Nothing Matters and What If It Did???

First, RFK Jr. & Sec Def Pete Hegseth do a fitness challenge.  Next, Seinfeld reveals his latest obsession.  Finally, Joe details the value of psychedelics!  

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Nothing matters and what if it did? It's one more thing.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm strong. One more thing.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
That's the name of a John Cougar Mellencamp album, isn't it?
Is that the name of an album?

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Yes, it's absolutely an album.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Nothing matters and what if it did?

Speaker 2 (00:20):
It is checking? Is that John Mellenhead? I think as
we used to call him back in the Midwest. Yep,
but it's melonhead.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
But before we get to nothing matters and what if
it did?

Speaker 2 (00:32):
R F.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
K Junior, our Secretary of Health and something or other
and Pete Hegzet the Second Deaf, had a bit of
a fitness challenge thing they were doing yesterday to try
to get the whole presidential fitness thing off and running
and emphasize fitness. Here's a little bit about that.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Him, Robert John Jr.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
You're the secretary, I mean here was secretary exists in
the Department of Avez.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
So we had our big, big big body challenge today.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Fifty pull ups, one hundred pushups you can try to
get under five minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
How'd you ever got close? Twenty five? You were right
behind me, so uh the numbers on that if you
didn't catch him. Fifty pull ups, which would take me
a month. Yeah, and one hundred pushups, which I could
do in uh, you know, in a half an hour,
probably in under five minutes. He didn't quite get there. Now,

(01:37):
Pete hegseeth is forty five and in super shape and
was doing pull ups and everything like that. Still, you know, impressive,
but freaking RFK junior seventy one and I was watching
him crank out those pull ups. Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Well he's a roid.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Boy, right, yeah, but still he's seventy one.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
And he's wearing jeans, and he's wearing jeans at the
gym like I do at the gym. Right, those most.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Who believe in wearing dungarees to the gymnasium, yes, were
you wearing cowboy boots as well to the gym? I
was not.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
I was wearing gymnasium shuresses and leave the boots. Yes.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
The problem with setting the standards too high. I feel
like this is what the presidential fitness thing was like
when we were kids. You set a standard that nobody
can get. It's something you learn with goal setting business.
If you can't reach the goal, it's meaningless. You don't
motivate anybody to do anything. And like, if you have
a goal of fifty pull ups, I don't like work
toward it. I just think, screw it. I'm never going
to be able to do it. So you have to

(02:32):
have a realistic goal for crime out loud. I would agree, yes,
certainly sub goals that you can reach. It was funny though,
I mentioned during the end of the radio show that
I'm watching Quarterback on Netflix. Their charming Peyton Manning produced
you know, documentary on NFL quarterbacks. They like highlight three
of them per season and follow them through the season, the.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Ups and downs and injuries and stuff like that. Truly
couldn't compel this season, oh, the most recent season. Joe
Burrow of the Cincinnati Bengals. I'm handsome as can be.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
I'm a Borough fan.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Uh yeah, me too, A really interesting guy. Uh, you're
putting me on the spot here. It was with the Rams.
Now with the Detroit Lions doing great, got traded for
Matthew Stafford. Michael helped me here. I can see the face.
I can't. I know me too, me too. It'll wait.
They ja Red Goff. They chant his name all around

(03:32):
the city. They chant whenever they see him, Jared Goff.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
That's interesting that you couldn't remember, but when you chanted,
you could remember.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah, well yeah, well that's why people you can remember
stuff set to music. And then the third one is
a handsome fella used to be quarterback from Minnesota's Now
with Atlanta Square jawed Christian uh Father Kirk Cousins Cousins,
thank you very much, Michael. Anyway, I can't remember which
it might have been. Cousins said, I pursue perfection. Maybe

(04:08):
it wasn't Cousin. It doesn't matter. I sue perfection because
pursuing perfection is the only way you get to excellence. Interesting,
but that's different than a number of push ups. It's
just thought. I thought of that when you brought that up. Well,
I think it's and I'd rather not say this out

(04:29):
loud because of the derision it will and should bring.
But obviously, if you're doing I don't know, a podcast
or radio show, you're trying to make it perfect so
that it's excellent. It will never be perfect, that's clear.
Eliminate all mistakes and f ups and boring parts and
the rest of that's the goal, clearly.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Huh, where were we?

Speaker 2 (04:52):
I can't even do a pull up? Can you believe
that I'm doing a lot of assisted pull ups. You
ever seen that machine, a counterweight machine.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
I think that thing is great the same, Yeah, because
then you can at least do them. Yeah, I use
the resistance bands attached to the bar. I was going
to a fancy gym that had those machines where you
could do dips or pull ups with a little assistant. Yeah,
that was great. The gym I go to now is
pretty much just giant hunks of metal and bar, so
it doesn't have the fancy stuff. But yeah, can you just.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Go ahead and say you're in prison, Let's just be
honest about it, Jack.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Right now, he's broadcasting from cell block C. That's right
from when I defrauded an inn caper. That one time
I went to two movies for one price a dark Day, Okay,
so that's that, and then this other thing I wanted
to get on here. This is a little Instagram reel
I came across a Jerry Seinfeld that I thought was

(05:54):
really interesting.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
I've always had the skill of extracting the essence of
any object I study, be it scientology, judaism, zen, yoga, meditation.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Right on this Marra Aurelius is my new one. The
Roman emperor who wrote a book called Meditations, which was
the beginning of Stoicism, and that that's my obsession now
is Marcus Aurelius. He had this fantastic philosophical observations.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
On life, and you've learned what from that.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
That everything that you're worried about is going to be
gone like that. The people that you that are criticizing you,
they're going to be gone. You're going to be gone.
All this hand ringing worry and concern over how are
people viewing me? And uh, someone said something bad about
me and you get so upset about it is wasted

(06:49):
time and energy. Marcus Aurelius says, your only focus should
be on getting better at what you're doing. Focus on
what you're doing, get better at what you're doing. Everything
else is a complete waste of time.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
I thought that was damned interesting.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah, yeah, I agree, And I'm really interested in Stoicism
and read a fair amount about it. It's interesting how Stoicism,
or like Buddhism, being you know, completely at peace and
very zen. The rest of it is not far off
of nihilism. True, it's a bit of a horseshoe theory. Thing. Yeah,

(07:28):
they all get to so much of what you worry
about doesn't matter, So stop worrying.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Is it possible to get very far down the road though,
of letting go of worrying about crap you should worry about.
And I think about it. I was thinking about this
the other day before. So I heard that Seinfeld thing
two days ago, and I've been it's been on my
mind a lot. And i'd had in the last week,
I'd seen a couple of little kids between the ages
of like two and four doing their little kid thing,

(07:56):
like in the park or at stores or whatever. Nobody
lives in the moment, like a four year old or
a two year old. I mean, they are one thousand
percent invested in what they're doing at that moment. They're
not thinking about, you know, what is the point of this,
Or it's gonna be hot this weekend or whatever, or
a lot of people think to me, you're making this

(08:16):
mud pie, yeah, Or I sure wish I had a
new car, you know, Am I going to pay that bill? Yeah? Yeah?
Or just well paying a bill at least there's something
important there. A lot of the stuff you worry about
just has no value whatsoever. I mean zero value. Is
there a reason we age out of that and can't

(08:38):
get back into it at all? As much as O
kid in the park, And I thought, God, it would
be if I could do that for ten minutes. How
refreshing would it be to be completely in the moment
without dwelling on stupid crap?

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Yeah? I think some people do return to it. Yeah. Indeed,
in older age you realize it's you know, the cliche,
but it's a good one. Is the three stages. You
worry about what other people think of you, then you
don't worry what other people are thinking of you. Then
you realize they weren't thinking of you.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yes, Michael, No, I agree with it what Joe said.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
When you get much older, you get to a point
where you don't care what you say. Oh, and that
is my favorite stage of people.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
That's why I love that. My thirteen year old keeps
talking about I can't wait till I'm old and I
can just say whatever I want. We'll walk by a
group of people, he say, you know what I would
say if I was old.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
I just love it.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Uh yeah, well there's that, but uh huh, And I
suppose it doesn't a lot of it doesn't matter anymore.
So that's one way to let go of it. It
never did matter, is the thing. It never did matter.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
That realization that it never mattered. Maybe that clicks And
if anybody else got hung up on this, because I
was thinking about it for a second or two. But
Jerry Seinfeld saying the only thing that matters is to
get better at what you are doing. To do that, well,
the obvious retort to that is all that'll be gone too.
So that's a waste of time and meaningless too. I

(10:10):
think the answer to that is no, that's really the
only true joy and satisfaction you can have.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, it's not a waste of time to pursue something
and get better at it. It's meaningless over in the
long run of history of time.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
But we just get a long run. No, you know,
we get a short run, So talk to me about
the short run. With all due respect to those who
are going to come in six hundred and fifty years,
I wish them well, but that ain't my problem.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yeah, I don't know that living in the moment. If
you've had any luck with getting better at living in
the moment, please text your email. I would like to
get better at that. I meditate all the time, like
I've talked about in the air a lot, and it's
helped a lot with like even keel and all that
sort of stuff. But living in the moment, it hasn't
improved any I don't think I want to be like
a three year old at the And all I'm thinking

(11:01):
about is how green the grass is? Not they they overwatered.
It is probably my tax money in the blood, you know,
just wherever else goes, take mushrooms. That's the answer. Take mushrooms.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
There you go. That's and that's an answer. You know.
It's funny. I've been sitting on this article for a while.
Of all people, Rick Perry, the former governor of Texas,
has become this big time, forceful advocate for It's it's
not mushrooms. I think it's eyebill gain one of your
hallucinogenic drugs.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
That's what Joe Rogan's talking about all the time.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, to treat PTSD in particular among service people, and
and and it's really interesting. It's funny because I saw
the headline the Long Strange trip of Rick Perry, the
former Texas governor and Trump Energy secretary. Oops Oopsy has
now dead, dicated his life to promoting the powerful psychedelic

(12:02):
eyebogain and I thought, wow, that's wacky, that's crazy. Is
he a lobbyist or whatever? But no, as it turns out,
it's really really interesting, and he is seriously concerned about
people because he's had some psychological problems that he never
talked about, kept it quiet like you do in politics.

(12:23):
But he's seriously concerned about veterans especially. And I will
tell you from talking to others who have experimented with
psychedelic drugs through the years, the way human beings look
at life and experiences and what we're talking about being

(12:46):
in the moment. That sort of thing is a long
set of interconnected assumptions that you never think about anymore.
They come to you automatically, and then you think the
only choice is all right, what do I do now?
Psychedelics can have a way of separating you from all

(13:09):
of those assumptions that you make every day, and you realize, wow,
a lot of what my mind has been doing has
been a choice. It just doesn't feel like a choice anymore.
And it's really helped folks with PTSD in that sort
of thing, and not just from battle but you know,

(13:30):
victims of crime and that sort of thing. You can
step outside of your own experience and think, huh, that's
not a good way to think about that, and it's
up to me to think about it differently. So anyway,
Rick Berry's real advocate for that.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Wow, I remember, like a year or so ago.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
There's an addiction too. It can really help with addiction.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
There's some sort of story about like ninety eight percent
of the thoughts you have are complete waste, like not
needed at all. There's just random crap.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Jeez.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
There should be a way to stop that, shouldn't there
If you were are behind on an oxen with a
with a metal plow two hundred years ago, did you
have random useless thoughts or were you too busy toiling?

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Well? Are you both? I think you would focus on
what you were doing, but as long as the ox
was going straight, you would daydream a lot freking crooked
ox Jesus, straighten up there, Oxy boy?

Speaker 1 (14:25):
What do you gotta pay to get an ox that
will walk straight? When I was a kid, oxens walked straight,
easy oxes. I don't know, Well, I guess that's it.