June 14, 2024 • 10 mins
Former All White David Chote joined D'Arcy Waldegrave to discuss the upcoming EURO football tournament kicking off in Germany.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Wildergrave
from News Talks, it'd.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Be euro gets underway, and of course with European football,
it means there's a whole lot of European football widow
or widowers because basically the fans turn off for the
next couple of weeks. David chow to be one of them.
This is big as it gets outside the World Cup, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Better tournament for me in some ways. You don't get
too many dad games. All of the sides that qualified,
six groups, four teams, they're all good, they're all capable.
So yeah, there'll be tons of football, and good football
at that.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
You say good football, what does that mean? What to you,
David Choke, you for or white former international? What does
good football require?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Well, the way the game's played now, it's total football,
isn't It's playing out from the back end and really
trying to get on the front foot.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
But of angswall off the Spurs fans are listening.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
I think sides will go out without that sort of
mindset not to lose, particularly early in the tournament. I
think they'll go to so I think it'll be reasonably
for free fighting. But as with all these tournaments, as
you get closer to the finals, the tighter it gets.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
But yeah, looking forward to opening rounds.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
And look with this, are they running VAR and presuming
they are, so that's going to probably cast a horrible
spell and the horrible shadow over the entire tournament. He said,
not like leaning one way or the other.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
It's horrible.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yeah, well, the Premier League had voted to keep it.
Most people say it's hard to unlind, hard to go back.
How invasive it becomes we shall see. But let's hope
we're not talking VAR at the end of the tournament.
I's hope we're talking about the arrival of some new
stars and starlets and some great footballing sides. And of
course the old Poms are getting excited, aren't they. Football's
coming home is ringing out around the UK and they
(01:49):
haven't even left yet. So they're hot favorites in England
and they're probably favorites with the bookies around the world.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Of them on England are a good side.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
England and France probably the two joint favorites, while the
Germans and the Spanish and the Italians little fancy their
chances as well.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Who's an outsider, who's likely fly in anyone's ointment from
what you know? David Choke?
Speaker 4 (02:11):
I looking at the groups.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
I look at that group if and Portugal who qualified
without losing a game and hardly conceding of gold, and
they were very very good and qualifying. I think that's
a tough group. But who's going to come second in
the group? Maybe Turkey, someone like Turkey. They're in with
Georgia and the Czech Republic. Maybe Turkey to go deep
in the tournament. They've got some attacking strengths, So yeah,
(02:34):
maybe someone like them could be a fly in the ointment.
But I think when you get down to it, you
go a long way to go past the French, the Spanish,
the Germans and the English.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Is the sort of favorites to go deep.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
The rock stars of this tournament and Presumer is one
of them. What other names can you throw at us?
So you think the tournament's going to rest on you?
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Reckon?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
It's better than the World Cup, And I'd say it's
a lot more pressure on European football because it's all home,
it's all amongst those crowds, and there'd be a lot
more on it. Who is more than likely to shine
under that kind of pressure.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
I'm fascinated to watch this England side because I think
Phil Foden has been as good as anyone on the
planet this season in terms of his football. Can Phil
Foden become the kind of star that can light up
a game and finally bring a trophy back for the English?
Because he's his quality quality players that he's one to
watch for sure. Bellingham also on that side, is one
(03:28):
with huge rats. So the English of a couple of
stars on their hands, there's no doubt about that. There's
a young Spanish boy whose name just a skating. He's
only sixteen. He was the youngest scorer in Spanish Spanish
football this year and his names just escaped me.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
So that's no good to you. But there will be
a star from somewhere. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I'm looking at England going can one of those guys
really light this tiam It up?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
When you consider all over Europe these teams are traveling, well,
it's over a month, isn't it. I think the finals
not till this time next month. What grounds are ones
that you look forward to playing art to watch and
being played on? Not sure if that's massively significant, but
there are some fantastic stadium with some great crowds. What
one do you think brings the best out of the game.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
I look at the German stadiums. In fact, I was in.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Germany not watching football, was going around the Christmas markets
at Christmas this year and got to look at the
Clone stadium from a distance.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
That look nice.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
The Berlin the Olympia study on seventy thousand capacity, that'll
be a good one. And the one that sort of
is I think iconic in terms of imagery is Dortmund's
ground the start on Dortmond sixty six thousand capacity, the
kind of stadium that rocks when Dortmund are going good.
So there'll be huge support for the Germans. Although I
saw the Scottish have sold out of kilts, so the
(04:52):
place will be flooded with mad Scotts running around and kilts,
so that'll be worth a watch on its own.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
You mentioned the English and how they rate themselves that
you back fill Fodin more than anything, with the likely
of these guys actually had a shoulder the burden of
trying to bring home anything. It seems like it's an
eternal loop of disaster. More than anything. I'm sorry to
English football fans out there, but when did the last celebrate?
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
They wear the responsibility and it weighs teams down, There's
no question about that. Although I listened to decent podcasts
that are the other day with Limaker and Sharer and co.
Who have been there and done that, and they think
the youth that they've got in this front six don't
seem to live in that world where they worry about
the burden of performance.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
They seem to be free from that.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
So they're hopeful that the time is right for Gareth
southgates men to go all the way with it with
a pretty exciting front six. Defensively, I think they're there
or thereabouts. Nothing too startling about them in the back
for the England side, but going forward to see their
threat will be players missing out in that side probably
(05:59):
who would walk into most other international sides.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
So they are genuinely a.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Threat and they do wear the burden, typically really badly,
but maybe their youth will give them some sort of
benefit this time around.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
David Jo looking at you're twenty four with Southgate, I'm
presuming if he can't get this done, it's curtains because
I keep hearing that he's on the cusp of being
sacked almost every year. Is this his last dance?
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Say so?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
I think when all loose, it's probably his last dance.
I think that, And by his own he seems that
kind of guy to me. He's had ten years running
at it. He knows again, if you read him or
listen to him, he strikes me as a pretty reasoned
sort of failure. He knows that the margin is fine,
and he isn't a success without lifting a trophy. At
the moment, he hasn't lifted a trophy, So he knows
the fine margins between success and failure, and without lifting
(06:47):
a trophy, he would call it failure and he will
walk away. I'm pretty sure of that. I think even
going out on top would suit him as well. He's
probably had his time with the side, but he's got
himself a stable of players who look up to the mark.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
As far as classes are concern the most mouth watering
as far as maybe styles or natural enemies. We know
England Argentina is one of them, but Argentina aren't going
to be there. But the two countries out of Europe
that really have a go at each other, what's the
one we're looking at there.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Well, I think the only match is going to be
a good Germany Scotland. I think that's going to be
a cracking match because Germans will arrive bullish full of it,
but the Scots will throw the kitchen sink at them
and they won't care so and not seducing the Scots
will cause an upset. It might blow out the other way,
but I think it will be a really sort of
good opening game. So I think that's the one Saturday morning.
I think it kicks off about eight am our time,
(07:38):
so I'm looking forward to that. As I said, in
that Group F that Portraital Turkey, those two sides excite me.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
And then in Group D France and the Dutch.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Because the Dutch are a good side and the French
clearly are favored with the likes of the saying Barbie
leading the line, Griesman pulling the strings in behind him,
They're a good side to watch under most circumstances. And
then against the Dutch, who will also fance themselves to
get out of the group, that should be a good
match as well.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
So there's a few that are mouth order.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
There are neighbors so but traditional rivalry is there one
that you really peg it on and go. These teams
genuinely hate each other, fans can't stand each other. This
could be explosive.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Well yeah, Europe is full of conflict, as we know
in football and in life. So you know there's there's Slovenia, Serbia,
the Slovakia is the Remainias. All of those nations have
huge passion for the game and backgrounds where they've taken
each other on, both on and off the field. There's
no love lost in the German England match if we
get there, and at any point.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
In time, which can happen to being on how you
come out of the group, Mum.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
The top two out of each group go through and
the the four best next qualifiers, so qualifying top gets
you the the easier path. But there's no guarantee that
even a good side like England will top the group.
But you look at their group Denmark, Serbia and Slovenia,
they should top the group. But it doesn't always happen
that way.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
It doesn't. And we'll leave you this, David Choke through
the magic of the Internet, your miles the sixteen year
old name who you're looking for? That is astonishing and
I thought that dark player getting a roll on was
pretty bad, but pretty bad.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
But this, yeah, he's the Luke Littler of footballing. Sixteen
years of age and you just wonder if there's a
time when someone will light up the tournament. That's what
you hopeful, So whether Spanish or worth a luck just
on that basis alone, sixteen years of age in the
world at his feet. Again, the weight of expectation will
(09:37):
sit on. But at sixteen, like Luke Litler in the darts,
they don't care if you're good enough, you're old enough.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Ah, the joy of youth that is fantastic from what
we both remember. David Choke, thanks very much for your time.
You have a wonderful even on a great weekend, and
I hope you come up for air at some stage
over the next month.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
As you say, footballing widows, but happily so for the
next month.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
For more from Sports Talk, listen Lived and News Talk
sa'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast.
It's on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Wildergrave
from News Talks, it'd.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Be euro gets underway, and of course with European football,
it means there's a whole lot of European football widow
or widowers because basically the fans turn off for the
next couple of weeks. David chow to be one of them.
This is big as it gets outside the World Cup, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Better tournament for me in some ways. You don't get
too many dad games. All of the sides that qualified,
six groups, four teams, they're all good, they're all capable.
So yeah, there'll be tons of football, and good football
at that.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
You say good football, what does that mean? What to you,
David Choke, you for or white former international? What does
good football require?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Well, the way the game's played now, it's total football,
isn't It's playing out from the back end and really
trying to get on the front foot.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
But of angswall off the Spurs fans are listening.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
I think sides will go out without that sort of
mindset not to lose, particularly early in the tournament. I
think they'll go to so I think it'll be reasonably
for free fighting. But as with all these tournaments, as
you get closer to the finals, the tighter it gets.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
But yeah, looking forward to opening rounds.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
And look with this, are they running VAR and presuming
they are, so that's going to probably cast a horrible
spell and the horrible shadow over the entire tournament. He said,
not like leaning one way or the other.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
It's horrible.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yeah, well, the Premier League had voted to keep it.
Most people say it's hard to unlind, hard to go back.
How invasive it becomes we shall see. But let's hope
we're not talking VAR at the end of the tournament.
I's hope we're talking about the arrival of some new
stars and starlets and some great footballing sides. And of
course the old Poms are getting excited, aren't they. Football's
coming home is ringing out around the UK and they
(01:49):
haven't even left yet. So they're hot favorites in England
and they're probably favorites with the bookies around the world.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Of them on England are a good side.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
England and France probably the two joint favorites, while the
Germans and the Spanish and the Italians little fancy their
chances as well.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Who's an outsider, who's likely fly in anyone's ointment from
what you know? David Choke?
Speaker 4 (02:11):
I looking at the groups.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
I look at that group if and Portugal who qualified
without losing a game and hardly conceding of gold, and
they were very very good and qualifying. I think that's
a tough group. But who's going to come second in
the group? Maybe Turkey, someone like Turkey. They're in with
Georgia and the Czech Republic. Maybe Turkey to go deep
in the tournament. They've got some attacking strengths, So yeah,
(02:34):
maybe someone like them could be a fly in the ointment.
But I think when you get down to it, you
go a long way to go past the French, the Spanish,
the Germans and the English.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Is the sort of favorites to go deep.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
The rock stars of this tournament and Presumer is one
of them. What other names can you throw at us?
So you think the tournament's going to rest on you?
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Reckon?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
It's better than the World Cup, And I'd say it's
a lot more pressure on European football because it's all home,
it's all amongst those crowds, and there'd be a lot
more on it. Who is more than likely to shine
under that kind of pressure.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
I'm fascinated to watch this England side because I think
Phil Foden has been as good as anyone on the
planet this season in terms of his football. Can Phil
Foden become the kind of star that can light up
a game and finally bring a trophy back for the English?
Because he's his quality quality players that he's one to
watch for sure. Bellingham also on that side, is one
(03:28):
with huge rats. So the English of a couple of
stars on their hands, there's no doubt about that. There's
a young Spanish boy whose name just a skating. He's
only sixteen. He was the youngest scorer in Spanish Spanish
football this year and his names just escaped me.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
So that's no good to you. But there will be
a star from somewhere. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I'm looking at England going can one of those guys
really light this tiam It up?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
When you consider all over Europe these teams are traveling, well,
it's over a month, isn't it. I think the finals
not till this time next month. What grounds are ones
that you look forward to playing art to watch and
being played on? Not sure if that's massively significant, but
there are some fantastic stadium with some great crowds. What
one do you think brings the best out of the game.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
I look at the German stadiums. In fact, I was in.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Germany not watching football, was going around the Christmas markets
at Christmas this year and got to look at the
Clone stadium from a distance.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
That look nice.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
The Berlin the Olympia study on seventy thousand capacity, that'll
be a good one. And the one that sort of
is I think iconic in terms of imagery is Dortmund's
ground the start on Dortmond sixty six thousand capacity, the
kind of stadium that rocks when Dortmund are going good.
So there'll be huge support for the Germans. Although I
saw the Scottish have sold out of kilts, so the
(04:52):
place will be flooded with mad Scotts running around and kilts,
so that'll be worth a watch on its own.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
You mentioned the English and how they rate themselves that
you back fill Fodin more than anything, with the likely
of these guys actually had a shoulder the burden of
trying to bring home anything. It seems like it's an
eternal loop of disaster. More than anything. I'm sorry to
English football fans out there, but when did the last celebrate?
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
They wear the responsibility and it weighs teams down, There's
no question about that. Although I listened to decent podcasts
that are the other day with Limaker and Sharer and co.
Who have been there and done that, and they think
the youth that they've got in this front six don't
seem to live in that world where they worry about
the burden of performance.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
They seem to be free from that.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
So they're hopeful that the time is right for Gareth
southgates men to go all the way with it with
a pretty exciting front six. Defensively, I think they're there
or thereabouts. Nothing too startling about them in the back
for the England side, but going forward to see their
threat will be players missing out in that side probably
(05:59):
who would walk into most other international sides.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
So they are genuinely a.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Threat and they do wear the burden, typically really badly,
but maybe their youth will give them some sort of
benefit this time around.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
David Jo looking at you're twenty four with Southgate, I'm
presuming if he can't get this done, it's curtains because
I keep hearing that he's on the cusp of being
sacked almost every year. Is this his last dance?
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Say so?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
I think when all loose, it's probably his last dance.
I think that, And by his own he seems that
kind of guy to me. He's had ten years running
at it. He knows again, if you read him or
listen to him, he strikes me as a pretty reasoned
sort of failure. He knows that the margin is fine,
and he isn't a success without lifting a trophy. At
the moment, he hasn't lifted a trophy, So he knows
the fine margins between success and failure, and without lifting
(06:47):
a trophy, he would call it failure and he will
walk away. I'm pretty sure of that. I think even
going out on top would suit him as well. He's
probably had his time with the side, but he's got
himself a stable of players who look up to the mark.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
As far as classes are concern the most mouth watering
as far as maybe styles or natural enemies. We know
England Argentina is one of them, but Argentina aren't going
to be there. But the two countries out of Europe
that really have a go at each other, what's the
one we're looking at there.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Well, I think the only match is going to be
a good Germany Scotland. I think that's going to be
a cracking match because Germans will arrive bullish full of it,
but the Scots will throw the kitchen sink at them
and they won't care so and not seducing the Scots
will cause an upset. It might blow out the other way,
but I think it will be a really sort of
good opening game. So I think that's the one Saturday morning.
I think it kicks off about eight am our time,
(07:38):
so I'm looking forward to that. As I said, in
that Group F that Portraital Turkey, those two sides excite me.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
And then in Group D France and the Dutch.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Because the Dutch are a good side and the French
clearly are favored with the likes of the saying Barbie
leading the line, Griesman pulling the strings in behind him,
They're a good side to watch under most circumstances. And
then against the Dutch, who will also fance themselves to
get out of the group, that should be a good
match as well.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
So there's a few that are mouth order.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
There are neighbors so but traditional rivalry is there one
that you really peg it on and go. These teams
genuinely hate each other, fans can't stand each other. This
could be explosive.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Well yeah, Europe is full of conflict, as we know
in football and in life. So you know there's there's Slovenia, Serbia,
the Slovakia is the Remainias. All of those nations have
huge passion for the game and backgrounds where they've taken
each other on, both on and off the field. There's
no love lost in the German England match if we
get there, and at any point.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
In time, which can happen to being on how you
come out of the group, Mum.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
The top two out of each group go through and
the the four best next qualifiers, so qualifying top gets
you the the easier path. But there's no guarantee that
even a good side like England will top the group.
But you look at their group Denmark, Serbia and Slovenia,
they should top the group. But it doesn't always happen
that way.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
It doesn't. And we'll leave you this, David Choke through
the magic of the Internet, your miles the sixteen year
old name who you're looking for? That is astonishing and
I thought that dark player getting a roll on was
pretty bad, but pretty bad.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
But this, yeah, he's the Luke Littler of footballing. Sixteen
years of age and you just wonder if there's a
time when someone will light up the tournament. That's what
you hopeful, So whether Spanish or worth a luck just
on that basis alone, sixteen years of age in the
world at his feet. Again, the weight of expectation will
(09:37):
sit on. But at sixteen, like Luke Litler in the darts,
they don't care if you're good enough, you're old enough.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Ah, the joy of youth that is fantastic from what
we both remember. David Choke, thanks very much for your time.
You have a wonderful even on a great weekend, and
I hope you come up for air at some stage
over the next month.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
As you say, footballing widows, but happily so for the
next month.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
For more from Sports Talk, listen Lived and News Talk
sa'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast.
It's on iHeartRadio.
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