February 18, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of A&G features...
- 60 Minutes & "weaponizing free speech"
- More on the horrible 60 Minutes special
- JD Vance's "assault" on European democracy
- SNL anniversary show & the thumbs up emoji
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty arm Strong and Gatty
and he Armstrong and Yetty.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Germany is cracking down. We were with the German police
as they conducted early morning raids on citizens who had
been accused of hate speech, threats and inciting violence online.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
In the United States.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
A lot of people look at this and say, this
is restricting free speech.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
It's a threat to democracy.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Free speech meets boundaries.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Wow, and yeah, you throw in the German accent and
that's really something that's from that's from sixty minutes Sunday night,
coming on the heels of jd Vance giving Europe a
lecture about censorship and be an anti free speech over
the weekend.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
And as we will discuss, the sixty minutes report was gleefully, weirdly,
troublingly positive about the idea of restricting free speech if
it's the wrong speech. Made even more notable their awful
attitude by the fact that it occurred on the same
day as this clip Margaret Brennan talking to Marco Rubio on.
Speaker 6 (01:25):
Face the Nation, he was standing in a country where
free speech was weaponized to kentuct a genocide, and he
met with the head of a political party that has
far right views and some historic ties to extreme groups.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Margaret Brennan attempting to suggest that JD. Vance shouldn't have
advocated free speech because free speech is what led to
the genocide in Germany against the Jews, which is almost
hilariously idiotic and so wildly inaccurate. It's barely worth the
time to describe how incredibly inaccurate it was free speech
(02:05):
under Hitler. When was that exactly, asks every historian on Earth.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I know, I'm mister hyperbole, but I feel like that's
one of the craziest things I've ever heard. One of
the major Sunday Show anchors say it is Jada Advan Questionably,
Jade Evans was standing in Germany where the rise of
fascism having in a genocide and they weaponized free speech.
What are you talking about? Oh my god, Yeah, she's nuts.
(02:37):
I'm so lost on this. I don't understand their worldview.
I guess we'll learn more of this. Well I do.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
I can describe it to you exactly. It's the lust
for power. If you control speech, you control everything else.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
But how does that work in a democracy, don't you
The other side gets to do it too when they're
in charge. Again.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
I hate even going to that argument because then it
makes it a conditional thing. Well, for practical reasons, I
guess you're right. I won't limit free speech. I don't
even want to go there, right, It's horrific, horrific, and
how you get there in a democracy. The other thing
(03:18):
is you declare an emergency. Happens all the time both parties.
This is Trump's doing it right now, and I don't
approve of it. There are half a dozen different emergencies
he's declared which are highly questionable for the purpose of
gaining emergency powers. I hate it on both sides. We
need to stop anyway back to sixty minutes. Do you
want to ring lean our way through the cliffs? Doesn't
really matter. We can start with eighty Michael.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
It's six oh one on a Tuesday morning, and we
were with state police as they rated this apartment in
northwest Germany.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Just to put it inside them at the moment hum
of the.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Eden inside, six armed officers searched to suspects home, then
seized his laptop and sell phone. Prosecutors say those electronics
may have been used to commit a crime, the crime
posting a racist cartoon online at the exact same time
across Germany, it's.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
All the online as Unsas for Newborn hold.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
More than fifty similar raids played out, part of what
prosecutors say is a coordinated effort to curb online hate
speech in Germany.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
And the one guy points out, maybe it will be
in one of these clips, the seven thousand cases or
something that they investigated last year. Wow, that's a lot
in a country much smaller than the United States. Imagine
what that would look like in the United States. And
hate speech, of course, the one of the problems with
hate speech being who's determining its hate speech, who's making
(04:43):
the judgment on that? Yeah, Sharon Alfonsi very helpful.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
He just saved us the trouble and told us the
cartoon was racist, putting aside whether you know you should
limit free speech on the basis of quote unquote racism anyway,
but yeah, what did it say?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
In what sense? Was it racist? Who is it racist against?
Speaker 7 (04:58):
What?
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Give me the specific fixed you're asking for the right
to censor me, and you just say, take my word.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
It was terrible. This part is amazing.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Wasn't the typical reaction when the police show up at
somebody's door and they say, hey, we will leave.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
You wrote this on the internet, they say.
Speaker 8 (05:15):
In Germany, we say that's what my mos off, my zogenduff.
And so we here with crimes of talking posting an
internet and the people are surprised that this is really
illegal to post these kind of words.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
They don't think it was illegal. Oh, they don't think
it was illegal.
Speaker 8 (05:32):
And they say, no, that's my free speech, and we
say no, yeah, free speech as well, but it also
has limits.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I don't see. I don't, I can't. I've got to
accept that. It's just true that obviously, smart people in
charge of things can say words like that. How can
you sail it? Free speech has its limits, Well, then
it's not free speech. You just nullified the first part
of your sentence. What the second part of the sentence.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
Everybody understands that there are certain limits, but they are
extremely limited limits. The people like this just say, hey,
because there are limits, there there can be more limits,
and I will decide what limits there are.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Control your soul's desire for freedom. Yeah, that's which I respond. No,
you don't get to decided. No freaking way control your
soul's desire for freedom, they say in China. This part
amazed me. I was unaware of this.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
It's a legal to display Nazi symbolism, a swasika, deny
the Holocaust.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
That's that's clear.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Is it a crime to insult somebody in public? Yes, yes,
and it's a crime to insult them online as well.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
The fine could be even higher.
Speaker 8 (06:39):
Yeah, if you insult someone in the internet, why because
in Internet it stays there. If we are talking at
face to face, you insult me and sold you okay, finish.
But if you're in the internet, if I insult you
or a politician, that.
Speaker 9 (06:54):
Sticks around forever.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
So she says to these three people, it's a fine,
there's a fine two in if you insult someone, and
they'll just say yeah, like you know, of course what
and what defines an insult?
Speaker 5 (07:07):
And folks keep in mind, remember we're still in the
era certainly on university campuses and in government in some
other places where if you are insulted that's proof that
the other person is done wrong. You remember, I didn't
mean that to be racist. It doesn't matter what you meant,
it's how I received it, So you give the person
(07:29):
receiving it the carte blanche to declare whatever they want
to be insulting or hurtful, or racist or abusive, Islam
or whatever, and therefore that falls within.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Well, that's hate speech.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
Sorry, we're going to take away your right to say
any to make any criticism that anybody could even implausibly
claim is insulting.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
It's horrible.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
So somebody posts the Chancellor is a moron, I assume
that would be a crime. Maybe you didn't post it,
maybe you just did this.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
If somebody posts something that's not true and then somebody
else reposts it or likes it, are they committing a crime.
Speaker 8 (08:06):
In the case of reposting it as a crime as well,
because the reader contistinguished whether you just invented this or
just reposted it.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
That's the same for us.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
So when I was listening to that one, I was
thinking about it was an official Biden Harris campaign ad
that way we had playing in the United States. Donald
Trump threatens a bloodbath if he loses, which was absolutely
a lie in misinformation on the side that sixty Minutes
(08:37):
is on. Would you consider that a crime or only
when it's coming from the other side. See that's that's
where the rubber meets the road on this whole thing
and it gets, you know, unworkable.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
I happen to have a couple of articles, think pieces, etc.
That point out how incredibly one sided this is. It's
just a lust for power the other thing that really
and it's funny, we're talking about one of the most
fun ndamental human rights that any human beings ever enjoyed.
But you know what annoyed the crap out of me
was when they're and I'm not sure if we have
these clips, but they were talking about the fines, which
(09:09):
are fairly heavy. I mean it's thousands of dollars in
fines and multiple offenses can put you in jail. But
some people just have their phones and their laptops confiscated
for good.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
They don't get them back.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
And Cheryl Fonsi said, your phone, wow, because everything's on there.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
That is tough.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
And she was amused at the idea of these people
who indulged in what the Germans are calling hate speech
getting their devices taken away and not getting access to
them anymore.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
She thought that was funny, an insensitive joke. They come
and take your laptop and your phone and you don't
get it back, and to a certain crowd, that's awesome.
This story I found amusing, but it.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Was a twenty twenty one case involving a local politician
named Andy Grot that captured the country's attention. Grow complained
about a tweet that called him a pimmel, a German
word for the mail, anatomy that triggered a police rate
and accusations of excessive censorship by the government. As prosecutors
(10:09):
explain to us, in Germany, it's okay to debate politics online,
but it can be a crime to call anyone a pimle,
even a politician. So it sounds like you're saying it's
okay to criticize a politician's policy, but not to say
I think you're a jerk and idiot.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Exactly. Yeah, commen's like your son of a bitch. Excuse
me forward. This word has nothing to.
Speaker 8 (10:35):
Do with a political discussions or a contribution.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
To a discussion.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
But that's amazing.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
It's one of the great canards that sensors use. Here's
an example where I'm censoring something reasonably right, and then
you're supposed to extrapolate from there therefore, I trust you
to censor whenever you want. F you know, and you
are a piml a table full of pimbles, right.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
I kept thinking that as they used various examples. I thought, yeah,
it'd be nice if you could censor that and not
other stuff. But once you open the door, then you
start making choices, and who's making those choices? And he
gets out of hand really really fast.
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We'll have to play some more of this from the
sixty minutes when we come back, some more amazing stories.
But we all lived through this in the United States,
so we know how off track this can get so fast.
When it was basically against the rules to say, you know,
I think the virus probably came out of that lab,
you couldn't say it for a couple of years.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Yeah, or you would be punished, maybe not by law
enforce in the ways we're used to. But you would
be punished by proxy by the government.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
And CBS, it would seem, and many others. A lot
of college professors want it to be against the law
to post misinformation and again.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Misinformation like if you get the inoculation, you can still
get COVID and you can still spread it.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
That is dangerous misinformation. Wow, it's scary. One true, they're
so enthusiastic about it there in Germany, and then we
got and then CBS is enthusiastic about it too. That
is freaking frightening. We got a lot more on the way.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I can show your soul's desire for freedom.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
SNL fifty anniversary special that I watched the whole thing
on Sunday night. I was highly amused.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
I had to stop, like a lot of people after
an early sketch. I went back to it later, but
it was incredibly annoying.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I couldn't believe the star studded audience. Oh my god,
that was That was quite the collection of famous people
in one room. We're focusing a little bit on sixty
minutes from Sunday night because it was one of the
more astounding things I've ever seen and I've watched practically
every Sixty Minutes episode of the last forty years. That
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was just crazy CBS's enthusiasm for cracking down on free speech,
and they're sort of like portraying Germany's models. Isn't this
fantastic how they'll arrest you if you insult somebody, or
if you put a cartoon somebody doesn't like on the internet,
or if you engage in misinformation and disinformation.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
I would characterize it as sixty Minutes gets an enthusiastic
lesson from the Germans on how to crack down on
irresponsible speech.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
There's a little of German authorities laying out how it works.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Josephine Ballone is a CEO of Hate eight, a Berlin
based human rights organization that supports victims of online violence.
Speaker 9 (14:52):
In the United States.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
A lot of people look at this and say, this
is restricting free speech. It's a threat to democracy.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
Free speech needs boundaries, and in the case of Germany,
these boundaries are part of our constitution. Without boundaries, a
very small group of people can rely on endless freedom
to say anything that they want while everyone else is
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scared and intimidated.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
In your fears that if people are freely attacked online
that they'll withdraw from the discussion.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
This is not only a field, it's already taking place.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Already.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Half of the Internet users in Germany are afraid to
express their political opinion and they rarely participate in public
debates online anymore, half of the internet users.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I'm honest to god, I was listening to this in
my car. I had to pull over my car and
replay that. I was so amazed at what that woman
just said. So first of all, she says, without boundaries,
a small group of people could control the conversation, and
with boundaries, a small group of people controls the conversation.
(16:04):
And I mean, come on, obviously, And then she says, uh,
what did she say? It lit it on my mind
was the next thing she said. Damn it. I got
so worked up over the first part. How does she
not understand that, Yeah, a few people control the conversation.
Then you argue against them. So you're suggesting a small
group of people control the entire conversation.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
The second part was if you have there are people
out there that are intimidated to put things online because
somebody will say something mean to them. So you want
rules where everybody's intimidated to say what they think because
they'll Linda find her in jail. What are you talking about? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (16:43):
And just as an American the history of who gets
ruined and run out of their career and harassed and
docked because they made a politically incorrect comment many years ago.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, it cuts both ways, doesn't it. And then fine,
and then this little part here where this politician was
talking about how she had been in online or wronged
online and how she handled it, the little one ady
the b This court said, in case of.
Speaker 9 (17:11):
Public servants which have public offices and jobs, it's public
interest that their personal rights are protected, because otherwise no
one would go for these jobs. You know that wore
tom democracy.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
After all this, are you seeing less hateful comments now
on your social media feeds?
Speaker 9 (17:32):
Yes, there are less hateful comments. And there was one
tweet which says, don't say that to her, she will
take you to court.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
You might sue them.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I might sue them.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
And the cherway of Ponzi was just, oh, yes, you
might sue them. Isn't that great? Somebody said something negative
of you about you online and you'll sue them. That's fantastic. JD.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
Vance's fabulous speech in front of the Euros. In a
related story, stay with US Armstrong and Getty in Munich.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
This week, Vice President JD.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
Vance stunned America's European allies by saying it is their
governments and not Russia or China that represent the biggest
threat to security in the region.
Speaker 10 (18:15):
The threat that I worry the most about visa the
Europe is not Russia, it's not China, it's not any
other external actor. And what I worry about is the
threat from within the retreat of Europe from some of
its most fundamental values.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, we're going to get a little more of what
JD said in Europe, and he is talking about this
free speech stuff. We're talking a lot about it this
hour because it's well one, it's a really, really big deal,
and Joe and I are really into it. But I
continue to be shocked. We got a text from somebody
who said, yeah, I saw the promos for sixty minutes
and I just assumed they were going to take a
(18:53):
somewhat adversarial approach as a news outlet to what they're
doing in Germany. But no, they were cheerleaders for the
fact that Germany is censoring all kinds of speech, which
is interesting. But anyway to jd Vance's attack on Europe,
which the Europeans did not take well, specifically the Germans.
(19:13):
He gave the speech in Munich. This is from the
Financial Times. A prominent German politician told me that was
a direct assault on European democracy. The senior diplomat said,
it is very clear now Europe is alone. When I
ask him if he now regarded the US as an adversary,
he replied yes, the senior German diplomat Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
More analysis of the back and forth to come. But
let's get jd Vance in his own words. First ball,
flesh out the thing you already heard ninety two.
Speaker 10 (19:42):
Michael, The threat that I worry the most about visa
e Europe is not Russia, it's not China, it's not
any other external actor. And what I worry about is
the threat from within, the retreat of Europe from some
of its most fundamental values, values shared with the United
States of America.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Well, that just added one half a sentence. Sorry, next clip.
Speaker 10 (20:06):
And speaking up and expressing opinions isn't election interference, even
when people express views outside your own country, and even
when those people are very influential. And trust me, I
say this with all humor. If American democracy can survive
ten years of Thunberg scolding you guys can survive a
(20:27):
few months of Elon Musk. But what German democracy, what
no democracy, American, German or European will survive, is telling
millions of voters that their thoughts and concerns, their aspirations,
their pleas for relief are invalid or unworthy of even
being considered.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yet, I remember if he said it in a speech
or just an interviewed afterwards, the rise of some of
these parties on the right is because they're not getting
that their voice is not heard in any way.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
Right, Yeah, Indeed, that was the point I was going
to get to a little more of JD. If you
were afraid of the voices, the opinions, and the conscience
that guide your own people, then there's nothing America can
do for you. Among the problems he went on to
list where governments dismissing voters concerns, shutting down their media,
and violating the basic liberties of the religious and as
(21:21):
Jack points out, and I've said so many times, if
you either instill enough fear or you actually regulate it
to the point that your mainstream can't express what your
people are feeling. Parties are gonna rise up on the
far right or the far left. They're gonna express those feelings,
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and people who normally wouldn't be attracted to them are
gonna say, finally, that party speaks for me.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
I'm going with that party. Yeah, but they're neo Nazis.
I don't care.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
They're the first party that says what I feel. If
you want extremism, suppress people's speech, tell them what's not
accept to say. That's how you get That's how you
get extremism.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Well, to a certain extent. That's how Trump got elected.
I mean the people that vote for him despite you know,
the flaws that they don't like. It's like, uh, you
constantly see reality not being your reality, not being expressed
in mainstream media. It's very angry.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
So in response to what Vance just said and more
that we hadn't played, the German Defense Minister said that
Vance's words were quote not acceptable, which beautifully made Vance's point.
There was the VP of the United States arguing that
the Europeans had become far too comfortable telling people what
they could and could not say, and instead of developing
a counter theory, the first official the issue or a
(22:42):
joinder told him he shouldn't have said that. Thank you
for making my point for me, Hair official, Sir, unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
One of my favorite pundits said, in Europe, especially in Germany,
you have basically two choices. Either you agree with the
prevailing narrative on issues like COVID, climate, immigration, Trump, in
which case you are a responsible, kind, democratic and all
the other approving adjectives and everything is fine in your life.
Or you question or disagree with the direction on any
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of those things and think that your leaders might not
be getting it right, in which case you're a populist
or racist. You're uneducated, of course, you're far far right
or far right in you're a threat to the country
and your views need to be taken off the Internet
or shut down or find if you express them in public.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
So Marco Rubio was interviewed on Face the Nation by
the absolute idiot Margaret Brennan. That would get me a
jail time in Germany.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
For no, it's.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Astonishing her lack of wisdom. It's like a some girl
who was raised in the woods like Nellen doesn't have
the power of speech. She appears to be a normal intelligence,
but is so completely blind to the realities of the world.
She just doesn't make any sense. But she interviewed Marco
Rubio and I want to get to her most influenced
(24:04):
I'm sorry infamous in the idiotic clip. But first this
about the speech in general ninety four, I.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
Want to ask you about what happened in Munich, Germany.
At the Security conference, Vice President Vance gave a speech
and he told us allies that the threat he worries
about the most is not Russia, it is not China.
He called it the threat from within, and he lectured
about what he described as censorship, mainly focusing though on
(24:31):
including more views from the right. He also met with
the leader of a far right party known as the AfD, which,
as you know, is under investigation and monitoring by German
intelligence because of extremism.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
What did all of.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
This accomplish other than irritating our allies, Well, why would.
Speaker 11 (24:51):
Our allies there anybody be irritated by free speech and
by someone giving their opinion. We are, after all, democracies.
Thesic Munich Security Conference is largely a conference of democracies.
In which one of the things that we cherish in
value is the ability to speak feely and provide your opinions.
And so I think if anyone's angry about his word,
they don't have to agree with him, but to be
angry about it, I think actually makes this point.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
Whether it's the American left or you know, in the past,
the right, or the Europeans. It's like talking to somebody
who doesn't understands steam. There's a boiling pot and there's
steam pouring out of it, and they say, don't worry,
I'll take care of this steam. And they clamp the
lid down, and then they're astounded by what happens next.
(25:36):
Unbelievable lack of wisdom. And then Jack, unless you want
to jump in there, this which should go down and
broadcast in for me for the rest of time.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Yeah, I was just going to point out. Jonathan Turley
wrote a great column in The New York Post yesterday,
Vance rightly excoriates europe what values are we defending and
compared the speech to Reagan's mister Garbichev, tear down this
wall speech, and it's possible importance for the culture of
free speech and different points of view. But he also
(26:06):
what Bill Crystal of CNN, who used to be at
the Weekly Standard and his dad is one of the
fathers of conservativism or whatever, said said the speech was
a humiliation for the United States and a confirmation that
this administration isn't on the side of the democracies. Yeah, wow,
absolutely amazing.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
And Vance's greater point geo politically speaking, was that, hey, dudes,
you're not listening to your people.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
That steam is building up.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
It's expressing itself in whether the AfD in Germany or
whatever parties that you marine La penn in France in
ways that you don't like. So how about you let
people release that steam and you listen to your people.
Otherwise you are going to crumble and we will not
have you as allies anymore because you have crumbled.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
So it's a very very practical strategy.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
It's not just like he was making a rhetorical argument
because he likes to argue. He sees our allies falling apart.
And then this again, this moment. You know, if I
was going to limit free speech, I would revoke CBS's
license to broadcast based purely on the sheer stupidity of
clip ninety six.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
He was standing in a country where free speech was
weaponized to conduct a genocide, and he met with the
head of a political party that has far right views
and some historic ties to extreme groups. The context of
that was changing the tone of it.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
And you know that that.
Speaker 6 (27:38):
The censorship disagree with you specifically about the right.
Speaker 11 (27:41):
Now I have to disagree with you. The free speech
was not used to conduct a genocide. The genocide was
conducted by an authoritarian Nazi regime that happened to also
be genocidal because they hated Jews, and they hated minorities,
and they hated those that they had a list of
people they hated, but primarily the Jews. There was no
free speech in Nazi Germany.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
There was none.
Speaker 11 (27:59):
There was also no OP position in Nazi Germany. They
were a sole and only party that governed that country.
So that's not an accurate reflection of history.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
A phrase weaponized free speech is something well and tag
me Marco, I want to jump in here. Far from
being an example of free speech weaponized to conduct a genocide,
Germany under Hitler was engaged in precisely the sort of
democratic authoritarianism that Vance was condemning. It was exactly the
(28:30):
opposite of what the ninny Margaret Brennan suggested. He was
standing in a country where a free speech was weaponized
to commit a genocide. Good lord, what an ignoramus. Uh.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
What Jonathan Turley calls the haymaker from Vance's speech is
when he said, if you're running in fear of your
own voters, there's nothing American can do for you. Nor,
for the matter, is there anything you can do for
the American people that elected me and Donald Trump. If
you're running in fear from your own voters, there's nothing
(29:03):
America can do for you. And that's what they're doing
with the censorship. They don't like the point of view
of a big chunk of their countries, and so they're
trying to outlaw that point of view, which is not
going to work. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
Their inability to deal with steam, as I described it before,
is partly practical because the steam is rising because of
their policies, namely rampant immigration, open immigration from the Muslim
world especially, and also economic policies.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
But the other part of it is ideological.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
They are so intensely uncomfortable with the conversation about, Hey,
we've let all these people who do not share our values,
They do not share our culture. In fact, they despise
our culture, and they've been tasked with overturning it in
the name of Sharia, for instance.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
This is not good.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
They are so intensely uncomfortable with that for political correctness
reasons to use the cliched old phrase that they I
can't even permit it, and so they cheerfully inform a
cheerful share in ALPHONSI on CBS that, well, free speech
has its limits.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
We must we must correl.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
It, so nobody says anything rude and we will just
clamp that lid on and that'll get rid of the steam.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Well, good luck, And let me guess you could say
practically anything about people on the right and that wouldn't
be considered rude or an attack or anything like that.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
That just facts, just facts. Oh yeah, it's entirely one sided.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
That is really something. What a very very frightening weekend
from the standpoint of free speech.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
But you know, getting back to Reagan's mister Garbachev's speech,
I think Turley's not overstating how important it is to
go to their homes say that out loud in front
of the world. Y'all are committing suicide because you don't
listen to your people.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
If you had any comments on that, you could Our
text line is four one five two nine KFTC.
Speaker 7 (30:59):
Fun fact, a person born during the first season of
Saturday Night Live could today be easily dead of natural costume.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Now you're going to see a lot of familiar things.
Speaker 7 (31:15):
Tonight, musical guest sketches, cameo appearances, the news, and this
is the monologue, traditionally the weakest part of the show. Yes,
the monologue is like a rent controlled tenant.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
It's not going anywhere, even though it stinks. I thought
the Saturday A Live Show is really, really entertaining. I
really enjoyed it. I thought it was the opening. So
they opened with Paul Simon and a musical thing with
the hot it girl of the time, that Sabrina Carpenter
Werman who shows up everywhere. It's funny how the whole
it girl thing is is for real. Save your money, dear,
(31:51):
you can yet up kidding because there'll be another hot
young blonde come along. But I liked her line about
the famous Paul Simon George Harryson duet from way back
in the day, Like second season or something like that
on Sarah Life, and she said I wasn't even born
yet and neither were my parents. And I thought, holy crap,
that's true. Her parents weren't important yet. I thought the
(32:17):
big giant musical number at the end about New York
and everything with John Mulaney as an area, I thought, Wow,
that was some art. That was some amazing stuff there,
just really really cool.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
I was shocked if you didn't see at the extent
to which it was new comedy. Yeah, with just zillions
of I assumed they'd be a flashback show, and it
had some, but it was mostly newly produced stuff and
a lot of it was really good. A lot of
it was not, but that's the nature of you know,
that sketch comedy. Yeah, that was a lot of the
more famous sketches, like the the being abducted by alien
(32:47):
stuff and just you know. Anyway, they displayed Kneed Meryl
Streep as guests star.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yeah, pretty funny. I thought, Eddie Murphy doing Tracy Morgan's
standing next to Tracy Morgan was pretty dang hilarious. Yes,
that was very funny. And Ken Topson say you too,
you could be related, and Tracy Morgan says, I don't
see it. Oh, I left so hard at that show.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
Let me acknowledge briefly the infamous Dug thing where the
punchline of the black Jeopardy sketch was that a Trump
supporter is such as stupid racist he won't even shake
the hand of a black man, right, at which I
turned it.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Off for a while. I was like, no, sorry, you
don't want me okay, bye. So a different topic here
came across this on the NPR feed. So I don't
use emojis, but the rest of you people do for
some reason. And apparently if you do a thumbs up,
there are six different skin colors you can choose for
(33:47):
the thumbs up. There used to just be yellow, but
now there's yellow, I don't know, slightly, tan, more tan,
even more tan, Brown, and black are your choices, and
it's like a paint chip. You get a thrd worse store.
And NPR had an article which I didn't click on
and read that said some white people may choose the
(34:08):
yellow thumbs up because it feels neutral, but academics argue
opting out of the actual white guy thumb I guess
signals a lack of awareness about white privilege, akin to
society associating whiteness with being raceless. So it's kind of
the whole anti racist thing. If you choose the yellow
guy thumbs up, it is a racist move because you're
(34:31):
claiming there's a neutral or something. I don't know what
it was, but I just found that quite hilarious.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
And everything is based on race all the time, so
you need to pick an accurate skin tone and then
acknowledge your white thumbs up supremacy. You know what, you people,
you had your day and you're still having it in
government to some extent and on campuses. But we're coming
for you.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
We had this story a couple of weeks ago. It's obvious,
but I hadn't thought about it before. But now I
think about it every time I hear academics say or
experts say. I got to remember that academics and experts
are like, depending on the uh, what their expertise is,
one hundred percent of them are progressives. Sometimes it gets
(35:12):
down to as few as ninety eight percent of them
are progressives. But so if you go to experts, they're
all on one side. So of course the experts say this, yeah, yeah,
just remember this.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
If an expert's quoted. There's a good chance that is
a professor. Professors are the media's favorite experts, and if
it's a professor, it's going to be a progressive person
almost always.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
So yeah, you're incredibly one side. Experts think this is dangerous. Okay,
so you ask progressives and nobody else. But that's hilarious.
You're showing your white privilege if you don't, if you
if you use the yellow thumbs up. So think think
about that throughout the day. I just like the Simpsons.
You evil be funny, racist bastard. N PR has that
(35:55):
been defunded yet? Please not yet Doje's working on it.
We got a lot more on the way and some
of the news of the day. They're meeting in Saudi
Arabia right now about trying to wind down the war
in Ukraine, among other things. Armstrong and Getty
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty arm Strong and Gatty
and he Armstrong and Yetty.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Germany is cracking down. We were with the German police
as they conducted early morning raids on citizens who had
been accused of hate speech, threats and inciting violence online.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
In the United States.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
A lot of people look at this and say, this
is restricting free speech.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
It's a threat to democracy.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Free speech meets boundaries.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Wow, and yeah, you throw in the German accent and
that's really something that's from that's from sixty minutes Sunday night,
coming on the heels of jd Vance giving Europe a
lecture about censorship and be an anti free speech over
the weekend.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
And as we will discuss, the sixty minutes report was gleefully, weirdly,
troublingly positive about the idea of restricting free speech if
it's the wrong speech. Made even more notable their awful
attitude by the fact that it occurred on the same
day as this clip Margaret Brennan talking to Marco Rubio on.
Speaker 6 (01:25):
Face the Nation, he was standing in a country where
free speech was weaponized to kentuct a genocide, and he
met with the head of a political party that has
far right views and some historic ties to extreme groups.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Margaret Brennan attempting to suggest that JD. Vance shouldn't have
advocated free speech because free speech is what led to
the genocide in Germany against the Jews, which is almost
hilariously idiotic and so wildly inaccurate. It's barely worth the
time to describe how incredibly inaccurate it was free speech
(02:05):
under Hitler. When was that exactly, asks every historian on Earth.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I know, I'm mister hyperbole, but I feel like that's
one of the craziest things I've ever heard. One of
the major Sunday Show anchors say it is Jada Advan Questionably,
Jade Evans was standing in Germany where the rise of
fascism having in a genocide and they weaponized free speech.
What are you talking about? Oh my god, Yeah, she's nuts.
(02:37):
I'm so lost on this. I don't understand their worldview.
I guess we'll learn more of this. Well I do.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
I can describe it to you exactly. It's the lust
for power. If you control speech, you control everything else.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
But how does that work in a democracy, don't you
The other side gets to do it too when they're
in charge. Again.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
I hate even going to that argument because then it
makes it a conditional thing. Well, for practical reasons, I
guess you're right. I won't limit free speech. I don't
even want to go there, right, It's horrific, horrific, and
how you get there in a democracy. The other thing
(03:18):
is you declare an emergency. Happens all the time both parties.
This is Trump's doing it right now, and I don't
approve of it. There are half a dozen different emergencies
he's declared which are highly questionable for the purpose of
gaining emergency powers. I hate it on both sides. We
need to stop anyway back to sixty minutes. Do you
want to ring lean our way through the cliffs? Doesn't
really matter. We can start with eighty Michael.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
It's six oh one on a Tuesday morning, and we
were with state police as they rated this apartment in
northwest Germany.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Just to put it inside them at the moment hum
of the.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Eden inside, six armed officers searched to suspects home, then
seized his laptop and sell phone. Prosecutors say those electronics
may have been used to commit a crime, the crime
posting a racist cartoon online at the exact same time
across Germany, it's.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
All the online as Unsas for Newborn hold.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
More than fifty similar raids played out, part of what
prosecutors say is a coordinated effort to curb online hate
speech in Germany.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
And the one guy points out, maybe it will be
in one of these clips, the seven thousand cases or
something that they investigated last year. Wow, that's a lot
in a country much smaller than the United States. Imagine
what that would look like in the United States. And
hate speech, of course, the one of the problems with
hate speech being who's determining its hate speech, who's making
(04:43):
the judgment on that? Yeah, Sharon Alfonsi very helpful.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
He just saved us the trouble and told us the
cartoon was racist, putting aside whether you know you should
limit free speech on the basis of quote unquote racism anyway,
but yeah, what did it say?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
In what sense? Was it racist? Who is it racist against?
Speaker 7 (04:58):
What?
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Give me the specific fixed you're asking for the right
to censor me, and you just say, take my word.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
It was terrible. This part is amazing.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Wasn't the typical reaction when the police show up at
somebody's door and they say, hey, we will leave.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
You wrote this on the internet, they say.
Speaker 8 (05:15):
In Germany, we say that's what my mos off, my zogenduff.
And so we here with crimes of talking posting an
internet and the people are surprised that this is really
illegal to post these kind of words.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
They don't think it was illegal. Oh, they don't think
it was illegal.
Speaker 8 (05:32):
And they say, no, that's my free speech, and we
say no, yeah, free speech as well, but it also
has limits.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I don't see. I don't, I can't. I've got to
accept that. It's just true that obviously, smart people in
charge of things can say words like that. How can
you sail it? Free speech has its limits, Well, then
it's not free speech. You just nullified the first part
of your sentence. What the second part of the sentence.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
Everybody understands that there are certain limits, but they are
extremely limited limits. The people like this just say, hey,
because there are limits, there there can be more limits,
and I will decide what limits there are.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Control your soul's desire for freedom. Yeah, that's which I respond. No,
you don't get to decided. No freaking way control your
soul's desire for freedom, they say in China. This part
amazed me. I was unaware of this.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
It's a legal to display Nazi symbolism, a swasika, deny
the Holocaust.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
That's that's clear.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Is it a crime to insult somebody in public? Yes, yes,
and it's a crime to insult them online as well.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
The fine could be even higher.
Speaker 8 (06:39):
Yeah, if you insult someone in the internet, why because
in Internet it stays there. If we are talking at
face to face, you insult me and sold you okay, finish.
But if you're in the internet, if I insult you
or a politician, that.
Speaker 9 (06:54):
Sticks around forever.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
So she says to these three people, it's a fine,
there's a fine two in if you insult someone, and
they'll just say yeah, like you know, of course what
and what defines an insult?
Speaker 5 (07:07):
And folks keep in mind, remember we're still in the
era certainly on university campuses and in government in some
other places where if you are insulted that's proof that
the other person is done wrong. You remember, I didn't
mean that to be racist. It doesn't matter what you meant,
it's how I received it, So you give the person
(07:29):
receiving it the carte blanche to declare whatever they want
to be insulting or hurtful, or racist or abusive, Islam
or whatever, and therefore that falls within.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Well, that's hate speech.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
Sorry, we're going to take away your right to say
any to make any criticism that anybody could even implausibly
claim is insulting.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
It's horrible.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
So somebody posts the Chancellor is a moron, I assume
that would be a crime. Maybe you didn't post it,
maybe you just did this.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
If somebody posts something that's not true and then somebody
else reposts it or likes it, are they committing a crime.
Speaker 8 (08:06):
In the case of reposting it as a crime as well,
because the reader contistinguished whether you just invented this or
just reposted it.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
That's the same for us.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
So when I was listening to that one, I was
thinking about it was an official Biden Harris campaign ad
that way we had playing in the United States. Donald
Trump threatens a bloodbath if he loses, which was absolutely
a lie in misinformation on the side that sixty Minutes
(08:37):
is on. Would you consider that a crime or only
when it's coming from the other side. See that's that's
where the rubber meets the road on this whole thing
and it gets, you know, unworkable.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
I happen to have a couple of articles, think pieces, etc.
That point out how incredibly one sided this is. It's
just a lust for power the other thing that really
and it's funny, we're talking about one of the most
fun ndamental human rights that any human beings ever enjoyed.
But you know what annoyed the crap out of me
was when they're and I'm not sure if we have
these clips, but they were talking about the fines, which
(09:09):
are fairly heavy. I mean it's thousands of dollars in
fines and multiple offenses can put you in jail. But
some people just have their phones and their laptops confiscated
for good.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
They don't get them back.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
And Cheryl Fonsi said, your phone, wow, because everything's on there.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
That is tough.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
And she was amused at the idea of these people
who indulged in what the Germans are calling hate speech
getting their devices taken away and not getting access to
them anymore.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
She thought that was funny, an insensitive joke. They come
and take your laptop and your phone and you don't
get it back, and to a certain crowd, that's awesome.
This story I found amusing, but it.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Was a twenty twenty one case involving a local politician
named Andy Grot that captured the country's attention. Grow complained
about a tweet that called him a pimmel, a German
word for the mail, anatomy that triggered a police rate
and accusations of excessive censorship by the government. As prosecutors
(10:09):
explain to us, in Germany, it's okay to debate politics online,
but it can be a crime to call anyone a pimle,
even a politician. So it sounds like you're saying it's
okay to criticize a politician's policy, but not to say
I think you're a jerk and idiot.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Exactly. Yeah, commen's like your son of a bitch. Excuse
me forward. This word has nothing to.
Speaker 8 (10:35):
Do with a political discussions or a contribution.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
To a discussion.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
But that's amazing.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
It's one of the great canards that sensors use. Here's
an example where I'm censoring something reasonably right, and then
you're supposed to extrapolate from there therefore, I trust you
to censor whenever you want. F you know, and you
are a piml a table full of pimbles, right.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
I kept thinking that as they used various examples. I thought, yeah,
it'd be nice if you could censor that and not
other stuff. But once you open the door, then you
start making choices, and who's making those choices? And he
gets out of hand really really fast.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
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We'll have to play some more of this from the
sixty minutes when we come back, some more amazing stories.
But we all lived through this in the United States,
so we know how off track this can get so fast.
When it was basically against the rules to say, you know,
I think the virus probably came out of that lab,
you couldn't say it for a couple of years.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Yeah, or you would be punished, maybe not by law
enforce in the ways we're used to. But you would
be punished by proxy by the government.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
And CBS, it would seem, and many others. A lot
of college professors want it to be against the law
to post misinformation and again.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Misinformation like if you get the inoculation, you can still
get COVID and you can still spread it.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
That is dangerous misinformation. Wow, it's scary. One true, they're
so enthusiastic about it there in Germany, and then we
got and then CBS is enthusiastic about it too. That
is freaking frightening. We got a lot more on the way.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I can show your soul's desire for freedom.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
SNL fifty anniversary special that I watched the whole thing
on Sunday night. I was highly amused.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
I had to stop, like a lot of people after
an early sketch. I went back to it later, but
it was incredibly annoying.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I couldn't believe the star studded audience. Oh my god,
that was That was quite the collection of famous people
in one room. We're focusing a little bit on sixty
minutes from Sunday night because it was one of the
more astounding things I've ever seen and I've watched practically
every Sixty Minutes episode of the last forty years. That
(14:14):
was just crazy CBS's enthusiasm for cracking down on free speech,
and they're sort of like portraying Germany's models. Isn't this
fantastic how they'll arrest you if you insult somebody, or
if you put a cartoon somebody doesn't like on the internet,
or if you engage in misinformation and disinformation.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
I would characterize it as sixty Minutes gets an enthusiastic
lesson from the Germans on how to crack down on
irresponsible speech.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
There's a little of German authorities laying out how it works.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Josephine Ballone is a CEO of Hate eight, a Berlin
based human rights organization that supports victims of online violence.
Speaker 9 (14:52):
In the United States.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
A lot of people look at this and say, this
is restricting free speech. It's a threat to democracy.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
Free speech needs boundaries, and in the case of Germany,
these boundaries are part of our constitution. Without boundaries, a
very small group of people can rely on endless freedom
to say anything that they want while everyone else is
(15:19):
scared and intimidated.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
In your fears that if people are freely attacked online
that they'll withdraw from the discussion.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
This is not only a field, it's already taking place.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Already.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Half of the Internet users in Germany are afraid to
express their political opinion and they rarely participate in public
debates online anymore, half of the internet users.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I'm honest to god, I was listening to this in
my car. I had to pull over my car and
replay that. I was so amazed at what that woman
just said. So first of all, she says, without boundaries,
a small group of people could control the conversation, and
with boundaries, a small group of people controls the conversation.
(16:04):
And I mean, come on, obviously, And then she says, uh,
what did she say? It lit it on my mind
was the next thing she said. Damn it. I got
so worked up over the first part. How does she
not understand that, Yeah, a few people control the conversation.
Then you argue against them. So you're suggesting a small
group of people control the entire conversation.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
The second part was if you have there are people
out there that are intimidated to put things online because
somebody will say something mean to them. So you want
rules where everybody's intimidated to say what they think because
they'll Linda find her in jail. What are you talking about? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (16:43):
And just as an American the history of who gets
ruined and run out of their career and harassed and
docked because they made a politically incorrect comment many years ago.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, it cuts both ways, doesn't it. And then fine,
and then this little part here where this politician was
talking about how she had been in online or wronged
online and how she handled it, the little one ady
the b This court said, in case of.
Speaker 9 (17:11):
Public servants which have public offices and jobs, it's public
interest that their personal rights are protected, because otherwise no
one would go for these jobs. You know that wore
tom democracy.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
After all this, are you seeing less hateful comments now
on your social media feeds?
Speaker 9 (17:32):
Yes, there are less hateful comments. And there was one
tweet which says, don't say that to her, she will
take you to court.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
You might sue them.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I might sue them.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
And the cherway of Ponzi was just, oh, yes, you
might sue them. Isn't that great? Somebody said something negative
of you about you online and you'll sue them. That's fantastic. JD.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
Vance's fabulous speech in front of the Euros. In a
related story, stay with US Armstrong and Getty in Munich.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
This week, Vice President JD.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
Vance stunned America's European allies by saying it is their
governments and not Russia or China that represent the biggest
threat to security in the region.
Speaker 10 (18:15):
The threat that I worry the most about visa the
Europe is not Russia, it's not China, it's not any
other external actor. And what I worry about is the
threat from within the retreat of Europe from some of
its most fundamental values.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, we're going to get a little more of what
JD said in Europe, and he is talking about this
free speech stuff. We're talking a lot about it this
hour because it's well one, it's a really, really big deal,
and Joe and I are really into it. But I
continue to be shocked. We got a text from somebody
who said, yeah, I saw the promos for sixty minutes
and I just assumed they were going to take a
(18:53):
somewhat adversarial approach as a news outlet to what they're
doing in Germany. But no, they were cheerleaders for the
fact that Germany is censoring all kinds of speech, which
is interesting. But anyway to jd Vance's attack on Europe,
which the Europeans did not take well, specifically the Germans.
(19:13):
He gave the speech in Munich. This is from the
Financial Times. A prominent German politician told me that was
a direct assault on European democracy. The senior diplomat said,
it is very clear now Europe is alone. When I
ask him if he now regarded the US as an adversary,
he replied yes, the senior German diplomat Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
More analysis of the back and forth to come. But
let's get jd Vance in his own words. First ball,
flesh out the thing you already heard ninety two.
Speaker 10 (19:42):
Michael, The threat that I worry the most about visa
e Europe is not Russia, it's not China, it's not
any other external actor. And what I worry about is
the threat from within, the retreat of Europe from some
of its most fundamental values, values shared with the United
States of America.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Well, that just added one half a sentence. Sorry, next clip.
Speaker 10 (20:06):
And speaking up and expressing opinions isn't election interference, even
when people express views outside your own country, and even
when those people are very influential. And trust me, I
say this with all humor. If American democracy can survive
ten years of Thunberg scolding you guys can survive a
(20:27):
few months of Elon Musk. But what German democracy, what
no democracy, American, German or European will survive, is telling
millions of voters that their thoughts and concerns, their aspirations,
their pleas for relief are invalid or unworthy of even
being considered.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yet, I remember if he said it in a speech
or just an interviewed afterwards, the rise of some of
these parties on the right is because they're not getting
that their voice is not heard in any way.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
Right, Yeah, Indeed, that was the point I was going
to get to a little more of JD. If you
were afraid of the voices, the opinions, and the conscience
that guide your own people, then there's nothing America can
do for you. Among the problems he went on to
list where governments dismissing voters concerns, shutting down their media,
and violating the basic liberties of the religious and as
(21:21):
Jack points out, and I've said so many times, if
you either instill enough fear or you actually regulate it
to the point that your mainstream can't express what your
people are feeling. Parties are gonna rise up on the
far right or the far left. They're gonna express those feelings,
(21:42):
and people who normally wouldn't be attracted to them are
gonna say, finally, that party speaks for me.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
I'm going with that party. Yeah, but they're neo Nazis.
I don't care.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
They're the first party that says what I feel. If
you want extremism, suppress people's speech, tell them what's not
accept to say. That's how you get That's how you
get extremism.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Well, to a certain extent. That's how Trump got elected.
I mean the people that vote for him despite you know,
the flaws that they don't like. It's like, uh, you
constantly see reality not being your reality, not being expressed
in mainstream media. It's very angry.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
So in response to what Vance just said and more
that we hadn't played, the German Defense Minister said that
Vance's words were quote not acceptable, which beautifully made Vance's point.
There was the VP of the United States arguing that
the Europeans had become far too comfortable telling people what
they could and could not say, and instead of developing
a counter theory, the first official the issue or a
(22:42):
joinder told him he shouldn't have said that. Thank you
for making my point for me, Hair official, Sir, unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
One of my favorite pundits said, in Europe, especially in Germany,
you have basically two choices. Either you agree with the
prevailing narrative on issues like COVID, climate, immigration, Trump, in
which case you are a responsible, kind, democratic and all
the other approving adjectives and everything is fine in your life.
Or you question or disagree with the direction on any
(23:12):
of those things and think that your leaders might not
be getting it right, in which case you're a populist
or racist. You're uneducated, of course, you're far far right
or far right in you're a threat to the country
and your views need to be taken off the Internet
or shut down or find if you express them in public.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
So Marco Rubio was interviewed on Face the Nation by
the absolute idiot Margaret Brennan. That would get me a
jail time in Germany.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
For no, it's.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Astonishing her lack of wisdom. It's like a some girl
who was raised in the woods like Nellen doesn't have
the power of speech. She appears to be a normal intelligence,
but is so completely blind to the realities of the world.
She just doesn't make any sense. But she interviewed Marco
Rubio and I want to get to her most influenced
(24:04):
I'm sorry infamous in the idiotic clip. But first this
about the speech in general ninety four, I.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
Want to ask you about what happened in Munich, Germany.
At the Security conference, Vice President Vance gave a speech
and he told us allies that the threat he worries
about the most is not Russia, it is not China.
He called it the threat from within, and he lectured
about what he described as censorship, mainly focusing though on
(24:31):
including more views from the right. He also met with
the leader of a far right party known as the AfD, which,
as you know, is under investigation and monitoring by German
intelligence because of extremism.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
What did all of.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
This accomplish other than irritating our allies, Well, why would.
Speaker 11 (24:51):
Our allies there anybody be irritated by free speech and
by someone giving their opinion. We are, after all, democracies.
Thesic Munich Security Conference is largely a conference of democracies.
In which one of the things that we cherish in
value is the ability to speak feely and provide your opinions.
And so I think if anyone's angry about his word,
they don't have to agree with him, but to be
angry about it, I think actually makes this point.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
Whether it's the American left or you know, in the past,
the right, or the Europeans. It's like talking to somebody
who doesn't understands steam. There's a boiling pot and there's
steam pouring out of it, and they say, don't worry,
I'll take care of this steam. And they clamp the
lid down, and then they're astounded by what happens next.
(25:36):
Unbelievable lack of wisdom. And then Jack, unless you want
to jump in there, this which should go down and
broadcast in for me for the rest of time.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Yeah, I was just going to point out. Jonathan Turley
wrote a great column in The New York Post yesterday,
Vance rightly excoriates europe what values are we defending and
compared the speech to Reagan's mister Garbichev, tear down this
wall speech, and it's possible importance for the culture of
free speech and different points of view. But he also
(26:06):
what Bill Crystal of CNN, who used to be at
the Weekly Standard and his dad is one of the
fathers of conservativism or whatever, said said the speech was
a humiliation for the United States and a confirmation that
this administration isn't on the side of the democracies. Yeah, wow,
absolutely amazing.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
And Vance's greater point geo politically speaking, was that, hey, dudes,
you're not listening to your people.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
That steam is building up.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
It's expressing itself in whether the AfD in Germany or
whatever parties that you marine La penn in France in
ways that you don't like. So how about you let
people release that steam and you listen to your people.
Otherwise you are going to crumble and we will not
have you as allies anymore because you have crumbled.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
So it's a very very practical strategy.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
It's not just like he was making a rhetorical argument
because he likes to argue. He sees our allies falling apart.
And then this again, this moment. You know, if I
was going to limit free speech, I would revoke CBS's
license to broadcast based purely on the sheer stupidity of
clip ninety six.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
He was standing in a country where free speech was
weaponized to conduct a genocide, and he met with the
head of a political party that has far right views
and some historic ties to extreme groups. The context of
that was changing the tone of it.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
And you know that that.
Speaker 6 (27:38):
The censorship disagree with you specifically about the right.
Speaker 11 (27:41):
Now I have to disagree with you. The free speech
was not used to conduct a genocide. The genocide was
conducted by an authoritarian Nazi regime that happened to also
be genocidal because they hated Jews, and they hated minorities,
and they hated those that they had a list of
people they hated, but primarily the Jews. There was no
free speech in Nazi Germany.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
There was none.
Speaker 11 (27:59):
There was also no OP position in Nazi Germany. They
were a sole and only party that governed that country.
So that's not an accurate reflection of history.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
A phrase weaponized free speech is something well and tag
me Marco, I want to jump in here. Far from
being an example of free speech weaponized to conduct a genocide,
Germany under Hitler was engaged in precisely the sort of
democratic authoritarianism that Vance was condemning. It was exactly the
(28:30):
opposite of what the ninny Margaret Brennan suggested. He was
standing in a country where a free speech was weaponized
to commit a genocide. Good lord, what an ignoramus. Uh.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
What Jonathan Turley calls the haymaker from Vance's speech is
when he said, if you're running in fear of your
own voters, there's nothing American can do for you. Nor,
for the matter, is there anything you can do for
the American people that elected me and Donald Trump. If
you're running in fear from your own voters, there's nothing
(29:03):
America can do for you. And that's what they're doing
with the censorship. They don't like the point of view
of a big chunk of their countries, and so they're
trying to outlaw that point of view, which is not
going to work. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
Their inability to deal with steam, as I described it before,
is partly practical because the steam is rising because of
their policies, namely rampant immigration, open immigration from the Muslim
world especially, and also economic policies.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
But the other part of it is ideological.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
They are so intensely uncomfortable with the conversation about, Hey,
we've let all these people who do not share our values,
They do not share our culture. In fact, they despise
our culture, and they've been tasked with overturning it in
the name of Sharia, for instance.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
This is not good.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
They are so intensely uncomfortable with that for political correctness
reasons to use the cliched old phrase that they I
can't even permit it, and so they cheerfully inform a
cheerful share in ALPHONSI on CBS that, well, free speech
has its limits.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
We must we must correl.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
It, so nobody says anything rude and we will just
clamp that lid on and that'll get rid of the steam.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Well, good luck, And let me guess you could say
practically anything about people on the right and that wouldn't
be considered rude or an attack or anything like that.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
That just facts, just facts. Oh yeah, it's entirely one sided.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
That is really something. What a very very frightening weekend
from the standpoint of free speech.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
But you know, getting back to Reagan's mister Garbachev's speech,
I think Turley's not overstating how important it is to
go to their homes say that out loud in front
of the world. Y'all are committing suicide because you don't
listen to your people.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
If you had any comments on that, you could Our
text line is four one five two nine KFTC.
Speaker 7 (30:59):
Fun fact, a person born during the first season of
Saturday Night Live could today be easily dead of natural costume.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Now you're going to see a lot of familiar things.
Speaker 7 (31:15):
Tonight, musical guest sketches, cameo appearances, the news, and this
is the monologue, traditionally the weakest part of the show. Yes,
the monologue is like a rent controlled tenant.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
It's not going anywhere, even though it stinks. I thought
the Saturday A Live Show is really, really entertaining. I
really enjoyed it. I thought it was the opening. So
they opened with Paul Simon and a musical thing with
the hot it girl of the time, that Sabrina Carpenter
Werman who shows up everywhere. It's funny how the whole
it girl thing is is for real. Save your money, dear,
(31:51):
you can yet up kidding because there'll be another hot
young blonde come along. But I liked her line about
the famous Paul Simon George Harryson duet from way back
in the day, Like second season or something like that
on Sarah Life, and she said I wasn't even born
yet and neither were my parents. And I thought, holy crap,
that's true. Her parents weren't important yet. I thought the
(32:17):
big giant musical number at the end about New York
and everything with John Mulaney as an area, I thought, Wow,
that was some art. That was some amazing stuff there,
just really really cool.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
I was shocked if you didn't see at the extent
to which it was new comedy. Yeah, with just zillions
of I assumed they'd be a flashback show, and it
had some, but it was mostly newly produced stuff and
a lot of it was really good. A lot of
it was not, but that's the nature of you know,
that sketch comedy. Yeah, that was a lot of the
more famous sketches, like the the being abducted by alien
(32:47):
stuff and just you know. Anyway, they displayed Kneed Meryl
Streep as guests star.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yeah, pretty funny. I thought, Eddie Murphy doing Tracy Morgan's
standing next to Tracy Morgan was pretty dang hilarious. Yes,
that was very funny. And Ken Topson say you too,
you could be related, and Tracy Morgan says, I don't
see it. Oh, I left so hard at that show.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
Let me acknowledge briefly the infamous Dug thing where the
punchline of the black Jeopardy sketch was that a Trump
supporter is such as stupid racist he won't even shake
the hand of a black man, right, at which I
turned it.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Off for a while. I was like, no, sorry, you
don't want me okay, bye. So a different topic here
came across this on the NPR feed. So I don't
use emojis, but the rest of you people do for
some reason. And apparently if you do a thumbs up,
there are six different skin colors you can choose for
(33:47):
the thumbs up. There used to just be yellow, but
now there's yellow, I don't know, slightly, tan, more tan,
even more tan, Brown, and black are your choices, and
it's like a paint chip. You get a thrd worse store.
And NPR had an article which I didn't click on
and read that said some white people may choose the
(34:08):
yellow thumbs up because it feels neutral, but academics argue
opting out of the actual white guy thumb I guess
signals a lack of awareness about white privilege, akin to
society associating whiteness with being raceless. So it's kind of
the whole anti racist thing. If you choose the yellow
guy thumbs up, it is a racist move because you're
(34:31):
claiming there's a neutral or something. I don't know what
it was, but I just found that quite hilarious.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
And everything is based on race all the time, so
you need to pick an accurate skin tone and then
acknowledge your white thumbs up supremacy. You know what, you people,
you had your day and you're still having it in
government to some extent and on campuses. But we're coming
for you.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
We had this story a couple of weeks ago. It's obvious,
but I hadn't thought about it before. But now I
think about it every time I hear academics say or
experts say. I got to remember that academics and experts
are like, depending on the uh, what their expertise is,
one hundred percent of them are progressives. Sometimes it gets
(35:12):
down to as few as ninety eight percent of them
are progressives. But so if you go to experts, they're
all on one side. So of course the experts say this, yeah, yeah,
just remember this.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
If an expert's quoted. There's a good chance that is
a professor. Professors are the media's favorite experts, and if
it's a professor, it's going to be a progressive person
almost always.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
So yeah, you're incredibly one side. Experts think this is dangerous. Okay,
so you ask progressives and nobody else. But that's hilarious.
You're showing your white privilege if you don't, if you
if you use the yellow thumbs up. So think think
about that throughout the day. I just like the Simpsons.
You evil be funny, racist bastard. N PR has that
(35:55):
been defunded yet? Please not yet Doje's working on it.
We got a lot more on the way and some
of the news of the day. They're meeting in Saudi
Arabia right now about trying to wind down the war
in Ukraine, among other things. Armstrong and Getty
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