February 11, 2025 • 17 mins
Jack interviews Joe as we all celebrates a monumental birthday!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
One foot in the grave. It's one more thing. I'm so.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I understand you're going to interview me on the topic
of my milestone birthday, just so I can get prepared.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Do you have a style in mind?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Are you going to be like Scott Pelly, slow talking
and making me repeat everything? You gonna make me cry
like Ellen DeGeneres. Do you have more of Charlie Rose
approach in mind?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Katie?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Joe and I were working together. Joe and I have
basically the same birthday. My birthdays in ten days, and
I'm turning the same age, so we are in the
same reflective age situation of turning sixty. His birthday is today.
Joe and I were working together when we turned thirty,
when we turned forty, when we turned fifty, and now
(00:51):
when we turned sixty. That doesn't seem possible.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
That's amazing, but it really doesn't seem possible.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
No, particularly even the hatred of each other that we share.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Just from a time standpoint, the one thing that you
can't you can't. This is gonna be one of the
things I want to ask you about. Okay, Well, I'll
just ask you instead of giving an answer first. That
would be a dumb way to interview innovative got a
couple of questions. Okay, what does sixty feel like compared
to what you thought it would feel like when you
(01:24):
were thirty, emotionally, physically, whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Well, that that question assumes that I remember what I
thought when I was thirty, well, or any any point
when you're.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
No, I see your point.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah, I think fairly similar.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I was never never particularly afraid of aging. I've never
been particular and particularly enthusiastic about the idea either it would.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Be enthusiastic about aging past like twenty one, who would
be enthusiastic about aging?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, you know what, I think.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
One of the formative aspects of my life is that
I've always been a golf freak. And even when I
was thirty five, I played golf with guys who were
seventy who were having fun and good players, and we'd
have a couple of drinks afterward and a hoot, and
so I saw. I don't know if you'd call them
(02:26):
role models exactly, but I didn't fear that.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
You have a thought, Katie before I jump in, Oh, no,
go ahead, I'm listening.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
I'm the exact opposite. I've always assumed like when I
was in my twenties, I assumed there's no way anybody
over the age of thirty was having fun. And I
felt that way by my whole life. I thought, there's
no way you're having fun in your forties. Fifty year
olds aren't having fun. Certainly, nobody's gonna have fun in
their sixties. And if they're like smiling and laughing, like
you say, you see people they just don't remember what
fun was. This is as good as it gets for them,
(02:57):
but they're not actually having fun. If there's one thing
I'd tell younger me, well, maybe that's the question I
want to ask. If you could tell thirty year old you,
forty year old you, whatever, twenty five year old something,
what would it be?
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Now?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Okay, you know me, I quibble about every question. Does
this like include? Do you tell yourself don't quibble so much.
It's a waste of time. It could be so quibblesome
people don't like it.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Wisdom or.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I'll just stick with wisdom for now because I will
the reason I asked that question, and I can picture
it so vividly. It's causing giant emotional changes in my
brain right now. It was around and Gladys Dn't Bother
nineteen ninety eight to two thousand, two thousand and one,
when the talk show had just started, because we realized
(03:45):
we had no future in music radio.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
We were doing a talk show between the records, and
it was stupid, but.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
We'd started at our now home station in Sacramento, Toxix
fifty kst and of the forty five rated RATEEO stations
in Sacramento, it was forty fifth when we took over
the morning show, and it was taking longer than we
had hoped to really grow it, just because the mathematics
(04:13):
of it. Lord knows, we had no marketing at that time.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
I don't have you ever on a station or a show, Katie,
with no listeners, but I have you can say to
your listeners, tell your friends to tune in. But they
got no friends, they aren't listening. There's nobody to tell anybody.
I feel that's my soul.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
And we had taken a fifty percent cut and pay
to get started in talk radio. And I had three
little kids, including a baby, and I was so stressed
and so concerned that I was not going to be
successful in the one field I had chosen.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
And you know. This is not some sort of dumb,
humble brag, but I was one of.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Those kids who people would say, he has so much potential, Oh,
you could do this, or you could do that, And
here I was going to be a dead ender who
couldn't support his family.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Miserable amounts of stress. Oh. I dealt with it the
best I could. So, I mean, if I could just
whisper in my young ear, it's can work out okay that?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Oh my god, Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna blubb her.
That would have been enormously helpful. But wisdom wise, stay
out of the shun. Yeah, oh my god, yeah yeah, Hey,
the sunscreen thing. Take that seriously, dip shit. Show videos
(05:40):
of uh. I'd show videos to myself. Look at this,
and young me would say, what is that device you're holding.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I'd say, it's a cell phone. Don't worry about it anyway.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Watch this video of a dermatologist cutting a chunk out
of you.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Oh god, I'd say, what's what's your point? Why are
you doing this? I'd say, be careful with the sun. Anyway.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
It would probably be you know, it would probably be
parenting advice. You know, you never get You'll never regret
being patient. If you got to bring the hammer down,
you can bring it down in an hour. Take a while,
calm down and think about what's the smart thing to do.
Probably because I was a very young parent by modern standards.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
If you're an older parent like me, your tea is
so low you can't really get worked up about anything.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Right, don't let me take off my supplier hose and
hit you with him son.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
And you know, make me. I don't know if they
decided to run off, I couldn't catch them. So yeah,
you come back here if you'd like. Eh.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
The whole perspective on time thing, the way it changes
when you get older, it's just impossible. There's no point
in trying to explain it to somebody who's younger. Nobody
could have. I'm sure somebody tried to explain it to me.
I was like, whatever, old man, Well.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
And you can believe it, but you can't relate to it.
The idea that no five years goes by in the
blink of an eye. You have to live that. Yeah, yeah, right,
I know my kids in this.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
They've got a particular reason to feel like this because
I was an older parent. So when I was a
kid was a really long time. You know, if you
have kids in your twenties, like you, you're only talking
about a twenty year gap in now and when you
were a kid. For me, it's you know, nearly a
forty year gap or whatever it is. Yes, so they
can they really have good ammunition for what you know
(07:40):
about what high schools like is completely irrelevant to me,
But it's not. I look around their high school, I
see the stuff.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
It's the same.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Thing, really, just you know, clothes are actually exactly the same.
They're wearing the same clothes, same hairstyles as when I.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Was in high school. But so much of it is
the same.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
But you can't convince young people that you have like
really any understanding of their what they're going through.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
And between most of my child raising in yours was
the giant you know. It's like the ADBC dividing line
of smartphones. Yeah, and how that's changed everything.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
But the you know, but the wanting to have a
girlfriend and being nervous about asking them, just all that
sort of stuff is just yeah, it doesn't seem any different.
I get the but I just I remember hearing years
ago we did a big show and we turned forty, which.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Is freaking twenty years ago. I can't believe that.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
But anyway, we did a big show when we turned forty,
and I remember hearing somebody say something about I think
it was ancient wisdom, but just.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
People.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
You can tell people you know how this is going
to turn out or what your experience is shown, They're
still going to do it their way and find out
for themselves. It's just it just seems and that seems
to be way more true than not true. There's some exceptions,
but it's way more true than not true.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Yeah, there's it was very little of the.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Wisdom and conventional wisdom about conventional thinking about aging and
what you're going to go through that has not been true.
But you do have to confront it on your own
and deal with it on your own, and and it's
it's it's fine, you know.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
It's just to backtrack for one second. By standards, did
you have older, younger parents.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
At the time, Very typical. My mom was twenty four,
so twenty three or twenty four when she had my
sister than me a year later, and then in her
early thirties when she had her last kid, my little brother.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Now it was practically everybody back in the day so.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Young, ifh because I was thinking about your outlook on
life and not really being worried about aging, and I
was thinking my parents are older her standards about same
with Jack and his kids, almost forty years, and I
think that kind of made it so I do. I'm
not really worried about aging because I'm seeing them in
their older years and they're having a blast and everything's good.
You know, maybe I was wondering if I contributed, but
(10:02):
you had young parents, would have.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
To would be like similar to your story about being
around golfers. But if you're around your parents and you
see them in their sixties or seventies and doing stuff right,
I have.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
To think I would think, yeah, and oh go.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
I was just going to say in a weird way
when I was having those excruciating back problems, and I'd
say this with great sympathy to people have ongoing back problems.
Mine are much much better through a combination of never
ending physical therapy and workouts and stretching that sort of thing.
I was so miserable the last six months of being
(10:36):
like fifty eight, in the first six months of being
fifty nine, and I feel so much better now. I
feel like I've deaged five years. So the idea that
the calendar says otherwise, I just it's internally. I know
that's correct, but I feel really good. But you're doing
my recent standards.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
But you're doing that thing where they drain the blood
out of young homeless people and they put it in
your right.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Not all homeless.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Some of them have volunteers, but most of them are
homeless because they need the money.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Training the blood of the young and injecting it into
my greedy veins.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, I'm glad that's working for you. If I could
get that going, man, I would you have a question, Michael.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
No, it wasn't about this though.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
I was just thinking about the training the blood of
the homelessness, nothing about this.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
I was just thinking about what Joe said. You know,
you guys started in two thousand and that's when I started.
And I was gonna tell Katie that the show show
you how low they thought of the radio station.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
They used to tell me that, wouldn't you like to
come work on some other show or whatever? And I
refused to do it because I believed in this show.
I really did, and it drove them nuts.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
They hated me for that.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah about us them, Yeah, the bosses were like, you know,
you're pretty good talented, which Michael is obviously.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
You know you should come work over here at a
real radio station. Michael could call on not it was
a great call. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Just before we started nineteen ninety eight, they had a
serious meeting about just shutting it down and taking it
off the air to save the electricity and so they
wouldn't have to bother employee employing nice people who are
trying hard, but we weren't getting anywhere. It's like, this is
not worth the trouble. Why don't we just shut that
radio station off? And it took several years, but what
(12:17):
was it, four or five years later we were number
one in the market and have been a good bit
of the time ever since.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
That is awesome. Wouldn't want to do it again, sweetheart.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
And Katie, you know the thing that management would tell me, huh,
don't hit sounds, don't hit these clips. I don't think
we set up the call and they set up a
topic that was the really bag.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
They really tried to make us do old school talk
radio and you weren't having it.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
They called us in and said look, you're gonna keep
doing it like that, well you sink or swim, all right, Yeah,
you gotta do it on your own.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
You have a better sect or where you got that.
We're like good, that's what we've been wanting.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
One more thing on the birthday thing, to wrap this
up so you can get on with your birthday and
start boozing or eating cake or whatever it is you
do on your birthdays. Reading booze cake. You have never
been a milestone guy like birthday, New Year's that sort
of thing.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Like to a fault. Yeah, I keep thinking I should
be more. I am the way the other end of it.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Yeah, but I do remember from building up to turning thirty,
turning forty, turning fifty for me, the build up and
then the moment I turned the age, it just disappears.
It's just like, what was that all about?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
That's well, speaking of trading wisdom back and forth, you
have convinced me completely that New Year's resolutions, which absolutely
have value, but if you're serious about doing something or
quitting something, don't wait for a particular date, do it
now or whatever. And so a lot of things that
(13:59):
because I was thinking as you were talking about that earlier,
I was thinking, yeah, I need to sit down and say,
all right, what do I want to dedicate myself to,
you know, the new start at age sixty blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
But I'm already doing those things.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
So yeah, that's a good idea. And you know, because
you got one foot in the grave and you don't
have that much time.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Less, it's talk TikTok.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
But to the like milestone, you know thing, do you
remember what you were doing on your fortieth birthday? Do
you remember what you did on your fortieth birthday?
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:28):
We had a hellacious party. You remember that in my backyard.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I do remember that. Yeah. It was Oh it was.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Great barbecue and rock and roll, and my dog got
drunk off the keg next morning. You're not supposed to
let your dog do that.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
But look up, some bitch. Do you remember your fiftieth birthday? No?
Not offhand?
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Okay, So there's an example of because like, I can
remember where I was was with when I turned thirty, forty, fifty,
even twenty five, which was my first Oh my god,
I'm getting older.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
What did I do on my fiftieth.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
You know, it's probably one of those It fell on
a funky day of the week, and so it was
daylight today. I just worked and then we had some
big wingeding on the weekend or something like that.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
But no, I don't really recall.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
I'm going to tell about my fortieth birthday in one
of the podcasts next week because it's quite a story
tied into sobriety, because that was the last major birthday
where I was still drinking. My fiftieth birthday, I was
in the middle of chemotherapy, and I was flat on
my back and sick as a dog and turning fifty
and alone in the bedroom, and I was quite miserable
in thinking, this is really a low point for turning fifty.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
This is not going well. Right, Well, you're right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
I was like, cool, So what are you gonna do today,
specifically today on your sixty birthday?
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I got to work out with the guy my trainer
essentially keeps the you know, the physical thing going on.
Then spaghetti and meat Paul's for dinner, which is my
childhood birthday dinner, and I still and then I spent
time with my daughter and my son.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
That's cool. Your kids are yeah, yeah, kid number three,
I don't remember their names. She was the third one,
she have no name. She girl is actively she's.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Busy at law school and will join us on the weekend,
So that'll be a true wing ding, and then that'll
be the big fast.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
There you go. Well, happy birthday? Any chance? Happy birthday?
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Any chance we're recording a podcast like this when we
both turned seventy, Surely this is the last one.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
You're gonna have to find me, call me and say, hey,
remember me? We worked together for forty years.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Hey Joe, what did you do for your sixtieth birthday?
What'd you say? I don't know, I am.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I am not superstitious at all, but I've got this
thing about making any pronouncement about what's going to happen
years from now.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
It's one of those if God is willing things, I don't.
I just feel weird saying it, which is irrational, but.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Shock me that we're still doing something like this. Then
if God will.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
It, we're still sucking wind. Oh you'll still be alive
when you're seventy. Come on, I don't know. Ask the
city bus that didn't see me in time? You don't know?
How about you look both ways? Yeah, that's all you
gotta do. Joe.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
There's some great deals on walking tubs. The new models
are coming in. Well, I guess that's it.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
That's an old wives tale. That's funny.
One foot in the grave. It's one more thing. I'm so.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I understand you're going to interview me on the topic
of my milestone birthday, just so I can get prepared.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Do you have a style in mind?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Are you going to be like Scott Pelly, slow talking
and making me repeat everything? You gonna make me cry
like Ellen DeGeneres. Do you have more of Charlie Rose
approach in mind?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Katie?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Joe and I were working together. Joe and I have
basically the same birthday. My birthdays in ten days, and
I'm turning the same age, so we are in the
same reflective age situation of turning sixty. His birthday is today.
Joe and I were working together when we turned thirty,
when we turned forty, when we turned fifty, and now
(00:51):
when we turned sixty. That doesn't seem possible.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
That's amazing, but it really doesn't seem possible.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
No, particularly even the hatred of each other that we share.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Just from a time standpoint, the one thing that you
can't you can't. This is gonna be one of the
things I want to ask you about. Okay, Well, I'll
just ask you instead of giving an answer first. That
would be a dumb way to interview innovative got a
couple of questions. Okay, what does sixty feel like compared
to what you thought it would feel like when you
(01:24):
were thirty, emotionally, physically, whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Well, that that question assumes that I remember what I
thought when I was thirty, well, or any any point
when you're.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
No, I see your point.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah, I think fairly similar.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I was never never particularly afraid of aging. I've never
been particular and particularly enthusiastic about the idea either it would.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Be enthusiastic about aging past like twenty one, who would
be enthusiastic about aging?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, you know what, I think.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
One of the formative aspects of my life is that
I've always been a golf freak. And even when I
was thirty five, I played golf with guys who were
seventy who were having fun and good players, and we'd
have a couple of drinks afterward and a hoot, and
so I saw. I don't know if you'd call them
(02:26):
role models exactly, but I didn't fear that.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
You have a thought, Katie before I jump in, Oh, no,
go ahead, I'm listening.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
I'm the exact opposite. I've always assumed like when I
was in my twenties, I assumed there's no way anybody
over the age of thirty was having fun. And I
felt that way by my whole life. I thought, there's
no way you're having fun in your forties. Fifty year
olds aren't having fun. Certainly, nobody's gonna have fun in
their sixties. And if they're like smiling and laughing, like
you say, you see people they just don't remember what
fun was. This is as good as it gets for them,
(02:57):
but they're not actually having fun. If there's one thing
I'd tell younger me, well, maybe that's the question I
want to ask. If you could tell thirty year old you,
forty year old you, whatever, twenty five year old something,
what would it be?
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Now?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Okay, you know me, I quibble about every question. Does
this like include? Do you tell yourself don't quibble so much.
It's a waste of time. It could be so quibblesome
people don't like it.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Wisdom or.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I'll just stick with wisdom for now because I will
the reason I asked that question, and I can picture
it so vividly. It's causing giant emotional changes in my
brain right now. It was around and Gladys Dn't Bother
nineteen ninety eight to two thousand, two thousand and one,
when the talk show had just started, because we realized
(03:45):
we had no future in music radio.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
We were doing a talk show between the records, and
it was stupid, but.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
We'd started at our now home station in Sacramento, Toxix
fifty kst and of the forty five rated RATEEO stations
in Sacramento, it was forty fifth when we took over
the morning show, and it was taking longer than we
had hoped to really grow it, just because the mathematics
(04:13):
of it. Lord knows, we had no marketing at that time.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
I don't have you ever on a station or a show, Katie,
with no listeners, but I have you can say to
your listeners, tell your friends to tune in. But they
got no friends, they aren't listening. There's nobody to tell anybody.
I feel that's my soul.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
And we had taken a fifty percent cut and pay
to get started in talk radio. And I had three
little kids, including a baby, and I was so stressed
and so concerned that I was not going to be
successful in the one field I had chosen.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
And you know. This is not some sort of dumb,
humble brag, but I was one of.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Those kids who people would say, he has so much potential, Oh,
you could do this, or you could do that, And
here I was going to be a dead ender who
couldn't support his family.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Miserable amounts of stress. Oh. I dealt with it the
best I could. So, I mean, if I could just
whisper in my young ear, it's can work out okay that?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Oh my god, Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna blubb her.
That would have been enormously helpful. But wisdom wise, stay
out of the shun. Yeah, oh my god, yeah yeah, Hey,
the sunscreen thing. Take that seriously, dip shit. Show videos
(05:40):
of uh. I'd show videos to myself. Look at this,
and young me would say, what is that device you're holding.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I'd say, it's a cell phone. Don't worry about it anyway.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Watch this video of a dermatologist cutting a chunk out
of you.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Oh god, I'd say, what's what's your point? Why are
you doing this? I'd say, be careful with the sun. Anyway.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
It would probably be you know, it would probably be
parenting advice. You know, you never get You'll never regret
being patient. If you got to bring the hammer down,
you can bring it down in an hour. Take a while,
calm down and think about what's the smart thing to do.
Probably because I was a very young parent by modern standards.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
If you're an older parent like me, your tea is
so low you can't really get worked up about anything.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Right, don't let me take off my supplier hose and
hit you with him son.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
And you know, make me. I don't know if they
decided to run off, I couldn't catch them. So yeah,
you come back here if you'd like. Eh.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
The whole perspective on time thing, the way it changes
when you get older, it's just impossible. There's no point
in trying to explain it to somebody who's younger. Nobody
could have. I'm sure somebody tried to explain it to me.
I was like, whatever, old man, Well.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
And you can believe it, but you can't relate to it.
The idea that no five years goes by in the
blink of an eye. You have to live that. Yeah, yeah, right,
I know my kids in this.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
They've got a particular reason to feel like this because
I was an older parent. So when I was a
kid was a really long time. You know, if you
have kids in your twenties, like you, you're only talking
about a twenty year gap in now and when you
were a kid. For me, it's you know, nearly a
forty year gap or whatever it is. Yes, so they
can they really have good ammunition for what you know
(07:40):
about what high schools like is completely irrelevant to me,
But it's not. I look around their high school, I
see the stuff.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
It's the same.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Thing, really, just you know, clothes are actually exactly the same.
They're wearing the same clothes, same hairstyles as when I.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Was in high school. But so much of it is
the same.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
But you can't convince young people that you have like
really any understanding of their what they're going through.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
And between most of my child raising in yours was
the giant you know. It's like the ADBC dividing line
of smartphones. Yeah, and how that's changed everything.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
But the you know, but the wanting to have a
girlfriend and being nervous about asking them, just all that
sort of stuff is just yeah, it doesn't seem any different.
I get the but I just I remember hearing years
ago we did a big show and we turned forty, which.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Is freaking twenty years ago. I can't believe that.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
But anyway, we did a big show when we turned forty,
and I remember hearing somebody say something about I think
it was ancient wisdom, but just.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
People.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
You can tell people you know how this is going
to turn out or what your experience is shown, They're
still going to do it their way and find out
for themselves. It's just it just seems and that seems
to be way more true than not true. There's some exceptions,
but it's way more true than not true.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Yeah, there's it was very little of the.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Wisdom and conventional wisdom about conventional thinking about aging and
what you're going to go through that has not been true.
But you do have to confront it on your own
and deal with it on your own, and and it's
it's it's fine, you know.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
It's just to backtrack for one second. By standards, did
you have older, younger parents.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
At the time, Very typical. My mom was twenty four,
so twenty three or twenty four when she had my
sister than me a year later, and then in her
early thirties when she had her last kid, my little brother.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Now it was practically everybody back in the day so.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Young, ifh because I was thinking about your outlook on
life and not really being worried about aging, and I
was thinking my parents are older her standards about same
with Jack and his kids, almost forty years, and I
think that kind of made it so I do. I'm
not really worried about aging because I'm seeing them in
their older years and they're having a blast and everything's good.
You know, maybe I was wondering if I contributed, but
(10:02):
you had young parents, would have.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
To would be like similar to your story about being
around golfers. But if you're around your parents and you
see them in their sixties or seventies and doing stuff right,
I have.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
To think I would think, yeah, and oh go.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
I was just going to say in a weird way
when I was having those excruciating back problems, and I'd
say this with great sympathy to people have ongoing back problems.
Mine are much much better through a combination of never
ending physical therapy and workouts and stretching that sort of thing.
I was so miserable the last six months of being
(10:36):
like fifty eight, in the first six months of being
fifty nine, and I feel so much better now. I
feel like I've deaged five years. So the idea that
the calendar says otherwise, I just it's internally. I know
that's correct, but I feel really good. But you're doing
my recent standards.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
But you're doing that thing where they drain the blood
out of young homeless people and they put it in
your right.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Not all homeless.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Some of them have volunteers, but most of them are
homeless because they need the money.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Training the blood of the young and injecting it into
my greedy veins.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, I'm glad that's working for you. If I could
get that going, man, I would you have a question, Michael.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
No, it wasn't about this though.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
I was just thinking about the training the blood of
the homelessness, nothing about this.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
I was just thinking about what Joe said. You know,
you guys started in two thousand and that's when I started.
And I was gonna tell Katie that the show show
you how low they thought of the radio station.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
They used to tell me that, wouldn't you like to
come work on some other show or whatever? And I
refused to do it because I believed in this show.
I really did, and it drove them nuts.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
They hated me for that.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah about us them, Yeah, the bosses were like, you know,
you're pretty good talented, which Michael is obviously.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
You know you should come work over here at a
real radio station. Michael could call on not it was
a great call. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Just before we started nineteen ninety eight, they had a
serious meeting about just shutting it down and taking it
off the air to save the electricity and so they
wouldn't have to bother employee employing nice people who are
trying hard, but we weren't getting anywhere. It's like, this is
not worth the trouble. Why don't we just shut that
radio station off? And it took several years, but what
(12:17):
was it, four or five years later we were number
one in the market and have been a good bit
of the time ever since.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
That is awesome. Wouldn't want to do it again, sweetheart.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
And Katie, you know the thing that management would tell me, huh,
don't hit sounds, don't hit these clips. I don't think
we set up the call and they set up a
topic that was the really bag.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
They really tried to make us do old school talk
radio and you weren't having it.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
They called us in and said look, you're gonna keep
doing it like that, well you sink or swim, all right, Yeah,
you gotta do it on your own.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
You have a better sect or where you got that.
We're like good, that's what we've been wanting.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
One more thing on the birthday thing, to wrap this
up so you can get on with your birthday and
start boozing or eating cake or whatever it is you
do on your birthdays. Reading booze cake. You have never
been a milestone guy like birthday, New Year's that sort
of thing.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Like to a fault. Yeah, I keep thinking I should
be more. I am the way the other end of it.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Yeah, but I do remember from building up to turning thirty,
turning forty, turning fifty for me, the build up and
then the moment I turned the age, it just disappears.
It's just like, what was that all about?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
That's well, speaking of trading wisdom back and forth, you
have convinced me completely that New Year's resolutions, which absolutely
have value, but if you're serious about doing something or
quitting something, don't wait for a particular date, do it
now or whatever. And so a lot of things that
(13:59):
because I was thinking as you were talking about that earlier,
I was thinking, yeah, I need to sit down and say,
all right, what do I want to dedicate myself to,
you know, the new start at age sixty blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
But I'm already doing those things.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
So yeah, that's a good idea. And you know, because
you got one foot in the grave and you don't
have that much time.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Less, it's talk TikTok.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
But to the like milestone, you know thing, do you
remember what you were doing on your fortieth birthday? Do
you remember what you did on your fortieth birthday?
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:28):
We had a hellacious party. You remember that in my backyard.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I do remember that. Yeah. It was Oh it was.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Great barbecue and rock and roll, and my dog got
drunk off the keg next morning. You're not supposed to
let your dog do that.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
But look up, some bitch. Do you remember your fiftieth birthday? No?
Not offhand?
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Okay, So there's an example of because like, I can
remember where I was was with when I turned thirty, forty, fifty,
even twenty five, which was my first Oh my god,
I'm getting older.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
What did I do on my fiftieth.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
You know, it's probably one of those It fell on
a funky day of the week, and so it was
daylight today. I just worked and then we had some
big wingeding on the weekend or something like that.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
But no, I don't really recall.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
I'm going to tell about my fortieth birthday in one
of the podcasts next week because it's quite a story
tied into sobriety, because that was the last major birthday
where I was still drinking. My fiftieth birthday, I was
in the middle of chemotherapy, and I was flat on
my back and sick as a dog and turning fifty
and alone in the bedroom, and I was quite miserable
in thinking, this is really a low point for turning fifty.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
This is not going well. Right, Well, you're right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
I was like, cool, So what are you gonna do today,
specifically today on your sixty birthday?
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I got to work out with the guy my trainer
essentially keeps the you know, the physical thing going on.
Then spaghetti and meat Paul's for dinner, which is my
childhood birthday dinner, and I still and then I spent
time with my daughter and my son.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
That's cool. Your kids are yeah, yeah, kid number three,
I don't remember their names. She was the third one,
she have no name. She girl is actively she's.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Busy at law school and will join us on the weekend,
So that'll be a true wing ding, and then that'll
be the big fast.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
There you go. Well, happy birthday? Any chance? Happy birthday?
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Any chance we're recording a podcast like this when we
both turned seventy, Surely this is the last one.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
You're gonna have to find me, call me and say, hey,
remember me? We worked together for forty years.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Hey Joe, what did you do for your sixtieth birthday?
What'd you say? I don't know, I am.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I am not superstitious at all, but I've got this
thing about making any pronouncement about what's going to happen
years from now.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
It's one of those if God is willing things, I don't.
I just feel weird saying it, which is irrational, but.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Shock me that we're still doing something like this. Then
if God will.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
It, we're still sucking wind. Oh you'll still be alive
when you're seventy. Come on, I don't know. Ask the
city bus that didn't see me in time? You don't know?
How about you look both ways? Yeah, that's all you
gotta do. Joe.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
There's some great deals on walking tubs. The new models
are coming in. Well, I guess that's it.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
That's an old wives tale. That's funny.
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