September 25, 2025 • 14 mins
On the Thursday September 25, 2025 edition of The Armstrong & Getty One More Thing Podcast...
- The sounds of folks coming out of anesthesia...
- Joe brings us a Free Press article on one women's extreme alcoholism--and how she beat it!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I like to exploit family members for laughs. It's one
more thing I'm strong and getty, one more thing before
we get to that. I was just going to throw
this out. I just saw an ad for one of these,
so it made me think of it. The Kindle Kindle
paper White. I bought one of the latest Kindles. I
had had one many many years ago, but I hadn't
(00:22):
had the new modern one where it looks like paper.
It's like paper that's backlit. I don't know how they
did that, but I've been reading on my phone for
years and years now. I do all my reading on
my phone on download books. Reading on the phone, but
the bright light. I didn't even realize how tiring it
was until I went to the Kindle paper White. The
Kindle paper White backlit, I can read like I used
(00:44):
to be able to do with a book. Just keep
reading and keep reading and keep reading without getting tired.
It's way, way, way better way. So, if you're a
person who reads on electronic advice device not advice, I'm
giving you advice, I highly recommend the Kindle. It is
it's much better the paper white.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I couldn't tell whether you're saying that or paper weight
with a British accent.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
It's a pipe.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Why look at it Australia now. But all right, I'm
a knook command myself. But I'll have to look into
the advanced Okay, the nuke might be the same.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
It's more just glowey screeny. But I don't have the device.
I just use the app on my iPad.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Oh okay, yeah, the the Kindle paper white thing. It
makes it look like paper. I don't know how they
did that. It doesn't look like you're looking at a screen.
It looks like you're looking at a page on a book.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
And it's just completely different on the eyes.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
But AnyWho, Yes, I can't believe you read on your phone,
Like books on your phone's amazing.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I've read hundreds of books on my phone.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
That's amazing to me. I could I don't. I have trouble.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Like I'll find an article I'm interested in and I
will email it to myself and pull up on my computer.
Because for some reason on my phone, like notifications come
up and I get distracted.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah, too much scrolling, my thumbs get tired.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I just like that. I always have it with me,
that's the thing I liked about it. I always have
it with me, so if I'm in line for two minutes,
I read for two minutes. Any who, can you set
this up for us? Katie? What are we about to hear?
Speaker 4 (02:16):
There's this trend going around the internet where people have
some form of a medical procedure done and as they're
coming out of anesthesia, people film them and.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
In they in theory, the people closest to you, who
care most about you, the first thing on their mind
is how can I exploit this for clicks and laughs
on the internet? Right?
Speaker 5 (02:34):
And these people just say the darnedest of things.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Okay, so these are people coming out of anesthesia.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Are you rich? I'm a nurse, definitely not rich, Sugar Addie.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Do you have a boyfriend?
Speaker 3 (02:47):
No, I don't have.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Nobody loves me.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
My wife she'll get upset if she sees you touching
me like that on my chest.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Everyone, I'm gonna go out.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
I'm just gonna it.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Look it's like a laser.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
You know, if he wanted to, you can just act.
Don't film your loved ones coming out of anesthesia. But
it's funny. I have never talked about this on the air,
and I don't know the actual story. I just have
a feeling. It's like, uh so, the most under anesthesia
(03:29):
I've ever been in my life is uh when they
did one of the things when I had cancer and
to go into me and do a bunch of awful
things and they put me under and the whole day
is a bit of a blur. But I think I
said something I shouldn't have said to some woman. Oh
(03:51):
just just based on the way she reacted the next
time I saw her, and she even said something along
the lines and I can't quite remember because this is
ten years ago, something along the lines, Yeah, if we
have to do that again, I'm gonna have someone else
do it. Just kind of joke like like like she
was joking like you, like she thought I remembered, but
I didn't. And I just kind of smiled. And I've
(04:12):
always thought, I wonder what I did or said.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
That's dumb on her part.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
If she she's in the medical field and she's gonna
hold something you said under anesthesia against you, that's dumb.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yeah, you're right and sucky.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
That's a decent point right there. I mean, oh no,
you can't be held responsible for that at all. I
felt guilty about it for ten years. That makes me
mad at her because just honest, just her body language.
Because I had I'd been working with her for months
on the medical stuff and seeing her a couple times
(04:45):
a week and everything like that. Everything changed our relationship
after that.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
She's in the wrong field.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
So I don't know what I said to her.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
You've never confronted her about it.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
No, I don't want to know.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Kind of if we should, Let's get her on right now.
So strung you get it, whack it, follow up call,
do it.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
I wonder.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I wonder if it was just so prolonged and graphic.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Or they had to restrain me. I have no idea.
A little handsy, I took my pants off. I have
no idea what happened. Wow.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
I still think that's really dumb.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
But that's a good point. I mean, yeah, you're you're
so my id ran. While I can't help what my
ID did.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Right right, your super ego was still under.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
One of my favorite of the waking up from anesthesia
videos is it's this woman and she's coming out of
whatever she was going through and she looks over and
her husband standing there, and she did not recognize him
at all, and she goes, oh, you're really cute, but
I'm married, and he was like, oh you are. That's
and he played into it, and then at the end
(05:59):
of it he goes, well I am your husband, and
she starts happy cry.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
She's like, really, I.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Grab that's so sweet. It is sweet. I'm glad it
didn't go to the other direction.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
You've got to be kidding.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
No, I would never marry, so I chose, you know,
was I desperate?
Speaker 1 (06:20):
What happened?
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Thank God it didn't go that way.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Kid. Yeah, So I found this interesting, speaking of being
intoxicated or altered. It's in the Fabulous Free Press by
a woman by the name of Katie Herzog. She's talking
about the fact that she was a chronic drinker alcoholic
for twenty years.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
We're talking ten to twelve drinks a day, every day,
ten to twelve a day. Not a big gal either.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Yeah, that's getting after it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
And she said, short of rehab, I tried all the
usual treatments to get better, and a few less usual ones. Alcohol, anonymous,
cognitive behavioral therapy, individual counseling, group counseling, yoga, cleanses, white
knuckling it through cravings, and shakes. At one point I
tried swapping out my drinking habit for a cannabis one,
which no drug counselor would recommend, but was less dangerous.
(07:14):
The worst thing that happened to me on weed was
accidentally inhaling old bong water and everything.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Most of the things.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Worked, at least for a little while, but even when
I wasn't drinking, the obsession with drinking was still there.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
She says.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I marked sober days on my calendar as though I
were in prison, counting down each one until eventual relapse,
which she says she was kind of secretly hoping for.
And then man, she was in terrible, terrible shape after
she'd relapsed, just crippling hangovers and like abdominal pain, probably
(07:47):
from a liver. And and before I get to the
uplifting and really interesting scientific part, here's like the sad,
sad moment.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
She says.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
At some point I realized I was the last one
at the party. There so long, the parley party slowly
withered away, as my drinking buddies got careers or kids
or cancer. I was alone with my bottle and miserable
for it. So anyway, she mentions she had read about
was she at that time?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Do I have any idea?
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Oh god, yeah, a late thirties, maybe early forties. But
then she talks about how AA came to be the
standard treatment of alcohol use disorder in the US. But
she read about another treatment that had been developed in Finland,
the Sinclair method.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Have you ever heard of this?
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Curious because you know a lot about this stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
All you do, she wrote, is take a dose of
the opioid blocker now trek zone, wait an hour, then drink.
This has been shown, she said, to reduce both cravings
and consumption. Some people use this method to drink normally moderately.
Others get entirely sober. Though it's long and so it's
a way that you can drink. I that's interesting, yes,
(09:01):
whether it's on your way to sobriety or just moderation
or whatever. But the point of it is you get
all the physical effects of alcohol slurred speech, drowsiness, last last,
loss of coordination, hangover, et cetera, without the buzz.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I take the FA out of it drug.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Precisely, this drug cancels your ability to feel any sort
of buzz.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
A lot, a lot of people are doing this on
their own.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
You have to get a doctor who's who says, wow, okay,
I get it, that makes sense, or is familiar with
this treatment.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
But it's not like super well known or approved.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
There are a few private Facebook groups with thousands of
members and and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Well, I have two comments on that. When whatever works
for you works for you, try whatever you again if
it works good. Two comments on that though. One it
kind of reminds me of my I can't taste sweet.
I lost my ability to taste sweet because of COVID
and almost everybody's reactions. Oh I wish that would happen
to me. I eat more sweets than I ever ate
(10:09):
my life because I can't taste sweet. So I just
think I wonder how that factors in the fact that
you you're taking the drink, probably because you want the buzz,
but you're not getting it. So I wonder what that
does do you, if it makes you want other things
or whatever. I don't have any idea. And then I
also know the problem with that because the what is
(10:30):
that an abuse? They're the thing you can take that
makes you throw up if you drink.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Now, that's what I was just thinking of.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yeah, because I've known people who tried that. The problem
with it is, at some point you decide you want
to drink. See, don't take it. So at some point
these people maybe they would. You think I want the buzz,
So I'm not going to take that thing that keeps
me from not getting the.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Buzz now, right, She just what she says, is it
in a way that nothing else did just ended the
craving for now? That's interesting, like for years, And she's
been sober for a long time now and hangs around
people who are drinking and it's fine, and she just
has no desire to drink. And again, I don't I'm
(11:10):
not claiming that this is a universal cure.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
All I saw the cover of a book somewhere. Yeah,
drink your way sober. Yes, the brain is so freaking complicated.
This is what I always say on this topic. I'm
stunned with all the addicts we've got laying around on
the street that we haven't gotten further down the road
of figuring this out. Now, I'll tell you what doesn't work. Rehabs.
(11:36):
They are they're like practically useless. But it's everybody's first
choice to throw money at best PR.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Two results ratio in the history of mankind might be.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yeah, well, this lady's thing works.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
I have a question about that antibius stuff, Jack. I
don't know how much you know about it, But is
it something that you take on like a daily basis
and build up a tolerance with it or do you
just take it prior to drink? Because I had a
friend that tried this and she would just take it
prior to thinking she might drink.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah. I think it's just prior to I don't know,
I don't remember. I knew somebody that tried it, and
their thing was sometimes they drank because they wanted to
drink so bad, and then they violently threw up. Yeah,
and then other times I think I want to drink today,
so I'm not going to take my awn abuse pill today, right.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I remember years and years ago you were talking about
this this sort of topic. In Correct me or edit
me if I'm off. But it's said in the recovery
community that you're trying to fix your brain with your brain. Yeah,
and that's a very challenging.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Thing to obviously.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, And the point of this, semi obviously is that
the positive feedback slowly just goes away because you don't
get it. You got to be motivated enough to do
it over longer and long enough period that your brain saying.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Oh, this will be great, this will be great, this
will be great. It just goes away.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
And that's what reminded me of the sweets thing, though
I was I've been hoping that would happen with the sweets.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Maybe it treats whatever you get out of drugs and
alcohol escape differently than sweet, But I kept thinking, doesn't
my brain at some point realize you don't get any
benefit from the donut so craving sweets.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
I wonder if it has something to do with the
discovery that like diet, soda and artificial sweeteners don't do
you any good really, because your body still has an
innate lust desire need for something sweet, which is probably
four hundred thousand years old, having to do with needing
to get a certain amount of fruit or whatever, probably,
(13:42):
And so your animal brain is craving that in a
way it doesn't crave forgetting about my problems for an
hour while I watch music videos on YouTube describing a
friend's evening, not mine.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
I wish I craved vegetables the way I crave sweets.
Wouldn't that be awesome. I've never craved a vegetable in
my life, but a constantly.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Sure go for some broccoli right about.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Constantly crave sweets. And I can't satisfy the at least
the taste of it because I can't taste it.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah, anyway, the book once again is called Drink Yourself Sober,
which is obviously kind of a clever and counterintuitive title
to grab your attention.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I hope it works. That would be great for everyone
if it works. There is a famous story of a
woman who wrote a book about moderation or something that
got pretty famous for a while, and she ended up
dying in a drunk driving crash when she drank again. Soe,
So I hope it works.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
And you know, and even if it works for I
don't know, twenty percent of people, ten percent, that's better
than none.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
It'd be much higher than rehabs.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Yeah, well, I guess that's it.
I like to exploit family members for laughs. It's one
more thing I'm strong and getty, one more thing before
we get to that. I was just going to throw
this out. I just saw an ad for one of these,
so it made me think of it. The Kindle Kindle
paper White. I bought one of the latest Kindles. I
had had one many many years ago, but I hadn't
(00:22):
had the new modern one where it looks like paper.
It's like paper that's backlit. I don't know how they
did that, but I've been reading on my phone for
years and years now. I do all my reading on
my phone on download books. Reading on the phone, but
the bright light. I didn't even realize how tiring it
was until I went to the Kindle paper White. The
Kindle paper White backlit, I can read like I used
(00:44):
to be able to do with a book. Just keep
reading and keep reading and keep reading without getting tired.
It's way, way, way better way. So, if you're a
person who reads on electronic advice device not advice, I'm
giving you advice, I highly recommend the Kindle. It is
it's much better the paper white.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I couldn't tell whether you're saying that or paper weight
with a British accent.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
It's a pipe.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Why look at it Australia now. But all right, I'm
a knook command myself. But I'll have to look into
the advanced Okay, the nuke might be the same.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
It's more just glowey screeny. But I don't have the device.
I just use the app on my iPad.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Oh okay, yeah, the the Kindle paper white thing. It
makes it look like paper. I don't know how they
did that. It doesn't look like you're looking at a screen.
It looks like you're looking at a page on a book.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
And it's just completely different on the eyes.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
But AnyWho, Yes, I can't believe you read on your phone,
Like books on your phone's amazing.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I've read hundreds of books on my phone.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
That's amazing to me. I could I don't. I have trouble.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Like I'll find an article I'm interested in and I
will email it to myself and pull up on my computer.
Because for some reason on my phone, like notifications come
up and I get distracted.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah, too much scrolling, my thumbs get tired.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I just like that. I always have it with me,
that's the thing I liked about it. I always have
it with me, so if I'm in line for two minutes,
I read for two minutes. Any who, can you set
this up for us? Katie? What are we about to hear?
Speaker 4 (02:16):
There's this trend going around the internet where people have
some form of a medical procedure done and as they're
coming out of anesthesia, people film them and.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
In they in theory, the people closest to you, who
care most about you, the first thing on their mind
is how can I exploit this for clicks and laughs
on the internet? Right?
Speaker 5 (02:34):
And these people just say the darnedest of things.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Okay, so these are people coming out of anesthesia.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Are you rich? I'm a nurse, definitely not rich, Sugar Addie.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Do you have a boyfriend?
Speaker 3 (02:47):
No, I don't have.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Nobody loves me.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
My wife she'll get upset if she sees you touching
me like that on my chest.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Everyone, I'm gonna go out.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
I'm just gonna it.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Look it's like a laser.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
You know, if he wanted to, you can just act.
Don't film your loved ones coming out of anesthesia. But
it's funny. I have never talked about this on the air,
and I don't know the actual story. I just have
a feeling. It's like, uh so, the most under anesthesia
(03:29):
I've ever been in my life is uh when they
did one of the things when I had cancer and
to go into me and do a bunch of awful
things and they put me under and the whole day
is a bit of a blur. But I think I
said something I shouldn't have said to some woman. Oh
(03:51):
just just based on the way she reacted the next
time I saw her, and she even said something along
the lines and I can't quite remember because this is
ten years ago, something along the lines, Yeah, if we
have to do that again, I'm gonna have someone else
do it. Just kind of joke like like like she
was joking like you, like she thought I remembered, but
I didn't. And I just kind of smiled. And I've
(04:12):
always thought, I wonder what I did or said.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
That's dumb on her part.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
If she she's in the medical field and she's gonna
hold something you said under anesthesia against you, that's dumb.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yeah, you're right and sucky.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
That's a decent point right there. I mean, oh no,
you can't be held responsible for that at all. I
felt guilty about it for ten years. That makes me
mad at her because just honest, just her body language.
Because I had I'd been working with her for months
on the medical stuff and seeing her a couple times
(04:45):
a week and everything like that. Everything changed our relationship
after that.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
She's in the wrong field.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
So I don't know what I said to her.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
You've never confronted her about it.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
No, I don't want to know.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Kind of if we should, Let's get her on right now.
So strung you get it, whack it, follow up call,
do it.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
I wonder.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I wonder if it was just so prolonged and graphic.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Or they had to restrain me. I have no idea.
A little handsy, I took my pants off. I have
no idea what happened. Wow.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
I still think that's really dumb.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
But that's a good point. I mean, yeah, you're you're
so my id ran. While I can't help what my
ID did.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Right right, your super ego was still under.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
One of my favorite of the waking up from anesthesia
videos is it's this woman and she's coming out of
whatever she was going through and she looks over and
her husband standing there, and she did not recognize him
at all, and she goes, oh, you're really cute, but
I'm married, and he was like, oh you are. That's
and he played into it, and then at the end
(05:59):
of it he goes, well I am your husband, and
she starts happy cry.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
She's like, really, I.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Grab that's so sweet. It is sweet. I'm glad it
didn't go to the other direction.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
You've got to be kidding.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
No, I would never marry, so I chose, you know,
was I desperate?
Speaker 1 (06:20):
What happened?
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Thank God it didn't go that way.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Kid. Yeah, So I found this interesting, speaking of being
intoxicated or altered. It's in the Fabulous Free Press by
a woman by the name of Katie Herzog. She's talking
about the fact that she was a chronic drinker alcoholic
for twenty years.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
We're talking ten to twelve drinks a day, every day,
ten to twelve a day. Not a big gal either.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Yeah, that's getting after it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
And she said, short of rehab, I tried all the
usual treatments to get better, and a few less usual ones. Alcohol, anonymous,
cognitive behavioral therapy, individual counseling, group counseling, yoga, cleanses, white
knuckling it through cravings, and shakes. At one point I
tried swapping out my drinking habit for a cannabis one,
which no drug counselor would recommend, but was less dangerous.
(07:14):
The worst thing that happened to me on weed was
accidentally inhaling old bong water and everything.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Most of the things.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Worked, at least for a little while, but even when
I wasn't drinking, the obsession with drinking was still there.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
She says.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I marked sober days on my calendar as though I
were in prison, counting down each one until eventual relapse,
which she says she was kind of secretly hoping for.
And then man, she was in terrible, terrible shape after
she'd relapsed, just crippling hangovers and like abdominal pain, probably
(07:47):
from a liver. And and before I get to the
uplifting and really interesting scientific part, here's like the sad,
sad moment.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
She says.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
At some point I realized I was the last one
at the party. There so long, the parley party slowly
withered away, as my drinking buddies got careers or kids
or cancer. I was alone with my bottle and miserable
for it. So anyway, she mentions she had read about
was she at that time?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Do I have any idea?
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Oh god, yeah, a late thirties, maybe early forties. But
then she talks about how AA came to be the
standard treatment of alcohol use disorder in the US. But
she read about another treatment that had been developed in Finland,
the Sinclair method.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Have you ever heard of this?
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Curious because you know a lot about this stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
All you do, she wrote, is take a dose of
the opioid blocker now trek zone, wait an hour, then drink.
This has been shown, she said, to reduce both cravings
and consumption. Some people use this method to drink normally moderately.
Others get entirely sober. Though it's long and so it's
a way that you can drink. I that's interesting, yes,
(09:01):
whether it's on your way to sobriety or just moderation
or whatever. But the point of it is you get
all the physical effects of alcohol slurred speech, drowsiness, last last,
loss of coordination, hangover, et cetera, without the buzz.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I take the FA out of it drug.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Precisely, this drug cancels your ability to feel any sort
of buzz.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
A lot, a lot of people are doing this on
their own.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
You have to get a doctor who's who says, wow, okay,
I get it, that makes sense, or is familiar with
this treatment.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
But it's not like super well known or approved.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
There are a few private Facebook groups with thousands of
members and and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Well, I have two comments on that. When whatever works
for you works for you, try whatever you again if
it works good. Two comments on that though. One it
kind of reminds me of my I can't taste sweet.
I lost my ability to taste sweet because of COVID
and almost everybody's reactions. Oh I wish that would happen
to me. I eat more sweets than I ever ate
(10:09):
my life because I can't taste sweet. So I just
think I wonder how that factors in the fact that
you you're taking the drink, probably because you want the buzz,
but you're not getting it. So I wonder what that
does do you, if it makes you want other things
or whatever. I don't have any idea. And then I
also know the problem with that because the what is
(10:30):
that an abuse? They're the thing you can take that
makes you throw up if you drink.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Now, that's what I was just thinking of.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yeah, because I've known people who tried that. The problem
with it is, at some point you decide you want
to drink. See, don't take it. So at some point
these people maybe they would. You think I want the buzz,
So I'm not going to take that thing that keeps
me from not getting the.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Buzz now, right, She just what she says, is it
in a way that nothing else did just ended the
craving for now? That's interesting, like for years, And she's
been sober for a long time now and hangs around
people who are drinking and it's fine, and she just
has no desire to drink. And again, I don't I'm
(11:10):
not claiming that this is a universal cure.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
All I saw the cover of a book somewhere. Yeah,
drink your way sober. Yes, the brain is so freaking complicated.
This is what I always say on this topic. I'm
stunned with all the addicts we've got laying around on
the street that we haven't gotten further down the road
of figuring this out. Now, I'll tell you what doesn't work. Rehabs.
(11:36):
They are they're like practically useless. But it's everybody's first
choice to throw money at best PR.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Two results ratio in the history of mankind might be.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yeah, well, this lady's thing works.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
I have a question about that antibius stuff, Jack. I
don't know how much you know about it, But is
it something that you take on like a daily basis
and build up a tolerance with it or do you
just take it prior to drink? Because I had a
friend that tried this and she would just take it
prior to thinking she might drink.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah. I think it's just prior to I don't know,
I don't remember. I knew somebody that tried it, and
their thing was sometimes they drank because they wanted to
drink so bad, and then they violently threw up. Yeah,
and then other times I think I want to drink today,
so I'm not going to take my awn abuse pill today, right.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I remember years and years ago you were talking about
this this sort of topic. In Correct me or edit
me if I'm off. But it's said in the recovery
community that you're trying to fix your brain with your brain. Yeah,
and that's a very challenging.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Thing to obviously.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, And the point of this, semi obviously is that
the positive feedback slowly just goes away because you don't
get it. You got to be motivated enough to do
it over longer and long enough period that your brain saying.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Oh, this will be great, this will be great, this
will be great. It just goes away.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
And that's what reminded me of the sweets thing, though
I was I've been hoping that would happen with the sweets.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Maybe it treats whatever you get out of drugs and
alcohol escape differently than sweet, But I kept thinking, doesn't
my brain at some point realize you don't get any
benefit from the donut so craving sweets.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
I wonder if it has something to do with the
discovery that like diet, soda and artificial sweeteners don't do
you any good really, because your body still has an
innate lust desire need for something sweet, which is probably
four hundred thousand years old, having to do with needing
to get a certain amount of fruit or whatever, probably,
(13:42):
And so your animal brain is craving that in a
way it doesn't crave forgetting about my problems for an
hour while I watch music videos on YouTube describing a
friend's evening, not mine.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
I wish I craved vegetables the way I crave sweets.
Wouldn't that be awesome. I've never craved a vegetable in
my life, but a constantly.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Sure go for some broccoli right about.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Constantly crave sweets. And I can't satisfy the at least
the taste of it because I can't taste it.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah, anyway, the book once again is called Drink Yourself Sober,
which is obviously kind of a clever and counterintuitive title
to grab your attention.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I hope it works. That would be great for everyone
if it works. There is a famous story of a
woman who wrote a book about moderation or something that
got pretty famous for a while, and she ended up
dying in a drunk driving crash when she drank again. Soe,
So I hope it works.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
And you know, and even if it works for I
don't know, twenty percent of people, ten percent, that's better
than none.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
It'd be much higher than rehabs.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Yeah, well, I guess that's it.
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