July 24, 2025 • 13 mins
On the Thursday July 24, 2025 edition of The Armstrong & Getty One More Thing Podcast...
- Joe helps us understand the NIL (Name, Image & Likeness) rules embraced in college sports.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Just walk through the lobby. I'll give you five grand.
It's one more thing.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I'm strong and Getty one more. We're recording this on
the day that Hulk Hogan died.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
It's been a difficult day for all of us.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Anyway, they were just they just did a thing on
Fox where they're showing up fans beginning to show up
at Hulk Hogan's home in Florida to place flowers or
wreaths or who knows what they're doing. Holy cow, that's
a house. Sure, that's a house. I think you've accidentally
got a luxury hotel nearby.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
So apparently things worked out for him pretty well financially.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Yeah, a bit of a checkered life.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
But anyway, here's a joke we did not play on
the air. On the radio show from Greg Guttfeld last night,
and that.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Now infamous interview making the rounds, Hunter Biden said that
illegal immigrants do all the jobs that nobody wants to,
for example, harvesting, processing, and selling him cocie. Hunter also
said he thinks of Kamala Harris as family, promising that
if she ever passed away, he would immediately bang Doug.
(01:13):
But he also says that he loves Kamala like his
own daughter, which of course is a stretch because he's
met Kamala.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, oh, which is pretty good. That's a pretty good one.
That's a pretty good dig right there.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Well, that's a super good dig right there. That was
that left to Mark Ouch. Can I get some ice?
So to my introduction, just walk through the lobby. I'll
give you five grand I had the experience earlier in
the week of in doing my hours long preparation for
(01:49):
the show, deciding two things are so screwed up they
will never heal, and that would be number one. Our
immigration system. I was reading about proposed legislation from a
Republican and it's got terrible problems and is already getting
(02:09):
cannon fire from both sides, and I thought, you know what,
We're never solving. This second thing that will never be
straightened out as long as we all shall live. Hulk
Hogan excluded is college sports. It is un you know,
(02:30):
redeemably screwed up.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Here's why I would agree, which is interesting given how
much money is involved. You'd have thought they'd have tried
so hard to hang on to what it was. Some
of you, you didn't have any choice because laws changed and
lawsuits were filed.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah. Yeah, and some of those lawsuits ended in a
way that you have to say, yeah, that's more just
than the way it was.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Right. There's all kinds of obvious example, like the the
idea that well, first of all, everybody having to stay
in college for four years befere they would go in
the pros is just kind of the way it was.
Why I can, I can. I've got the talents as
a twenty year old to go make fifty million dollars
a year. I think I'll go do that.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
It was literally one of those I thought this was America.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, you know, you make a good point, son.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Anyway, Uh So, I've got a couple of friends who
are crazy into college sports, and they really had a
good grip on the nil the name, image and likeness
thing and how big that was and weird and screwed up,
and I never quite followed it, but now I mostly
get it.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
That was the biggest travesty of on all And they
had some of the biggest stars on planet Earth who
couldn't make a cent from being a big star the
whole time they're in college.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Yeah, there were toasts. They were the toast of America's
sports fans, right, and they couldn't so much as smile
on camera for the local Ford dealer anyway. But here
here's why I say it's it's super screwed, and there's
a big there are court cases and all there's going
to be serious wrastling over this. It's all about the boosters,
(04:09):
the deep pocketed alums who for years would like help
pay for facility upgrades or hefty coach salaries. A lot
of it is paid by boosters. Well, when the NCAAA
started letting athletes capitalize on their name, image or likeness,
these boosters formed collectives that would raise funds from fans,
(04:33):
and it amounts from twenty five dollars to a million
dollars depending. I'm a crazy ass rich guy. I went
to Illinois. But all right, so maybe I'm just a
freak for Illinois sports and I got crazy money. I
donate a million dollars to the Booster club, all right.
Number one, I'm going to be treated like a god
around there, and for some guys that's that's important anyway.
(04:55):
And then the boosters steer the money to athletes in
exchange for promotion or charity work. Quote unquote. That's where
the fight is raging whether booster collectives can still do that.
And there's a massive amount of money at stake these collectives.
These booster collectives made up more than eighty percent of
the estimated one point seven billion dollars in the college
(05:20):
nil market in twenty twenty four to twenty five, this
and the upcoming seasons. So there's going on two billion
dollars at stake in eighty percent of it is these
booster clubs. So if the court case goes the wrong way,
if the new NC DOUBLEA rules hold up, that's barring
boosters from doing this, one point four billion dollars could
(05:44):
vanish for the athletes. And then it gets into if
the boosters play ball and stuff like that. But what
it comes down to is the NC DOUBLEA rules say
it's got to be a legitimate exchange for use of
their name, image, likeness. You can't pay somebody five grand
to walk through your lobby. That's not a legitimate business exchange.
(06:10):
Telling a wealth Oh here's one guy who's in favor
of it, who says, telling a wealthy person who owns
a business that they can't pay a student athlete twenty
five grand for advertising because some third party tells him
he's overpaying, and the student athlete it's only worth ten
thousand dollars, not twenty five thousand dollars. You know, that
just doesn't feel appropriate to me personally. That's from a
guy who's in the thick of it.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
So at odds in the fight are the college's new
policing arm on one side, and lawyers representing athletes and
recently settled anti trust lawsuit against the NCUBA on the
other side. They're the nc DOUBLEA. The College Sports Commission,
which is a new thing, is trying to curb the
power and influence of the booster collectives, and the commission
set up a clearinghouse through which any player deal worth
(06:53):
more than six hundred dollars must be approved. And many
booster collective deals don't satisfy you a quote valid business
purpose because they don't license the players nil for commercial
product or service. They're just handing them money.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
When is there anything wrong with that?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
That's a good question.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I'm thinking about it, and nothing leaps to mind, honestly.
I mean, I get that the NCAA has rules that
are in the interest of protecting college sports from not
going just to bizarrero too, but morally financially, I am
(07:46):
so intent on you coming to Illinois and becoming the
quarterback to lift my beloved program out of mediocrity as
it's been mired in since Jeff George left the Field
Memorial Stadium Field. Anyway, if I'm so into that, I'm
gonna kick you up million bucks a year to come
(08:07):
and play quarterback for us. What's to stop me?
Speaker 2 (08:11):
So you've got some of the stuff that you know,
it was unfair for so long that these TV networks, universities,
all kinds of things would make money off these big
star players and they couldn't get a dime. That was ridiculous.
So I'm glad that got changed. But some of the
other stuff with rearrange in the league seems like nobody
made them do that, did they. That seems like a
(08:33):
killed the golden goose, got too greedy something or other.
Just bad decision making to me, ending all the rivalries
that made the sport so amazing for so many years.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah, that ruined a lot of it. Yes, it's awful,
It's unmitigated awful.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Like I've kind of checked out. I used to be
huge into college sports, but I just I don't even
know who's in what league anymore, who's the rival? And
then this whole thing that I don't understand at all.
They go through the whole season and then then that
little interim between the season and the playoffs. For different sports,
the players can move around and go to different teams.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
What the hell is that?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
So don't I don't even you lost me completely.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, every year the team is completely new through the transfer.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Portal, but it's near the same season. They change. They
change between the regular season and the playoffs. So what
are we doing? Enjoy it in your league. I hope
it works out for you.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
So, for instance, before every Tennessee home football game last fall,
this booster collective paid basketball, softball or baseball players between
five hundred dollars and five thousand dollars each to attend tailgates.
They organized. Wow, They're there to literally hang out with
fans and their kids. These are the type of deals
that hypothetically would be rejected if the negotiation doesn't come out.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
I think those should be allowed. They want to do that,
let them do it. Unless somebody's got an argument. I
I haven't thought of why that's untoured.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yeah, yeah, says one labor economist who's consulted in these cases.
It's pretty much anti American. The question comes down to,
is it reasonable to say it's okay for an athlete
to get paid a million dollars by his school, but
it's not okay for a group of community leaders to
supplement that income.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
The other thing that we've mentioned a lot is nobody
saw this coming, or if they did, they didn't say
it out loud. The being able to make money that
a lot of it would have to do with being hot.
Everybody understood that it would be the best running back
in the country is going to make a lot of money.
Nobody thought that a gymnast you've never heard of at
some program that isn't even that well known, but she's
(10:44):
hotter than everybody else might make the most money of.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Anybody, right posting cheesecake shots. Yeah, exactly, speaking of women
in sports. My final note anyway, is they're talking about
Texas Tech Mattador club that was one of the leaders
in this was founded co founded by a billionaire tech guy,
and among other of their headline making deals, they landed
(11:08):
a one million dollars softball pitcher. Wow, I'm in sports.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I know I had a U I want to say,
who I know someone I know who was young, who
went to a couple of big universities, and she got
a very prestigious degree from a very prestigious university. But
one of the universities she was at had a very
big time sports program, one of the biggest ones in
the country. And it bothered her so much that the
coach there made so much money. They paid the coach
like three million dollars a year in one of these
(11:37):
big you know. And I tried to explain that it's
just it's just a it's just a numbers thing that
coach brings in the more than the amount of money
they're paying him to the school. She was just appalled
that had existed, which I completely understand. I don't know
why we where we haven't given up on this whole
student athlete. It's part of the college. I mean, why
(11:58):
are we even pretending at this point? Just why why
make it a completely don't make them go to school
at all?
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Have it?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Is it a completely separate thing or I don't even
know what would make sense, but pretending it's just it's
just a part of the extracurricular activities, just to play
on the basketball team. And I mean, what are we doing?
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yeah, the threads that connect you know, if I watch
college football game or basketball game, the threads that connect
that to the university and traditional college sports are fraying
and disappearing in a hurry. I see what you're saying.
I don't know what it becomes then, but right now
it's merely an exercise in sub major league tribalism. Correct.
(12:42):
Why would I wrote root for well, you say this
of major league sports too. Why would I root for
an ever changing array of dudes wearing the orange and
blue of Illinois? Why?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
People do?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Because the way people are made, including me, apparently.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I can use my my family is kind of a
test case on college sports on how dead it is
or is, because there's still is into Kansas basketball as
they ever were, and all this stuff is occurring.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, so interesting and has very little to do with sports.
So I hope if you're a non sports fan you're
still listening. Thank you very much. Well, I guess that's it.
Just walk through the lobby. I'll give you five grand.
It's one more thing.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I'm strong and Getty one more. We're recording this on
the day that Hulk Hogan died.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
It's been a difficult day for all of us.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Anyway, they were just they just did a thing on
Fox where they're showing up fans beginning to show up
at Hulk Hogan's home in Florida to place flowers or
wreaths or who knows what they're doing. Holy cow, that's
a house. Sure, that's a house. I think you've accidentally
got a luxury hotel nearby.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
So apparently things worked out for him pretty well financially.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Yeah, a bit of a checkered life.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
But anyway, here's a joke we did not play on
the air. On the radio show from Greg Guttfeld last night,
and that.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Now infamous interview making the rounds, Hunter Biden said that
illegal immigrants do all the jobs that nobody wants to,
for example, harvesting, processing, and selling him cocie. Hunter also
said he thinks of Kamala Harris as family, promising that
if she ever passed away, he would immediately bang Doug.
(01:13):
But he also says that he loves Kamala like his
own daughter, which of course is a stretch because he's
met Kamala.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, oh, which is pretty good. That's a pretty good one.
That's a pretty good dig right there.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Well, that's a super good dig right there. That was
that left to Mark Ouch. Can I get some ice?
So to my introduction, just walk through the lobby. I'll
give you five grand I had the experience earlier in
the week of in doing my hours long preparation for
(01:49):
the show, deciding two things are so screwed up they
will never heal, and that would be number one. Our
immigration system. I was reading about proposed legislation from a
Republican and it's got terrible problems and is already getting
(02:09):
cannon fire from both sides, and I thought, you know what,
We're never solving. This second thing that will never be
straightened out as long as we all shall live. Hulk
Hogan excluded is college sports. It is un you know,
(02:30):
redeemably screwed up.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Here's why I would agree, which is interesting given how
much money is involved. You'd have thought they'd have tried
so hard to hang on to what it was. Some
of you, you didn't have any choice because laws changed and
lawsuits were filed.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah. Yeah, and some of those lawsuits ended in a
way that you have to say, yeah, that's more just
than the way it was.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Right. There's all kinds of obvious example, like the the
idea that well, first of all, everybody having to stay
in college for four years befere they would go in
the pros is just kind of the way it was.
Why I can, I can. I've got the talents as
a twenty year old to go make fifty million dollars
a year. I think I'll go do that.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
It was literally one of those I thought this was America.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, you know, you make a good point, son.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Anyway, Uh So, I've got a couple of friends who
are crazy into college sports, and they really had a
good grip on the nil the name, image and likeness
thing and how big that was and weird and screwed up,
and I never quite followed it, but now I mostly
get it.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
That was the biggest travesty of on all And they
had some of the biggest stars on planet Earth who
couldn't make a cent from being a big star the
whole time they're in college.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Yeah, there were toasts. They were the toast of America's
sports fans, right, and they couldn't so much as smile
on camera for the local Ford dealer anyway. But here
here's why I say it's it's super screwed, and there's
a big there are court cases and all there's going
to be serious wrastling over this. It's all about the boosters,
(04:09):
the deep pocketed alums who for years would like help
pay for facility upgrades or hefty coach salaries. A lot
of it is paid by boosters. Well, when the NCAAA
started letting athletes capitalize on their name, image or likeness,
these boosters formed collectives that would raise funds from fans,
(04:33):
and it amounts from twenty five dollars to a million
dollars depending. I'm a crazy ass rich guy. I went
to Illinois. But all right, so maybe I'm just a
freak for Illinois sports and I got crazy money. I
donate a million dollars to the Booster club, all right.
Number one, I'm going to be treated like a god
around there, and for some guys that's that's important anyway.
(04:55):
And then the boosters steer the money to athletes in
exchange for promotion or charity work. Quote unquote. That's where
the fight is raging whether booster collectives can still do that.
And there's a massive amount of money at stake these collectives.
These booster collectives made up more than eighty percent of
the estimated one point seven billion dollars in the college
(05:20):
nil market in twenty twenty four to twenty five, this
and the upcoming seasons. So there's going on two billion
dollars at stake in eighty percent of it is these
booster clubs. So if the court case goes the wrong way,
if the new NC DOUBLEA rules hold up, that's barring
boosters from doing this, one point four billion dollars could
(05:44):
vanish for the athletes. And then it gets into if
the boosters play ball and stuff like that. But what
it comes down to is the NC DOUBLEA rules say
it's got to be a legitimate exchange for use of
their name, image, likeness. You can't pay somebody five grand
to walk through your lobby. That's not a legitimate business exchange.
(06:10):
Telling a wealth Oh here's one guy who's in favor
of it, who says, telling a wealthy person who owns
a business that they can't pay a student athlete twenty
five grand for advertising because some third party tells him
he's overpaying, and the student athlete it's only worth ten
thousand dollars, not twenty five thousand dollars. You know, that
just doesn't feel appropriate to me personally. That's from a
guy who's in the thick of it.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
So at odds in the fight are the college's new
policing arm on one side, and lawyers representing athletes and
recently settled anti trust lawsuit against the NCUBA on the
other side. They're the nc DOUBLEA. The College Sports Commission,
which is a new thing, is trying to curb the
power and influence of the booster collectives, and the commission
set up a clearinghouse through which any player deal worth
(06:53):
more than six hundred dollars must be approved. And many
booster collective deals don't satisfy you a quote valid business
purpose because they don't license the players nil for commercial
product or service. They're just handing them money.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
When is there anything wrong with that?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
That's a good question.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I'm thinking about it, and nothing leaps to mind, honestly.
I mean, I get that the NCAA has rules that
are in the interest of protecting college sports from not
going just to bizarrero too, but morally financially, I am
(07:46):
so intent on you coming to Illinois and becoming the
quarterback to lift my beloved program out of mediocrity as
it's been mired in since Jeff George left the Field
Memorial Stadium Field. Anyway, if I'm so into that, I'm
gonna kick you up million bucks a year to come
(08:07):
and play quarterback for us. What's to stop me?
Speaker 2 (08:11):
So you've got some of the stuff that you know,
it was unfair for so long that these TV networks, universities,
all kinds of things would make money off these big
star players and they couldn't get a dime. That was ridiculous.
So I'm glad that got changed. But some of the
other stuff with rearrange in the league seems like nobody
made them do that, did they. That seems like a
(08:33):
killed the golden goose, got too greedy something or other.
Just bad decision making to me, ending all the rivalries
that made the sport so amazing for so many years.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah, that ruined a lot of it. Yes, it's awful,
It's unmitigated awful.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Like I've kind of checked out. I used to be
huge into college sports, but I just I don't even
know who's in what league anymore, who's the rival? And
then this whole thing that I don't understand at all.
They go through the whole season and then then that
little interim between the season and the playoffs. For different sports,
the players can move around and go to different teams.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
What the hell is that?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
So don't I don't even you lost me completely.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, every year the team is completely new through the transfer.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Portal, but it's near the same season. They change. They
change between the regular season and the playoffs. So what
are we doing? Enjoy it in your league. I hope
it works out for you.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
So, for instance, before every Tennessee home football game last fall,
this booster collective paid basketball, softball or baseball players between
five hundred dollars and five thousand dollars each to attend tailgates.
They organized. Wow, They're there to literally hang out with
fans and their kids. These are the type of deals
that hypothetically would be rejected if the negotiation doesn't come out.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
I think those should be allowed. They want to do that,
let them do it. Unless somebody's got an argument. I
I haven't thought of why that's untoured.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yeah, yeah, says one labor economist who's consulted in these cases.
It's pretty much anti American. The question comes down to,
is it reasonable to say it's okay for an athlete
to get paid a million dollars by his school, but
it's not okay for a group of community leaders to
supplement that income.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
The other thing that we've mentioned a lot is nobody
saw this coming, or if they did, they didn't say
it out loud. The being able to make money that
a lot of it would have to do with being hot.
Everybody understood that it would be the best running back
in the country is going to make a lot of money.
Nobody thought that a gymnast you've never heard of at
some program that isn't even that well known, but she's
(10:44):
hotter than everybody else might make the most money of.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Anybody, right posting cheesecake shots. Yeah, exactly, speaking of women
in sports. My final note anyway, is they're talking about
Texas Tech Mattador club that was one of the leaders
in this was founded co founded by a billionaire tech guy,
and among other of their headline making deals, they landed
(11:08):
a one million dollars softball pitcher. Wow, I'm in sports.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I know I had a U I want to say,
who I know someone I know who was young, who
went to a couple of big universities, and she got
a very prestigious degree from a very prestigious university. But
one of the universities she was at had a very
big time sports program, one of the biggest ones in
the country. And it bothered her so much that the
coach there made so much money. They paid the coach
like three million dollars a year in one of these
(11:37):
big you know. And I tried to explain that it's
just it's just a it's just a numbers thing that
coach brings in the more than the amount of money
they're paying him to the school. She was just appalled
that had existed, which I completely understand. I don't know
why we where we haven't given up on this whole
student athlete. It's part of the college. I mean, why
(11:58):
are we even pretending at this point? Just why why
make it a completely don't make them go to school
at all?
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Have it?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Is it a completely separate thing or I don't even
know what would make sense, but pretending it's just it's
just a part of the extracurricular activities, just to play
on the basketball team. And I mean, what are we doing?
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yeah, the threads that connect you know, if I watch
college football game or basketball game, the threads that connect
that to the university and traditional college sports are fraying
and disappearing in a hurry. I see what you're saying.
I don't know what it becomes then, but right now
it's merely an exercise in sub major league tribalism. Correct.
(12:42):
Why would I wrote root for well, you say this
of major league sports too. Why would I root for
an ever changing array of dudes wearing the orange and
blue of Illinois? Why?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
People do?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Because the way people are made, including me, apparently.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I can use my my family is kind of a
test case on college sports on how dead it is
or is, because there's still is into Kansas basketball as
they ever were, and all this stuff is occurring.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, so interesting and has very little to do with sports.
So I hope if you're a non sports fan you're
still listening. Thank you very much. Well, I guess that's it.
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