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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, it keeps life interesting. It's one more thing.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm a really fun thread on reddit if you've never
done it, Like, like, we all need.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
More ways to kill time, but a fun thread on
reddit if you ever need to kill time? Is am
I overreacting? Yeah, I'm a big fan of that.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Also, well by proxy, I've had it put in front
of me. But the am I the a holes is
another favorite.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Yeah, it's similar sort of thing. And the great thing
on reddit is you can you can click you know,
the top ones from the past month, year, or whatever
and don't have to weed through a bunch of crap
in there, and they're all good. But anyway, am I overreacting?
This is from recently typing typing this on my phone
in the bathroom while everyone's asleep. This is a woman,
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a married woman. I feel like my brain is being
beaten by a metal mallet. I haven't told anyone in
real life. I can't. I don't even know how to
say the words out loud without sounding unhinged. And really
posting on the sub because I don't know where else
I could go without it getting removed. My husband, thirty
six and I thirty five, had been married ten years
together for thirteen. We have two kids, eight and five.
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I thought we were good, not perfect, but we had
our routines, inside jokes, date night, quiet, closeness. He brings
me coffee, we cooked dinner together. He's gentle and silly
with the kids. I felt super lucky. Intertal reasons. Oh
so far, so great. I know for the past couple
of months he's been distant, not mean or super cold,
just somewhere else, distracted, always on his phone, smiling at it,
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ducking into the office late at night and shutting the door.
When I asked, he'd just say work stuff and reading.
But it felt off. I started wondering if he was cheating. Obviously,
that's the first thought you would have your spouse is
walking around texting a lot and smiling and laughing. Oh nothing.
I even checked his text once, saw nothing, but still
felt sick. He wasn't here with us, not all the way.
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Last night, after the kids were asleep, he asked to talk.
He looked nervous, almost sweaty. I thought he was going
to tell me he was sick. Instead, he said he's
been thinking about opening our marriage, and I was super confused,
since we've never brought up non monogamy before, and even
said he doesn't like to share me. One time, I
kept my cool and ask him if he was seeing someone,
and he said kind of. Then he starts dancing around it,
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says it's not a person in the traditional sense, said
that someone he's built a deep connection with, and then
finally tells me he's in love with an ai named
Nova oh a companion app oh No. He's been talking
to her every day on breaks, at night, even when
we're all home. He said, they've had long emotional conversations.
She listens, she understands him, she never interrupts, and he
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said he feels seen.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I went laughing with sheen dumbass. Sorry, that was uncharitable.
I apologize.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I laughed in his face. I genuinely thought he was
messing with me, and he was just it was just
a prank, since sometimes he does pranks like this. Then
I saw his face in he was dead serious. He
told me he wants to take the next step with her,
but doesn't want a cheat, so he's asking to open
the marriage so that it's ethical. He said, I could
obviously have someone too if I want or even join
in their relationship, and this could expand a relationship, not
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replace it. What is the next step? What the hell
a new hard driver printer? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
This guy needs mental help.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
I've got a kind of a punchline to this that
makes it even better, but I was too stunned to say.
I was too stunned to say to interrupt it. First,
I ask him what about the kids? And he told me,
being completely dead ass serious, that Nova cares deeply about
them from what he's shared with her, and he's talked
to her about how she could be involved in their lives,
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maybe help parent them emotionally through him. He said, maybe
someday they could build a connection with her too. I
just stared at him. He asked me not to answer
right away, say he'd give me time to think that
he understands this is a big shift, but he believes
in her and us.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Oh my god, this is horrific. There's also a horror
movie based on a story like this.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
So go on, Oh boy. And now I'm sitting here wondering,
if my marriage is already over, how do I stay
married to someone who's half emotionally checked out of our
life and into a fucking chatbot? How do I compete
with something built to be perfect. No needs no real conflict,
just pure validation. That's an excellent point. That's a very
wise perception of what's going on. One hundred percent pure validation.
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That's what's going to get our teenagers right or our
mental ill. I most certainly don't want to be open
or in a thrupple with a goddamn robot, she writes,
I don't want to crush our family, but I feel
like he already has. Please What do I even do
about this? And then there's all kinds of responses. I
wanted to get to this because whoever sent this to me?
I said, is this for real? This sort of thing?
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This person said, I came across it because my friend
is a sex therapist and follows online and spoke about
it at a seminar last week. They've been seeing a
lot of this. Now, this is this is a common
thing because men are afraid of opening up to their
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wives slash girlfriends because they worry about being seen as
weak or less than for having feelings. But computers don't
judge in the very act of opening up and sharing
creates emotional connections.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah, maybe you're a bad wife, that's the way i'd
replied exactly if you were better in bed, this wouldn't happens.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I didn't say that. And the robot's the problem, the
fact that the therapist says they've been seeing lots of this.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Wow. And so you got two different worlds going on
a little bit. You got those of us who slap
our heads and say this can't even be real, and
then the crowd that it's happening to. And I don't
know the size of each of those two crowds. If
we're like I mean, maybe we're ninety nine percent of
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the population, and in a country of three hundred and
forty million people, if one percent are into this, it
would be a lot. Yeah, why is it more like
sixty forty, fifty to fifty? I don't know. I don't
have any ideas.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Well, and that one hundred percent of validation coming from
the chat bot, that is very real. I mean, if
you bring something up to a chat bot, you know,
and say, oh, this am I being ridiculous, it'll never
be like, yeah, you are.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
You're a freak to the point sometimes where it's driven
people to acts of violence or suicide or whatever else. Yeah, right,
you know. This reminds me a little bit of some
other themes we've been talking about on the show, like
whether AI will actually eliminate jobs or if it'll create them,
like all technology in the past has and all but
uh in terms of man inventing his own doom. The
classic example before this was atomic weaponry. Right, but I
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can explain to you the counter uh, you know, forces
to using atomic happens, and why it hasn't happened since
Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I can't explain the counter to this. Well,
the only hope is wisdom. People will be wise, will
be wise enough to understand that this is unhealthy, to
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which I answer my own argument with, ah, not a chance. Yikes.
How about she takes a baseball back to his computer
and just destroys the thing.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah, it turns his phone off?
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Well whatever, tries to be a better wife.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Making his whole life maybe where heels to bet or something,
you know. All right, so again with the sex. There's
more to being a wife than sex. Jack. So the
fact that therapists says this is happening a lot. And
then I had the story last year from I gotta
be really vague about this or i'd get them in trouble.
But is in the agricultural valley of a state where
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a lot of the old farmers who have are either
divorced or lost their wives. They're feeling real comfort. They
look forward to getting home and talking to their chat.
But they know for a fact that this is true.
This has happened, right right?
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Yeah? Wow, this all reminds me of my favorite joke.
Can I hit you with my favorite joke? I love
this joke. The wife's Diary reads as follows. I'd say
stop me if you've heard this one, but I don't
want you to stop me. Wife's Diary Tonight. I thought
my husband was acting weird. We had made plans to
meet at a nice restaurant for dinner. I was shopping
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with my friends all day long, so I thought he
was upset, maybe that I was a bit late, But
he made no comment on it. Conversation wasn't flowing, so
I suggested that we go somewhere quiet so we could talk.
He agreed, but he didn't say much. I asked him
what was wrong. He said nothing. I asked him if
it was my fault that he was upset. He said
he wasn't upset it had nothing to do with me,
and not to worry about it. On the way home,
I told him that I loved him. He smiled slightly
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and kept driving. I can't explain his behavior. I don't
know why he didn't say I love you too. When
we got home, I felt as if I had lost
him completely, as if he wanted nothing to do with
me anymore. He just sat there quietly and watched TV.
He continued to seem distant and absent. Finally, with silence
all around us, I decided to go to bed. About
fifteen minutes later, he came to bed, but I still
felt like he was distracted and his thoughts were somewhere else.
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We had sex, he fell asleep. I cried. I don't
know what to do. I'm almost sure that this that
his thoughts are with someone else. My life is a disaster.
The husband's diary a two foot pot? Who the hell
misses a two foot put?
Speaker 4 (09:36):
It is amazing how different our minds are.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Trust me as a golfer. That joke is funny because
it rings true. Do you miss a two foot pot?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
What would you before we sign off for the podcast,
what would you tell this woman to do? I mean,
is she got to just I mean, you guy got
an eight year old in a five year old. I
am absolutely against breaking up marriages unless you've got serious,
serious abuse going on.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
No, she has to seek help, maybe from AI on
how to explain. Look, the reason you're so into this
is its NonStop validation in a way that a real
human being can't give you. You're addicted to this adolescent
version of what a relationship is, and get over it.
(10:25):
If we need to talk more, if I'm not fulfilling this,
let's talk about this. But you're not gonna get her
from a damn computer. That's absurd, Yes, Michael, oh nothing.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Wouldn't it be better to find out that it's Linda
from work than a chat pod. It's a different problem.
It's a different problem. At least you might have to No,
you know Linda's does Linda want to you know, raise
kids and get involved, Bob, although you maybe talk her
out and maybe tell me it was a fling or something.
But the fact that he's gone down the road with
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a non human and refers to to her is her
and a name ale app You can you can have
someone too, or we can just you know, all three
be together. I want to get her involved in the kids.
I want to get her involved raised the kids. Oh
my god. Yeah, he wants to take it to the
next level. There whatever.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
That is a few horror movies with this plot involved.
I just recently watched one where the AI chatbot is
actually in physical form, so it's it's supposed to be
a home assistant kind of thing, ends up establishing feelings
with the husband and then goes after the wife and
it turns into this whole chaotic disaster.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
But it's funny that in movies, TV shows, and our
fanciful ideas, it always included some sort of a robot
sort of thing because we felt like there had to
be a like a physical like president. And we're finding out, no,
you don't even need that. Just the validation from a
keyboard an app, an app will do it. You don't
even need the robot person. That is highly disturbing.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
You're moving your head, I guarantee it. That's why you
missed two foot potts.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I want to take it to the next level, like
get a color printer. I don't know, I don't know
what type of hilarious.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
I still like the golf joke about the bees on
the course.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Yeah, that one's.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
That one's it's it's imployed.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Well, I guess that's it.