May 7, 2025 • 14 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A life's lesson from the TSA. It's one more thing.
I'm one more.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
And then we're gonna let people over arbitrary things they
can't possibly know in advance.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
We're also going to talk about the idea of reopening Alcatraz, which,
ah rock, I assume Katie, you grew up in the
Bay Area. You've done Alcatraz?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
No a million times?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Did they do? Used to do school trips and stuff? Yeah,
we did.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I believe it was summer camp where we did the
trips out there.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah, I went on one too. Yeah. The night tour
is awesome. Oh really, I've heard. Oh I wish i'd
done that.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Should have done that before they opened the back up.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Now you got to like do federal crimes to get
the night tour if you know it's not going to
turn into a prison again. More on that in a moment.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Get to that in a second. So my life lesson
from the TSA. I've thought about this quite a bit.
I know I mentioned this on their air in a
while back, but I see it almost every time I fly.
Now you just flew, didn't you, Katy? You observed this.
I saw very starkly, side by side two people handle
(01:10):
human beings a different way, and have attempted to commit
myself to one way and not the other way. It was,
we're just waiting in line. Is a crowded day at security,
and you know, the booths open up where they take
your driver's license, and you're waiting in line, and there
are two of them, and the one guy would say next, next, next, next,
(01:36):
like if he didn't get your attention right away, and
then the other person would say ready for the next person, Hey, honey,
we're ready for you now, accomplishing exactly the same thing.
One of them was furiously angry and making other people
they interacted with have worse days. The other one was
(01:59):
happy and making other people have a better day, accomplishing
exactly the same thing, although I would say probably with
much less energy expelled the happy, cheerful person than the
angry person. And I've seen this happen many times now
at TSA. Now that I observe it, two people in line,
you got the you don't have to take off your
shoes versus no need to take off your shoes, sweetheart,
(02:22):
exactly the same message. The one is just as easy
as in fact, it's easier to go with the nice one,
and I've tried to employ that with my kids with
everything that I'm doing now, just because it's just obviously
on a million levels, a better way to live your life, certainly, yeow.
And it's amazing how many people, and I've done this
(02:43):
myself plenty of times. We're just out of your frustration
or whatever. You're making your life worse, You're making other
people's lives worse. You're like probably shaving seconds off of
your life by being angry. It's just completely self defeating.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
So, Katie, when I was a fairly young lad, had
my sainted mother go ahead, Gladys, why not?
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Uh hey, glad, it's a little faster on the harm
to see I just did it.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Oh lord, no, see you're still a work in progress. Yeah.
So I was a fairly young lad when my I
think I was explaining why I had behaved so badly
and whether it was my sister or something else. I
had told my mom that they just made me so mad,
(03:28):
and and my lovely gentle mother said essentially, and I'm paraphrasing,
because she made it, you know, understandable for a kid
of my age is probably seven or eight. At that point,
she explained she said, why would you let them have
that power over you? And I'm like, wait what she said?
It's it's your emotions. Don't let other people drive you
(03:49):
to one or the other. Be aware of the way
you're feeling and and and be responsible for.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Your own feelings.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
And you know I'm not Saint Francis of ASSISI over here,
mister s I mean, uh, and neither is anybody else.
The two great influences in my life, right to two examples,
and mister Spock right. But yeah, that that guy, the
TSA guy, was letting his frustration with the general public
(04:18):
not towing the line the way he thought ruin.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
His day, probably every day.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Well right, Uh, terrible for his emotions, terrible for his body.
I mean just everything about that interchange is unhealthy for everybody.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
And unhappiness to other people.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, well right, and as the other person illustrated so clearly, uh,
it's not necessary. Now. I will also say this, having
raised three children from a conception to adulthood, some people
are born wound up tight and it's a lot harder
for them to be the mellow, helpful, cheerful person. And
(04:56):
I don't judge people who fall short. I've fallen short
of many of my I you know, principles. That's why
they're principles. They're like a north star, you try for them.
But anyway, yeah, just don't let other people control your
motions to whatever extent you can.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
I had a little situation at the airport coming back where,
and it's like, you know, when you go to the
doctor and they send you your little after visit summary,
and it's it's in doctor jargon, so you usually will
like write them and be.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Like, Hi, what the hell does any of this mean?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
So they took our plane out of service, like ten
minutes before we're supposed to board. So she comes on
over the loudspeaker, Oh, yeah, if you're a traveling uh,
we have taken your plane out of service. And then
she followed it with we hope to be getting another plane,
but if you need answers right now, please go to
our website to check for further options. And we all
(05:49):
looked at each other and went, what on planet Earth
does that mean? And I found that they're getting a
little more vague, like they just don't want to like
if they don't have answers, they just kind of start
allaying you and like filling in language.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Oh you know that's so funny because I'm listening to
you closely. I'm wearing expensive headphones, and you got done
with that sentence, and I'm like, did I miss something? Yeah?
What if I if I if I, If I want answers,
I can what.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
If I want? If you need answers about your flight now,
please go to our website to find your other options.
And I swear to you, every single person that was
with an eyesight of me, we all made this like
eye contact, like what is she to say? Immediately, forty
people rushed the booth to start answering questions right, And
it was that situation where one woman was very calm
(06:38):
and talking to a couple, and this other woman, the
one that was speaking the gibberish, was like, I need
a line right here in front of me. It's just like,
oh god, we're going back to the.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Bar well on the boy on the choosing two demeanors.
What works for me, when it does work, is if
I being selfish works for me, the most selfish, which
thing I can do is to go with the relaxed,
cheerful out that's better for me, whether it's better for
other people and it is better for other people, but
it's better for me. It's not gonna speed anything up.
For me to be angry about it or to make
(07:12):
other people unhappy, that makes things worse. It makes everything worse.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Well, and just a little gentle advice for the young folks.
As a guy who's engaged in many, many, many of
these things, from negotiations to disagreements to solving problems, you
can always go to Dick. You've always got that option. Yeah,
don't start with Dick.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
I almost wish I could like travel around to TSA
and talk to people, because I think I could do
them a favor by like pointing it out. They might
be caught in it and not even realize it. You're
making your I mean, maybe you've realized you can't deal
with the public. Maybe you ought to find a different job,
or you should approach it this way, because you're making
yourself miserable and for no gain, for no gain toever.
(08:00):
It's not gonna speed up the line. It's not gonna
make your day better.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Yeah, the next time I encounter one of those people,
I'm gonna go, oh, I see you start. You started
with Dick today, did you?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
That's what she chose right to the Dick card.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
You know, Jack, you got to dress That's why people
go to their driveways. That's that's a lot of TSA people.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
He held back on going to Dick for a long
time until finally she.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
You driving you anyway, Jack, you gotta dress up as
a monk, uh to go to the TSA and minister
to those poor bastards.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I got the hairstyle and help them with their yeah
and their struggles.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Speaking of security and that sort of thing. I thought
this was pretty interesting. The discussion was about Trump saying
do we have the Trump audio Andy Michael about Alcatraz?
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Nobody's ever escaped from Alcatraz and just represented something uh
strong having to do with law and order. We need
lawn oril in this country, and so we're going to
look at it. Some of the people up here are
going to be working very hard on that, and we
had a little conversation. I think it's going to be
very interesting. We'll see if we can bring it back
(09:14):
in large form. Add a lot, but I think it
represents something right now. It's a big hulk that's sitting there,
rusting and rotting.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Very Uh.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
You look at it, it's sort of. You saw that
picture that was put out. Its sort of amazing, but
it sort of represents something that's both horrible and beautiful
and strong and miserable weak. It's got a lot of
it's got a lot of qualities that are interesting, and
I think.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
They make a point.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I have you ever launched into a rift and realized
that way through this is not working at all?
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I'll bet I can save it. It's a floor wax
and a dessert topping.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Anyway, Trump talking about Alcatraz, it is funny that he
was essentially confessing that it It's just such a great
symbol of being a hard ass blah blah blah, which
is what he wanted.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
And it got out into the main into the bloodstream
once again, that he's a hard ass on crime, which
is what he wanted. And somebody probably said to him
it can't be done. He thought, okay, and never thought
about it again since then, right, and never will.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Right. But I found this interesting from its beginning. The
San Francisco prison was an expensive pr stunt for the
cinematically minded public, a way of showing that the Feds
were getting tough. You perhaps remember that a constitutional amendment
a stupid one banned alcohol, and it had fueled the
rise of organized crime in the nineteen twenties. At the
(10:38):
same time, the popularity of automobiles is getaway cars turned
largely local crimes like robbery and kidnapping into interstate offenses,
and so all of a sudden they had this explosion
in federal crimes.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
So a federal prison was.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Needed that really looked the part, and Alcatraz stood ready
for its close up, towering out post on a craggy
aisle surrounded by white capped seas. So was it just
a rocky island out there in San Francisco before Alcatraze
with nothing on it?
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Don't know that? Oh oh oh, it gets to that
in just a second. Anyway.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Unlike other obsolete military out posts, Oh okay, there you
have it, this one was in plain view of a
bustling city full of journalists ready to hype its story,
which premiered in nineteen thirty four. Among the new prisons
first inmates were Chicago mob boss al Capone, wasting away
from syphilis, and Alvin Carpus, whose name I don't know
with a K, the last person to be designated Public
(11:38):
Enemy number one FBI impresario Jay Edgar Hoover had personally
stage managed Carpus's arrest part of his image polishing project
to turn a pudgy DC paper pusher into America's toughest
g man. As Hoover was, you know, a well known
publicity hunt, but minus its celebrity occupants, Alcatraz was a
(12:02):
pretty average prison, no more fearsome than other maximum security
who's goals, and indeed some inmates preferred it to their
previous assignments because the cells were single occupancy, and one
long time inmate, Robert Stroud, was even allowed to keep Patsy's,
the famous bird Man of Alcatraz of the film. But
Alcatraz cost a fortune to operate. Harsh conditions, wind, surf,
(12:25):
and salt shortened the life spans of buildings and equipment,
and as the depression ended in the Bay Area boomed,
labor costs for guards and other staffers rose steeply. Virtually
everything the prisoners and their keepers needed had to be
ferried to the island on boats and barges, including nearly
a million gallons of water per week, wow, plus tons
(12:47):
of food and fuel for the generators. A scant twenty
five years after Alcatraz opened, the FEDS began hatching plans
to close it. Prisoners were just as secure at the
federal prison in Atlanta for one third the cost, a
study concluded. At the time, the Bureau of Prisons broke
ground on a new maximum security facility in rural Illinois,
and when it was completed in sixty three, Alcatraz was
(13:10):
relegated to its legend, which is absorbed daily by tourists
and on TV by impressionable old men. They say, hinting
that Trump is one of them, and then they mentioned that, uh,
the federal government already has a lock up four more,
far more secure, remote, and intimidating than an Alcatraz. Ever,
was the super max prison near Florence, Colorado.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah. There there are people claiming that Alcatraz played on
TNT like Saturday Night at eleven or something, and they
think Trump was flipping through and saw it. I don't
know if that's true or not.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Yeah, the rock was it Alcatraz or Alcatraz?
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I can't remember. What's the one with Clint Eastwood in
it where he escapes escape from Alcatraz. That's a good
one with the Orangutang.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah, there's no one there are no great apes in
this one boxes an orangutang on a.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Gutras for his freedom.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
That's right, as I recall, And everybody dances, even though
the mayor is a fundamentalist. And a great.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Movie the Rock Well, I guess that's it. Everybody dances.
A life's lesson from the TSA. It's one more thing.
I'm one more.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
And then we're gonna let people over arbitrary things they
can't possibly know in advance.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
We're also going to talk about the idea of reopening Alcatraz, which,
ah rock, I assume Katie, you grew up in the
Bay Area. You've done Alcatraz?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
No a million times?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Did they do? Used to do school trips and stuff? Yeah,
we did.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I believe it was summer camp where we did the
trips out there.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah, I went on one too. Yeah. The night tour
is awesome. Oh really, I've heard. Oh I wish i'd
done that.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Should have done that before they opened the back up.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Now you got to like do federal crimes to get
the night tour if you know it's not going to
turn into a prison again. More on that in a moment.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Get to that in a second. So my life lesson
from the TSA. I've thought about this quite a bit.
I know I mentioned this on their air in a
while back, but I see it almost every time I fly.
Now you just flew, didn't you, Katy? You observed this.
I saw very starkly, side by side two people handle
(01:10):
human beings a different way, and have attempted to commit
myself to one way and not the other way. It was,
we're just waiting in line. Is a crowded day at security,
and you know, the booths open up where they take
your driver's license, and you're waiting in line, and there
are two of them, and the one guy would say next, next, next, next,
(01:36):
like if he didn't get your attention right away, and
then the other person would say ready for the next person, Hey, honey,
we're ready for you now, accomplishing exactly the same thing.
One of them was furiously angry and making other people
they interacted with have worse days. The other one was
(01:59):
happy and making other people have a better day, accomplishing
exactly the same thing, although I would say probably with
much less energy expelled the happy, cheerful person than the
angry person. And I've seen this happen many times now
at TSA. Now that I observe it, two people in line,
you got the you don't have to take off your
shoes versus no need to take off your shoes, sweetheart,
(02:22):
exactly the same message. The one is just as easy
as in fact, it's easier to go with the nice one,
and I've tried to employ that with my kids with
everything that I'm doing now, just because it's just obviously
on a million levels, a better way to live your life, certainly, yeow.
And it's amazing how many people, and I've done this
(02:43):
myself plenty of times. We're just out of your frustration
or whatever. You're making your life worse, You're making other
people's lives worse. You're like probably shaving seconds off of
your life by being angry. It's just completely self defeating.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
So, Katie, when I was a fairly young lad, had
my sainted mother go ahead, Gladys, why not?
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Uh hey, glad, it's a little faster on the harm
to see I just did it.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Oh lord, no, see you're still a work in progress. Yeah.
So I was a fairly young lad when my I
think I was explaining why I had behaved so badly
and whether it was my sister or something else. I
had told my mom that they just made me so mad,
(03:28):
and and my lovely gentle mother said essentially, and I'm paraphrasing,
because she made it, you know, understandable for a kid
of my age is probably seven or eight. At that point,
she explained she said, why would you let them have
that power over you? And I'm like, wait what she said?
It's it's your emotions. Don't let other people drive you
(03:49):
to one or the other. Be aware of the way
you're feeling and and and be responsible for.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Your own feelings.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
And you know I'm not Saint Francis of ASSISI over here,
mister s I mean, uh, and neither is anybody else.
The two great influences in my life, right to two examples,
and mister Spock right. But yeah, that that guy, the
TSA guy, was letting his frustration with the general public
(04:18):
not towing the line the way he thought ruin.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
His day, probably every day.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Well right, Uh, terrible for his emotions, terrible for his body.
I mean just everything about that interchange is unhealthy for everybody.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
And unhappiness to other people.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, well right, and as the other person illustrated so clearly, uh,
it's not necessary. Now. I will also say this, having
raised three children from a conception to adulthood, some people
are born wound up tight and it's a lot harder
for them to be the mellow, helpful, cheerful person. And
(04:56):
I don't judge people who fall short. I've fallen short
of many of my I you know, principles. That's why
they're principles. They're like a north star, you try for them.
But anyway, yeah, just don't let other people control your
motions to whatever extent you can.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
I had a little situation at the airport coming back where,
and it's like, you know, when you go to the
doctor and they send you your little after visit summary,
and it's it's in doctor jargon, so you usually will
like write them and be.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Like, Hi, what the hell does any of this mean?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
So they took our plane out of service, like ten
minutes before we're supposed to board. So she comes on
over the loudspeaker, Oh, yeah, if you're a traveling uh,
we have taken your plane out of service. And then
she followed it with we hope to be getting another plane,
but if you need answers right now, please go to
our website to check for further options. And we all
(05:49):
looked at each other and went, what on planet Earth
does that mean? And I found that they're getting a
little more vague, like they just don't want to like
if they don't have answers, they just kind of start
allaying you and like filling in language.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Oh you know that's so funny because I'm listening to
you closely. I'm wearing expensive headphones, and you got done
with that sentence, and I'm like, did I miss something? Yeah?
What if I if I if I, If I want answers,
I can what.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
If I want? If you need answers about your flight now,
please go to our website to find your other options.
And I swear to you, every single person that was
with an eyesight of me, we all made this like
eye contact, like what is she to say? Immediately, forty
people rushed the booth to start answering questions right, And
it was that situation where one woman was very calm
(06:38):
and talking to a couple, and this other woman, the
one that was speaking the gibberish, was like, I need
a line right here in front of me. It's just like,
oh god, we're going back to the.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Bar well on the boy on the choosing two demeanors.
What works for me, when it does work, is if
I being selfish works for me, the most selfish, which
thing I can do is to go with the relaxed,
cheerful out that's better for me, whether it's better for
other people and it is better for other people, but
it's better for me. It's not gonna speed anything up.
For me to be angry about it or to make
(07:12):
other people unhappy, that makes things worse. It makes everything worse.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Well, and just a little gentle advice for the young folks.
As a guy who's engaged in many, many, many of
these things, from negotiations to disagreements to solving problems, you
can always go to Dick. You've always got that option. Yeah,
don't start with Dick.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
I almost wish I could like travel around to TSA
and talk to people, because I think I could do
them a favor by like pointing it out. They might
be caught in it and not even realize it. You're
making your I mean, maybe you've realized you can't deal
with the public. Maybe you ought to find a different job,
or you should approach it this way, because you're making
yourself miserable and for no gain, for no gain toever.
(08:00):
It's not gonna speed up the line. It's not gonna
make your day better.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Yeah, the next time I encounter one of those people,
I'm gonna go, oh, I see you start. You started
with Dick today, did you?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
That's what she chose right to the Dick card.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
You know, Jack, you got to dress That's why people
go to their driveways. That's that's a lot of TSA people.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
He held back on going to Dick for a long
time until finally she.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
You driving you anyway, Jack, you gotta dress up as
a monk, uh to go to the TSA and minister
to those poor bastards.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I got the hairstyle and help them with their yeah
and their struggles.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Speaking of security and that sort of thing. I thought
this was pretty interesting. The discussion was about Trump saying
do we have the Trump audio Andy Michael about Alcatraz?
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Nobody's ever escaped from Alcatraz and just represented something uh
strong having to do with law and order. We need
lawn oril in this country, and so we're going to
look at it. Some of the people up here are
going to be working very hard on that, and we
had a little conversation. I think it's going to be
very interesting. We'll see if we can bring it back
(09:14):
in large form. Add a lot, but I think it
represents something right now. It's a big hulk that's sitting there,
rusting and rotting.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Very Uh.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
You look at it, it's sort of. You saw that
picture that was put out. Its sort of amazing, but
it sort of represents something that's both horrible and beautiful
and strong and miserable weak. It's got a lot of
it's got a lot of qualities that are interesting, and
I think.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
They make a point.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I have you ever launched into a rift and realized
that way through this is not working at all?
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I'll bet I can save it. It's a floor wax
and a dessert topping.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Anyway, Trump talking about Alcatraz, it is funny that he
was essentially confessing that it It's just such a great
symbol of being a hard ass blah blah blah, which
is what he wanted.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
And it got out into the main into the bloodstream
once again, that he's a hard ass on crime, which
is what he wanted. And somebody probably said to him
it can't be done. He thought, okay, and never thought
about it again since then, right, and never will.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Right. But I found this interesting from its beginning. The
San Francisco prison was an expensive pr stunt for the
cinematically minded public, a way of showing that the Feds
were getting tough. You perhaps remember that a constitutional amendment
a stupid one banned alcohol, and it had fueled the
rise of organized crime in the nineteen twenties. At the
(10:38):
same time, the popularity of automobiles is getaway cars turned
largely local crimes like robbery and kidnapping into interstate offenses,
and so all of a sudden they had this explosion
in federal crimes.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
So a federal prison was.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Needed that really looked the part, and Alcatraz stood ready
for its close up, towering out post on a craggy
aisle surrounded by white capped seas. So was it just
a rocky island out there in San Francisco before Alcatraze
with nothing on it?
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Don't know that? Oh oh oh, it gets to that
in just a second. Anyway.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Unlike other obsolete military out posts, Oh okay, there you
have it, this one was in plain view of a
bustling city full of journalists ready to hype its story,
which premiered in nineteen thirty four. Among the new prisons
first inmates were Chicago mob boss al Capone, wasting away
from syphilis, and Alvin Carpus, whose name I don't know
with a K, the last person to be designated Public
(11:38):
Enemy number one FBI impresario Jay Edgar Hoover had personally
stage managed Carpus's arrest part of his image polishing project
to turn a pudgy DC paper pusher into America's toughest
g man. As Hoover was, you know, a well known
publicity hunt, but minus its celebrity occupants, Alcatraz was a
(12:02):
pretty average prison, no more fearsome than other maximum security
who's goals, and indeed some inmates preferred it to their
previous assignments because the cells were single occupancy, and one
long time inmate, Robert Stroud, was even allowed to keep Patsy's,
the famous bird Man of Alcatraz of the film. But
Alcatraz cost a fortune to operate. Harsh conditions, wind, surf,
(12:25):
and salt shortened the life spans of buildings and equipment,
and as the depression ended in the Bay Area boomed,
labor costs for guards and other staffers rose steeply. Virtually
everything the prisoners and their keepers needed had to be
ferried to the island on boats and barges, including nearly
a million gallons of water per week, wow, plus tons
(12:47):
of food and fuel for the generators. A scant twenty
five years after Alcatraz opened, the FEDS began hatching plans
to close it. Prisoners were just as secure at the
federal prison in Atlanta for one third the cost, a
study concluded. At the time, the Bureau of Prisons broke
ground on a new maximum security facility in rural Illinois,
and when it was completed in sixty three, Alcatraz was
(13:10):
relegated to its legend, which is absorbed daily by tourists
and on TV by impressionable old men. They say, hinting
that Trump is one of them, and then they mentioned that, uh,
the federal government already has a lock up four more,
far more secure, remote, and intimidating than an Alcatraz. Ever,
was the super max prison near Florence, Colorado.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah. There there are people claiming that Alcatraz played on
TNT like Saturday Night at eleven or something, and they
think Trump was flipping through and saw it. I don't
know if that's true or not.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Yeah, the rock was it Alcatraz or Alcatraz?
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I can't remember. What's the one with Clint Eastwood in
it where he escapes escape from Alcatraz. That's a good
one with the Orangutang.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah, there's no one there are no great apes in
this one boxes an orangutang on a.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Gutras for his freedom.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
That's right, as I recall, And everybody dances, even though
the mayor is a fundamentalist. And a great.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Movie the Rock Well, I guess that's it. Everybody dances.
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