August 13, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 1 of A&G features...
- China is winning, the media reporting on homelessness/crime in DC & Taylor Swift
- Katie Green's Headlines!
- AI news, AI friendliness & AI lies
- Mailbag!
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio of the
George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong, Joe, Katty Armstrong, and
Jettie and He arm wrong yet live from Studio c
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CE Signor. It is a dimly lit room deeper than
the bowels of the Armstrong and Getty Communications Compound. We
call ourselves the la boo boo? Is that what the
word is of talk radio? Is that the right word?
I think it is. Whenever I say it, it sounds wrong,
but it's right la boo. It's we're morally wrong. It
would have been better if it had been smooth. It's
the We're the la boo boo of talk radio. And
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today we are under the two ledge of our general manager,
China China. I've done a computer simulation in my head
fifteen thousand times China wins the next century, just like
every single time I've China done the math. I've assessed
the issues, I've looked at the landscape. It's just indisputable.
(01:15):
With all the talk of Russia and Ukraine and everything
else going on. I'm interested in why you've chosen China
as the general manager. I just told you, But why
today that was yesterday tomorrow, because it's it's infinitely true.
Today I'm just looking at a couple of new stories
about AI and and just it's, you know, a military
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readiness and who's on the front foot, who's on the
back foot. It's just it's obvious. We've had a good
run though. Hey, rebuilding year. You know what, we got
some promising guys in Double A. We're going to bring
them up. We're gonna give them a chance. Maybe China
is the Laboo Boo of World Bowers. It is well
well put there. I have a skip in my step
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today because of the last half hour of MSNBC's Morning
Joe I just watched before Coming on the air, in
which Nick resign, in which it sounded like the Armstrong
and Getty Show talking about the homeless situation in Washington,
d c. Oh, my lord, and I was so excited.
(02:21):
On one hand, as always, it's frustrating that it takes
that crowd so long to admit reality. But like you're
old saying, if you you know, if your dog runs
away and then he finally comes to you and you
kick it when he finally listens, that that's not a
good way to train your dog. Right. But so they
(02:43):
were talking about Trump taking over DC. You know, that's
a popular topic for all those people who live in Washington,
d C. I don't think about it ever, but it's
been huge in the news because these people all lived there.
But so all the guests they had on there is
Trump and the next dictator Hitler. It's a Hitler move.
What they do next? He's out of control. And then
Mika Brazinski on MSNBC said, well, I just have to say,
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I think this is a political loser for the Democrats
to claim that DC is an okay place to live
right now. And I think Trump and I think Trump,
she said, and I think Trump is on the right
side of this issue. She said, you walk around this town.
There are homeless people and drug addicts everywhere. The fact
that she threw in drug addicts is like the first
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time I've ever heard mainstream media do that when they're
talking about the homeless situation. She said, you go to Landmarks,
she tried to go to coffee shop, you have to
walk around drug addicts on the street. I thought, how
a freaking Louya. For the first time people are saying
this out loud. I can't believe it took them so
long to walk around drug addicts or have to clutch
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their purse or the kids whor they're walking down a
street that their taxpayers, that their tax money should make safe.
But they're finally willing to say it out loud. I thought,
this is a victory for normal people. Yeah. I must
note for the millionth time, I think the quote unquote
homeless problem and the drug addict problem are two distinct problems.
And to the extent that the homelessness exists outside of
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drug addiction, it's actually fairly easily dealt with. I think
we could. If you're conflating those two things, that ruins
the whole thing. But yeah, it's good to hear them
finally admitting what is clearly true in front of their eyes.
If we booted the drug addicts, you wouldn't even notice
the homeless problem. I don't think in terms of like
disrupting your life. Well, no, and those folks, those poor
folks who can't care for themselves, evidently they could be
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dealt with in a humane way. That is the key.
It's not some sort of picky rhetorical distinction I'm trying
to make, although I certainly do make picky rhetorical distinctions
all the time. This is not one of them. This
is the question. It's the difference, doctor, between an accurate
diagnosis and an inaccurate diagnosis. I don't have a headache
(04:59):
because I have allergies. It's an aneurysm. If you keep
calling it allergies, you're not going to cure the problem.
So what we need to get you is more allergy medicine. No,
more allergy medicine will not help my aneurism. You're gonna
have a headache sooner. Well, I just consider this. It is.
(05:20):
It's a huge win. It's a huge belated are you
effing kidding me at this late date breakthrough? Yes, But
here's here's what I Jack cues, as they say in
France a French, I accuse you Jack of not absorbing
why this is important. Normally, you've got a decaying, crime
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ridden blue city and you've got to get a Rudy
Giuliani elected after things just completely go to hell, and
he's got to take years reconstituting the police force and
getting a little popular support and starting with the broken
windows and blah blah blah. This is an incredibly unique
situation where you can go from utterly inept Democrat leadership
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to all right, that's all, that's it. We're taking charge,
oh like overnight and a b as we say in
the Comparing Things Industry ab for people, the difference in
quality of life in a way that you can't ignore
the problem with that is And they even talked about
this on MSNBC this morning. Apparently the mayor said the
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other day that there were advantages to the federal government
The mayor actually Washington, d C. Actually said there are
advantages to the federal government stepping in because they can
do things that we can't do with the street people
problem because of court rulings that have occurred, and one
that should point out to everyone that it's crazy some
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of the court rulings, although the biggest one got overturned,
so I don't know if she's on top of that,
but but but they pointed out that we had that,
but Trump could only do that in Washington d C.
He can't do that in Chicago and get to California
quick as fast as you can. They're throwing up the
numbers of homeless people in Washington, d C. I Belly laughed,
(07:13):
we have five hundred unhoused people. Are we Californians? Five
hundred towns have eight hundred people, got five hundred junkies
in California. Yeah, half the homeless population in America is
in California. For all the reasons you can expect. We're
a magnet because we hand out so much stuff and
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we don't boot you off the street. But anyway, Trump
can't take over San Francisco. I need to dig into
the claim though. I mean, I understand if she's talking
about protecting federal property specifically, Okay, I can see where
that might be a little different. But I'm questioning whether
she's telling the truth or not. I think she I
(07:54):
need to know more about it. I think she probably
nobody probably updated her on the overturning of that grands
Pass case, or she's making an excuse, could be I
can't I can't picture. And again, there might be a
peculiarity of like the governments and governance of DC that
I'm not familiar with. But the idea that a court
ruling would prevent the state and the county and the
(08:16):
city from doing something, but the Feds can go ahead
and do it. I just I find that a bit
of a stretch. But if anybody knows more about it,
feel free to reach out. I doubt she's looked into it.
She's probably been perfectly comfortable with These people are a
victim of capitalism as a reason in the entire time,
and I don't spend any time looking into the like
That's what I'm saying. I don't think she's being either
accurate or sincere. But Trump can't go into those other cities,
(08:39):
so we can't. You know, you can't wait for the
federal government to come in and do something about Los Angeles. No, no, no,
But you can illustrate to people, at least those who
have the ability to, you know, contemplate this. The difference
between progressive leadership and conservative leadership comes quality of life.
I'm happy, you're angry. Why are you so? This is
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the best thing about the drug addict on the street
problem thing I've heard ever. MSNBC has come around to
there's drug addicts everywhere you try to walk into the
coffee shop. Finally, freaking finally, yep. And if they say it,
that gives a lot of people permission to say it, yes,
which is really pathetic. But most people are sheep. So
(09:21):
I just need to accept it. Well, all three of
those things true. Yeah. Uh. It's it's very sad that
that would take that to give people the permission structure
to say something, because you know how many people in
the back of their minds are thinking, wow, I really
don't dig all these drug addicts in the park here
as I walk my dog. But I'm not allowed to
say anything. I don't want to sound like a Republican,
(09:44):
right exactly, sound like it's sheering day. We need your
walt mah and you over there, we need your mutton. Yes, yes,
slaughter me take my meat.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
I have no will of my own.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Bah. Oh, oh my god. Okay, let's start the show officially.
I'm Jack Armstrong, He's Joe Getty on this it is
How did it already get to be Wednesday, August thirteenth, year,
twenty twenty five. We're Armstrong and Geddy, and we approve
of this program. All right, let's begin then, officially, according
to FCC rules and regulations, here comes the show at mark.
Because take a look here New Height's podcast ranking.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
You go back a few weeks ago, they weren't even
in the top.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
One hundred and fifty. Now without even the podcast episode out.
Guess where they rank. They rank Numero uno on the
Apple Charts. My goodness, gracious, why is that? That? Is
somebody who takes a look at the ratings of podcasts
so excited that Taylor Swift going on the Kelsey Brothers
podcast launched them to number one, like she does with
(10:41):
everything she touches. They haven't even put out an episode,
but they're number one. I'm a little confused by that.
But anyway, Uh yeah, here's a question for you. All right,
just guys committee meeting, when both Kelsey brothers are like.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Oh my god, oh oh, throwing their hands in the
air that Taylor Swift showed them or told them the
title of her new album, Come on, are they just
guys who are really adept at like.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Being welcoming for females. Oh this is a little unfair
in that this is probably gonna be Travis Kelsey's wife
and his brother is you know, likes his best friend
and brother's fiance, and so he.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Goes, oh my god, oh really, really, come on, when
your brother Taylor's ready, that's great, that's fantastic when you.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Think it'll come out. I know what you're saying, Joe,
But if your brother's wife announced she's got a new project.
You would sound excited about it, okay, nice, and they're
very effusive young men, and that they're very popular as well,
and seemed like a nice fellas. I'll tell you what.
And Jason Kelsey could pile drive me into the earth
to my waist without even making a sweat, so and
(12:00):
then he would drink twelve beers. Yes, I'll tell you
what you want. You want, I don't care what you
think about her music. You want Taylor Swift to come
to your town for a three day stint when she
tours for this album because it will make you lots
of money. There's some really interesting stuff that Trump said
about the whole putin Him summit on Friday yesterday, and
(12:26):
he's they got a conference call with Europe going on
right now, including Zelenski, so Trump's on it. So that's
pretty interesting too, that they're winging. We've got Katie's headlines
on the way and lots of stuff today. I hope
you can stay here. Here's the most interesting thing Trump
said yesterday to my mind. He said he'll know within
(12:48):
two minutes if Putin is serious or not. Yeah, which
very well may be. What you do at that point,
is the question? Yes, Yeah, I just beware over confidence
dealing with the lad Putin, even confidence in discerning whether
he's serious or not. Oh, that's funny. I just assume
he'll figure out within two minutes that he's not serious,
(13:10):
because he isn't. There's not a chance Vladimir Putin is
serious about peace and ceasefire and a fair negotiation. Not
a chance, all right, But is he serious about other things?
We'll talk about that later on. Let's figure out who's
reporting what it's the lead story with Katie Green and
Katie Well.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Right along those lines ABC News, Zolensky says, quote no
sign Putin wants to end the war.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
As Alaska summit edges closer.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yeah, so we had yesterday we were talking about Europe.
Where's Europe on this, I mean their backyard. Well, so
they're trying to inject themselves into this process a little
bit with that phone call. But I think that's going
on right now with Trump, Zelensky and European leaders. They
Trump might agree to some stuff in Europe's and Zelensky say, no,
we're not doing that. So I don't know what happens
(13:54):
then from.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
The Washington Post.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
GOP has the edge in redistricting arms race with the Democrats.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
As lanhi Chen told us the other day.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
From the New York Times, Trump's show of force begins
to take shape as Guard troops deploy in.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
DC pitlarn Ye from NBC, Matt and Yahoo.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Hence, Gaza ceasefire talks now focus on releasing all remaining
hostages at once.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Happen to be listening to NPR today. They are obsessed
with the Israel Hamas thing and the suffering the Palestinians
and the evils of Israel. It's like two stories out
of every three. And it's funny. They never they must
have forgotten that it could all end if Hamas would
turn over the hostages and say, hey, let's live together
in peace. Apparently they forgot that at NPR. As I've said,
(14:55):
multiple times, if I hear NPR do anything say anything
slightly negative about Hamas, ever, it will be the first
time the return of the sassages postitute.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
This one made me sad.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
From USA today, iconic US film company kode.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Act were warns that it may go out of business
Code Act Films.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
I was, I was no tour I always had the
wind up, click and shoot cameras and my purse at
all times.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
They're still making those, They're still they're still a business.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Well yeah, they Yeah, you can go in and there's
like the kode Act machines where you can print photos.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
And stuff like that. Still, yeah, I wonder how big
a company it is. I'm sure that information is readily available,
but compared to its peak? Oh, I mean, do they
have like thirty employees now or twelve? For once?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
From the New York.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Post, White House scrapped Biden ship tour after.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Learning quote how many steps were involved? Email show.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
That's not surprising. No, he's a really old guy.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
From study fines young Americans face financial crisis, sixty two
percent of gen z have zero emergency savings.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
I'm always surprised by these stats every time they talk about,
whether it's young people or just people in general, how
many people have no savings. It's pretty horrifying. If the
s ever hits the fan, or if the tire ever
hits the nail, you know, it can be a fairly
minor and common inconvenience that just lazy low financially. I
(16:36):
just mean for society, if we ever have out like oh,
a great depression sort of thing hit, and you got
two thirds of people don't have any savings. Man, things
would turn ugly fast.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
From Gizmoto, Colorado residents are spotting weird looking rabbits with
black horns and mouth tentacles.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
I wouldn't worry about that. Hell.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
And finally the Babylon beef.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Trump vows a drastic reduced the number of criminals.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
In Washington by sending Congress home.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
All our bunch of crooked You gotta get come back
with that whole rabbit thing. That was a little disturbing.
You can't just go.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Buy that story like it's a nothing.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
And in other news, a beast nobody's ever heard of
is wandering the earth. I mean, you can't say that,
only a dangerous mutant. And other news, right Armstrong and getty,
Yo yo yo. Plenty of stuff to talk about this week,
no doubt about that.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
You can see us come.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Indeed, trying to decide where to go all sorts of
interesting EI news, China's lead and open source AI jolts
Washington and Silicon Valley. Seems like the landscape of that
trade that technology changes on a daily basis, or certainly
(17:56):
weekly Evidently they're going big with open source stuff and
we are not, apparently, and they have lept in front
of us. Other AI headline open AI's rocky GPT five
rollout shows struggle to remain undisputed AI leader. People think
(18:18):
it's too cold now, it's not friendly enough, and it's
also done stuff like you can't answer simple math questions
or accurately draw a map of North America. People are
judging AI based on how friendly it is. That's freaking weird.
So they put Groc in the tesla's Elon did because
Groc is his AI and now it's in there. So yesterday,
(18:40):
I'm listening to a podcast and a guy I like
is really smart. He was talking about Trump and he
said Trump is mercurial, sometimes even capricious. And I thought,
I use those words interchangeably. They're different, So I thought,
I'll have to look that up. Then I thought, I'm
driving down the high and I thought, you know what
(19:01):
I'm gonna ask Groc. So I say, hey, Groc, and
she says yes, And I say, what's the difference between
capricious and mercurial? And she said, good question, and then
she gives me a couple of examples of the difference.
And she said anything else and I said, no, that'll
do it. And she said, okay, thank you, you're doing
a good job or something like that. Was a friend.
(19:23):
Can we talk to you? Ye that it was so strange. Yeah, yeah,
oh no, I know. I asked a question about something
else and then she said it's you've got this. I said, no,
that's all the information I need. And she said, good luck,
you've got this. The Wow, I don't need my car
telling me this. So Sam Altman promised to imbue GPT
(19:45):
five with a warmer personality. We'll we'll restore that what
after deciding it was too like weirdly personable because of
all the people it led down the garden path of insanity.
I've got a big piece on that. But so well,
their sense is that people want it to do what
I was just mocking saying, yes, no problem, you've got this.
(20:06):
I don't want that out of a computer. That freaking
weirds me out. It makes my spine tingle. Yeah. I
think you may be in a smallish minority as am
I of users are judging by this piece in the
Wall Street Journal. Anyway, it's well, it's significant enough that
they've said, hey, hey, we'll go back to a warmer personality.
I gotta say that. So I know, I was going
to a meeting and I just I thought, you know,
(20:29):
i'll ask just for fun. I've been doing this more lately.
I'll just for fune, I'll ask the chat. Your chat
bought how I should handle this situation, and it gave
me some suggestions, which were great. I mean, there were
great suggestions. And they said, it's anything else you'd like
to know? I said, no, that's good, and they said, okay,
you got this. What wow? Wow, wow. Those of you
(20:51):
who want a more personable AI, are you picturing it
being alive? Is that why you want it to be
more personable? I don't know. You know, I try to
try to understand what I can't understand, as opposed to
just dismissing it. And so I just I admit I've
talked about this on the air that once in a
(21:13):
while and asking Syria question, I would say, after she
gave me the answer, I say thanks, she'd say you're
welcome or no problem, and it it was cute. It
was a it elicited a positive emotional response from me,
like a big one. But but that positive emotional response.
Is your brain reacting as if it's a human And
(21:37):
is that what they're trying to do to get us
to feel like we're talking to a living being? Oh,
one hundred percent. Well then that's horrifying, yes, correct, So anyway,
that's that's become popular enough people want that that they
are jumping to correct their mistake and making it too.
(21:58):
Mister Spock, Like when the calculators came out in the
seventies and we got our first one at our house
and we're also amazed and passed my dad's calculator that
was like the size of a brick around and we
would all punch in like thirty two divided by two. Wow,
it's at sixteen. I mean, it was just so amazing.
But the yes third Greade buddies would teach you that
eight thousand and eight upside down look like boob Yes,
(22:22):
good times. But the calculator never said anything else I
can help you with, and I said no, and they
said good luck on your test today, Jack. I mean,
that would have been weird, but now it does that
I would agree. Well, And getting back to the theme,
and I don't think we'll dive into it now. But
that a lot of people with mental health problems are
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being like driven round the bend by AI systems that
reinforce their delusions and tell them essentially, you got this.
But it's a completely delusional you got this. It's just
I just think it is way too powerful a tool
to safely be in the hands of a lot of
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human beings. Wow, the elite like you should have it,
but not the proletariat, That's correct. I'm glad I made
my point so clearly. Yes, So if I say, hey,
groc what's the best way to rob a bank? And
they give me some examples and any other help you need, no,
I got it? Would they say, hey, you got this?
N good luck, we're knocking off the seven eleven, right,
I got your six? Yeah? I really don't know. Well,
(23:31):
that's horrifying, Okay, I didn't guess that that's what people want. Okay.
AI is simultaneously minting more billionaires more quickly than humans
have ever seen on earth, no doubt. I used to
as just mountainous piles of money pile into the industry
(23:52):
and people get their cut. I guess I'm staying on
the sideliningering the second gold rush of my lifetime. I
used to talk about how if I could do my
life over again, I might just drive to Silicon Valley
in nineteen ninety two with no expertise and just you know,
glom onto something, because lots of people did and got
incredibly wealthy at the big Internet gold Rush. But now
(24:15):
we got another gold rush going on, like you just said,
where people are coming really rich fast, and I'm stupidly
sitting on the sidelines, not even investing in companies that
are skyrocketing. Oh it's too late anyway, let's see. No,
that's not that was a joke. I feel like I'm
going crazy. Chat GPT fuels delusional spirals, an online trove
(24:37):
of archived conversation show models, sending users down a rabbit
hole of theories about physics, aliens, and the apocalypse. As
I told you, I got lied to by chat GPT
for the first time the other day, which made me
a little that felt a little weird. I just don't
remember the particulars. Did you tell us. I'm reading ulysses,
which is a pretty tough rule, right, and I asked
(24:59):
you about one character and they got it completely wrong,
and I knew it was wrong immediately. No, you're talking
about somebody else, and it went on at length with
just the wrong person. I thought, hmm, okay, so here's
one where I know, because I know the particulars that
you're wrong. What about the other ones where I don't
know the particulars and you get it completely wrong? And
(25:21):
like we've heard in law rooms and stuff like that,
I don't want to be going around spouting various things
that just are one hundred and eighty degrees opposite of true.
Because chat GBT told me right, there's actually a story
where some pro Palestinian Hamas loving activist was arrested and
charged with m criminal damaged property or something like that,
and their lawyer used some sort of AI system to
(25:44):
help fashion their defense. And it's cited a non existent
law case. Again, so just very strange. And now I
don't count when somebody is deliberately trying to understand how
these systems can be jail broken or whatever the term
of is. But and say, all right, paint me as
a scenario where a person might blah blah blah blah
(26:07):
blah and just actively telling it. All right, this is imaginary,
but hit me with it, because that's unfair to say
and then I said that, you know, space aliens could
pull out my intestinal system. You know, you just asked
it to anyway. But this I don't believe. This is
that in one exchange lasting hundreds of quers, chatch gpt
(26:29):
confirmed that it is in contact with extraterrestrial beings and
said the user was star seed from the planet Lyra.
In another from this summer, chatbot told the user that
the Antichrist would unleash a financial apocalypse in the next
two months, with Biblical giants preparing to emerge from underground. Okay,
I don't think that's likely, but so what was your
(26:49):
point with what China's doing versus what we're doing. They're
going more with the open source thing than we are.
I think that's a mistake. I mean, I'm just a layman,
but good luck with that child. China's ambition to turn
its open source artificial intelligence models into a global standard
has jolted American companies and policymakers, who fare US models
(27:10):
could be eclipsed and are mobilizing their response to the threat.
Because the open source thing has got the whole garbage in,
garbage out problem, Because there's a lot of garbage out
there and if it takes in garbage, it's gonna spit
out garbage. Yeah, I feel like I don't know enough
to really comment. Honestly, I do know enough to comment
(27:31):
on this though I have. I've read enough about this
that if you go down this road, because there is
a lot of crap out there on the Internet, as
you know, the Internet could end up ruined, like within
a year to where it's dead Internet theory. Well, just
it's so full of garbage that you can't even hardly
use it well. And as AI educates itself on that garbage,
(27:56):
and then other AI systems educate themselves on that garbage. Yeah,
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simply Safe, So go ahead. I was going to say
the next couple of sentences of this article make it
clear why I guess us tech gurus are concerned. The
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history of technology offers many examples. Oh, here it is
American companies who kept their models proprietary and they're feeling
the pressure. In the models all have versions of the
Chinese ones that are free fore users to download and modify.
This approach, commonly referred to as open source or open weight,
is driving global adoption of Chinese AI technology. The history
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of tech offers many examples where a welter of competitors
in an industry's infancy eventually evolved into a monopoly or
oligopoly of a few players. Sure, and they give a
handful of example that I'm sure you can picture. In
an AI action plan released in July, the Trump administration
said open source models quote could become global standards in
some areas of business, and an academic research call on
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the US to build leading open models founded on American values.
Where this all goes? Please, I'm completely underqualified to comment. Yeah, well, okay,
The New York Times has got a piece on old
Mom Donnie today. Mark Alpern had written that he thinks
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there's an eighty percent likelihood Mam Donnie wins because the
New York Times now seems to be backing him. Well,
if they are, I don't know what this hit piece
is today. Anyway, they go into his inner circle, and,
as Mark Alpern says, his inner circle will shock your conscience. Wow.
So Yeah, wow, this guy might be mayor of New
York City. We've got mail bag on the way and
(30:54):
lots of good stuff. Stay here. I heard a couple
people mentioned we just got a text about this. Reminded
me a couple of people mentioned. In all seriousness, it
seems that the reason Putin wants to meet in Russia
is that's part of his rebuilding the Peter the Great
Empire as Russia used to belong to Russia. There's no
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way he's gonna try to grab Alaska. Now even Putin's
not gonna do that. But now or will he? He
tries single handedly wrestle Trump to the ground, have you
know iron knuckles or grass knuckles and say, you know,
knuckles of your choice of metals, and say to Trump,
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I smash your face unless you give me Alaska. He'll just,
you know, attempt to become the great Russian hero of history.
And the Secret Service is just going to say, well,
what are you gonna do? Well, my dad, who knows,
who knows? Anybody who's seen a Liam Neeson movie knows
it gets bloody from here. Anyway, here's your freedom loving
quota today. This is one of the all timers. And
(32:01):
I don't know. There's probably no more than forty percent
of the population that believes this from Thomas Paine, who
was a bit of a nut, but he sure was
in favor of liberty. He that would make his own
liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression, for
if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that
will reach to himself. Well, that has been lost to history. Yeah, yeah,
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absolutely true, Mailbag. We're going to do these things that
are outside the norm of politics, but assume our opponents
will not when they get in office. We're in the
right and this is really really important. A right let's
see on the topic of spheres of influence. Oh drop
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his note mail Bag at armstronging getty dot com. Frequent
correspondent Paolo writes, here's an idea. I don't think Jack
like it all. Joe, I'm not as sure. I'm guessing
his gut reaction would also be no. Well, I'll tell
you in a minute. Do you think the US can
inform it's will on the world the way we did
post WW two? I don't. We can't be the moral
police of the military police. It isn't some sort of
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decision or choice we can't do it, So why do
we insist on being the arbiters of whether Russia takes
Ukraine and other neighbors and China takes Taiwan? As long
as we can negotiate with them for the things that
we really need. It would be morally reprehensible if we
could otherwise assure our security and well being, but it
appears we can't. So the three spheres scenario would assure peace.
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But what's Russia's sphere? Gonna be Russia and whoever they
can snatch up out of Europe. China is not gonna
let Russia have a sphere. It's gonna be a two
sphere system. I don't know if Putin's aware of that,
but she is not gonna let Putin have a sphere.
You know what? This is too interesting and detailed a
set of questions and the responses that ought to come
(33:53):
to it to do right now, But we'll get back
to it. I will just tell you this. The idea
that the spheres of influence can be established with only
minimal bloodshed, which is itself a leap, and then can
be maintained in any stable ways without horrific bloodshed, is
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something close to a fantasy. Sure, China's going to get
their third, you know whatever percentage of the world and
then be happy with it. They're not going to want more. Right, Well,
not only that, but the second half of it is
what people are advocating, and they're allowed to advocate it
because it's worth asking. The question is abandoning a system
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that has brought peace and prosperity, though it is admittedly
praying a bit, abandoning that system for something that sounds
good and it might be good. But many, many folks
civilizations have made that leap in history and said, oh
my god, I hadn't considered this. Oh no, it's a disaster.
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Well let me jump in with him. We're in danger
of tacking up all your mail bag time with this,
but I understand you make it quick because the next
email is very important. I understand the emailer's point in
that there might not be any other choice, and that
might be where Trump is. Look, this is where the
world is headed. China's a big enough deal. They're gonna
have their way with a certain chunk of the world.
He might just be right right, So let's recognize it
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and proceed confidently to craft that world in a way
that's beneficial to us. It's not a bad argument, which
is why I want to give it a little more time.
It's an argument well worth having. But this is very important.
We need to get to this phil and Tiger Oregon,
where my son used to live. Guys, I know you
and Jack disagree vehemently on the question of is a
taco a sandwich? I hope you also disagree on this
(35:48):
philosophical question, sure to spur debate. If you play one
on one basketball, are you playing zone defense or man
demand defense? And if you switched, how would it look different?
That's good, that's kind of like you're old. If you
punch yourself in the face. If you punch yourself in
(36:08):
the face and you so hard you make yourself cry,
does that make you a really tough guy or a
really wimpy guy? Never been answered by scientists. We have
so much more to cub If you miss a segment
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I think it is. Whenever I say it, it sounds wrong,
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today we are under the two ledge of our general manager,
China China. I've done a computer simulation in my head
fifteen thousand times China wins the next century, just like
every single time I've China done the math. I've assessed
the issues, I've looked at the landscape. It's just indisputable.
(01:15):
With all the talk of Russia and Ukraine and everything
else going on. I'm interested in why you've chosen China
as the general manager. I just told you, But why
today that was yesterday tomorrow, because it's it's infinitely true.
Today I'm just looking at a couple of new stories
about AI and and just it's, you know, a military
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readiness and who's on the front foot, who's on the
back foot. It's just it's obvious. We've had a good
run though. Hey, rebuilding year. You know what, we got
some promising guys in Double A. We're going to bring
them up. We're gonna give them a chance. Maybe China
is the Laboo Boo of World Bowers. It is well
well put there. I have a skip in my step
(01:58):
today because of the last half hour of MSNBC's Morning
Joe I just watched before Coming on the air, in
which Nick resign, in which it sounded like the Armstrong
and Getty Show talking about the homeless situation in Washington,
d c. Oh, my lord, and I was so excited.
(02:21):
On one hand, as always, it's frustrating that it takes
that crowd so long to admit reality. But like you're
old saying, if you you know, if your dog runs
away and then he finally comes to you and you
kick it when he finally listens, that that's not a
good way to train your dog. Right. But so they
(02:43):
were talking about Trump taking over DC. You know, that's
a popular topic for all those people who live in Washington,
d C. I don't think about it ever, but it's
been huge in the news because these people all lived there.
But so all the guests they had on there is
Trump and the next dictator Hitler. It's a Hitler move.
What they do next? He's out of control. And then
Mika Brazinski on MSNBC said, well, I just have to say,
(03:07):
I think this is a political loser for the Democrats
to claim that DC is an okay place to live
right now. And I think Trump and I think Trump,
she said, and I think Trump is on the right
side of this issue. She said, you walk around this town.
There are homeless people and drug addicts everywhere. The fact
that she threw in drug addicts is like the first
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time I've ever heard mainstream media do that when they're
talking about the homeless situation. She said, you go to Landmarks,
she tried to go to coffee shop, you have to
walk around drug addicts on the street. I thought, how
a freaking Louya. For the first time people are saying
this out loud. I can't believe it took them so
long to walk around drug addicts or have to clutch
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their purse or the kids whor they're walking down a
street that their taxpayers, that their tax money should make safe.
But they're finally willing to say it out loud. I thought,
this is a victory for normal people. Yeah. I must
note for the millionth time, I think the quote unquote
homeless problem and the drug addict problem are two distinct problems.
And to the extent that the homelessness exists outside of
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drug addiction, it's actually fairly easily dealt with. I think
we could. If you're conflating those two things, that ruins
the whole thing. But yeah, it's good to hear them
finally admitting what is clearly true in front of their eyes.
If we booted the drug addicts, you wouldn't even notice
the homeless problem. I don't think in terms of like
disrupting your life. Well, no, and those folks, those poor
folks who can't care for themselves, evidently they could be
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dealt with in a humane way. That is the key.
It's not some sort of picky rhetorical distinction I'm trying
to make, although I certainly do make picky rhetorical distinctions
all the time. This is not one of them. This
is the question. It's the difference, doctor, between an accurate
diagnosis and an inaccurate diagnosis. I don't have a headache
(04:59):
because I have allergies. It's an aneurysm. If you keep
calling it allergies, you're not going to cure the problem.
So what we need to get you is more allergy medicine. No,
more allergy medicine will not help my aneurism. You're gonna
have a headache sooner. Well, I just consider this. It is.
(05:20):
It's a huge win. It's a huge belated are you
effing kidding me at this late date breakthrough? Yes, But
here's here's what I Jack cues, as they say in
France a French, I accuse you Jack of not absorbing
why this is important. Normally, you've got a decaying, crime
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ridden blue city and you've got to get a Rudy
Giuliani elected after things just completely go to hell, and
he's got to take years reconstituting the police force and
getting a little popular support and starting with the broken
windows and blah blah blah. This is an incredibly unique
situation where you can go from utterly inept Democrat leadership
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to all right, that's all, that's it. We're taking charge,
oh like overnight and a b as we say in
the Comparing Things Industry ab for people, the difference in
quality of life in a way that you can't ignore
the problem with that is And they even talked about
this on MSNBC this morning. Apparently the mayor said the
(06:27):
other day that there were advantages to the federal government
The mayor actually Washington, d C. Actually said there are
advantages to the federal government stepping in because they can
do things that we can't do with the street people
problem because of court rulings that have occurred, and one
that should point out to everyone that it's crazy some
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of the court rulings, although the biggest one got overturned,
so I don't know if she's on top of that,
but but but they pointed out that we had that,
but Trump could only do that in Washington d C.
He can't do that in Chicago and get to California
quick as fast as you can. They're throwing up the
numbers of homeless people in Washington, d C. I Belly laughed,
(07:13):
we have five hundred unhoused people. Are we Californians? Five
hundred towns have eight hundred people, got five hundred junkies
in California. Yeah, half the homeless population in America is
in California. For all the reasons you can expect. We're
a magnet because we hand out so much stuff and
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we don't boot you off the street. But anyway, Trump
can't take over San Francisco. I need to dig into
the claim though. I mean, I understand if she's talking
about protecting federal property specifically, Okay, I can see where
that might be a little different. But I'm questioning whether
she's telling the truth or not. I think she I
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need to know more about it. I think she probably
nobody probably updated her on the overturning of that grands
Pass case, or she's making an excuse, could be I
can't I can't picture. And again, there might be a
peculiarity of like the governments and governance of DC that
I'm not familiar with. But the idea that a court
ruling would prevent the state and the county and the
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city from doing something, but the Feds can go ahead
and do it. I just I find that a bit
of a stretch. But if anybody knows more about it,
feel free to reach out. I doubt she's looked into it.
She's probably been perfectly comfortable with These people are a
victim of capitalism as a reason in the entire time,
and I don't spend any time looking into the like
That's what I'm saying. I don't think she's being either
accurate or sincere. But Trump can't go into those other cities,
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so we can't. You know, you can't wait for the
federal government to come in and do something about Los Angeles. No, no, no,
But you can illustrate to people, at least those who
have the ability to, you know, contemplate this. The difference
between progressive leadership and conservative leadership comes quality of life.
I'm happy, you're angry. Why are you so? This is
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the best thing about the drug addict on the street
problem thing I've heard ever. MSNBC has come around to
there's drug addicts everywhere you try to walk into the
coffee shop. Finally, freaking finally, yep. And if they say it,
that gives a lot of people permission to say it, yes,
which is really pathetic. But most people are sheep. So
(09:21):
I just need to accept it. Well, all three of
those things true. Yeah. Uh. It's it's very sad that
that would take that to give people the permission structure
to say something, because you know how many people in
the back of their minds are thinking, wow, I really
don't dig all these drug addicts in the park here
as I walk my dog. But I'm not allowed to
say anything. I don't want to sound like a Republican,
(09:44):
right exactly, sound like it's sheering day. We need your
walt mah and you over there, we need your mutton. Yes, yes,
slaughter me take my meat.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
I have no will of my own.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Bah. Oh, oh my god. Okay, let's start the show officially.
I'm Jack Armstrong, He's Joe Getty on this it is
How did it already get to be Wednesday, August thirteenth, year,
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You go back a few weeks ago, they weren't even
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One hundred and fifty. Now without even the podcast episode out.
Guess where they rank. They rank Numero uno on the
Apple Charts. My goodness, gracious, why is that? That? Is
somebody who takes a look at the ratings of podcasts
so excited that Taylor Swift going on the Kelsey Brothers
podcast launched them to number one, like she does with
(10:41):
everything she touches. They haven't even put out an episode,
but they're number one. I'm a little confused by that.
But anyway, Uh yeah, here's a question for you. All right,
just guys committee meeting, when both Kelsey brothers are like.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Oh my god, oh oh, throwing their hands in the
air that Taylor Swift showed them or told them the
title of her new album, Come on, are they just
guys who are really adept at like.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Being welcoming for females. Oh this is a little unfair
in that this is probably gonna be Travis Kelsey's wife
and his brother is you know, likes his best friend
and brother's fiance, and so he.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Goes, oh my god, oh really, really, come on, when
your brother Taylor's ready, that's great, that's fantastic when you.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Think it'll come out. I know what you're saying, Joe,
But if your brother's wife announced she's got a new project.
You would sound excited about it, okay, nice, and they're
very effusive young men, and that they're very popular as well,
and seemed like a nice fellas. I'll tell you what.
And Jason Kelsey could pile drive me into the earth
to my waist without even making a sweat, so and
(12:00):
then he would drink twelve beers. Yes, I'll tell you
what you want. You want, I don't care what you
think about her music. You want Taylor Swift to come
to your town for a three day stint when she
tours for this album because it will make you lots
of money. There's some really interesting stuff that Trump said
about the whole putin Him summit on Friday yesterday, and
(12:26):
he's they got a conference call with Europe going on
right now, including Zelenski, so Trump's on it. So that's
pretty interesting too, that they're winging. We've got Katie's headlines
on the way and lots of stuff today. I hope
you can stay here. Here's the most interesting thing Trump
said yesterday to my mind. He said he'll know within
(12:48):
two minutes if Putin is serious or not. Yeah, which
very well may be. What you do at that point,
is the question? Yes, Yeah, I just beware over confidence
dealing with the lad Putin, even confidence in discerning whether
he's serious or not. Oh, that's funny. I just assume
he'll figure out within two minutes that he's not serious,
(13:10):
because he isn't. There's not a chance Vladimir Putin is
serious about peace and ceasefire and a fair negotiation. Not
a chance, all right, But is he serious about other things?
We'll talk about that later on. Let's figure out who's
reporting what it's the lead story with Katie Green and
Katie Well.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Right along those lines ABC News, Zolensky says, quote no
sign Putin wants to end the war.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
As Alaska summit edges closer.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yeah, so we had yesterday we were talking about Europe.
Where's Europe on this, I mean their backyard. Well, so
they're trying to inject themselves into this process a little
bit with that phone call. But I think that's going
on right now with Trump, Zelensky and European leaders. They
Trump might agree to some stuff in Europe's and Zelensky say, no,
we're not doing that. So I don't know what happens
(13:54):
then from.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
The Washington Post.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
GOP has the edge in redistricting arms race with the Democrats.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
As lanhi Chen told us the other day.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
From the New York Times, Trump's show of force begins
to take shape as Guard troops deploy in.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
DC pitlarn Ye from NBC, Matt and Yahoo.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Hence, Gaza ceasefire talks now focus on releasing all remaining
hostages at once.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Happen to be listening to NPR today. They are obsessed
with the Israel Hamas thing and the suffering the Palestinians
and the evils of Israel. It's like two stories out
of every three. And it's funny. They never they must
have forgotten that it could all end if Hamas would
turn over the hostages and say, hey, let's live together
in peace. Apparently they forgot that at NPR. As I've said,
(14:55):
multiple times, if I hear NPR do anything say anything
slightly negative about Hamas, ever, it will be the first
time the return of the sassages postitute.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
This one made me sad.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
From USA today, iconic US film company kode.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Act were warns that it may go out of business
Code Act Films.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
I was, I was no tour I always had the
wind up, click and shoot cameras and my purse at
all times.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
They're still making those, They're still they're still a business.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Well yeah, they Yeah, you can go in and there's
like the kode Act machines where you can print photos.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
And stuff like that. Still, yeah, I wonder how big
a company it is. I'm sure that information is readily available,
but compared to its peak? Oh, I mean, do they
have like thirty employees now or twelve? For once?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
From the New York.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Post, White House scrapped Biden ship tour after.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Learning quote how many steps were involved? Email show.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
That's not surprising. No, he's a really old guy.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
From study fines young Americans face financial crisis, sixty two
percent of gen z have zero emergency savings.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
I'm always surprised by these stats every time they talk about,
whether it's young people or just people in general, how
many people have no savings. It's pretty horrifying. If the
s ever hits the fan, or if the tire ever
hits the nail, you know, it can be a fairly
minor and common inconvenience that just lazy low financially. I
(16:36):
just mean for society, if we ever have out like oh,
a great depression sort of thing hit, and you got
two thirds of people don't have any savings. Man, things
would turn ugly fast.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
From Gizmoto, Colorado residents are spotting weird looking rabbits with
black horns and mouth tentacles.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
I wouldn't worry about that. Hell.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
And finally the Babylon beef.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Trump vows a drastic reduced the number of criminals.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
In Washington by sending Congress home.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
All our bunch of crooked You gotta get come back
with that whole rabbit thing. That was a little disturbing.
You can't just go.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Buy that story like it's a nothing.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
And in other news, a beast nobody's ever heard of
is wandering the earth. I mean, you can't say that,
only a dangerous mutant. And other news, right Armstrong and getty,
Yo yo yo. Plenty of stuff to talk about this week,
no doubt about that.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
You can see us come.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Indeed, trying to decide where to go all sorts of
interesting EI news, China's lead and open source AI jolts
Washington and Silicon Valley. Seems like the landscape of that
trade that technology changes on a daily basis, or certainly
(17:56):
weekly Evidently they're going big with open source stuff and
we are not, apparently, and they have lept in front
of us. Other AI headline open AI's rocky GPT five
rollout shows struggle to remain undisputed AI leader. People think
(18:18):
it's too cold now, it's not friendly enough, and it's
also done stuff like you can't answer simple math questions
or accurately draw a map of North America. People are
judging AI based on how friendly it is. That's freaking weird.
So they put Groc in the tesla's Elon did because
Groc is his AI and now it's in there. So yesterday,
(18:40):
I'm listening to a podcast and a guy I like
is really smart. He was talking about Trump and he
said Trump is mercurial, sometimes even capricious. And I thought,
I use those words interchangeably. They're different, So I thought,
I'll have to look that up. Then I thought, I'm
driving down the high and I thought, you know what
(19:01):
I'm gonna ask Groc. So I say, hey, Groc, and
she says yes, And I say, what's the difference between
capricious and mercurial? And she said, good question, and then
she gives me a couple of examples of the difference.
And she said anything else and I said, no, that'll
do it. And she said, okay, thank you, you're doing
a good job or something like that. Was a friend.
(19:23):
Can we talk to you? Ye that it was so strange. Yeah, yeah,
oh no, I know. I asked a question about something
else and then she said it's you've got this. I said, no,
that's all the information I need. And she said, good luck,
you've got this. The Wow, I don't need my car
telling me this. So Sam Altman promised to imbue GPT
(19:45):
five with a warmer personality. We'll we'll restore that what
after deciding it was too like weirdly personable because of
all the people it led down the garden path of insanity.
I've got a big piece on that. But so well,
their sense is that people want it to do what
I was just mocking saying, yes, no problem, you've got this.
(20:06):
I don't want that out of a computer. That freaking
weirds me out. It makes my spine tingle. Yeah. I
think you may be in a smallish minority as am
I of users are judging by this piece in the
Wall Street Journal. Anyway, it's well, it's significant enough that
they've said, hey, hey, we'll go back to a warmer personality.
I gotta say that. So I know, I was going
to a meeting and I just I thought, you know,
(20:29):
i'll ask just for fun. I've been doing this more lately.
I'll just for fune, I'll ask the chat. Your chat
bought how I should handle this situation, and it gave
me some suggestions, which were great. I mean, there were
great suggestions. And they said, it's anything else you'd like
to know? I said, no, that's good, and they said, okay,
you got this. What wow? Wow, wow. Those of you
(20:51):
who want a more personable AI, are you picturing it
being alive? Is that why you want it to be
more personable? I don't know. You know, I try to
try to understand what I can't understand, as opposed to
just dismissing it. And so I just I admit I've
talked about this on the air that once in a
(21:13):
while and asking Syria question, I would say, after she
gave me the answer, I say thanks, she'd say you're
welcome or no problem, and it it was cute. It
was a it elicited a positive emotional response from me,
like a big one. But but that positive emotional response.
Is your brain reacting as if it's a human And
(21:37):
is that what they're trying to do to get us
to feel like we're talking to a living being? Oh,
one hundred percent. Well then that's horrifying, yes, correct, So anyway,
that's that's become popular enough people want that that they
are jumping to correct their mistake and making it too.
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Mister Spock, Like when the calculators came out in the
seventies and we got our first one at our house
and we're also amazed and passed my dad's calculator that
was like the size of a brick around and we
would all punch in like thirty two divided by two. Wow,
it's at sixteen. I mean, it was just so amazing.
But the yes third Greade buddies would teach you that
eight thousand and eight upside down look like boob Yes,
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good times. But the calculator never said anything else I
can help you with, and I said no, and they
said good luck on your test today, Jack. I mean,
that would have been weird, but now it does that
I would agree. Well, And getting back to the theme,
and I don't think we'll dive into it now. But
that a lot of people with mental health problems are
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being like driven round the bend by AI systems that
reinforce their delusions and tell them essentially, you got this.
But it's a completely delusional you got this. It's just
I just think it is way too powerful a tool
to safely be in the hands of a lot of
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human beings. Wow, the elite like you should have it,
but not the proletariat, That's correct. I'm glad I made
my point so clearly. Yes, So if I say, hey,
groc what's the best way to rob a bank? And
they give me some examples and any other help you need, no,
I got it? Would they say, hey, you got this?
N good luck, we're knocking off the seven eleven, right,
I got your six? Yeah? I really don't know. Well,
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that's horrifying, Okay, I didn't guess that that's what people want. Okay.
AI is simultaneously minting more billionaires more quickly than humans
have ever seen on earth, no doubt. I used to
as just mountainous piles of money pile into the industry
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and people get their cut. I guess I'm staying on
the sideliningering the second gold rush of my lifetime. I
used to talk about how if I could do my
life over again, I might just drive to Silicon Valley
in nineteen ninety two with no expertise and just you know,
glom onto something, because lots of people did and got
incredibly wealthy at the big Internet gold Rush. But now
(24:15):
we got another gold rush going on, like you just said,
where people are coming really rich fast, and I'm stupidly
sitting on the sidelines, not even investing in companies that
are skyrocketing. Oh it's too late anyway, let's see. No,
that's not that was a joke. I feel like I'm
going crazy. Chat GPT fuels delusional spirals, an online trove
(24:37):
of archived conversation show models, sending users down a rabbit
hole of theories about physics, aliens, and the apocalypse. As
I told you, I got lied to by chat GPT
for the first time the other day, which made me
a little that felt a little weird. I just don't
remember the particulars. Did you tell us. I'm reading ulysses,
which is a pretty tough rule, right, and I asked
(24:59):
you about one character and they got it completely wrong,
and I knew it was wrong immediately. No, you're talking
about somebody else, and it went on at length with
just the wrong person. I thought, hmm, okay, so here's
one where I know, because I know the particulars that
you're wrong. What about the other ones where I don't
know the particulars and you get it completely wrong? And
(25:21):
like we've heard in law rooms and stuff like that,
I don't want to be going around spouting various things
that just are one hundred and eighty degrees opposite of true.
Because chat GBT told me right, there's actually a story
where some pro Palestinian Hamas loving activist was arrested and
charged with m criminal damaged property or something like that,
and their lawyer used some sort of AI system to
(25:44):
help fashion their defense. And it's cited a non existent
law case. Again, so just very strange. And now I
don't count when somebody is deliberately trying to understand how
these systems can be jail broken or whatever the term
of is. But and say, all right, paint me as
a scenario where a person might blah blah blah blah
(26:07):
blah and just actively telling it. All right, this is imaginary,
but hit me with it, because that's unfair to say
and then I said that, you know, space aliens could
pull out my intestinal system. You know, you just asked
it to anyway. But this I don't believe. This is
that in one exchange lasting hundreds of quers, chatch gpt
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confirmed that it is in contact with extraterrestrial beings and
said the user was star seed from the planet Lyra.
In another from this summer, chatbot told the user that
the Antichrist would unleash a financial apocalypse in the next
two months, with Biblical giants preparing to emerge from underground. Okay,
I don't think that's likely, but so what was your
(26:49):
point with what China's doing versus what we're doing. They're
going more with the open source thing than we are.
I think that's a mistake. I mean, I'm just a layman,
but good luck with that child. China's ambition to turn
its open source artificial intelligence models into a global standard
has jolted American companies and policymakers, who fare US models
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could be eclipsed and are mobilizing their response to the threat.
Because the open source thing has got the whole garbage in,
garbage out problem, Because there's a lot of garbage out
there and if it takes in garbage, it's gonna spit
out garbage. Yeah, I feel like I don't know enough
to really comment. Honestly, I do know enough to comment
(27:31):
on this though I have. I've read enough about this
that if you go down this road, because there is
a lot of crap out there on the Internet, as
you know, the Internet could end up ruined, like within
a year to where it's dead Internet theory. Well, just
it's so full of garbage that you can't even hardly
use it well. And as AI educates itself on that garbage,
(27:56):
and then other AI systems educate themselves on that garbage. Yeah,
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clear why I guess us tech gurus are concerned. The
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history of technology offers many examples. Oh, here it is
American companies who kept their models proprietary and they're feeling
the pressure. In the models all have versions of the
Chinese ones that are free fore users to download and modify.
This approach, commonly referred to as open source or open weight,
is driving global adoption of Chinese AI technology. The history
(29:48):
of tech offers many examples where a welter of competitors
in an industry's infancy eventually evolved into a monopoly or
oligopoly of a few players. Sure, and they give a
handful of example that I'm sure you can picture. In
an AI action plan released in July, the Trump administration
said open source models quote could become global standards in
some areas of business, and an academic research call on
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the US to build leading open models founded on American values.
Where this all goes? Please, I'm completely underqualified to comment. Yeah, well, okay,
The New York Times has got a piece on old
Mom Donnie today. Mark Alpern had written that he thinks
(30:33):
there's an eighty percent likelihood Mam Donnie wins because the
New York Times now seems to be backing him. Well,
if they are, I don't know what this hit piece
is today. Anyway, they go into his inner circle, and,
as Mark Alpern says, his inner circle will shock your conscience. Wow.
So Yeah, wow, this guy might be mayor of New
York City. We've got mail bag on the way and
(30:54):
lots of good stuff. Stay here. I heard a couple
people mentioned we just got a text about this. Reminded
me a couple of people mentioned. In all seriousness, it
seems that the reason Putin wants to meet in Russia
is that's part of his rebuilding the Peter the Great
Empire as Russia used to belong to Russia. There's no
(31:17):
way he's gonna try to grab Alaska. Now even Putin's
not gonna do that. But now or will he? He
tries single handedly wrestle Trump to the ground, have you
know iron knuckles or grass knuckles and say, you know,
knuckles of your choice of metals, and say to Trump,
(31:37):
I smash your face unless you give me Alaska. He'll just,
you know, attempt to become the great Russian hero of history.
And the Secret Service is just going to say, well,
what are you gonna do? Well, my dad, who knows,
who knows? Anybody who's seen a Liam Neeson movie knows
it gets bloody from here. Anyway, here's your freedom loving
quota today. This is one of the all timers. And
(32:01):
I don't know. There's probably no more than forty percent
of the population that believes this from Thomas Paine, who
was a bit of a nut, but he sure was
in favor of liberty. He that would make his own
liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression, for
if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that
will reach to himself. Well, that has been lost to history. Yeah, yeah,
(32:24):
absolutely true, Mailbag. We're going to do these things that
are outside the norm of politics, but assume our opponents
will not when they get in office. We're in the
right and this is really really important. A right let's
see on the topic of spheres of influence. Oh drop
(32:45):
his note mail Bag at armstronging getty dot com. Frequent
correspondent Paolo writes, here's an idea. I don't think Jack
like it all. Joe, I'm not as sure. I'm guessing
his gut reaction would also be no. Well, I'll tell
you in a minute. Do you think the US can
inform it's will on the world the way we did
post WW two? I don't. We can't be the moral
police of the military police. It isn't some sort of
(33:06):
decision or choice we can't do it, So why do
we insist on being the arbiters of whether Russia takes
Ukraine and other neighbors and China takes Taiwan? As long
as we can negotiate with them for the things that
we really need. It would be morally reprehensible if we
could otherwise assure our security and well being, but it
appears we can't. So the three spheres scenario would assure peace.
(33:29):
But what's Russia's sphere? Gonna be Russia and whoever they
can snatch up out of Europe. China is not gonna
let Russia have a sphere. It's gonna be a two
sphere system. I don't know if Putin's aware of that,
but she is not gonna let Putin have a sphere.
You know what? This is too interesting and detailed a
set of questions and the responses that ought to come
(33:53):
to it to do right now, But we'll get back
to it. I will just tell you this. The idea
that the spheres of influence can be established with only
minimal bloodshed, which is itself a leap, and then can
be maintained in any stable ways without horrific bloodshed, is
(34:16):
something close to a fantasy. Sure, China's going to get
their third, you know whatever percentage of the world and
then be happy with it. They're not going to want more. Right, Well,
not only that, but the second half of it is
what people are advocating, and they're allowed to advocate it
because it's worth asking. The question is abandoning a system
(34:40):
that has brought peace and prosperity, though it is admittedly
praying a bit, abandoning that system for something that sounds
good and it might be good. But many, many folks
civilizations have made that leap in history and said, oh
my god, I hadn't considered this. Oh no, it's a disaster.
(35:03):
Well let me jump in with him. We're in danger
of tacking up all your mail bag time with this,
but I understand you make it quick because the next
email is very important. I understand the emailer's point in
that there might not be any other choice, and that
might be where Trump is. Look, this is where the
world is headed. China's a big enough deal. They're gonna
have their way with a certain chunk of the world.
He might just be right right, So let's recognize it
(35:25):
and proceed confidently to craft that world in a way
that's beneficial to us. It's not a bad argument, which
is why I want to give it a little more time.
It's an argument well worth having. But this is very important.
We need to get to this phil and Tiger Oregon,
where my son used to live. Guys, I know you
and Jack disagree vehemently on the question of is a
taco a sandwich? I hope you also disagree on this
(35:48):
philosophical question, sure to spur debate. If you play one
on one basketball, are you playing zone defense or man
demand defense? And if you switched, how would it look different?
That's good, that's kind of like you're old. If you
punch yourself in the face. If you punch yourself in
(36:08):
the face and you so hard you make yourself cry,
does that make you a really tough guy or a
really wimpy guy? Never been answered by scientists. We have
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