November 28, 2024 • 36 mins
Hour 4 of the Thursday, November 28,2024 edition of The Armstrong & Getty Replay features.
- Teen Kids Tell Parents to Shut Up at Restaurant/ The Carpenters Way
- Joe Finds a Parable
- Bitter Ol' Mellencamp vs John Prime
- Father's Day vs Gay Pride Month/ MLB Player Dad Story
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George
Washington Broadcast Center.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty arm Strong and Jetty and
he Armstrong and Getty Strong and hey we're I'm Strong
and Getty. We're featuring our podcast One more Thing. Find
it wherever you find all your podcasts. So this blew
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my mind.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
The other day, my husband and I went to a
restaurant and we're sitting there eating and I could just
overhear the conversation happening next to me. It's a mom
and her daughter who's maybe thirteen.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Are you aby, Are you a person that can tune
out people next to you or can't tune out people?
I cannot yet nuts. I easily can turn out conversations
with me, But like I have friends and family members
who can, and you can't talk to them if there's
someone else talking over there because they can't stop listening
to them. I guess you're either built that way or
you're not.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
I have a very hard time tuning out extraneous audio.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah, same here so and I couldn't tune this out
at all. And again, she was maybe thirteen, and they're
talking about something and they weren't agreeing, and this little
girl goes shut up mom, and the mom didn't react
and they continue to argue, and my jaw dropped because
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when I was raised telling my parents to shut up,
I mean, I've never done that. I have never in
my life told my mom or dad to shut up
in a serious manner. There was one time my dad
and I were joking around and I accidentally went to
shut up, and I stopped dead in my tracks in
fear because I was like, I know those words aren't uttered, right,
But I know parenting is changing generationally?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Is that okay? Now?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Is telling your parents to shut up like a normal thing?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Jack? Have your kids ever dared? One kid did once?
But yeah, no that was not okay. It did not
go well, okay kids, right?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I just I don't know if there's if that's a
shift that's happening where the way you talk to your
parents is changing. But the way that the mom didn't react,
I'm sitting there going.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
What I wouldn't take it in any tone, but was
the tone kind of like the valley go oh, shut up? No,
they were they were having a serious call. Wow, shut
your pie hole? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Yeah, so that certainly would not have washed in my house.
I think one of one of the kids may have
tried it at one point and it went very poorly.
But how long is a generation?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
They usually say twenty years.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yeah, I think okay, well all right then, well at
least my oldest kid in your youngest kid. I raised
my kids during the previous generation, which is kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Shut up still is not fly with anybody I know.
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
If it does, you need to take a paring in class.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Okay, Like Kevin Hart's got a bit where he's talking
about how it turns out he was mistaken but he
thought his kid he was yelling down to his kid
to do something, and he thought his kid yelled fu
said the words to him, and he just like gets what.
He's like, what what? What just happened here? And the
crowd just goes berserk about the idea of a kid
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saying that to their parent, which I was happy to hear,
but that was just like roundly seen as oh my god,
a nuclear bomb just went off. That is not okay,
how is he going to react to this? It turns
out he mishurt his kid over something like that. But yeah, no,
shut up is not okay, any but any world I
know of.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Okay, that brings me some comfort because the kid, the
girl was similar to your kid's age and I was.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
But the fact that the mom, I mean, she just
took it, oh boy, that I feel bad for both
of them because uh almost guaranteed that's a bad situation
either happening or going to happen. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
I remember back when I was raising my kids and
would talk about it on the air, and people would
call in or you know, write in with questions and
that sort of thing. What I thought, and a number
of times I thought, my first piece of advice is
get a time machine, because you're asking me how do
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I undo fourteen years of getting it wrong?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
And yeah, you know.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
It's like after your fifth heart attack saying to your doctor,
you know, well, it's you know what I'm saying. Oh.
I came across a great thing on parenting that I
was going to edit for the show because it's long,
but I wish, wish, wish I'd read it when my
kids were young. Jonah Goldberg actually wrote it. He's quoting
a bunch of other people, but he's talking about how
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there's a new book by a developmental psychologist who had
never heard of before, Alison Kropnik. But the name of
the book is The Gardener and the Carpenter, and she
points out that the very word parenting really only emerged
in the fifties and didn't become popular until the seventies
because until the fifties, people generally lived in their hometown
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near all their relatives, and they would just observe and
everybody's there to help, and you didn't have to learn
about parenting.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
It was self evident.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
You saw it all the time, and your mentors were
around you anyway. But then in the seventies, people got
more isolated, more mobile, they moved away and that sort
of thing, and you had these parenting experts pop up.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
And often with no kids or bad kids. Right, that's right, Yeah, yeah,
there's plenty of that too. But ms.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Gropnik point says that parents began to think like carpenters,
who have a clear idea in mind of what they're
trying to achieve. They look carefully at the materials they
have to work with, and it's their job to assemble
those materials into a finished project, the project or product
that can be judged by everyone against clear standards. Are
the right angles? Perfect does the door work? Kropnik notes
that the messiness and veriability are a carpenter's enemies. Precision
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and control are her allies. Measure twice, cut once, et cetera,
and her thing. And I've got to admit I don't
want to get too deep into this because it's incredibly
serious and will make me very sad. But I was
influenced by a calmnist to is a so called parenting expert,
and he was very much of the carpenter's school. And
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when I ran into a kid with special needs, specifically
on the autism spectrum, that was the last thing I needed.
The last thing I needed was a carpenter's point of
view about parenting.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
And MS.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Kropnick's thing here and I haven't read the book is
a better way to think about child wearing is as
a guard. Your job is to create a protected and
nurturing space for plants to flourish. It takes work, but
you don't have to be a perfectionist. Weed the garden,
water it. Step back and the plants will do their
things unpredictably and often with delightful surprises. And it's not
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like a hippie dippy, anything goes she's talking about weeding
the garden and doing what needs to be done.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
But you're not a carpenter or a gardener.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
What exactly is the carpenter's way. I don't know what
you're talking about as far as the carpenter's view.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Would it be fair to say, it's just like, there's
one way to do it, one size fits all to
get this to come out right?
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Essentially, Yeah, it's cut and dried. There are a list
of rules, you follow them, it'll be fine. As opposed
to a garden, where it's much more about nurturing than
forcing that it's absolutely inevitably going to go sideways at times.
If you're a good carpenter, it doesn't go sideways. You
can make cabinet after cabinet after cabinet, and if a
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mistake is or if something goes wrong, that's utterly unacceptable.
Whereas as a gardener, something's always going to go wrong.
That's what the job is and you have to adapt.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah. The only thing I could say to your situation
you overhard, Katie, because I've kind of lived this myself,
is I've got one kid that's got all kinds of
diagnosed things and kinds of medication and all kinds of things.
He has said and done things that if his brother
did them, it would be the end of the world.
But the kid that's got all these various situations, he's
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not always in control of everything he does. And also,
if you react a certain way you're about I mean,
she might have a kid that if she had said
anything to that kid at that moment about that, the
table's getting flipped over. I mean, the police are coming
that sort of thing. Possibly, I don't.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Even think of that possible circumstance that there could you
know that all could have had that problem.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Final bit of wisdom learned too late, at least harshly,
is when I first became a youth sports coach, I
think I went I can't remember where this came from,
but it was pointed out to me that you don't
coach all of your players the same You coach all
of your players the way they need to be coached.
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Some kids respond well to like the old school disciplined
to bark at them some because some kids shut down
and you're not going to make them a better player
a better person doing that. You got to figure out
how to pick their locks. And parenting's a lot like
that too. If you think it's as mathematical and and
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cut and dried as carpentry, you're going to do it wrong.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
So how did how did the things turn out with
the woman and the kid who said shut up? Did
they just eventually did they stop talking or did they
eventually get up and leave?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
They went back and forth for like maybe another thirty seconds,
and then their food came and I checked out of
that conversation pretty much.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
But yeah, it shocked me.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
But I like that gardening analogy because that makes more
sense that you're going to have more room to kind
of wiggle when things go awry.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know about that mom
dealing with her kid, but like, I only think about
my parenting roughly eighty percent of the time all day long.
So yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Now that's not to say there are no rules in gardening.
For instance, if you feed gatorade to plants, they will die,
as outlined hilariously in the classic movie slash documentary Idiocracy.
All right, of course, that it wasn't gatorade. It was
called what brono brondo or electrolytes.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
It's got electrolytes.
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Speaker 4 (10:57):
I came across this parable and I'm not exactly sure
what to think about it. I think I know what
to think, but I thought it was entertaining. The donkey
told the tiger, the grass is blue. The tiger replied, no,
the grass is green. The discussion became heated, and the
two decided to submit the issue to arbitration. So they
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approached the lion, who apparently is in charge, of course,
king of the jungle, King of the beasts. Sure, donkey,
donkeys and lions coabitating, all right, and getting in arguments
with tigers anyway. As they approached the lion on his throne,
the donkey started screaming.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yours your itis. Isn't it true the grass is blue?
Speaker 4 (11:40):
The lion replied, if you believe it is true, the
grass is blue. The donkey rushed forward and continued, the
tiger disagrees with me. He contradicts me and annoys me.
They should have thrown it. It's a microaggression. Please please
punish him. He's triggering me exactly. Yeah, I got to
rewrite this to make it even more sickening. Let's see.
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The king then declines speech. The tiger will be punished
with three days of silence.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Got to keep his giant, beitoothed mouth shut. That's the punish.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
The donkey jump with joy and went on his way,
content and repeating, the grass is blue, the grass is blue.
The tiger asks the lion, your majesty, why have you
punished me? After all the grass is green. The lion replied,
you've known and seen that the grass is green. The
tiger asked, so, why do you punish me. The lion replied,
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that has nothing to do with the question of whether
the grass is blue or green. The punishment is because
it is degrading for a brave, intelligent creature like you
to waste time arguing with an ass and on top
of that, you came and bothered me with that question
just to validate something you already knew was true. The
biggest waste of time is arguing with the fool and
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fanatic who doesn't care about the truth or reality, but
only the victory of his beliefs and illusions. Never waste
time on discussions that make no sense. There are people who,
for all the evidence presented to them, do not have
the ability to understand others who are blinded by ego, hatred,
and resentment, and the only thing that they want is
to be right, even if they aren't.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
So arguing with the.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Actual donkey, the donctivist, if you will, I can.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
See what I won't, I can say I like it.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
A great example of this is when you have the
two activist groups screaming at each other in the street
over the barricades, and the poor cops are rolling their
eyes thinking, oh my god, I hope I go home
without getting.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Hit over the head with something that's stupid.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
But if the donkeys of the world have taken over
your public school, don't you have to As the lion
point out that they're teaching the lion cubs perverse thing.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Does it ever do any good? I'm not sure it
ever does any good? Like you, of course it does. Well,
you have to uh, well, you're not going to convince them.
You just have more people, I guess. I guess the
thing would be if you got other people like witnessing this,
and you've got to convince them, but convincing the one
the one person they're not going to change their mind. Well, right,
And that's what.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Bothers me a little bit about this parable, and it's
thought provoking anyway. Is if you go if you as
the tiger, for instance, saying confused adolescent girls should not
be told they're actually little boys because puberty scary, especially
for girls.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
If you are the tiger.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Advocating that, and you go to the lion of the electorate,
that's what you have to do. I mean, if it's
just a story about animals in the forest at each other,
then it's not a parable. It's just a mildly amusing story.
But if it's a parable, it obviously has.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Something to do with as a humankind.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
And if you've got the donkey pitching that the grass
is blow oh and it's like infected the public schools
and your kids come home with a dad, you're wrong,
the grass is blue. And my teacher says, you're a
hater and a racist for saying that you gotta go
to the lion, don't you.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Well, yeah, I suppose, But I think the parable works
for just individuals which I was picturing. I wasn't picturing
the public square is just if I recognize the guy
at the end of the bar is like the donkey
about some topic, I'm not going to engage them. What's
the freaking point?
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Oh I agree with that one hundred percent Katie's thoughts
on the donkeys.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
There's no place in time or space where donkeys and
lions have been in the same orbit, is there unless
the lion's already full, let alone talking donkeys and talking lions. Yeah,
that's what I was stuck on. Yeah, a donkey lion
having a conversation. This is baffling, exactly. It's a parable.
You know, I'm skull, come on over my head. Yeah,
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you're right. It's an individual thing and fair enough and
very very true. Do not Well, I know some people
feel it seems like they enjoy it. There's no point
in arguing with some people about some topics. Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Well, and the fact that a lot of people just
want to be quote unquote they want to win the argument.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
They don't care if they're right. It works both ways too.
I mean, sometimes I've been I don't think I've ever
said this, but I've been in conversation before where I
could say, look, I've thought and read about this a lot.
Nothing's gonna change my mind. I mean, you can say
it louder and slower if you like your opinion, but
it's not going to change my mind.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
So or you can hint that I'm an idiot for
not agreeing with you, but you're really wasting your time
and mine, you donkey. Interestingly enough, Kentucky bluegrass is not
blue either.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
It's slightly bluer. I was disappointed in that by a
kid as a kid, not by a kid as a kid.
When I heard about bluegrass, I thought, this is gonna
be awesome. My dad got bluegrass for the yard, didn't
InformATE it. All the other kids are going to be
so chell us. Yeah, grass is blue, is merged Simpson's hair.
This is gonna be great. You guys just ruined my dad.
I didn't know this. You didn't, all right?
Speaker 4 (17:10):
No, never been to Kentucky then, huh.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
No, I have not, and I have all these dreams.
I just pictured blue lawns everywhere.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I pictured that too. Yeah, I pictured that, and I
just had it in my mind. It looks so fantastic,
turned on not to be true.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Bluebirds are blue, berries are blue. There's grasses green w.
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Speaker 2 (17:48):
So we're about to play a cliff of John Cougar
mellencamp uh talking at a concert. Is this one of
the concerts that he's doing with Willie Nelson and Bob Dylan?
Or is he on his own here on his own hair?
So he's touring with I know he's going to be
I think at the Hollywood Bowl in LA which i'd
like to see melonhead Willie Nelson and the ancient Bob Dylan.
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Of course, Bob Dylan's not ancient compared to Willie Nelson,
who just turned ninety. All right, it's got to be
something when he sings. I was just reading a set
list on these concerts, and Willie sings among these classics. Funny,
how time slips away? Did it slip away? You've been
on ninety years. I don't think it slipped away. Something
happened to you when you were thirty, Eh, it was
sixty years ago. It didn't just slip away. But I
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thought the set list would be interesting. It's not really.
It's pretty much the songs you expect, melonhead sings, pink houses,
and you know that sort of stuff. I wonder why
he's touring.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
A couple of years ago, he said he had no
interest in being a jukebox. If people didn't particularly want
to hear new music or new versions of old songs.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
That's fine. He had no interest in being a jukebox.
He did get a tooth knocked out by his kid,
like a year or so ago. Did that cause him
any financial difficulties? He and his son got in a fistfight.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
I don't imagine he can afford basic dentistry.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
But I don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
I have no idea of his financial wherewithal. Why is
WILLI doing it? That's just what he does. I don't
think he can imagine any other life, right, And like
Keith Richards the Rolling Stones, why in the world would
they play more shows, much less launch a giant tour?
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Well, I think Willie, that's what they do. Willie's paying
off his tax debts, right, I.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Don't know if he still has that. But that story
was thirty years ago, Michael. But he also he travels
with his sons I've watched some of the videos from
the bus and his kids are like sixty so, but
he travels with the sons who are in the band too,
so it's probably probably a pretty good time. I mean,
what would be better than that? Really? Actually, I can't
think of anything that would be better than that. So,
and then Bob Dylan. I don't know what Bob Dylan's doing.
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He is a same man. He doesn't the money or
the acclaim or the maybe he likes hotels, I don't know.
But John Cougar is on stage for a while, and
do we need to know anything else about that? Just no,
he starts, he's just talking to the crowd. Okay, here
we go, and she went.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
It's just like he ready to be a smart like
from when I'm talking to Jesus.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
And then he got real quiet. What do you think?
Speaker 4 (20:31):
I mean, Hey, Joe, find this guy and then they
see him after the show.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Anyway, before I was saludely interrupted, guys, I can solve
this show right now. I'm just doing.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Since you've been so wonderful, I'm going to cut about
ten songs.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Out of the show. So that's a tape of over
did he actually leave? Wow? And he actually left. That's
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not cool. Don't let an a hole and the show.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
So you heard that the crowd was entirely on your side,
just one guy.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
So it's into a story. Some guy play some music,
which is hurtful if you're telling a story that you
think is either funny or important or something like that. Right,
and but yeah, I think the rest of the crowd
was at least willing to listen to your story, if
not enthusiastic about it. Yeah, that was weir.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
No, it sounded like they were with him. They laughed
at the joke and everything. It was just fine.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
And some of them even went ah, hey at the
guy who interrupt them.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
So a lot of people did. Yeah. So then he
plays like six bars of Jack and Dian leaves. Wow. Yeah,
he's old and bitter. I ain't have time for that.
I have thought about this a lot. I so on
Charlie Rose, which I miss a lot. The TV show
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he had in the same week. I think John Mellencamp
and John Prine. If you don't know Joan Prine, he
was a very old singer songwriter who never had commercial
success like John Mellencamp, but was hugely adored by people
who like music. Anyway, He died COVID but had him
on both that week, so they're both super old and
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at the end of their careers. And it struck me
how John Prine had what I hope I can have
when I'm old, but I don't think I can because
I don't even have it now. He just had. He
just had like a rye. This is kind of funny,
isn't it, view of getting older? I mean, this is
almost amusing what this is like, the health problems and
the this and the that, and the kids and the
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marriage and just the way these songs were like that too.
But John Mellencamp was clearly a bitter it went by
too fast, sad, and I relate to those feelings, but
just you know, I wish I wish I were still thirty,
you know, that sort of thing, And I thought those
are there's two really good examples, has nothing to do
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with being famous. Of how you approach getting older. You
either just accept it and kind of enjoy it and
marvel at its everything that's it's evolved, or be really
bitter that you're not thirty and cool anymore, like Mellencamp was.
And I just thought that was interesting, and I can
say heard a little of it there. Yeah, I think. Well,
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let me start with this.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Was playing golf the other day and we saw some
distance away a mutual friend talked about him a little bit.
One of the most cheerful guys you've ever met. This
guy wakes up in the morning, cheerful, he goes to
bed cheerful. He's just made like that, and it's it's
an amazing blessing. And I commented to my buddy, who
also has a more than one kid, I said, anybody
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who's raised multiple kids knows you come out of the
womb like that, or you don't. I've always said that,
And this number is pulled out of my imagination that
you got maybe about fifteen twenty percent around the edges.
You can push yourself in this way or push yourself
in that way, but you are who you are.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
And I just I don't know.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Could John Mellencamp have ever been John Prine in his
old age?
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Maybe? I don't know. I don't know either. You're I
think you're right about that.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
And at fifteen and twenty percent, you could either go
fifteen percent more bitter and awful or fifteen percent more
cheerful and optimistic, and that that makes a big difference
in your life. I'm not saying it's insignificant. I'm just
and my buddy's name is Dan. I was born annoyed.
I'm never going to be Dan, right, and I love
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the guy and we're good friends. Actually, I think my
acerbic eye rolling view of the world is amusing to him,
and blah blah whatever it works. The one thing I know,
and I try, I've tried to be honest about this
with myself. All of us want, all of us attribute
our good qualities to choice and our bad qualities to genetics.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yeah, I got a strength of character.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Yeah, all the good things about me are because I
chose to be that way, and I.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Worked hard to be that right, right. I gotta admit
when I when I was taking in the two different
attitudes about growing old and your and your your best
days being behind you, I related to the emotions of
John Mellencamp a lot more than John Brown. I'd like
to be like John Bryan, but I feel in my head,
in my heart more like John Mellencamp, for whatever reason,
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because I think I'm born that way.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
I was.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
This is where I am.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Yeah, and then there's the question of epigenetics, which is
one of my favorite things I've ever learned. You have
your genetics, but then you've got a bunch of things
in your genes.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Try to end up with a half cat, half dog
sort of situation. Is that what that is? Yeah, that's
that's right, exactly.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Yeah, yeah, No, it's there are like triggers that you
have genetically, and if certain things happen to you or
you run into them, that those switches might be flipped.
But if you don't go through those things, they won't
be If your environment is you have good nutrition or whatever,
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it'll never manifest itself itself. It's not like the entirety
of who you are is determined by your genetics. Your
experience and your life plays a role too in various ways.
But you know, we're in the early days of really
understanding that stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
I just remember. So they both sang songs that week,
and John Prine's song at that time. This is the
last album before he died. I think it was When
I Get to Heaven, And there's a line in there
something about I'm gonna kiss that pretty girl on the
tilted Whirl. I'm gonna smoke a cigarette that's nine miles long.
It's it's like looking back on the best parts of
your life and wanting to relive them, or getting to
smoke cigarette again. And John Couer had a line in
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his song and all your best efforts don't amount to
anything anymore, And I thought, wow, that's just such two
different views of where you are at the end of
your career. And one of you is happy and one
of you is miserable. But like you said, maybe you
can't control that. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
I don't know. That's interesting acceptance is that how much
of that is inborn your capacity to just accept your
life and it's reality.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I'm gonna be a really bitter old person. I think
I'm pretty bitter young. Yeah, well I can see that.
I will be quite self deprecating, but a bitter Oprah.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
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Speaker 4 (28:17):
Fathers get a day, but we get a month of
alphabet soup.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
I like to the alternate people, what I don't think
that's the society is this. I think that's the point
of Pride Month.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
And that's so it's all due respect to my my
gay friends who are uniformly with the meme I saw
the other day.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
LGB is all we need. The rest is not us well,
and it's not just a month, as you know, there
are a whole bunch of other weeks and days around
the same theme throughout the years, so it's not just
a month a year.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Yeah, but fathers get a day. And the reason that
into my mind as we have some kind of Father's
Day related stuff and you know, maybe it would have
been better then because fathers only get one day. Then
you ought to shut up about the importance of fathers.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Hey, you weren't here on Friday when Katie and I
and Michael had the discussion that we've had for many
years of looking for a Father's Day card and trying
to find one that's not a joke about flatulence or
drinking beer or watching TV. Mother's Day cards are all
you know, There are some joke Mother's Day cards, but
there's tons of how important and valued and crucial mothers are.
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Dad's Day cards are all jokes about. Yeah, what I
just said yeah, yeah, very true.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
So anyway, why would be we be in the least
hesitant to continue Father's Day thoughts or respect or that
sort of thing. Let's begin with Clip Tenant's Tristan cass Casas.
He's a Boston Red Sox player, telling us a story
about his dad.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
So I'm in coach pitch and you know, I'm so young,
I don't really know what's going on at this point. Still,
I'm still just playing baseball just to burn calories and
get out there and get some son right right. And
you know, I get out one day and I come
back to the dug out crying, pissed, And you know,
that's that's what a six year old does. He sits
on the bench and he cries, and he doesn't want
to go out there when you know.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
His team's playing defense.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
So my dad, you know, being the dad that he is,
trying to teach me the lessons that he did in
his own special way, came into the dugout. He actually
grabbed me by my shirt, dragged me to the line,
and looney Tune style kicked me out onto the field
and actually had one of my best friends that I
went to high school with. Later he ended up playing
pro ball. His mom actually called child services. I'm like
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dad at the field, no, no, no, for real, there's
no joke at the field. I see my dad go
away in the cop car gets arrested.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Send the nice of joke here.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
But that day, that day, my dad taught me a
super valuable lesson that not a lot of people know.
And it's that I had a responsibility to my teammates,
I had a responsibility to my coaches, to the parents
that showed up that day, all the fans who were
at that little league game, whatever it may be, to
go out there and give my best effort, no matter
how I was feeling on the bench, no matter what
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I was going through that day, or whatever little hardship
that I was feeling when I got out, that I
still apply every single time, because sometimes I just want
to sit down on this bench after I get out
and I want to weave and I want to cry.
But that's that's not how baseball is. So yeah, I
love my dad to death. I wouldn't have this opportunity
without him. But yeah, funny little excerpt that's about that.
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That's the type of gay my dad is.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
So that's true that I like the Looney Tuth reference.
It is an amazing story.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
That took a turn though she called CPS and they
actually spent the night in jail.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Yeah. Wow, did not see that coming. Wow. Yeah, Ed
is a good story. Also, like the fact that he's
six and he said the reason he was playing was
to burn calories get some sun. I ever thought about
that when I was six. I better work off this
pomp tart.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Well, wow, that second shot with Chip Cookie was totally unnecessary.
I'm gonna go play some baseball. Yeah, that's that's funny.
It reminds me of a conversation we've had before that
you know, the and it's a cliche and certainly the
roles overlap. But when little Johnny skins his knee, Mom is,
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oh honey, oh no, and Dad's like, you'll be fine,
You'll be great, and that whole And I remember my
dad was my baseball coach a lot too, and he
would come out to the mound when I was pitching,
and I've said this, told this story before too. He'd
say get this guy out or I'm gonna pull you.
And it wasn't cruelty. It was a way to focus
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me and to say you know you have a job
to do. Here is what it is. I'm not out
of here. I'm not out here to tell you everything's
gonna be okay, because telling you go do it is
telling you everything's going to be okay, telling you, ah,
you're fine, go run and play. It's a empowering message
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to look at me a man to man, even as
like a fifteen year old, and say focus, get.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
This guy out.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
That's a compliment shift we've experienced. Yeah, i'd say, oh yeah,
I can.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Plus, you know, as I've said before, I was like, you,
damn right, I'm getting this guy out.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
You're not pulling me. And it's just it's that's.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
What coaching is. That's what man to man coaching is. Now,
it can cross the line into being an a hole
if you're a bad coach, but it was a very
good coach.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
I don't know. Anxiety. It's going to cause anxiety.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
This is reminded me of a story my dad told me.
He played football in high school and my grandfather, his
dad was a surgeon, and my dad took a cleat
to the shin during a game and my granddad sewed
him up in the team. Team locker room and then
said get your ass back out there.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
And this was during the Civil War, Yeah, pretty much,
I as well been mid sixties.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
On the other hand, Katie, do we need any setup
for clip twelve?
Speaker 3 (34:21):
No, this is just where we're headed if this woke
crap continues.
Speaker 7 (34:26):
Hey, non binary offspring, Hey, non gender specific parent. Just
wanted to let you know that dinner is ready if
you can sent to it. Of course I don't. I
don't consent. Well, I was thinking maybe in an hour
or so, if you're up to it, me and your
other non gender specific parent can sit in the living
room and breathe for a little bit if it doesn't
trigger you. Of course, you know, I'm not sure if
I'm triggered by that or offended. I quite honestly, I
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don't know what to feel anymore. Trust me, I don't
know either.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Honey.
Speaker 7 (34:51):
Oh my god, did you just call me honey?
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Oh my god?
Speaker 7 (34:53):
I am so sorry. That's harassment. Please don't tweet about this.
I already did. Well, it looks like my career is over.
Well maybe I think twenty times before you talk, we'll
have to live on the streets. Well, that doesn't matter
to me, because my feelings are more important than all
of our physical well beings. Okay, well, I'm gonna go
into the living room and cry I love you.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
You don't have to say it back.
Speaker 7 (35:11):
I'm not going to wow.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Parent and child in the year twenty sixty.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
That's pretty good. I don't know if I'm triggered or offended.
I don't know what I'm feeling anymore. I can't believe
that dude's dad spent the night in jail. Yeah, all right,
I gotta ask how hard did he kick him? I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
The boy looking back is he's full of love and
he did the right thing and laughing about it, So yeah,
he does.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
I don't know. That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Yeah, yeah, Wow, that's quite a story.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
You know.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
They kicked each other pretty hard in those Limy Tunes cartoons.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Occasionally it was borderline brutality. Michael, you quit right, The
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
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it wherever you find all your podcasts. So this blew
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my mind.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
The other day, my husband and I went to a
restaurant and we're sitting there eating and I could just
overhear the conversation happening next to me. It's a mom
and her daughter who's maybe thirteen.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Are you aby, Are you a person that can tune
out people next to you or can't tune out people?
I cannot yet nuts. I easily can turn out conversations
with me, But like I have friends and family members
who can, and you can't talk to them if there's
someone else talking over there because they can't stop listening
to them. I guess you're either built that way or
you're not.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
I have a very hard time tuning out extraneous audio.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah, same here so and I couldn't tune this out
at all. And again, she was maybe thirteen, and they're
talking about something and they weren't agreeing, and this little
girl goes shut up mom, and the mom didn't react
and they continue to argue, and my jaw dropped because
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when I was raised telling my parents to shut up,
I mean, I've never done that. I have never in
my life told my mom or dad to shut up
in a serious manner. There was one time my dad
and I were joking around and I accidentally went to
shut up, and I stopped dead in my tracks in
fear because I was like, I know those words aren't uttered, right,
But I know parenting is changing generationally?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Is that okay? Now?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Is telling your parents to shut up like a normal thing?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Jack? Have your kids ever dared? One kid did once?
But yeah, no that was not okay. It did not
go well, okay kids, right?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I just I don't know if there's if that's a
shift that's happening where the way you talk to your
parents is changing. But the way that the mom didn't react,
I'm sitting there going.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
What I wouldn't take it in any tone, but was
the tone kind of like the valley go oh, shut up? No,
they were they were having a serious call. Wow, shut
your pie hole? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Yeah, so that certainly would not have washed in my house.
I think one of one of the kids may have
tried it at one point and it went very poorly.
But how long is a generation?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
They usually say twenty years.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yeah, I think okay, well all right then, well at
least my oldest kid in your youngest kid. I raised
my kids during the previous generation, which is kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Shut up still is not fly with anybody I know.
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
If it does, you need to take a paring in class.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Okay, Like Kevin Hart's got a bit where he's talking
about how it turns out he was mistaken but he
thought his kid he was yelling down to his kid
to do something, and he thought his kid yelled fu
said the words to him, and he just like gets what.
He's like, what what? What just happened here? And the
crowd just goes berserk about the idea of a kid
(03:29):
saying that to their parent, which I was happy to hear,
but that was just like roundly seen as oh my god,
a nuclear bomb just went off. That is not okay,
how is he going to react to this? It turns
out he mishurt his kid over something like that. But yeah, no,
shut up is not okay, any but any world I
know of.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Okay, that brings me some comfort because the kid, the
girl was similar to your kid's age and I was.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
But the fact that the mom, I mean, she just
took it, oh boy, that I feel bad for both
of them because uh almost guaranteed that's a bad situation
either happening or going to happen. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
I remember back when I was raising my kids and
would talk about it on the air, and people would
call in or you know, write in with questions and
that sort of thing. What I thought, and a number
of times I thought, my first piece of advice is
get a time machine, because you're asking me how do
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I undo fourteen years of getting it wrong?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
And yeah, you know.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
It's like after your fifth heart attack saying to your doctor,
you know, well, it's you know what I'm saying. Oh.
I came across a great thing on parenting that I
was going to edit for the show because it's long,
but I wish, wish, wish I'd read it when my
kids were young. Jonah Goldberg actually wrote it. He's quoting
a bunch of other people, but he's talking about how
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there's a new book by a developmental psychologist who had
never heard of before, Alison Kropnik. But the name of
the book is The Gardener and the Carpenter, and she
points out that the very word parenting really only emerged
in the fifties and didn't become popular until the seventies
because until the fifties, people generally lived in their hometown
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near all their relatives, and they would just observe and
everybody's there to help, and you didn't have to learn
about parenting.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
It was self evident.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
You saw it all the time, and your mentors were
around you anyway. But then in the seventies, people got
more isolated, more mobile, they moved away and that sort
of thing, and you had these parenting experts pop up.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
And often with no kids or bad kids. Right, that's right, Yeah, yeah,
there's plenty of that too. But ms.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Gropnik point says that parents began to think like carpenters,
who have a clear idea in mind of what they're
trying to achieve. They look carefully at the materials they
have to work with, and it's their job to assemble
those materials into a finished project, the project or product
that can be judged by everyone against clear standards. Are
the right angles? Perfect does the door work? Kropnik notes
that the messiness and veriability are a carpenter's enemies. Precision
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and control are her allies. Measure twice, cut once, et cetera,
and her thing. And I've got to admit I don't
want to get too deep into this because it's incredibly
serious and will make me very sad. But I was
influenced by a calmnist to is a so called parenting expert,
and he was very much of the carpenter's school. And
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when I ran into a kid with special needs, specifically
on the autism spectrum, that was the last thing I needed.
The last thing I needed was a carpenter's point of
view about parenting.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
And MS.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Kropnick's thing here and I haven't read the book is
a better way to think about child wearing is as
a guard. Your job is to create a protected and
nurturing space for plants to flourish. It takes work, but
you don't have to be a perfectionist. Weed the garden,
water it. Step back and the plants will do their
things unpredictably and often with delightful surprises. And it's not
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like a hippie dippy, anything goes she's talking about weeding
the garden and doing what needs to be done.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
But you're not a carpenter or a gardener.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
What exactly is the carpenter's way. I don't know what
you're talking about as far as the carpenter's view.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Would it be fair to say, it's just like, there's
one way to do it, one size fits all to
get this to come out right?
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Essentially, Yeah, it's cut and dried. There are a list
of rules, you follow them, it'll be fine. As opposed
to a garden, where it's much more about nurturing than
forcing that it's absolutely inevitably going to go sideways at times.
If you're a good carpenter, it doesn't go sideways. You
can make cabinet after cabinet after cabinet, and if a
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mistake is or if something goes wrong, that's utterly unacceptable.
Whereas as a gardener, something's always going to go wrong.
That's what the job is and you have to adapt.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah. The only thing I could say to your situation
you overhard, Katie, because I've kind of lived this myself,
is I've got one kid that's got all kinds of
diagnosed things and kinds of medication and all kinds of things.
He has said and done things that if his brother
did them, it would be the end of the world.
But the kid that's got all these various situations, he's
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not always in control of everything he does. And also,
if you react a certain way you're about I mean,
she might have a kid that if she had said
anything to that kid at that moment about that, the
table's getting flipped over. I mean, the police are coming
that sort of thing. Possibly, I don't.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Even think of that possible circumstance that there could you
know that all could have had that problem.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Final bit of wisdom learned too late, at least harshly,
is when I first became a youth sports coach, I
think I went I can't remember where this came from,
but it was pointed out to me that you don't
coach all of your players the same You coach all
of your players the way they need to be coached.
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Some kids respond well to like the old school disciplined
to bark at them some because some kids shut down
and you're not going to make them a better player
a better person doing that. You got to figure out
how to pick their locks. And parenting's a lot like
that too. If you think it's as mathematical and and
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cut and dried as carpentry, you're going to do it wrong.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
So how did how did the things turn out with
the woman and the kid who said shut up? Did
they just eventually did they stop talking or did they
eventually get up and leave?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
They went back and forth for like maybe another thirty seconds,
and then their food came and I checked out of
that conversation pretty much.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
But yeah, it shocked me.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
But I like that gardening analogy because that makes more
sense that you're going to have more room to kind
of wiggle when things go awry.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know about that mom
dealing with her kid, but like, I only think about
my parenting roughly eighty percent of the time all day long.
So yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Now that's not to say there are no rules in gardening.
For instance, if you feed gatorade to plants, they will die,
as outlined hilariously in the classic movie slash documentary Idiocracy.
All right, of course, that it wasn't gatorade. It was
called what brono brondo or electrolytes.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
It's got electrolytes.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
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Speaker 4 (10:57):
I came across this parable and I'm not exactly sure
what to think about it. I think I know what
to think, but I thought it was entertaining. The donkey
told the tiger, the grass is blue. The tiger replied, no,
the grass is green. The discussion became heated, and the
two decided to submit the issue to arbitration. So they
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approached the lion, who apparently is in charge, of course,
king of the jungle, King of the beasts. Sure, donkey,
donkeys and lions coabitating, all right, and getting in arguments
with tigers anyway. As they approached the lion on his throne,
the donkey started screaming.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yours your itis. Isn't it true the grass is blue?
Speaker 4 (11:40):
The lion replied, if you believe it is true, the
grass is blue. The donkey rushed forward and continued, the
tiger disagrees with me. He contradicts me and annoys me.
They should have thrown it. It's a microaggression. Please please
punish him. He's triggering me exactly. Yeah, I got to
rewrite this to make it even more sickening. Let's see.
(12:01):
The king then declines speech. The tiger will be punished
with three days of silence.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Got to keep his giant, beitoothed mouth shut. That's the punish.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
The donkey jump with joy and went on his way,
content and repeating, the grass is blue, the grass is blue.
The tiger asks the lion, your majesty, why have you
punished me? After all the grass is green. The lion replied,
you've known and seen that the grass is green. The
tiger asked, so, why do you punish me. The lion replied,
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that has nothing to do with the question of whether
the grass is blue or green. The punishment is because
it is degrading for a brave, intelligent creature like you
to waste time arguing with an ass and on top
of that, you came and bothered me with that question
just to validate something you already knew was true. The
biggest waste of time is arguing with the fool and
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fanatic who doesn't care about the truth or reality, but
only the victory of his beliefs and illusions. Never waste
time on discussions that make no sense. There are people who,
for all the evidence presented to them, do not have
the ability to understand others who are blinded by ego, hatred,
and resentment, and the only thing that they want is
to be right, even if they aren't.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
So arguing with the.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Actual donkey, the donctivist, if you will, I can.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
See what I won't, I can say I like it.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
A great example of this is when you have the
two activist groups screaming at each other in the street
over the barricades, and the poor cops are rolling their
eyes thinking, oh my god, I hope I go home
without getting.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Hit over the head with something that's stupid.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
But if the donkeys of the world have taken over
your public school, don't you have to As the lion
point out that they're teaching the lion cubs perverse thing.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Does it ever do any good? I'm not sure it
ever does any good? Like you, of course it does. Well,
you have to uh, well, you're not going to convince them.
You just have more people, I guess. I guess the
thing would be if you got other people like witnessing this,
and you've got to convince them, but convincing the one
the one person they're not going to change their mind. Well, right,
And that's what.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Bothers me a little bit about this parable, and it's
thought provoking anyway. Is if you go if you as
the tiger, for instance, saying confused adolescent girls should not
be told they're actually little boys because puberty scary, especially
for girls.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
If you are the tiger.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Advocating that, and you go to the lion of the electorate,
that's what you have to do. I mean, if it's
just a story about animals in the forest at each other,
then it's not a parable. It's just a mildly amusing story.
But if it's a parable, it obviously has.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Something to do with as a humankind.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
And if you've got the donkey pitching that the grass
is blow oh and it's like infected the public schools
and your kids come home with a dad, you're wrong,
the grass is blue. And my teacher says, you're a
hater and a racist for saying that you gotta go
to the lion, don't you.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Well, yeah, I suppose, But I think the parable works
for just individuals which I was picturing. I wasn't picturing
the public square is just if I recognize the guy
at the end of the bar is like the donkey
about some topic, I'm not going to engage them. What's
the freaking point?
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Oh I agree with that one hundred percent Katie's thoughts
on the donkeys.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
There's no place in time or space where donkeys and
lions have been in the same orbit, is there unless
the lion's already full, let alone talking donkeys and talking lions. Yeah,
that's what I was stuck on. Yeah, a donkey lion
having a conversation. This is baffling, exactly. It's a parable.
You know, I'm skull, come on over my head. Yeah,
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you're right. It's an individual thing and fair enough and
very very true. Do not Well, I know some people
feel it seems like they enjoy it. There's no point
in arguing with some people about some topics. Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Well, and the fact that a lot of people just
want to be quote unquote they want to win the argument.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
They don't care if they're right. It works both ways too.
I mean, sometimes I've been I don't think I've ever
said this, but I've been in conversation before where I
could say, look, I've thought and read about this a lot.
Nothing's gonna change my mind. I mean, you can say
it louder and slower if you like your opinion, but
it's not going to change my mind.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
So or you can hint that I'm an idiot for
not agreeing with you, but you're really wasting your time
and mine, you donkey. Interestingly enough, Kentucky bluegrass is not
blue either.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
It's slightly bluer. I was disappointed in that by a
kid as a kid, not by a kid as a kid.
When I heard about bluegrass, I thought, this is gonna
be awesome. My dad got bluegrass for the yard, didn't
InformATE it. All the other kids are going to be
so chell us. Yeah, grass is blue, is merged Simpson's hair.
This is gonna be great. You guys just ruined my dad.
I didn't know this. You didn't, all right?
Speaker 4 (17:10):
No, never been to Kentucky then, huh.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
No, I have not, and I have all these dreams.
I just pictured blue lawns everywhere.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I pictured that too. Yeah, I pictured that, and I
just had it in my mind. It looks so fantastic,
turned on not to be true.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Bluebirds are blue, berries are blue. There's grasses green w.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
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Speaker 2 (17:48):
So we're about to play a cliff of John Cougar
mellencamp uh talking at a concert. Is this one of
the concerts that he's doing with Willie Nelson and Bob Dylan?
Or is he on his own here on his own hair?
So he's touring with I know he's going to be
I think at the Hollywood Bowl in LA which i'd
like to see melonhead Willie Nelson and the ancient Bob Dylan.
(18:12):
Of course, Bob Dylan's not ancient compared to Willie Nelson,
who just turned ninety. All right, it's got to be
something when he sings. I was just reading a set
list on these concerts, and Willie sings among these classics. Funny,
how time slips away? Did it slip away? You've been
on ninety years. I don't think it slipped away. Something
happened to you when you were thirty, Eh, it was
sixty years ago. It didn't just slip away. But I
(18:37):
thought the set list would be interesting. It's not really.
It's pretty much the songs you expect, melonhead sings, pink houses,
and you know that sort of stuff. I wonder why
he's touring.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
A couple of years ago, he said he had no
interest in being a jukebox. If people didn't particularly want
to hear new music or new versions of old songs.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
That's fine. He had no interest in being a jukebox.
He did get a tooth knocked out by his kid,
like a year or so ago. Did that cause him
any financial difficulties? He and his son got in a fistfight.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
I don't imagine he can afford basic dentistry.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
But I don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
I have no idea of his financial wherewithal. Why is
WILLI doing it? That's just what he does. I don't
think he can imagine any other life, right, And like
Keith Richards the Rolling Stones, why in the world would
they play more shows, much less launch a giant tour?
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Well, I think Willie, that's what they do. Willie's paying
off his tax debts, right, I.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Don't know if he still has that. But that story
was thirty years ago, Michael. But he also he travels
with his sons I've watched some of the videos from
the bus and his kids are like sixty so, but
he travels with the sons who are in the band too,
so it's probably probably a pretty good time. I mean,
what would be better than that? Really? Actually, I can't
think of anything that would be better than that. So,
and then Bob Dylan. I don't know what Bob Dylan's doing.
(19:56):
He is a same man. He doesn't the money or
the acclaim or the maybe he likes hotels, I don't know.
But John Cougar is on stage for a while, and
do we need to know anything else about that? Just no,
he starts, he's just talking to the crowd. Okay, here
we go, and she went.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
It's just like he ready to be a smart like
from when I'm talking to Jesus.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
And then he got real quiet. What do you think?
Speaker 4 (20:31):
I mean, Hey, Joe, find this guy and then they
see him after the show.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Anyway, before I was saludely interrupted, guys, I can solve
this show right now. I'm just doing.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Since you've been so wonderful, I'm going to cut about
ten songs.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Out of the show. So that's a tape of over
did he actually leave? Wow? And he actually left. That's
(21:25):
not cool. Don't let an a hole and the show.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
So you heard that the crowd was entirely on your side,
just one guy.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
So it's into a story. Some guy play some music,
which is hurtful if you're telling a story that you
think is either funny or important or something like that. Right,
and but yeah, I think the rest of the crowd
was at least willing to listen to your story, if
not enthusiastic about it. Yeah, that was weir.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
No, it sounded like they were with him. They laughed
at the joke and everything. It was just fine.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
And some of them even went ah, hey at the
guy who interrupt them.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
So a lot of people did. Yeah. So then he
plays like six bars of Jack and Dian leaves. Wow. Yeah,
he's old and bitter. I ain't have time for that.
I have thought about this a lot. I so on
Charlie Rose, which I miss a lot. The TV show
(22:22):
he had in the same week. I think John Mellencamp
and John Prine. If you don't know Joan Prine, he
was a very old singer songwriter who never had commercial
success like John Mellencamp, but was hugely adored by people
who like music. Anyway, He died COVID but had him
on both that week, so they're both super old and
(22:44):
at the end of their careers. And it struck me
how John Prine had what I hope I can have
when I'm old, but I don't think I can because
I don't even have it now. He just had. He
just had like a rye. This is kind of funny,
isn't it, view of getting older? I mean, this is
almost amusing what this is like, the health problems and
the this and the that, and the kids and the
(23:05):
marriage and just the way these songs were like that too.
But John Mellencamp was clearly a bitter it went by
too fast, sad, and I relate to those feelings, but
just you know, I wish I wish I were still thirty,
you know, that sort of thing, And I thought those
are there's two really good examples, has nothing to do
(23:28):
with being famous. Of how you approach getting older. You
either just accept it and kind of enjoy it and
marvel at its everything that's it's evolved, or be really
bitter that you're not thirty and cool anymore, like Mellencamp was.
And I just thought that was interesting, and I can
say heard a little of it there. Yeah, I think. Well,
(23:50):
let me start with this.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Was playing golf the other day and we saw some
distance away a mutual friend talked about him a little bit.
One of the most cheerful guys you've ever met. This
guy wakes up in the morning, cheerful, he goes to
bed cheerful. He's just made like that, and it's it's
an amazing blessing. And I commented to my buddy, who
also has a more than one kid, I said, anybody
(24:16):
who's raised multiple kids knows you come out of the
womb like that, or you don't. I've always said that,
And this number is pulled out of my imagination that
you got maybe about fifteen twenty percent around the edges.
You can push yourself in this way or push yourself
in that way, but you are who you are.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
And I just I don't know.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Could John Mellencamp have ever been John Prine in his
old age?
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Maybe? I don't know. I don't know either. You're I
think you're right about that.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
And at fifteen and twenty percent, you could either go
fifteen percent more bitter and awful or fifteen percent more
cheerful and optimistic, and that that makes a big difference
in your life. I'm not saying it's insignificant. I'm just
and my buddy's name is Dan. I was born annoyed.
I'm never going to be Dan, right, and I love
(25:08):
the guy and we're good friends. Actually, I think my
acerbic eye rolling view of the world is amusing to him,
and blah blah whatever it works. The one thing I know,
and I try, I've tried to be honest about this
with myself. All of us want, all of us attribute
our good qualities to choice and our bad qualities to genetics.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yeah, I got a strength of character.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Yeah, all the good things about me are because I
chose to be that way, and I.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Worked hard to be that right, right. I gotta admit
when I when I was taking in the two different
attitudes about growing old and your and your your best
days being behind you, I related to the emotions of
John Mellencamp a lot more than John Brown. I'd like
to be like John Bryan, but I feel in my head,
in my heart more like John Mellencamp, for whatever reason,
(26:01):
because I think I'm born that way.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
I was.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
This is where I am.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Yeah, and then there's the question of epigenetics, which is
one of my favorite things I've ever learned. You have
your genetics, but then you've got a bunch of things
in your genes.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Try to end up with a half cat, half dog
sort of situation. Is that what that is? Yeah, that's
that's right, exactly.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Yeah, yeah, No, it's there are like triggers that you
have genetically, and if certain things happen to you or
you run into them, that those switches might be flipped.
But if you don't go through those things, they won't
be If your environment is you have good nutrition or whatever,
(26:41):
it'll never manifest itself itself. It's not like the entirety
of who you are is determined by your genetics. Your
experience and your life plays a role too in various ways.
But you know, we're in the early days of really
understanding that stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
I just remember. So they both sang songs that week,
and John Prine's song at that time. This is the
last album before he died. I think it was When
I Get to Heaven, And there's a line in there
something about I'm gonna kiss that pretty girl on the
tilted Whirl. I'm gonna smoke a cigarette that's nine miles long.
It's it's like looking back on the best parts of
your life and wanting to relive them, or getting to
smoke cigarette again. And John Couer had a line in
(27:20):
his song and all your best efforts don't amount to
anything anymore, And I thought, wow, that's just such two
different views of where you are at the end of
your career. And one of you is happy and one
of you is miserable. But like you said, maybe you
can't control that. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
I don't know. That's interesting acceptance is that how much
of that is inborn your capacity to just accept your
life and it's reality.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I'm gonna be a really bitter old person. I think
I'm pretty bitter young. Yeah, well I can see that.
I will be quite self deprecating, but a bitter Oprah.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
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Speaker 4 (28:17):
Fathers get a day, but we get a month of
alphabet soup.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
I like to the alternate people, what I don't think
that's the society is this. I think that's the point
of Pride Month.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
And that's so it's all due respect to my my
gay friends who are uniformly with the meme I saw
the other day.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
LGB is all we need. The rest is not us well,
and it's not just a month, as you know, there
are a whole bunch of other weeks and days around
the same theme throughout the years, so it's not just
a month a year.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Yeah, but fathers get a day. And the reason that
into my mind as we have some kind of Father's
Day related stuff and you know, maybe it would have
been better then because fathers only get one day. Then
you ought to shut up about the importance of fathers.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Hey, you weren't here on Friday when Katie and I
and Michael had the discussion that we've had for many
years of looking for a Father's Day card and trying
to find one that's not a joke about flatulence or
drinking beer or watching TV. Mother's Day cards are all
you know, There are some joke Mother's Day cards, but
there's tons of how important and valued and crucial mothers are.
(29:34):
Dad's Day cards are all jokes about. Yeah, what I
just said yeah, yeah, very true.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
So anyway, why would be we be in the least
hesitant to continue Father's Day thoughts or respect or that
sort of thing. Let's begin with Clip Tenant's Tristan cass Casas.
He's a Boston Red Sox player, telling us a story
about his dad.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
So I'm in coach pitch and you know, I'm so young,
I don't really know what's going on at this point. Still,
I'm still just playing baseball just to burn calories and
get out there and get some son right right. And
you know, I get out one day and I come
back to the dug out crying, pissed, And you know,
that's that's what a six year old does. He sits
on the bench and he cries, and he doesn't want
to go out there when you know.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
His team's playing defense.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
So my dad, you know, being the dad that he is,
trying to teach me the lessons that he did in
his own special way, came into the dugout. He actually
grabbed me by my shirt, dragged me to the line,
and looney Tune style kicked me out onto the field
and actually had one of my best friends that I
went to high school with. Later he ended up playing
pro ball. His mom actually called child services. I'm like
(30:42):
dad at the field, no, no, no, for real, there's
no joke at the field. I see my dad go
away in the cop car gets arrested.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Send the nice of joke here.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
But that day, that day, my dad taught me a
super valuable lesson that not a lot of people know.
And it's that I had a responsibility to my teammates,
I had a responsibility to my coaches, to the parents
that showed up that day, all the fans who were
at that little league game, whatever it may be, to
go out there and give my best effort, no matter
how I was feeling on the bench, no matter what
(31:11):
I was going through that day, or whatever little hardship
that I was feeling when I got out, that I
still apply every single time, because sometimes I just want
to sit down on this bench after I get out
and I want to weave and I want to cry.
But that's that's not how baseball is. So yeah, I
love my dad to death. I wouldn't have this opportunity
without him. But yeah, funny little excerpt that's about that.
(31:31):
That's the type of gay my dad is.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
So that's true that I like the Looney Tuth reference.
It is an amazing story.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
That took a turn though she called CPS and they
actually spent the night in jail.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Yeah. Wow, did not see that coming. Wow. Yeah, Ed
is a good story. Also, like the fact that he's
six and he said the reason he was playing was
to burn calories get some sun. I ever thought about
that when I was six. I better work off this
pomp tart.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Well, wow, that second shot with Chip Cookie was totally unnecessary.
I'm gonna go play some baseball. Yeah, that's that's funny.
It reminds me of a conversation we've had before that
you know, the and it's a cliche and certainly the
roles overlap. But when little Johnny skins his knee, Mom is,
(32:27):
oh honey, oh no, and Dad's like, you'll be fine,
You'll be great, and that whole And I remember my
dad was my baseball coach a lot too, and he
would come out to the mound when I was pitching,
and I've said this, told this story before too. He'd
say get this guy out or I'm gonna pull you.
And it wasn't cruelty. It was a way to focus
(32:48):
me and to say you know you have a job
to do. Here is what it is. I'm not out
of here. I'm not out here to tell you everything's
gonna be okay, because telling you go do it is
telling you everything's going to be okay, telling you, ah,
you're fine, go run and play. It's a empowering message
(33:11):
to look at me a man to man, even as
like a fifteen year old, and say focus, get.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
This guy out.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
That's a compliment shift we've experienced. Yeah, i'd say, oh yeah,
I can.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Plus, you know, as I've said before, I was like, you,
damn right, I'm getting this guy out.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
You're not pulling me. And it's just it's that's.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
What coaching is. That's what man to man coaching is. Now,
it can cross the line into being an a hole
if you're a bad coach, but it was a very
good coach.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
I don't know. Anxiety. It's going to cause anxiety.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
This is reminded me of a story my dad told me.
He played football in high school and my grandfather, his
dad was a surgeon, and my dad took a cleat
to the shin during a game and my granddad sewed
him up in the team. Team locker room and then
said get your ass back out there.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
And this was during the Civil War, Yeah, pretty much,
I as well been mid sixties.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
On the other hand, Katie, do we need any setup
for clip twelve?
Speaker 3 (34:21):
No, this is just where we're headed if this woke
crap continues.
Speaker 7 (34:26):
Hey, non binary offspring, Hey, non gender specific parent. Just
wanted to let you know that dinner is ready if
you can sent to it. Of course I don't. I
don't consent. Well, I was thinking maybe in an hour
or so, if you're up to it, me and your
other non gender specific parent can sit in the living
room and breathe for a little bit if it doesn't
trigger you. Of course, you know, I'm not sure if
I'm triggered by that or offended. I quite honestly, I
(34:47):
don't know what to feel anymore. Trust me, I don't
know either.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Honey.
Speaker 7 (34:51):
Oh my god, did you just call me honey?
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Oh my god?
Speaker 7 (34:53):
I am so sorry. That's harassment. Please don't tweet about this.
I already did. Well, it looks like my career is over.
Well maybe I think twenty times before you talk, we'll
have to live on the streets. Well, that doesn't matter
to me, because my feelings are more important than all
of our physical well beings. Okay, well, I'm gonna go
into the living room and cry I love you.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
You don't have to say it back.
Speaker 7 (35:11):
I'm not going to wow.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Parent and child in the year twenty sixty.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
That's pretty good. I don't know if I'm triggered or offended.
I don't know what I'm feeling anymore. I can't believe
that dude's dad spent the night in jail. Yeah, all right,
I gotta ask how hard did he kick him? I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
The boy looking back is he's full of love and
he did the right thing and laughing about it, So yeah,
he does.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
I don't know. That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Yeah, yeah, Wow, that's quite a story.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
You know.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
They kicked each other pretty hard in those Limy Tunes cartoons.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
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