December 25, 2024 • 35 mins
Featured during Hour 2 of the Wednesday, December 25, 2024 edition of The Armstrong & Getty Replay...
- Teen Kids Tell Parents to Shut Up at Restaurant/The Carpenters Way...
- Joe Finds a Parable...
- The Love Panel--Stalker or Beeoch?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, we're I'mstrong and Getty. We're featuring our podcast One
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
So this blew my mind.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
The other day, my husband and I went to a
restaurant and we're sitting there eating and I could just
overhear the conversation happening next to me. It's a mom
and her daughter who's maybe thirteen.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Are you aby, Are you a person that can tune
out people next to you or can't tune out people?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I cannot? Yeah, and it drive me nuts.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I easily can turn out conversations with me, but like
I have friends and family members who can't, And you
can't talk to them if there's someone else talking over
there because they can't stop listening to them. It's I
guess you're either built that way or you're not.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
I have a very hard time tuning out extraneous audio.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Yeah, same here, so and I couldn't tune this out
at all. And again, she was maybe thirteen, and they're
talking about something and they weren't agreeing, and this little
girl goes shut up mom, and the mom didn't react
and they continue to argue, and my jaw dropped because
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when I was raised telling my parents to shut up.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I mean, I've never done that.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I have never in my life told my mom or
dad to shut up in a serious manner. There was
one time my dad and I were joking around and
I accidentally went to shut up, and I stopped dead
in my tracks in fear because I was like, I
know those words aren't uttered, right, But I know parenting
is changing generation generationally?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Is that okay? Now? Is telling your parents to shut
up like a normal thing? Jack? Have your kids ever dared?
Speaker 5 (01:34):
One kid did once? But yeah, no, that was not okay.
It did not go well, okay, kids, right?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I just I don't know if there's if that's a
shift that's happening where the way you talk to your
parents is changing. But the way that the mom didn't react,
I'm sitting there going what.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I wouldn't take it in any tone, But was the
tone kind of like the valley go oh, shut up?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
No, they were they were having a serious cone.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Wow, shut your pie hole.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Yeah, so that certainly would not have washed in my house.
I think one of the kids may have tried it
at one point and it went very poorly. But how
long is a generation? They usually say twenty years Yeah,
I think, okay, well all right then, well, at least
my oldest kid in your youngest kid. I raised my
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kids during the previous generation, which is kind of funny.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
Shut up still is not fly with anybody I know.
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
If it does, you need to take a parent in class.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Okay, Like Kevin Hart's got a bit where he's talking
about how it turns out he was mistaken but he
thought his kid he was yelling down to his kid
to do something, and he thought his kid yelled fu
said the words to him, and he just like gets
He's like what what?
Speaker 5 (02:54):
What just happened here?
Speaker 1 (02:55):
And the crowd just goes berserk about the idea of
a kid saying that to their pres which I was
happy to hear, but that was just like roundly seen
as oh my god, a nuclear bomb just went off.
That is not okay. How is he going to react
to this. It turns out he mishurt his kid over
something like that. But yeah, no, shut up is not
okay any but any world I know of.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Okay, that brings me some comfort because the kid, the
girl was similar to your kid's age, and I was.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
But the fact that the mom I mean she just
took it.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Oh boy, that I feel bad for both of them
because almost guaranteed that's a bad situation either happening or
going to happen.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
I remember back when I was raising my kids and
would talk about it on the air, and people would
call in or you know, write in with questions and
that sort of thing.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
What I thought, And.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
A number of times I thought, my first piece of
advice is get a time machine, because you're asking me,
how do I undo fourteen years of getting it wrong?
And yeah, you know, it's like after your fifth heart attack,
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saying your doctor.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
You know, Well, it's you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Oh, I came across a great thing on parenting that
I was going to edit for the show because it's long,
but I wish, wish, wish I'd read it when my
kids were young. Jonah Goldberg actually wrote it. He's quoting
a bunch of other people, but he's talking about how
there's a new book by a developmental psychologist who had
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never heard of before, Alison Kropnik. But the name of
the book is The Gardener and the Carpenter, and she
points out that the very word parenting really only emerged
in the fifties and didn't become popular until the seventies
because until the fifties, people generally lived in their hometown
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near all their relatives and they would just observe and
everybody's there to help, and you didn't have to learn
about parenting.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
It was self evident.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
You saw it all the time, and your mentors were
around you anyway. But then in the seventies, people got
more isolated, more mobile, they moved away and that sort
of thing, and you had these parenting experts pop up, and.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Often with no kids or bad kids.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Right, that's right, Yeah, yeah, there's plenty of that too.
But missus Gropnick point says that parents began to think
like carpenters, who have a clear idea in mind of
what they're trying to achieve. They look carefully at the
materials they have to work with, and it's their job
to assemble those materials into a finished project. The project
or product that can be judged by everyone against clear standards.
Are the right angles, perfect, does the door work? Gropnik
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notes that the messiness and veriability are a carpenter's enemies.
Precision and control are her allies. Measure twice, cut once,
et cetera and her thing, and I've got to admit
I don't want to get too deep into the because
it's incredibly serious and will make me very sad. But
I was influenced by a calmness to his a so
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called parenting expert, and he was very much of the
carpenter school. And when I ran into a kid with
special needs, specifically on the autism spectrum, that was the
last thing I needed. The last thing I needed was
a carpenter's point of view about parenting.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
And MS.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Gropnik's thing here and I haven't read the book. Is
a better way to think about child wearing is as
a gardener. Your job is to create a protected and
nurturing space for plants to flourish. It takes work, but
you don't have to be a perfectionist. Weed the garden,
water it, step back, and the plants will do their
things unpredictably and often with delightful surprises. And it's not
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like a hippie dippy. Anything goes. She's talking about weeding
the garden and doing what needs to be done.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
But you're not a carpenter or a gardener.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
What exactly is the carpenter's way. I don't know what
you're talking about as far as the carpent.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Would it be fair to say, it's just like, there's
one way to do it, one size fits all to
get this to come out right.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Essentially, Yeah, it's cut and dried. There are a list
of rules. You follow him, it'll be fine. As opposed
to a garden, where it's much more about nurturing than
forcing that it's absolutely inevitably going to go sideways at times.
If you're a good carpenter, it doesn't go sideways. You
can make cabinet after cabinet after cabinet, and if a
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mistake is or if something goes wrong, that's utterly unacceptable.
Whereas as a gardener, something's always going to go wrong.
That's what the job is, and you have to adapt.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
The only thing I could say to your situation you overheard, Katie,
because I've kind of lived this myself, is I've got
one kid that's got all kinds of diagnosed things, and
kinds of medication and all kinds of things. He has
said and done things that if his brother did them,
it would be the end of the world. But the
kid that's got all these various situations. He's not always
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in control of everything he does. And also if you
react a certain way you're about I mean, she might
have a kid that if she had said anything to
that kid at that moment about that, the table's getting
flipped over. I mean, the police are coming that sort
of thing.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Possibly, I don't even think of that possible circumstance that
they're going.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
You know that that all could have had that problem.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Final bit of wisdom learned too late, at least partially,
is when I first became a youth sports coach. I
think I went I can't remember where this came from,
but it was pointed out to me that you don't
coach all of your players the same.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
You coach all of your players the way they need
to be coached.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Some kids respond well to like the old school disciplined
to bark at him some because some kids shut down,
and you're not going to make him a better player
a better person doing that. You got to figure out
how to pick their locks. And parenting's a lot like
that too. If you think it's as mathematical and cut
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and dried as carpentry, you're gonna do it wrong.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
So how did how did the things turn out with
the woman and the kid who said shut up? Did
they just eventually did they stop talking or did they
eventually get up and leave?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
They went back and forth for like maybe another thirty seconds,
and then their food came and I checked out of
that conversation pretty much.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
But yeah, it shocked me.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
But I like that gardening analogy because that makes more
sense that you're going to have more room to kind
of wiggle when things go awry.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yeah. I don't know about that mom dealing with her kid,
but like, I only think about my parenting roughly eighty
percent of the.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
Time all day long. So yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Now that's not to say there are no rules in gardening.
For instance, if you feed gatorade to plants, they will die,
as outlined hilariously in the classic movie slash documentary Idiocracy.
All right, of course that it wasn't gatorade. It was
called what Brono Brondo or Electrolytes, That's got Electrolytes.
Speaker 7 (10:11):
Jack Armstrong and Joe the Armstrong.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
And Getty Show.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
I came across this.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Parable and I'm not exactly sure what to think about it.
I think I know what to think, but I thought
it was entertaining. The donkey told the tiger, the grass
is blue. The tiger replied, no, the grass is green.
The discussion became heated, and the two decided to submit
the issue to arbitration. So they approached the lion, who
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apparently is in charge, of course, King of the jungle,
King of the beasts. Sure, donkey, donkeys and lions coabitating,
all right, and getting in arguments with tigers anyway. As
they approached the lion on his throne, the donkey started screaming.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Yours your it is. Isn't it true that grass is blue?
Speaker 4 (11:00):
The lion replied, if you believe it is true, the
grass is blue. The donkey rushed forward and continued, the
tiger disagrees with me. He contradicts me and annoys me.
They should have thrown it. It's a microaggression. Please please
punish him. He's triggering me exactly. Yeah, I got to
rewrite this to make it even more sickening.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Let's see.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
The king then declared speech, the tiger will be punished
with three days of silence. Got to keep his giant
bitoothed mouth shut. That's the pun. The donkey jumped with
joy and went on his way content and repeating the
grass is blue, the grass is blue. The tiger asks
the lion, your majesty, why have you punished me? After all,
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the grass is green. The lion replied, you've known and
seen that the grass is green. The tiger asked, so,
why do you punish me. The lion replied, that has
nothing to do with the question of whether the grass
is blue or green. The punishment is because it is
rating for a brave, intelligent creature like you to waste
time arguing with an ass And on top of that,
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you came and bothered me with that question just to
validate something you already knew was true. The biggest waste
of time is arguing with the fool and fanatic who
doesn't care about the truth or reality, but only the
victory of his beliefs and illusions. Never waste time on
discussions that make no sense. There are people who, for
all the evidence presented to them, do not have the
ability to understand others who are blinded by ego, hatred
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and resentment, and the only thing that they want is
to be right, even if they aren't.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
So.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Arguing with the actual donkey, the donctivist, if you will,
I can.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
See why I won't. I can say I like it.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
A great example of this is when you have the
two activist groups screaming at each other in the street
over the barricades, and the poor cops are rolling their
eyes thinking, oh my god, I hope I go home
without getting hit over the head with something.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
That's stupid.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
But if the donkeys of the world have like taken
over your public school, don't you have to as the
lion point out that they're teaching the lion cubs perverse thing.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Does it ever do any good? I'm not sure it
ever does any good? Like you, of course it does. Well,
you have to uh, well, you're not going to convince them.
You just have more people, I guess. I guess the
thing would be if you got other people like witnessing
this and you've got to convince them. But convincing the
one the one person, they're not going.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
To change their mind.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Well, right, And that's what bothers me a little bit
about this parable and it's not provoking anyway, is if
you go if you as the tiger, for instance, saying
confused adolescent girls should not be told they're actually little
boys because puberty scary, especially for girls. If you are
the tiger advocating that, and you go to the lion
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of the electorate, that's what you have to do. I mean,
if it's just a story about animals in the forest
at each other, then it's not a parable. It's just
a mildly amusing story. But if it's a parable, it
obviously has something to do with as a humankind. And
if you've got the donkey pitching that the grass is
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blue and it's like infected the public schools and your
kids come home with a dad, you're wrong, the grass
is blue, and my teacher says you're a hater and
a racist for saying that you gotta go to the lion,
don't you.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Well, yeah, I suppose, But I think the parable works
for just individuals. Which I was picturing. I wasn't picturing
the public square. Is just if I recognize the guy
at the end of the bar is like the donkey
about some topic, I'm not going to engage them.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
What's the freaking point?
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Oh, I agree with that one hundred percent Katie's thoughts
on the donkeys.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
There's no place in time or space where donkeys and
lions have been in the same orbit.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
Is there unless the lion's already full. Let alone talking
donkeys and talking lions. Yeah, that's what I was stuck on. Yeah,
having a conversation. This is baffling, exactly. It's a parable,
you know, I'm skulls come on over my head. Yeah,
you're right. It's an individual thing and fair enough.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
And very very true. Do not well, I know some
people feel it seems like they enjoy it. There's no
point in arguing with some people about some topics.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Well, and the fact that a lot of people just
want to be quote unquote, they want to win the argument.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
They don't care if they're right. It works both ways too.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I mean sometimes I've been I don't think I've ever
said this, but I've been in conversation before where I
could say, look, I've thought and read about this a lot.
Nothing's going to change my mind. I mean, you can
say it louder and slower if you like your opinion,
but it's not going to change my mind.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
So I or you can hint that I'm an idiot
for not agreeing with you, but you're really wasting your.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Time and mine, you donkey.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Interestingly enough, Kentucky blue Grass is not blue either it's
slightly blue er.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I was disappointed in that by a kid as a kid,
not by a kid as a kid. When I heard
about bluegrass, I thought, this is gonna be awesome. My
dad got blue grass for the yard, didn't inform it.
All the other kids are gonna be so jealous. Oh yeah,
grass is blue is merged Simpson's hair.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
This is gonna be great.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
You guys just ruined my dad. I didn't know this.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
You didn't, all right?
Speaker 3 (16:29):
No, never been to Kentucky then, huh No, I have not,
and I have all these dreams. I just pictured blue
lawns everywhere.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I pictured that too. Yeah, I pictured that.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
I just had it in my mind. It looked so fantastic.
Turned on not to be true.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Bluebirds are blue, blue.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
Berries are blue. There's grass is green? W t F.
Speaker 7 (16:51):
The Armstrong and Getdy Show. Yeah or Jack your show
podcasts and our hot lenks.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
Wrong and Getty conveying our love panel.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
So you said love in Bloom or Crazy Stoker psychobiatch, Yes, exactly, Okay,
but that.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Question will be decided by the love panel. That's always
the problem with that is just it's it's it's it's
whether or not the other person is interested in you.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
All love like chasing someone's stuff is it's just so
romantic and well received if the other person's interested, if
they're not.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
And he never gave up, and now we've been married
for fifty years, right beautiful.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
And I said no five times and I came out aside,
and he was waiting by my car with a rose.
If you kind of like the guy, that's just awesome.
If you don't like the guy, you call the police
and get a restraining order and maybe pepper spray him
or send your brothers to beat him down. Yeah, rock exactly. Ah, yes,
but this is a gal on a mission. Love and
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Bloom are crazy.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Stalker psycho biac Let's find Out thirteen Michael.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
I saw this really cute.
Speaker 8 (18:10):
Guy at the grocery store the other day, so naturally
I followed him to the checkout counter, and when he
gave the cashier his credit card, I peeped it to
see what his name was, and then I googled him
and found his social media profiles, and I was able
to tell that he was single. So I went through
his friend's list, and I found his mother's page, and
then I looked through his mother's page, and I saw
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that she was a member of this book club that's
in my area. So I went to the book club
meeting and I met his mom there, and she just
thought I was so nice, and I brought it up
randomly in conversation that I was single, and she let
me know that she had a son that was single
also that lived in the area, and maybe it would
be cool for us to get together in chat sometime.
So I gave her my number, which she gave to
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her son, and this morning he texted me and asked
if I'd like to get together this weekend and do
something that we're.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Going to go on a date.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Wait until he sees this video and goes, oh my god,
who did I go on a date with?
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Wow, that's a pretty successful effort she made there.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
I don't know how it's gonna turn out.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
That's insane.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
Well, we have a little update for you.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
That young man is now dissolving in a is that
psycho decided he wasn't worthy of living, and she is
now wearing his skin as a garment and his fingerbones
as a necklace.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
Follow up segment. All right, all right, so.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Dude, run from her. God, she actually went to the
book club meeting and got to know his mom. Oh wow, because.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
He's a cute guy.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
I mean, look, let's all right, recognize, I can see
a dozen attractive women. There will be one that'll like
make my brain explode for whatever, genetic, anthropology, anthropological who
knows why it happens. Reason, doctor Freud had his own opinions, whatever,
And maybe it was one of those. Maybe it was
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one of those. She saw him and just her jaw dropped.
It was like, oh my god, for whatever reason. Now,
certainly concocting some sort of can you help me out
to the car with this or that would have been
a hell of a lot more normal than the whole
Sherlock Holmes routine. How troubled are we by the detective
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job and the roots she.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Took man, the the going to the book club and
meeting mom and getting to know her.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
That is that is a that's a different level.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
That really feels to me like something that ends up
with somebody's cat getting murdered.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
So, Katie, you're more up on the modern world of
how this is handling, how do we feel just like
noticing the name on the credit card and doing a
little research on online, so that.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
See, I think that it was.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
It got weird the second she looked at his credit
credit card to get his number his name. I like
Joe's idea, just hey, could you help me to the
car with this, or like a regular approach. But I
would be lying if I said that I hadn't met
a guy and he had given me his name and
I went home and looked him up.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
I've done that before, but not you know.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
To the extent to go meet his mom at a
book club and then wear his skin later.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
That's weird. Michael thoughts, Yeah, pretty psycho, I wouldn't. I'm
like Katie.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
I mean, maybe you look him up online, do a
little background check, but that's it.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
Well, here's a little.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
He gives you his name, you don't look at his
credit card to like kind.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
Of I don't this.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
She sounds like a serial killer to me.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Well, here's a little surprise. We're going to talk to
him a live now. He's chained the radiator in her basement.
Help me, somebody's helped me.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
Gosh.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Yeah, the second part of this story, he goes missing
and she's helping his mom look for him at that point.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
That's how these horror.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Movies go she's putting up posters. Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
I've only become aware recently, and for reasons I won't
get into about how all you need is somebody. If
you have somebody's phone number, for instance, you can find
out everything and it costs you like a buck online,
and you got every place they've ever lived, every phone
they've ever had, all their friends, it's family members. Yeah,
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it's it's horrifying. I mean, it's less worrisome as a dude,
but man, if I'm a young woman knowing that any
guy who gets a hold of my phone number at
all now knows where I live and where my friends
live and where I work and and everything, it's just, yeah,
it's just different world for that sort of thing.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
On the other hand, buddy of mine pointing this out
to me their day, and remember when we were younger,
all of our names were in the phone book with
our address, all of us, all of us. If you
knew somebody's name, you could look up their address. And
it's not like everybody got abducted every day, right, everybody's
name was in the phone book with their address. Did
the unlisted thing come later? Is that now unlisted existed,
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but I never knew a girl that was unlisted.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
Every girl she was writing the phone book. Okay, yeah,
real rarity.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Getting back to the whole meeting mom book class book
club happened to randomly mention I was single and subterfuge.
That just that, that is a willingness to be sneaky
and duplicitous. That isn't her first rodeo, you know what
(23:44):
I mean?
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yes, yes, I think we're a little bit into the
modern attitude where everybody's so paranoid of what would you
rather run into a bear or a man in the
woods for a woman?
Speaker 5 (23:57):
I mean, just you saying?
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Was that before unlisted was available, like you wouldn't want
your name listed in the phone everybody had their address
the name in the phone book, and everybody was fine
with it, and everybody wasn't paranoid thinking, oh my god,
that's dangerous.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
A guy could look up my address. It worked out.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I mean, so is culture that much worse or are
we just way more paranoid than we Well?
Speaker 4 (24:18):
I would point out that if I had the hots
for Jenny Smith, or even unless her name was true,
her last name was truly rare and distinctive. There'd be
eleven of them in the phone book. I couldn't tell
which one. That was my experience at all, because I
lived in small towns. Everybody everybody's name. There was only
one Jenny Smith in every town. Everybody's address was right there.
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And I don't remember anybody abusing it, or anybody even
talking about it being abused.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
No, nope.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
So what changed our parent the reality of stalkers or
our paranoia.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
Both? I don't know. People aren't brave anymore.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
They don't want to just go and ask something, ask
someone out right in person, you know, just hey, would
you like to go out?
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Would you like to get some coffee?
Speaker 4 (25:04):
That's like old skills take developing, though, and we're not
letting our kids develop those social skills. I had chatted
up so many girls by the time I started college.
Just the idea of oh my god, I can't I
can't say hello to or.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
It was just foreign to me.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
It was not like I have some sort of bold
master gamesman or anything. It was just so familiar to me.
You know, hey, how you doing well?
Speaker 5 (25:31):
Please?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Phones and internet have completely smashed that skill.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
I think, you know, this is a weird grab, but
it popped in my head for some reason, I can't
remember why. The other day I was thinking about the
old like the first Bob Seeger song with the what
was the name of his band, Bob Seger and.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
The Silber bullibin No.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
No, that was before he was a solo artist, when
he was a Detroit rocker, but a rambling, gambling MANU
the line is ain't good looking, but you know, I
ain't shy, ain't afraid to look a girl in the eye.
And hey, I've always kind of liked that line because
he was a regular guy. But b we've got a
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couple of generations who are terrified to look a girl
in the eye and say, hey, how you doing.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
So that gets back. Do you think.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
If she she found him alluring enough to go through
all that work, she should have made her move right then?
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Yeah, she's equipped with the tools to do that. Of course, if.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
You're an all attractive young woman, all you have to
say is so I see you like cereal.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
That's good enough ice breaker right there, exactly.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
I just I have a real issue with her going
on a date with him after having done all of
this and acting like it didn't go down like that.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Oh yeah, well yeah, like, oh, we just.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
So happened to meet I met your mom at book club.
Like the whole the star of whatever relationship this might
be is going to be bs anyway.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, that's that's a decent point there. You can't start
with a lie and then go from there.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Yeah yeah, this ends with a dead cat trust Yeah, if.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
You if you uh yeah, if you're out with somebody
and everything like that, and then she mentions, yeah, I
was talking to your mom. Wait a second, and you
know my mom? Why do you know my mom? This
is weird.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Okay, well let me tell you how this went down.
So I saw your credit card at the store. I
enjoy the book club that your mom is in. You're
a twenty three year old woman. You're in a book
club with a bunch of sixty four year olds.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
Why I like to read.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Pretending you want to read the Bridges of Madison County
so you can get to meet this old woman.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
That is going too far.
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Speaker 1 (28:09):
My son, who's fourteen and graduating from eighth grade.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
This week graduating.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
So he actually asked, why do they have eighth grade graduation? Well,
I don't know the real answer, but where I grew up,
I thought it was because a lot of people stopped
going to school at eighth grade. There was a good
chunk of the class that or a particular religion, the Mennonites,
they stopped at eighth grade. So I thought that's why
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we had eighth grade graduation because they were done. But
then found out they have eighth grade graduations other places.
So why does eighth grade graduation exist?
Speaker 4 (28:47):
You know, I've I actually heard a really interesting argument
about this once, where the one point of view was, hey,
they've finished a level of school. Let's say and let's
show them, Hey, education is important. We're proud of you,
a good job. Let's reinforce wanting to stay in school
and pass everything, which I think is a perfectly reasonable
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point of view. The opposition was a woman who was saying,
they haven't accomplished anything. They're getting the very basics of
education their kids. They've got several more years of mandatory schooling.
They haven't accomplished anything. They barely gotten started quit with
the ceremonies. Too many ceremonies.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
I lean more towards that point of view.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
But anything that would less than the number of ceremonies
I have to go to, I'm in favor of.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Yes, my mom has a picture of my Is it
my kindergarten graduation or my preschool graduation? I don't remember it.
I'm wearing a robe. I know she had to buy
a robe. Yeah, I have a little green graduation cap
and robe. And they took pictures that she obviously paid
for because we have it.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
So I'm thinking, you've got money sucked out of that.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Oh, yeah we did.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
We had to do kindergarten graduation and there was like
a certificate and stuff. But I don't think there was
no robe involved.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
But you know, I hate to blame the gals for this,
but it reminds me of little seven year old kids
in full uniform playing Little League and they have opening
ceremonies and closing ceremonies every season, and the parade of
the teams and lots of pictures.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
And the rest of it.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Back in the day, you just went and played ball.
There's no opening ceremony. What the hell do you have
an opening ceremony. First game of the year is on Saturday,
go play it. That was the opening ceremony, play ball.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
So my eighth grader has the graduation is actually on Thursday,
and you're supposed to wear a tie, So we have
to go out and get a tie at some point
this week. He's gonna wear my shirt and my pants
because we're the same size. Oh, and it's gonna be hot. Uh,
he can't wear my shoes because he has bigger feet
than me. But so I have to get him some
dress shoes and a tie. And it is gonna be hot.
But the night before there's a big dance, the very
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first dance of his life.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
Oh boy.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
And he said the other day, I sure hope there's
chairs because I plan to sit.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
It's so funny the difference between guys and gals with
this one, Like I was so excited and you want
to share to sit?
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Yes, yeah, I know I know that that's true. I'm
sure the girls are very very excited. I was gonna
talk I haven't talked to him about that. I hint
it ab, but I was gonna talk to him specifically
about and I haven't completely crafted it into my head yet.
And it probably won't do any good anyway, cause it's
different when you're fourteen than when you're older and looking
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back on being fourteen, but man, oh man, oh man,
there's so many things that I chickened out of or
kind of wish I had done or whatever. You only
live once. You only freaking live once. That girl over there,
you kind of like, go ask her to dance? Good, God,
I gotta figure out how I want to present it.
Not like that, but I mean, looking at talking to
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my eighth grade me, I mean, just life is short.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
Yeah, one go round. Yeah, here's here's what.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
You gotta do. Maybe I'll offer this service. I'll come
over with half a dozen middle school young ladies, have
your boy ask each one of them to dance, and
each one of them will say thanks, but no, I'm
not interested. And by the end of maybe we'll even
do two rounds. By the end of it, that kid'll
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be like, that's fine whatever.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Oh they just get used to get it, used to
be rejected a couple of times, or they might be
completely demoralized.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
But uh no, maybe have that thirteenth one say yeah,
I'd love to.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Did you ask so Mandy to dance?
Speaker 6 (32:34):
Michael yeah, I think I did. I usually got rejected,
so it's okay.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
I didn't ask anybody to dance.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Somebody asked me to dance for the last slow dance
of the night, and I've never been more nervous in
my life. I can still feel the sweat running down
my armpits as we were slow dancing. I was so
nervous and scared.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
But why wouldn't you?
Speaker 1 (32:54):
I mean, and I kind of wanted to dance, but
I was scared at one of being rejected and two
of dancing in front of other peace people. It's just God,
when you get older, it just seems like, why would
you freaking care? But that's just the perspective of age.
You can't you know, you can't inject that into someone.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Well, yeah, and dances are so small in our lives now.
It's such a big thing to them, right.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
Well, yeah, of course it is.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
And I'm you know, so on one hand, I don't
know about his friends, but it's probably true for his
friends too. On one hand, he's I hope they have
chairs there. I might bring my own camping chair just
so I make sure possessed it.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
But he has.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Uh, we got a haircut two weeks ago, and he
wasn't quite happy with that, so we went and got
another haircut, and uh, you know, he's been picking out
his clothes. So I mean, you wouldn't get two haircuts
and pick out your clothes and all this sort of
stuff if you didn't care at all. So you care,
but you just don't want to look like you care,
because I'm sure none of your friends are looking like
they care. As the boys again, as the girls you get,
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you can be as thrilled as you want to be.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
Lots of exclamation points if.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
Your Yeah, I played the records at the dances I
did in middle school. I volunteered for that. I think
it's one of the reasons I became a musician. If
I'm playing, you can't ask me to dance. I'm all
the high school dances. I was the DJ, which kind
of got me out of it. I got to be there,
but I had a job.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Yeah, but uh yeah, so I don't know. I'm gonna
try to craft some sort of go for it type
speech see how it lands. But I can just think
of several examples of like why why didn't you, Why
didn't you do this? Why didn't you do that? There's
no downside. The worst case scenario is nothing. The well,
actually a worst case scenario is not doing anything and
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then wishing the rest of your life you.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
Would have tried. So yeah, hear here. So that'said.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
He bought a fake rolex off of Amazon. He totally cares.
He totally cares. He does cool to not care, but yeah,
he cares. He bought this fake rolex. It's forty dollars
and it's so shockingly great. I mean it's really really good.
It's like really heavy and nice and yeah, very cool.
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I think you may be admitted to a federal offense.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Harboring a known importer of repbove the counterfeit Goods got
it off Amazon.
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
So this blew my mind.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
The other day, my husband and I went to a
restaurant and we're sitting there eating and I could just
overhear the conversation happening next to me. It's a mom
and her daughter who's maybe thirteen.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Are you aby, Are you a person that can tune
out people next to you or can't tune out people?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I cannot? Yeah, and it drive me nuts.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I easily can turn out conversations with me, but like
I have friends and family members who can't, And you
can't talk to them if there's someone else talking over
there because they can't stop listening to them. It's I
guess you're either built that way or you're not.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
I have a very hard time tuning out extraneous audio.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Yeah, same here, so and I couldn't tune this out
at all. And again, she was maybe thirteen, and they're
talking about something and they weren't agreeing, and this little
girl goes shut up mom, and the mom didn't react
and they continue to argue, and my jaw dropped because
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when I was raised telling my parents to shut up.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I mean, I've never done that.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I have never in my life told my mom or
dad to shut up in a serious manner. There was
one time my dad and I were joking around and
I accidentally went to shut up, and I stopped dead
in my tracks in fear because I was like, I
know those words aren't uttered, right, But I know parenting
is changing generation generationally?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Is that okay? Now? Is telling your parents to shut
up like a normal thing? Jack? Have your kids ever dared?
Speaker 5 (01:34):
One kid did once? But yeah, no, that was not okay.
It did not go well, okay, kids, right?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I just I don't know if there's if that's a
shift that's happening where the way you talk to your
parents is changing. But the way that the mom didn't react,
I'm sitting there going what.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I wouldn't take it in any tone, But was the
tone kind of like the valley go oh, shut up?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
No, they were they were having a serious cone.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Wow, shut your pie hole.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Yeah, so that certainly would not have washed in my house.
I think one of the kids may have tried it
at one point and it went very poorly. But how
long is a generation? They usually say twenty years Yeah,
I think, okay, well all right then, well, at least
my oldest kid in your youngest kid. I raised my
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kids during the previous generation, which is kind of funny.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
Shut up still is not fly with anybody I know.
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
If it does, you need to take a parent in class.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Okay, Like Kevin Hart's got a bit where he's talking
about how it turns out he was mistaken but he
thought his kid he was yelling down to his kid
to do something, and he thought his kid yelled fu
said the words to him, and he just like gets
He's like what what?
Speaker 5 (02:54):
What just happened here?
Speaker 1 (02:55):
And the crowd just goes berserk about the idea of
a kid saying that to their pres which I was
happy to hear, but that was just like roundly seen
as oh my god, a nuclear bomb just went off.
That is not okay. How is he going to react
to this. It turns out he mishurt his kid over
something like that. But yeah, no, shut up is not
okay any but any world I know of.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Okay, that brings me some comfort because the kid, the
girl was similar to your kid's age, and I was.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
But the fact that the mom I mean she just
took it.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Oh boy, that I feel bad for both of them
because almost guaranteed that's a bad situation either happening or
going to happen.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
I remember back when I was raising my kids and
would talk about it on the air, and people would
call in or you know, write in with questions and
that sort of thing.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
What I thought, And.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
A number of times I thought, my first piece of
advice is get a time machine, because you're asking me,
how do I undo fourteen years of getting it wrong?
And yeah, you know, it's like after your fifth heart attack,
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saying your doctor.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
You know, Well, it's you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Oh, I came across a great thing on parenting that
I was going to edit for the show because it's long,
but I wish, wish, wish I'd read it when my
kids were young. Jonah Goldberg actually wrote it. He's quoting
a bunch of other people, but he's talking about how
there's a new book by a developmental psychologist who had
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never heard of before, Alison Kropnik. But the name of
the book is The Gardener and the Carpenter, and she
points out that the very word parenting really only emerged
in the fifties and didn't become popular until the seventies
because until the fifties, people generally lived in their hometown
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near all their relatives and they would just observe and
everybody's there to help, and you didn't have to learn
about parenting.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
It was self evident.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
You saw it all the time, and your mentors were
around you anyway. But then in the seventies, people got
more isolated, more mobile, they moved away and that sort
of thing, and you had these parenting experts pop up, and.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Often with no kids or bad kids.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Right, that's right, Yeah, yeah, there's plenty of that too.
But missus Gropnick point says that parents began to think
like carpenters, who have a clear idea in mind of
what they're trying to achieve. They look carefully at the
materials they have to work with, and it's their job
to assemble those materials into a finished project. The project
or product that can be judged by everyone against clear standards.
Are the right angles, perfect, does the door work? Gropnik
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notes that the messiness and veriability are a carpenter's enemies.
Precision and control are her allies. Measure twice, cut once,
et cetera and her thing, and I've got to admit
I don't want to get too deep into the because
it's incredibly serious and will make me very sad. But
I was influenced by a calmness to his a so
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called parenting expert, and he was very much of the
carpenter school. And when I ran into a kid with
special needs, specifically on the autism spectrum, that was the
last thing I needed. The last thing I needed was
a carpenter's point of view about parenting.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
And MS.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Gropnik's thing here and I haven't read the book. Is
a better way to think about child wearing is as
a gardener. Your job is to create a protected and
nurturing space for plants to flourish. It takes work, but
you don't have to be a perfectionist. Weed the garden,
water it, step back, and the plants will do their
things unpredictably and often with delightful surprises. And it's not
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like a hippie dippy. Anything goes. She's talking about weeding
the garden and doing what needs to be done.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
But you're not a carpenter or a gardener.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
What exactly is the carpenter's way. I don't know what
you're talking about as far as the carpent.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Would it be fair to say, it's just like, there's
one way to do it, one size fits all to
get this to come out right.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Essentially, Yeah, it's cut and dried. There are a list
of rules. You follow him, it'll be fine. As opposed
to a garden, where it's much more about nurturing than
forcing that it's absolutely inevitably going to go sideways at times.
If you're a good carpenter, it doesn't go sideways. You
can make cabinet after cabinet after cabinet, and if a
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mistake is or if something goes wrong, that's utterly unacceptable.
Whereas as a gardener, something's always going to go wrong.
That's what the job is, and you have to adapt.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
The only thing I could say to your situation you overheard, Katie,
because I've kind of lived this myself, is I've got
one kid that's got all kinds of diagnosed things, and
kinds of medication and all kinds of things. He has
said and done things that if his brother did them,
it would be the end of the world. But the
kid that's got all these various situations. He's not always
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in control of everything he does. And also if you
react a certain way you're about I mean, she might
have a kid that if she had said anything to
that kid at that moment about that, the table's getting
flipped over. I mean, the police are coming that sort
of thing.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Possibly, I don't even think of that possible circumstance that
they're going.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
You know that that all could have had that problem.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Final bit of wisdom learned too late, at least partially,
is when I first became a youth sports coach. I
think I went I can't remember where this came from,
but it was pointed out to me that you don't
coach all of your players the same.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
You coach all of your players the way they need
to be coached.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Some kids respond well to like the old school disciplined
to bark at him some because some kids shut down,
and you're not going to make him a better player
a better person doing that. You got to figure out
how to pick their locks. And parenting's a lot like
that too. If you think it's as mathematical and cut
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and dried as carpentry, you're gonna do it wrong.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
So how did how did the things turn out with
the woman and the kid who said shut up? Did
they just eventually did they stop talking or did they
eventually get up and leave?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
They went back and forth for like maybe another thirty seconds,
and then their food came and I checked out of
that conversation pretty much.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
But yeah, it shocked me.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
But I like that gardening analogy because that makes more
sense that you're going to have more room to kind
of wiggle when things go awry.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yeah. I don't know about that mom dealing with her kid,
but like, I only think about my parenting roughly eighty
percent of the.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
Time all day long. So yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Now that's not to say there are no rules in gardening.
For instance, if you feed gatorade to plants, they will die,
as outlined hilariously in the classic movie slash documentary Idiocracy.
All right, of course that it wasn't gatorade. It was
called what Brono Brondo or Electrolytes, That's got Electrolytes.
Speaker 7 (10:11):
Jack Armstrong and Joe the Armstrong.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
And Getty Show.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
I came across this.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Parable and I'm not exactly sure what to think about it.
I think I know what to think, but I thought
it was entertaining. The donkey told the tiger, the grass
is blue. The tiger replied, no, the grass is green.
The discussion became heated, and the two decided to submit
the issue to arbitration. So they approached the lion, who
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apparently is in charge, of course, King of the jungle,
King of the beasts. Sure, donkey, donkeys and lions coabitating,
all right, and getting in arguments with tigers anyway. As
they approached the lion on his throne, the donkey started screaming.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Yours your it is. Isn't it true that grass is blue?
Speaker 4 (11:00):
The lion replied, if you believe it is true, the
grass is blue. The donkey rushed forward and continued, the
tiger disagrees with me. He contradicts me and annoys me.
They should have thrown it. It's a microaggression. Please please
punish him. He's triggering me exactly. Yeah, I got to
rewrite this to make it even more sickening.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Let's see.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
The king then declared speech, the tiger will be punished
with three days of silence. Got to keep his giant
bitoothed mouth shut. That's the pun. The donkey jumped with
joy and went on his way content and repeating the
grass is blue, the grass is blue. The tiger asks
the lion, your majesty, why have you punished me? After all,
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the grass is green. The lion replied, you've known and
seen that the grass is green. The tiger asked, so,
why do you punish me. The lion replied, that has
nothing to do with the question of whether the grass
is blue or green. The punishment is because it is
rating for a brave, intelligent creature like you to waste
time arguing with an ass And on top of that,
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you came and bothered me with that question just to
validate something you already knew was true. The biggest waste
of time is arguing with the fool and fanatic who
doesn't care about the truth or reality, but only the
victory of his beliefs and illusions. Never waste time on
discussions that make no sense. There are people who, for
all the evidence presented to them, do not have the
ability to understand others who are blinded by ego, hatred
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and resentment, and the only thing that they want is
to be right, even if they aren't.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
So.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Arguing with the actual donkey, the donctivist, if you will,
I can.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
See why I won't. I can say I like it.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
A great example of this is when you have the
two activist groups screaming at each other in the street
over the barricades, and the poor cops are rolling their
eyes thinking, oh my god, I hope I go home
without getting hit over the head with something.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
That's stupid.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
But if the donkeys of the world have like taken
over your public school, don't you have to as the
lion point out that they're teaching the lion cubs perverse thing.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Does it ever do any good? I'm not sure it
ever does any good? Like you, of course it does. Well,
you have to uh, well, you're not going to convince them.
You just have more people, I guess. I guess the
thing would be if you got other people like witnessing
this and you've got to convince them. But convincing the
one the one person, they're not going.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
To change their mind.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Well, right, And that's what bothers me a little bit
about this parable and it's not provoking anyway, is if
you go if you as the tiger, for instance, saying
confused adolescent girls should not be told they're actually little
boys because puberty scary, especially for girls. If you are
the tiger advocating that, and you go to the lion
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of the electorate, that's what you have to do. I mean,
if it's just a story about animals in the forest
at each other, then it's not a parable. It's just
a mildly amusing story. But if it's a parable, it
obviously has something to do with as a humankind. And
if you've got the donkey pitching that the grass is
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blue and it's like infected the public schools and your
kids come home with a dad, you're wrong, the grass
is blue, and my teacher says you're a hater and
a racist for saying that you gotta go to the lion,
don't you.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Well, yeah, I suppose, But I think the parable works
for just individuals. Which I was picturing. I wasn't picturing
the public square. Is just if I recognize the guy
at the end of the bar is like the donkey
about some topic, I'm not going to engage them.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
What's the freaking point?
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Oh, I agree with that one hundred percent Katie's thoughts
on the donkeys.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
There's no place in time or space where donkeys and
lions have been in the same orbit.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
Is there unless the lion's already full. Let alone talking
donkeys and talking lions. Yeah, that's what I was stuck on. Yeah,
having a conversation. This is baffling, exactly. It's a parable,
you know, I'm skulls come on over my head. Yeah,
you're right. It's an individual thing and fair enough.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
And very very true. Do not well, I know some
people feel it seems like they enjoy it. There's no
point in arguing with some people about some topics.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Well, and the fact that a lot of people just
want to be quote unquote, they want to win the argument.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
They don't care if they're right. It works both ways too.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I mean sometimes I've been I don't think I've ever
said this, but I've been in conversation before where I
could say, look, I've thought and read about this a lot.
Nothing's going to change my mind. I mean, you can
say it louder and slower if you like your opinion,
but it's not going to change my mind.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
So I or you can hint that I'm an idiot
for not agreeing with you, but you're really wasting your.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Time and mine, you donkey.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Interestingly enough, Kentucky blue Grass is not blue either it's
slightly blue er.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I was disappointed in that by a kid as a kid,
not by a kid as a kid. When I heard
about bluegrass, I thought, this is gonna be awesome. My
dad got blue grass for the yard, didn't inform it.
All the other kids are gonna be so jealous. Oh yeah,
grass is blue is merged Simpson's hair.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
This is gonna be great.
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You guys just ruined my dad. I didn't know this.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
You didn't, all right?
Speaker 3 (16:29):
No, never been to Kentucky then, huh No, I have not,
and I have all these dreams. I just pictured blue
lawns everywhere.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I pictured that too. Yeah, I pictured that.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
I just had it in my mind. It looked so fantastic.
Turned on not to be true.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Bluebirds are blue, blue.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
Berries are blue. There's grass is green? W t F.
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Speaker 1 (17:06):
So you said love in Bloom or Crazy Stoker psychobiatch, Yes, exactly, Okay,
but that.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Question will be decided by the love panel. That's always
the problem with that is just it's it's it's it's
whether or not the other person is interested in you.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
All love like chasing someone's stuff is it's just so
romantic and well received if the other person's interested, if
they're not.
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And he never gave up, and now we've been married
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And I said no five times and I came out aside,
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If you kind of like the guy, that's just awesome.
If you don't like the guy, you call the police
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but this is a gal on a mission. Love and
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Bloom are crazy.
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Stalker psycho biac Let's find Out thirteen Michael.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
I saw this really cute.
Speaker 8 (18:10):
Guy at the grocery store the other day, so naturally
I followed him to the checkout counter, and when he
gave the cashier his credit card, I peeped it to
see what his name was, and then I googled him
and found his social media profiles, and I was able
to tell that he was single. So I went through
his friend's list, and I found his mother's page, and
then I looked through his mother's page, and I saw
(18:32):
that she was a member of this book club that's
in my area. So I went to the book club
meeting and I met his mom there, and she just
thought I was so nice, and I brought it up
randomly in conversation that I was single, and she let
me know that she had a son that was single
also that lived in the area, and maybe it would
be cool for us to get together in chat sometime.
So I gave her my number, which she gave to
(18:52):
her son, and this morning he texted me and asked
if I'd like to get together this weekend and do
something that we're.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Going to go on a date.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Wait until he sees this video and goes, oh my god,
who did I go on a date with?
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Wow, that's a pretty successful effort she made there.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
I don't know how it's gonna turn out.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
That's insane.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
Well, we have a little update for you.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
That young man is now dissolving in a is that
psycho decided he wasn't worthy of living, and she is
now wearing his skin as a garment and his fingerbones
as a necklace.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
Follow up segment. All right, all right, so.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Dude, run from her. God, she actually went to the
book club meeting and got to know his mom. Oh wow, because.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
He's a cute guy.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
I mean, look, let's all right, recognize, I can see
a dozen attractive women. There will be one that'll like
make my brain explode for whatever, genetic, anthropology, anthropological who
knows why it happens. Reason, doctor Freud had his own opinions, whatever,
And maybe it was one of those. Maybe it was
(20:18):
one of those. She saw him and just her jaw dropped.
It was like, oh my god, for whatever reason. Now,
certainly concocting some sort of can you help me out
to the car with this or that would have been
a hell of a lot more normal than the whole
Sherlock Holmes routine. How troubled are we by the detective
(20:40):
job and the roots she.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Took man, the the going to the book club and
meeting mom and getting to know her.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
That is that is a that's a different level.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
That really feels to me like something that ends up
with somebody's cat getting murdered.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
So, Katie, you're more up on the modern world of
how this is handling, how do we feel just like
noticing the name on the credit card and doing a
little research on online, so that.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
See, I think that it was.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
It got weird the second she looked at his credit
credit card to get his number his name. I like
Joe's idea, just hey, could you help me to the
car with this, or like a regular approach. But I
would be lying if I said that I hadn't met
a guy and he had given me his name and
I went home and looked him up.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
I've done that before, but not you know.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
To the extent to go meet his mom at a
book club and then wear his skin later.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
That's weird. Michael thoughts, Yeah, pretty psycho, I wouldn't. I'm
like Katie.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
I mean, maybe you look him up online, do a
little background check, but that's it.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
Well, here's a little.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
He gives you his name, you don't look at his
credit card to like kind.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
Of I don't this.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
She sounds like a serial killer to me.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Well, here's a little surprise. We're going to talk to
him a live now. He's chained the radiator in her basement.
Help me, somebody's helped me.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
Gosh.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Yeah, the second part of this story, he goes missing
and she's helping his mom look for him at that point.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
That's how these horror.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Movies go she's putting up posters. Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
I've only become aware recently, and for reasons I won't
get into about how all you need is somebody. If
you have somebody's phone number, for instance, you can find
out everything and it costs you like a buck online,
and you got every place they've ever lived, every phone
they've ever had, all their friends, it's family members. Yeah,
(22:31):
it's it's horrifying. I mean, it's less worrisome as a dude,
but man, if I'm a young woman knowing that any
guy who gets a hold of my phone number at
all now knows where I live and where my friends
live and where I work and and everything, it's just, yeah,
it's just different world for that sort of thing.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
On the other hand, buddy of mine pointing this out
to me their day, and remember when we were younger,
all of our names were in the phone book with
our address, all of us, all of us. If you
knew somebody's name, you could look up their address. And
it's not like everybody got abducted every day, right, everybody's
name was in the phone book with their address. Did
the unlisted thing come later? Is that now unlisted existed,
(23:17):
but I never knew a girl that was unlisted.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
Every girl she was writing the phone book. Okay, yeah,
real rarity.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Getting back to the whole meeting mom book class book
club happened to randomly mention I was single and subterfuge.
That just that, that is a willingness to be sneaky
and duplicitous. That isn't her first rodeo, you know what
(23:44):
I mean?
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yes, yes, I think we're a little bit into the
modern attitude where everybody's so paranoid of what would you
rather run into a bear or a man in the
woods for a woman?
Speaker 5 (23:57):
I mean, just you saying?
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Was that before unlisted was available, like you wouldn't want
your name listed in the phone everybody had their address
the name in the phone book, and everybody was fine
with it, and everybody wasn't paranoid thinking, oh my god,
that's dangerous.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
A guy could look up my address. It worked out.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I mean, so is culture that much worse or are
we just way more paranoid than we Well?
Speaker 4 (24:18):
I would point out that if I had the hots
for Jenny Smith, or even unless her name was true,
her last name was truly rare and distinctive. There'd be
eleven of them in the phone book. I couldn't tell
which one. That was my experience at all, because I
lived in small towns. Everybody everybody's name. There was only
one Jenny Smith in every town. Everybody's address was right there.
(24:40):
And I don't remember anybody abusing it, or anybody even
talking about it being abused.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
No, nope.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
So what changed our parent the reality of stalkers or
our paranoia.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
Both? I don't know. People aren't brave anymore.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
They don't want to just go and ask something, ask
someone out right in person, you know, just hey, would
you like to go out?
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Would you like to get some coffee?
Speaker 4 (25:04):
That's like old skills take developing, though, and we're not
letting our kids develop those social skills. I had chatted
up so many girls by the time I started college.
Just the idea of oh my god, I can't I
can't say hello to or.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
It was just foreign to me.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
It was not like I have some sort of bold
master gamesman or anything. It was just so familiar to me.
You know, hey, how you doing well?
Speaker 5 (25:31):
Please?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Phones and internet have completely smashed that skill.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
I think, you know, this is a weird grab, but
it popped in my head for some reason, I can't
remember why. The other day I was thinking about the
old like the first Bob Seeger song with the what
was the name of his band, Bob Seger and.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
The Silber bullibin No.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
No, that was before he was a solo artist, when
he was a Detroit rocker, but a rambling, gambling MANU
the line is ain't good looking, but you know, I
ain't shy, ain't afraid to look a girl in the eye.
And hey, I've always kind of liked that line because
he was a regular guy. But b we've got a
(26:14):
couple of generations who are terrified to look a girl
in the eye and say, hey, how you doing.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
So that gets back. Do you think.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
If she she found him alluring enough to go through
all that work, she should have made her move right then?
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Yeah, she's equipped with the tools to do that. Of course, if.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
You're an all attractive young woman, all you have to
say is so I see you like cereal.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
That's good enough ice breaker right there, exactly.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
I just I have a real issue with her going
on a date with him after having done all of
this and acting like it didn't go down like that.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Oh yeah, well yeah, like, oh, we just.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
So happened to meet I met your mom at book club.
Like the whole the star of whatever relationship this might
be is going to be bs anyway.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, that's that's a decent point there. You can't start
with a lie and then go from there.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Yeah yeah, this ends with a dead cat trust Yeah, if.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
You if you uh yeah, if you're out with somebody
and everything like that, and then she mentions, yeah, I
was talking to your mom. Wait a second, and you
know my mom? Why do you know my mom? This
is weird.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Okay, well let me tell you how this went down.
So I saw your credit card at the store. I
enjoy the book club that your mom is in. You're
a twenty three year old woman. You're in a book
club with a bunch of sixty four year olds.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
Why I like to read.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Pretending you want to read the Bridges of Madison County
so you can get to meet this old woman.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
That is going too far.
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Speaker 1 (28:09):
My son, who's fourteen and graduating from eighth grade.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
This week graduating.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
So he actually asked, why do they have eighth grade graduation? Well,
I don't know the real answer, but where I grew up,
I thought it was because a lot of people stopped
going to school at eighth grade. There was a good
chunk of the class that or a particular religion, the Mennonites,
they stopped at eighth grade. So I thought that's why
(28:38):
we had eighth grade graduation because they were done. But
then found out they have eighth grade graduations other places.
So why does eighth grade graduation exist?
Speaker 4 (28:47):
You know, I've I actually heard a really interesting argument
about this once, where the one point of view was, hey,
they've finished a level of school. Let's say and let's
show them, Hey, education is important. We're proud of you,
a good job. Let's reinforce wanting to stay in school
and pass everything, which I think is a perfectly reasonable
(29:08):
point of view. The opposition was a woman who was saying,
they haven't accomplished anything. They're getting the very basics of
education their kids. They've got several more years of mandatory schooling.
They haven't accomplished anything. They barely gotten started quit with
the ceremonies. Too many ceremonies.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
I lean more towards that point of view.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
But anything that would less than the number of ceremonies
I have to go to, I'm in favor of.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Yes, my mom has a picture of my Is it
my kindergarten graduation or my preschool graduation? I don't remember it.
I'm wearing a robe. I know she had to buy
a robe. Yeah, I have a little green graduation cap
and robe. And they took pictures that she obviously paid
for because we have it.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
So I'm thinking, you've got money sucked out of that.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Oh, yeah we did.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
We had to do kindergarten graduation and there was like
a certificate and stuff. But I don't think there was
no robe involved.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
But you know, I hate to blame the gals for this,
but it reminds me of little seven year old kids
in full uniform playing Little League and they have opening
ceremonies and closing ceremonies every season, and the parade of
the teams and lots of pictures.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
And the rest of it.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Back in the day, you just went and played ball.
There's no opening ceremony. What the hell do you have
an opening ceremony. First game of the year is on Saturday,
go play it. That was the opening ceremony, play ball.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
So my eighth grader has the graduation is actually on Thursday,
and you're supposed to wear a tie, So we have
to go out and get a tie at some point
this week. He's gonna wear my shirt and my pants
because we're the same size. Oh, and it's gonna be hot. Uh,
he can't wear my shoes because he has bigger feet
than me. But so I have to get him some
dress shoes and a tie. And it is gonna be hot.
But the night before there's a big dance, the very
(30:51):
first dance of his life.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
Oh boy.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
And he said the other day, I sure hope there's
chairs because I plan to sit.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
It's so funny the difference between guys and gals with
this one, Like I was so excited and you want
to share to sit?
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Yes, yeah, I know I know that that's true. I'm
sure the girls are very very excited. I was gonna
talk I haven't talked to him about that. I hint
it ab, but I was gonna talk to him specifically
about and I haven't completely crafted it into my head yet.
And it probably won't do any good anyway, cause it's
different when you're fourteen than when you're older and looking
(31:30):
back on being fourteen, but man, oh man, oh man,
there's so many things that I chickened out of or
kind of wish I had done or whatever. You only
live once. You only freaking live once. That girl over there,
you kind of like, go ask her to dance? Good, God,
I gotta figure out how I want to present it.
Not like that, but I mean, looking at talking to
(31:52):
my eighth grade me, I mean, just life is short.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
Yeah, one go round. Yeah, here's here's what.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
You gotta do. Maybe I'll offer this service. I'll come
over with half a dozen middle school young ladies, have
your boy ask each one of them to dance, and
each one of them will say thanks, but no, I'm
not interested. And by the end of maybe we'll even
do two rounds. By the end of it, that kid'll
(32:21):
be like, that's fine whatever.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Oh they just get used to get it, used to
be rejected a couple of times, or they might be
completely demoralized.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
But uh no, maybe have that thirteenth one say yeah,
I'd love to.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Did you ask so Mandy to dance?
Speaker 6 (32:34):
Michael yeah, I think I did. I usually got rejected,
so it's okay.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
I didn't ask anybody to dance.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Somebody asked me to dance for the last slow dance
of the night, and I've never been more nervous in
my life. I can still feel the sweat running down
my armpits as we were slow dancing. I was so
nervous and scared.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
But why wouldn't you?
Speaker 1 (32:54):
I mean, and I kind of wanted to dance, but
I was scared at one of being rejected and two
of dancing in front of other peace people. It's just God,
when you get older, it just seems like, why would
you freaking care? But that's just the perspective of age.
You can't you know, you can't inject that into someone.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Well, yeah, and dances are so small in our lives now.
It's such a big thing to them, right.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
Well, yeah, of course it is.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
And I'm you know, so on one hand, I don't
know about his friends, but it's probably true for his
friends too. On one hand, he's I hope they have
chairs there. I might bring my own camping chair just
so I make sure possessed it.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
But he has.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Uh, we got a haircut two weeks ago, and he
wasn't quite happy with that, so we went and got
another haircut, and uh, you know, he's been picking out
his clothes. So I mean, you wouldn't get two haircuts
and pick out your clothes and all this sort of
stuff if you didn't care at all. So you care,
but you just don't want to look like you care,
because I'm sure none of your friends are looking like
they care. As the boys again, as the girls you get,
(33:48):
you can be as thrilled as you want to be.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
Lots of exclamation points if.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
Your Yeah, I played the records at the dances I
did in middle school. I volunteered for that. I think
it's one of the reasons I became a musician. If
I'm playing, you can't ask me to dance. I'm all
the high school dances. I was the DJ, which kind
of got me out of it. I got to be there,
but I had a job.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Yeah, but uh yeah, so I don't know. I'm gonna
try to craft some sort of go for it type
speech see how it lands. But I can just think
of several examples of like why why didn't you, Why
didn't you do this? Why didn't you do that? There's
no downside. The worst case scenario is nothing. The well,
actually a worst case scenario is not doing anything and
(34:32):
then wishing the rest of your life you.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
Would have tried. So yeah, hear here. So that'said.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
He bought a fake rolex off of Amazon. He totally cares.
He totally cares. He does cool to not care, but yeah,
he cares. He bought this fake rolex. It's forty dollars
and it's so shockingly great. I mean it's really really good.
It's like really heavy and nice and yeah, very cool.
(34:58):
I think you may be admitted to a federal offense.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Harboring a known importer of repbove the counterfeit Goods got
it off Amazon.
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