July 15, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 4 of A&G features...
- Conspiracy theories!
- Stevie Wonder story
- Epstein talk during Turning Points event
- Final Thoughts!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Ketty arm Strong
and Jetty and now he Armstrong and Getty. So here's
two couple of things real quick before we get to
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the meat. One newsworthy breaking news today, Trump talked to
Zelenski about weapons to fire into Moscow and Saint Petersburg.
Maybe we'll get to a little more of that later,
but that seems like a pretty big development. This story
not important. Stevie Wonder addresses the rumors that he's not blind.
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I didn't realize that. Shaquille O'Neill A couple of years ago,
says Stevie Wonder got on an elevator with him and said, Hey, Shack,
what's up, big dog. I'm a big fan, pressed the
button on the elevator, got up out of the elevator,
walked to his room shacks as he called everybody he
knew that night, tell them.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Wow, wait a minute, I mean, I guess I'll stay tuned,
But is it possible Stevie Wonder is just like mildly nearsighted.
Somebody thought, yeah, he's a musical genius. Teenager but we
need a.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Little better hook. Let's see, that's a funny Shack story.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, I'd love to hear him telling it too in
that shack voice, so in a non coincidence.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
But now I'll just dive into it.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
We've been talking a fair amount about the Jeffrey Epstein thing,
and there are all sorts of opinions from really interesting
sources on what the truth is, what it might be,
whether it should be revealed, if there's anything there, just
it's it's got a just a.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Life of its own.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I want to talk about conspiracy theories and why they're
so healing. Here's the caveat though, there are beyond question
looney Tunes conspiracy theories, rabbit holes of the QAnon sort
that are, to me indisputably conspiracy theories, and they're often
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used to profit from people who tend to fall for
this sort of stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
On the other.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Hand, there is a tendency among certain groups of people
to call everything that questions power a conspiracy theory, even
though A the theory is correct and b there is
a conspiracy people acting together for an illegal or unsavory goal.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
That's what a conspiracy is. So I try to be
careful about what I call a conspiracy theory. Yeah, I
remember when this progressive friend of mine hit me with
the C word, I think for the first time in
my life, when I brought up the idea that China
was involved in helping getting fentanyl or whatever it takes
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to make fentanyl into Mexico and then it getting across
the border. Wow, that's some conspiracy you believe in. No,
it's it's a thing, that's it's documentable. I remember the
idea that the COVID virus leaked from the Wuhin lab
was aggressively labeled a conspiracy theory, not only by the
medical establishment and then Fauci and Collins and all of
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those berks. The Scarf Lady, but like the entirety of
the media said that was a ludicrous and racist conspiracy theory.
So hey, my caveat is, watch what you call a
conspiracy theory.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Having said that, here's why they're so appealing. It's a
handful of different psychological truths. And I was reminded that
I had this in my back pocket. By are discussing
the witches of Etsy and these people who paid thirteen
dollars for a squall a spell on Etsy and got
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a job offer three days later and attribute it to
the Witch. Three main items. Number one a need for
understanding and control. It explains the unexplained. Conspiracy theories often
provide a clear, if even if often unfounded, explanation for
events that are confusing, frightening, or seem random, and they
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offer a sense of control by suggesting that powerful groups
are orchestrating events rather than random chaos or just the
sort of greed and dishonesty that humans always engage in.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yeah, random chaos or my example is always we Apparently
a lot of us can't handle the idea of like
one bad guy doing something, or a couple bad guys,
like you know, the the assassination of Trump. It can't
just be one nut job change world history. That can't be.
That's too frightening to deal with. So it's got to
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be some giant conspiracy or even nine to eleven. It
can't just be twenty Muslim fanatic nut jobs hijack and plane.
It's got to be a much bigger inside something or other. Right,
get by to the realms and reams of evidence. Right,
I guess that makes some of us feel better. Well,
And the other thing is, and I maybe jumping the
gun on this, but if there is an identifiable evil
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doer or group, you can do something about it. Hmmm.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
If it's just the sort of greed, imperfection, complacency, stupidity, perversion,
et cetera that humans have all the time and always will,
you can't defeat that. You can work against it and
try to limit it, protect individuals and the folks in
your town or members of your church or whatever, but
you can't, like Jeffrey Epstein down and end child sex trafficking.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
And that's hard for people to take.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
And I'm not saying necessarily everything about Epstein's a quote
unquote conspiracy theory, like I said earlier anyway, Also, and
here's how the witches of Vetsy reminded me of this
pattern recognition. Humans are wired to seek patterns, and conspiracy
theories can fulfill this need. Even if the patterns are illusory.
You're connecting dots that shouldn't be connected. They're just they're
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both true, but they have nothing to do with each other.
Psychological benefits of conspiracy theories. Believing in a conspiracy theory
can make individuals feel special, knowledgeable, and part of an
exclusive group. With privileged access to the truth. It boosts
yourself esteem.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
I've known a couple of people that they did their
lives were not going very well and they were into that,
and I think it was you know, it's a save
for that sort of thing. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Well, and in related topics, social bond theories can create
a sense of belonging and solidarity community among those who
share the belief reinforcing social bonds.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
It feels good to be part of a team.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Rationalizing belief It can help folks rationalize their existing beliefs
and behaviors, even though when those beliefs are unsupported by evidence,
and it can reduce anxiety In some cases, Conspiracy theories
can provide a sense of closure and reduce anxiety by
offering a seemingly logical explanation for events and as I
said before, a possibility of doing something about it.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Yeah, that does ease anxiety. And that like if just
a random nut job in any town in America could
change world history by killing a president, that's hard to
take versus you know, major forces involved.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Social and cultural pulls of conspiracy theories. It can be
fueled by a general distrust of institutions, governments, or established narratives.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, well I've got plenty of that.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Oh yeah, perfectly legitimate in a hell of a lot
of cases, not only legitimate, but like admirable and desirable.
We need our founding. Papa's told us question power constantly.
That's not a bad thing, doctor Fauci.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I'm trying to think if there are any conspiracy theories
that I'm like at least open to, or do.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
You have any that you're I'd have to think about it,
but yeah, I'm sure, Yeah, I don't know if I do.
I mean there's some I reject outright with a loud guffaw,
including like nine to eleven or the moon landing or whatever.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Flat Earth. Yeah, there's no such thing as birds or
all CIA drones. Yes, Michael sports, No, I believe that one. Sports.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Yeah, referees a conspiracies all the time, whether it's the
NBA or NFL.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
You think you buy into that, oh, Jack, you say that, Yeah,
the league wants New York in LA to play, So
there go the calls against Indiana or whatever. I think
that's just true. There you go, all right, So that
one distrust because there's too much money on the line.
But I could be wrong. There you go.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Distrust of authority is healthy, as we were saying, you know,
to some extent, confirmation bias. Here's where they well. People
are more likely to seek out and believe information that
confirms their existing beliefs, even if the information is false,
and you feed people that over and over again to
keep them coming back to your site or your podcast
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Social influence.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Conspiracy theories can spread through social network, especially when shared
among friends, family, or online communities.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I feel like I feel like I've got one, but
I just can't quite I'll think of it well, and
some people aren't as good at critical thinking than others.
Some individuals struggle to critically evaluate information and distinguish between
credible sources and not credible sources, solid information and misinformation.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Of course, again, you have the authorities, which we've agreed
we should count, we should question, spent years telling you
that absolute truths were misinformation. So I understand it's hard
to talk people out of quote unquote conspiracy theories because
you know, in recent history there's been monumental dishonesty by
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the authorities. Also, susceptibility to misinformation can make some folks
more vulnerable to accepting conspiracy theories without proper scrutiny. So
in some way, the appeal of conspiracy theories is accombination
of psychological needs, social factors, cognitive biases.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I have three children that I raised. I love them
all very very much. They're very different than each other.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
One of my kids is very, very susceptible to scams,
and we've worked very hard on beefing up the skill
set of identifying them and resisting them for various social side, ecological,
neurological reasons. I have another kid who I gotta believe
could not be scammed if the world's greatest scammer were
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to spend five years trying. The children from the same parents,
raised in the same household. So I you know, the
longer I live and the more I see believe it
or not if you listen to the show, the less
judgmental I get about personal characteristics.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Were born with a hell of a lot of them. Yeah,
we are, and to me, I'll hear.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Like the QAnon thing, we had a couple of listeners
who were absolutely adamant about it.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
They explained it to me.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
They showed me the websites, the links, the predictions, and
said just wait and so I did, and I waited,
and I checked back, and I saw a couple of
things kind of happening, and certain things clearly not happening,
but then the explanation of why they didn't happen, and
how that's proof that blah blah blah. And I'm not bragging,
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but I'm very good at identifying bullless. And I thought,
that's bullspit. And I can tell you exactly what kind
of bullspit it is. It's circular logic and explaining away
being wrong by saying you're right because of this that
no I can tell when I'm being led down the
garden path.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
And I was like, this stuff is a joke. But
some people that don't have that. It's like being able
to run fast or shoot a basketball.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
It's just a reality of humankind and the Internet has
fed it, just mountains of steroids, whatever tendencies exist.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Well, we'll do a little Epstein coming up later this hour.
I mean, there's a chunk of the MAGA crowd that's
really really into this. But a poll just came out,
like just moments ago. It's more Democrats than Republicans by
far that think the Epstein thing is being hidden. So
that kind of flies in the face of everything I've
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been told on left because Fox isn't talking about Epstein,
MSNBC and CNN are endlessly talking about Emstein.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah, just the right wingy internet is. But that's because
Fox is mainstream and they're trying to protect right.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
They're in on it right. Anyways, we got more on
that later, not next to here. So Stevie Wonders musician
whos heyday was in the sixties and seventies. Really, I
guess he had some hits in the eighties anyway. Yeah,
and he's beloved till today. I mean, he's a legend.
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And he was a child prodigy. He was one of
those little kids that could dance and sing and play
any instrument as a child and was blind, which you know,
added to the story obviously.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
By the way, in a song that some heard but
we can't feature on the podcast because of licensing laws,
Stevie is playing the clavinet, bassline and playing the drums
on that song and it's one of the greatest grooves
in the history of pop music. Guy, insane musicians, just fabulous.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
So there's there's been this rumor slash joke going around
for years this TV. Wonder isn't actually blind, and he's
played into the joke for decades for whatever reason. And
he's been on Colbert and Jimmy Fallon and Kimmel talking
about it, and they make jokes and he makes jokes
and all that sort of stuff. And I just told
you the story. Shack claims Stevie Wonder recognized him on
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an elevator, pressed the button, got off the elevator, and
walked to his room. So I don't know if Shaq's
just playing along too, or you know, everybody gets the
joke anyway. Stevie Wonder did in an interview, although he
doesn't get to. He doesn't say at any point in
this particular interview that he's completely blind, because you can be.
The term legally blind is a thing where you can't
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see enough to whether drive or just all kinds of
different things, but you see light and dark in colors.
Maybe there's all kinds of levels of blind, including completely blind.
He doesn't get into that, so I don't I wonder
if maybe he's got some sight, doesn't matter. He said
he he went blind shortly after was born, and his
mom was very upset and cried every night for a
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very long time un till he finally convinced her to
stop and told her that God must have some other
plan for him. And then you know, he got into
music and all that whole sort of thing happened. But
he said he developed something and I'd never heard this before,
and he said, blind people regularly to develop this thing
called spatial radar. He said, if you close your eyes
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and put your hands in front of you and then
talk and then remove your hands, it'll sound different. Yeah,
because of the way sound bounces off of things. And
he said, in that way, you can recognize where like
walls are indoors and stuff like that by just hearing
sounds that the steps your your footsteps bouncing off loss.
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I suppose you do good. You know, you lose one
sense in your other senses increase. That's well known.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Oh yeah, one hundred percent believe that that absolutely, you know,
coincides everything I've ever learned about audio production. And you know,
just even doing this job, you can't you can't be
in a live room with a lot of reflective surfaces.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
You can hear it, but that would explain some things
that you see him or maybe other blind people do
that you think wait a second, you're not blind, no,
because they picked up their footsteps off of that door
or wall in a way that you don't, or they're
tuned into it.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Hence the tapping of a cane as well. Oh, I'm
just feeling your way. It's like echo location. Interesting from
what we are our next neighbor was blind for a
couple of years. Judy and I lived in beautiful Salina, Kansas,
and she explained some of this stuff to me ages ago.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
They were your neighbor for a couple of years, or
they were blind for a couple of years.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
For the they were blind for quite some time. From
what I understand, they were our neighbor for about a year,
I guess.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
And if Elon could stop doing politics, his neurallink might
solve that problem for everybody who's blind. And they're certainly
working on that one. That'd be an amazing miracle if
that can ever happen. Action some people at this MAGA
convention about Epstein is something, and then some new polling
that's out about it. And I still don't completely get
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the fascination with this story. It concerns me zero, but
some of you it really does. So stay tuned Armstrong
and Getty.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Honestly, I'm done talking about Epstein for the time being.
I'm gonna trust my friends the administration. I'm gonna trust
my friends in the government to do what needs to
be done, solve it. Balls in their hands. I've said
plenty of this last weekend.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
That's Charlie Kirk, who needs no introduction for some of you.
Some of you don't know who he is, but he's
a big deal in MAGA circles, and he had a
big event over the weekend with He's really big with
the younger crowd. Laura Ingram, who you probably do know
if you ever watch Fox or listen to the radio.
She was there at the Charlie Kirk event and kind
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of pulled the crowd about the Epstein topic.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
How many of you are satisfied you can clap satisfied
with the results of the Epstein investigation.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Clap? Okay, I told you to clap. You guys are listening.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
I'm not going to grade you want to curve, So
I was going to get to that, how many of
you are not satisfied with the results of the investment?
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Ah, that's fairly thunderous. Applause at that particular gathering.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Now.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I was watching Mark Halprin's video cast the other day
and his group of people. He's a reporter and he
his sense from that and other polling and just anecdotally
is that it's really big with the young magabass, the
Epstein thing. I'm not exactly sure why. Maybe it's just
because it's almost entirely an online creation. In my mind,
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it's a conspiracy and it's not true most of the
things that people think, and that's almost entirely online. Okay, well,
I gotta stop you. We got to come up with
a different term. Okay, you believe it's a conspiracy, you
mean like a false conspiracy theory. Yeah, oh, I don't
think it's true. I don't think there are I don't
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think the Democratic Party in Hollywood are involved in hundreds
of thousands of children being trafficked for sex.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I don't believe that. I was just hammering the notion
that everybody calls everything a conspiracy theory.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
What term would you like? I don't care what we
call it, but that that thing, I don't believe it's
true at all. And if you know about it at all,
it's because you're online and young people are way online
and older people. That might explain the entirety of why
it's really big for the young magabas as approached to
the older magabase. My parents are maga. They wouldn't come
across this. They aren't on Twitter never. They are on
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TikTok and Instagram never. But if you're young, you're always
on that and you come across this all the time.
And as you heard the eruption from the crowd there. Now,
the coverage is interesting on this in that CNN and
MSNBC I've been talking about it all day every day
in leading with it. Fox is covering it hardly at all,
which comes up on CNN yesterday played clip sixty seven
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for me Michael.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
Matthew Gertz from Media Matters notes that Fox News today
eighty five mentions of Biden, zero mentions of Epstein as
of four pm. According to Matthew Gertz, so I mean
people are taking orders.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
But here at CNN we're continuing to have this.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
Discussion because it is something that they promised that they
were going to.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Do, I mean taking orders. So he's presenting it as
Trump said, shut up about it, So Fox is shutting
up about it or CNN and MSNBC and everybody on
the left is hammering it because they think it's a
wedge to attack Republicans about. So who's taking what orders? About?
Speaker 3 (20:51):
What?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I mean? Is it because Jake Tapper or Morning Joe
on MSNBC. Are you just so damned interested in this
Epsteine story you believe it's true. Is that why you're
into it? Or is there a great way to attack
Republicans and there aren't a lot of great ways to
attack Republicans right now? Or Trump because things are going
as well, pretty well annoying the guys who obeyed marching
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orders constantly from the Biden administration and Anthony Fauci and
Francis Collins and the rest of that. Now, if your
goal is to point out, hey, Bongino and uh and
Pam Bondi and then Trump, Trump did not forcefully advocate
the Epstein thing like is being portrayed. At least I
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haven't heard it, but he he, he hinted at it
and certainly allowed his surrogates to talk about it without
squashing it. He definitely did that. But if you want
to talk about how they built this whole thing up,
convinced people there was there there like a ton of
they're there, and wait till January twentieth, two thousand and
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twenty five, when we get into office, it's all gonna
and then it turns out there's no If you want
to point that out, yeah, I get that, but you
kind of have I mean, I feel like that's been
is it all day? Every day? To explain that to us?
I thought this polling was interesting. See and CNN pull
out just an hour ago. Are you unhappy with the
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federal government's handling of the Epstein files? For Democrats it's
fifty six. For Republicans it's forty, So way more Democrats
unhappy with the government handling of Epstein than Republicans, which
kind of runs counter to.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
What Yeah, but in what way? It's like the right
track wrong track thing. Half the people saying wrong track
think it's too liberal, half think it's too conservative.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I suppose you might have a point there. As ABC
News reported the other day, hundreds hundreds, which it's got
to be at least two hundred to be hundreds FBI
agents were assigned the Epstein case. Were there really hot
undreds of FBI? What were they doing every day? I
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can't imagine, right, Yeah, that's really interesting that fact. I
would love to know more about that. I know people
personally couple two, but that actually thought January twentieth, twenty
twenty five, Finally, finally we're gonna nail these child predators
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who've been trafficking these hundreds of thousands of kids that
got the pandayes and everything. Have you been following online?
Hollywood and the Clintons and Michelle Obama who's actually a man,
and all of this there, it's all going to come
to an end, and they're quite disappointed that it hasn't.
And think Pam Bondi's in on it. Bondi's in on it.
Cash what's his name? Patel? Patel is in on it,
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the FBI director, and now Trump's compromise probably because of
the Jews Israt Bongino? Right? Yeah, So that's where we
are on this whole thing, whatever you believe. Yeah, it doesn't,
is it? Is it? Are we done with this cycle?
I mean Fox has been done with it for a while.
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Is mainstream media? The marching artiers? Well, there's nothing, there's
nothing to report. Oh, did we play Charlie Kirk the
Charlie Kirk whip? Yeah, that's what we played first. Yeah,
I couldn't.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Well, the fact that he said whatever he said, I'm
I'm I'm done with this until unless anything new happens.
I'm done with this. And at his event the crowd
was like, yes, we need more.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
So a handful of comments via email. Uh, how to
speak after hearing you talk about Epstein like he was
some savvy financial advisor. No, he infiltrated very powerful Jewish
political and businessmen. Yes, he was Jewish and most of
his money came from Jewish billionaires. Seriously, do some research.
These are not conspiracies. It's common knowledge. Look up Leon Block,
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Leslie Wexner, blah blah blah, very involved with politicians and
businessmen that were Jewish. Tucker is exactly right. There's a
different writer. He was handed without the experience of reputation
for finance the multi billion dollar portfolio of a man
named les Wexner. Wachner was a business tycoon with ties
to Israel. One other very interesting fact about Epstein is
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that at some point he was assigned a handler named
Julane Maxwell. Her father was Robert Maxwell, a media tycoon
who was a Masad agent and died under miss suspicious circumstances,
which was an alleged suicide. None of that matters the
legitimate concerns about the Epstein case or the lack of
investigation and prosecutions of the people involved. Pam Bondi and
Cash Betel have stayed in the thousands of hours of video.
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They have his child pornography, well, who produced the pornography
and who are the people sexually abusing the children? They
can't answer those questions.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
For virtually any time anybody gets caught with child porn,
people don't. There aren't credits at the end. Is it
actual child porn or is it under age eighteen porn?
Which is right, yeah, because we all know that he
was trafficking in under eighteen women for whatever weird psychological reasons.
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Some nut jobs have a thing for that. Right.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Here's another correspondent. What you failed to grasp about the
Epstein client list is that it's about human slavery and
those who perpetuate the practice through evil lust. Millions of
Americans want elitists on the list to pay for their crimes.
I can't think of a more practice more debaucherous than
the buying and selling of humans for sexual pleasure. Epstein
and Maxwell groomed and trafficked children around the world and
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transported them for political blackmail and personal profit. Please don't
dismiss the severity of the crimes. Independent journalists, she mentions,
one won't let go of the story because it rests
at the heart of what we're willing to accept culturally.
Do you want to send the message that if you're
rich and famous, you can be immune from prosecution. One
other person mentioned the Jews.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Again, there's zero hard evidence that any blackmailing occurred so
far that we know of. Reply the people, you need
to read this website or that book or whatever.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
I just.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Now how he got rich. I'll admit I haven't looked
into how he got rich. But even if he got
rich through I don't know, completely illegal, fraudulent ways. How
does that? How do you make the leap from that
to hundreds of thousands of children being trafficked by the Clintons.
The Jews are behind it. That's what a lot of
people think.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
It's just your clan ta, it's your classic anti Semitic
They're running everything in a secret cabal that's pulling all
the strings.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Blah blah blah. I feel like the Jews are behind
it was a late addition to this conspiracy or you
don't like the word conspiracy around this, but I feel
like the Jews are a late addition to this. I
remember that being part of it back in the day,
with Pizzagate and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Maybe all right, Yeah, I'm just I don't know. I'm
just kind of fatigued by all of it. Honestly, the
government's spending us into oblivion. For instance, Chinese is going
to take over the world.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah, there's that one too.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah, our education system is teaching your children communism as
we speak.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Okay, let's go with as a political matter? Is a
political matter? Is this a problem that so many of
the young voters Trump had feel like they were lied
to or Trump's in on the thing or whatever could
be in a close race Although this, well, I was
thinking maybe bigger, long term picture. I think it might
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just add to the overall cynicism that the Internet has
brought us, and we get closer and closer to nobody
believing anything ever from anyone. Right that is, I think
that's the inevitable endpoint of all of this with the Internet,
and AI will make it worse. Nobody believes anything. Ever,
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there's like no such thing as a gatekeeper news source,
and I don't know how society functions at that point.
It'll be interesting to watch briefly.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Because we're having no babies. Well, so it will function
one way or another, but not for long.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Because most voters are older, and the older crowd still
gets a lot of their news from the New York
Times and CBS News and places like that, but the
younger crowd gets zero of their news from those places zero.
And by younger I mean like forty and younger under
So when the older crowd that there are at least
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some gatekeepers, even as flawed as they are, those gatekeepers,
when that's all gone and everybody's just got their own website,
I don't even know what it's going to look like.
I don't even know how a politician will run, because
you'd be talking to an audience full of people that
all have their own narratives about the world. Right. Well, yeah,
(30:08):
I can't imagine. I have no idea. I will be
in the score in the woods watching the squirrels coport
if you need me. I think it's going to happen
fairly soon. The squirrels are ready and so am I
we will finish strong next.
Speaker 7 (30:26):
Hey, I so that Chipotle is bringing back their best
selling avocado inspired lipolte lipstain. Chipole said it's backed by
popular demand. I think I speak for everyone when I
say no.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
It's not Did he use the term lip stain? Is
that something besides lipstick? Lip stain? Okay, I don't even
know what that is.
Speaker 8 (30:47):
I've never heard that, kase, Yeah, lipstain. It's more of
like a liquid that just stains your lips. It's not
that thick stuff that transfers when you touch anything.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Oh, okay, so you don't leave a ring on the
coffee cup? Okay. A couple of things I wander through
real quick. One. I think the biggest news of the
day is the fact that Trump talked to Zelensky about
weapons that fire into Moscow in Saint Petersburg. But there'll
be more on that later.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
I hope, says you, lipstain sounds like an insult to me.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Senator Ran Paul reissued criminal referrals of doctor Fauci. He
wants he still wants doctor Fauci prosecuted, and perhaps awesome
based on the whole auto pen thing. It's never gonna happen.
Try hole. Oh dang it. La Times headline today, college
is not for every student. House schools are steering them
(31:36):
to high demand jobs. Love reading that. I might read
the whole article and get into it later, but I
wanted to mention this that our friend Tim Sandifer retweeted
and I read about it. I still don't quite understand it.
A network of underground thing pipes is about to change
delivery forever, says you. Thing Pipe claims this company, and
(31:58):
they're doing it in Austin, which is where every innovative
creative person seems to be based now is Austin, Texas
for lots of reasons, including you can do it there
in California won't let you do anything. Basically, it's the
idea of pipes underground. They're about two foot in diameter.
There are robots inside them that travel one hundred miles
(32:20):
an hour, and they'll go to every home and office
and building in whatever city you're in, and so stuff
can move around like in the blink of an eye,
whether it's your Burrito Supreme from Taco Bell or something
you ordered on Amazon, or something you're sending to somebody
across town or whatever. They'll just travel through these tubes
(32:43):
like in seconds or minutes, depending on how far you
are apart, and they show up like you're this example
in the article here was you'd have a drawer and
you open your door. Okay, it's here, and you open
your door and take out your breeding, close your door.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I'm reminded of some conveyor systems I've seen in like
advanced manufacturing operations, or like a really big airport will
have scanners and doors that open and close to route stuff.
I could see a version of that shit.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
I didn't know that well. I was picturing like the
tube banks that used to exist and still does some places,
where you put that thing in the tube and send
it wherever it's going to go really really fast.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yeah, that's obviously, that's one point to one point. But
design a system.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
I don't see how you possibly the infrastructure project that
would be laying all these pipes underneath a big city.
You'd have to tear up every sidewalk, road and yard
in the town to do that. That seems like a
hell of a stumbling block to me, wouldn't you? What
(33:51):
are the ways subterranean technology and whatnot? It's doable. We
don't have time thought, Yeah, some terrain in technology and whatnot.
Here's your host for final thoughts, Joe Getty. Hey, let's
get a final thought from everybody on the crew to
(34:11):
wrap things up for the day, beginning with our technic
Hule director Michael Angelow. Michael, what's your final thought?
Speaker 4 (34:16):
I don't know why, but the thought of everybody getting
their news from Twitter and nobody believing anything they see
just really depresses me.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
And I can't get that out of my head. Get
used to it? Yeah, no kidding. Katie Greener, esteemed newswoman,
has a final thought.
Speaker 8 (34:29):
Katie, you got ARPS drug and getty dot Com.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
There's a new Katie's Corner.
Speaker 8 (34:33):
It's got some funny videos and a little bit of
an IVF update.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
So I'll be gone a whole a couple of days
this week. Okay, uh, Katie? Would you are you willing
to be the public face of my witch spellcasting Etsy account?
Oh out? Okay, Well we'll talk about it. We'll figure
out jack. Final thought, it's time for my son to
get his first car. I want him to have a
car so that he can drive himself around because I,
as one parent with two kids, driving him around is
(34:58):
killing me anyway. I have had to recalibrate what cars cost.
I kind of missed the whole lower end used car
price hike that happened through COVID and everything and inflation.
It's a completely different world than I thought it was.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
And my final thoughts at clarification on one of our
lead stories today, Cal Rowley of the Seattle Mariners, who
developed as a ballplayer in Modesto, California before he won
the home run derby last night. His nickname is big
Dumper because one of his teammates observed that he has
a large butt.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Of course, so it's exactly what it sounds like. I
maybe you shouldn't want to call him big ass because
that seemed too coarse. So right, Armstrong and Getty rabick
up another grueling four hour workday. Why have those ballplayers
and their cliver nicknames? There's so many people.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Thanks a little time, good Armstrong, Egeeddy dot com.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
How we'll see tomorrow, God bless America. Screw it, leave it,
let's go Brandon. Point of personal privilege. I think that
right now you know the honeymoon's over. So little too much,
docky dog, do you understand? Can I understand the word.
You're thirlbatic. Maybe you're not that bright. Coupling empty. Will
(36:15):
this institution survive the stench that this creates. I have
no idea why you would do something like that, And
another sign we are approaching peak stupid. Hey go very
much Armstrong and Getty,
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Ketty arm Strong
and Jetty and now he Armstrong and Getty. So here's
two couple of things real quick before we get to
(00:24):
the meat. One newsworthy breaking news today, Trump talked to
Zelenski about weapons to fire into Moscow and Saint Petersburg.
Maybe we'll get to a little more of that later,
but that seems like a pretty big development. This story
not important. Stevie Wonder addresses the rumors that he's not blind.
(00:47):
I didn't realize that. Shaquille O'Neill A couple of years ago,
says Stevie Wonder got on an elevator with him and said, Hey, Shack,
what's up, big dog. I'm a big fan, pressed the
button on the elevator, got up out of the elevator,
walked to his room shacks as he called everybody he
knew that night, tell them.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Wow, wait a minute, I mean, I guess I'll stay tuned,
But is it possible Stevie Wonder is just like mildly nearsighted.
Somebody thought, yeah, he's a musical genius. Teenager but we
need a.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Little better hook. Let's see, that's a funny Shack story.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, I'd love to hear him telling it too in
that shack voice, so in a non coincidence.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
But now I'll just dive into it.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
We've been talking a fair amount about the Jeffrey Epstein thing,
and there are all sorts of opinions from really interesting
sources on what the truth is, what it might be,
whether it should be revealed, if there's anything there, just
it's it's got a just a.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Life of its own.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I want to talk about conspiracy theories and why they're
so healing. Here's the caveat though, there are beyond question
looney Tunes conspiracy theories, rabbit holes of the QAnon sort
that are, to me indisputably conspiracy theories, and they're often
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used to profit from people who tend to fall for
this sort of stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
On the other.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Hand, there is a tendency among certain groups of people
to call everything that questions power a conspiracy theory, even
though A the theory is correct and b there is
a conspiracy people acting together for an illegal or unsavory goal.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
That's what a conspiracy is. So I try to be
careful about what I call a conspiracy theory. Yeah, I
remember when this progressive friend of mine hit me with
the C word, I think for the first time in
my life, when I brought up the idea that China
was involved in helping getting fentanyl or whatever it takes
(03:13):
to make fentanyl into Mexico and then it getting across
the border. Wow, that's some conspiracy you believe in. No,
it's it's a thing, that's it's documentable. I remember the
idea that the COVID virus leaked from the Wuhin lab
was aggressively labeled a conspiracy theory, not only by the
medical establishment and then Fauci and Collins and all of
(03:35):
those berks. The Scarf Lady, but like the entirety of
the media said that was a ludicrous and racist conspiracy theory.
So hey, my caveat is, watch what you call a
conspiracy theory.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Having said that, here's why they're so appealing. It's a
handful of different psychological truths. And I was reminded that
I had this in my back pocket. By are discussing
the witches of Etsy and these people who paid thirteen
dollars for a squall a spell on Etsy and got
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a job offer three days later and attribute it to
the Witch. Three main items. Number one a need for
understanding and control. It explains the unexplained. Conspiracy theories often
provide a clear, if even if often unfounded, explanation for
events that are confusing, frightening, or seem random, and they
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offer a sense of control by suggesting that powerful groups
are orchestrating events rather than random chaos or just the
sort of greed and dishonesty that humans always engage in.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yeah, random chaos or my example is always we Apparently
a lot of us can't handle the idea of like
one bad guy doing something, or a couple bad guys,
like you know, the the assassination of Trump. It can't
just be one nut job change world history. That can't be.
That's too frightening to deal with. So it's got to
(05:09):
be some giant conspiracy or even nine to eleven. It
can't just be twenty Muslim fanatic nut jobs hijack and plane.
It's got to be a much bigger inside something or other. Right,
get by to the realms and reams of evidence. Right,
I guess that makes some of us feel better. Well,
And the other thing is, and I maybe jumping the
gun on this, but if there is an identifiable evil
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doer or group, you can do something about it. Hmmm.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
If it's just the sort of greed, imperfection, complacency, stupidity, perversion,
et cetera that humans have all the time and always will,
you can't defeat that. You can work against it and
try to limit it, protect individuals and the folks in
your town or members of your church or whatever, but
you can't, like Jeffrey Epstein down and end child sex trafficking.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
And that's hard for people to take.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
And I'm not saying necessarily everything about Epstein's a quote
unquote conspiracy theory, like I said earlier anyway, Also, and
here's how the witches of Vetsy reminded me of this
pattern recognition. Humans are wired to seek patterns, and conspiracy
theories can fulfill this need. Even if the patterns are illusory.
You're connecting dots that shouldn't be connected. They're just they're
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both true, but they have nothing to do with each other.
Psychological benefits of conspiracy theories. Believing in a conspiracy theory
can make individuals feel special, knowledgeable, and part of an
exclusive group. With privileged access to the truth. It boosts
yourself esteem.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
I've known a couple of people that they did their
lives were not going very well and they were into that,
and I think it was you know, it's a save
for that sort of thing. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Well, and in related topics, social bond theories can create
a sense of belonging and solidarity community among those who
share the belief reinforcing social bonds.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
It feels good to be part of a team.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Rationalizing belief It can help folks rationalize their existing beliefs
and behaviors, even though when those beliefs are unsupported by evidence,
and it can reduce anxiety In some cases, Conspiracy theories
can provide a sense of closure and reduce anxiety by
offering a seemingly logical explanation for events and as I
said before, a possibility of doing something about it.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Yeah, that does ease anxiety. And that like if just
a random nut job in any town in America could
change world history by killing a president, that's hard to
take versus you know, major forces involved.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Social and cultural pulls of conspiracy theories. It can be
fueled by a general distrust of institutions, governments, or established narratives.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, well I've got plenty of that.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Oh yeah, perfectly legitimate in a hell of a lot
of cases, not only legitimate, but like admirable and desirable.
We need our founding. Papa's told us question power constantly.
That's not a bad thing, doctor Fauci.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I'm trying to think if there are any conspiracy theories
that I'm like at least open to, or do.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
You have any that you're I'd have to think about it,
but yeah, I'm sure, Yeah, I don't know if I do.
I mean there's some I reject outright with a loud guffaw,
including like nine to eleven or the moon landing or whatever.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Flat Earth. Yeah, there's no such thing as birds or
all CIA drones. Yes, Michael sports, No, I believe that one. Sports.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Yeah, referees a conspiracies all the time, whether it's the
NBA or NFL.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
You think you buy into that, oh, Jack, you say that, Yeah,
the league wants New York in LA to play, So
there go the calls against Indiana or whatever. I think
that's just true. There you go, all right, So that
one distrust because there's too much money on the line.
But I could be wrong. There you go.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Distrust of authority is healthy, as we were saying, you know,
to some extent, confirmation bias. Here's where they well. People
are more likely to seek out and believe information that
confirms their existing beliefs, even if the information is false,
and you feed people that over and over again to
keep them coming back to your site or your podcast
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Social influence.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Conspiracy theories can spread through social network, especially when shared
among friends, family, or online communities.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I feel like I feel like I've got one, but
I just can't quite I'll think of it well, and
some people aren't as good at critical thinking than others.
Some individuals struggle to critically evaluate information and distinguish between
credible sources and not credible sources, solid information and misinformation.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Of course, again, you have the authorities, which we've agreed
we should count, we should question, spent years telling you
that absolute truths were misinformation. So I understand it's hard
to talk people out of quote unquote conspiracy theories because
you know, in recent history there's been monumental dishonesty by
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the authorities. Also, susceptibility to misinformation can make some folks
more vulnerable to accepting conspiracy theories without proper scrutiny. So
in some way, the appeal of conspiracy theories is accombination
of psychological needs, social factors, cognitive biases.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I have three children that I raised. I love them
all very very much. They're very different than each other.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
One of my kids is very, very susceptible to scams,
and we've worked very hard on beefing up the skill
set of identifying them and resisting them for various social side, ecological,
neurological reasons. I have another kid who I gotta believe
could not be scammed if the world's greatest scammer were
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to spend five years trying. The children from the same parents,
raised in the same household. So I you know, the
longer I live and the more I see believe it
or not if you listen to the show, the less
judgmental I get about personal characteristics.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Were born with a hell of a lot of them. Yeah,
we are, and to me, I'll hear.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Like the QAnon thing, we had a couple of listeners
who were absolutely adamant about it.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
They explained it to me.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
They showed me the websites, the links, the predictions, and
said just wait and so I did, and I waited,
and I checked back, and I saw a couple of
things kind of happening, and certain things clearly not happening,
but then the explanation of why they didn't happen, and
how that's proof that blah blah blah. And I'm not bragging,
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but I'm very good at identifying bullless. And I thought,
that's bullspit. And I can tell you exactly what kind
of bullspit it is. It's circular logic and explaining away
being wrong by saying you're right because of this that
no I can tell when I'm being led down the
garden path.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
And I was like, this stuff is a joke. But
some people that don't have that. It's like being able
to run fast or shoot a basketball.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
It's just a reality of humankind and the Internet has
fed it, just mountains of steroids, whatever tendencies exist.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Well, we'll do a little Epstein coming up later this hour.
I mean, there's a chunk of the MAGA crowd that's
really really into this. But a poll just came out,
like just moments ago. It's more Democrats than Republicans by
far that think the Epstein thing is being hidden. So
that kind of flies in the face of everything I've
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been told on left because Fox isn't talking about Epstein,
MSNBC and CNN are endlessly talking about Emstein.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah, just the right wingy internet is. But that's because
Fox is mainstream and they're trying to protect right.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
They're in on it right. Anyways, we got more on
that later, not next to here. So Stevie Wonders musician
whos heyday was in the sixties and seventies. Really, I
guess he had some hits in the eighties anyway. Yeah,
and he's beloved till today. I mean, he's a legend.
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And he was a child prodigy. He was one of
those little kids that could dance and sing and play
any instrument as a child and was blind, which you know,
added to the story obviously.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
By the way, in a song that some heard but
we can't feature on the podcast because of licensing laws,
Stevie is playing the clavinet, bassline and playing the drums
on that song and it's one of the greatest grooves
in the history of pop music. Guy, insane musicians, just fabulous.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
So there's there's been this rumor slash joke going around
for years this TV. Wonder isn't actually blind, and he's
played into the joke for decades for whatever reason. And
he's been on Colbert and Jimmy Fallon and Kimmel talking
about it, and they make jokes and he makes jokes
and all that sort of stuff. And I just told
you the story. Shack claims Stevie Wonder recognized him on
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an elevator, pressed the button, got off the elevator, and
walked to his room. So I don't know if Shaq's
just playing along too, or you know, everybody gets the
joke anyway. Stevie Wonder did in an interview, although he
doesn't get to. He doesn't say at any point in
this particular interview that he's completely blind, because you can be.
The term legally blind is a thing where you can't
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see enough to whether drive or just all kinds of
different things, but you see light and dark in colors.
Maybe there's all kinds of levels of blind, including completely blind.
He doesn't get into that, so I don't I wonder
if maybe he's got some sight, doesn't matter. He said
he he went blind shortly after was born, and his
mom was very upset and cried every night for a
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very long time un till he finally convinced her to
stop and told her that God must have some other
plan for him. And then you know, he got into
music and all that whole sort of thing happened. But
he said he developed something and I'd never heard this before,
and he said, blind people regularly to develop this thing
called spatial radar. He said, if you close your eyes
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and put your hands in front of you and then
talk and then remove your hands, it'll sound different. Yeah,
because of the way sound bounces off of things. And
he said, in that way, you can recognize where like
walls are indoors and stuff like that by just hearing
sounds that the steps your your footsteps bouncing off loss.
(15:47):
I suppose you do good. You know, you lose one
sense in your other senses increase. That's well known.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Oh yeah, one hundred percent believe that that absolutely, you know,
coincides everything I've ever learned about audio production. And you know,
just even doing this job, you can't you can't be
in a live room with a lot of reflective surfaces.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
You can hear it, but that would explain some things
that you see him or maybe other blind people do
that you think wait a second, you're not blind, no,
because they picked up their footsteps off of that door
or wall in a way that you don't, or they're
tuned into it.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Hence the tapping of a cane as well. Oh, I'm
just feeling your way. It's like echo location. Interesting from
what we are our next neighbor was blind for a
couple of years. Judy and I lived in beautiful Salina, Kansas,
and she explained some of this stuff to me ages ago.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
They were your neighbor for a couple of years, or
they were blind for a couple of years.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
For the they were blind for quite some time. From
what I understand, they were our neighbor for about a year,
I guess.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
And if Elon could stop doing politics, his neurallink might
solve that problem for everybody who's blind. And they're certainly
working on that one. That'd be an amazing miracle if
that can ever happen. Action some people at this MAGA
convention about Epstein is something, and then some new polling
that's out about it. And I still don't completely get
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the fascination with this story. It concerns me zero, but
some of you it really does. So stay tuned Armstrong
and Getty.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Honestly, I'm done talking about Epstein for the time being.
I'm gonna trust my friends the administration. I'm gonna trust
my friends in the government to do what needs to
be done, solve it. Balls in their hands. I've said
plenty of this last weekend.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
That's Charlie Kirk, who needs no introduction for some of you.
Some of you don't know who he is, but he's
a big deal in MAGA circles, and he had a
big event over the weekend with He's really big with
the younger crowd. Laura Ingram, who you probably do know
if you ever watch Fox or listen to the radio.
She was there at the Charlie Kirk event and kind
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of pulled the crowd about the Epstein topic.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
How many of you are satisfied you can clap satisfied
with the results of the Epstein investigation.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Clap? Okay, I told you to clap. You guys are listening.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
I'm not going to grade you want to curve, So
I was going to get to that, how many of
you are not satisfied with the results of the investment?
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Ah, that's fairly thunderous. Applause at that particular gathering.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Now.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I was watching Mark Halprin's video cast the other day
and his group of people. He's a reporter and he
his sense from that and other polling and just anecdotally
is that it's really big with the young magabass, the
Epstein thing. I'm not exactly sure why. Maybe it's just
because it's almost entirely an online creation. In my mind,
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it's a conspiracy and it's not true most of the
things that people think, and that's almost entirely online. Okay, well,
I gotta stop you. We got to come up with
a different term. Okay, you believe it's a conspiracy, you
mean like a false conspiracy theory. Yeah, oh, I don't
think it's true. I don't think there are I don't
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think the Democratic Party in Hollywood are involved in hundreds
of thousands of children being trafficked for sex.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I don't believe that. I was just hammering the notion
that everybody calls everything a conspiracy theory.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
What term would you like? I don't care what we
call it, but that that thing, I don't believe it's
true at all. And if you know about it at all,
it's because you're online and young people are way online
and older people. That might explain the entirety of why
it's really big for the young magabas as approached to
the older magabase. My parents are maga. They wouldn't come
across this. They aren't on Twitter never. They are on
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TikTok and Instagram never. But if you're young, you're always
on that and you come across this all the time.
And as you heard the eruption from the crowd there. Now,
the coverage is interesting on this in that CNN and
MSNBC I've been talking about it all day every day
in leading with it. Fox is covering it hardly at all,
which comes up on CNN yesterday played clip sixty seven
(20:07):
for me Michael.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
Matthew Gertz from Media Matters notes that Fox News today
eighty five mentions of Biden, zero mentions of Epstein as
of four pm. According to Matthew Gertz, so I mean
people are taking orders.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
But here at CNN we're continuing to have this.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
Discussion because it is something that they promised that they
were going to.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Do, I mean taking orders. So he's presenting it as
Trump said, shut up about it, So Fox is shutting
up about it or CNN and MSNBC and everybody on
the left is hammering it because they think it's a
wedge to attack Republicans about. So who's taking what orders? About?
Speaker 3 (20:51):
What?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I mean? Is it because Jake Tapper or Morning Joe
on MSNBC. Are you just so damned interested in this
Epsteine story you believe it's true. Is that why you're
into it? Or is there a great way to attack
Republicans and there aren't a lot of great ways to
attack Republicans right now? Or Trump because things are going
as well, pretty well annoying the guys who obeyed marching
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orders constantly from the Biden administration and Anthony Fauci and
Francis Collins and the rest of that. Now, if your
goal is to point out, hey, Bongino and uh and
Pam Bondi and then Trump, Trump did not forcefully advocate
the Epstein thing like is being portrayed. At least I
(21:34):
haven't heard it, but he he, he hinted at it
and certainly allowed his surrogates to talk about it without
squashing it. He definitely did that. But if you want
to talk about how they built this whole thing up,
convinced people there was there there like a ton of
they're there, and wait till January twentieth, two thousand and
(21:55):
twenty five, when we get into office, it's all gonna
and then it turns out there's no If you want
to point that out, yeah, I get that, but you
kind of have I mean, I feel like that's been
is it all day? Every day? To explain that to us?
I thought this polling was interesting. See and CNN pull
out just an hour ago. Are you unhappy with the
(22:17):
federal government's handling of the Epstein files? For Democrats it's
fifty six. For Republicans it's forty, So way more Democrats
unhappy with the government handling of Epstein than Republicans, which
kind of runs counter to.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
What Yeah, but in what way? It's like the right
track wrong track thing. Half the people saying wrong track
think it's too liberal, half think it's too conservative.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I suppose you might have a point there. As ABC
News reported the other day, hundreds hundreds, which it's got
to be at least two hundred to be hundreds FBI
agents were assigned the Epstein case. Were there really hot
undreds of FBI? What were they doing every day? I
(23:04):
can't imagine, right, Yeah, that's really interesting that fact. I
would love to know more about that. I know people
personally couple two, but that actually thought January twentieth, twenty
twenty five, Finally, finally we're gonna nail these child predators
(23:27):
who've been trafficking these hundreds of thousands of kids that
got the pandayes and everything. Have you been following online?
Hollywood and the Clintons and Michelle Obama who's actually a man,
and all of this there, it's all going to come
to an end, and they're quite disappointed that it hasn't.
And think Pam Bondi's in on it. Bondi's in on it.
Cash what's his name? Patel? Patel is in on it,
(23:50):
the FBI director, and now Trump's compromise probably because of
the Jews Israt Bongino? Right? Yeah, So that's where we
are on this whole thing, whatever you believe. Yeah, it doesn't,
is it? Is it? Are we done with this cycle?
I mean Fox has been done with it for a while.
(24:12):
Is mainstream media? The marching artiers? Well, there's nothing, there's
nothing to report. Oh, did we play Charlie Kirk the
Charlie Kirk whip? Yeah, that's what we played first. Yeah,
I couldn't.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Well, the fact that he said whatever he said, I'm
I'm I'm done with this until unless anything new happens.
I'm done with this. And at his event the crowd
was like, yes, we need more.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
So a handful of comments via email. Uh, how to
speak after hearing you talk about Epstein like he was
some savvy financial advisor. No, he infiltrated very powerful Jewish
political and businessmen. Yes, he was Jewish and most of
his money came from Jewish billionaires. Seriously, do some research.
These are not conspiracies. It's common knowledge. Look up Leon Block,
(25:01):
Leslie Wexner, blah blah blah, very involved with politicians and
businessmen that were Jewish. Tucker is exactly right. There's a
different writer. He was handed without the experience of reputation
for finance the multi billion dollar portfolio of a man
named les Wexner. Wachner was a business tycoon with ties
to Israel. One other very interesting fact about Epstein is
(25:23):
that at some point he was assigned a handler named
Julane Maxwell. Her father was Robert Maxwell, a media tycoon
who was a Masad agent and died under miss suspicious circumstances,
which was an alleged suicide. None of that matters the
legitimate concerns about the Epstein case or the lack of
investigation and prosecutions of the people involved. Pam Bondi and
Cash Betel have stayed in the thousands of hours of video.
(25:45):
They have his child pornography, well, who produced the pornography
and who are the people sexually abusing the children? They
can't answer those questions.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
For virtually any time anybody gets caught with child porn,
people don't. There aren't credits at the end. Is it
actual child porn or is it under age eighteen porn?
Which is right, yeah, because we all know that he
was trafficking in under eighteen women for whatever weird psychological reasons.
(26:16):
Some nut jobs have a thing for that. Right.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Here's another correspondent. What you failed to grasp about the
Epstein client list is that it's about human slavery and
those who perpetuate the practice through evil lust. Millions of
Americans want elitists on the list to pay for their crimes.
I can't think of a more practice more debaucherous than
the buying and selling of humans for sexual pleasure. Epstein
and Maxwell groomed and trafficked children around the world and
(26:40):
transported them for political blackmail and personal profit. Please don't
dismiss the severity of the crimes. Independent journalists, she mentions,
one won't let go of the story because it rests
at the heart of what we're willing to accept culturally.
Do you want to send the message that if you're
rich and famous, you can be immune from prosecution. One
other person mentioned the Jews.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Again, there's zero hard evidence that any blackmailing occurred so
far that we know of. Reply the people, you need
to read this website or that book or whatever.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
I just.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Now how he got rich. I'll admit I haven't looked
into how he got rich. But even if he got
rich through I don't know, completely illegal, fraudulent ways. How
does that? How do you make the leap from that
to hundreds of thousands of children being trafficked by the Clintons.
The Jews are behind it. That's what a lot of
people think.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
It's just your clan ta, it's your classic anti Semitic
They're running everything in a secret cabal that's pulling all
the strings.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Blah blah blah. I feel like the Jews are behind
it was a late addition to this conspiracy or you
don't like the word conspiracy around this, but I feel
like the Jews are a late addition to this. I
remember that being part of it back in the day,
with Pizzagate and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Maybe all right, Yeah, I'm just I don't know. I'm
just kind of fatigued by all of it. Honestly, the
government's spending us into oblivion. For instance, Chinese is going
to take over the world.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah, there's that one too.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah, our education system is teaching your children communism as
we speak.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Okay, let's go with as a political matter? Is a
political matter? Is this a problem that so many of
the young voters Trump had feel like they were lied
to or Trump's in on the thing or whatever could
be in a close race Although this, well, I was
thinking maybe bigger, long term picture. I think it might
(28:48):
just add to the overall cynicism that the Internet has
brought us, and we get closer and closer to nobody
believing anything ever from anyone. Right that is, I think
that's the inevitable endpoint of all of this with the Internet,
and AI will make it worse. Nobody believes anything. Ever,
(29:08):
there's like no such thing as a gatekeeper news source,
and I don't know how society functions at that point.
It'll be interesting to watch briefly.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Because we're having no babies. Well, so it will function
one way or another, but not for long.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Because most voters are older, and the older crowd still
gets a lot of their news from the New York
Times and CBS News and places like that, but the
younger crowd gets zero of their news from those places zero.
And by younger I mean like forty and younger under
So when the older crowd that there are at least
(29:47):
some gatekeepers, even as flawed as they are, those gatekeepers,
when that's all gone and everybody's just got their own website,
I don't even know what it's going to look like.
I don't even know how a politician will run, because
you'd be talking to an audience full of people that
all have their own narratives about the world. Right. Well, yeah,
(30:08):
I can't imagine. I have no idea. I will be
in the score in the woods watching the squirrels coport
if you need me. I think it's going to happen
fairly soon. The squirrels are ready and so am I
we will finish strong next.
Speaker 7 (30:26):
Hey, I so that Chipotle is bringing back their best
selling avocado inspired lipolte lipstain. Chipole said it's backed by
popular demand. I think I speak for everyone when I
say no.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
It's not Did he use the term lip stain? Is
that something besides lipstick? Lip stain? Okay, I don't even
know what that is.
Speaker 8 (30:47):
I've never heard that, kase, Yeah, lipstain. It's more of
like a liquid that just stains your lips. It's not
that thick stuff that transfers when you touch anything.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Oh, okay, so you don't leave a ring on the
coffee cup? Okay. A couple of things I wander through
real quick. One. I think the biggest news of the
day is the fact that Trump talked to Zelensky about
weapons that fire into Moscow in Saint Petersburg. But there'll
be more on that later.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
I hope, says you, lipstain sounds like an insult to me.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Senator Ran Paul reissued criminal referrals of doctor Fauci. He
wants he still wants doctor Fauci prosecuted, and perhaps awesome
based on the whole auto pen thing. It's never gonna happen.
Try hole. Oh dang it. La Times headline today, college
is not for every student. House schools are steering them
(31:36):
to high demand jobs. Love reading that. I might read
the whole article and get into it later, but I
wanted to mention this that our friend Tim Sandifer retweeted
and I read about it. I still don't quite understand it.
A network of underground thing pipes is about to change
delivery forever, says you. Thing Pipe claims this company, and
(31:58):
they're doing it in Austin, which is where every innovative
creative person seems to be based now is Austin, Texas
for lots of reasons, including you can do it there
in California won't let you do anything. Basically, it's the
idea of pipes underground. They're about two foot in diameter.
There are robots inside them that travel one hundred miles
(32:20):
an hour, and they'll go to every home and office
and building in whatever city you're in, and so stuff
can move around like in the blink of an eye,
whether it's your Burrito Supreme from Taco Bell or something
you ordered on Amazon, or something you're sending to somebody
across town or whatever. They'll just travel through these tubes
(32:43):
like in seconds or minutes, depending on how far you
are apart, and they show up like you're this example
in the article here was you'd have a drawer and
you open your door. Okay, it's here, and you open
your door and take out your breeding, close your door.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I'm reminded of some conveyor systems I've seen in like
advanced manufacturing operations, or like a really big airport will
have scanners and doors that open and close to route stuff.
I could see a version of that shit.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
I didn't know that well. I was picturing like the
tube banks that used to exist and still does some places,
where you put that thing in the tube and send
it wherever it's going to go really really fast.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yeah, that's obviously, that's one point to one point. But
design a system.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
I don't see how you possibly the infrastructure project that
would be laying all these pipes underneath a big city.
You'd have to tear up every sidewalk, road and yard
in the town to do that. That seems like a
hell of a stumbling block to me, wouldn't you? What
(33:51):
are the ways subterranean technology and whatnot? It's doable. We
don't have time thought, Yeah, some terrain in technology and whatnot.
Here's your host for final thoughts, Joe Getty. Hey, let's
get a final thought from everybody on the crew to
(34:11):
wrap things up for the day, beginning with our technic
Hule director Michael Angelow. Michael, what's your final thought?
Speaker 4 (34:16):
I don't know why, but the thought of everybody getting
their news from Twitter and nobody believing anything they see
just really depresses me.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
And I can't get that out of my head. Get
used to it? Yeah, no kidding. Katie Greener, esteemed newswoman,
has a final thought.
Speaker 8 (34:29):
Katie, you got ARPS drug and getty dot Com.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
There's a new Katie's Corner.
Speaker 8 (34:33):
It's got some funny videos and a little bit of
an IVF update.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
So I'll be gone a whole a couple of days
this week. Okay, uh, Katie? Would you are you willing
to be the public face of my witch spellcasting Etsy account?
Oh out? Okay, Well we'll talk about it. We'll figure
out jack. Final thought, it's time for my son to
get his first car. I want him to have a
car so that he can drive himself around because I,
as one parent with two kids, driving him around is
(34:58):
killing me anyway. I have had to recalibrate what cars cost.
I kind of missed the whole lower end used car
price hike that happened through COVID and everything and inflation.
It's a completely different world than I thought it was.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
And my final thoughts at clarification on one of our
lead stories today, Cal Rowley of the Seattle Mariners, who
developed as a ballplayer in Modesto, California before he won
the home run derby last night. His nickname is big
Dumper because one of his teammates observed that he has
a large butt.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Of course, so it's exactly what it sounds like. I
maybe you shouldn't want to call him big ass because
that seemed too coarse. So right, Armstrong and Getty rabick
up another grueling four hour workday. Why have those ballplayers
and their cliver nicknames? There's so many people.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Thanks a little time, good Armstrong, Egeeddy dot com.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
How we'll see tomorrow, God bless America. Screw it, leave it,
let's go Brandon. Point of personal privilege. I think that
right now you know the honeymoon's over. So little too much,
docky dog, do you understand? Can I understand the word.
You're thirlbatic. Maybe you're not that bright. Coupling empty. Will
(36:15):
this institution survive the stench that this creates. I have
no idea why you would do something like that, And
another sign we are approaching peak stupid. Hey go very
much Armstrong and Getty,
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