December 9, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 4 of A&G features...
- Chatbots & how it reacts
- Nick Fuentes' act & sex life
- Influencers & their engagement
- Final Thoughts!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Getty Armstrong, and and now hey Armstrong and Getty, if.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
You're willing to sit through me blathering on about AI again,
we have got some really good stuff. Piers Morgan had
the weird little Nazi Nick Fuentes.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
On yesterday on his podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
We got a full minute discussion about Nick Fuentt's sexuality
or having sex or whatever.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
He's a strange dude.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
He has very, very strange and troubling attitudes about women.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
So we'll get to that in just a little bit.
About I wanted to tell you this. This is a
really big deal.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
So the.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Leading company in the race to be the dominant AI
company has been for quite some time, Open Ai with.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Their chat GPT.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
When chat GPT landed in twenty two, it blew the
minds of Zuckerberg and Elon and a whole bunch of
different people, and that's why they started pouring billions and
the Chinese and that's why they all started pouring billions
and billions of dollars into trying to catch up. They
didn't realize how far far ahead Open AI was, well,
the GAP's been closing for quite some time, particularly from
(01:26):
Google and Gemini, which I don't actually like that much
compared to the other ones. But anyway, they're closing the
gap on Sam Altman's company Open AI. And so yesterday
they made the announcement they're gonna prioritize chat GPT and
its ability to just answer your questions like kind of
(01:46):
a fancy Google as opposed to getting to AGI artificial
general intelligence maybe superintelligence, which is, you know, the thing
that's supposed to change planet Earth. Altman suggested you yes
today that they're going to have to pause that quest
to give people what they want for money reasons. It's
the only way they can stay afloat financially and continue
(02:08):
to you know, do their business, keep their doors open.
And that's they were the leading company to get toward AGI,
which is going to be the worst.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Thing that ever happened to people.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
But they're putting that on pause to make chat GPT
good enough that they continue to have their lead so
that they can continue to print money around that.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Now.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
An interesting thing similar to how Tesla finances developing super
robots by selling really good electric cars. But they got
to stick with the core business. Interesting huh.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
So here's an interesting thing, and they started doing this.
I noticed it a couple of weeks back. You use
chat GPT and it will give you two answers, and
it'll say which of these do you like best? And
you click on the answer you like best, and that
is seen as some sort of brilliant way to like
craft their chat bot to be more popular for people.
(03:04):
The problem with that, of course, is most people are morons,
and this in the past went the wrong direction. A
lot of people within open ai are very critical of
using that tool to try to better their chat bot
because well, because people are morons. And it says here
(03:27):
using that model caused chat gpt to be so sycophantic
earlier this year that it's been accused of exacerbating severe
mental health issues health issues for some people.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
In other words, it was.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Giving people what they want to hear with their crazy
mental health issues. In the same way as which of
these answers do you like best? You click on it.
It's just giving you what you want to try to
keep you engaged, including telling you killing yourself would be
a good idea. And we all know that lawsuit we've
talked about it a lot. Anyway, Altman thinks that they've
found a way around that the worst aspects of that
(04:03):
approach for bettering the chat GPT, and that that's what
they're gonna.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Do going forward.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
And I think that's pretty damned interesting and we'll see
how it turns out. The company is releasing a new
chat GPT model in January. It's supposed to have better images,
improved speed, and better personality.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Uh, and that's where we'll be. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
The interesting part of all this to me was that
the the users really loved the give me two choices
and there was a huge boom or bump in engagement.
I guess, yeah, I don't doubt that. But do you
trust the populace on this question?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I don't trust Sam Altman either.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
In terms of people using AI, I am reading from
the news.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Who did this? Wall Street? J're on the New York Times?
Whorever did this story?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
By this spring, interact with chat GPT for zero appears
to have started taking a toll on some people, and
subsequently on Opening Eyes reputation.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
A number of.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Users spiraled into the delusional or manic states while using
the chatbot for extended periods with some believe they were
talking to God, aliens, or a self aware machine consciousness.
Well that last one, yeah, I worry about it every
day when I'm interacting. I've never heard any boy thought
I was talking to God or an alien though, And
(05:28):
then we got for.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
An alien god worst of all. Yeah, uh yeah, okay, so.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
You got the new version with a better personality coming
out in January.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
All right, hang on, let me see what it tells me. Here,
I'm chat gpteing where's a good place for an American
to live as an ex pat? I have plenty of money.
I found out that Gavin Newsom's approval ratings of skyrocketed
in California, and I just I don't know what to
do with that information other than flee the country like
Rosie O'Donnell Ooh this this is such a fun question.
(06:02):
Oh my god, you're a computer. You don't have fun.
You don't know what fun is unless somebody tells.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
You about it.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Well placed, anger, I said, all right, where's a good
place for an American who live as an expat? I
have plenty of money? Because I wanted it to just
you know, go deep. Oh, this is such a fun question,
and with plenty of money, you've got the whole world.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
On the menu.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Let's dive into some of the most spectacular, comfortable, and
downright enjoyable places Americans love to live as expats, each
for different reasons.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
You know what, what They've got to be able to
have you do Because like groc and my Tesla, you
can choose a personality. I need you to meet the
kind of people I hang around, because the kind of people.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I hang around give me very deadpan.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Direct answers to questions. When I asked them a question,
they say, Oh, what a fun question. Wow, the world
is your oyster.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
That's not the way my friends talk to me walking
away for me? Why that's not the way I want
you to talk to me. Yeah, I would.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I would be openly derisive to that person.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Anyway.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Uh okay, wow that yeah, that is something. But you
can choose robot mode, right, I'll have to go into
the setting.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yeah, it's pretty good. It's like emotionless and dry.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
In terms of like the whole giving you advice about
various things. I like Claude, which is anthropics. It is
definitely harsher. It is definitely more. Look, I ain't beating
around the bush.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
That was a bad decision sort of.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Wow, hey Claude, the other chatbots have never done that
with me, but Claude does it all the time.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Maybe I don't know. Maybe I got.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
A BDSM thing going here and I like to be
told I'm wrong or something. Wow, Well, yeah, you're right,
I am so wrong.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Would you like to spank me?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Let's see, all right, I'm gonna ask uh, I'm gonna
ask Claude the same thing.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
No, I don't want to turn on notifications, like off
every notification I get on my stupid phone except for
my wife and my children. There are many great expact
destinations for Americans with financial flexibility. The best choice really
depends on what you're looking for. Here's some popular options. Well, no, this,
but that's good, it's much more.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
What a fun question.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Oh, that's what I'm saying. Let's put on our party
hats and spin the GOLB.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
No, I don't, I don't. I almost dropped an F bomb.
I don't need that. That's funny.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Let's put on our part yet and hit the glook.
Where are we going next?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Well, I tell you what. Portugal is top of everybody's list.
It's a rock star right now, lisb I don't want
to go to Lisbon too many Lisbians.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Portugal is probably awesome, but it's so trendy right now.
You guys, Oh, I know I want to go to
Portugal too. Yet that crowd they're eating the recent cheese
winner we were talking about and talking about how wonderful
Portugal is, and I just, you know, I can't be
a Joiner. So I'm sure Portugal is fantastic, although it'll
only be fantastic probably for like another week before there.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
We go.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
So many Californians there you might as well live in
the valley Bingo Gringo.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
For a tropical lifestyle.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Costa Rican Panama are favorites for Americans close to home
use of the US dollar in Panama, established expac communities,
good healthcare. Thailand and Bali offer exotic experiences with very
low cost and vibrant expats.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Pardon me, carkun kar kun.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I'm looking for something like Somalia or Afghanistan. I don't know,
someplace that other people aren't going well. Somalia would definitely
be at the top of that list.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
I happen to know two people quite well, one of
whom lives in Panama now and the other lives in Thailand.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I know three people, two that are going to Portugal
and one that's already there.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Really.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Oh yeah, Portugal's the hot spot to.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Go to to live.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yes, wow wow, huh yeah, I have to go and
hang out for a while.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
They shouldn't be happy anywhere. If you got money, would
I like them? These people? Probably they're very they're very lefty.
But oh no, no, no, no, no, no no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
No no.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
For high quality of life Switzerland, the Netherlands or Singapore.
If you want excellent infrastructure safety, you know me in infrastructure,
that's title. Man.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I tell you what.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I'm not moving to a country till I've examined their bridges.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
They're girders, they're girders.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Tell me about your girders here in the Netherlands.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Let's see.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
I'm not going to Europe is out because of their
centering a free speech now out of fear to their
Muslim minorities.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
To be a frank who would be the top thing
I'm looking for if I was ever going to do that,
and I probably won't. Probably venture in value, probably safety,
probably live in someplace where I'm not gonna get knocked
on the head or my stuff still, you know, ironically
meta Yine, Columbia is a super popular destination.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
It's supposed to be really nice but cool. All right,
So what matters most to you? Uh, let's say personal safety?
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Safety? How far my money will go? Now?
Speaker 3 (11:16):
I told that, I'm I told that I'm stupid rich,
and I don't care about that. Wow, here are your
best options for personal safety. Portugal consistently ranks as one
of the safest countries globally, very low violent crime rates.
Culture is peaceful, politically stable, with excellent health care. Singapore,
it's expensive, Switzerland, Japan.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I'm moving to Japan. Why not?
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Because nobody speaks English and culturally it's definitely difficult. Yeah,
Japan remarkably safe with minimal violent crime.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Amazing.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Maybe that's what I need to do, move to a
country where nobody speaks English, like Japan. I could live
there for ten years and not have a single conversation.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
It's a beautiful dream.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Be fantastic, Okay, I promised you. Nick Fuente's sex life,
You've been wondering what it's like. He is a weird,
little Nazi and he was on Piers morgan Ish Day.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
We'll have that for you coming up after this.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
I had never heard of Nick Flentes in my life,
I don't think until Donald Trump had dinner with him
and Kanye and then I was told by the mainstream.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Media that he was a.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Nazi nut job, and then I kind of never thought
about him again. Then he went on Tucker's show, and
I did watch that whole interview with Tucker and him,
and it's it's weird, and that's like the nice version
of Nick Fuentes, who has since said horrible.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Things about Tucker Carlson and vice versa. Yeah, there are
definitely two versions of his act. One when he's doing
mainstream stuff and one when he's not.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
And I've watched the show, which you have to go
to like his website and weird formats because like YouTube
won't allow it and most of your mainstream platforms won't
have the Nick Fintes show on there.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
And it's weird.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
It's like poorly lit, poor weird angles. Just it's strange,
and it's a guy just sitting there for hours rambling
on about Nazis and the Jews and stuff. It's just
I don't understand the appeal of it anyway. I didn't
know anything about his sexual life really until Joe brought
it up. I think that he's He's said a few
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things like he's never is he never had sex?
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Is that what he said? Or never had a date?
It comes up in these clips. He he hates women.
He thinks to be in a relationship with a woman
is an embarrassment and all sorts of weird.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
It's not a nut.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Why does he have millions of followers? AnyWho? He was
on Piers Morgan's podcast yesterday and they get into that convo.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Just to clear up one of the many theories about you.
I have no idea what the awns Bisney. You haven't
got to an on set. But are you actually attracted
to women?
Speaker 1 (13:52):
I am attracted to women in Okay, No, but I
will say that women are very difficult to be around. Okay,
so there's that.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
And do you think they should have the right to vote?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I do not?
Speaker 1 (14:08):
No, absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
They should stay at home?
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Well yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
See.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Basically, you're just a misogynous old dinosaur, aren't he? For
a young guy? I mean, I know I'm the boomer.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
I know I'm the boomer here.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
But actually you're a twenty seven year old dinosaur, aren't you?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Aren't you?
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Nathan went?
Speaker 2 (14:27):
All women am I? All women are annoying? All women are?
How old?
Speaker 4 (14:31):
They all get fat?
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Says the guy.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Have you ever had sex?
Speaker 1 (14:35):
No?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Wow, says the guy who's never got laid.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
I want to hear more of that, you know, peers
on the attack. I want to hear more of that.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
So what disturbs me about that.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Is is that part of his appeal to young men
out there who have not gaged engaged in the world
of like actually dating and going out the difficulties of
having relationships, is that appealing to just go with a
Yale women are horrible screwing sex either I would, but
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I have it because they're all bitches.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
It's a much more universal application of I'll bet she's
a lesbian after she rejects you, no woman is worth me.
That's the way you protect your ego and you rationalize
your own lack of courage.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Wow. Sad.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
You know what's amazing to me is that as many
followers have not had enough or any good male role
models in their lives to understand how pathetic he is
maybe they have nothing to compare it with. You know,
I really like Colin Wright. He's never had sex.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
How old is he sick? Twenty eight or something?
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah, something like that. Yeah, super smart guy. I mean,
that's one thing you get from listening to him talking.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
He's a very, very bright dude. It's very weird dude.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Colin Wright with an interesting new report from this data
firm that shows Nick Fuente's sudden mainstream visibility reflects a
coordinated illusion instead of a grassroots search. According to the NCRI,
Fuente's rise was driven by synchronized amplification networks, anonymous booster accounts,
foreign engagement farms in a media media ecosystem that mistook
manufactured noise for genuine political momentum.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Man, and I got to think it is current popularity
and wealth. He's had many women interested in him, and
he's still not going there.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
That's a strange view of the world.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
They're making the point though, in this report that he's
not nearly as big as you think he is because
so many of the numbers are grossly inflated.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah, I don't have any idea.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Then he's a convenient punching bag for the mainstream media
because he's at poor true.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
See, that's why one of the reasons that I haven't
talked about him and a lot of the other people
is I think, of course I hear about them more
on MSNBC.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I don't ever hear about them on fire.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I hear about him on the mainstream media because they
want to portray all, you know, Trump.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
World as these people.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Yeah, more on how that media amplification works in a
couple of minutes, stay with.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Us, Armstrong and Getty. First of all, I just watched
the video of that AI robot making guy was that Japan, China,
China and fighting his robot and the robot kicking.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Him to the ground.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Man, wait till those things are unleashed on society, when
every bar has one of those fighting robots.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
To deal with.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Oh wait a minute, Oh it's a bouncer, I thought,
is like an attraction, tough guy contest.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Can you beat the robot?
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Or maybe that Yeah has something to watch? That's that's
get that's getting disturbing. It's getting quite disturbing.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Yeah, the the speed of the things pretty terrifying.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Speaking of disturbing, so we're we are in the industry
of having eyeballs and earballs obviously, and the stuff that
we're on radio and podcast it's pretty easy to nail
down how many people you got, especially on podcasting, to
know actually how many people are listening or watching or whatever.
(18:19):
But a lot of what goes on on the modern
world it's hard to measure. We talk about this all
the time with with TV ratings.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
You know, when.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
I don't know anything happens that's I'm looking at on
my phone. How many people watched it on NBC versus
watch it on YouTube versus watched it on their phone
through an app that doesn't count for broadcast ratings. And
you know, there's that whole thing is weird, right, And
then you've just got in people's imaginations, like if you're older,
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you might have a belief that the Evening News has
got a lot more viewers than Megan Kelly, but you're wrong.
Megan Kelly is bigger than the ABC Evening News, s Tucker.
So are lots of people. But then you got these
other people like Candice Owen's Nick Flint as people like that.
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I don't have the slightest idea how much influence they have,
And they have numbers on some platforms, and Joe's about
to tell us about that. But like Nick Folentz has
one point two million followers on x but he's been
banned from most of your mainstream things like YouTube, Instagram, Facebook,
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and TikTok.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
For instance, he's.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
On Rumble, where he says he's got a half a
million followers. He's on Telegram with one hundred thousand followers.
He claims he's on gab with one hundred thousand unknown
on truth Social or kick. I don't know what the
kick is, so ah, how much? How real are those numbers?
How much reach does he have? I haven't got the
slightest idea, And.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Even like the Megan Kelly numbers, are the Tucker Carlson numbers?
For instance, if you watch a single second of a video,
you're listed as having watched the video. And are those
actual eyeballs watching the video? Which brings us to this
report from the NCRI Network Contagion Research Institute, a neutral
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and independent organization. His mission is to identify and forecast
cyber social threats and report on them in a timely fashion.
And judging by the people who follow them and this
guy writing about him, they seem to be a good organization.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
The only reason I believe, like Megan, Kelly and Tucker
are biggest because they each had twenty million viewers when
they were on Fox, and I can believe that a
lot of them followed them.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
But for these other people that have never had.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
A traditional sort of platform, I don't have any idea
how big they are.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Well yeah, well no, and you never will have any
idea how big they are because it's so easy to
manipulate the numbers, right, which is my point and bring
this up, although you know, mister Beeast has never had
a big network show, has he And he's like, but he's.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Easy to count.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
He's on YouTube and you can tell that he's got
more subscribers than anybody else on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Right.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
So anyway, here is this report on Nick Fuente's rise
driven by synchronized amplification networks, anonymous booster accounts, foreign engagement farms,
and media ecosystem that mistook manufactured noise for genuine political momentum. Yeah,
I mean, how many media, like old timey media people
who report on these numbers have any idea how they
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work anyway?
Speaker 1 (21:22):
To a certain extent, though, like thinking about mister beast.
YouTube must believe their own numbers because they give out
lots of money based on them and they're not youtubees.
Different businessmen aren't dumb like I, being in the business
that we're in, I figure out how big a deal
you are kind of by how much money you make,
because people don't give away money easily, and they only
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give it to you if you're earning it somehow, and
that would be with earballs and eyeballs.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Okay, One more desperate attempt to actually get to the
explanation of what's happening here, NCRI compared early engagement on
Nick Fuente's posts like tweets and that sort of thing
with those of major influencers like Elon Musk and others. Somehow,
Fuentes massively outperformed all of them in the first thirty
minutes the mean retweets within various time windows. He crushes
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everybody in the first thirty minutes after a tweet goes up,
comparing him with Elon.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Musk, for instance.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Oh and it's it's not even close in the first minutes,
and then it gets much much closer.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
God, anyway, what's Elon got like two hundred and seventy
million followers or something like that.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Uh sixty one percent of early retweets came from accounts
that repeatedly amplify multiple Fuentes posts within the same thirty
minute window. Ninety two percent of those are anonymous, many
openly identify as.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Grouper's or signal boosters.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Their feeds exist almost solely to promote him.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
For an engagement at massive scale.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Nearly half of the retweets on his most viral posts
posts came from accounts clustered in places like India, Pakistan, Nigeria, Malaysian,
into Nisia, all of which are hubs for low cost
engagement farming. Uh fwent As actively directs the manipulation. N
CRI documents him instructing viewers during live streams to retweet
his post seconds after they drop, triggering algorithmic boosts. This
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behavior may violate X's coordinated inauthentic activities policies. So he
knows exactly how this stuff works, and he's good at
manipulating it.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah, he's super smart.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
I'm telling you, if you haven't ever listened to him
talk at length, he's obviously an incredibly bright guy.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Well, he knows what business he's in. Yeah, but one
one more note. The media fell for it. Between June
and November of this year, fifteen major outlets published one
hundred and forty nine stories mentioning Fuentes after Charlie Kirk's assassination,
and CRII found a sixty percent spike in high status
framing Ie reporters suddenly describing him as more influential and
politically relevant. Mainstream media thought they were tracking organic sentiment
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on the right. In reality, it was reacting to manufactured
noise because he's so good at manipulating those numbers here.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
But what are we going to do about this in
terms of having any idea how big anybody is.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Well, according to the NCRI, the real issue issue isn't Fuentees.
It's the fact that our media and tech ecosystem can
no longer reliably distinguish organic influence from manufactured momentum. And
if one fringe figure can break through this easily, others
will follow.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Okay, so they're saying, you can't. There's nothing we can
do about this. It's going to be a mess. Everybody
will be guessing, we'll all be reacting.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
To We'll make up a name.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Mohammad McGillicutty.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I was going to go Goldberg.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I was going to go with Mohammed Goldberg will be
the biggest influencer in America in ten years, and we
won't have the slightest idea if he does have like
half a billion followers wordldwide or practically nobody and how
will be guessing everybody's talking about him, But it's all fake.
(24:58):
It's all everybody talking about him because we think everybody's
talking about him, which is the way.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
You know, a lot of stuff happens.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Right here's a crowd, like a crowd, it seems exactly.
It seems inexcusable for Elon and X not to compensate
for this astroturft amplification would certainly not be difficult to
downrank anonymous third world accounts that coordinate responses. Makes you
wonder how much of the entire woke right or woke
rich is astroturft, particularly the two most bats crazed of
(25:26):
the bunch, Carlson and Owens. That's his comment, not mine,
although I don't disagree much.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
My guess would be that again, just because Tucker had
twenty million viewers at one point, that he's astronomically bigger
than a Candace Owens.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Yeah, but how big that's you know, I don't know,
that's the question here. Eh, okay, but so, but so what, well,
what are you going to do with this information in
terms of figuring out who people are listening to or
whether or not it's worth commenting on someone.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
I mean, if there's a random.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Voice out there who actually only has twenty five thousand
people listening to them, there's no point in responding to
what they think at all. On the other hand, if
they have two and a half million people.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Like Mohammed Goldberg, Mohamed Goldberg, I probably should know weigh
in on what your refake. Historian they had on that
said Winston Churchill was the bad guy, right. Well, what's
interesting is a lot of this ecosystem doesn't care. They
just want jazzy conflict, heavy engagement or entertainment on their source.
(26:34):
So like, if I'm a lefty, I'm going crazy about
Nick Fuentes because my audience enjoys it. Not that there's
any need to. I mean, he's in the greater political ecosystem.
A guy like him is probably completely well insignificant. I
just I don't well, well, go ahead, you're about to
say what I was about to say.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I like to flatter.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Myself or us that we're engaged in the national conversation
about these things for real, and so that's why it
matters to me.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Well, yeah, that's why I get up in the morning.
I have no interest in being a dancing monkey. But
I'm not young, and I don't know what's it pay
being a dancing monkey. Well, I'm not a a young
would be influencer who sees, you know, gigantic dollar signs ahead,
and that's my priority. I I don't care at this point.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Well, these things have very long shelf lives. Well, Nick
Fancy's is in his twenties. Will he still be something
in his forties? Well, this candas own thing blow up,
like you know, she told the turning point anywhere anytime,
I'll debate you. And then they say, they said, how
about Tuesday at two? And she said, I'm busy. I mean,
is there an end to the road of these sorts
of things?
Speaker 2 (27:40):
That's a great question. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
It's all arisen so quickly. I suspect it'll go away
quickly too, for reasons I can't even guess how easy
come easy, go exactly here today, gone today.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
My guess would be there will be a new version
of canvas doing roughly the same thing.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
That everybody will move over there. Her audience will move
over there.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
When they yeah different issues different although it'll still be
what's wrong with the Jews, because that seems to be
a constant through human history.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Save your money, Candice, I don't see this as having
a long.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Shelf life, you know, for you jackasses who blame the
Jews for everything, and you are you were fools. I
read a great little list of the complaints about the
Jews in like the twentieth century, and I got to
see if I can dig it up. I didn't save it,
but it was essentially, it's not that I don't like Jews.
(28:33):
I don't like Marxists, and the Jews are Marxists, followed
quickly by it's not that I don't like Jews, it's
that I don't like what capitalists Jews are, because everybody
knows they're raving capitalists, followed by I don't mind the Jews,
so I'm not anti Jew. I just don't like them
colonizing because they're real colonizers. And then it just goes
(28:56):
it just it takes different forms over and over again.
I like, is it Peggy Noonan? She might have been
quoting somebody else, might have been been Lave. He's in
followed somebody who said, you can pretty reliably judge the
health of a civilization by how it treats the Jews.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Oh that was what's your name that just took over CBS.
Oh Barry Wise, Yeah, she's Jewish. Yeah, well, so where
do you what's your guess on like a Nick foint is?
Do you think he's much much smaller in reality than
being portrayed.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Oh gosh, it depends how he's being portrayed. Uhr, I don't.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I don't know. Honest.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
He portrayed as an influential voice in conservative politics, and
enough so, for instance, that the guy at Heritage stood
up for him, the biggest, most important, at least back
in the day conservative think tank in America was he
wasn't he he was standing up for Tucker in here
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for Tucker having Nick?
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Oh right, all right, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. In
answer to your question about Nick, and this is a guess,
I don't know, because I'm not in that sub ecosystem.
But a lot of these people, if you ignored them,
they would just go away.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Yeah, it doesn't mean he's right, Roberts, the guy that
was leading Heritage Foundation. Doesn't mean that he was right,
but he was scared enough of the gropers Nick Fuente's
crowd that he, you know, soft pedaled the Nick's appearance
on Tucker.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Well, look what the critical theory, the postmodern neo Marxist accomplished,
especially post George Floyd. They and right now where they're
teaching your kids radical gender theory in schools instead of
teaching the math. A small group of dedicated extremists can
get a lot done.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah, the intensity of your listener slash viewers that I mean,
it works that way in radio too. Can have a
lot of people that kind of casually listen. Well, we have,
we have also we have a lot of people that
are really really into our show, and it helps with
the advertising. Either I'm guessing that the people there's a
certain number of Graper's out there, and I don't know
if it's a thousand or one hundred thousand.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
That are pretty serious about being into Nick. Flinty's my
final note on this. And folks have made this comment
or this point very eloquently. A lot of these guys
who are leading young men to bad places. It's not
that shocking because young men have been told over and
over again by the modern left that they're awful human beings,
that they're the problem, that they should be ashamed of
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who they are, they should be ashamed of their masculinity,
and a lot of these people their first message is
I don't believe that.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I think you're just fine.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
I said that a couple of weeks ago and got
killed on Twitter. I don't know if you saw about
that as somebody who stood up for Nick Flints.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Well, if you can't grasp the subtlety of what's being said,
I don't know, maybe go look at a shiny object.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
We will finish strong.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Next, what's your last best joke?
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Jake Tapper corrected a mistake he made describing the jan
six pipe bomber as white when he was clearly black.
Insider say Tapper now must return all those Kwanza gifts
he got for Wolf Blitzer.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
All right, Yeah, so it was several months ago, is like,
right after I watched Nick Flentes on Tucker Carlson that
I said, I said one of the things that the
tolds that he that he gets is because white males,
straight white males are being blamed for everything all the time.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
And so you got somebody who's saying, I mean.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
It's the only group in America that can't say I
think it'd be better if there were more of us.
Every other group other than white straight males can say
I think it'd be better if there were more of us.
And Nick Flentes and Tucker and others, you know, tap
into that and you find a home there, even if
the other stuff is repulsive. That's all I said, just
like Joe said last break. So I had posted a
(33:09):
picture of my family out for a walk on Thanksgiving,
which of course is ripe for an angry attack that
sort of thing, a Thanksgiving family picture, and the guy
I'm lay togetherness. Yes, a guy responded with I love
the show and have been a faithful listener since the
late nineties. Jack is no longer an asset to the show.
He's no longer funny, can't seem to speak anymore, defends
(33:30):
Nick Fuintes and lays his wet comforter on his bed
to dry. The last one should have been a kid's
taken away activity that's actually kind of funny.
Speaker 6 (33:39):
I would agree with that defends Nick flint Is Again,
if you can't understand the difference, then to understand something
is not to endorse it.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
Checks Tim Stop, Jack.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
And Joe Live God Go and if they don't give
Kendale b beats Tom.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Here's your host for final thoughts, Joe Getty.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
I could write a seventy five page book without pausing
for lunch on why the Nazis took all to Germany.
That doesn't make me a Nazi Yamron's anyway.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Let's get a final thought from everybody on the crew
to wrap things up for the day. There is Michael Angelo.
Mike Call, what's your final thoughts?
Speaker 7 (34:21):
Okay, Christmas is basically two weeks away and Jack I
tried getting a stocking stuff for my wife and it
was not gonna arrive till December twenty second, So things
are getting tight now on.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Shipping boy yeah kaos in which the Armstrong and Getty store.
You can always just have a nice picture of what
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I've resorted to that more than once, and my relationships
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Speaker 2 (34:45):
Katy Green, do you have a final thought for us.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
I do after listening to Nick Quente, is he just
sounds like a bitter kid that got rejected.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Yeah, right down, yep.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Jack.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Final thought for us when I.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Was perusing Twitter for a while over Thanksgiving, there is
more hate toward me about my whole wet Comforter story
than anything I think I've ever said.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
It's one of the strangest things I've ever heard. One
of that hate was me and Michael.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yeah. I already did my final thought.
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
You're willing to sit through me blathering on about AI again,
we have got some really good stuff. Piers Morgan had
the weird little Nazi Nick Fuentes.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
On yesterday on his podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
We got a full minute discussion about Nick Fuentt's sexuality
or having sex or whatever.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
He's a strange dude.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
He has very, very strange and troubling attitudes about women.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
So we'll get to that in just a little bit.
About I wanted to tell you this. This is a
really big deal.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
So the.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Leading company in the race to be the dominant AI
company has been for quite some time, Open Ai with.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Their chat GPT.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
When chat GPT landed in twenty two, it blew the
minds of Zuckerberg and Elon and a whole bunch of
different people, and that's why they started pouring billions and
the Chinese and that's why they all started pouring billions
and billions of dollars into trying to catch up. They
didn't realize how far far ahead Open AI was, well,
the GAP's been closing for quite some time, particularly from
(01:26):
Google and Gemini, which I don't actually like that much
compared to the other ones. But anyway, they're closing the
gap on Sam Altman's company Open AI. And so yesterday
they made the announcement they're gonna prioritize chat GPT and
its ability to just answer your questions like kind of
(01:46):
a fancy Google as opposed to getting to AGI artificial
general intelligence maybe superintelligence, which is, you know, the thing
that's supposed to change planet Earth. Altman suggested you yes
today that they're going to have to pause that quest
to give people what they want for money reasons. It's
the only way they can stay afloat financially and continue
(02:08):
to you know, do their business, keep their doors open.
And that's they were the leading company to get toward AGI,
which is going to be the worst.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Thing that ever happened to people.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
But they're putting that on pause to make chat GPT
good enough that they continue to have their lead so
that they can continue to print money around that.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Now.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
An interesting thing similar to how Tesla finances developing super
robots by selling really good electric cars. But they got
to stick with the core business. Interesting huh.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
So here's an interesting thing, and they started doing this.
I noticed it a couple of weeks back. You use
chat GPT and it will give you two answers, and
it'll say which of these do you like best? And
you click on the answer you like best, and that
is seen as some sort of brilliant way to like
craft their chat bot to be more popular for people.
(03:04):
The problem with that, of course, is most people are morons,
and this in the past went the wrong direction. A
lot of people within open ai are very critical of
using that tool to try to better their chat bot
because well, because people are morons. And it says here
(03:27):
using that model caused chat gpt to be so sycophantic
earlier this year that it's been accused of exacerbating severe
mental health issues health issues for some people.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
In other words, it was.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Giving people what they want to hear with their crazy
mental health issues. In the same way as which of
these answers do you like best? You click on it.
It's just giving you what you want to try to
keep you engaged, including telling you killing yourself would be
a good idea. And we all know that lawsuit we've
talked about it a lot. Anyway, Altman thinks that they've
found a way around that the worst aspects of that
(04:03):
approach for bettering the chat GPT, and that that's what
they're gonna.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Do going forward.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
And I think that's pretty damned interesting and we'll see
how it turns out. The company is releasing a new
chat GPT model in January. It's supposed to have better images,
improved speed, and better personality.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Uh, and that's where we'll be. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
The interesting part of all this to me was that
the the users really loved the give me two choices
and there was a huge boom or bump in engagement.
I guess, yeah, I don't doubt that. But do you
trust the populace on this question?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I don't trust Sam Altman either.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
In terms of people using AI, I am reading from
the news.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Who did this? Wall Street? J're on the New York Times?
Whorever did this story?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
By this spring, interact with chat GPT for zero appears
to have started taking a toll on some people, and
subsequently on Opening Eyes reputation.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
A number of.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Users spiraled into the delusional or manic states while using
the chatbot for extended periods with some believe they were
talking to God, aliens, or a self aware machine consciousness.
Well that last one, yeah, I worry about it every
day when I'm interacting. I've never heard any boy thought
I was talking to God or an alien though, And
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then we got for.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
An alien god worst of all. Yeah, uh yeah, okay, so.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
You got the new version with a better personality coming
out in January.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
All right, hang on, let me see what it tells me. Here,
I'm chat gpteing where's a good place for an American
to live as an ex pat? I have plenty of money.
I found out that Gavin Newsom's approval ratings of skyrocketed
in California, and I just I don't know what to
do with that information other than flee the country like
Rosie O'Donnell Ooh this this is such a fun question.
(06:02):
Oh my god, you're a computer. You don't have fun.
You don't know what fun is unless somebody tells.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
You about it.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Well placed, anger, I said, all right, where's a good
place for an American who live as an expat? I
have plenty of money? Because I wanted it to just
you know, go deep. Oh, this is such a fun question,
and with plenty of money, you've got the whole world.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
On the menu.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Let's dive into some of the most spectacular, comfortable, and
downright enjoyable places Americans love to live as expats, each
for different reasons.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
You know what, what They've got to be able to
have you do Because like groc and my Tesla, you
can choose a personality. I need you to meet the
kind of people I hang around, because the kind of people.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I hang around give me very deadpan.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Direct answers to questions. When I asked them a question,
they say, Oh, what a fun question. Wow, the world
is your oyster.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
That's not the way my friends talk to me walking
away for me? Why that's not the way I want
you to talk to me. Yeah, I would.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I would be openly derisive to that person.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Anyway.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Uh okay, wow that yeah, that is something. But you
can choose robot mode, right, I'll have to go into
the setting.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yeah, it's pretty good. It's like emotionless and dry.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
In terms of like the whole giving you advice about
various things. I like Claude, which is anthropics. It is
definitely harsher. It is definitely more. Look, I ain't beating
around the bush.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
That was a bad decision sort of.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Wow, hey Claude, the other chatbots have never done that
with me, but Claude does it all the time.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Maybe I don't know. Maybe I got.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
A BDSM thing going here and I like to be
told I'm wrong or something. Wow, Well, yeah, you're right,
I am so wrong.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Would you like to spank me?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Let's see, all right, I'm gonna ask uh, I'm gonna
ask Claude the same thing.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
No, I don't want to turn on notifications, like off
every notification I get on my stupid phone except for
my wife and my children. There are many great expact
destinations for Americans with financial flexibility. The best choice really
depends on what you're looking for. Here's some popular options. Well, no, this,
but that's good, it's much more.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
What a fun question.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Oh, that's what I'm saying. Let's put on our party
hats and spin the GOLB.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
No, I don't, I don't. I almost dropped an F bomb.
I don't need that. That's funny.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Let's put on our part yet and hit the glook.
Where are we going next?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Well, I tell you what. Portugal is top of everybody's list.
It's a rock star right now, lisb I don't want
to go to Lisbon too many Lisbians.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Portugal is probably awesome, but it's so trendy right now.
You guys, Oh, I know I want to go to
Portugal too. Yet that crowd they're eating the recent cheese
winner we were talking about and talking about how wonderful
Portugal is, and I just, you know, I can't be
a Joiner. So I'm sure Portugal is fantastic, although it'll
only be fantastic probably for like another week before there.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
We go.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
So many Californians there you might as well live in
the valley Bingo Gringo.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
For a tropical lifestyle.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Costa Rican Panama are favorites for Americans close to home
use of the US dollar in Panama, established expac communities,
good healthcare. Thailand and Bali offer exotic experiences with very
low cost and vibrant expats.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Pardon me, carkun kar kun.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I'm looking for something like Somalia or Afghanistan. I don't know,
someplace that other people aren't going well. Somalia would definitely
be at the top of that list.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
I happen to know two people quite well, one of
whom lives in Panama now and the other lives in Thailand.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I know three people, two that are going to Portugal
and one that's already there.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Really.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Oh yeah, Portugal's the hot spot to.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Go to to live.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yes, wow wow, huh yeah, I have to go and
hang out for a while.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
They shouldn't be happy anywhere. If you got money, would
I like them? These people? Probably they're very they're very lefty.
But oh no, no, no, no, no, no no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
No no.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
For high quality of life Switzerland, the Netherlands or Singapore.
If you want excellent infrastructure safety, you know me in infrastructure,
that's title. Man.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I tell you what.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I'm not moving to a country till I've examined their bridges.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
They're girders, they're girders.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Tell me about your girders here in the Netherlands.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Let's see.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
I'm not going to Europe is out because of their
centering a free speech now out of fear to their
Muslim minorities.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
To be a frank who would be the top thing
I'm looking for if I was ever going to do that,
and I probably won't. Probably venture in value, probably safety,
probably live in someplace where I'm not gonna get knocked
on the head or my stuff still, you know, ironically
meta Yine, Columbia is a super popular destination.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
It's supposed to be really nice but cool. All right,
So what matters most to you? Uh, let's say personal safety?
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Safety? How far my money will go? Now?
Speaker 3 (11:16):
I told that, I'm I told that I'm stupid rich,
and I don't care about that. Wow, here are your
best options for personal safety. Portugal consistently ranks as one
of the safest countries globally, very low violent crime rates.
Culture is peaceful, politically stable, with excellent health care. Singapore,
it's expensive, Switzerland, Japan.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I'm moving to Japan. Why not?
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Because nobody speaks English and culturally it's definitely difficult. Yeah,
Japan remarkably safe with minimal violent crime.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Amazing.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Maybe that's what I need to do, move to a
country where nobody speaks English, like Japan. I could live
there for ten years and not have a single conversation.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
It's a beautiful dream.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Be fantastic, Okay, I promised you. Nick Fuente's sex life,
You've been wondering what it's like. He is a weird,
little Nazi and he was on Piers morgan Ish Day.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
We'll have that for you coming up after this.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
I had never heard of Nick Flentes in my life,
I don't think until Donald Trump had dinner with him
and Kanye and then I was told by the mainstream.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Media that he was a.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Nazi nut job, and then I kind of never thought
about him again. Then he went on Tucker's show, and
I did watch that whole interview with Tucker and him,
and it's it's weird, and that's like the nice version
of Nick Fuentes, who has since said horrible.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Things about Tucker Carlson and vice versa. Yeah, there are
definitely two versions of his act. One when he's doing
mainstream stuff and one when he's not.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
And I've watched the show, which you have to go
to like his website and weird formats because like YouTube
won't allow it and most of your mainstream platforms won't
have the Nick Fintes show on there.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
And it's weird.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
It's like poorly lit, poor weird angles. Just it's strange,
and it's a guy just sitting there for hours rambling
on about Nazis and the Jews and stuff. It's just
I don't understand the appeal of it anyway. I didn't
know anything about his sexual life really until Joe brought
it up. I think that he's He's said a few
(13:25):
things like he's never is he never had sex?
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Is that what he said? Or never had a date?
It comes up in these clips. He he hates women.
He thinks to be in a relationship with a woman
is an embarrassment and all sorts of weird.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
It's not a nut.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Why does he have millions of followers? AnyWho? He was
on Piers Morgan's podcast yesterday and they get into that convo.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Just to clear up one of the many theories about you.
I have no idea what the awns Bisney. You haven't
got to an on set. But are you actually attracted
to women?
Speaker 1 (13:52):
I am attracted to women in Okay, No, but I
will say that women are very difficult to be around. Okay,
so there's that.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
And do you think they should have the right to vote?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I do not?
Speaker 1 (14:08):
No, absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
They should stay at home?
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Well yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
See.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Basically, you're just a misogynous old dinosaur, aren't he? For
a young guy? I mean, I know I'm the boomer.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
I know I'm the boomer here.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
But actually you're a twenty seven year old dinosaur, aren't you?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Aren't you?
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Nathan went?
Speaker 2 (14:27):
All women am I? All women are annoying? All women are?
How old?
Speaker 4 (14:31):
They all get fat?
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Says the guy.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Have you ever had sex?
Speaker 1 (14:35):
No?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Wow, says the guy who's never got laid.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
I want to hear more of that, you know, peers
on the attack. I want to hear more of that.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
So what disturbs me about that.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Is is that part of his appeal to young men
out there who have not gaged engaged in the world
of like actually dating and going out the difficulties of
having relationships, is that appealing to just go with a
Yale women are horrible screwing sex either I would, but
(15:09):
I have it because they're all bitches.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
It's a much more universal application of I'll bet she's
a lesbian after she rejects you, no woman is worth me.
That's the way you protect your ego and you rationalize
your own lack of courage.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Wow. Sad.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
You know what's amazing to me is that as many
followers have not had enough or any good male role
models in their lives to understand how pathetic he is
maybe they have nothing to compare it with. You know,
I really like Colin Wright. He's never had sex.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
How old is he sick? Twenty eight or something?
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah, something like that. Yeah, super smart guy. I mean,
that's one thing you get from listening to him talking.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
He's a very, very bright dude. It's very weird dude.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Colin Wright with an interesting new report from this data
firm that shows Nick Fuente's sudden mainstream visibility reflects a
coordinated illusion instead of a grassroots search. According to the NCRI,
Fuente's rise was driven by synchronized amplification networks, anonymous booster accounts,
foreign engagement farms in a media media ecosystem that mistook
manufactured noise for genuine political momentum.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Man, and I got to think it is current popularity
and wealth. He's had many women interested in him, and
he's still not going there.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
That's a strange view of the world.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
They're making the point though, in this report that he's
not nearly as big as you think he is because
so many of the numbers are grossly inflated.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah, I don't have any idea.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Then he's a convenient punching bag for the mainstream media
because he's at poor true.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
See, that's why one of the reasons that I haven't
talked about him and a lot of the other people
is I think, of course I hear about them more
on MSNBC.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I don't ever hear about them on fire.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I hear about him on the mainstream media because they
want to portray all, you know, Trump.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
World as these people.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Yeah, more on how that media amplification works in a
couple of minutes, stay with.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Us, Armstrong and Getty. First of all, I just watched
the video of that AI robot making guy was that Japan, China,
China and fighting his robot and the robot kicking.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Him to the ground.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Man, wait till those things are unleashed on society, when
every bar has one of those fighting robots.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
To deal with.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Oh wait a minute, Oh it's a bouncer, I thought,
is like an attraction, tough guy contest.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Can you beat the robot?
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Or maybe that Yeah has something to watch? That's that's
get that's getting disturbing. It's getting quite disturbing.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Yeah, the the speed of the things pretty terrifying.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Speaking of disturbing, so we're we are in the industry
of having eyeballs and earballs obviously, and the stuff that
we're on radio and podcast it's pretty easy to nail
down how many people you got, especially on podcasting, to
know actually how many people are listening or watching or whatever.
(18:19):
But a lot of what goes on on the modern
world it's hard to measure. We talk about this all
the time with with TV ratings.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
You know, when.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
I don't know anything happens that's I'm looking at on
my phone. How many people watched it on NBC versus
watch it on YouTube versus watched it on their phone
through an app that doesn't count for broadcast ratings. And
you know, there's that whole thing is weird, right, And
then you've just got in people's imaginations, like if you're older,
(18:49):
you might have a belief that the Evening News has
got a lot more viewers than Megan Kelly, but you're wrong.
Megan Kelly is bigger than the ABC Evening News, s Tucker.
So are lots of people. But then you got these
other people like Candice Owen's Nick Flint as people like that.
(19:10):
I don't have the slightest idea how much influence they have,
And they have numbers on some platforms, and Joe's about
to tell us about that. But like Nick Folentz has
one point two million followers on x but he's been
banned from most of your mainstream things like YouTube, Instagram, Facebook,
(19:30):
and TikTok.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
For instance, he's.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
On Rumble, where he says he's got a half a
million followers. He's on Telegram with one hundred thousand followers.
He claims he's on gab with one hundred thousand unknown
on truth Social or kick. I don't know what the
kick is, so ah, how much? How real are those numbers?
How much reach does he have? I haven't got the
slightest idea, And.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Even like the Megan Kelly numbers, are the Tucker Carlson numbers?
For instance, if you watch a single second of a video,
you're listed as having watched the video. And are those
actual eyeballs watching the video? Which brings us to this
report from the NCRI Network Contagion Research Institute, a neutral
(20:11):
and independent organization. His mission is to identify and forecast
cyber social threats and report on them in a timely fashion.
And judging by the people who follow them and this
guy writing about him, they seem to be a good organization.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
The only reason I believe, like Megan, Kelly and Tucker
are biggest because they each had twenty million viewers when
they were on Fox, and I can believe that a
lot of them followed them.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
But for these other people that have never had.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
A traditional sort of platform, I don't have any idea
how big they are.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Well yeah, well no, and you never will have any
idea how big they are because it's so easy to
manipulate the numbers, right, which is my point and bring
this up, although you know, mister Beeast has never had
a big network show, has he And he's like, but he's.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Easy to count.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
He's on YouTube and you can tell that he's got
more subscribers than anybody else on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Right.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
So anyway, here is this report on Nick Fuente's rise
driven by synchronized amplification networks, anonymous booster accounts, foreign engagement farms,
and media ecosystem that mistook manufactured noise for genuine political momentum. Yeah,
I mean, how many media, like old timey media people
who report on these numbers have any idea how they
(21:21):
work anyway?
Speaker 1 (21:22):
To a certain extent, though, like thinking about mister beast.
YouTube must believe their own numbers because they give out
lots of money based on them and they're not youtubees.
Different businessmen aren't dumb like I, being in the business
that we're in, I figure out how big a deal
you are kind of by how much money you make,
because people don't give away money easily, and they only
(21:43):
give it to you if you're earning it somehow, and
that would be with earballs and eyeballs.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Okay, One more desperate attempt to actually get to the
explanation of what's happening here, NCRI compared early engagement on
Nick Fuente's posts like tweets and that sort of thing
with those of major influencers like Elon Musk and others. Somehow,
Fuentes massively outperformed all of them in the first thirty
minutes the mean retweets within various time windows. He crushes
(22:12):
everybody in the first thirty minutes after a tweet goes up,
comparing him with Elon.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Musk, for instance.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Oh and it's it's not even close in the first minutes,
and then it gets much much closer.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
God, anyway, what's Elon got like two hundred and seventy
million followers or something like that.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Uh sixty one percent of early retweets came from accounts
that repeatedly amplify multiple Fuentes posts within the same thirty
minute window. Ninety two percent of those are anonymous, many
openly identify as.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Grouper's or signal boosters.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Their feeds exist almost solely to promote him.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
For an engagement at massive scale.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Nearly half of the retweets on his most viral posts
posts came from accounts clustered in places like India, Pakistan, Nigeria, Malaysian,
into Nisia, all of which are hubs for low cost
engagement farming. Uh fwent As actively directs the manipulation. N
CRI documents him instructing viewers during live streams to retweet
his post seconds after they drop, triggering algorithmic boosts. This
(23:15):
behavior may violate X's coordinated inauthentic activities policies. So he
knows exactly how this stuff works, and he's good at
manipulating it.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah, he's super smart.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
I'm telling you, if you haven't ever listened to him
talk at length, he's obviously an incredibly bright guy.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Well, he knows what business he's in. Yeah, but one
one more note. The media fell for it. Between June
and November of this year, fifteen major outlets published one
hundred and forty nine stories mentioning Fuentes after Charlie Kirk's assassination,
and CRII found a sixty percent spike in high status
framing Ie reporters suddenly describing him as more influential and
politically relevant. Mainstream media thought they were tracking organic sentiment
(23:51):
on the right. In reality, it was reacting to manufactured
noise because he's so good at manipulating those numbers here.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
But what are we going to do about this in
terms of having any idea how big anybody is.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Well, according to the NCRI, the real issue issue isn't Fuentees.
It's the fact that our media and tech ecosystem can
no longer reliably distinguish organic influence from manufactured momentum. And
if one fringe figure can break through this easily, others
will follow.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Okay, so they're saying, you can't. There's nothing we can
do about this. It's going to be a mess. Everybody
will be guessing, we'll all be reacting.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
To We'll make up a name.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Mohammad McGillicutty.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I was going to go Goldberg.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I was going to go with Mohammed Goldberg will be
the biggest influencer in America in ten years, and we
won't have the slightest idea if he does have like
half a billion followers wordldwide or practically nobody and how
will be guessing everybody's talking about him, But it's all fake.
(24:58):
It's all everybody talking about him because we think everybody's
talking about him, which is the way.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
You know, a lot of stuff happens.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Right here's a crowd, like a crowd, it seems exactly.
It seems inexcusable for Elon and X not to compensate
for this astroturft amplification would certainly not be difficult to
downrank anonymous third world accounts that coordinate responses. Makes you
wonder how much of the entire woke right or woke
rich is astroturft, particularly the two most bats crazed of
(25:26):
the bunch, Carlson and Owens. That's his comment, not mine,
although I don't disagree much.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
My guess would be that again, just because Tucker had
twenty million viewers at one point, that he's astronomically bigger
than a Candace Owens.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Yeah, but how big that's you know, I don't know,
that's the question here. Eh, okay, but so, but so what, well,
what are you going to do with this information in
terms of figuring out who people are listening to or
whether or not it's worth commenting on someone.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
I mean, if there's a random.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Voice out there who actually only has twenty five thousand
people listening to them, there's no point in responding to
what they think at all. On the other hand, if
they have two and a half million people.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Like Mohammed Goldberg, Mohamed Goldberg, I probably should know weigh
in on what your refake. Historian they had on that
said Winston Churchill was the bad guy, right. Well, what's
interesting is a lot of this ecosystem doesn't care. They
just want jazzy conflict, heavy engagement or entertainment on their source.
(26:34):
So like, if I'm a lefty, I'm going crazy about
Nick Fuentes because my audience enjoys it. Not that there's
any need to. I mean, he's in the greater political ecosystem.
A guy like him is probably completely well insignificant. I
just I don't well, well, go ahead, you're about to
say what I was about to say.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I like to flatter.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Myself or us that we're engaged in the national conversation
about these things for real, and so that's why it
matters to me.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Well, yeah, that's why I get up in the morning.
I have no interest in being a dancing monkey. But
I'm not young, and I don't know what's it pay
being a dancing monkey. Well, I'm not a a young
would be influencer who sees, you know, gigantic dollar signs ahead,
and that's my priority. I I don't care at this point.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Well, these things have very long shelf lives. Well, Nick
Fancy's is in his twenties. Will he still be something
in his forties? Well, this candas own thing blow up,
like you know, she told the turning point anywhere anytime,
I'll debate you. And then they say, they said, how
about Tuesday at two? And she said, I'm busy. I mean,
is there an end to the road of these sorts
of things?
Speaker 2 (27:40):
That's a great question. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
It's all arisen so quickly. I suspect it'll go away
quickly too, for reasons I can't even guess how easy
come easy, go exactly here today, gone today.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
My guess would be there will be a new version
of canvas doing roughly the same thing.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
That everybody will move over there. Her audience will move
over there.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
When they yeah different issues different although it'll still be
what's wrong with the Jews, because that seems to be
a constant through human history.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Save your money, Candice, I don't see this as having
a long.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Shelf life, you know, for you jackasses who blame the
Jews for everything, and you are you were fools. I
read a great little list of the complaints about the
Jews in like the twentieth century, and I got to
see if I can dig it up. I didn't save it,
but it was essentially, it's not that I don't like Jews.
(28:33):
I don't like Marxists, and the Jews are Marxists, followed
quickly by it's not that I don't like Jews, it's
that I don't like what capitalists Jews are, because everybody
knows they're raving capitalists, followed by I don't mind the Jews,
so I'm not anti Jew. I just don't like them
colonizing because they're real colonizers. And then it just goes
(28:56):
it just it takes different forms over and over again.
I like, is it Peggy Noonan? She might have been
quoting somebody else, might have been been Lave. He's in
followed somebody who said, you can pretty reliably judge the
health of a civilization by how it treats the Jews.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Oh that was what's your name that just took over CBS.
Oh Barry Wise, Yeah, she's Jewish. Yeah, well, so where
do you what's your guess on like a Nick foint is?
Do you think he's much much smaller in reality than
being portrayed.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Oh gosh, it depends how he's being portrayed. Uhr, I don't.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I don't know. Honest.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
He portrayed as an influential voice in conservative politics, and
enough so, for instance, that the guy at Heritage stood
up for him, the biggest, most important, at least back
in the day conservative think tank in America was he
wasn't he he was standing up for Tucker in here
(30:01):
for Tucker having Nick?
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Oh right, all right, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. In
answer to your question about Nick, and this is a guess,
I don't know, because I'm not in that sub ecosystem.
But a lot of these people, if you ignored them,
they would just go away.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Yeah, it doesn't mean he's right, Roberts, the guy that
was leading Heritage Foundation. Doesn't mean that he was right,
but he was scared enough of the gropers Nick Fuente's
crowd that he, you know, soft pedaled the Nick's appearance
on Tucker.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Well, look what the critical theory, the postmodern neo Marxist accomplished,
especially post George Floyd. They and right now where they're
teaching your kids radical gender theory in schools instead of
teaching the math. A small group of dedicated extremists can
get a lot done.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah, the intensity of your listener slash viewers that I mean,
it works that way in radio too. Can have a
lot of people that kind of casually listen. Well, we have,
we have also we have a lot of people that
are really really into our show, and it helps with
the advertising. Either I'm guessing that the people there's a
certain number of Graper's out there, and I don't know
if it's a thousand or one hundred thousand.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
That are pretty serious about being into Nick. Flinty's my
final note on this. And folks have made this comment
or this point very eloquently. A lot of these guys
who are leading young men to bad places. It's not
that shocking because young men have been told over and
over again by the modern left that they're awful human beings,
that they're the problem, that they should be ashamed of
(31:35):
who they are, they should be ashamed of their masculinity,
and a lot of these people their first message is
I don't believe that.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I think you're just fine.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
I said that a couple of weeks ago and got
killed on Twitter. I don't know if you saw about
that as somebody who stood up for Nick Flints.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Well, if you can't grasp the subtlety of what's being said,
I don't know, maybe go look at a shiny object.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
We will finish strong.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Next, what's your last best joke?
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Jake Tapper corrected a mistake he made describing the jan
six pipe bomber as white when he was clearly black.
Insider say Tapper now must return all those Kwanza gifts
he got for Wolf Blitzer.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
All right, Yeah, so it was several months ago, is like,
right after I watched Nick Flentes on Tucker Carlson that
I said, I said one of the things that the
tolds that he that he gets is because white males,
straight white males are being blamed for everything all the time.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
And so you got somebody who's saying, I mean.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
It's the only group in America that can't say I
think it'd be better if there were more of us.
Every other group other than white straight males can say
I think it'd be better if there were more of us.
And Nick Flentes and Tucker and others, you know, tap
into that and you find a home there, even if
the other stuff is repulsive. That's all I said, just
like Joe said last break. So I had posted a
(33:09):
picture of my family out for a walk on Thanksgiving,
which of course is ripe for an angry attack that
sort of thing, a Thanksgiving family picture, and the guy
I'm lay togetherness. Yes, a guy responded with I love
the show and have been a faithful listener since the
late nineties. Jack is no longer an asset to the show.
He's no longer funny, can't seem to speak anymore, defends
(33:30):
Nick Fuintes and lays his wet comforter on his bed
to dry. The last one should have been a kid's
taken away activity that's actually kind of funny.
Speaker 6 (33:39):
I would agree with that defends Nick flint Is Again,
if you can't understand the difference, then to understand something
is not to endorse it.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
Checks Tim Stop, Jack.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
And Joe Live God Go and if they don't give
Kendale b beats Tom.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Here's your host for final thoughts, Joe Getty.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
I could write a seventy five page book without pausing
for lunch on why the Nazis took all to Germany.
That doesn't make me a Nazi Yamron's anyway.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Let's get a final thought from everybody on the crew
to wrap things up for the day. There is Michael Angelo.
Mike Call, what's your final thoughts?
Speaker 7 (34:21):
Okay, Christmas is basically two weeks away and Jack I
tried getting a stocking stuff for my wife and it
was not gonna arrive till December twenty second, So things
are getting tight now on.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Shipping boy yeah kaos in which the Armstrong and Getty store.
You can always just have a nice picture of what
your loved one is about to get under the tree.
I've resorted to that more than once, and my relationships
are still intact.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Katy Green, do you have a final thought for us.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
I do after listening to Nick Quente, is he just
sounds like a bitter kid that got rejected.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Yeah, right down, yep.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Jack.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Final thought for us when I.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Was perusing Twitter for a while over Thanksgiving, there is
more hate toward me about my whole wet Comforter story
than anything I think I've ever said.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
It's one of the strangest things I've ever heard. One
of that hate was me and Michael.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yeah. I already did my final thought.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
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There's some cool stuff there. Yeah, the whole picture of
what you're gonna get. I've used that before too. It's
a great effect. It's fine unless you're dealing with a
seven year old.
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