September 1, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 4 of the Monday, Sept 1, 2025 A&G Replay contains:
- Craig Gottwals on getting second opinion from your doctor & AI Technology
- Jack's July NYC Vacation- need a new term for homeless
- Gary Dietrich talks to Jack about redistricting & Gavin Newsome
- Jack's Argument at the Bank
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Caddy arm.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Strong and Jetty and now he Armstrong and Catty Strong
and who we used to call.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Craig the Obamacare Lawyer back when we were trying to
work our way through what the hell Obamacare was or is,
which continues to be the law of the land, right Craig, Welcome,
Craig Gottwaals. Obamacare is. It's just just became status quo
as we all predicted it would be, and all of
our deductibles went way, way, way, way up, and we
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all just accepted that that's the way they're going to
be for the rest of our lives.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
So that's why that turned out.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Hey, I do have a quick health related thing for
you before we get into some other stuff that you
and I were or texting about last night.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I got a friend.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Who's got a pretty bad health diagnosis, and I suggested, man,
you ought to get a second opinion. But people throw
around the whole get a second opinion like it's easy
to do. I've never actually done it. How do you
even go about doing that? Does your insurance like you
do that, what do you do? Do you go to
a completely different doctor group or what is that?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
What is the second opinion?
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Yeah, some of that's going to depend on what kind
of plan you're on, whether it's a PPO or an
HMO or like what we call an open access plan.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
But what do most people have to do? Let's start there.
What do most people have? Who have people in.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
A company healthcare some form of a PPO. Okay, yeah,
that's what I thought. Most of us have have PPO.
So if we have a PPO, how do we get
a second opinion?
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Yeah, the easiest way to get a second opinion in
that case would be to pick a different primary care
doctor in a different medical group and just go through
the process again.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Because if you stay with and go through the.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Whole process again, go through the whole process again, while
you're probably not feeling very good, maybe feeling terrible.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Yeah, it's at that point. So it's going to come
down to how much you trust your doctor and the
medical group, because if you stay within the same medical group,
they're going to have a pretty strong bias to confirm
what's already been done.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Well, that exactly that's what I want a second.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah, there's two things wrong with several things wrong with that,
and it's a tell me, it's not a common phrase,
Well you should get a second opinion. People throw that
around all the time like it's an easy thing to do.
But so I'd have to go through the whole process.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Am I am?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
I kind of like half firing my primary doctor I've
had maybe for years, I'm probably friends with at this point.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
How offended is he or she going to be? Well?
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Most plans will have a mechanism in there for a
second opinion so that it's not so that you're not
now if it's an HMO, which a lot of people
are on in larger cities, that kind of are firing
that doctor because you'd pick a different primary care doctor
come back to them in a future month. But most
PPOs will have a mechanism you can do it. The
other way to do it, if you have a little
bit of means at all, is to go out into
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the market and find a direct primary care doctor somebody
who's left the system and sees you for like one
hundred or one hundred and twenty five dollars a month fee.
That way, you can keep doing what you're doing with
your system doctor on your planet work, for example, But
then you can spend a couple hundred dollars and go
off to the side and see one of these direct
primary care doctors who's left the system and will then
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give you a truly independent analysis that if you have
some means at all, that's what I would recommend.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Okay, that's a little frustrating.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
I mean, they don't offer that up to you, certainly
after they give you a diagnosis. And the one thing
I learned, and I tell people all this time, the
main thing I learned from when I had cancer is
there's a lot of guessing. There's way more guessing than
I ever believed was the case. And you can talk
to a couple of different people and they have completely
different opinions. So well, not just cancer, I mean all
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these complicated I mean, sure, if we just start looking
at autoimmune diseases and then the way these the new
the new drugs are affecting that, it's it's, you know,
because of what I do. I have a lot of
good friendships with doctors, and it's shocking how you can
talk to two very well respected doctors that have been
doing this for decades and they'll have incredibly different opinions
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on how you should treat X, Y or Z, especially
when we get to like autoimmune or even cancer YEP.
I have that execsis situation with my son where they
I have two PhD level, been around forever people with
almost one hundred and eighty degree apart opinions, and what
am I supposed to do with that information?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Anyway?
Speaker 3 (04:39):
That's enough of that health stuff for now, So this
is interesting. So we talked to I Know your Friends
with Tim Sanderfer. We had Tim the Lawyer on Last Hour,
and we were talking about AI and all the different
sort of stuff. And I'm fascinated by AI, and I
read lots of books and listen to a lot of
podcasts because I think it's I think it's going to
be a really big deal. I don't know if it's
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good to be as big as fire, like the guy
from Google says to mankind the invention of fire. But
I mean, if if it's half that, it would be
shockingly huge. A lot of people are worried about AI
taken so many jobs. We're gonna have to come up
with some sort of guaranteed income thing to pay people
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to stay home and play the flute because there just aren't.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Going to be enough jobs. AI is going to take
it over.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Tim says, this is going to be like every other
technology that's come along. It's going to develop all kinds
of new jobs that you've never even thought of yet.
It'll take care of itself. The cotton gin didn't eliminate
all farm workers. It started all kinds of other different
things and you end up with more jobs. Where are
you on that question? Because Tim Tim Tim thinks now
that he's not worried about it.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I am. I think it's going to destroy the entire world.
Go ahead. I fall much closer to Tim. I hope
you're both right.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
I'm using it. I'm using it every day at work.
In fact, everybody in my office is. We're using it regularly.
And what it's done is it's allowed me to just
become so much more efficient with not wasting a lot
of time on some of the more menial tasks that
I don't want to have to burn time on.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I can use.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
AI to standardize and templatize a lot of the things
that I'm doing quickly. I'll give you an example, Jack,
because you know I'm a lawyer and I'm reviewing healthcare contracts.
Just recently, I took six different Pharmacy Benefit Manager PBM contracts.
So it's the part of your health plan that deals
with all the drugs. Six different contracts. All of them
were between fifty and one hundred pages. I uploaded all
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of them into chat GPT, I said, and then I
gave it like a whole page of instruction on what
I wanted. I wanted to compare and contrast this. I
wanted to know the weaknesses and strengths. I wanted to
know where I could find a B and C and
D in each contract, and I wanted it to put
it all in a grid for me.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
So it did.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Within like ten minutes, I had this unbelievable chart that
it spit back to me, where then I could go
back and just hit the highlights of the contracts in
my review. Now, where that would be devastating is if
you had zero idea what you were doing, if you
weren't a healthcare attorney, for example, and you didn't know
where it was wrong. Because it's wrong, as you guys
have reported, it's wrong a good clip of the time.
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It'll make things up or it'll have something totally off.
But when you're already an expert in an area to
take care. I mean, it saved me four hours doing
what it did, and then I could just spend one
hour fine tuning it and making it exactly what I
needed to see from my clients.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
But you do have the problems of hallucinations or whatever.
It just makes stuff up. Now that absolutely, Yeah, you
have to watch it.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
What I tell my coworkers is when it tells you
something that you think is just maybe not quite right,
you have to tell it give me a source for that,
and then you have to hit that source and you
have to go look at it because it will get
things completely wrong. I've read the stats that say fifty
percent of the time. I think that's too high, but
I see it getting things wrong twenty percent of the
time anyway.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Really, Okay, that's interesting.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Yeah, Well it sends you to a link that doesn't exist,
or it just says something that's not right.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Okay, So I asked a lot of questions that I
have no expertise in, and so it could maybe it's
lied to me way more often than I realize. And
then I probably repeated on the radio. But I'm I'm
I've mentioned this a thousand times. I'm reading the book
Ulysses by James Joyce. I'm trying to fight my way
through that book. And I've been using chat GBT when
I get stuck on something. But I had one the
other day where it was just I knew it was
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completely wrong, like just as wrong as wrong could be,
And I wonder how often that happens. I asked a question
yesterday about taking zinc when you got a cold, and
the information it spit out for me for different ages
and different studies and stuff like that, as far as
I know, was absolutely fascinating and so fast.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
So which you mentioned chat GPT several times.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
There's a whole bunch of AI apps or programs or
whatever you can call them chatbots out there.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
How many of them are you using?
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Yeah, so I'm using I'm using an upgraded version of
chat GPT that I've paid for and I've trained with
a lot of what I do for healthcare law.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Do you think the paid for one is Do you
think the paid one paid for one is worth it
for the average person or only if you have an
expertise in something.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
I think if you're using it for work, the paid
for one is worth it. I mean if you're just
using it for for fun and for social you know,
I don't think you need to pay for it, but
I lean on it pretty heavily at times and chat.
GPT seems to be the best one for like legal
analysis and writing and writing templates when I have to
when I start working with Excel spreadsheets, for example, when
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I want to compare large Excel spreadsheets and I want
to I want to have AI shortcut some of that
for me, I find that Gemini Google's seems to be
the best one for me in that lane. And then
the other thing that we use a lot at work
because we do a lot of presentations for clients and
a lot of visual stuff. Will use mid Journey to
create art and imagery, which is I think the industry
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leader easily for you know, creating those pictures in those
and those slides that are.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Oh so if you want to do it in really
you want to do images and stuff, you like mid Journey,
which I'd never even heard of.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Mid Journey.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Yeah, mid Journey is amazing. And I actually learned that
an artist friend of mine in the Bay Area who said,
that's the only one artists you're using is mid Journey.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Jar that, Katie, because I know you do a lot
of that. That's a good one. Mid Journey is And
is that just something like I can put on my
phone getting that.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Yeah, it's just a weblink or there's probably an app,
but I just I just hit it on a on
a on a web page browser. And I actually do
pay for the upgraded version of that one as well,
because we hit it a lot for creating. You know,
you see a presentation at your job, right and you
get so sick of seeing the same clip art over
and over. Well, we'll just use mid Journey to create
unique art.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
That way.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
I know that when I'm giving a presentation to a client,
they've never seen this imagery before. It's not you know,
some stock imagery, but that Journey. We hit it, but
use a free version of it as well.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Mid Journey.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
I'm looking for it, Okay, I haven't missed around Google Gemini.
I need to do that, just because I know they're
pouring so many billions of dollars into that sort of thing.
Because there's a big belief among Eli and uh Eli,
Elon and Google and you know a couple of different
people that whoever emerges as the leader there's trillions of
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dollars involved in that, and it's worth trying to be
the best. So I need to figure out what Gemini
is up to.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
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hot dogs and buns in ten minutes. The Nathan's Famous
Fourth of July Champion of the.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
World, Joey Chestna, how do you feel?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I was excited. I love being here, man, I wish
I ate a couple more. I'm sorry, guys, I'll be
back next year.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
That's greatness. That is the voice of greatness. Joey chest
Sweat Eat seventy and a half dogs. I considered going.
So we were in Manhattan and the boys for vacation,
and we watch every Fourth of July since they were little.
We watched the hot dog eating contest on ESPN two,
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and it's kind of a family tradition to watch that.
And yeah, and I was right there and could have gone,
but I thought I just did the crowds and fighting
and there and the hot sun, so I didn't go.
But maybe I missed out in a lifetime memory right
there by not watching a guy shove as many hot
dogs in his mouth as he possibly could in a
short amount of time.
Speaker 7 (12:22):
I think that is one that well, he absolutely did
you did you passed on dream memory for your kids.
On the other hand, it's the sort of idea that
seems like a great one. Then you think about how
long is it going to take us to get to
Coney Island, right.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
And then you know the basically a day to two
thirds of a day of vacation do I want to
spend that's kind of slow jam hot dogs into their
maws for five minutes.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
AnyWho.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
We just did a story about a woman that was
attacked by a homeless person in California. My only reaction
to that story is yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't
like the term homeless person, and I don't blame you.
We need a quick, short term for these people. Crazy person.
I'm fine with crazy person.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Or I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
That's not accurate either, because it's not all mental illness.
It's way more drug crazies than anything else.
Speaker 7 (13:15):
That's why I like the term vagrant because it kind
of lumps everybody. It covers everybody. I like a transient
drug addict, but it's a little cumbersome, and maybe some
of these people aren't drug addicts.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Although the vast majority are. But the reason I'm on
a jehot about this is if you make the fundamental
focus of describing that person their lack of a permanent address,
then people think, well, that's that's really unfortunate. They don't
have a home, and we need to solve that problem. No,
the problem is there a drug addict. Yeah, more a vagrant,
Which is kind of hints at the reason I wanted
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to bring it up in conjunction with being in New
York City is I saw I see every single day
in the college town I live in more drug crazy
vagrant street people that frightened me every day than I
saw in Manhattan walking around for three days. That shouldn't
be Yeah, that's nuts. On its own, there aren't none
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in New York. But what I mean, if you're from California,
from a big city in California, or even a small
city as I just said, it is refreshingly bum free
to be in New York and.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
It shouldn't be that way.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Maybe if you're from I don't know, Omaha and you
go to New York, you can think, oh my god,
there's scary street people around. But for us, it was like, wow,
it's so nice to be able to walk the streets
without every ten feet you're wondering if this person's gonna
stab me in the eye with a broken bottle. Yeah,
it has been useful as a bicoastal American to observe
the differences in outcomes directly tied to policies. I mean,
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it's not mysterious, it's not difficult to understand.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
If you make it.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
As easy and comfortable as possible to be a jobless
drug addict, you will have more jobless drug ada. Do
you think that's doing those people of favor on any level?
I would argue strenuously as not.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
It's the opposite. The one thing I did see in
New York that bothered me a lot.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
On the fourth of July, we were standing in the
spot where George Washington took his first oath of office
as the capital of our fine country was in New
York City.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Right there.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
It's a big, old, cool federal building basically across from
the New York Stock Exchange in Wall Street. It's still there,
and they've got a big cement platform that they've taken
out of the ground and it is now standing up
with an inscription on it and that's where George Washington
stood to take the first oath, which obviously is a
very very big deal for the world, not just for
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the United States. But so, while we were bumping around
the southern tip of Manhattan on the fourth of July
and went over to see the Statue of Liberty and
a variety of different things, so many of the artifact
of our history of freedom of independence. We're surrounded by
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barriers because there is so concerned about protests, and I thought, so,
this is the way we handle it. We handle it
on the end of the deal of the protests by
putting a barrier around the statue so I can't look
at it to protect it from the protesters, as opposed
to what we're always advocating, arrest these people and make
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it so miserable to get arrested for defacing you know,
a statue like this, that you don't do it where
we're catching it on.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
The wrong end.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
You need to catch it on the front end, so
people aren't motivated to do it right now. People know
they can get away with spray painting this statue of
whichever founding father, so.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
They have to cover it with all kinds of barricades.
And tape it stuff like that, you can't even see
it as a tourist.
Speaker 7 (16:50):
And if you just talked out some of these things
that we do that are so nuts, these dacing if
you were to describe, all right, we have a variety
of ways we're proposing to deal with the fact that
angry protesters who've been miseducated and indoctrinated in our government
schools want to tear down the artifacts of our founding.
Here is one plan, and I would spell it out,
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and that includes covering up the monuments and statues so
no one can see them. That would be roundly rejected.
People will say, I don't care what else is in
your stupid plan.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
You're missing the whole freaking point of having this statue.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
What's your next plan?
Speaker 3 (17:25):
And yet that idiotic plan is the one we've gone with.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Come on, America, we can do better than this.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
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Speaker 5 (17:41):
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Speaker 1 (17:45):
Show, thank you.
Speaker 8 (17:51):
And in this nationwide war over redistricting, we've seen the
two biggest states go first, the biggest red state, Texas.
You mentioned those five inditional seats. Yeah, and there's not
a lot of blue. They're squeezing that big time. Now,
what we're seeing the opposite in California where the Democrats
under Gavin Newsom are putting a map on the ballot
for voters this fault that could get them those five
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seats back. So that would make sure only four Republican
seats forty eight for the Democrats.
Speaker 9 (18:18):
So we're standing up. This is not about parties. It's
not about you know, redistricting lines. It's about holding the line.
It's about protecting all of us, regardless of political party.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
It's about power at the end of the day, is
it okay?
Speaker 3 (18:34):
So the math on that there are fifty two congressional
seats in California. If Gavin gets his way, four of
those will be Republican. So even though about thirty eight
percent of Californian's voted Republican last time around, they would
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only have.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Seven percent of the seats. So nearly forty.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Of the people who vote in California vote Republican, but
only seven percent of the representation in the House.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Well that sounds fair.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Whatever, we welcome back to the Armstrong and get to
show our old friend Gary Dietrie, how are you, Gary.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
Hey, Jack, good to be with you. And one thing
we now for sure, this scientific study has come out,
Joe Jack. There's been now more citations of redistricting in
the last thirty days than in all of human history.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
By no kidding, no kidding. Not a hot topic, usually
says here. You are a CBS News political analyst. Now, congratulations, Well, thank.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
You, my friend. Yeah, you know, I've been based in
the state capitol, California for some time. But you know,
as things continue to grow and all the rest of
the good stuff, you know, and I think they guess
that make sense to them. I'm now doing national TV
and radio for CBS as well.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Of course, the reason we have you on today is
to talk about the backlash against the cracker barrel remodels.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Everybody very angry.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
You know. I got to tell you that's so funny
you mentioned this. I was thinking over the weekend. I
have never in my lifetime seen a car brand flip
politically in six months, a beer brand, a beer brand
flip politically in thirty days, and a beloved pancake house
and I don't know, fried chicken. Whatever you do the
same thing in about two hours.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
It's unbelievable, it really is. That's a very good point.
We'll have to discuss that later. You got to really watch.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Your uh, your pr currently is a big company. But anyway,
we're going to talk to you about redistricting, among other things.
First of all, what's the likelihood that this passes? Have
you seen any polling on this in California?
Speaker 6 (20:38):
Yeah, in California. Here's the problem for Democrats that when
the polling was done a couple of weeks ago, just
on the concept would you like the independent Citizens Commission
or do you want it to go the power to
go back to the legislature. Jack, This is quite remarkable
to me. Actually two thirds of voters said, now, we don't.
We don't want to go back to the legislature's control.
We wanted to stay in the hands. And that, by
the way, wasn't just led by humplicins and a large
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percentage almost twenty percent independency in California, but a vast majority,
almost sixty percent of Democrats said that. So that's a
big headwind. Now when you start talking about this measure
in specifics, people are just beginning to get pulled on it.
But right now, the most recent numbers I saw, Jack
had about forty eight percent in support of it. There's
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a general rule of thumb in California about pompositions. If
you don't start your campaign with over fifty percent of
the support, you've got a big, big road to hope.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Oh interesting, Well that that is, uh, that's good to
know going forward with this, not to read it. We
just had Congressman Tom McClintock on and he kind of
went through the history of jerrymandering, although he is the
correct pronunciation of Gary mandering.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
But yeah, I wanted to know I had nothing to
do with that, though it's a different spelling Gary than
me his that's ge r wise. So I did not
have anything to do with the start of Gary mandarin.
I want you guys to.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Know, gotcha. But so we all go through the history
of that again. But liked, people have been jerry mandering
since the country starting. There's lots of blue states as
that are all jerry mandered the heck as we all know.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
And now it's just.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
But isn't Gavin's main goal if this gets shot down?
Doesn't he want just to be the face of the
resistance isn't that his main goal?
Speaker 6 (22:18):
Well, you know, you know, I never tried to get
inside a politician, ed. But if you look at the
sort of factual evidence of that in the last twelve
to eighteen months, Jack, you.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Know very well.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
I mean he's been in red states all over the country,
raised ten million dollars in a pack to do that,
took up billboards in Florida and Texas, famously debated the
governor of Florida on the Sean Hannity Show of all things.
I mean, he's you know, had it own podcast, you know,
the story with Bannon on it and Charlie Kirk. I mean,
he's been he's been auditioning for the White House here
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officially unofficially for last year plus.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
How do you like his chances?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (22:56):
In twenty eight?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (22:57):
Well, well here's the deal. We have some recent numbers.
This is really interesting. In California, his own home state,
he has now surged a head of Kamala Harris as
California Democrats twenty eight choice.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Hold Kamala Harris.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
I can't believe anybody's even talking about her.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
Still, good lord, Well, I'm just telling you the numbers. Okay,
and California Democrats. California Democrats had her in the lead
as their choice, and then just in the last thirty
days Gavin surged ahead. Now nationally, there hasn't been a
lot of good national polling on this in the last
couple weeks. But what's interesting, Jack, is the movement on
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the so called odds. Okay, Now, why are odds? Why
would people care about that over polling? Because odds take
in it and these are being watched by the way,
very carefully and reliably by many political sources in the
US these days. Why because polling is one measurement, right,
if there's snapshot in time, it takes time to get
a poll out in the field and then you get
it back. Odds take into account other things, what a
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recent news cycle there, et cetera, et cetera. What does
fundraising look like? And Gavin Newsom has moved into the
lead nationally in the odds for the twenty eight race
of the Democratic nomination.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah, that's interesting, and that was his goal. He wants
to be.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
As close to as a presumptive as he can possibly
get heading into the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Obviously, and again.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
The Democratic Party doesn't have a face, they don't have
a person that is like the go to resistance to
Trump and everything Trump and everything that's evil and Republican,
and he wants to be that and he's making some
pretty good progress on that. But so are you still
now you're working for CBS. How long we've been doing
this together?
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Gary? Twenty years? Twenty five years?
Speaker 6 (24:43):
Okay, let me remind you. I'll ask you the question, Karris.
Somebody asked me this Siver the weekend about you guys.
When did you start your local show and Sacrament of
us now ballooned into a galactic, you know, superstar radio program. Well,
what did you guys start?
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Michael's usually on top of this.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
So our anniversary is like in a week whole days actually,
and that will be twenty eight years, twenty seven years,
something like twenty seven twenty seven years.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
Oh my gosh. Now you're making me feel really old.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
You know why that great? As you are really old
and so am I.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
Oh geez, come on, man, I I started with you
guys the first year you were on air locally in
the state capitol of Plipia.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Lord, we've been talking to each other for almost three decades.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
What are we doing?
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (25:25):
Stop? Okay, that's the end of that forgets, Let's do.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Something else with our lives.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Okay, So anyway, but since you're on right now for
the last time, so you've always been staunchly non partisan.
That's always been your thing, and I love that. That's
one of the reasons we always liked having you on.
You're really into just trying to relay the facts. I
assume you're still doing that for CBS.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
Absolutely. That's that is a great question because people say,
because remember this really blows people's minds. Prior to my
contract with CBS were started in what twenty eighteen or something,
so that was what seven years ago. I was with
our local Fox affiliate, Fox forty and Zacha Meto. So
you know, people say, did you flip loyalties? No, I've
always been the same, Gary Detrich, you know how it is, Jack,
(26:08):
Just like you said, I call them like I see him.
I feel like that's very very important role. That's why
they have me on. Nobody scripts me, nobody tells me
what bent to take. I guarantee you that.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Well, so this is an opinion question.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
So I don't know how you want to handle that,
but I, Joe and I take in a lot of
national media and podcasts and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Of course we do for our line work.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
I feel like people pundits in the rest of the
country have a way higher opinion of Gavin Newsom's talents
than people who have known him longer in California. Well,
first of all, would you agree with that about Well, I.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
Do think that that is how should we call it
a bias that happens with Jack Literally almost every governor, right,
almost every governor this happens. You could and Republicans and
Democrat You can go down the list. You go way
back to Mike Ducacas in Massachusetts and the Massachusetts Miracle.
And when I went to you know, I won't mention
the name of the school because you guys have to
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make fun of my grad school.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Gary went to Harvard. He went to Harvard is the
John F. Kennedy School of Government.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
We all know. Glad we mentioned that one telling you
this for thirty years. Go ahead, Gary, Okay, I'm hoping
people forget.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
The reason I mentioned that is when I was in
when I was in Massachusetts, people would say, what is
this fascination with our governor outside of our state? There's
this wrong, this wrong, this wrong that happens all the time.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Yeah, I don't remember, you know, Rick Perry coming out
of Texas or whoever it is. They the local people
often say, I don't know if he's as good as.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
You think he is.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
But then sometimes you get a Clinton or a Bush
who perform, you know, at that high level. But so,
where do you think Gavin Newsom is currently as a
political athlete.
Speaker 6 (27:51):
Well, I certainly think that you know, you're onto the
trend line right now, which is the Democratic base has
been desperately seeking a true networds fighter quote unquote. They
want somebody to take on, as they call him, quote unquote,
the bully in the White House, and Gavin has filled
that role. Now. Interestingly, there's been a huge transformation, as
you know, Jack, in the last eight months, because when
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the President showed up on the tarmac of La International
Airport right after the fires down south, you know, Gavin
wanted to make nice and he needs forty billion dollars,
they say, to rebuild La et cetera, et cetera. But
things terms sellar quickly, as you know, They've gone from
bad to worse, and I think Gavin is essentially given
up on trying to root Trump in the White House
and now it's full on I'm going to be the
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face of the opposition.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
I don't blame him, but man, these early projections. Trump
has only been president for what nine months? And to
talk about twenty eight that is out there. Hillary Clinton
seemed like a lock for the nomination in two thousand
and eight. I remember when Rudy Giuliani seemed like who
could possibly beat him? You know, We've seen this so
many times. There's lots of names that I've never even
heard of. You've net, You've probably heard of them, but
(29:00):
that I've never even heard of that could emerge in
the next couple of years.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
Correct, Oh yeah, I mean, look, a month is a
long time in politics. I mean, nobody's even talking about
a resisting special election on November fourth in California thirty
days ago. Now it's the reality.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Good point.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
So the point is, Jack, we have a long wrong
ways to go. But if you look at the national
odds maker Slash polling right now just for who's going
to win twenty eight and this is so far out
as ridiculous, but jd Vance is the leader, followed about
ten points behind, maybe more than that, twelve points by now,
Gavin Newsom and then the list goes down from there,
(29:36):
so still Vance and of course he's no lock for
his own nomination. Then we're a long ways away from
twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Although Elon's saying he might throw one hundred to two
hundred million dollars behind Vance is certainly a big deal.
Speaker 6 (29:48):
Well, you know what, he's got those kind of checks.
He could decide he wants tomorrow to put in fifty
cents and the next week it might be five hundred million. Yeah,
but you know that proved, as you know, to be
significant last time around. I mean, the battle for twenty
eight it's going to make it really interesting, Jack, is
that it's wide open. There won't be an incumbent on
either side. And yes you have a sitting vice president,
but that's a real mixed bagger results for sitting vice
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presidents over the years.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Gary Dietrich's CBS News political analyst. Let's do it for
thirty more years, Gary.
Speaker 6 (30:16):
Well, how about it we sell with thirty days and
go from there.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
All right, talk to you soon, okay, buddy. It's the
Armstrong and Geddy Show.
Speaker 6 (30:24):
Armstrong and Jetty arm Strong.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
And Conscience of the Nation.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
Armstrong.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Hey, Yeeddy.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
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Speaker 3 (30:43):
So my thirteen year old and it matters what his ages.
Apparently wanted to open a checking account at the bank
or an account at the bank because he's got enough
money built up from allowances and birthdays and Christmases, and
he doesn't spend his money like his brother does. He
saves it because he wants to be able to put
it toward a car someday and that.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Sort of thing. So he's got a decent sized.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Chunk of money added up over the years, and he'd
been keeping it in a shoe box, and so he's
going to oput an account. And I remember when I
opened an account when I was probably about his age.
I started mowing lawns when I was twelve thirteen and
accumulating money and opening a bank account. On the way
to the bank, I did say to him, I said,
you know, I haven't I haven't been around the idea
of opening an account for a bank in forty years
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something like that. So I don't know if the rules
have changed, but so in case something happens, but anyway,
we should we get it there sure enough. And so
we're trying to open this account and everything like that.
And first of all, many banks everything is I don't
know if it's because the government comes down on them
so hard or something like that. They treat everybody like
you're a want to be terrorists, Like everything you do
(31:49):
it's like jeez, lighting up. But anyway, he needs to
have two forms of ID. Is where we ran into
the roadblock. I said, what is a form of ID
for a thirteen year old? He said, and they said, well,
your Social Security card is birth certificate?
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Okay, great?
Speaker 3 (32:07):
So uh, I said, the fact that I'm his dad
isn't good enough. I can't vouch for the fact that
he's my son. And I have an account here and
have had for twenty five years and open an account
for him.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I can't do that.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
And no, we need to. And I said, is that
a bank policy or the state law or what is that?
Because I was thinking, if it's a bank policy, I'll
go to a different bank. But uh, it's a federal law.
It's part of the patriotch I said, oh, cool, of course,
And he said, well it's a federal I said, you
don't need to explain the federal government to me. And
I hate the federal government. I said, and then the
(32:39):
guy looked at me like I was Oh. He got
wide eyed, like, oh, you're one of those people. You're
Timothy McVeigh, You're you're you're one of those people. Yeah,
clearly I've heard about them. I said, I hate the
federal government. The Patriot Act's ridiculous. This is ridiculous. The
fact that I can't open a bank account for a
thirteen year old, and as his parent, I got I
gotta prove who he is because you can't take my
(33:01):
word for the fact that he's my child makes me
a child, say money laundering, little mule for your militia,
whatever you want to call him. The Patriot Act was
so much I was trying to explain it to her.
He was so much crap that they jammed through. It's
all because of nine to eleven. So you're gonna stop
the next nine to eleven by making sure thirteen year
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olds don't open illegal bank accounts. I guess whatever, even
though their parrot, who you know, is sitting right there.
I hate stuff like that and the and the but
they were there. Their eyes got so wide when I
hate said I hate the federal government. And I was
thinking if I was doing this same thing in my
and where I went to college in Hayes, Kansas, and
I said I hate the federal government. The teller would
(33:43):
have said, yeah, me too, don't you high five? Jude
came end to that brother, but that just being oh
my god, you shouldn't she said, oh she she gasped.
The woman gasped, and her boss just looked at me white.
I'd like, oh, were we about to have a fight.
Oh man, you have to have two pieces of id
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even though he's my kid.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
I just found that amazing.
Speaker 7 (34:10):
All right, here's here's the guy who retweets my quotes.
Get ready to jot this one down and get it right?
Would you?
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Anytime the government says there's an emergency, there are two emergencies.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yeah, but actually exactly.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
And I actually told my son because he was one,
and he was really like, is that something you can't
say out loud?
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I said, I told him.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
The most revered Republican president of the last maybe century,
Ronald Reagan, ran on the scariest words in the English
language are I'm here from the I'm from the government,
and I'm here to help you. I mean, he ran on,
I hate the government, all right. Just saw a clip
this morning. The government isn't the solution. Government is the problem.
And the woman who was typing furiously after I said that,
(34:53):
because she was so horrified that anybody would say that,
I said, you know, all the money in my account.
I made that by going on the radio every day
saying I hate the government.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
I make my living.
Speaker 7 (35:06):
By the way, if the Justice Department is listening, or
the FDIC or.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
The c i A, the NSA, if I'm happy to
testify against this monster.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
I'm sure I'm on some sort of terrorist watch list now, yes, Michael.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
So wonder they didn't hit the silent alarm on you
and then you know, cops show up or something.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
I would have been I would have loved to talk
to people and explain why it's okay for me to
say I hate the government. No, no, no, We've got
to surveill him for a while and go through his
mail and monitor his phone calls. We've got the NSA
working on it already. What I hate is the manager
guy acting like it makes sense that we have a
law that I can't vouch for my kid being my kid.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
That seems perfectly reasonable to me. Two forms of ID
for a child, right when their parents. Is there?
Speaker 3 (35:54):
I thought he says his name, Then I say his name?
Is that two forms of ID? And if not, what
the hell has the world became?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
I know, the Armstrong and Getty Show.
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Strong and Jetty and now he Armstrong and Catty Strong
and who we used to call.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Craig the Obamacare Lawyer back when we were trying to
work our way through what the hell Obamacare was or is,
which continues to be the law of the land, right Craig, Welcome,
Craig Gottwaals. Obamacare is. It's just just became status quo
as we all predicted it would be, and all of
our deductibles went way, way, way, way up, and we
(00:49):
all just accepted that that's the way they're going to
be for the rest of our lives.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
So that's why that turned out.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Hey, I do have a quick health related thing for
you before we get into some other stuff that you
and I were or texting about last night.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I got a friend.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Who's got a pretty bad health diagnosis, and I suggested, man,
you ought to get a second opinion. But people throw
around the whole get a second opinion like it's easy
to do. I've never actually done it. How do you
even go about doing that? Does your insurance like you
do that, what do you do? Do you go to
a completely different doctor group or what is that?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
What is the second opinion?
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Yeah, some of that's going to depend on what kind
of plan you're on, whether it's a PPO or an
HMO or like what we call an open access plan.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
But what do most people have to do? Let's start there.
What do most people have? Who have people in.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
A company healthcare some form of a PPO. Okay, yeah,
that's what I thought. Most of us have have PPO.
So if we have a PPO, how do we get
a second opinion?
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Yeah, the easiest way to get a second opinion in
that case would be to pick a different primary care
doctor in a different medical group and just go through
the process again.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Because if you stay with and go through the.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Whole process again, go through the whole process again, while
you're probably not feeling very good, maybe feeling terrible.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Yeah, it's at that point. So it's going to come
down to how much you trust your doctor and the
medical group, because if you stay within the same medical group,
they're going to have a pretty strong bias to confirm
what's already been done.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Well, that exactly that's what I want a second.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah, there's two things wrong with several things wrong with that,
and it's a tell me, it's not a common phrase,
Well you should get a second opinion. People throw that
around all the time like it's an easy thing to do.
But so I'd have to go through the whole process.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Am I am?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
I kind of like half firing my primary doctor I've
had maybe for years, I'm probably friends with at this point.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
How offended is he or she going to be? Well?
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Most plans will have a mechanism in there for a
second opinion so that it's not so that you're not
now if it's an HMO, which a lot of people
are on in larger cities, that kind of are firing
that doctor because you'd pick a different primary care doctor
come back to them in a future month. But most
PPOs will have a mechanism you can do it. The
other way to do it, if you have a little
bit of means at all, is to go out into
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the market and find a direct primary care doctor somebody
who's left the system and sees you for like one
hundred or one hundred and twenty five dollars a month fee.
That way, you can keep doing what you're doing with
your system doctor on your planet work, for example, But
then you can spend a couple hundred dollars and go
off to the side and see one of these direct
primary care doctors who's left the system and will then
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give you a truly independent analysis that if you have
some means at all, that's what I would recommend.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Okay, that's a little frustrating.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
I mean, they don't offer that up to you, certainly
after they give you a diagnosis. And the one thing
I learned, and I tell people all this time, the
main thing I learned from when I had cancer is
there's a lot of guessing. There's way more guessing than
I ever believed was the case. And you can talk
to a couple of different people and they have completely
different opinions. So well, not just cancer, I mean all
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these complicated I mean, sure, if we just start looking
at autoimmune diseases and then the way these the new
the new drugs are affecting that, it's it's, you know,
because of what I do. I have a lot of
good friendships with doctors, and it's shocking how you can
talk to two very well respected doctors that have been
doing this for decades and they'll have incredibly different opinions
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on how you should treat X, Y or Z, especially
when we get to like autoimmune or even cancer YEP.
I have that execsis situation with my son where they
I have two PhD level, been around forever people with
almost one hundred and eighty degree apart opinions, and what
am I supposed to do with that information?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Anyway?
Speaker 3 (04:39):
That's enough of that health stuff for now, So this
is interesting. So we talked to I Know your Friends
with Tim Sanderfer. We had Tim the Lawyer on Last Hour,
and we were talking about AI and all the different
sort of stuff. And I'm fascinated by AI, and I
read lots of books and listen to a lot of
podcasts because I think it's I think it's going to
be a really big deal. I don't know if it's
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good to be as big as fire, like the guy
from Google says to mankind the invention of fire. But
I mean, if if it's half that, it would be
shockingly huge. A lot of people are worried about AI
taken so many jobs. We're gonna have to come up
with some sort of guaranteed income thing to pay people
(05:20):
to stay home and play the flute because there just aren't.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Going to be enough jobs. AI is going to take
it over.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Tim says, this is going to be like every other
technology that's come along. It's going to develop all kinds
of new jobs that you've never even thought of yet.
It'll take care of itself. The cotton gin didn't eliminate
all farm workers. It started all kinds of other different
things and you end up with more jobs. Where are
you on that question? Because Tim Tim Tim thinks now
that he's not worried about it.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I am. I think it's going to destroy the entire world.
Go ahead. I fall much closer to Tim. I hope
you're both right.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
I'm using it. I'm using it every day at work.
In fact, everybody in my office is. We're using it regularly.
And what it's done is it's allowed me to just
become so much more efficient with not wasting a lot
of time on some of the more menial tasks that
I don't want to have to burn time on.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I can use.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
AI to standardize and templatize a lot of the things
that I'm doing quickly. I'll give you an example, Jack,
because you know I'm a lawyer and I'm reviewing healthcare contracts.
Just recently, I took six different Pharmacy Benefit Manager PBM contracts.
So it's the part of your health plan that deals
with all the drugs. Six different contracts. All of them
were between fifty and one hundred pages. I uploaded all
(06:31):
of them into chat GPT, I said, and then I
gave it like a whole page of instruction on what
I wanted. I wanted to compare and contrast this. I
wanted to know the weaknesses and strengths. I wanted to
know where I could find a B and C and
D in each contract, and I wanted it to put
it all in a grid for me.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
So it did.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Within like ten minutes, I had this unbelievable chart that
it spit back to me, where then I could go
back and just hit the highlights of the contracts in
my review. Now, where that would be devastating is if
you had zero idea what you were doing, if you
weren't a healthcare attorney, for example, and you didn't know
where it was wrong. Because it's wrong, as you guys
have reported, it's wrong a good clip of the time.
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It'll make things up or it'll have something totally off.
But when you're already an expert in an area to
take care. I mean, it saved me four hours doing
what it did, and then I could just spend one
hour fine tuning it and making it exactly what I
needed to see from my clients.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
But you do have the problems of hallucinations or whatever.
It just makes stuff up. Now that absolutely, Yeah, you
have to watch it.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
What I tell my coworkers is when it tells you
something that you think is just maybe not quite right,
you have to tell it give me a source for that,
and then you have to hit that source and you
have to go look at it because it will get
things completely wrong. I've read the stats that say fifty
percent of the time. I think that's too high, but
I see it getting things wrong twenty percent of the
time anyway.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Really, Okay, that's interesting.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Yeah, Well it sends you to a link that doesn't exist,
or it just says something that's not right.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Okay, So I asked a lot of questions that I
have no expertise in, and so it could maybe it's
lied to me way more often than I realize. And
then I probably repeated on the radio. But I'm I'm
I've mentioned this a thousand times. I'm reading the book
Ulysses by James Joyce. I'm trying to fight my way
through that book. And I've been using chat GBT when
I get stuck on something. But I had one the
other day where it was just I knew it was
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completely wrong, like just as wrong as wrong could be,
And I wonder how often that happens. I asked a question
yesterday about taking zinc when you got a cold, and
the information it spit out for me for different ages
and different studies and stuff like that, as far as
I know, was absolutely fascinating and so fast.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
So which you mentioned chat GPT several times.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
There's a whole bunch of AI apps or programs or
whatever you can call them chatbots out there.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
How many of them are you using?
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Yeah, so I'm using I'm using an upgraded version of
chat GPT that I've paid for and I've trained with
a lot of what I do for healthcare law.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Do you think the paid for one is Do you
think the paid one paid for one is worth it
for the average person or only if you have an
expertise in something.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
I think if you're using it for work, the paid
for one is worth it. I mean if you're just
using it for for fun and for social you know,
I don't think you need to pay for it, but
I lean on it pretty heavily at times and chat.
GPT seems to be the best one for like legal
analysis and writing and writing templates when I have to
when I start working with Excel spreadsheets, for example, when
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I want to compare large Excel spreadsheets and I want
to I want to have AI shortcut some of that
for me, I find that Gemini Google's seems to be
the best one for me in that lane. And then
the other thing that we use a lot at work
because we do a lot of presentations for clients and
a lot of visual stuff. Will use mid Journey to
create art and imagery, which is I think the industry
(09:46):
leader easily for you know, creating those pictures in those
and those slides that are.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Oh so if you want to do it in really
you want to do images and stuff, you like mid Journey,
which I'd never even heard of.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Mid Journey.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Yeah, mid Journey is amazing. And I actually learned that
an artist friend of mine in the Bay Area who said,
that's the only one artists you're using is mid Journey.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Jar that, Katie, because I know you do a lot
of that. That's a good one. Mid Journey is And
is that just something like I can put on my
phone getting that.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Yeah, it's just a weblink or there's probably an app,
but I just I just hit it on a on
a on a web page browser. And I actually do
pay for the upgraded version of that one as well,
because we hit it a lot for creating. You know,
you see a presentation at your job, right and you
get so sick of seeing the same clip art over
and over. Well, we'll just use mid Journey to create
unique art.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
That way.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
I know that when I'm giving a presentation to a client,
they've never seen this imagery before. It's not you know,
some stock imagery, but that Journey. We hit it, but
use a free version of it as well.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Mid Journey.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
I'm looking for it, Okay, I haven't missed around Google Gemini.
I need to do that, just because I know they're
pouring so many billions of dollars into that sort of thing.
Because there's a big belief among Eli and uh Eli,
Elon and Google and you know a couple of different
people that whoever emerges as the leader there's trillions of
(11:06):
dollars involved in that, and it's worth trying to be
the best. So I need to figure out what Gemini
is up to.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
Arm Strong, The Armstrong and Getty Show, seventy point five
hot dogs and buns in ten minutes. The Nathan's Famous
Fourth of July Champion of the.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
World, Joey Chestna, how do you feel?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I was excited. I love being here, man, I wish
I ate a couple more. I'm sorry, guys, I'll be
back next year.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
That's greatness. That is the voice of greatness. Joey chest
Sweat Eat seventy and a half dogs. I considered going.
So we were in Manhattan and the boys for vacation,
and we watch every Fourth of July since they were little.
We watched the hot dog eating contest on ESPN two,
(12:02):
and it's kind of a family tradition to watch that.
And yeah, and I was right there and could have gone,
but I thought I just did the crowds and fighting
and there and the hot sun, so I didn't go.
But maybe I missed out in a lifetime memory right
there by not watching a guy shove as many hot
dogs in his mouth as he possibly could in a
short amount of time.
Speaker 7 (12:22):
I think that is one that well, he absolutely did
you did you passed on dream memory for your kids.
On the other hand, it's the sort of idea that
seems like a great one. Then you think about how
long is it going to take us to get to
Coney Island, right.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
And then you know the basically a day to two
thirds of a day of vacation do I want to
spend that's kind of slow jam hot dogs into their
maws for five minutes.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
AnyWho.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
We just did a story about a woman that was
attacked by a homeless person in California. My only reaction
to that story is yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't
like the term homeless person, and I don't blame you.
We need a quick, short term for these people. Crazy person.
I'm fine with crazy person.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Or I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
That's not accurate either, because it's not all mental illness.
It's way more drug crazies than anything else.
Speaker 7 (13:15):
That's why I like the term vagrant because it kind
of lumps everybody. It covers everybody. I like a transient
drug addict, but it's a little cumbersome, and maybe some
of these people aren't drug addicts.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Although the vast majority are. But the reason I'm on
a jehot about this is if you make the fundamental
focus of describing that person their lack of a permanent address,
then people think, well, that's that's really unfortunate. They don't
have a home, and we need to solve that problem. No,
the problem is there a drug addict. Yeah, more a vagrant,
Which is kind of hints at the reason I wanted
(13:47):
to bring it up in conjunction with being in New
York City is I saw I see every single day
in the college town I live in more drug crazy
vagrant street people that frightened me every day than I
saw in Manhattan walking around for three days. That shouldn't
be Yeah, that's nuts. On its own, there aren't none
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in New York. But what I mean, if you're from California,
from a big city in California, or even a small
city as I just said, it is refreshingly bum free
to be in New York and.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
It shouldn't be that way.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Maybe if you're from I don't know, Omaha and you
go to New York, you can think, oh my god,
there's scary street people around. But for us, it was like, wow,
it's so nice to be able to walk the streets
without every ten feet you're wondering if this person's gonna
stab me in the eye with a broken bottle. Yeah,
it has been useful as a bicoastal American to observe
the differences in outcomes directly tied to policies. I mean,
(14:46):
it's not mysterious, it's not difficult to understand.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
If you make it.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
As easy and comfortable as possible to be a jobless
drug addict, you will have more jobless drug ada. Do
you think that's doing those people of favor on any level?
I would argue strenuously as not.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
It's the opposite. The one thing I did see in
New York that bothered me a lot.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
On the fourth of July, we were standing in the
spot where George Washington took his first oath of office
as the capital of our fine country was in New
York City.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Right there.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
It's a big, old, cool federal building basically across from
the New York Stock Exchange in Wall Street. It's still there,
and they've got a big cement platform that they've taken
out of the ground and it is now standing up
with an inscription on it and that's where George Washington
stood to take the first oath, which obviously is a
very very big deal for the world, not just for
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the United States. But so, while we were bumping around
the southern tip of Manhattan on the fourth of July
and went over to see the Statue of Liberty and
a variety of different things, so many of the artifact
of our history of freedom of independence. We're surrounded by
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barriers because there is so concerned about protests, and I thought, so,
this is the way we handle it. We handle it
on the end of the deal of the protests by
putting a barrier around the statue so I can't look
at it to protect it from the protesters, as opposed
to what we're always advocating, arrest these people and make
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it so miserable to get arrested for defacing you know,
a statue like this, that you don't do it where
we're catching it on.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
The wrong end.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
You need to catch it on the front end, so
people aren't motivated to do it right now. People know
they can get away with spray painting this statue of
whichever founding father, so.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
They have to cover it with all kinds of barricades.
And tape it stuff like that, you can't even see
it as a tourist.
Speaker 7 (16:50):
And if you just talked out some of these things
that we do that are so nuts, these dacing if
you were to describe, all right, we have a variety
of ways we're proposing to deal with the fact that
angry protesters who've been miseducated and indoctrinated in our government
schools want to tear down the artifacts of our founding.
Here is one plan, and I would spell it out,
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and that includes covering up the monuments and statues so
no one can see them. That would be roundly rejected.
People will say, I don't care what else is in
your stupid plan.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
You're missing the whole freaking point of having this statue.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
What's your next plan?
Speaker 3 (17:25):
And yet that idiotic plan is the one we've gone with.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Come on, America, we can do better than this.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
The Armstrong and Getty Show or Jack or Shoe podcasts
and our hot links.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty, The Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Show, thank you.
Speaker 8 (17:51):
And in this nationwide war over redistricting, we've seen the
two biggest states go first, the biggest red state, Texas.
You mentioned those five inditional seats. Yeah, and there's not
a lot of blue. They're squeezing that big time. Now,
what we're seeing the opposite in California where the Democrats
under Gavin Newsom are putting a map on the ballot
for voters this fault that could get them those five
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seats back. So that would make sure only four Republican
seats forty eight for the Democrats.
Speaker 9 (18:18):
So we're standing up. This is not about parties. It's
not about you know, redistricting lines. It's about holding the line.
It's about protecting all of us, regardless of political party.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
It's about power at the end of the day, is
it okay?
Speaker 3 (18:34):
So the math on that there are fifty two congressional
seats in California. If Gavin gets his way, four of
those will be Republican. So even though about thirty eight
percent of Californian's voted Republican last time around, they would
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only have.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Seven percent of the seats. So nearly forty.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Of the people who vote in California vote Republican, but
only seven percent of the representation in the House.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Well that sounds fair.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Whatever, we welcome back to the Armstrong and get to
show our old friend Gary Dietrie, how are you, Gary.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
Hey, Jack, good to be with you. And one thing
we now for sure, this scientific study has come out,
Joe Jack. There's been now more citations of redistricting in
the last thirty days than in all of human history.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
By no kidding, no kidding. Not a hot topic, usually
says here. You are a CBS News political analyst. Now, congratulations, Well, thank.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
You, my friend. Yeah, you know, I've been based in
the state capitol, California for some time. But you know,
as things continue to grow and all the rest of
the good stuff, you know, and I think they guess
that make sense to them. I'm now doing national TV
and radio for CBS as well.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Of course, the reason we have you on today is
to talk about the backlash against the cracker barrel remodels.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Everybody very angry.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
You know. I got to tell you that's so funny
you mentioned this. I was thinking over the weekend. I
have never in my lifetime seen a car brand flip
politically in six months, a beer brand, a beer brand
flip politically in thirty days, and a beloved pancake house
and I don't know, fried chicken. Whatever you do the
same thing in about two hours.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
It's unbelievable, it really is. That's a very good point.
We'll have to discuss that later. You got to really watch.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Your uh, your pr currently is a big company. But anyway,
we're going to talk to you about redistricting, among other things.
First of all, what's the likelihood that this passes? Have
you seen any polling on this in California?
Speaker 6 (20:38):
Yeah, in California. Here's the problem for Democrats that when
the polling was done a couple of weeks ago, just
on the concept would you like the independent Citizens Commission
or do you want it to go the power to
go back to the legislature. Jack, This is quite remarkable
to me. Actually two thirds of voters said, now, we don't.
We don't want to go back to the legislature's control.
We wanted to stay in the hands. And that, by
the way, wasn't just led by humplicins and a large
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percentage almost twenty percent independency in California, but a vast majority,
almost sixty percent of Democrats said that. So that's a
big headwind. Now when you start talking about this measure
in specifics, people are just beginning to get pulled on it.
But right now, the most recent numbers I saw, Jack
had about forty eight percent in support of it. There's
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a general rule of thumb in California about pompositions. If
you don't start your campaign with over fifty percent of
the support, you've got a big, big road to hope.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Oh interesting, Well that that is, uh, that's good to
know going forward with this, not to read it. We
just had Congressman Tom McClintock on and he kind of
went through the history of jerrymandering, although he is the
correct pronunciation of Gary mandering.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
But yeah, I wanted to know I had nothing to
do with that, though it's a different spelling Gary than
me his that's ge r wise. So I did not
have anything to do with the start of Gary mandarin.
I want you guys to.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Know, gotcha. But so we all go through the history
of that again. But liked, people have been jerry mandering
since the country starting. There's lots of blue states as
that are all jerry mandered the heck as we all know.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
And now it's just.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
But isn't Gavin's main goal if this gets shot down?
Doesn't he want just to be the face of the
resistance isn't that his main goal?
Speaker 6 (22:18):
Well, you know, you know, I never tried to get
inside a politician, ed. But if you look at the
sort of factual evidence of that in the last twelve
to eighteen months, Jack, you.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Know very well.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
I mean he's been in red states all over the country,
raised ten million dollars in a pack to do that,
took up billboards in Florida and Texas, famously debated the
governor of Florida on the Sean Hannity Show of all things.
I mean, he's you know, had it own podcast, you know,
the story with Bannon on it and Charlie Kirk. I mean,
he's been he's been auditioning for the White House here
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officially unofficially for last year plus.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
How do you like his chances?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (22:56):
In twenty eight?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (22:57):
Well, well here's the deal. We have some recent numbers.
This is really interesting. In California, his own home state,
he has now surged a head of Kamala Harris as
California Democrats twenty eight choice.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Hold Kamala Harris.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
I can't believe anybody's even talking about her.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
Still, good lord, Well, I'm just telling you the numbers. Okay,
and California Democrats. California Democrats had her in the lead
as their choice, and then just in the last thirty
days Gavin surged ahead. Now nationally, there hasn't been a
lot of good national polling on this in the last
couple weeks. But what's interesting, Jack, is the movement on
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the so called odds. Okay, Now, why are odds? Why
would people care about that over polling? Because odds take
in it and these are being watched by the way,
very carefully and reliably by many political sources in the
US these days. Why because polling is one measurement, right,
if there's snapshot in time, it takes time to get
a poll out in the field and then you get
it back. Odds take into account other things, what a
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recent news cycle there, et cetera, et cetera. What does
fundraising look like? And Gavin Newsom has moved into the
lead nationally in the odds for the twenty eight race
of the Democratic nomination.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah, that's interesting, and that was his goal. He wants
to be.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
As close to as a presumptive as he can possibly
get heading into the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Obviously, and again.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
The Democratic Party doesn't have a face, they don't have
a person that is like the go to resistance to
Trump and everything Trump and everything that's evil and Republican,
and he wants to be that and he's making some
pretty good progress on that. But so are you still
now you're working for CBS. How long we've been doing
this together?
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Gary? Twenty years? Twenty five years?
Speaker 6 (24:43):
Okay, let me remind you. I'll ask you the question, Karris.
Somebody asked me this Siver the weekend about you guys.
When did you start your local show and Sacrament of
us now ballooned into a galactic, you know, superstar radio program. Well,
what did you guys start?
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Michael's usually on top of this.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
So our anniversary is like in a week whole days actually,
and that will be twenty eight years, twenty seven years,
something like twenty seven twenty seven years.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
Oh my gosh. Now you're making me feel really old.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
You know why that great? As you are really old
and so am I.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
Oh geez, come on, man, I I started with you
guys the first year you were on air locally in
the state capitol of Plipia.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Lord, we've been talking to each other for almost three decades.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
What are we doing?
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (25:25):
Stop? Okay, that's the end of that forgets, Let's do.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Something else with our lives.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Okay, So anyway, but since you're on right now for
the last time, so you've always been staunchly non partisan.
That's always been your thing, and I love that. That's
one of the reasons we always liked having you on.
You're really into just trying to relay the facts. I
assume you're still doing that for CBS.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
Absolutely. That's that is a great question because people say,
because remember this really blows people's minds. Prior to my
contract with CBS were started in what twenty eighteen or something,
so that was what seven years ago. I was with
our local Fox affiliate, Fox forty and Zacha Meto. So
you know, people say, did you flip loyalties? No, I've
always been the same, Gary Detrich, you know how it is, Jack,
(26:08):
Just like you said, I call them like I see him.
I feel like that's very very important role. That's why
they have me on. Nobody scripts me, nobody tells me
what bent to take. I guarantee you that.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Well, so this is an opinion question.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
So I don't know how you want to handle that,
but I, Joe and I take in a lot of
national media and podcasts and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Of course we do for our line work.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
I feel like people pundits in the rest of the
country have a way higher opinion of Gavin Newsom's talents
than people who have known him longer in California. Well,
first of all, would you agree with that about Well, I.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
Do think that that is how should we call it
a bias that happens with Jack Literally almost every governor, right,
almost every governor this happens. You could and Republicans and
Democrat You can go down the list. You go way
back to Mike Ducacas in Massachusetts and the Massachusetts Miracle.
And when I went to you know, I won't mention
the name of the school because you guys have to
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make fun of my grad school.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Gary went to Harvard. He went to Harvard is the
John F. Kennedy School of Government.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
We all know. Glad we mentioned that one telling you
this for thirty years. Go ahead, Gary, Okay, I'm hoping
people forget.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
The reason I mentioned that is when I was in
when I was in Massachusetts, people would say, what is
this fascination with our governor outside of our state? There's
this wrong, this wrong, this wrong that happens all the time.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Yeah, I don't remember, you know, Rick Perry coming out
of Texas or whoever it is. They the local people
often say, I don't know if he's as good as.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
You think he is.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
But then sometimes you get a Clinton or a Bush
who perform, you know, at that high level. But so,
where do you think Gavin Newsom is currently as a
political athlete.
Speaker 6 (27:51):
Well, I certainly think that you know, you're onto the
trend line right now, which is the Democratic base has
been desperately seeking a true networds fighter quote unquote. They
want somebody to take on, as they call him, quote unquote,
the bully in the White House, and Gavin has filled
that role. Now. Interestingly, there's been a huge transformation, as
you know, Jack, in the last eight months, because when
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the President showed up on the tarmac of La International
Airport right after the fires down south, you know, Gavin
wanted to make nice and he needs forty billion dollars,
they say, to rebuild La et cetera, et cetera. But
things terms sellar quickly, as you know, They've gone from
bad to worse, and I think Gavin is essentially given
up on trying to root Trump in the White House
and now it's full on I'm going to be the
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face of the opposition.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
I don't blame him, but man, these early projections. Trump
has only been president for what nine months? And to
talk about twenty eight that is out there. Hillary Clinton
seemed like a lock for the nomination in two thousand
and eight. I remember when Rudy Giuliani seemed like who
could possibly beat him? You know, We've seen this so
many times. There's lots of names that I've never even
heard of. You've net, You've probably heard of them, but
(29:00):
that I've never even heard of that could emerge in
the next couple of years.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
Correct, Oh yeah, I mean, look, a month is a
long time in politics. I mean, nobody's even talking about
a resisting special election on November fourth in California thirty
days ago. Now it's the reality.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Good point.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
So the point is, Jack, we have a long wrong
ways to go. But if you look at the national
odds maker Slash polling right now just for who's going
to win twenty eight and this is so far out
as ridiculous, but jd Vance is the leader, followed about
ten points behind, maybe more than that, twelve points by now,
Gavin Newsom and then the list goes down from there,
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so still Vance and of course he's no lock for
his own nomination. Then we're a long ways away from
twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Although Elon's saying he might throw one hundred to two
hundred million dollars behind Vance is certainly a big deal.
Speaker 6 (29:48):
Well, you know what, he's got those kind of checks.
He could decide he wants tomorrow to put in fifty
cents and the next week it might be five hundred million. Yeah,
but you know that proved, as you know, to be
significant last time around. I mean, the battle for twenty
eight it's going to make it really interesting, Jack, is
that it's wide open. There won't be an incumbent on
either side. And yes you have a sitting vice president,
but that's a real mixed bagger results for sitting vice
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presidents over the years.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Gary Dietrich's CBS News political analyst. Let's do it for
thirty more years, Gary.
Speaker 6 (30:16):
Well, how about it we sell with thirty days and
go from there.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
All right, talk to you soon, okay, buddy. It's the
Armstrong and Geddy Show.
Speaker 6 (30:24):
Armstrong and Jetty arm Strong.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
And Conscience of the Nation.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
Armstrong.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Hey, Yeeddy.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
Thee Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
So my thirteen year old and it matters what his ages.
Apparently wanted to open a checking account at the bank
or an account at the bank because he's got enough
money built up from allowances and birthdays and Christmases, and
he doesn't spend his money like his brother does. He
saves it because he wants to be able to put
it toward a car someday and that.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Sort of thing. So he's got a decent sized.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Chunk of money added up over the years, and he'd
been keeping it in a shoe box, and so he's
going to oput an account. And I remember when I
opened an account when I was probably about his age.
I started mowing lawns when I was twelve thirteen and
accumulating money and opening a bank account. On the way
to the bank, I did say to him, I said,
you know, I haven't I haven't been around the idea
of opening an account for a bank in forty years
(31:28):
something like that. So I don't know if the rules
have changed, but so in case something happens, but anyway,
we should we get it there sure enough. And so
we're trying to open this account and everything like that.
And first of all, many banks everything is I don't
know if it's because the government comes down on them
so hard or something like that. They treat everybody like
you're a want to be terrorists, Like everything you do
(31:49):
it's like jeez, lighting up. But anyway, he needs to
have two forms of ID. Is where we ran into
the roadblock. I said, what is a form of ID
for a thirteen year old? He said, and they said, well,
your Social Security card is birth certificate?
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Okay, great?
Speaker 3 (32:07):
So uh, I said, the fact that I'm his dad
isn't good enough. I can't vouch for the fact that
he's my son. And I have an account here and
have had for twenty five years and open an account
for him.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I can't do that.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
And no, we need to. And I said, is that
a bank policy or the state law or what is that?
Because I was thinking, if it's a bank policy, I'll
go to a different bank. But uh, it's a federal law.
It's part of the patriotch I said, oh, cool, of course,
And he said, well it's a federal I said, you
don't need to explain the federal government to me. And
I hate the federal government. I said, and then the
(32:39):
guy looked at me like I was Oh. He got
wide eyed, like, oh, you're one of those people. You're
Timothy McVeigh, You're you're you're one of those people. Yeah,
clearly I've heard about them. I said, I hate the
federal government. The Patriot Act's ridiculous. This is ridiculous. The
fact that I can't open a bank account for a
thirteen year old, and as his parent, I got I
gotta prove who he is because you can't take my
(33:01):
word for the fact that he's my child makes me
a child, say money laundering, little mule for your militia,
whatever you want to call him. The Patriot Act was
so much I was trying to explain it to her.
He was so much crap that they jammed through. It's
all because of nine to eleven. So you're gonna stop
the next nine to eleven by making sure thirteen year
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olds don't open illegal bank accounts. I guess whatever, even
though their parrot, who you know, is sitting right there.
I hate stuff like that and the and the but
they were there. Their eyes got so wide when I
hate said I hate the federal government. And I was
thinking if I was doing this same thing in my
and where I went to college in Hayes, Kansas, and
I said I hate the federal government. The teller would
(33:43):
have said, yeah, me too, don't you high five? Jude
came end to that brother, but that just being oh
my god, you shouldn't she said, oh she she gasped.
The woman gasped, and her boss just looked at me white.
I'd like, oh, were we about to have a fight.
Oh man, you have to have two pieces of id
(34:06):
even though he's my kid.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
I just found that amazing.
Speaker 7 (34:10):
All right, here's here's the guy who retweets my quotes.
Get ready to jot this one down and get it right?
Would you?
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Anytime the government says there's an emergency, there are two emergencies.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yeah, but actually exactly.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
And I actually told my son because he was one,
and he was really like, is that something you can't
say out loud?
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I said, I told him.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
The most revered Republican president of the last maybe century,
Ronald Reagan, ran on the scariest words in the English
language are I'm here from the I'm from the government,
and I'm here to help you. I mean, he ran on,
I hate the government, all right. Just saw a clip
this morning. The government isn't the solution. Government is the problem.
And the woman who was typing furiously after I said that,
(34:53):
because she was so horrified that anybody would say that,
I said, you know, all the money in my account.
I made that by going on the radio every day
saying I hate the government.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
I make my living.
Speaker 7 (35:06):
By the way, if the Justice Department is listening, or
the FDIC or.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
The c i A, the NSA, if I'm happy to
testify against this monster.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
I'm sure I'm on some sort of terrorist watch list now, yes, Michael.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
So wonder they didn't hit the silent alarm on you
and then you know, cops show up or something.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
I would have been I would have loved to talk
to people and explain why it's okay for me to
say I hate the government. No, no, no, We've got
to surveill him for a while and go through his
mail and monitor his phone calls. We've got the NSA
working on it already. What I hate is the manager
guy acting like it makes sense that we have a
law that I can't vouch for my kid being my kid.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
That seems perfectly reasonable to me. Two forms of ID
for a child, right when their parents. Is there?
Speaker 3 (35:54):
I thought he says his name, Then I say his name?
Is that two forms of ID? And if not, what
the hell has the world became?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
I know, the Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Yeah, more Jack, more Joe podcasts, and our hot links
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