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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Waldergrave
from News Talk ZEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Good evening, Welcome on n into sports talk or a
sports rant as I expect it will be this evening
as we put our collective heads in our hands and
sob about the black Caps exit of the T twenty
World Cup. Am I right? Is this the worst result
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in tournament cricket the black Caps have had in a decade?
I was going to research it, but I kept wiping
the tears from my face. I couldn't read the computer
never mind. Luke Ronkey joins us shortly hews olland black
Caps a batting coach assistant coach, to talk about that
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loss to the West Indies from a place of power.
They took firm aim at their own feet and blew
them off in the last two overs and then from
there it was all downhill. Enough already, we're going to
take your calls on that, and it's an uncomfortable conversation.
All CEOs should last top what five years in a
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company and then kick to touch so new ideas and
new concepts could be dragged forward. Is Gary Stead that CEO?
Is this enough of a result or lack thereof to
suggest that maybe the time has come. We'll take your
thoughts on that at eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Later on in the Peace, Greek Peters joins us. Later
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on he's the CEO of Rugby League in z in
our own negotiations to bring this day of origin to
Auckland in twenty twenty seven. Positive thought process, lovely idea.
Will it ever happen? I don't know. Why don't we
build a stadium down by the waterfront. That's more than
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likely to happen as well. We talk greet Peters about that, No,
not the stadium, about the state of origin later on
in the piece, but before we do any of that.
List of hollow bus today in sport today, cricket in caramity, Sure,
why not? Captain Kane couldn't steady the ship It had
a West Indian reef and sank.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
We know that it's going to be a real scrap
and it's not going to be easy. But if you
win some small moments, matchups go your way, then there
can be a defining element to your whole tournament. Really,
and it hasn't happened for us, which is frustrating.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
You keep thinking of that bloker called last night said, look, really,
Darky just calmed the farm. It was one bad loss.
You're going to get it from time to time. Let's
go too on the bounce sound and see how you feel.
To the NBA, whether you Boss and Celts are within
one game of securing their eighteenth title, like you go
three up in the NBA Finals series. I think it's
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one hundred and fifty six v oh you win, it's
pretty much a given. They dismissed the Mavericks so one
of six ninety nine to take a three zip leading
the best of seven series. Guard Derek White says the
fourth quarter comeback from the Texans made things a little
tricky though.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
I mean, Joe loves to say the closely already win,
the closest you're already losing, So.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
He's probably going to love this. We got to be
better and we're going to learn from it.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Joe is their coach. Joe Mizzoula Warriors has Johnson and
Martin have been a denified as a clear and present
danger by the Melbourne Storms.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
Jerome Hughes, We're going to have to keep an eye
on those two blokes. Obviously, they're pretty dangerous for them,
But I look at their team across the park, They're
dangerous all over the park.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
So when you really need to be prepared to defend.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Well and finance underway of a night, it's a Kiwi
fairway roma. Mister Ryan Fox preayed for the US Open bye.
As he told us on the show a week or
so ago, he preyed for the US Open by not
playing golf insane or inspired.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
Did a bunch of fishing and hung out with the
kids and did some swimming and stuff like that. So
it was nice to just mentally recharge, to physically recharge.
And the best prep for the US Open was actually
not touched in the clothes, which kind of sounds weird.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Coming into a major sounds fantastic. And the proof of
said pudding will indeed be in the eating and we
start dining at the seeding for the US Open, And
that's sport today.
Speaker 7 (04:38):
That's the single for Mitchell Santa to end it and
the West Indies come together on the field, have been
very much together off the field, and this has been
a really good comeback performance.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
The eighteenth over.
Speaker 7 (04:55):
When they batted, they were far from doman and far
from in a good position in this game. But they
believe this, you know, they do believe and when they
get together out there with this crowd behind, it's going
to take a very good side to stop them.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I Field, Blue Gronky, you assistant coach Old the Blake
camps had joins us now, Luke, I don't want to
say devastated, but I expect the feeling around the camp
is exactly that after being basically drop kicked out of
the World Cup so early doors.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Yeah, yeah, you're not, You're not far off. It'll be
very very quiet change room. And obviously you never come
to a World Cup wanting to be in this position,
and you come out and you want to play the
best if you can. You want to win games of
cricket and and unfortunately we just haven't been able to.
I guess get those results or get those little sort
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of processes in place to make sure we're giving it
our best to get across the lines. It's been Yeah,
it's just I guess everyone's just disappointed with the results here.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
There's been a lot made of the lack of preparation,
the lack of warm up games ahead of the tournament,
suggesting the team did look half cooked. They did look underdone.
I had Jake Breman recently say, know, it's going to
be fine. It's not an issue. Open work in practice
has gone well retrospectively. Would you look at that and
say we really needed a run early on?
Speaker 5 (06:15):
Yeah, those are always the questions are going to be
asked anyway whenever these sort of things come up. But
the guys have had a heap of prep love, they
played a lot of credit. Guys have played a lot
of cricket over here. So again, like we trust that
these guys understand how they want to try and play
the credit, how they're going to try to adapt to surfaces,
and unfortunately our adapting it just hasn't been up to par.
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That's the disappointing thing. I think that's something we pride
ourselves on and we have done for a long long time,
and we haven't quite been able to I guess grasp
how we want to pat on these sorts of services.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
But also feeling going into this game against the West
Indies after being beaten by Afghanistan, the talk around the
camp ahead of what you needed to apply to get
the best result, what was the general flow of there?
Speaker 5 (06:59):
It's been our general chats it's always about what we
need to do as a team and making sure with bat,
with ball in the field. It's all those I guess,
our venues and behaviors is going into it, making sure
that everyone's out there and knowing that the person next
to them is doing the same thing, and a lot
of the things that comes down how your attitude goes
and what you want to do. And again those conversations,
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we know that's a power of this team. Let's keep
talking about the team. How can I give to the team,
how can I make sure that I'm doing the job
that's required of me at any given stage, and back
eating every person to be in those same positions. So
the guys are very very good at that, and we've
got to keep doing that, keep believing that. And I
guess obviously, when you have the results we have had
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in these two games, it's even more of a thing
to go back on. Okay, right, this is how this
team both, this is what we want to do, how
we want to play a cricket and what's going to
make us be a strong team and play some strong cricket.
And we need to keep those things.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
It was a great start to today, got off really well,
in fact, that was looking extraordinarily bright up until the
nineteenth and twentieth over. You look at that and you
wonder about came Williamson and the maths being done because
suddenly ended up with Darrel Mitchelly one terrible over last
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time bowling one of the key overs. This is that
concerning to you, Luck.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
No, not at all, because we were trying to get
the two those We literally needed two more wigkets and
you use your strike bowlers to get those wickets. So
that's one of the things you obviously you roll at
dice a little bit, so right off, we can get
these these big wickets at the air using locky foods
and trump bolt tim sally that we don't need to
worry about those those last couple of overs. So that's
that's part of cricket. That's how you work out different
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bits and pieces. So that was just a part of
the game. And the unfortunate things we couldn't get those
wickets right at the very end and Chaffane Ratherford managed
to make the most of those last two overs.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
So at halftime and the shed, knowing you had to
chase down one hundred and fifty odd to secure victory
still boint around that after what you'd seen out there
and the way the pitch was playing.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
Yeah, we've got back our guys. No matter what we're
in here, we know that these guys have played cricket
all over the world and they they had a bat
on surfaces and that's that there's were back at guys
one hundred percent. So they got there and that we
can play some. I guess it's usually with a batsmanship
and understanding that that cricket here is that the surfaces
are dictator, that you're not going to go out and
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blaze away and it's like batting through your twenty overs
and picking up your bigger overs at different stages. So unfortunately,
again we just couldn't get it. We couldn't do those
big overs. We had a fairly good start with us
that like Finn was looking really good. Unfortunately he got
out when he did and and from there, I guess
it's just we couldn't sort of I guess, arrest the
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momentum that the West Indies had grabbed and there are
a few little periods where we look like we're going
quite nice and again part of the game that unfortunately
we're on the wrong side of from the.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
From the betting point of view, do you feel that
the West Indies contributed to the loss of the wickets
or maybe in some of the cases the decisions made
by the bats weren't the wisest If you see where
I'm going here, how much was it the West Indies
bowling well and the black Caps not batting too well?
Speaker 5 (10:17):
I think it was just the mixture of every I
think we sort of saw worth the way they came
out in the bat earlier and they were coming quite
hot and losing some wickets, and then we realized, like, okay,
so should fine rather than made sure he was in
at the any batter smartly and getting the boarder to
the sweepers and running hard. So that was like right,
So we needed this ourselves, and the guys understood that,
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because that's what it is. You have to adapt to
what's in front of you. So then all of a
sudden the Finza they were going all right, But then
again we just we couldn't make those big overs when
we needed to to keep us up with that run round.
And when you lose wickets as well, it makes it
that little bit harder.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
How do you pick yourselves up now. Luke Ronkey got
a couple of games against minnotes that there's an absolute
outside chance you could still go through, but it's very
very very outside. So the attitude and I suppose the
playing eleven you taken to these two meno games that
hard to pick up.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
For do you think, well, you're still playing cricket for
your country, so that's the whole thing. You still gotta
understand it's an honor and a privilege to be able
to play cricket for your country. So you keep believing that,
keep remembering that there's so many other people who always
wanted to play cricket for New Zealand have a opportunity,
and we're in a position here where we are still
doing that. When they keep doing that and we gore
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and make every I guess post a winner.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
We go.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
We just got to play hard, trigger play some good briget,
play some smart cricket and keep representing this country with pride.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Roles changing much. Do you think you'll get the players
that haven't played having a crack in there, You maybe
play around a week with the order or how you
apply some of these players.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
We've only just finished this game, so those conversations will
come later. But again it's like we're here at a
World Cup, so you don't want to I'm not a yeah,
I don't think so. I don't like the thought of
doing those bits and peace, because again, you're playing cricket
for your country and that's that should be enough pride
and stuff to make sure that we're going out and
doing what we need to do.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Do you dread these postmatches after wins or after being
I suppose Drop kicked out of a tournament because this
is pretty rare. This doesn't happen much. This is almost
an anomaly of the black Caps of recent times. So
when they said, look mate, go and face the media,
what were you thinking.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
No, But that's it's a part of it. It's what
we have to deal with because again, when you have
good results and everyone wants to be when you have
the bad ones, you've got to do it as well.
So it's it's a part of it. You've got to,
I guess, be honest and how you want to sort
of praise and review and things and talk about it,
because again, if we're not, then we're actually sort of
living in some other world. So we need to be honest.
With how we're doing it and get out there and
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face it. When we do, there no need for them.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
We've got the breakdown on Sports Talk Cola.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
News Talk nineteen minut it's after seven Sports Talk on
News Talk ZB. That is assistant coach batting coach for
the black Caps, Luke Ronkey, looking back on a miserable
afternoon's cricket. Pretty much every television in the whole of
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Newstalk ZB was on the cricket today. The air just
disappeared out of the room pretty fast, distressing. I'll read
you one thing and then we'll get on with the
phone calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, looking
forward to hear what you have to say about what
happens now, what had beens, particularly with Gary Stead. He
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is on till middle of next year. They've got champions
Trophy coming up. They've got a World Test Championship still
to come, if indeed they qualify for the final. It's
the experiment, not experiment. It's not been an experiment. It's
been a very successful tenure. But has it started slipping
over the last few years. Do we need a new
voice and is it time to possibly which was juggled
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around previously, use a number of different coaches to run
white ball, to run red ball. Does it need restructure?
And I know it's cruel to kick some on while
they're down because they'd be feeling terrible. They didn't go
out deliberate to lose this. But as sports fans and
fans of the Black Cats, we've seen arguably one of
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the worst tournament results in the last ten years. What
do we do? We sit there and wait, fiddle our
own burns or actually do something. At eight hundred eighty
to ten eighty lines are open venw Zeland to qualify.
It's not all over. Afghanistan left to lose both of
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their remaining games against Papua New Guinea and the West Indies,
and New Zealand will have to win their two against
Uganda and p ANDNG by huge margins. Like if Afghanistan
lose their last two games by a combined margin of
one hundred and twenty runs, New Zealand will have to
war theres by combined margin of one hundred and eighty seven.
If I'm Ghanastan beat Paper New Guinea, that games reigned
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out New Zealand are out come and dummer you're telling
me there's still a chance up the wise. Twenty one
minutes after seven Sports Talk Care on newstalksz B lines
are open. Let the post mortem comments here on News
Talk ZB myself.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Forget the riffs. Call you make the call on eight
Sports Talk on your home of Sports News Talks BF.
You said I was into into.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Twenty five Sports Talk Care on News Talks EB eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty three phone number nationwide. Please
love to talk to you about what happened today out
what happened in this tournament silver Lining. You don't have
to stay in the middle of the night and watch
the black Cabs anymore. Is no point, right, so we
can get some sleep. I mean sports broadcast. I will
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watch some of it, but maybe semi finals, but really
not at that time of night. Let's move on to
the calls.
Speaker 8 (16:23):
Hi, Brian here you listen, Darcy, that was an absolute disgrace.
Some of those players have been over there, staying at five, ten,
twelve days, staying in three hundred dollars four hundred dollars
a night hotels. They should be taken out of the
hotels and put them to a backpackers ten to a
room and just that they would described Trent Bolt told me,
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I'm to tell you this was the greatest T twenty game,
that T twenty team that ever been put together. What
a load of garbage.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Oh yeah, well they plainly not because the results have test.
They're possibly the worst New Zealand T twenty team that's
ever been put out, best based purely on results that
they've got great behind them. You look at the individual
and go, man, the's some very very gifted players here,
but get it. As a team. They just and did
you get this feeling? Bright? And at the end of that,
I kept on thinking about when we had Australia on
the ropes and One Day International Games and how Michael
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Bevan or somebody always stole it away and I thought
we must have the West Indies last two hours other
you go and that blew it.
Speaker 8 (17:20):
Of course of course it did. I mean the thing
is the assistant Kin Williamson, great batsman, you know what
It's called a million runs for New Zealand. But the
bottom liners there's no enthusiasm. Gary Steap, no enthusiasm. You know,
there's no enthusiasm like Andrew Andrew Webster's got for the
I don't.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Know, Brian, if the way they present to the media
is necessarily a good way of summing up what they
bring to the team. Some people are a brilliant they
talk there, they talk loud, they do great stuff. Other
people are very calm and considered. So I think that
personality and judging them on that shouldn't really come into it.
Speaker 8 (17:59):
If you want to stick up for them, Darcy. You're
a sports jockey, you've watched more sport than I have.
But I tell you what that they're playing for New
Zealand as a pride. That ronky can talk about anything
about what were they supposed to do? What they're not
supposed to do? But they didn't perform?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
No, No, they didn't.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
No.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
And I'm not defending them. I'm just saying attacking a
personality as opposed to results to men't. I don't understand it,
but that's okay, Brian, you're quite well. Thanks for ringing,
Thanks for calling. Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Does anyone get fall on a sword, or better still,
get pushed onto a sword? After that? Of course it
won't happen. They'll carry on a nice and steady But
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has the healcion error of stead and Williamson been drawn
to a close after this very poor tournament. And that's
been generous with my language. Good a, Bevin, how are
you good?
Speaker 9 (18:52):
Yeah, it's pretty Shakespearean when you kind of talk about Williamson,
and look, I think that we need to sort of
give the guys a little bit of a break. It
was a pretty hard place geographically for them to get to,
and it's.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Hard for them to get anywhere. I can't I can't
sit with that. It's hard to get anywhere in professional cricket.
They go to some strange places that are in hospitable
and very unusual of them, and they do it globally
and T twenty competitions, the international competition. So I can't
buy that, Bevan, carry on that.
Speaker 9 (19:32):
I'm just trying to stick up for the pick up
for our country because I thought that's what you were
sort of saying to the last caller.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
But no, no, they were attacking how they are and
how they present like that.
Speaker 9 (19:46):
When was the last time that you tried to fly Todos?
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Well, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 9 (19:53):
Well, do you know how many flights you have to take?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
But it doesn't matter about five the professional cricket. I
took three flights to Stuart Island once. That was a
pain in the backside. But they're professional cricketers. This is
what they do. They travel and they play sport. This
should not be a crutch. This should not be an excuse.
Should it?
Speaker 5 (20:17):
Should it?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Well, I don't think it should.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
No.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
No.
Speaker 9 (20:20):
All I'm saying is that I think that they were
a little bit rusty and and and you know, when
when they're doing well, we love them, and then all
of a sudden, when when when they're doing bad, everybody
wants to burn them, like you know, like the Crucible,
you know, like it is that you know, do we.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Want to abrupt? But I think that when your national team,
when they get beaten, I don't think people mind so
much because you've got to get used to loss if
you're a fan of any sport, and being a black
Caps fan all of my adult life, I was used
to getting burned. But when your national team presents the
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way the black Caps did, with the preparation that they
didn't have, with a team of players that are very
good and have presented very well previously, and they are
dismissed like this, I don't think there's anything wrong with
saying it's not good enough. High standards, right, high standards
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And no, Johnny, I couldn't do it. I just talk
into it, can mate. How are you?
Speaker 8 (21:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (21:28):
Okay, Darcy, I'm good. Thanks.
Speaker 8 (21:30):
Hey.
Speaker 10 (21:30):
Look, as my famous father in law, Freddie Truman would say,
suck it up. At the end of the day, he
would be wanting them to draw inspiration from all the
great players that have gone before them. And also he'd
be wanting to draw inspiration from all the great things
that they've done in the day, because it's a mental game. Now,
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they've done whatever prep they've done, they've got the talents
that they've got, and they just have to mentally toughen
up and apply themselves and go, right, we can do this.
Let's go on and do the job.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I think, though, Johnny, after what happened in that first
up game against Afghanistan, that was enough of a punch
on the nose to make these guys realize. And there
was a couple of changes, possibly not the changes I
would have made. I still think some of the top
orders should have been keck to touch. But surely that
was the wake up time. But two consecutive games where
it just fell apart from them. That makes sure that
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does that become systemic or not? Is that what we
worried about.
Speaker 10 (22:32):
No, I don't think it's a stemic at all. I
think they've just got to find it within themselves. They've
got the talent. They We can argue about whether they've
had enough people, and I agree with you, I don't
think they have. I don't think they've had enough conditioning either.
But that's history we've got to deal with. They've got
to deal with what they've got to deal with, and
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they've got to find that in themselves as a team.
And I know, you know, the great Freddie Truman when
he been out there, he faced a hell of a
lot of adversity in his cricket and career. I mean,
he's one of the most famous bowlers a lot, you
know to this day, even though he didn't get the
play a lot, but he just said to himself, suck
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it up. You just every day's a new day and
you've got to make the best of us.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Well, these guys, these guys will, they will turn around.
But the question is is what happened after the defeat
against Afghanistan? Did they know they came back and look,
we had that Luke Rocky before. What it was suggesting
like that was that was poor from Williamson, the way
he used his bowlers and he blew all the best
ones out after eighteen overs. Those two overs cost us
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the game. His logic was we wanted to blow them
off the park. We were close, but it didn't happen.
So can you accept that logic?
Speaker 5 (23:47):
It didn't work.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
And if maybe he had waited and held a couple
of these bowlers back for the end, would they have
released earlier. It would have been criticized for that. You've
got to make the call on what you believe is
right as a captain. But that decision was wrong.
Speaker 11 (24:06):
Hi Ross Yeah, Hi asked, hey, look, what makes you
think they're going to beat New Guinea and Uganda. Isn't
it a bit presumptuous to think we're going to beat them?
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Pointing that out, I would say that Papua New Guinea
and Uganda would be feeling full of beans right now
at the prospect of taking on New Zealand the New Zealand.
If they don't, it'll be even more bizarre than what's
happened over the last two games, which is not entirely
because Afghanistan not not bad. The Wisteds aren't terrible. They're
playing at home.
Speaker 11 (24:38):
But Darcy put yourself in, You put yourself in Afghanistan's place.
They mass Rubby said, we can roll these guys. We
can roll New Zealand. If we roll in New Zealand,
we got a good chance to getting through to the
next round. And that's what they were talking about in
that whole game. We could do this, we can do this.
We've got self belief because they've been out to Afghanistan
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and I think they came out on top. They did
a pretty good job there and they mess Rubbis. I think,
you know, based on what Ellen did. The first ball,
try to smack him over the boundary and they got
a perwer of a ball first out he went out,
and I think that just said it all there. For
that first game, Afghanistan were really really focused on what
they thought they could do and they did it. New
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Zealand said we're going to take these guys apart because
we're better than them, and they came up second best.
And I don't think they were ever even thought remotely
that they're ever going to lose that or they weren't
going to go through the next round. I think these
guys are going to look deep and hard and long
at themselves because I would dearly love them to get
dork to the next two games, and that would put
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them back. You know, what are we doing in this game?
We're not up to it.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
We've got a hardened up, interesting turn of phrase, Ross
using said dork. But thanks very much for your call anyway,
And I suppose you look to finel on and that
dismissal and go, well, it's kind of the way fell
out in plays. But how long we put up with that?
Speaker 4 (26:03):
For?
Speaker 2 (26:03):
I thought he'd turned a corner when they dumped them
from the national side in a way I suppose looked
to within himself, then came back and looked like he
might have it going on. But maybe he's just gone,
I'll forget about it. I know my guy, Hello, there's
a whole lot more about this than I do, because
he was there. His name's Kane Williamson.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Onto the batting side of things, and we've talked a
bit about the lack of actual match practice. Is that
something that you've thought about. Is it hindered the first
couple of games at all?
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Oh look, you know, like I say, I mean, you
get the prep that you get and you do with
it as well as you can. You know, conditions are
what they are here and you have to get your
head around what that looks like quickly, you know. And
so you know, for us, we can't make excuses. We
need to keep looking to get better, keep trying to
find ways on the in the conditions that we're presented
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with here. And I mean they've been all around the
competition as well, you know. So it's the way it is.
Keep finding a way where it could be a matter
of ten runs, fifteen runs somewhere that can certainly make
a big difference.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
And that is initially Simon Dull talking with King Williamson.
Wouldn't it be refreshing if he came and turned around
and said, you know, we're underdone. It was terrible end
of interview, right, Maybe he didn't believe that. What about
a difference. We've got Greg Peters joining us shortly talking
about the possibility of State of Origin being played in Auckland,
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Why it probably won't. It's the focus I expect with Greg.
A couple of quick texts for you, Brent Wright, s
Darcy Stead's got to go, he said his time. Enough
of the mediocre performances. It's been going on too long.
Another Texas says it's only T twenty.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
Who care.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I care they're wearing a national jersey even though it
was turquoise.
Speaker 8 (27:50):
I care.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Luke should know better than anyone else about pictures. He
played in Garner for a few seasons cp L. Another
Texas says Fleming was calm and considered arguably our best
ever captain. Worst converts of fifties to Ton that's okay,
and next says it was nowhere near a good tenure
for Stephen Williamson. They started well because they're riding on
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the back of here Henson Hessen, I think you mean
and McCullum. Steve needed to go after the first year,
and I guarantee they won't sack them until his contract
runs out. Williamson's not catta materially, doesn't know when to
bowlers bowlers, and his field setting is abysmal. Nick coming
off the ropes and swinging haymakers. Thanks very much for
your time. We're talking state of origin and New Zealand.
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Next ends the l CEO, mister Greg Peters to join
us here. On News Talks eb.
Speaker 8 (28:45):
Walk say the word savagat?
Speaker 5 (28:51):
Is it Lena to say sorry? Because miss more than
Jesse your bloody.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
My mother just grew back inously. Thank you, Andy Duve,
News Talks AB and Darcy Autograph. This is sports talk.
Story's resurfaced again, the story of State of Origin coming
to Auckland. The likelihood of what hurdles have to be
leaped find out now as we talk with and he
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said a regular chief executive, Greg Peters. Greg, welcome to
the show. Well, I know you're well. You're a happy man.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Thank you, Darcy, I'm a happy man. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Great to have you on board. Let's talk about the
potential that this has been going on for so long,
hasn't it? Can we have a state of Origin fixture
over in New Zealand. So there are proposals in motion,
but a lot of those that appeared to seem to
rely around or roll around whether Eden Park can actually
host something like that. So I suppose we'll start off
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first though there's a want and a need for state
of origin over here. You sure about that.
Speaker 12 (30:06):
I think there's a huge following now, you know, not
only on the back not only on the back of
the Warriors, but the success of the NRL and people following.
People have been following State of Origin and New Zealand
for the fifty to forty fifty years that's been going
now and a lot of people got into rugby league
because of those years in the eighties and of following
the Queensland and New South Wales the way through, so
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massive following for it. People stay up till after midnight
on a midweek night to follow their team, so you know,
I think there's an appetite for it most definitely, are
you confident.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
That they can get it over the line, because plainly
the NRL are interested, But they've got a few hurdles.
The biggest one I mentioned before is the only way
to circumvent that because I wouldn't trust the residents of
the council would do anything.
Speaker 12 (30:51):
Quite frankly, well you know, I think that's probably best
directed towards Enend Park and the council. But certainly some challenges,
mainly because of the broadcast times back into Australia. As
you know, it's hard enough for us staying up to
after midnight here when the kickoffs after ten o'clock New
Zealand time, so that will be a problem because they
have to clear constants out of Eden Park much earlier
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than that, so and all other sporting fixtures have finished
well before that. But I think the other bigger problem,
and it's a bigger problem for the events industry in
New Zealand, is do we have the money to put
into this sort of stuff? In my view, there's you know,
we're competing against the Australian markets with many millions of
dollars for state governments and central government funding over the
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are and there's a little bit of a what I'll
call it a paucity of vision in New Zealand around
the event space just right at the moment. And we
need to be coordinated and if we get serious about
these events, we've got to put some serious financial muscle
behind it.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
So where does that need to land the finance that
you're looking at that muscle and how much are we
talking here, because I'm presuming what you're saying as other
states are going, no, no, we'll write a check. We
really want that here, that's what you're that's what you're
looking for.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Absolutely. I mean the Magic Round and the which is
a wonderful event.
Speaker 12 (32:07):
As well, that we should be looking at as well,
and I think Cameron George has been vocal about that
or in a women's women's magic ground as well. But
the the you know, we're up against New South Wales,
Queensland and Victoria particularly who throw in some cases tens
of millions at these these one off events, so or
up to that number any rate, So you've got to
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be saying in New Zealand, we've got to look at
this and say, right, we're a small country five million people,
not as big economically, but which events are we going
to go after and this should be one of them,
and we should be should be looking at that from
a country perspective rather than just an auckland and saying, look,
this is good, good for us to be put our
name on the global map and particularly Australasian map when
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you come to rugby league in sport and let's go
after this thing.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
But we might have to trade off and not go
after to some other things.
Speaker 12 (32:59):
So we need a proper strategy around events in New
Zealand and that that goes to you know, whether we're
going to host paink or not, or whether we're going
to you know, Taylor Swift or whatever. But let's let's
get a coordinated strategy for events in New Zealand and
in this case particularly sporting events.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Have you climbed into this at all with any government representation.
Have you had a look to find out what needs
to be done in order to seal.
Speaker 12 (33:23):
Deals like this, not particularly on the state of origin,
but we have. I'm part of a group a group
of people that get together. The reason we regularly to
talk about the event space and you know this is
this is a this is a gender topic for us,
is how do we pull this together? Because everyone's sort
of you know, you got Auckland Unlimited, You've got christ
you you've got Wellington, Dunedin, anywhere with a stadium that
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can host or an event facility that can host, and
we're all climbing over each other trying to find to
get events. Whereas if we and then you've got a
central fund from MB or major events in New Zealand
and what's to find as a major event in New Zealand.
It needs some a look at too, because some times
these one off events are not termed as major events
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in New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
You're looking at sort of World Cups.
Speaker 12 (34:12):
And the wonderful events that they've been recently with the
Rugby Union World Cup and fee for Women's World Cup.
All of those are fantastic events, but these are one
off opportunities that don't come around very often in terms
of state of origin, and we need to chase the hard.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
CEO of New ze On Rugby League, Greg Peters at
joining us, let's talk our economic benefit. If you're pouring
in millions of dollars to attract the one off event
like this, can it be justified by what roles in
money wise? And I'm presuming a lot of that from
over the ditch, from around the rest of the country.
Is it worthwhile?
Speaker 4 (34:47):
Most definitely?
Speaker 12 (34:48):
I mean I don't have the number that they would
have calculated for state of origin in Auckland, but if
you look at the visitation which was a big measure,
and a number of hotel beds and the nights that
people will stay and what else I do in New
Zealand while they're here, there will most definitely be a
payback on that. I can recall, you know, my time
in Wellington when we were running the sevens down there.
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The economic benefit for that was something like eighteen million
dollars to the city units years ago now, so you know,
you'd look at triple the investment, and you look at
the feel good factor for what it does for the country,
which is often not valued as well.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
People get behind us stuff and it makes us feel.
Speaker 12 (35:27):
Better about ourselves and it makes us feel that we're
feel proud New Zealanders and I think that's a really
important factor as well.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Why would the NRL do this though, Why would they
take away the jewel in their rugby league crown away
from Australia. They did go down like a cup of
cold sick amongst the fan base, wouldn't it. What do
they stand to gain out of this? This is their game,
This is the one they all look forward to.
Speaker 12 (35:51):
Yeah, what should be a multifesceted strategy this from the NRL.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Look at what New Zealand now produces.
Speaker 12 (35:58):
Twenty eight to thirty percent of the players that are
playing an NROL come from New Zealand or start their
career in New Zealand. And the fan base of people
watching watching it on Sky and you know the growth
of the Warriors, all of that sort of stuff is
really good for the code and they need to be
investing into New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
And this is one way you can invest into New Zealand.
Speaker 12 (36:19):
Hasten to suggest it shouldn't be the only way, but
that you can really shine the spotlight on it and
fill Eden Park with Rugula League people, which is a
massive statement in itself.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Well, and it's been done before. We various competitions, not
not the full mickey, but the shortened competition, so people
like that. So essentially greed Peter's what's stopping this is
a big investment from either government or local council to
attract this over and without that spend, it's simpingly you're
not going to come. And then of course there's the
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Eden Park issue as well, so there are some roadblocks.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's true.
Speaker 12 (36:54):
But let's get through them and let's have some vision
on this of heat space in New Zealand and make
it happen. When you look at eden Park, you Eden
Park visus sun Court to say, you know, broadly the
same sort of number of people you get in there,
but the difference will be the investment that the Queenslany
investors potentially New Zealand are prepared.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
To put into it. So we've got to come up
to the plate and.
Speaker 12 (37:17):
You know, pay for these events if we're serious about
having them, Otherwise we're going to maybe fall off the
event cliff in New Zealand because we just don't don't
don't have that vision.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Talking about the group that you meet with that that's
a genuine fear around the combination that it will fall
off a cliff. We've had a lot of international events.
It's been brilliant, but they're pretty thin on the ground currently,
aren't they Is this realistic possibility that people just give up?
Speaker 12 (37:46):
Look, I think, you know, speaking more generally, you know,
if you look at regular world caps and other events
like that, the you know, when you look at the
ability of federation or in any so like regularly regularly
to underwrite and put on these events, that's a massive
ask because we don't have a balance sheet. So there
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are very few people that have a balance sheet that
can foot that bell. So again, if we're serious about it,
how do we find the resources to make these events
happen in New Zealand? Because international federations are looking for
the rights and guarantee and investment from local and central
government to get them off the ground.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
And you have no doubt that it would sell out
and you could I suppose charge a pretty penny for
that because i'd expect in a place like Loucam there's
league fans everywhere.
Speaker 12 (38:38):
As you touched on, I think it draw on more
than league fans. It's a multi multi fan based event,
just like many of the other events that we've had
recently that are kind of unique and one off.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
It's set scarcity factor.
Speaker 12 (38:53):
An international sport now that drives value into an event,
and you know, there'd be a lot of people that
maybe you have never been to a regul league game before,
that would love to go to an event like that,
and they certainly turn it on the NRL when they
put those matches on.
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