January 2, 2026 • 36 mins
Featured in Hour Four of The A&G Replay...
- Jack Interviews Joe for his 60th Birthday
- Jack's New Gym Loud Guy
- Lesbian Robot Dogs Unite
- Using kind words in relationships
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Getty, Armstrong and Getty and Pee Armstrong and Getutty.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I'm already broken all of my resolutions. I got drunk today.
I didn't go to the gym. I eight donuts, so
I'm off to Badstone.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
My resolution is to have a higher resolution TV. It
occurred to me when I said the words, so I'm
all off to the store. Meanwhile, you enjoy some great
Armstrong Engetty replay. I understand you're going to interview me
on the topic of my milestone birthday, just so I
can get prepared.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Do you have a style in mind?
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Are you going to be like Scott Pelley, slow talking
and making me repeat everything? You're gonna make me cry
like Ellen DeGeneres. Do you have more of Charlie's approach
in mind?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Katie?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Joe and I were working together. Joe and I have
basically the same birthday. My birthdays in ten days, and
I'm turning the same age, so we are in the
same reflective age situation of turning sixty. His birthday is today.
Joe and I were working together when we turned thirty,
when we turned forty, when we turned fifty, and now
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when we turn sixty, that doesn't seem possible.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
That's amazing, but it really doesn't seem possible. No, that's
particularly given the hatred of each other that we share. Well,
just from a time standpoint, the one thing you can't
you can't.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
This is gonna be one of the things I want
to ask you about. Okay, well, I'll just ask you
instead of giving an answer first. That would be a
dumb way to interview.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Innovative. Got a couple of questions.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Okay, what does sixty feel like compared to what you
thought it would feel like when you were thirty, emotionally, physically, whatever.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Well, that that question assumes that I remember what I
thought when I was thirty or any point when you're no,
I see your point. Yeah, I think fairly similar. H.
I was never never particularly afraid of aging. I've never
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been particularly and particularly enthusiastic about the idea either.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
It would be enthusiastic about aging past like twenty one,
who would be enthusiastic about aging?
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Yeah, you know what, I think one of the formative
aspects of my life is that I've always been a
golf freak. And even when I was thirty five, I
played golf with guys who are seventy who were having
fun and good players, and we'd have a couple of
drinks afterward and a hoot, and so I saw. I
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don't know if you'd call them role models exactly, but
I didn't fear that.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
You have a thought, Katie, before I jump in, Oh no,
go ahead, I'm listening. I'm the exact opposite.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I've always assumed, like when I was in my twenties,
I assumed there's no way anybody over the age of
thirty was having fun, and uh, and I felt that
way by while life. I thought, there's no way you're
having fun in your forties. Fifty year olds aren't having fun. Certainly,
nobody's gonna have fun in their sixties. And if they're
like smiling and laughing, like you say, you see people
they just don't remember what fun was. This is as
good as it gets for them, but they're not actually
having fun. If there's one thing I could tell younger me, well,
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maybe that's the question I want to ask. If you
could tell thirty year old you, forty year old you, whatever,
twenty five year old something.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
What would it be? Now?
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Okay, you know me, I quibble about every question you do?
Is this like include?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Do you tell yourself? Don't quibble so much. It's a
waste of time.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
It could be so quibblesome people don't like it.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I'm wisdom, or.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
I'll just stick with wisdom for now, because I will
the reason I asked that question, and I can picture
it so vividly. It's causing giant emotional changes in my
brain right now.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
It was around in Gladys doon'et Pother.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Nineteen ninety eight to two thousand, two thousand and one,
when the talk show had just started because we realized
we had no future in music radio.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
We were doing a talk show between the records and
it was stupid, but.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
We'd started at our now home station in Sacramento, Toxis
fifty KST and of the forty five rated radio stations
in Sacramento, it was forty fifth when we took over
the morning show, and it was taking longer than we
had hoped to really grow it, just because the mathematics
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of it.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Lord knows, we had no marketing at that time.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I don't have you ever on a station or a
show Katie with no listeners, but I have. You can
say to your listeners, tell your friends to tune in,
but they got no friends, they aren't listening.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
There's nobody to tell anybody. I feel that. So yeah,
oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
And we had taken a fifty percent cut and pay
to get started in the talk radio. And I had
three little kids, including a baby, and I was so
stressed and so concerned that I was not going to
be successful in the one field I had chosen. And
(05:25):
you know this is not some sort of dumb, humble brag,
but I was one of those kids who people would say,
he has so much potential, Oh, you could do this,
or you could do that. And here I was going
to be a dead ender who couldn't support his family.
Miserable amounts of stress.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Oh. I dealt with it the best I could.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
So, I mean, if I could just whisper in my
young ear, it's gonna work out, okay that Oh my god, Yeah,
I'm gonna blove her. That would have been enormously helpful.
But wisdom wise, stay out.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Of the sun.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Yeah, oh my god, yeah, yeah, hey the sunscreen thing.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Take that seriously, dip.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Show videos of uh, I'd show videos to myself. Look
at this, and young me would say, what is that
device you're holding? I'd say, it's a cell phone. Don't
worry about it anyway. Watch this video of a dermatologist
cutting a chunk out of you. Oh god, I'd say,
what's your point? Why are you doing this? I'd say,
be careful with the sun.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Anyway.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
It would probably be you know, it probably be parenting advice.
You know you never get You'll never regret being patient.
If you got to bring the hammer down, you can
bring it down in an hour. Take a while, calm
down and think about what's the smart thing to do.
Probably because I was a very young parent by modern standards.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
If you're an older parent like me, your tea is
so low you can't really get worked up about anything.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Right, don't let me take off my suppler hose and
hitch you with him son.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
And you know, I know if they decided to run off,
I couldn't catch them. So yeah, you come back here
if you'd like. Eh.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
The old the whole perspective on time thing, the way
it changes when you get older, it's just impossible. There's
no point in trying to explain it to somebody. Who's younger.
Nobody could have I'm sure somebody tried to explain it
to me. I was like, whatever, old man.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Well, and you can believe it, but you can't relate
to it. The idea that no five years goes by
in the blink of an eye.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
You have to live that. Yeah, yeah, all right.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
I know my kids in this They've got a particular
reason to feel like this because I was an older parent,
so when I was a kid was a really long time.
You know, if you have kids in your twenties like you,
you're only talking about it twenty year gap in now
and when you were a kid. For me, it's you know,
nearly a forty year gap or whatever it is. Yes,
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so they can they really have good ammunition for what
you know about what high school is like. Is completely
irrelevant to me, But it's not. I look around their
high school, I see the stuff. It's the same thing, really,
just you know, the clothes are actually exactly the same.
They're wearing the same clothes, same hairstyles as when I
was in high school.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
But so much of it is the same.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
But you can't convince young people that you have like
really any understanding of their what they're.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Going through and between most of my child raising in
yours was the giant you know. It's like the ADBC
dividing line of smartphones. Yeah, and how that's changed everything.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
But the you know, but the wanting to have a
girlfriend and being nervous about asking them, just all that
sort of stuff is just Yeah, it doesn't seem any different.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I get.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
But I just remember hearing years ago we did a
big show and we turned forty, which is freaking twenty
years ago.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I can't believe that.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
But anyway, we did a big show when we turned forty,
and I remember hearing somebody say something about I think
he was ancient wisdom.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
But just.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
People.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
You can tell people you know how this is going
to turn out, or what your experience is shown, They're
still going to do it their way and find out
for themselves. It's just it just seems and that seems
to be way more true than not true. There's some exceptions,
but it's way more true than not true.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yeah, there's very little of the.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Wisdom and conventional wisdom about conventional thinking about aging and
what you're going to go through that has not been true.
But you do have to confront it on your own
and deal with it on your own and and it's
it's it's fine. You know.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
It's just to backtrack for one second, Joe, by standards,
did you have older, younger parents.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
At the time, very typical.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
My mom was twenty four, so twenty three or twenty
four when she had my sister than me a year later,
and then in her early thirties when she had her
last kid, my little brother.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Now it was practically everybody back in the day so
young ish.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
Because I was thinking about your outlook on life and
not really being worried about aging, and I was thinking,
my parents are older her standards about same with Jack
and his kids, almost forty years.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
And I think that kind of made it so I do.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
I'm not really worried about aging because I'm seeing them
in their older years and they're having a blast and
everything's good.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
You know.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Maybe I was wondering if that contributed. But you had
young parents, would have to would be like similar to
your story about being around golfers. But if you're around
your parents and you see them in their sixties or
seventies and doing stuff, right, I have to think I
would think yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
And oh go, I was just going to say in
a weird way when I was having those excruciating back problems,
and I'd say this with great sympathy to people have
ongoing back problems. Mine are much much better through common
of never ending physical therapy and workouts and stretching that
sort of thing. I was so miserable the last six
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months of being like fifty eight in the first six
months of being fifty nine, and I feel so much
better now. I feel like I've deaged five years. So
the idea that the calendar says otherwise, I just it's internally.
I know that's correct, but I feel really good. But
you're doing my recent standards.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
But you're doing that thing where they drain the blood
out of young homeless people and they put it in
youre right.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Not all homeless. Some of them have volunteers, but most
of them are homeless because they need the money. Draining
the blood of the young and injecting it into my
greedy veins.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah, I'm glad that's working for you.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
If I could get that going, man, I would you
have a question, Michael.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
No, I wasn't about this though.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
I was just thinking about the training the blood of
the homelessness that.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I was just thinking about what Joe said.
Speaker 7 (11:53):
You know, you guys started in two thousand and that's
when I started, and I was gonna tell Katie that
the show show you how low they thought of the
radio station. They used to tell me that, wouldn't you
like to come work on some other show or whatever?
And I refused to do it because I believed in
this show. I really did, and it drove them nuts.
(12:13):
They hated me, bless you for that. Yeah, not us them.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Yeah, the bosses were like, you know, you're pretty good talented,
which Michael is obviously. You know you should come work
over here in a real radio station. Michael's call on
not it was a great call.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Yeah. Just before we started nineteen ninety eight, they had
a serious meeting about just shutting it down and taking
it off the air to save the electricity and so
they wouldn't have to bother employing nice people or were
trying hard but weren't getting anywhere.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
It's like, this is not worth the trouble. Why don't
we just shut that radio station off?
Speaker 4 (12:48):
And it took several years, but what was it, four
or five years later we were number one in the
market and have been a good bit of the time
ever since.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
That is awesome. Wouldn't want to do it again, sweetheart.
It's the arm Strong and Getty Show. Armstrong and Jetty,
arm Strong.
Speaker 8 (13:13):
Hey, the arm Strong and Getty Show.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
I'm a regular at the gym now for like the
last six months since I moved because I got a
gym membership with this place I live, and I hadn't
been a regular in a gym for not a regular
for like thirty years, so it's been a long time,
pre cell phone era. Now they got signs everywhere, you know,
don't sit there staring at your phone on the equipment
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blah blah blah blah blah, because I see that happened
all the time. People do a set, then they start
scrolling and they don't realize ten minutes has gone by
before they get back to their second set. Yeah, you're
not working out hard enough. If got time to do that,
you're not serious the hell out the way. I actually
texted a buddy of mine who's like super hardcore into
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working out all the time. My main complaint, I'm gonna
get to in a second, but he hates stacks too
much weight on there and can't actually lift it. Guy,
I don't know why that bothers him.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
That is kind of funny.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
There is a super ripped guy at the gimis noticing
the other day, and he does about the lightest weights
of anybody in there, but his form is perfect, and
I thought all these other muscleheads should look at him.
They're trying because they got to show how much they're doing,
but they're like swinging their body around, which is not,
you know, isolating the muscle you're trying to wear. But
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this guy who uses a lightweight, he is so perfect
with this technique and he's really ripped. So I think
that's the key. But younger guys like to show how
much they can lift. But here's here's my least favorite
guy that I wanted to bring up this topic for
the slams, the weights down guy to show how free
making intense you are.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
I guess all the time. Oh no, that that lifetime ban.
I know.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
In this gym I go to, it's a private gym
and they've got signs up that say do not slam
the weights. They didn't have those signs until like a
week ago, and he's new. I think those signs are
aimed purely at him. It has not worked at all,
because I've seen I saw him in the gym again
last night, and I don't think anybody's got the guts
to go up to him and say, hey, could you
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not slam those weights down? Because he looks like he
would attack you and punch you in the face if
you said anything to him.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
He's just so intense.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Sure, and he stomps around and he lifts Hey did
he drops him on the floor, bang, bang klang, and
everybody jerks like you know, because you get startled when
you hear a loud noise like that. Oh, it's just
so uncomfortable being around him. But amen, tense, you started
tens armed tents.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
Yeah, you get kicked out of You'll get kicked out
of Planet Fitness for that.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Really, good for you. You're so freaking intense, you weirdo. Quit
slamming the weights around. Geez, we get it. You care
about being tough guy or something. You lift a lot
that needs yeah, needs exactly, yippie, But he just says
it every time, and it's it's more just like I
don't like big loud noises.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Right, yes, sudden loud noises, Yeah, they're kind of annoying.
Speaker 7 (16:16):
Yeah, there's always that guy that makes extra loud noises
just so everybody.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Looks over at him. Yeah, it's a combination of his
grunting and he's dropping boom. All right, all right, all right,
we get it.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Can you go to some heme man women haters club
gym where you all strut around about how cool and
testosterone laden you are and I don't know what you do,
count your chest hairs or do something but a different Jim.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Oh he's totally shaved. But anyway, oh yeah he is.
Actually call it a holes. Yeah, just you know, and
have the the O of the hole be a plate
on a bar bell A holes. The big guy lifting
it'll and form the own.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Jim called a holes and you like encourage that sort
of thing. And everybody wears the tank top with the
big loop so you see their entire body.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
They all have. That's the uniform that comes at the AHL.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Gym, right, and they're all gonna hit on the first
woman who walks in. Exactly one never will because you
know it's right there on the sign.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yes, lots of mirrors, lots of posing in the mirrors.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
And if somebody doesn't drop the weights, the other guys
have come over here.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
What the hell's matter with you? Man? You gotta drop
those wags. You don't seem tense or you're not a tent.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
It's Jack Armstrong and Joe, The Armstrong and Getty Show,
The Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Queer Canine Becomings, lesbian feminist cyborg politics and interspecies intimacies
in Ecologies of Love and Violence.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Oh, they have to be trolling that. I know that.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
It's by Chloe Diamond Leanou, who is an actual professor
at Eastern at the American University which is in New
York or somewhere.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
That sounds as one hundred percent as crazy as those
fake papers that James Lindsay and his friends put out, Yes,
which makes his point that things are so off the
rails that you can't tell the difference between something that's real.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
And what's not.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Yeah, exaggeration is completely impossible. God you can do is
what they did, and that's like equal the insanity, except
yours is completely fake but nobody can tell, which makes
the point.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
But you know, I feel like I ought to read
the abstract, but it's so long.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
I'll hit you with it because Jack said, I you
know it'd be interesting to get that whole paper and
see how much sense it made on any level.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
And you're right. But so here's the abstract.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
This article offers a queer lesbian feminist analysis attuned to lesbian,
queer trans canine relationalities.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
That really sounds like chicks having sex with dogs? Is
it not bestiality?
Speaker 4 (19:05):
I just I can't believe they're expecting me to plow
through another queer lesbian feminist analysis to into lesbian queer
trans canine relation analoties.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I just want to let you know this. Chicks pronouns
are she? They? The scene? I like that.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
I like your your activist pieces of crazy ass Marxist garbage.
Who who throw you the curveball of she? And you're
thinking her? But no, no, I use she and they.
If you call me her, I will be insulted. I'm
looking at her Facebook.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
Her profile picture is a purple fist with a banner
that says professor of lesbian dance theory.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I don't mind watching lesbian's dance. That's my only theory.
And somebody who makes a living doing that, yes, gets
paid professor dance theory. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
To indoctrinate children into this incoherent gobbledegook of theory. Okay,
so I just that was like that was the first sentence. Specifically,
the article places queer and lesbian ecofeminism in conversation with
Donna Harroway's work on the cyborg and companion species to
theorize the interconnected queer becomings of people, nature, animals, and
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machines amidst ecologies of love and violence in the twenty twenties.
It takes two key case studies as the focus for analysis. First,
the state instrumentalization of dogs and robot dogs for racialized
and imperial violence. Oh you got a little race in
there too. I didn't see that coming. I mean, you
got lesbian robot dogs. You wouldn't think there's time to
work race in. But that's where you'd be wrong. Let's
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see in the second I'm sorry, in the first article,
did I say that already? The article traces how dogs
are webonized as tools of state violence and proposes a
queer lesbian feminist critique of white supremacy and militarization that
can also extend to a critique of the violet's committed
through and toward the dogs in the second whoof the
article analyzes how within lesbian, non binary and trans dog intimacies.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
We got to stop there, don't we let.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
That they're having sights with dogs get to the fun part.
Really just started discussing that.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Transdog intimacies does does that mean like transgender dogs? That's
like a former boy dog who's now a legend bitch.
I prefer to use the technical term.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
I was taking it as the interactions between trans people
and dogs.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Oh see, I was with Joe. I sounded like a
trans dog to me.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
In the second the article analyzes how within lesbian, non
berry binary and transdog intimacies, dogs help articulate I think
you're right, Jack, queer gender sexuality and kinship formations and
as such, queer worlds for gender sexual and kin becomings.
The entanglements of violence and love in these queer dog
relationalities provide insights into the complexities of queer and lesbian feminists,
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feminist world building, and finally, lesbian and queer feminist cyborg
politics can help theorize the potentials and challenges of these
interspecies and tangled.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
So I'm going to take at least a shot at
what I think this is I appreciate the cyborgs in
the end because I was I was wondering where where
did they come from? I will be back you remember
that that was great. I think they believe.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
That that because of our systemic racism and culture, dogs
are raised in such a way to not be friendly
to the trans lesbian community, and they have some concern
that the robot dogs that are coming our way are
going to be the same. And then when you end
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up with robot people like cyborgs, now you're going to
have the robot dogs who are home transphobic, poorly treating
the robot humans. That's my guess that what this paper
is about.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
The hell.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
I think you may number one. I am impressed.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
Yeah, I mean I admire you even being able to
somewhat analyze that.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
I think you may be one notch off. And I'll
repeat the lessons lesbian in queer feminist cyborg politics can
help theorize the potentials and challenges of these interspecies entanglements. Well, no,
I think yeah, so so the relationship of a trans
person with a dog, robot or otherwise.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Can dogs are being raised to.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Be transmitted ache and they're concerned that when we have
robot dogs and robot people. It will continue. Then we'll
have transphobic robot dogs. How are you trans if you're
a robot though a person? What difference does it make
once you're a robot?
Speaker 2 (23:49):
What are we talking about?
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Yeah, you know what I'm with, Kitty. I'm reminded of
You know, you get somebody who's is like a complete
psychopath and does all these weird things, and will say,
what were they thinking? No, No, you can't come up
with a rational explanation for the irrational.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
You're wasting your time. You got to figure out, Michael.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
No, I was just thinking, this is why I took
aerobics in college.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Yeah, bowling, All right, I'm just going to pick a
sentence or two at random. At the same time, it
offers a model for a postgender world that can be
ironically blasphemous and subverts its origins in the appropriation of
women's bodies in a masculinist orgy of war and other
oppressive traditions, including the tradition of racist male dominated capitalism,
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the tradition of progress, the tradition of the appropriation of
nature is a resource for the production of culture, the
tradition of reproduction of the self from the reflections of
the other. One thing they sought to spend more time
studying is grammar like throwing a period now and again. Right,
so I can break it down by.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
Phrase masculinist orgy of war. That's a good band. Yeah,
I saw them at the warfield San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Oh yeah, yeah. Wow.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
She wrote this out and then threw it into chat
GPT and just said, make this as wordy and confusing
as humanly possible.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
I would love to take a class with one of
these people.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Love it.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
God, I gotta see if I can take a class, like,
I'm sure my universe sty has this sort of stuff
in the town I live in, UC Davis. Take one
of these classes and ask sincere sounding questions like just
fully indulge their bost just oh my god, you've really
hit something here with me, the masculine orgy of war
(25:43):
or whatever that phrase was. Expound on that for me
with you, and just let them go on with their right.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Well, what's revealing about this and so interesting and odd
is that this is again, I just picked another sentence
at random. In doing so, the article develops a queer
and lesbian feminist approach to living in coalition with the
more than human with attention to what Stephen's and Sprinkle
name in this journal issue is cosensing an ethical embodied
motive relating to the earth, a tune of the sensorial
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and activated through the erotic playfulness and joy. Every single
sentence is so, I mean, just stuffed full of jargon. Yeah,
it can mean whatever they say it means, or mean
nothing at all.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
I'm so happy to have become tutored by James Lindsay
and his books and his tweets about how this is
on purpose to make you feel dumb, because I no
longer feel dumb when I hear this stuff. I realize
you're trying to you're trying to, you know, pull the
wool over my eyes by using a bunch of phrases
and words that don't mean anything or only mean something
(26:46):
to you and make me feel dumb. So I'll sit
here and listen to this crap, right, and I don't
feel that way anymore, which is good.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Yeah, it almost becomes a riddle, all right, what are
they talking about?
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I'm reminded, you know, we God.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
We did not get enough mileage out of the cliff
that came out. Might have been during the crazy Columbia
demonstrations like last winter in which one of the leaders
of the Up with Terrorism, which is actually just down
with Western civilization. All of this boils down to tearing
down Western civilization. And this gal, because of course it's
(27:23):
an angry woman, was saying.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
You've learned your.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Colonialist theory and your gender theory, and your queer theory.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
And your March's theory or whatever.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
It's time to take all of your theories and put
them into action. And that was a really good kind
of summary what all of this is, all of those
wackadoodal theories that fall under critical theory are all just
different ways to attack Western civilization and bring it to
its knees so you can infiltrate it and usher in
(27:56):
your Marxist utopia. And all of this stuff is what
that looks like inside the sausage factory.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
It's something shut. I tell you this, I ain't gonna
pay for my kid to sit in one of those
classrooms and learn that crap.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
It ain't gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
If they somehow decide they really want that, they'll have
to take out a loan or figure it out on
their own.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
One more just one more? Can I please?
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Lesbian feminism, integrated with queer ecofeminism, animal studies and critical
posthumanisms provide tools to rethink non heteropatriarchal relations across more
than human realms. Queer ecofeminism involves liberating the erotic alongside nature,
queers and women, challenging the hierarchical dualisms that link mind, body, reason, emotion,
(28:48):
man woman. You can't bipoc human animal, nature, culture and
heterosexual queer.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
It's almost impossible to believe it's real. It's almost impossible
to believe it's real.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I'm convinced for be controlled by this she they.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
I can believe that somewhere in America there's a crazy
old man tunelessly playing the saw. You ever seen anybody
play the singing? I can believe that and accept it.
The idea that someone's paying them to do that and
they have tenure. That's where it gets crazy to me,
(29:27):
And that's what this stuff is.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
The most important thing we learned from today's podcast that
the purple fist represents what Katie.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Oh, stand.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
Your break, Yeah, professor of lesbian dance theory, Yes, the
purple fist is lesbian dance theory, or as Joey said,
your Scornchy's too tight around your rest you min.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Crutchy's too tight the Armstrong and Getty show, your show
podcasts and our hot lakes.
Speaker 8 (30:01):
See Armstrong and getting Show.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Your relationship can handle way more honesty than you think
it can in a new study from the University of
Rochester and Beautiful of State New York found that being
brutally honest with your partner benefits both of.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
You even if things get uncomfortable. Wow, I can't wait
to hear the examples. Clearly, Well, maybe I'm wrong. I
was going to say, clearly, don't fall under this category
that you know? Do I look fat in this? But
maybe I'm wrong. Are they going to say that you
should tell them you look fat as a hog in that?
Speaker 2 (30:31):
All right?
Speaker 4 (30:31):
So here's your methodology. Scientists examine two hundred and fourteen
romantic couples who'd been together an average of fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Researchers brought these couples into a laboratory and began jabbing
them with sharp sticks. No, I've made that part up.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
They had them.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Discuss something one partner wanted the other to change, the
kind of conversation most people dread having, and partners took
turns being the person requesting change and the person receiving
the feedback.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Of One of my best friends texted me on Friday
that can you believe it's been thirty two years? They
have been married for thirty two years, he and his wife,
And I remember him telling me one time he said,
sometimes you just gotta take a step back so they
can't hit you in, say an uncomfortable thing.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Anyway, So they brought the couples into the lab, had
them discuss something one partner wanted to change, the other
to change the and then vice versa. Before couples talked,
participants privately wrote down what they wanted their partner to change.
Then researchers compared what people wrote in private to what
they actually said out loud during the recorded conversations.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Now they then they also had another layer of it.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Independent observers watched all the videos a bunch of people
and rated how honest each person was being by comparing
their private thoughts to their spoken work.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
So is this like a situation where you were going
to I'm gonna I'm gonna tell them about their breath,
You know, when you write down, I'm going to tell
them that the breath is horrible and they need to
do something about it.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Something like that.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Sure, but then you get the yips when you have
to actually tell them when you like, yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Yes, I do, we do. Everyone does. Yeah. It's that
sort of thing.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
When people were more honest about requesting changes from their partners,
both people in the relationship reported better emotional well being
in higher relationship satisfaction immediately after the conversation, and researchers
found that the couples did not need to share the
same reality about the conversation for both people to benefit
from it. What mattered more was that people were actually
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actually were being honest and that their partners.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Perceived them as honest.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
So if I wrote down, I'm going to tell him
about okay, how about this scenario, I'm married to a woman.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
If I say, wait a minute, this is an announcement,
we love you, we care about you, it's fine.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
No, I would I think the other problem would complicate
the marriage with him because I'd have to at some
point say I'm not gay. So if you've no, it's
the lack of intimacy. It's because I'm not getting so
so if I was going to say to her, your
breath smells like a garbage dump, I don't need to
say it like that. But if I was going to
tell her the act, and then I get in there
and I say, look, there are certain things about you
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hygiene wise that I don't dig, or something like that,
because I get scared to just say it out loud.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
But if I said it out loud, it would be
better for.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Both of us, right not to be intensely hurtful, as
your quasi humorous example it was.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
But yeah, just be be frank.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
That's more like moral the honesty aspect of it. I
just come out on saying what you feel.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Yeah, to kind of jump to the end of it.
You are sending the message I am honest with you,
and that underlying principle of your relationship is much more
important than and the topic or any momentary discomfort with
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someone being honest with you, because it can be very uncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
On a better example, because I just feel like that
one wouldn't bother many people. I mean, if if somebody
tell me that'd just be oh, well, I need to
change things. They need to brush, I need to get
a mint to I need to build, but I wouldn't
be personally hurt.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Really, it could be a sexual thing.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
You know, we it's to this or that or not
enough this, or the way you do that is not
only not pleasurable, it's really annoying and off putting. And
you know there are ways you could put it that
were a little more gentle. But it could certainly be
something like that. Interestingly, researchers tested their findings across multiple measures,
including self reported emotional wellbeing, relationship satisfaction, and motivation to change.
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They also had trained observers rates the same factors. Patterns
held consistent across all measures, and interestingly, three months later,
many benefits persisted. People who had been more honest during
the initial discussion reported better emotional well being and were
more likely to see positive change in their partners over time.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Which makes sense. Hmm, oh, oh, here it is Jack.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
Study participants were not discussing minor annoyances either. Changes people
requested were specifically chosen to be topics they would find
uncomfortable to share real issues that could potentially caused conflict.
Yet even in these challenging circumstances, honesty proved beneficial.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Listen Pillow princess here, hold thisand or a trout and
she says, why the trut You're a like a cold fish,
that's what you're like.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Wow, that's so perfect.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
Well, yeah, that's that's that's really good because people love
a visual aids B metaphors and see the smell of
a trout right, yes, fish exactly.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
You're like this in bed, hold it, see how you
like it.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
There we go, and she would reply, I feel better
about our relationship.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
This was beneficial.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
Thank you
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Armstrong and joe Gatty the Armstrong and Daddy Joey
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Getty, Armstrong and Getty and Pee Armstrong and Getutty.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I'm already broken all of my resolutions. I got drunk today.
I didn't go to the gym. I eight donuts, so
I'm off to Badstone.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
My resolution is to have a higher resolution TV. It
occurred to me when I said the words, so I'm
all off to the store. Meanwhile, you enjoy some great
Armstrong Engetty replay. I understand you're going to interview me
on the topic of my milestone birthday, just so I
can get prepared.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Do you have a style in mind?
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Are you going to be like Scott Pelley, slow talking
and making me repeat everything? You're gonna make me cry
like Ellen DeGeneres. Do you have more of Charlie's approach
in mind?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Katie?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Joe and I were working together. Joe and I have
basically the same birthday. My birthdays in ten days, and
I'm turning the same age, so we are in the
same reflective age situation of turning sixty. His birthday is today.
Joe and I were working together when we turned thirty,
when we turned forty, when we turned fifty, and now
(01:24):
when we turn sixty, that doesn't seem possible.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
That's amazing, but it really doesn't seem possible. No, that's
particularly given the hatred of each other that we share. Well,
just from a time standpoint, the one thing you can't
you can't.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
This is gonna be one of the things I want
to ask you about. Okay, well, I'll just ask you
instead of giving an answer first. That would be a
dumb way to interview.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Innovative. Got a couple of questions.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Okay, what does sixty feel like compared to what you
thought it would feel like when you were thirty, emotionally, physically, whatever.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Well, that that question assumes that I remember what I
thought when I was thirty or any point when you're no,
I see your point. Yeah, I think fairly similar. H.
I was never never particularly afraid of aging. I've never
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been particularly and particularly enthusiastic about the idea either.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
It would be enthusiastic about aging past like twenty one,
who would be enthusiastic about aging?
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Yeah, you know what, I think one of the formative
aspects of my life is that I've always been a
golf freak. And even when I was thirty five, I
played golf with guys who are seventy who were having
fun and good players, and we'd have a couple of
drinks afterward and a hoot, and so I saw. I
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don't know if you'd call them role models exactly, but
I didn't fear that.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
You have a thought, Katie, before I jump in, Oh no,
go ahead, I'm listening. I'm the exact opposite.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I've always assumed, like when I was in my twenties,
I assumed there's no way anybody over the age of
thirty was having fun, and uh, and I felt that
way by while life. I thought, there's no way you're
having fun in your forties. Fifty year olds aren't having fun. Certainly,
nobody's gonna have fun in their sixties. And if they're
like smiling and laughing, like you say, you see people
they just don't remember what fun was. This is as
good as it gets for them, but they're not actually
having fun. If there's one thing I could tell younger me, well,
(03:34):
maybe that's the question I want to ask. If you
could tell thirty year old you, forty year old you, whatever,
twenty five year old something.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
What would it be? Now?
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Okay, you know me, I quibble about every question you do?
Is this like include?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Do you tell yourself? Don't quibble so much. It's a
waste of time.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
It could be so quibblesome people don't like it.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I'm wisdom, or.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
I'll just stick with wisdom for now, because I will
the reason I asked that question, and I can picture
it so vividly. It's causing giant emotional changes in my
brain right now.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
It was around in Gladys doon'et Pother.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Nineteen ninety eight to two thousand, two thousand and one,
when the talk show had just started because we realized
we had no future in music radio.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
We were doing a talk show between the records and
it was stupid, but.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
We'd started at our now home station in Sacramento, Toxis
fifty KST and of the forty five rated radio stations
in Sacramento, it was forty fifth when we took over
the morning show, and it was taking longer than we
had hoped to really grow it, just because the mathematics
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of it.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Lord knows, we had no marketing at that time.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I don't have you ever on a station or a
show Katie with no listeners, but I have. You can
say to your listeners, tell your friends to tune in,
but they got no friends, they aren't listening.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
There's nobody to tell anybody. I feel that. So yeah,
oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
And we had taken a fifty percent cut and pay
to get started in the talk radio. And I had
three little kids, including a baby, and I was so
stressed and so concerned that I was not going to
be successful in the one field I had chosen. And
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you know this is not some sort of dumb, humble brag,
but I was one of those kids who people would say,
he has so much potential, Oh, you could do this,
or you could do that. And here I was going
to be a dead ender who couldn't support his family.
Miserable amounts of stress.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Oh. I dealt with it the best I could.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
So, I mean, if I could just whisper in my
young ear, it's gonna work out, okay that Oh my god, Yeah,
I'm gonna blove her. That would have been enormously helpful.
But wisdom wise, stay out.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Of the sun.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Yeah, oh my god, yeah, yeah, hey the sunscreen thing.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Take that seriously, dip.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Show videos of uh, I'd show videos to myself. Look
at this, and young me would say, what is that
device you're holding? I'd say, it's a cell phone. Don't
worry about it anyway. Watch this video of a dermatologist
cutting a chunk out of you. Oh god, I'd say,
what's your point? Why are you doing this? I'd say,
be careful with the sun.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Anyway.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
It would probably be you know, it probably be parenting advice.
You know you never get You'll never regret being patient.
If you got to bring the hammer down, you can
bring it down in an hour. Take a while, calm
down and think about what's the smart thing to do.
Probably because I was a very young parent by modern standards.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
If you're an older parent like me, your tea is
so low you can't really get worked up about anything.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Right, don't let me take off my suppler hose and
hitch you with him son.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
And you know, I know if they decided to run off,
I couldn't catch them. So yeah, you come back here
if you'd like. Eh.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
The old the whole perspective on time thing, the way
it changes when you get older, it's just impossible. There's
no point in trying to explain it to somebody. Who's younger.
Nobody could have I'm sure somebody tried to explain it
to me. I was like, whatever, old man.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Well, and you can believe it, but you can't relate
to it. The idea that no five years goes by
in the blink of an eye.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
You have to live that. Yeah, yeah, all right.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
I know my kids in this They've got a particular
reason to feel like this because I was an older parent,
so when I was a kid was a really long time.
You know, if you have kids in your twenties like you,
you're only talking about it twenty year gap in now
and when you were a kid. For me, it's you know,
nearly a forty year gap or whatever it is. Yes,
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so they can they really have good ammunition for what
you know about what high school is like. Is completely
irrelevant to me, But it's not. I look around their
high school, I see the stuff. It's the same thing, really,
just you know, the clothes are actually exactly the same.
They're wearing the same clothes, same hairstyles as when I
was in high school.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
But so much of it is the same.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
But you can't convince young people that you have like
really any understanding of their what they're.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Going through and between most of my child raising in
yours was the giant you know. It's like the ADBC
dividing line of smartphones. Yeah, and how that's changed everything.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
But the you know, but the wanting to have a
girlfriend and being nervous about asking them, just all that
sort of stuff is just Yeah, it doesn't seem any different.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I get.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
But I just remember hearing years ago we did a
big show and we turned forty, which is freaking twenty
years ago.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I can't believe that.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
But anyway, we did a big show when we turned forty,
and I remember hearing somebody say something about I think
he was ancient wisdom.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
But just.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
People.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
You can tell people you know how this is going
to turn out, or what your experience is shown, They're
still going to do it their way and find out
for themselves. It's just it just seems and that seems
to be way more true than not true. There's some exceptions,
but it's way more true than not true.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yeah, there's very little of the.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Wisdom and conventional wisdom about conventional thinking about aging and
what you're going to go through that has not been true.
But you do have to confront it on your own
and deal with it on your own and and it's
it's it's fine. You know.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
It's just to backtrack for one second, Joe, by standards,
did you have older, younger parents.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
At the time, very typical.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
My mom was twenty four, so twenty three or twenty
four when she had my sister than me a year later,
and then in her early thirties when she had her
last kid, my little brother.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Now it was practically everybody back in the day so
young ish.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
Because I was thinking about your outlook on life and
not really being worried about aging, and I was thinking,
my parents are older her standards about same with Jack
and his kids, almost forty years.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
And I think that kind of made it so I do.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
I'm not really worried about aging because I'm seeing them
in their older years and they're having a blast and
everything's good.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
You know.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Maybe I was wondering if that contributed. But you had
young parents, would have to would be like similar to
your story about being around golfers. But if you're around
your parents and you see them in their sixties or
seventies and doing stuff, right, I have to think I
would think yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
And oh go, I was just going to say in
a weird way when I was having those excruciating back problems,
and I'd say this with great sympathy to people have
ongoing back problems. Mine are much much better through common
of never ending physical therapy and workouts and stretching that
sort of thing. I was so miserable the last six
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months of being like fifty eight in the first six
months of being fifty nine, and I feel so much
better now. I feel like I've deaged five years. So
the idea that the calendar says otherwise, I just it's internally.
I know that's correct, but I feel really good. But
you're doing my recent standards.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
But you're doing that thing where they drain the blood
out of young homeless people and they put it in
youre right.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Not all homeless. Some of them have volunteers, but most
of them are homeless because they need the money. Draining
the blood of the young and injecting it into my
greedy veins.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah, I'm glad that's working for you.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
If I could get that going, man, I would you
have a question, Michael.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
No, I wasn't about this though.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
I was just thinking about the training the blood of
the homelessness that.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I was just thinking about what Joe said.
Speaker 7 (11:53):
You know, you guys started in two thousand and that's
when I started, and I was gonna tell Katie that
the show show you how low they thought of the
radio station. They used to tell me that, wouldn't you
like to come work on some other show or whatever?
And I refused to do it because I believed in
this show. I really did, and it drove them nuts.
(12:13):
They hated me, bless you for that. Yeah, not us them.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Yeah, the bosses were like, you know, you're pretty good talented,
which Michael is obviously. You know you should come work
over here in a real radio station. Michael's call on
not it was a great call.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Yeah. Just before we started nineteen ninety eight, they had
a serious meeting about just shutting it down and taking
it off the air to save the electricity and so
they wouldn't have to bother employing nice people or were
trying hard but weren't getting anywhere.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
It's like, this is not worth the trouble. Why don't
we just shut that radio station off?
Speaker 4 (12:48):
And it took several years, but what was it, four
or five years later we were number one in the
market and have been a good bit of the time
ever since.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
That is awesome. Wouldn't want to do it again, sweetheart.
It's the arm Strong and Getty Show. Armstrong and Jetty,
arm Strong.
Speaker 8 (13:13):
Hey, the arm Strong and Getty Show.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
I'm a regular at the gym now for like the
last six months since I moved because I got a
gym membership with this place I live, and I hadn't
been a regular in a gym for not a regular
for like thirty years, so it's been a long time,
pre cell phone era. Now they got signs everywhere, you know,
don't sit there staring at your phone on the equipment
(13:47):
blah blah blah blah blah, because I see that happened
all the time. People do a set, then they start
scrolling and they don't realize ten minutes has gone by
before they get back to their second set. Yeah, you're
not working out hard enough. If got time to do that,
you're not serious the hell out the way. I actually
texted a buddy of mine who's like super hardcore into
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working out all the time. My main complaint, I'm gonna
get to in a second, but he hates stacks too
much weight on there and can't actually lift it. Guy,
I don't know why that bothers him.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
That is kind of funny.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
There is a super ripped guy at the gimis noticing
the other day, and he does about the lightest weights
of anybody in there, but his form is perfect, and
I thought all these other muscleheads should look at him.
They're trying because they got to show how much they're doing,
but they're like swinging their body around, which is not,
you know, isolating the muscle you're trying to wear. But
(14:42):
this guy who uses a lightweight, he is so perfect
with this technique and he's really ripped. So I think
that's the key. But younger guys like to show how
much they can lift. But here's here's my least favorite
guy that I wanted to bring up this topic for
the slams, the weights down guy to show how free
making intense you are.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
I guess all the time. Oh no, that that lifetime ban.
I know.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
In this gym I go to, it's a private gym
and they've got signs up that say do not slam
the weights. They didn't have those signs until like a
week ago, and he's new. I think those signs are
aimed purely at him. It has not worked at all,
because I've seen I saw him in the gym again
last night, and I don't think anybody's got the guts
to go up to him and say, hey, could you
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not slam those weights down? Because he looks like he
would attack you and punch you in the face if
you said anything to him.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
He's just so intense.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Sure, and he stomps around and he lifts Hey did
he drops him on the floor, bang, bang klang, and
everybody jerks like you know, because you get startled when
you hear a loud noise like that. Oh, it's just
so uncomfortable being around him. But amen, tense, you started
tens armed tents.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
Yeah, you get kicked out of You'll get kicked out
of Planet Fitness for that.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Really, good for you. You're so freaking intense, you weirdo. Quit
slamming the weights around. Geez, we get it. You care
about being tough guy or something. You lift a lot
that needs yeah, needs exactly, yippie, But he just says
it every time, and it's it's more just like I
don't like big loud noises.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Right, yes, sudden loud noises, Yeah, they're kind of annoying.
Speaker 7 (16:16):
Yeah, there's always that guy that makes extra loud noises
just so everybody.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Looks over at him. Yeah, it's a combination of his
grunting and he's dropping boom. All right, all right, all right,
we get it.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Can you go to some heme man women haters club
gym where you all strut around about how cool and
testosterone laden you are and I don't know what you do,
count your chest hairs or do something but a different Jim.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Oh he's totally shaved. But anyway, oh yeah he is.
Actually call it a holes. Yeah, just you know, and
have the the O of the hole be a plate
on a bar bell A holes. The big guy lifting
it'll and form the own.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Jim called a holes and you like encourage that sort
of thing. And everybody wears the tank top with the
big loop so you see their entire body.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
They all have. That's the uniform that comes at the AHL.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Gym, right, and they're all gonna hit on the first
woman who walks in. Exactly one never will because you
know it's right there on the sign.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yes, lots of mirrors, lots of posing in the mirrors.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
And if somebody doesn't drop the weights, the other guys
have come over here.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
What the hell's matter with you? Man? You gotta drop
those wags. You don't seem tense or you're not a tent.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
It's Jack Armstrong and Joe, The Armstrong and Getty Show,
The Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Queer Canine Becomings, lesbian feminist cyborg politics and interspecies intimacies
in Ecologies of Love and Violence.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Oh, they have to be trolling that. I know that.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
It's by Chloe Diamond Leanou, who is an actual professor
at Eastern at the American University which is in New
York or somewhere.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
That sounds as one hundred percent as crazy as those
fake papers that James Lindsay and his friends put out, Yes,
which makes his point that things are so off the
rails that you can't tell the difference between something that's real.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
And what's not.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Yeah, exaggeration is completely impossible. God you can do is
what they did, and that's like equal the insanity, except
yours is completely fake but nobody can tell, which makes
the point.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
But you know, I feel like I ought to read
the abstract, but it's so long.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
I'll hit you with it because Jack said, I you
know it'd be interesting to get that whole paper and
see how much sense it made on any level.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
And you're right. But so here's the abstract.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
This article offers a queer lesbian feminist analysis attuned to lesbian,
queer trans canine relationalities.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
That really sounds like chicks having sex with dogs? Is
it not bestiality?
Speaker 4 (19:05):
I just I can't believe they're expecting me to plow
through another queer lesbian feminist analysis to into lesbian queer
trans canine relation analoties.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I just want to let you know this. Chicks pronouns
are she? They? The scene? I like that.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
I like your your activist pieces of crazy ass Marxist garbage.
Who who throw you the curveball of she? And you're
thinking her? But no, no, I use she and they.
If you call me her, I will be insulted. I'm
looking at her Facebook.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
Her profile picture is a purple fist with a banner
that says professor of lesbian dance theory.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I don't mind watching lesbian's dance. That's my only theory.
And somebody who makes a living doing that, yes, gets
paid professor dance theory. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
To indoctrinate children into this incoherent gobbledegook of theory. Okay,
so I just that was like that was the first sentence. Specifically,
the article places queer and lesbian ecofeminism in conversation with
Donna Harroway's work on the cyborg and companion species to
theorize the interconnected queer becomings of people, nature, animals, and
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machines amidst ecologies of love and violence in the twenty twenties.
It takes two key case studies as the focus for analysis. First,
the state instrumentalization of dogs and robot dogs for racialized
and imperial violence. Oh you got a little race in
there too. I didn't see that coming. I mean, you
got lesbian robot dogs. You wouldn't think there's time to
work race in. But that's where you'd be wrong. Let's
(20:44):
see in the second I'm sorry, in the first article,
did I say that already? The article traces how dogs
are webonized as tools of state violence and proposes a
queer lesbian feminist critique of white supremacy and militarization that
can also extend to a critique of the violet's committed
through and toward the dogs in the second whoof the
article analyzes how within lesbian, non binary and trans dog intimacies.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
We got to stop there, don't we let.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
That they're having sights with dogs get to the fun part.
Really just started discussing that.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Transdog intimacies does does that mean like transgender dogs? That's
like a former boy dog who's now a legend bitch.
I prefer to use the technical term.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
I was taking it as the interactions between trans people
and dogs.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Oh see, I was with Joe. I sounded like a
trans dog to me.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
In the second the article analyzes how within lesbian, non
berry binary and transdog intimacies, dogs help articulate I think
you're right, Jack, queer gender sexuality and kinship formations and
as such, queer worlds for gender sexual and kin becomings.
The entanglements of violence and love in these queer dog
relationalities provide insights into the complexities of queer and lesbian feminists,
(22:00):
feminist world building, and finally, lesbian and queer feminist cyborg
politics can help theorize the potentials and challenges of these
interspecies and tangled.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
So I'm going to take at least a shot at
what I think this is I appreciate the cyborgs in
the end because I was I was wondering where where
did they come from? I will be back you remember
that that was great. I think they believe.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
That that because of our systemic racism and culture, dogs
are raised in such a way to not be friendly
to the trans lesbian community, and they have some concern
that the robot dogs that are coming our way are
going to be the same. And then when you end
(22:45):
up with robot people like cyborgs, now you're going to
have the robot dogs who are home transphobic, poorly treating
the robot humans. That's my guess that what this paper
is about.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
The hell.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
I think you may number one. I am impressed.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
Yeah, I mean I admire you even being able to
somewhat analyze that.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
I think you may be one notch off. And I'll
repeat the lessons lesbian in queer feminist cyborg politics can
help theorize the potentials and challenges of these interspecies entanglements. Well, no,
I think yeah, so so the relationship of a trans
person with a dog, robot or otherwise.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Can dogs are being raised to.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Be transmitted ache and they're concerned that when we have
robot dogs and robot people. It will continue. Then we'll
have transphobic robot dogs. How are you trans if you're
a robot though a person? What difference does it make
once you're a robot?
Speaker 2 (23:49):
What are we talking about?
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Yeah, you know what I'm with, Kitty. I'm reminded of
You know, you get somebody who's is like a complete
psychopath and does all these weird things, and will say,
what were they thinking? No, No, you can't come up
with a rational explanation for the irrational.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
You're wasting your time. You got to figure out, Michael.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
No, I was just thinking, this is why I took
aerobics in college.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Yeah, bowling, All right, I'm just going to pick a
sentence or two at random. At the same time, it
offers a model for a postgender world that can be
ironically blasphemous and subverts its origins in the appropriation of
women's bodies in a masculinist orgy of war and other
oppressive traditions, including the tradition of racist male dominated capitalism,
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the tradition of progress, the tradition of the appropriation of
nature is a resource for the production of culture, the
tradition of reproduction of the self from the reflections of
the other. One thing they sought to spend more time
studying is grammar like throwing a period now and again. Right,
so I can break it down by.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
Phrase masculinist orgy of war. That's a good band. Yeah,
I saw them at the warfield San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Oh yeah, yeah. Wow.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
She wrote this out and then threw it into chat
GPT and just said, make this as wordy and confusing
as humanly possible.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
I would love to take a class with one of
these people.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Love it.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
God, I gotta see if I can take a class, like,
I'm sure my universe sty has this sort of stuff
in the town I live in, UC Davis. Take one
of these classes and ask sincere sounding questions like just
fully indulge their bost just oh my god, you've really
hit something here with me, the masculine orgy of war
(25:43):
or whatever that phrase was. Expound on that for me
with you, and just let them go on with their right.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Well, what's revealing about this and so interesting and odd
is that this is again, I just picked another sentence
at random. In doing so, the article develops a queer
and lesbian feminist approach to living in coalition with the
more than human with attention to what Stephen's and Sprinkle
name in this journal issue is cosensing an ethical embodied
motive relating to the earth, a tune of the sensorial
(26:09):
and activated through the erotic playfulness and joy. Every single
sentence is so, I mean, just stuffed full of jargon. Yeah,
it can mean whatever they say it means, or mean
nothing at all.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
I'm so happy to have become tutored by James Lindsay
and his books and his tweets about how this is
on purpose to make you feel dumb, because I no
longer feel dumb when I hear this stuff. I realize
you're trying to you're trying to, you know, pull the
wool over my eyes by using a bunch of phrases
and words that don't mean anything or only mean something
(26:46):
to you and make me feel dumb. So I'll sit
here and listen to this crap, right, and I don't
feel that way anymore, which is good.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Yeah, it almost becomes a riddle, all right, what are
they talking about?
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I'm reminded, you know, we God.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
We did not get enough mileage out of the cliff
that came out. Might have been during the crazy Columbia
demonstrations like last winter in which one of the leaders
of the Up with Terrorism, which is actually just down
with Western civilization. All of this boils down to tearing
down Western civilization. And this gal, because of course it's
(27:23):
an angry woman, was saying.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
You've learned your.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Colonialist theory and your gender theory, and your queer theory.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
And your March's theory or whatever.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
It's time to take all of your theories and put
them into action. And that was a really good kind
of summary what all of this is, all of those
wackadoodal theories that fall under critical theory are all just
different ways to attack Western civilization and bring it to
its knees so you can infiltrate it and usher in
(27:56):
your Marxist utopia. And all of this stuff is what
that looks like inside the sausage factory.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
It's something shut. I tell you this, I ain't gonna
pay for my kid to sit in one of those
classrooms and learn that crap.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
It ain't gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
If they somehow decide they really want that, they'll have
to take out a loan or figure it out on
their own.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
One more just one more? Can I please?
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Lesbian feminism, integrated with queer ecofeminism, animal studies and critical
posthumanisms provide tools to rethink non heteropatriarchal relations across more
than human realms. Queer ecofeminism involves liberating the erotic alongside nature,
queers and women, challenging the hierarchical dualisms that link mind, body, reason, emotion,
(28:48):
man woman. You can't bipoc human animal, nature, culture and
heterosexual queer.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
It's almost impossible to believe it's real. It's almost impossible
to believe it's real.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I'm convinced for be controlled by this she they.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
I can believe that somewhere in America there's a crazy
old man tunelessly playing the saw. You ever seen anybody
play the singing? I can believe that and accept it.
The idea that someone's paying them to do that and
they have tenure. That's where it gets crazy to me,
(29:27):
And that's what this stuff is.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
The most important thing we learned from today's podcast that
the purple fist represents what Katie.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Oh, stand.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
Your break, Yeah, professor of lesbian dance theory, Yes, the
purple fist is lesbian dance theory, or as Joey said,
your Scornchy's too tight around your rest you min.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Crutchy's too tight the Armstrong and Getty show, your show
podcasts and our hot lakes.
Speaker 8 (30:01):
See Armstrong and getting Show.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Your relationship can handle way more honesty than you think
it can in a new study from the University of
Rochester and Beautiful of State New York found that being
brutally honest with your partner benefits both of.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
You even if things get uncomfortable. Wow, I can't wait
to hear the examples. Clearly, Well, maybe I'm wrong. I
was going to say, clearly, don't fall under this category
that you know? Do I look fat in this? But
maybe I'm wrong. Are they going to say that you
should tell them you look fat as a hog in that?
Speaker 2 (30:31):
All right?
Speaker 4 (30:31):
So here's your methodology. Scientists examine two hundred and fourteen
romantic couples who'd been together an average of fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Researchers brought these couples into a laboratory and began jabbing
them with sharp sticks. No, I've made that part up.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
They had them.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Discuss something one partner wanted the other to change, the
kind of conversation most people dread having, and partners took
turns being the person requesting change and the person receiving
the feedback.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Of One of my best friends texted me on Friday
that can you believe it's been thirty two years? They
have been married for thirty two years, he and his wife,
And I remember him telling me one time he said,
sometimes you just gotta take a step back so they
can't hit you in, say an uncomfortable thing.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Anyway, So they brought the couples into the lab, had
them discuss something one partner wanted to change, the other
to change the and then vice versa. Before couples talked,
participants privately wrote down what they wanted their partner to change.
Then researchers compared what people wrote in private to what
they actually said out loud during the recorded conversations.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Now they then they also had another layer of it.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Independent observers watched all the videos a bunch of people
and rated how honest each person was being by comparing
their private thoughts to their spoken work.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
So is this like a situation where you were going
to I'm gonna I'm gonna tell them about their breath,
You know, when you write down, I'm going to tell
them that the breath is horrible and they need to
do something about it.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Something like that.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Sure, but then you get the yips when you have
to actually tell them when you like, yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Yes, I do, we do. Everyone does. Yeah. It's that
sort of thing.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
When people were more honest about requesting changes from their partners,
both people in the relationship reported better emotional well being
in higher relationship satisfaction immediately after the conversation, and researchers
found that the couples did not need to share the
same reality about the conversation for both people to benefit
from it. What mattered more was that people were actually
(32:36):
actually were being honest and that their partners.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Perceived them as honest.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
So if I wrote down, I'm going to tell him
about okay, how about this scenario, I'm married to a woman.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
If I say, wait a minute, this is an announcement,
we love you, we care about you, it's fine.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
No, I would I think the other problem would complicate
the marriage with him because I'd have to at some
point say I'm not gay. So if you've no, it's
the lack of intimacy. It's because I'm not getting so
so if I was going to say to her, your
breath smells like a garbage dump, I don't need to
say it like that. But if I was going to
tell her the act, and then I get in there
and I say, look, there are certain things about you
(33:17):
hygiene wise that I don't dig, or something like that,
because I get scared to just say it out loud.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
But if I said it out loud, it would be
better for.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Both of us, right not to be intensely hurtful, as
your quasi humorous example it was.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
But yeah, just be be frank.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
That's more like moral the honesty aspect of it. I
just come out on saying what you feel.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Yeah, to kind of jump to the end of it.
You are sending the message I am honest with you,
and that underlying principle of your relationship is much more
important than and the topic or any momentary discomfort with
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someone being honest with you, because it can be very uncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
On a better example, because I just feel like that
one wouldn't bother many people. I mean, if if somebody
tell me that'd just be oh, well, I need to
change things. They need to brush, I need to get
a mint to I need to build, but I wouldn't
be personally hurt.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Really, it could be a sexual thing.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
You know, we it's to this or that or not
enough this, or the way you do that is not
only not pleasurable, it's really annoying and off putting. And
you know there are ways you could put it that
were a little more gentle. But it could certainly be
something like that. Interestingly, researchers tested their findings across multiple measures,
including self reported emotional wellbeing, relationship satisfaction, and motivation to change.
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They also had trained observers rates the same factors. Patterns
held consistent across all measures, and interestingly, three months later,
many benefits persisted. People who had been more honest during
the initial discussion reported better emotional well being and were
more likely to see positive change in their partners over time.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Which makes sense. Hmm, oh, oh, here it is Jack.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
Study participants were not discussing minor annoyances either. Changes people
requested were specifically chosen to be topics they would find
uncomfortable to share real issues that could potentially caused conflict.
Yet even in these challenging circumstances, honesty proved beneficial.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Listen Pillow princess here, hold thisand or a trout and
she says, why the trut You're a like a cold fish,
that's what you're like.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Wow, that's so perfect.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
Well, yeah, that's that's that's really good because people love
a visual aids B metaphors and see the smell of
a trout right, yes, fish exactly.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
You're like this in bed, hold it, see how you
like it.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
There we go, and she would reply, I feel better
about our relationship.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
This was beneficial.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
Thank you
Speaker 1 (36:00):
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