June 19, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of A&G features...
- Tucker Carlson/Ted Cruz interview
- Crowded tourism, cereal & down syndrome
- Supreme Court ruling on Trans ban & giraffe blood
- Jaws turns 50 & Juneteenth
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe, Ketty Armstrong and Jetty
and no He Armstrong and Yetty.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Arnold Schwarzenegger appeared on the View this week. Arnold told
the host that when you come.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
To America, you're a guest.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
You have a responsibility as an immigrant to give back.
This is also what he told the maid that he
knocked up from Guatemala.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Wow, ain't got a baby? Wow, you idiot.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
You're here from another country. You have a responsibility to
give back, so turn around.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Wow Wow, No crude, I don't approve. I just avow.
I just avow.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
But I hope you'll live in a room for my
fist because I'm going.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
To ram it indio Sama.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
They say that on the View we have some view
clips of Arnold. We got to dridge those back up
and use them later.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
So I was actually just doubting whether or not this
Tucker Carlson, Ted Cruz stuff is worth doing.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Does this this matter?
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I mean I looked up at ABC News and they
got a clip of it, and I saw it on
Morning Joe Today. Also, I mean a lot of mainstream
media is playing clips of Tucker Carlson interviewing Ted Cruz
and Ted Cruz's off senator senatorial office there in Washington,
d C. They love trying to portray the right as
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divided at each other's throats, as if the Democratic Party
hasn't been a coalition of people that don't agree forever.
And I mean it's more of a coalition than the
Republican Party has ever been by far.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
But of an artisficial coalition him.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
But before we play clip, I ask again, I I
taken a bunch of right leaning media, like podcasts and
stuff like that, and they disagree on things all the time. Yeah,
tell me a podcast that leans left where they aren't
just uniformly opposed to Trump and ever argue with each other.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
I assume they exist, but I have never found one.
I just found a great, really interesting university study. I
could probably find it if you give me half an hour,
but that showed the breadth of disagreement and breadth of
opinions on the right versus the left. I mean, there's
no comparison. You're absolutely right with that point, if you will,
and even more broadly and more interestingly, just to get
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back to the iran question for now you have AOC
and MTG singing a beautiful duet of we shouldn't get
into this, so it's yeah, it's a great question.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Who believes what? And why?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
You watch CNN They'll have nine panelists who all agree.
Why do you have nine people on to say the
same thing? You watch a lot of FOC the shows.
They'll have somebody there reporting on the left side of
the story. Jan Williams every Sunday with Shannon Breem on
her show.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
You don't get that on? I know, I don't know why.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I don't know why because I think it'd be way
more interesting and better TV, audio, podcast, whatever.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Well, because conservatives are generally more individualists than lefties who
are collectivists, You're a collectivist, y'all have to agree.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
I guess that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
So, uh, this is pretty juicy chunk of the two
hour interview Tucker did with Ted Cruz, and I watched
the whole freaking thing and found a pretty damned interesting
both substantively from a personal standpoint of two people getting
angry with each other, then having to calm down and
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continue to talk, and then learning something about how to
argue unfairly if I ever decide I just want to
piss people off, because Tucker's really good at that.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, yeah, he is the master. He might be the
all timer.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
So one thing Tucker does regularly is he interrupts you
while you're in the middle of something and gets you
sidetracked on a completely different topic. And he did that
with Ted Cruz a whole bunch of different times. And
it was about him taking money from some organization that
supports Israel and if he's in the pocket of Israel
and this sort of stuff, and so that that's where
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kind of where they were when it goes here.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
But it's just interesting because what you're now describing in
a very defensive way, I will say, is foreign influence
over our politics now, and you began and it's so
transparently obvious to everybody. I don't know why you would
be embarrassed of. But you've said that you are sincerely
for Israel.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
I believe you.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
I don't think you have some weird agenda you seem to, by.
Speaker 6 (04:44):
The way, Tucker, it's a very weird thing, the obsession
with Israel, and we're talking about for it. You're not
talking about Chinese, you're not talking about Japanese. You're not
talking about the Brits, you're not talking about the French.
The question what about the Jews? What about the Jews?
Speaker 1 (04:59):
I'm gonna tell you, Sam, Senator, you're just in the question.
Speaker 6 (05:03):
You're asking why are the Jews controlling our foreign policy?
Speaker 5 (05:06):
That's what you just asked, hardly saying that, and I
have that's exactly what you just said. Well, actually, I
can speak for myself and tell you what I am
saying on behalf, not simply of myself, but on my
many Jewish friends who would have the same questions, which
is to what extent? And it's interesting you're trying to
derail my questions by following me an anti semi, which
you are.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I did not. Of course you are.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
And and rather than be honorable enough to say it
right to my face, I are sitting a sleeezy feeline
way implying it or just asking questions about the Jews,
I'm asking questions about the Jews I have. There's nothing
to do with Jews or Judaism, and it has to
foreign government.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
Use in Israel controlling our foreign policy.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
That's not about the Jew said I'm asked.
Speaker 7 (05:44):
By the way, you're the.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
One that just called it, I think a sleezy felie.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
So it's clear, you know, I want to look away,
but I can't.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
You're the one who called me a sleezy fee line
in our city, a sleezy feeline way implying it.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Wow, Tucker is brilliant at unfair arguments. He's just brilliant too,
and a great writer. But he's uh, he's twisted, he's
gone to the dark side.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
Let's just call me I think a sleezy feline.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
And Tucker keeps going back to that. For them, this
happens early, keeps going back to it for like the
next hour and forty five minutes.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Well, you called me an anti semi. I did not
implied it. Sure he did.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yeah, although that was like four digressions from the point
they were talking. Yes, and Tucker implied that he is
just that Ted Cruz is only standing up for Israel
because he's taking money from various lobbies and and he's
in the pocket of so right, you know. Uh, So
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let's go to a different topic, Russia, And they got
into the discover ussion of uh, why Tucker Carlson's always
on the side of Russia and him going over there
to interview Putin and Putin and go to the grocery store.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
And all that sort of stuff. So here's a little of.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
That, and you think that the largest act of industrial
sabotage in history helped our allies in Western Europe or
other native fellow native members.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
Look, I gotta say, I don't understand for some reason,
you are really invested in defending Russian I don't get that.
I'm not attacking you with that. I'm genuinely like, I
don't get why you're you're so passionate about defending Russia.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
Actually, I was defending Western Europe, the home of my ancestors,
and that, you know, tripling their energy costs and destroying
their industrial No.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Not no, not like you just accused me.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Of being an anti Semiti and isolationist in a Russian ACTA.
I've not called you in neocon once, which you are,
but I.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
Have that subsurd Yeah, those neocons that opposed the Iraq.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
But like that, that's okay.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Okay, But I haven't called you that because we.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Just said so you just called called it that you
just did.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
I guess what I'm saying is you're triggered because I
use name calling.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I got it. I was triggered when you call me names.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
And I'm triggered once again that you're calling me a
Russia defender when in fact I'm defending Western Europe.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
No you're not. Now, So it wasn't all that.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
I mean, they would get further into it, and well,
like I mentioned this earlier in the show, and Tucker
kept going back to I walked past drug addicts dying
on the streets every day. Why aren't we doing something
about that? How much money did we send to Israel?
How much money have we spent helping Israel in the
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last month fighting Iran? And Ted Cruz Will said, well,
I don't have the exact number.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
You don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
You don't know how much money we've sent to Israel.
And I just stepped over five people dying in the
sidewalk today.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
You know that sort of conversation.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Wow, the multi layered bad faith arguments are amazing.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
And I don't so.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
I guess that's what people are talking about with the woke,
right is that? Am I right here in that? When
did when did worrying about drug addicts in the street
become such a big deal?
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I just what are you supposed to do about that. Well, yeah,
what do you want done? In what way? Is the obvious?
Speaker 3 (09:14):
I don't want people to become drug addicts to die
in the street, but I don't know how I can
stop them. And I'm more concerned about how they're damaging
my life than how much more tax money I can
give to help them, because we've given tremendous amounts of
tax money. Well, right, I think California has been a
very useful laboratory of democracy. Okay, you want to take
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enormous amounts of money that could be spent for other
things in the case of Tucker's argument Ukraine for instance,
or Israel, and throw it at a prejudicial phrase, the
quote unquote homeless problem. California has tried that it was
enormously wasteful and encouraged people to become or continue to
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be drug addicts. I don't think throw it at the
problem is a prejudicial phrase in this not in California
this context, because they got caught not keeping track of
where the money went, how it was spent, or did
it do any good, So that actually is just throwing money.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
At a problem.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
You're right, Yeah, Usually it's a prejudicial phrase, not in
this case, but so don't.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
I don't get if that's what the Tucker crowd and
the woke right are into. And then some of you
are explain to me how spending less money on defending
Israel or Ukraine.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Would fix that?
Speaker 4 (10:33):
For one thing, I think they might, in good faith say,
and I'm trying to imagine based on you know, some
of our correspondents who swing that way, and there aren't
many at all, but they would say, Look, I don't
have the particulars of the policy. I just want more
focus on the United States as a unit internally growing.
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It's stimulating our economy, looking out for our workers, you know,
just to everything foreign, less global policemen. More, what can
we do here at home?
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Yeah, for some reason, they couldn't ever really get that
conversation going of Ted Cruz trying to convince Tucker Carlson,
as I often do what I'm talking on the air,
that it is an America's interest. It is not just
to help someone else. I believe some of us believe
it is an America's interest to keep a.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Rand from getting a nuclear weapon. Right.
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So one thing you heard, Oh, now I'm an anti Semite.
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And Tucker does this with Russia too. Russia, Russia, Russia.
We have that clip because there was overreach on Russia
Gate collusion hoax for instance.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
No doubt. There can be no.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Accusation of being soft on Russia. That isn't ridiculous. You
remember the Steele dossier. Come on, and in the same way,
because there are too many people who say any opposition
to Israel's policies is anti semitism. Sometimes it's appropriate, sometimes
it's not. It's just a disagreement. Because of that, there
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can be no accusation of anti semitism that isn't laughable.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
No, some are legit. It's like the racist thing.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
We said it a million times during the whole woke compelicts.
We came up with a better name than that. I
can't remember what it was. The repression, the Great repression anyway,
that because everybody who's calling everybody racists for everybody, it
was giving great cover to actual racists. That's kind of
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the flip side of that same coin.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Yeah, if you have any comment on that, give us
a text four one five two nine five KFTC.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
And and you're gonna argue unfairly like Tucker with me
right at yes point.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yes, at some point later in the show, I think
I learned from Tucker how to argue. Tucker's style maybe
one of the greatest scientific breakthroughs that I can remember
hearing in a long time, with gene editing, among other
things to tell you about on the way stay here.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
That just called me I think a sleazy feline kat Herbert.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Getty Love and Paris shut down this week after employees
went on strike to protest mass tourism.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
You don't like tourists. You're a museum. Where are the
tourists supposed to go?
Speaker 5 (14:36):
Do you think people are like, we shouldnt really go
to Paris this year and see their banks.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
I don't know if you've ever been in a really,
really crowded tourist spot, but it's pretty easy to wonder
why am I here? I am not enjoying this on
any level.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Oh, yes, and net negative, you get like one of
your major museums after say one thirty in the afternoon, No,
get me out of there.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
I will say my life variance is definitely go when
something opens. You'll beat like eighty percent of people. Most
people just won't, just can't get around getting there early.
My kids hate it, but I get us up and
get us out the door, and we get there when
place is open, and you beat most of the crowd.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Couple of first a dumb thing before we get to
a very important thing. General Mills has discontinued three Cheerios flavors.
I'm a big Cheerios fan, just regular Cheerios, the regular
little oat circle that has got no sugar or fat
or anything like that in it.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Well, General Mills hasn't been the same since Pete Hegxath
fired him.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
They've gotten rid of honey nut Cheerios medley crunch, which
is probably not as healthy as the regular Cheerios or
chocolate peanut butter Cheerio crunch, along with some other honey
nut thing.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
So sorry to see those go.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
It's amazing that the humble cheerio hangs around as a
popular cereal in the cereal aisle, still in big boxes.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Apparently I'm not the only one of a bit of
a post depression field to it.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
It's like I'm eating something from the forties. And I
don't think I've ever read I haven't been to a
cereal aisle ever where it doesn't have boxes of cheerios.
And I don't think I've ever met another person who
eats them in.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
My whole life.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
So some of us are eating them. But this is
the good news.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
So, children, do you remember what the big Crisper breakthrough
was a couple of weeks ago? It was some horrible
childhood thing that they figured out and actually stopped, were
able to.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Maybe with a rare disease. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah,
pretty incredible. They now think down syndrome could be eliminated.
Scientists say they've they've narrowed down the jeens and with
the Crisper technology, they think they could cut out that
extra chromosome that causes that to happen. Like, this isn't
one of those could happen maybe a paper written thirty
years from now. Now, This is like really really could
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happen like that other thing did? Wow, wouldn't that be something?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Yeah, it's both awe inspiring and fear inspiring in a way.
We have these enormous powers now, right, AI nuclear weapons crisper.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
One, there's always the possibility that a lot of I
don't know what's the right term that's not insulting, defects
or whatever, or for a reason that we don't understand.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
There's always the possibility of that.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
There's also this isn't a possibility, this is a reality
that if you can do that, you can also make
everybody seven feet tall two hundred and eighty pounds in
mostly muscle, to make an army out of them, if
you're North Korea or China.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Sure they're working on it as we speak, I'm sure. Yeah.
Speaking of childhood and genetics and that sort of thing.
The Supreme Court ruling that powerful transgender treatments for kids
can be made illegal in your state, maybe it is already,
and that the Fourteenth Amendment got nothing to do with it.
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Great ruling and serious overreach by the gender bending madness crowd.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
We probably out of touch on what Juneteenth is to
today's holiday, national holiday at some point. A bunch of
stuff on the way, stay hear.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Armstrong and getty.
Speaker 7 (18:17):
The Supreme Court's conservative majority upholding Tennessee's ban on some
gender affirming medical care for transgender miners In the six
to three decision, Chief Justice John Roberts, citing evolving science
and profound implications, rejecting the argument that denying trans kids
access to puberty blockers and hormone therapy amounts to sex discrimination.
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Roberts writing the issue should be left to the people.
They're elected representatives in the democratic process. Justice Sonya Sotomayor,
joined by liberal Justices Kagan and Jackson, dissented in sadness,
writing the Court's decision inflicts untold harm to transgender children
and the parents and families who love them.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
You're freaking crazy. God that the way they wrote the
headlines on this decision right there, that guy his first sentence,
medical care, in what sense is doing something completely unnecessary
to a child?
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Medical care? That was a thirty eight second clip. I
could teach a college class on that thirty eight second
No kidding. There was so much there, so much prejudicial language. Actually,
when the facts popped up, they're pretty good. It was
pretty even a handed report. But my god, the amount
of prejudicial language.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
And there is amazing medical care.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
I know, I know, I almost want to go through
that like sentenced by phrase by phrase, tour de force
of bad reporting. Anyway, that was let's say discredit where
it's too That was what ABC tonight. No surprise, they're terrible.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Everybody did that, though everybody butt Fox in the New
York Post pretty much went with, you know what a
setback for transgender rights as opposed to majority opinion agreeing
with the majority opinion of the United States.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Right, bizarre new medical experiments on children no longer allowed.
I read some editorializing by the National Review yesterday that
was much closer to that. And if you look at
established norms plus polls which Jack alluded to there and
arrived at something like a consensus, my headline is much
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more accurate than the ABC News headline.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Could have thrown in a joining with Europe, the United
States now could have done that.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Money with the vast majority of the rest of the world.
Ye had that excellent point. Yeah, uh, you know it
struck me in listening to that, and as I've been
preparing for this segment. It's one of those fundamental worldview
issues like Thomas Sole wrote about, and is brilliant to
conflict divisions. You got two groups of people who see
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the world completely differently. Specifically, you either believe that a
child or an adolescent or a teen can decide they're
the other sex and they're right, and that is as
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true as their height or their number of fingers. You
either believe that completely or you reject it completely. So
it's difficult to cross that divide.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
So if I was going to argue the other side
of it, the belief is you need to do this
when they're young, either before or while they're going through puberty.
Otherwise you know they're going through a transition to a
their bodies are going through changes to become a gender
that they aren't right, and it's a horrifying thing to
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do to something right.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
If I accept your premise, then that's a defensible argument.
I think the premise is obscene, it's delusional, it's crazy,
it's just wrong. And so once you accept a premise
that's that crazy, and it just you know, it's funny.
It just dawned on me. That's what bothers me so
much about. Even like Fox News coverage of these issues,
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their language acts as if they've accepted the premise of
radical gender theory, which was a fringe of a fringe
of a political slash philosophical view not very long ago,
and it deserves to go back there.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
If you use the phrase gender affirming care, you have
accepted the premise that this is all a thing.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Yeah, yeah, More specifically about this case, and I could
get into some of the unhinged quotes from Sonya Subdomiora
for instance.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Who it's just unhinged with emotional arguments that also.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Also completely by the premise, And I think that's probably
the fundamental question. But so the case that the transgender
activist lunatics had brought, which was a real gamble and
a bad one, and there's a lot of analysis of
that on the left these days. But what they were
claiming was the fourteenth Amendment, which guarantees equal protection of
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the laws. Okay, this is a fourteenth Amendment case because
a male a boy, can be prescribed testosterone to conform
to his gender identity he has a hormone problem or
something like that.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
But you're saying in these laws a girl, a female.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Can't get that same medical treatment, that sex discrimination.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
That was the claim.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
I find that claim to be patently absurd on a
number of different levels. If the same drug, substance, gene
we were talking about Crisper earlier, hormone.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Platelets plasma has.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
An enormously different effect on one patient over the other.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
It's not quote unquote the same treatment. It's the same substance.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
But I mean, it's this is a ridiculous example, but
I don't think it's out of bound. If you were
to inject giraffe blood into me.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
It would kill Flow down a second. You gotta let
us take that in.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
It would kill me. It might help an anemic giraffe. Okay, substance.
You know what you need a doctor, an injection of
giraffe blood.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Blood. You're never even considered that doctor. Well, you're the
doctor exactly.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
It's an absurd example, but the point being that substance
would have a vastly different effect on me than it
would on say, a baby giraffe. And likewise, boys and girls,
it's an absurd argument. You know, a doc, I find
myself having difficulty reaching the highest leaves you.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Ah, right.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
So the Biden administration that originally joined in the horrifyingly
wrong side in this case claimed that this law in Tennessee,
I'm sorry it was. They were trying to overturn a
Tennessee law which is shared by roughly half the states,
and soon all of them. I hope a teenager whose
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sex assigned at birth is mail right there.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Stop it.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Nobody assigns your sex at birth, It's observed, except in
an exceedingly rare number of cases in which there's ambiguous
genitalia or both, or et cetera. And I just don't
mean external gener genitalia, but testicles and ovaries as well,
or a chromosomal abnormality.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Is there a band called ambiguous genitalia? I mean, if
there's not in like Portland or Seattle or someplace like that,
some college down there's certainly should be.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
They probably are, you know, it's an unsigned garage band somewhere.
So Chief Justice Roberts wrote SB one. The law prohibits
healthcare providers from administering puberty blockers and hormones to miners
for certain medical uses, for when, for example, a transgender boy.
And again, stop using the language of radical gender theory.
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Why have we adopted their language?
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Anyway, When, for example, a girl takes puberty blockers to wow,
Roberts even refers to the girl taking hormones male hormones
as his as he oh really, yeah, wow, he's going
on of his way to be fair. I guess yes
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and not come off as a quote unquote bigot. But again,
you've bought the original premise. I'm just going to read
it to you because I was going to try to
translate it into actual the proper pronouns, but it's too confusing. When,
for example, a transgender boy whose biological sex is female
takes puberty blockers to treat his gender incongruence, he receives
a different medical treatment than a boy who's biological sex
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is male who takes puberty blockers to treat his precocious
puberty or whatever.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Anyway, the whole.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Idea of a transgender boy, now, now, why are you
adopting that language. It is a moment of confusion, social pressure,
mass delusion, sexual kink, whatever. But I reject the notion
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that there is such a thing as a transgender boy.
Won't even use the term anyway.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Please do not use gendered language to address everyone.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
It'd be pretty tough to even tell you about this
case without that. So it's a great it's a great
decision that said, essentially, no, the people of Tennessee and
the other states can look at these medical treatments for
which the science is awful. I mean it is not
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even the barest bones of preliminary Yes, this is okay
type substantiation.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
It's it's terrible.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
The people of Tennessee can look at that and say, no,
We're not going to do this to our children in
the state of Tennessee, said the Supreme Court. That's the
long and short of the ruling. Hey la, hey la,
let the gavel ring down.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
So in our three we will have to get back
into you know, what's going to happen with the United
States and and all that and what Trump has been
saying in the last twenty four hours.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
But today is June nineteenth.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
It's the anniversary of a couple of things, one incredibly important,
one not but still worth noting.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
We'll get to that coming up next. Armstrong he getty.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
Slowly.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I can go slow, head someone down and jump some
of thissh oh. I know that music. No, this isn't good.
I'm getting out of the water. I hear a cello
like that. You're going to need a bigger poach.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
I'll tell you what you're swimming and you hear the cello,
get out of the water. It's the fiftieth anniversary of
Jaws debuting and there's a big hit and made people irrationally,
and I made people irrationally scared of being attacked by
sharks because it almost never happens.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Myself included as a young lad who spent every chunk
of every summer on the New Jersey shore.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Now everybody thinks that shark finna bite your arm off
and it ate. Another thing that happened on this day,
aside from Jaws debuting, was in eighteen sixty five. On
this day, the reason we call it June teenth. I
don't know if the harp was appropriate. There, Gladys Union
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General Gordon Granger arrived in Galveston, Texas, and announced General
Order number three, which stated that all enslaved people were free.
This had happened over two years after present Lincoln issued
the Amancipacent Proclamation. Texas was one of the last Confederate
states where slavery continued, so the news reaching there symbolized
the true end of slavery. In practice, June teenth, as
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seen as America's second Independence day, kind of fitting in
with what okay, well, that's more or less what Lincoln
was saying in his speech about, you know, the second
Declaration of our founding that old thing, and I was
just going to read a little bit from what Tim Sander,
for our friend, wrote for the Goldwater Institute a couple
(31:15):
of years back.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
He reprinted it today.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
June tenth celebrates spirit of Americans dedicated to securing promise
of freedom. June tenth is more than a celebration of freedom.
It's a celebration of one of mankind's greatest triumphs, the
war against enslavement. It's a beautiful and moving story and
one all Americans should be proud of. For countless generations,
before the birth of the United States, Europeans and in fact,
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the peoples of all the earth believed that human beings
are bound by destiny, born into a cast to be
rule or to be ruled, to conquer or to be conquered.
Such thinking had indeed left much of the known world
enslaved in one way or another. Africans, Asians, native American
tribes practice forms of slavery, and Europeans brought slavery to
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North America, first with the conquistadors who came to capture
the natives, and two centuries later with the traffic in
enslaved Africans, and by the time Thomas Jefferson began writing
the Declaration of Independence. Black Americans had been held in
bondage for a century and a half. Never before in
history had a society seriously tried to eliminate the institution
of human enslavement. Some philosophers had on occasion questioned slavery's legitimacy,
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but the idea of ending it on a nationwide scale
had never been taken seriously. Never, that is, until the
last quarter of the eighteenth century. It was then that
the ideas that we call classical liberalism, ideas developed by
thinkers of widely different backgrounds in many different countries, climaxed
with the declaration that everyone had a basic and ineradicable
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right to freedom, the right to choose one's own destiny
and work towards own's happiness. This was a truly radical idea,
something genuinely new in the political world, and it foretold
drastic transformation in society. And then he gets into Lincoln's
declaration of a Second Founding and trying to get the
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promise of the Declaration of Independence into actual action in
our country. But I wish this was Tim's piece, or
any of the pieces that he references, was presented in
schools as often as the sixteen nineteen Project Is, which
has the exact opposite take on the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
Right, Yeah, I was gonna mention, I'd imagine a handful
or more of our listeners are listening to that somewhat
uncomfortable and maybe even not sure why. I've been thinking
about this a lot. I happen to come across an
article explaining that Plano, Illinois, which is onlike the Way
Way outskirts of Chicagoland, they were the first town to
have an official Juneteenth holiday in recent vintage. Anyway, they
(33:57):
have called it off this year because so many companies
are not wanting to sponsor it because their customers will
boycott them if they do, and their.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Companies will boycott them. People will boycott the company if they.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Do celebrate Juneteenth, if they sponsor the celebration. Yeah, and
I'll tell you why. And this is it's a real
good lesson. June teenth is, as Tim was describing it,
an important moment. It's incredibly moving if you hear, if
you read about the folks who are enslaved in Texas,
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who two years later were still being held and realized
that they were actually free and blah blah blah, living
up to our founding premises.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
It's a beautiful thing, but like so.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
Many other things, in the wake of the George Floyd thing,
pandering politicians and angry activists jammed it down America's throat,
along with compulsory and high racism training and Robin DiAngelo
and Ibram x Kendy in the sixteen nineteenth sixteen nineteenth
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project and Juneteenth got lumped in with all of that
awful stuff, and that is sad.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Well, we're taking it back to quote bono. Yeah, you
don't get to use that. We use Juneteenth for all
that crap. That's not what it is. As a Tim
retweeted somebody else's article about this is our most libertarian holiday.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
M Yeah, it's a shame.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
It got caught up in the neo Marxist movement of
seizing control of institutions by calling people racists so that
they were afraid to say anything or object to the
takeover of their institutions.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
But there we have.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
That's I'm so glad you read that, because that's at
the heart of it, not Joe Biden pandering, not Ebram
e fing x Kendy.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
What Jack read that's what it's about out.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Tim wrote, more importantly, I will I will retweet that
so you could all check it out if you wanted to,
and we'll post Tim's piece.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Uh. Does the Iyatola live to cease?
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (36:11):
The to to see the first day of summer, which
is a couple of days. Now, that's a good question.
Does the Iatola live till summer?
Speaker 4 (36:18):
I hope so, because I know he loves surfing and softball.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Arnold Schwarzenegger appeared on the View this week. Arnold told
the host that when you come.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
To America, you're a guest.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
You have a responsibility as an immigrant to give back.
This is also what he told the maid that he
knocked up from Guatemala.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Wow, ain't got a baby? Wow, you idiot.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
You're here from another country. You have a responsibility to
give back, so turn around.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Wow Wow, No crude, I don't approve. I just avow.
I just avow.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
But I hope you'll live in a room for my
fist because I'm going.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
To ram it indio Sama.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
They say that on the View we have some view
clips of Arnold. We got to dridge those back up
and use them later.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
So I was actually just doubting whether or not this
Tucker Carlson, Ted Cruz stuff is worth doing.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Does this this matter?
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I mean I looked up at ABC News and they
got a clip of it, and I saw it on
Morning Joe Today. Also, I mean a lot of mainstream
media is playing clips of Tucker Carlson interviewing Ted Cruz
and Ted Cruz's off senator senatorial office there in Washington,
d C. They love trying to portray the right as
(01:40):
divided at each other's throats, as if the Democratic Party
hasn't been a coalition of people that don't agree forever.
And I mean it's more of a coalition than the
Republican Party has ever been by far.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
But of an artisficial coalition him.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
But before we play clip, I ask again, I I
taken a bunch of right leaning media, like podcasts and
stuff like that, and they disagree on things all the time. Yeah,
tell me a podcast that leans left where they aren't
just uniformly opposed to Trump and ever argue with each other.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
I assume they exist, but I have never found one.
I just found a great, really interesting university study. I
could probably find it if you give me half an hour,
but that showed the breadth of disagreement and breadth of
opinions on the right versus the left. I mean, there's
no comparison. You're absolutely right with that point, if you will,
and even more broadly and more interestingly, just to get
(02:40):
back to the iran question for now you have AOC
and MTG singing a beautiful duet of we shouldn't get
into this, so it's yeah, it's a great question.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Who believes what? And why?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
You watch CNN They'll have nine panelists who all agree.
Why do you have nine people on to say the
same thing? You watch a lot of FOC the shows.
They'll have somebody there reporting on the left side of
the story. Jan Williams every Sunday with Shannon Breem on
her show.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
You don't get that on? I know, I don't know why.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I don't know why because I think it'd be way
more interesting and better TV, audio, podcast, whatever.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Well, because conservatives are generally more individualists than lefties who
are collectivists, You're a collectivist, y'all have to agree.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
I guess that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
So, uh, this is pretty juicy chunk of the two
hour interview Tucker did with Ted Cruz, and I watched
the whole freaking thing and found a pretty damned interesting
both substantively from a personal standpoint of two people getting
angry with each other, then having to calm down and
(03:49):
continue to talk, and then learning something about how to
argue unfairly if I ever decide I just want to
piss people off, because Tucker's really good at that.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, yeah, he is the master. He might be the
all timer.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
So one thing Tucker does regularly is he interrupts you
while you're in the middle of something and gets you
sidetracked on a completely different topic. And he did that
with Ted Cruz a whole bunch of different times. And
it was about him taking money from some organization that
supports Israel and if he's in the pocket of Israel
and this sort of stuff, and so that that's where
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kind of where they were when it goes here.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
But it's just interesting because what you're now describing in
a very defensive way, I will say, is foreign influence
over our politics now, and you began and it's so
transparently obvious to everybody. I don't know why you would
be embarrassed of. But you've said that you are sincerely
for Israel.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
I believe you.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
I don't think you have some weird agenda you seem to, by.
Speaker 6 (04:44):
The way, Tucker, it's a very weird thing, the obsession
with Israel, and we're talking about for it. You're not
talking about Chinese, you're not talking about Japanese. You're not
talking about the Brits, you're not talking about the French.
The question what about the Jews? What about the Jews?
Speaker 1 (04:59):
I'm gonna tell you, Sam, Senator, you're just in the question.
Speaker 6 (05:03):
You're asking why are the Jews controlling our foreign policy?
Speaker 5 (05:06):
That's what you just asked, hardly saying that, and I
have that's exactly what you just said. Well, actually, I
can speak for myself and tell you what I am
saying on behalf, not simply of myself, but on my
many Jewish friends who would have the same questions, which
is to what extent? And it's interesting you're trying to
derail my questions by following me an anti semi, which
you are.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I did not. Of course you are.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
And and rather than be honorable enough to say it
right to my face, I are sitting a sleeezy feeline
way implying it or just asking questions about the Jews,
I'm asking questions about the Jews I have. There's nothing
to do with Jews or Judaism, and it has to
foreign government.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
Use in Israel controlling our foreign policy.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
That's not about the Jew said I'm asked.
Speaker 7 (05:44):
By the way, you're the.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
One that just called it, I think a sleezy felie.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
So it's clear, you know, I want to look away,
but I can't.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
You're the one who called me a sleezy fee line
in our city, a sleezy feeline way implying it.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Wow, Tucker is brilliant at unfair arguments. He's just brilliant too,
and a great writer. But he's uh, he's twisted, he's
gone to the dark side.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
Let's just call me I think a sleezy feline.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
And Tucker keeps going back to that. For them, this
happens early, keeps going back to it for like the
next hour and forty five minutes.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Well, you called me an anti semi. I did not
implied it. Sure he did.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yeah, although that was like four digressions from the point
they were talking. Yes, and Tucker implied that he is
just that Ted Cruz is only standing up for Israel
because he's taking money from various lobbies and and he's
in the pocket of so right, you know. Uh, So
(06:56):
let's go to a different topic, Russia, And they got
into the discover ussion of uh, why Tucker Carlson's always
on the side of Russia and him going over there
to interview Putin and Putin and go to the grocery store.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
And all that sort of stuff. So here's a little of.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
That, and you think that the largest act of industrial
sabotage in history helped our allies in Western Europe or
other native fellow native members.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
Look, I gotta say, I don't understand for some reason,
you are really invested in defending Russian I don't get that.
I'm not attacking you with that. I'm genuinely like, I
don't get why you're you're so passionate about defending Russia.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
Actually, I was defending Western Europe, the home of my ancestors,
and that, you know, tripling their energy costs and destroying
their industrial No.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Not no, not like you just accused me.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Of being an anti Semiti and isolationist in a Russian ACTA.
I've not called you in neocon once, which you are,
but I.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
Have that subsurd Yeah, those neocons that opposed the Iraq.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
But like that, that's okay.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Okay, But I haven't called you that because we.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Just said so you just called called it that you
just did.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
I guess what I'm saying is you're triggered because I
use name calling.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I got it. I was triggered when you call me names.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
And I'm triggered once again that you're calling me a
Russia defender when in fact I'm defending Western Europe.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
No you're not. Now, So it wasn't all that.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
I mean, they would get further into it, and well,
like I mentioned this earlier in the show, and Tucker
kept going back to I walked past drug addicts dying
on the streets every day. Why aren't we doing something
about that? How much money did we send to Israel?
How much money have we spent helping Israel in the
(08:38):
last month fighting Iran? And Ted Cruz Will said, well,
I don't have the exact number.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
You don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
You don't know how much money we've sent to Israel.
And I just stepped over five people dying in the
sidewalk today.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
You know that sort of conversation.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Wow, the multi layered bad faith arguments are amazing.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
And I don't so.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
I guess that's what people are talking about with the woke,
right is that? Am I right here in that? When
did when did worrying about drug addicts in the street
become such a big deal?
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I just what are you supposed to do about that. Well, yeah,
what do you want done? In what way? Is the obvious?
Speaker 3 (09:14):
I don't want people to become drug addicts to die
in the street, but I don't know how I can
stop them. And I'm more concerned about how they're damaging
my life than how much more tax money I can
give to help them, because we've given tremendous amounts of
tax money. Well, right, I think California has been a
very useful laboratory of democracy. Okay, you want to take
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enormous amounts of money that could be spent for other
things in the case of Tucker's argument Ukraine for instance,
or Israel, and throw it at a prejudicial phrase, the
quote unquote homeless problem. California has tried that it was
enormously wasteful and encouraged people to become or continue to
(09:57):
be drug addicts. I don't think throw it at the
problem is a prejudicial phrase in this not in California
this context, because they got caught not keeping track of
where the money went, how it was spent, or did
it do any good, So that actually is just throwing money.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
At a problem.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
You're right, Yeah, Usually it's a prejudicial phrase, not in
this case, but so don't.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
I don't get if that's what the Tucker crowd and
the woke right are into. And then some of you
are explain to me how spending less money on defending
Israel or Ukraine.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Would fix that?
Speaker 4 (10:33):
For one thing, I think they might, in good faith say,
and I'm trying to imagine based on you know, some
of our correspondents who swing that way, and there aren't
many at all, but they would say, Look, I don't
have the particulars of the policy. I just want more
focus on the United States as a unit internally growing.
(10:54):
It's stimulating our economy, looking out for our workers, you know,
just to everything foreign, less global policemen. More, what can
we do here at home?
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Yeah, for some reason, they couldn't ever really get that
conversation going of Ted Cruz trying to convince Tucker Carlson,
as I often do what I'm talking on the air,
that it is an America's interest. It is not just
to help someone else. I believe some of us believe
it is an America's interest to keep a.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Rand from getting a nuclear weapon. Right.
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So one thing you heard, Oh, now I'm an anti Semite.
(12:48):
And Tucker does this with Russia too. Russia, Russia, Russia.
We have that clip because there was overreach on Russia
Gate collusion hoax for instance.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
No doubt. There can be no.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Accusation of being soft on Russia. That isn't ridiculous. You
remember the Steele dossier. Come on, and in the same way,
because there are too many people who say any opposition
to Israel's policies is anti semitism. Sometimes it's appropriate, sometimes
it's not. It's just a disagreement. Because of that, there
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can be no accusation of anti semitism that isn't laughable.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
No, some are legit. It's like the racist thing.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
We said it a million times during the whole woke compelicts.
We came up with a better name than that. I
can't remember what it was. The repression, the Great repression anyway,
that because everybody who's calling everybody racists for everybody, it
was giving great cover to actual racists. That's kind of
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the flip side of that same coin.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Yeah, if you have any comment on that, give us
a text four one five two nine five KFTC.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
And and you're gonna argue unfairly like Tucker with me
right at yes point.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yes, at some point later in the show, I think
I learned from Tucker how to argue. Tucker's style maybe
one of the greatest scientific breakthroughs that I can remember
hearing in a long time, with gene editing, among other
things to tell you about on the way stay here.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
That just called me I think a sleazy feline kat Herbert.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Getty Love and Paris shut down this week after employees
went on strike to protest mass tourism.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
You don't like tourists. You're a museum. Where are the
tourists supposed to go?
Speaker 5 (14:36):
Do you think people are like, we shouldnt really go
to Paris this year and see their banks.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
I don't know if you've ever been in a really,
really crowded tourist spot, but it's pretty easy to wonder
why am I here? I am not enjoying this on
any level.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Oh, yes, and net negative, you get like one of
your major museums after say one thirty in the afternoon, No,
get me out of there.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
I will say my life variance is definitely go when
something opens. You'll beat like eighty percent of people. Most
people just won't, just can't get around getting there early.
My kids hate it, but I get us up and
get us out the door, and we get there when
place is open, and you beat most of the crowd.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Couple of first a dumb thing before we get to
a very important thing. General Mills has discontinued three Cheerios flavors.
I'm a big Cheerios fan, just regular Cheerios, the regular
little oat circle that has got no sugar or fat
or anything like that in it.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Well, General Mills hasn't been the same since Pete Hegxath
fired him.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
They've gotten rid of honey nut Cheerios medley crunch, which
is probably not as healthy as the regular Cheerios or
chocolate peanut butter Cheerio crunch, along with some other honey
nut thing.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
So sorry to see those go.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
It's amazing that the humble cheerio hangs around as a
popular cereal in the cereal aisle, still in big boxes.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Apparently I'm not the only one of a bit of
a post depression field to it.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
It's like I'm eating something from the forties. And I
don't think I've ever read I haven't been to a
cereal aisle ever where it doesn't have boxes of cheerios.
And I don't think I've ever met another person who
eats them in.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
My whole life.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
So some of us are eating them. But this is
the good news.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
So, children, do you remember what the big Crisper breakthrough
was a couple of weeks ago? It was some horrible
childhood thing that they figured out and actually stopped, were
able to.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Maybe with a rare disease. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah,
pretty incredible. They now think down syndrome could be eliminated.
Scientists say they've they've narrowed down the jeens and with
the Crisper technology, they think they could cut out that
extra chromosome that causes that to happen. Like, this isn't
one of those could happen maybe a paper written thirty
years from now. Now, This is like really really could
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happen like that other thing did? Wow, wouldn't that be something?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Yeah, it's both awe inspiring and fear inspiring in a way.
We have these enormous powers now, right, AI nuclear weapons crisper.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
One, there's always the possibility that a lot of I
don't know what's the right term that's not insulting, defects
or whatever, or for a reason that we don't understand.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
There's always the possibility of that.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
There's also this isn't a possibility, this is a reality
that if you can do that, you can also make
everybody seven feet tall two hundred and eighty pounds in
mostly muscle, to make an army out of them, if
you're North Korea or China.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Sure they're working on it as we speak, I'm sure. Yeah.
Speaking of childhood and genetics and that sort of thing.
The Supreme Court ruling that powerful transgender treatments for kids
can be made illegal in your state, maybe it is already,
and that the Fourteenth Amendment got nothing to do with it.
(18:00):
Great ruling and serious overreach by the gender bending madness crowd.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
We probably out of touch on what Juneteenth is to
today's holiday, national holiday at some point. A bunch of
stuff on the way, stay hear.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Armstrong and getty.
Speaker 7 (18:17):
The Supreme Court's conservative majority upholding Tennessee's ban on some
gender affirming medical care for transgender miners In the six
to three decision, Chief Justice John Roberts, citing evolving science
and profound implications, rejecting the argument that denying trans kids
access to puberty blockers and hormone therapy amounts to sex discrimination.
(18:38):
Roberts writing the issue should be left to the people.
They're elected representatives in the democratic process. Justice Sonya Sotomayor,
joined by liberal Justices Kagan and Jackson, dissented in sadness,
writing the Court's decision inflicts untold harm to transgender children
and the parents and families who love them.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
You're freaking crazy. God that the way they wrote the
headlines on this decision right there, that guy his first sentence,
medical care, in what sense is doing something completely unnecessary
to a child?
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Medical care? That was a thirty eight second clip. I
could teach a college class on that thirty eight second
No kidding. There was so much there, so much prejudicial language. Actually,
when the facts popped up, they're pretty good. It was
pretty even a handed report. But my god, the amount
of prejudicial language.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
And there is amazing medical care.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
I know, I know, I almost want to go through
that like sentenced by phrase by phrase, tour de force
of bad reporting. Anyway, that was let's say discredit where
it's too That was what ABC tonight. No surprise, they're terrible.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Everybody did that, though everybody butt Fox in the New
York Post pretty much went with, you know what a
setback for transgender rights as opposed to majority opinion agreeing
with the majority opinion of the United States.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Right, bizarre new medical experiments on children no longer allowed.
I read some editorializing by the National Review yesterday that
was much closer to that. And if you look at
established norms plus polls which Jack alluded to there and
arrived at something like a consensus, my headline is much
(20:31):
more accurate than the ABC News headline.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Could have thrown in a joining with Europe, the United
States now could have done that.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Money with the vast majority of the rest of the world.
Ye had that excellent point. Yeah, uh, you know it
struck me in listening to that, and as I've been
preparing for this segment. It's one of those fundamental worldview
issues like Thomas Sole wrote about, and is brilliant to
conflict divisions. You got two groups of people who see
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the world completely differently. Specifically, you either believe that a
child or an adolescent or a teen can decide they're
the other sex and they're right, and that is as
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true as their height or their number of fingers. You
either believe that completely or you reject it completely. So
it's difficult to cross that divide.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
So if I was going to argue the other side
of it, the belief is you need to do this
when they're young, either before or while they're going through puberty.
Otherwise you know they're going through a transition to a
their bodies are going through changes to become a gender
that they aren't right, and it's a horrifying thing to
(21:59):
do to something right.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
If I accept your premise, then that's a defensible argument.
I think the premise is obscene, it's delusional, it's crazy,
it's just wrong. And so once you accept a premise
that's that crazy, and it just you know, it's funny.
It just dawned on me. That's what bothers me so
much about. Even like Fox News coverage of these issues,
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their language acts as if they've accepted the premise of
radical gender theory, which was a fringe of a fringe
of a political slash philosophical view not very long ago,
and it deserves to go back there.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
If you use the phrase gender affirming care, you have
accepted the premise that this is all a thing.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Yeah, yeah, More specifically about this case, and I could
get into some of the unhinged quotes from Sonya Subdomiora
for instance.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Who it's just unhinged with emotional arguments that also.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Also completely by the premise, And I think that's probably
the fundamental question. But so the case that the transgender
activist lunatics had brought, which was a real gamble and
a bad one, and there's a lot of analysis of
that on the left these days. But what they were
claiming was the fourteenth Amendment, which guarantees equal protection of
(23:31):
the laws. Okay, this is a fourteenth Amendment case because
a male a boy, can be prescribed testosterone to conform
to his gender identity he has a hormone problem or
something like that.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
But you're saying in these laws a girl, a female.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Can't get that same medical treatment, that sex discrimination.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
That was the claim.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
I find that claim to be patently absurd on a
number of different levels. If the same drug, substance, gene
we were talking about Crisper earlier, hormone.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Platelets plasma has.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
An enormously different effect on one patient over the other.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
It's not quote unquote the same treatment. It's the same substance.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
But I mean, it's this is a ridiculous example, but
I don't think it's out of bound. If you were
to inject giraffe blood into me.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
It would kill Flow down a second. You gotta let
us take that in.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
It would kill me. It might help an anemic giraffe. Okay, substance.
You know what you need a doctor, an injection of
giraffe blood.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Blood. You're never even considered that doctor. Well, you're the
doctor exactly.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
It's an absurd example, but the point being that substance
would have a vastly different effect on me than it
would on say, a baby giraffe. And likewise, boys and girls,
it's an absurd argument. You know, a doc, I find
myself having difficulty reaching the highest leaves you.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Ah, right.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
So the Biden administration that originally joined in the horrifyingly
wrong side in this case claimed that this law in Tennessee,
I'm sorry it was. They were trying to overturn a
Tennessee law which is shared by roughly half the states,
and soon all of them. I hope a teenager whose
(25:43):
sex assigned at birth is mail right there.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Stop it.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Nobody assigns your sex at birth, It's observed, except in
an exceedingly rare number of cases in which there's ambiguous
genitalia or both, or et cetera. And I just don't
mean external gener genitalia, but testicles and ovaries as well,
or a chromosomal abnormality.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Is there a band called ambiguous genitalia? I mean, if
there's not in like Portland or Seattle or someplace like that,
some college down there's certainly should be.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
They probably are, you know, it's an unsigned garage band somewhere.
So Chief Justice Roberts wrote SB one. The law prohibits
healthcare providers from administering puberty blockers and hormones to miners
for certain medical uses, for when, for example, a transgender boy.
And again, stop using the language of radical gender theory.
(26:36):
Why have we adopted their language?
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Anyway, When, for example, a girl takes puberty blockers to wow,
Roberts even refers to the girl taking hormones male hormones
as his as he oh really, yeah, wow, he's going
on of his way to be fair. I guess yes
(27:01):
and not come off as a quote unquote bigot. But again,
you've bought the original premise. I'm just going to read
it to you because I was going to try to
translate it into actual the proper pronouns, but it's too confusing. When,
for example, a transgender boy whose biological sex is female
takes puberty blockers to treat his gender incongruence, he receives
a different medical treatment than a boy who's biological sex
(27:24):
is male who takes puberty blockers to treat his precocious
puberty or whatever.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Anyway, the whole.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Idea of a transgender boy, now, now, why are you
adopting that language. It is a moment of confusion, social pressure,
mass delusion, sexual kink, whatever. But I reject the notion
(28:00):
that there is such a thing as a transgender boy.
Won't even use the term anyway.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Please do not use gendered language to address everyone.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
It'd be pretty tough to even tell you about this
case without that. So it's a great it's a great
decision that said, essentially, no, the people of Tennessee and
the other states can look at these medical treatments for
which the science is awful. I mean it is not
(28:35):
even the barest bones of preliminary Yes, this is okay
type substantiation.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
It's it's terrible.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
The people of Tennessee can look at that and say, no,
We're not going to do this to our children in
the state of Tennessee, said the Supreme Court. That's the
long and short of the ruling. Hey la, hey la,
let the gavel ring down.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
So in our three we will have to get back
into you know, what's going to happen with the United
States and and all that and what Trump has been
saying in the last twenty four hours.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
But today is June nineteenth.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
It's the anniversary of a couple of things, one incredibly important,
one not but still worth noting.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
We'll get to that coming up next. Armstrong he getty.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
Slowly.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I can go slow, head someone down and jump some
of thissh oh. I know that music. No, this isn't good.
I'm getting out of the water. I hear a cello
like that. You're going to need a bigger poach.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
I'll tell you what you're swimming and you hear the cello,
get out of the water. It's the fiftieth anniversary of
Jaws debuting and there's a big hit and made people irrationally,
and I made people irrationally scared of being attacked by
sharks because it almost never happens.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Myself included as a young lad who spent every chunk
of every summer on the New Jersey shore.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Now everybody thinks that shark finna bite your arm off
and it ate. Another thing that happened on this day,
aside from Jaws debuting, was in eighteen sixty five. On
this day, the reason we call it June teenth. I
don't know if the harp was appropriate. There, Gladys Union
(30:31):
General Gordon Granger arrived in Galveston, Texas, and announced General
Order number three, which stated that all enslaved people were free.
This had happened over two years after present Lincoln issued
the Amancipacent Proclamation. Texas was one of the last Confederate
states where slavery continued, so the news reaching there symbolized
the true end of slavery. In practice, June teenth, as
(30:54):
seen as America's second Independence day, kind of fitting in
with what okay, well, that's more or less what Lincoln
was saying in his speech about, you know, the second
Declaration of our founding that old thing, and I was
just going to read a little bit from what Tim Sander,
for our friend, wrote for the Goldwater Institute a couple
(31:15):
of years back.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
He reprinted it today.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
June tenth celebrates spirit of Americans dedicated to securing promise
of freedom. June tenth is more than a celebration of freedom.
It's a celebration of one of mankind's greatest triumphs, the
war against enslavement. It's a beautiful and moving story and
one all Americans should be proud of. For countless generations,
before the birth of the United States, Europeans and in fact,
(31:39):
the peoples of all the earth believed that human beings
are bound by destiny, born into a cast to be
rule or to be ruled, to conquer or to be conquered.
Such thinking had indeed left much of the known world
enslaved in one way or another. Africans, Asians, native American
tribes practice forms of slavery, and Europeans brought slavery to
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North America, first with the conquistadors who came to capture
the natives, and two centuries later with the traffic in
enslaved Africans, and by the time Thomas Jefferson began writing
the Declaration of Independence. Black Americans had been held in
bondage for a century and a half. Never before in
history had a society seriously tried to eliminate the institution
of human enslavement. Some philosophers had on occasion questioned slavery's legitimacy,
(32:26):
but the idea of ending it on a nationwide scale
had never been taken seriously. Never, that is, until the
last quarter of the eighteenth century. It was then that
the ideas that we call classical liberalism, ideas developed by
thinkers of widely different backgrounds in many different countries, climaxed
with the declaration that everyone had a basic and ineradicable
(32:47):
right to freedom, the right to choose one's own destiny
and work towards own's happiness. This was a truly radical idea,
something genuinely new in the political world, and it foretold
drastic transformation in society. And then he gets into Lincoln's
declaration of a Second Founding and trying to get the
(33:09):
promise of the Declaration of Independence into actual action in
our country. But I wish this was Tim's piece, or
any of the pieces that he references, was presented in
schools as often as the sixteen nineteen Project Is, which
has the exact opposite take on the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
Right, Yeah, I was gonna mention, I'd imagine a handful
or more of our listeners are listening to that somewhat
uncomfortable and maybe even not sure why. I've been thinking
about this a lot. I happen to come across an
article explaining that Plano, Illinois, which is onlike the Way
Way outskirts of Chicagoland, they were the first town to
have an official Juneteenth holiday in recent vintage. Anyway, they
(33:57):
have called it off this year because so many companies
are not wanting to sponsor it because their customers will
boycott them if they do, and their.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Companies will boycott them. People will boycott the company if they.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Do celebrate Juneteenth, if they sponsor the celebration. Yeah, and
I'll tell you why. And this is it's a real
good lesson. June teenth is, as Tim was describing it,
an important moment. It's incredibly moving if you hear, if
you read about the folks who are enslaved in Texas,
(34:35):
who two years later were still being held and realized
that they were actually free and blah blah blah, living
up to our founding premises.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
It's a beautiful thing, but like so.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
Many other things, in the wake of the George Floyd thing,
pandering politicians and angry activists jammed it down America's throat,
along with compulsory and high racism training and Robin DiAngelo
and Ibram x Kendy in the sixteen nineteenth sixteen nineteenth
(35:06):
project and Juneteenth got lumped in with all of that
awful stuff, and that is sad.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Well, we're taking it back to quote bono. Yeah, you
don't get to use that. We use Juneteenth for all
that crap. That's not what it is. As a Tim
retweeted somebody else's article about this is our most libertarian holiday.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
M Yeah, it's a shame.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
It got caught up in the neo Marxist movement of
seizing control of institutions by calling people racists so that
they were afraid to say anything or object to the
takeover of their institutions.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
But there we have.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
That's I'm so glad you read that, because that's at
the heart of it, not Joe Biden pandering, not Ebram
e fing x Kendy.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
What Jack read that's what it's about out.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Tim wrote, more importantly, I will I will retweet that
so you could all check it out if you wanted to,
and we'll post Tim's piece.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Uh. Does the Iyatola live to cease?
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (36:11):
The to to see the first day of summer, which
is a couple of days. Now, that's a good question.
Does the Iatola live till summer?
Speaker 4 (36:18):
I hope so, because I know he loves surfing and softball.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
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