August 6, 2025 • 11 mins
On the Wednesday, August 6 2025 edition of The Armstrong & Getty One More Thing podcast...
- Jack & Joe experienced a very, very good biz meeting.
- Jack has a new hobby!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I thought that was the starboard. One more thing, I'm
strong and getty. One more thing, did you say starbursts
starboard as opposed to ports. We will get to my
sailing lessons here in a little bit. It's right, I'm
taking sailing lessons. That's not something I thought I would
ever say in my life. I was going to bring
(00:21):
this up. Joe and I were on a meeting yesterday,
a zoom meeting with a whole bunch of people for
a client, and everybody on there but us was in
their twenties, early thirties. They were pretty young.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yeah, the almost everybody.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Yeah, anyway, Kate, I thought this was interesting and maybe
you can relate to it since you're young. Joe and
I are because of our schedule and everything like that
and our personalities. We both won luckily, very rarely have
to go to meetings to be able to have a
career in life, and go to like one meeting of
year is pretty awesome, and then and then neither one
(00:59):
of us like them to last very long.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Fair.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Yeah, I don't know anybody who likes a nice long meeting, well,
I'll tell you.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
And yet most of them turn into that.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yes, because it really only takes one person in a
slight position of authority to drag it out anyway. So
we're on the Zoom call yesterday with a whole bunch
of twenty somethings, talked about the business we were going
to do. I don't know how many minutes. It was
in very minutes, and then somebody said, is that about it?
Can we wrap it up? And yeah? And it was over.
It was over. And I texted Joe. I said, if
(01:30):
there had been one fifty five year old salesperson on that,
we would still be talking right now. The younger generation
has no interest in just sitting around in a meaning jabberin.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Is it because they're so awkward communicating in person to people?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I mean, if that's it, I'm encouraging you. I didn't
get that sense from this crowd.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
I think it's just a they don't They just don't
do the niceties. And maybe that's a bad thing. I
don't know, but they didn't feel any need. Joe and
I've sensed over the years there's a certain belief, especially
by whoever called the meeting, it can't get over too
quick or that kind of like makes it seem like
we shouldn't have had a meeting, I mean.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Or it's not respectful to just come in, take care
of stuff and leave. Now, in some cultures that would
be incredibly disrespectful.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Cultures will do.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
No small talk, no chat. No, you would never do that.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Cultures like some of the most successful businesses on earth,
both Elon Musk and Steve Jobs, very famous for barely
having any meetings. And when they have them, they're.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Quick, right, Steve Jobs famously nobody's allowed to sit down.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Or was it we're gonna check the boxes and go.
I don't remember if his Musk or Jobs, but it
was always can this be an email when somebody would
talk about a meeting? Yeah, which I've often wondered, how
many meetings have you been to where you thought this
could have been a group email? So easily?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Well, and for what it's worth, just getting back to
that video conference, I emerge from it thinking, boy, those
people are really sharp and good at their jobs.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
There was efficient, it was not, and of course, you know,
getting back to our personalities, you know, the one thing
that dawned on me crystal clear early in our careers
where we did have to go to a fair number
of meetings was the great divide between people whose job
is accomplishing something and people whose job is being somewhere
(03:25):
for a set amount of time and maybe they accomplished something,
because you know the nature of our thing is we
just we work until we can't stand to work anymore,
and we try to do a good show and get
rating and blah blah blah. But if you're leaving at five,
no matter how much you've gotten done, or whether you've
worked hard or just coasted or whatever, you're going to
(03:46):
prolong that meeting as long as you possibly can.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
It might be the best part of your day.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Oh yeah, exactly, sit around chatting with coworkers and laughing
and you're not focused, you're not working or anything.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
So yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
It was always that sort of person who prolonged the meetings. Meanwhile,
a lot of the salespeople like had to sell to
survive or like, can we get out of here please?
The good ones.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Anyway, I remember being in a meeting this had to
have been like twelve years ago, and one of the
guys who I was talking to, and when I'm saying
a meeting, I was the youngest person in this room
by like twenty five years. Everybody in there was probably
fifty five or above, and it was being run by
somebody in their seventies.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
And I was talking to the guy and.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
He was like, I think these people are still back
in the day where we couldn't just like text somebody
or email somebody your question after the meeting, so everybody
felt like they had to get it out right then.
And I thought that was kind of an interesting element,
because yeah, a lot of us it's like, okay, oh,
I'll ask Like if I have a question, I'll just
ask him later.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I used to always say, and I still believe it.
I've been to like two meetings in my life that needed
to happen. It couldn't have been a phone call or
an email. No, oh boy, do you think there's a
go ahead? I was just gonna say, I.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Try to be honest about what is what seems to
me to be right or good or better, just because
of being something of an introvert. And I don't like
small talk. I don't like pretending to be chummy with
people apparently you know, and other people are not made
that way. Like you know, we have friends, I'll keep
(05:23):
it vake who are like way down the road of
being individualists who don't need like any associations and friends
and support and whatever. And it's a blind spot because
they don't understand. No, like eighty five percent of the
population is not made that way, So the way you
see the world is never going to work. And I
(05:43):
try to be you know, fair about that, because there
are people who are energized and given joy by being
in a meeting for a longer time because they're with
other people.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
That explains that part of it. But does it explain
why a company that's is to make a certain amount
of money and then make more of the next quarter
allows that do that in your own time? Yeah? Yeah,
in your social life.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I think it's because most people are introverts and introvert
I'm sorry, are extroverts and extroverts think their normal and
introverts are weird.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Before we move on to Port and Starboard, Katie is
the youngest person there. Does it make any sense to
you our idea that if there had been one older
person there it would have lasted twice as long.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I didn't want to say it, but yeah, probably, yep.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I think the young crowds like we're done.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
It's always the old guy when they say does anybody
have any questions that decides to stand up and say, yeah,
I have a question, And then everybody looks at him
and says.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
You know, my favorite thing in any meeting, my favorite
thing of all is the person that comes in late
and then asks skoshed about something that was already covered,
and then they covered again for everybody else that's already
heard it.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Right, Everybody kind of looks around awkwardly for a minute,
then bunches into it again. Have the confidence, America humanity
to say we covered that before you got there. We
can talk after the amount of time that doesn't effing happen.
It makes me insane, It makes me militant. They are
like crimes against humanity that pissed me off less than
when the moderator of a meeting just looks around like, well,
(07:20):
there's nothing else I can do but waste everybody else's
time by repeating all this.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
So here we go.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
God, I want to assault people.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Okay, so I'll keep this brief. Since the last the
lessons actually didn't happen, So I signed up for these
sailing lessons and I was all excited.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Three things rum sodomy and the lash, the worst moose
are the three things that kept order in the British Navy.
And if they're good enough for the Great British Navy,
they're good enough for your sailboat.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Jack. The disappointing thing was, even though the teacher didn't
show up, I still got scurvy. I thought I could
avoid it, and I got buggered.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Another day, another buggery.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
So I live next to this little man made lake
and they people sail on it, and they were doing lessons,
and I thought one I've always kind of wanted to
do that. I'm not really into boats, but I've always
liked the idea of sailing, just because it's so ancient
and the way human beings, you know, got out of
their continents and traveled the world. AnyWho, I thought it
(08:29):
tacked these little sailing lessons, and I thought maybe because
they got the boats there. We live right next to
the little lake, they got the boats there. If I
learned how to do this, maybe Henry and I could
go out and start doing that. Maybe good bah bah
bah love it another thing for a kid to learn
how to do. Unfortunately, somehow they missed my email or whatever,
and nobody else signed up for the class. So the
instructor didn't think there was anybody for the class. So
I wear it around for a while. The instructor didn't
(08:49):
show up, But in two weeks I'm going to do it.
What I find funny is it's a two hour class,
two days in a row, so Saturday and Sunday noon
to two, and then they give you a certificate. I
don't know how the certificate is gonna certificate of what
a certificate of? You have completed the four our class
with this person at this little lake, with this boat.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Say for the ocean. Well, now you can present that
certificate at the security card for the ocean. Tell no,
this is fine, I'm certified.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Exactly who do I show this certificate too? And in
what circumstance?
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Sail around the world and then show them your certificate?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Jack, you got a frame? Yo yo, yo, yo yo.
You you can't just walk in this marina and grab
a boat at oh oh, you have the certificate. I'm sorry, sir,
help yourself, yes, sir, or.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Perhaps I get some of those Somali pirates. I'm the coptain.
Now I just show them my certificate and.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
It's beautiful. Now you famously refuse to don short pants
and you're always wearing Okay, I'm swim gear because that's
a special.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Jeans that you swim. Oh, like we're in Florida. I
got swim trunks and a swim shirt and something to
cover my head because if I'm out there for two hours, man,
their opportunity to get burnt really exists.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Are they jorts?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
They're not jeorts?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
But and do you have rubber sold cowboy boots since
you usually wear cowboy boats address I do, otherwise you'll
slip and crack your head open.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Well. I was there the other day lifting weights and
I saw one of the I saw some kids out
there on one of the sailboats and it flipped over
in the water, and so I went into the office.
I said, Hey, the sailboat just flipped over it. I
don't know. Is that something to be worried about it?
And they said, no, they teach you in that in
the class, you flip over the sailboat on purpose to
show you how to get it back upright again and
everything like that. I thought, okay, so I will be
(10:41):
getting wet, I guess. But of course, because of the
way I am, having not even taken the classes, yet
I'm on Facebook marketplace shopping for sailboats and planning giant
excursions and all this sort of seah exactly having not
even gotten on this twelve foot sail boat in a
man made lake with no wind. Well, there's a guy.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Who went on a long screen about the evils of
TV and how he should give it up, then showed
up with the biggest TV I've ever seen in my life.
Two days later, I could see you like buying one
hundred and fifty foot still boat. Yeah, I'll be announcing you.
You'll be back in six weeks.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
I'll start wearing the hat all the time Paris. That's
a must.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
You can always go pirate, eye patch, peg leg hook
for a hand. Probably the eye patch is the easiest.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Well, I guess that's it. I would say it is
I thought that was the starboard. One more thing, I'm
strong and getty. One more thing, did you say starbursts
starboard as opposed to ports. We will get to my
sailing lessons here in a little bit. It's right, I'm
taking sailing lessons. That's not something I thought I would
ever say in my life. I was going to bring
(00:21):
this up. Joe and I were on a meeting yesterday,
a zoom meeting with a whole bunch of people for
a client, and everybody on there but us was in
their twenties, early thirties. They were pretty young.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yeah, the almost everybody.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Yeah, anyway, Kate, I thought this was interesting and maybe
you can relate to it since you're young. Joe and
I are because of our schedule and everything like that
and our personalities. We both won luckily, very rarely have
to go to meetings to be able to have a
career in life, and go to like one meeting of
year is pretty awesome, and then and then neither one
(00:59):
of us like them to last very long.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Fair.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Yeah, I don't know anybody who likes a nice long meeting, well,
I'll tell you.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
And yet most of them turn into that.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yes, because it really only takes one person in a
slight position of authority to drag it out anyway. So
we're on the Zoom call yesterday with a whole bunch
of twenty somethings, talked about the business we were going
to do. I don't know how many minutes. It was
in very minutes, and then somebody said, is that about it?
Can we wrap it up? And yeah? And it was over.
It was over. And I texted Joe. I said, if
(01:30):
there had been one fifty five year old salesperson on that,
we would still be talking right now. The younger generation
has no interest in just sitting around in a meaning jabberin.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Is it because they're so awkward communicating in person to people?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I mean, if that's it, I'm encouraging you. I didn't
get that sense from this crowd.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
I think it's just a they don't They just don't
do the niceties. And maybe that's a bad thing. I
don't know, but they didn't feel any need. Joe and
I've sensed over the years there's a certain belief, especially
by whoever called the meeting, it can't get over too
quick or that kind of like makes it seem like
we shouldn't have had a meeting, I mean.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Or it's not respectful to just come in, take care
of stuff and leave. Now, in some cultures that would
be incredibly disrespectful.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Cultures will do.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
No small talk, no chat. No, you would never do that.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Cultures like some of the most successful businesses on earth,
both Elon Musk and Steve Jobs, very famous for barely
having any meetings. And when they have them, they're.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Quick, right, Steve Jobs famously nobody's allowed to sit down.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Or was it we're gonna check the boxes and go.
I don't remember if his Musk or Jobs, but it
was always can this be an email when somebody would
talk about a meeting? Yeah, which I've often wondered, how
many meetings have you been to where you thought this
could have been a group email? So easily?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Well, and for what it's worth, just getting back to
that video conference, I emerge from it thinking, boy, those
people are really sharp and good at their jobs.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
There was efficient, it was not, and of course, you know,
getting back to our personalities, you know, the one thing
that dawned on me crystal clear early in our careers
where we did have to go to a fair number
of meetings was the great divide between people whose job
is accomplishing something and people whose job is being somewhere
(03:25):
for a set amount of time and maybe they accomplished something,
because you know the nature of our thing is we
just we work until we can't stand to work anymore,
and we try to do a good show and get
rating and blah blah blah. But if you're leaving at five,
no matter how much you've gotten done, or whether you've
worked hard or just coasted or whatever, you're going to
(03:46):
prolong that meeting as long as you possibly can.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
It might be the best part of your day.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Oh yeah, exactly, sit around chatting with coworkers and laughing
and you're not focused, you're not working or anything.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
So yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
It was always that sort of person who prolonged the meetings. Meanwhile,
a lot of the salespeople like had to sell to
survive or like, can we get out of here please?
The good ones.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Anyway, I remember being in a meeting this had to
have been like twelve years ago, and one of the
guys who I was talking to, and when I'm saying
a meeting, I was the youngest person in this room
by like twenty five years. Everybody in there was probably
fifty five or above, and it was being run by
somebody in their seventies.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
And I was talking to the guy and.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
He was like, I think these people are still back
in the day where we couldn't just like text somebody
or email somebody your question after the meeting, so everybody
felt like they had to get it out right then.
And I thought that was kind of an interesting element,
because yeah, a lot of us it's like, okay, oh,
I'll ask Like if I have a question, I'll just
ask him later.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I used to always say, and I still believe it.
I've been to like two meetings in my life that needed
to happen. It couldn't have been a phone call or
an email. No, oh boy, do you think there's a
go ahead? I was just gonna say, I.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Try to be honest about what is what seems to
me to be right or good or better, just because
of being something of an introvert. And I don't like
small talk. I don't like pretending to be chummy with
people apparently you know, and other people are not made
that way. Like you know, we have friends, I'll keep
(05:23):
it vake who are like way down the road of
being individualists who don't need like any associations and friends
and support and whatever. And it's a blind spot because
they don't understand. No, like eighty five percent of the
population is not made that way, So the way you
see the world is never going to work. And I
(05:43):
try to be you know, fair about that, because there
are people who are energized and given joy by being
in a meeting for a longer time because they're with
other people.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
That explains that part of it. But does it explain
why a company that's is to make a certain amount
of money and then make more of the next quarter
allows that do that in your own time? Yeah? Yeah,
in your social life.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I think it's because most people are introverts and introvert
I'm sorry, are extroverts and extroverts think their normal and
introverts are weird.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Before we move on to Port and Starboard, Katie is
the youngest person there. Does it make any sense to
you our idea that if there had been one older
person there it would have lasted twice as long.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I didn't want to say it, but yeah, probably, yep.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I think the young crowds like we're done.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
It's always the old guy when they say does anybody
have any questions that decides to stand up and say, yeah,
I have a question, And then everybody looks at him
and says.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
You know, my favorite thing in any meeting, my favorite
thing of all is the person that comes in late
and then asks skoshed about something that was already covered,
and then they covered again for everybody else that's already
heard it.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Right, Everybody kind of looks around awkwardly for a minute,
then bunches into it again. Have the confidence, America humanity
to say we covered that before you got there. We
can talk after the amount of time that doesn't effing happen.
It makes me insane, It makes me militant. They are
like crimes against humanity that pissed me off less than
when the moderator of a meeting just looks around like, well,
(07:20):
there's nothing else I can do but waste everybody else's
time by repeating all this.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
So here we go.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
God, I want to assault people.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Okay, so I'll keep this brief. Since the last the
lessons actually didn't happen, So I signed up for these
sailing lessons and I was all excited.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Three things rum sodomy and the lash, the worst moose
are the three things that kept order in the British Navy.
And if they're good enough for the Great British Navy,
they're good enough for your sailboat.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Jack. The disappointing thing was, even though the teacher didn't
show up, I still got scurvy. I thought I could
avoid it, and I got buggered.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Another day, another buggery.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
So I live next to this little man made lake
and they people sail on it, and they were doing lessons,
and I thought one I've always kind of wanted to
do that. I'm not really into boats, but I've always
liked the idea of sailing, just because it's so ancient
and the way human beings, you know, got out of
their continents and traveled the world. AnyWho, I thought it
(08:29):
tacked these little sailing lessons, and I thought maybe because
they got the boats there. We live right next to
the little lake, they got the boats there. If I
learned how to do this, maybe Henry and I could
go out and start doing that. Maybe good bah bah
bah love it another thing for a kid to learn
how to do. Unfortunately, somehow they missed my email or whatever,
and nobody else signed up for the class. So the
instructor didn't think there was anybody for the class. So
I wear it around for a while. The instructor didn't
(08:49):
show up, But in two weeks I'm going to do it.
What I find funny is it's a two hour class,
two days in a row, so Saturday and Sunday noon
to two, and then they give you a certificate. I
don't know how the certificate is gonna certificate of what
a certificate of? You have completed the four our class
with this person at this little lake, with this boat.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Say for the ocean. Well, now you can present that
certificate at the security card for the ocean. Tell no,
this is fine, I'm certified.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Exactly who do I show this certificate too? And in
what circumstance?
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Sail around the world and then show them your certificate?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Jack, you got a frame? Yo yo, yo, yo yo.
You you can't just walk in this marina and grab
a boat at oh oh, you have the certificate. I'm sorry, sir,
help yourself, yes, sir, or.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Perhaps I get some of those Somali pirates. I'm the coptain.
Now I just show them my certificate and.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
It's beautiful. Now you famously refuse to don short pants
and you're always wearing Okay, I'm swim gear because that's
a special.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Jeans that you swim. Oh, like we're in Florida. I
got swim trunks and a swim shirt and something to
cover my head because if I'm out there for two hours, man,
their opportunity to get burnt really exists.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Are they jorts?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
They're not jeorts?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
But and do you have rubber sold cowboy boots since
you usually wear cowboy boats address I do, otherwise you'll
slip and crack your head open.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Well. I was there the other day lifting weights and
I saw one of the I saw some kids out
there on one of the sailboats and it flipped over
in the water, and so I went into the office.
I said, Hey, the sailboat just flipped over it. I
don't know. Is that something to be worried about it?
And they said, no, they teach you in that in
the class, you flip over the sailboat on purpose to
show you how to get it back upright again and
everything like that. I thought, okay, so I will be
(10:41):
getting wet, I guess. But of course, because of the
way I am, having not even taken the classes, yet
I'm on Facebook marketplace shopping for sailboats and planning giant
excursions and all this sort of seah exactly having not
even gotten on this twelve foot sail boat in a
man made lake with no wind. Well, there's a guy.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Who went on a long screen about the evils of
TV and how he should give it up, then showed
up with the biggest TV I've ever seen in my life.
Two days later, I could see you like buying one
hundred and fifty foot still boat. Yeah, I'll be announcing you.
You'll be back in six weeks.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
I'll start wearing the hat all the time Paris. That's
a must.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
You can always go pirate, eye patch, peg leg hook
for a hand. Probably the eye patch is the easiest.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Well, I guess that's it. I would say it is
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