June 18, 2024 • 42 mins
D'Arcy Waldegrave returns to recap an exciting week in the world of sports! Highlights for tonight include:
Former Black Caps coach Mike Hesson on why we did so badly at the T20 World Cup.
Talkback - Black Caps and the World Cup.
Warriors assistant coach Stacey Jones on the team that's been named to play the Titans.
Blues CEO Andrew Hore on the Super Rugby Pacific final being sold out already.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Waldegrave
from News Talks EDB.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Here we go again, Welcome to Sports Talks. Minutes after
seven it is. It's a Tuesday evening, eighteenth of June
twenty twenty. For my name stars at Watergrave. Thanks for
taking the time to join me for the next hours
we talk sport on the program. Catch up with Stacy
Jones later on to the piece the was. The Warriors
team has been announced playing over in Australia up against
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the Titans on Saturday afternoon. We'll take a look at
that team, the inns and the outs with Stacy Jones.
We're gonna get underwey with Mike Hessen, former black Caps coach.
Now it's officially over right, let's finish. We know, we
know that the black Cats were dead in the water
after they got beaten by the Westerns. We get that.
But now finally the procession, imagine doing this, having to
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go through the motions of playing a couple of games
that meant absolutely nothing and the expectation that you would
thrash them otherwise to be deemed even a bigger failure anyway,
it's all finn It's sill wound up. Now Mike Yessen
joins us to run a rule over what happened there
and touch on Trent Bolts. It's like Trent's retiring. I
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don't think he'll come back and play black cap cricket again, right,
he'll go in and carry on playing T twenty stuff.
But it appears that this is the end of the
road for Trent bolt What a career that man has had.
We'll take your calls after that on excuse mangering for
this side, whether it's a relevant thing or not, whether
it can wait on in or it's a case of
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shriking your shoulders and going, you know what, last first
time in two years, are really really really really really
really really bad result has fallen upon New Zealand cricket,
So hey suck it and see as far as a review,
what do we do, what do we look at? How
do we bar blamestorm? If indeed we do all that
unless is still to come and you hore CEO of
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the Blues that we touch on the sellout game coming
up on Saturday as well. Chiefs are coming up the
Motorway to take on the Blues in the final of
Super Rugby. Pacific A wee bit on this, considering both teams.
We're beaten in the last two years by the same
team who couldn't even make the eighth, So redeemped him
for somebody on Saturday night. I don't know who it's
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going to be, and I'm sure we'll focus a lot
on that as well over the coming a few days
in the lead up to Saturday. It's eight minutes after
seven before we do any of that, though. Let's touch
a wee bit of this sort today and in sport
today the Black Cabs officially about out of the T
twenty World Cup well our hammering of Minnow's Papua New
Guinea aside some sub optim I was with the ball's
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skipper came. Williamson has focused on the quality of the
surfaces in the West and really.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Rhythm to batting doesn't really exist on these wickets. Is
trying to find a method that might allow you to
get competitive totals and that's quite different, I think to
other services that are slightly more even. But you know
that's the challenge that's in front of you.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Celom's done it again. Jason Tatum talks redemption for his
NBA side.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Those moments as tough as they were, and they were
tough losing in the conference finals last year, losing in
the finals fer years ago and seeing the Warriors celebrating
the whole floor makes this moment that much sweeter.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Wise, coach Andrew Webster was playing with the media today
with this quip around the returning Roger to Ivasa chick.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
He's gonna play full back. It's a joke. It's just
on all your faces back sweet No, you just guys
would just have to wait and see.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
It's just a joke. It's just cruel. Anyway, he is
back and he's playing in the centers and the Euro's
roll along with the French tasting victory. They beat Austria
one zipsip star killing him Bae got his face crushed
in yuck, a suspected broken nose. But to the one itself,
fuck have got the job done.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
One of the favorites to go all the way this Euro.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Or aft winning.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Start and another results Belgian stuff at a one nil
defeat to Slovakia, while the Ukraine were beaten three nil
by Romania. And that's sport today. Well right now our
news talk ZB by former Black Cap coach Mike Hessen, Mike,
welcome to the show. I trust you're well after you've
been away for quite some time, haven't you.
Speaker 7 (04:36):
He always nice to be back, I see, so yeah, yeah, pleasure.
Speaker 8 (04:39):
So it's a shame.
Speaker 7 (04:40):
Where we're talking about the World Cup, which we're not
involved in anymore. But sometimes, yeah, sometimes it happens, doesn't it.
We've done at seven in a row, so I guess
we have to crash out sometimes.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
It doesn't make it any easier. And I suppose when
you look back and you look at the team that's there,
this was not a poor team. These are very good
professional cricketers, like they'd be hurting more than we are.
I suppose, first up, can you put your finger on
what didn't go right for the black Caps over there
in the windys Oh?
Speaker 7 (05:09):
I look, there was a number of factors. I mean,
just going back to your original point, I mean trump
Bolt was first of him that he thought that it
was probably one of the best T twenty squads he's
been involved with heading into a World Cup. So clearly
they were confident and there's no doubt even just listening
to them speak at the end of the World Cup,
they are absolutely devastated it, you know, and not carrying
on and going as far as they they'd like to go.
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So look, I mean the batting is probably the main thing,
isn't it. I mean it's a tough place to go,
the West Indies that even in America, the pictures have
been variable, to say the least. And I guess when
you're arrive and so many batsmen aren't in great touch.
It's hard to hit the ground running, and we certainly
didn't hit the ground running with the bat it's for sure.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Well, everybody's on the same deck, aren't they. I suppose
that argument always gets raised everyone's dealing with the same
conditions Or was that too simplastic MinC.
Speaker 8 (05:58):
No, it's not.
Speaker 7 (05:59):
It's just that if you're like if you were hadn't
played a lot of cricket and you went to India
and you found yourself on a flat one and you
could train on flat pitches, you could easily find form.
Whereas if you do that and you haven't played a
lot of cricket and then you go to the West
Indies where you know, you can't really train and the
pitches are up and down, and it makes it really
challenging to find any form.
Speaker 8 (06:19):
Of rhythm that said, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 7 (06:22):
The opposition absolutely, they you know, they have to plan
the same surface. But to be fair, both the opposition
those first two games had some warnut games as well
and actually arrive with a with a bit of form
under their belt and a bit of time in the middle.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
There's been a lot of conversation around the lack of
preparation for varying reasons through the black Caps side. Is
that an easy enough target to say this is why
things didn't work out. The team simply weren't prepared.
Speaker 7 (06:48):
I don't think it's just like that, As I said,
I think you've arrived at a tournament where you've had
a number of your players haven't from a batting point
of view, you know, number of your batsmen haven't played
any cricket at all for two three months in some instances. Now,
that's hard to just come out of bat you know,
and with some rhythm. And we saw came Williamson that
a couple of times. But as I alluded to before,
they were on very good surfaces. If you're come out
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of no cricket to come on to a wicket that's
really challenging. As I said, you just can't find your
rhythm and New Zealand had to be fair. You know,
Russian probably had one score in India and he was
probably played the most amount of cricket other than other
than Darryl Mitchell. Outside of that, you finel ins your Conways,
you Williamson's even your Glenn Phillips. Those guys hadn't batted
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in a game for some of them three months now.
To think that you're just going to be able to
rock up against Afghanistan in Guyana and.
Speaker 8 (07:39):
Be able to turn it on, it's just not going
to happen. And you know, I'm sure they were aware
of that.
Speaker 7 (07:44):
I'm just not sure what options they had in terms
of alternative arrangements.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
The scheduling does spring up an interesting point, doesn't it?
Around the dominance of all of those T twenty leagues,
specifically the IPL and the way they've wedged this World
Cup in. Do you think ICC could have done better
as far as where this could put in so teams
actually you had a decent.
Speaker 7 (08:07):
Running or oh look, I think most teams rolled organized
warm up games. I mean even Australia played with I
think seven or eight players because they had so many
returning from IPL or were involved in the finals or whatever.
Speaker 8 (08:19):
So I mean that happens at every World Cup.
Speaker 7 (08:21):
There are always logistical challenges of how you can get
your squad there, whether they're playing in England, IPL or
whatever it might be.
Speaker 8 (08:29):
So you know, those are not new.
Speaker 7 (08:32):
I guess the difference for the West Indies is that,
as I said, the practice pitchers are so inadequate that
it's not like you can turn up and do your
work off the park. And that's where you know size
like Australia, we're pretty much all of that batting lineup
have been playing every game in the IPL. You know,
to just plug and play straight into a World Cup
is pretty straightforward in that instance.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
So even a couple of warm up games probably wouldn't
have helped. I suppose you look at the form of
the players through the IPL, but again that's not their
decision of the bat or not, unless, of course they dominate,
in which case they get put in. So it's a
perfect storm, isn't it.
Speaker 7 (09:08):
Mike, Oh, look, it's just that's just the reality of
We have England tours as well, often that are straight
after the IPL. So you know, New Zealand Cricket have
done really well to keep players engaged by allowing them
the IPR window, and that hence that's why we don't
have is too many players go down the Trent Bolt
route at the moment. So New Zealand Cricket have been
aware of that and there are always challenges in terms
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of building up for those series. But I think one
or two warm up games in the Westerns would have
made a massive difference. I mean, you look at Devin
Conway and you look at the form that he was
in today compared to where he was the first couple
of games. You know, that's distinctly different, even on a
really tough surface. So it's just how you're able to
find them and the flexibility that you can create.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
So that was then, this is now looking forward for
New Zealand cricket. Plainly, knee jerk responses are not ideal.
You've got to ruminate over what happened and where to now.
A concept that's been floated quite a lot of the
last couple of years is separate coaching sides for the
T twin side for the One day internationals for the
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Test team, mostly Mike. It's been said we simply haven't
got a big enough Paul to do that. Looking at
what happened back in the World Cup, is there may
be extra strength behind that concept now that maybe it
does have to be separated and have specialist players.
Speaker 7 (10:22):
Oh look, I don't think so. I mean our best
players still have best players. I think that's you know,
you can see that with all the teams around the world.
Speaker 8 (10:29):
I mean, it's not like.
Speaker 7 (10:30):
We don't have more than some of the other bigger nations.
So I think it's just unrealistic. It's also unrealistic to
think that, you know, players don't have the ambition to
play more than one format as well, and that's actually
going to make them be better players as well.
Speaker 8 (10:42):
So look, I don't think there needs to be a
need reaction.
Speaker 7 (10:45):
I mean the reality is we lost two games of
cricket against two very good T twenty sides. I mean
Afghanistan and Guyana. That's the one place in the world
you don't want to play them, and they completely outplayed
us and looked well prepared. The West Indies we had
them on the ropes. It was pretty much one partnership
that we couldn't get rid of schaffein Rutherford. So it's
two games of T twenty So I certainly don't think
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you need to have a massive revamp, but you still
need to review it, and you still need to challenge
the process of how you got to that point. I
certainly don't think it's you know, it's a train smashed
by any stretch.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
You're a former coach, Mike Hessen, You're and it's like
when teams don't go right, everyone's looking for a scapegoat
and it's easy to sack the coach than the entire team.
Do you think Gary Steed's still on solid ground?
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (11:29):
Stity has done a wonderful job since taking over and
towards the back end of two eighteen, so I think
that I'm not even sure how long his contract is.
But yeah, it's a bit of an easy target, really,
isn't it that, as you said, the team doesn't have
a great tournament and all of a sudden the coach
is under the pump. So I think you review Gary
Steed like you review everybody else. You know, you look
at the good and the bad, and you know there's
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certainly a heck of a lot more good than there
is bad.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Let's look at the positives, because I think it's important
that you take some of the good out of that. Look,
it's not been a great performance. It's been a decade
of fantastic performances from the black Caps across a number
of formats. So let's try and find what was good
out of this and push that forward. Is there anything
that shines to you, Mike Hessan.
Speaker 8 (12:09):
Oh, I think the bowling was exceptional.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
I mean, I think the probably one of the one
of the problems is that the best part of the
bowling was Bolton Soudy, and they're both obviously nearing the
ends rather than the start of their career. So you know,
those two showed their class and I think New Zealand
looked way better once Tim Souley came back into that lineup,
especially in those conditions. You know, Mitch Satan is very
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good and he continues to be one of the best
in the world in this format. Lackie Ferguson is sort
of back to his best. You know, we saw an
exceptional performance today, but even throughout the tournament he's been good,
and that was a bit of a worry heading into it.
He hadn't been in vintage form. So that bowling attack's
been good. Glenn Phillips, you know is performing a really
tough role and he's young in his development, but I
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think he's showed some really good signs. Yeah, I mean
outside of that, you know, the batting group really struggled
as a group. I don't think there's any any doubting that,
and I think they will love to to get back
to New Zealand or to Parksta for that Champions Trophy
and play on some flat wickets where they can really
show these skills.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
You mentioned Trent Bolt. What an astonishing career that man
has had. When you look back when he first started
he got used as a bowling machine over Australia. I
know that's a long time ago now, but blossomed into
one of our greats. It looks like he's not going
to be involved anymore, although you never know, but I
think he's called time on his international career. You look
back and refleet, you've worked with him a lot. That
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guy is quite something else. What a standout for New Zealand.
Speaker 7 (13:37):
Yeah, an exceptional career and you know he deserves all
the bullets and recognition that he gets. I mean, remember
when Trent first came on board with New Zealand, he
was an exceptional New Bull bowler. But outside of that,
you know, he was quite limited and the skills he had,
and you know he's continued to work and develop over
his game, and in those sort of fifteen sixteen years
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that he's been involved in the international game, he's now
a better bowler than than what he has at any
stage throughout his career, or probably a more complete.
Speaker 8 (14:06):
He might have been quicker at certain.
Speaker 7 (14:08):
Times, but he's the most complete bowler at the moment
that he can be, and we will really miss him.
You know, that combination bolts how they as I said,
with the ability they swing at the opposite direction so
all the cross breezes at all the grounds around the world.
Speaker 8 (14:24):
They're just an awesome combination.
Speaker 7 (14:26):
So we might find some other right armors, but I
can't see any other left arms that swing the ball
into the right hand is sort of floating around New
Zealand at the moment, so hopefully, hopefully one of them
pops up. But he will be missed, and we certainly
cheerish the time that we had him.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
And finally, Mike Hessing, thanks so much for your time.
As always, how do you think it's worked for American cricket?
Is the traction there. Do you think this has succeeded
so far? I know we're not to the point at end,
but this is a big part of this tournament being
played in the West Indies and the States to try
and get some eyeballs. Is it working well?
Speaker 8 (15:00):
I think it is.
Speaker 7 (15:01):
I think you just have to look at some social
media posts around schools, not from not from people doing
it to gain traction, just from kids that are actually
just loving the game. And I guess when you when
you start to get school kids talking about the T
twenty World Carpon and America, then that's that's as good
as it gets, really and that's how we got involved
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in the game in the first place. So I think
it's exciting opportunity and hopefully a real good chance to
grow the game.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
And on that we'll let you get on with your day.
Mike Hessen, always a pleasure, Thanks very much for yours.
Speaker 8 (15:32):
Thanks Buddy chess Way.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
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It's twenty two after seven. It's the former head coach
of the black Caps, Mike Hesson, taking a look back
at a tournament that promised so much and delivered nothing
at all except out and out disappointment. I think might
make some really good points around what has to happen now,
about holding a collective breath before lashing out. Indeed, if
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we do lash out, make decisions, but don't do it
under the shadow of disaster. Just breathe. So what went
wrong for you? You look back and you isolate anything
in particular around that display from the Black Caps? What
was it? What was the one thing that stood out
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for you? And you went, do you know what? This
just isn't good enough aside everything else, and a number
of different aspects have been identified by players and captains
and coaches and broadcasters. Are like one for you that said,
this is why this campaign failed, and failed dismally because
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it did good team, not a great team, but fine cricketers,
and they just puttered out of the competition twenty three
minutes after seven lines are open on eight hundred eight
ten eighty, and this is it. There's no more cricket
now for I don't know how long. I'd suggest we've
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got a Super Rugby Final coming up. Then we've got
a small matter of an all Black selection coming up.
Watched under a week's time and we've got an all
black season. I'm not entirely sure how much more cricket
will get vent your spleen play the blame game. I'd
love to hear from you. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
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I've got a pile of text as well. Nine two
ninety two. That's zb ZB. If you'd like to send
your response that way, please do. But I'd rather hear
your voice. O. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty What went
so horribly horribly wrong? Now the curtain has been drawn
on what has been an awful tournament for a national
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cricket team. Twenty four past.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
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Speaker 2 (18:30):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty lines are opening context
nineteen nineteen. That ZBZB is standard text charge that will
attract Let's get to the phone though, Let's talk hi Ross.
How are you if you find a bright light in this?
Have you?
Speaker 9 (18:46):
Absolutely? I think one of the positives that have come
out of this this tournament so far is the emergence
of Canada and America as teams, and I can see
in the in the near future where they're going to
be a test force to be reckoned with because the
number of Indians that I've lived in Canada and spent
a bit of time in the States, the number of
Indians that are over there that love their cricket and
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they're representing the country that's embraced them or taken them in,
and just the way they approach the game. I think
it's just so it's so exciting that if we don't
watch out, we're going to get usurped by these teams
that have total and absolute and utter passion, which we
seem not to have.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I think we've got passion Ross. I think that's unfair,
and I don't think you could accuse the black Caps
of not having any passion. I think shoddy lead up
and terrible application in those first couple of games, because
regardless of what people say about the batting and the decks,
there are a couple of occasions where the black Caps
had those games in the bag and they just dropped
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it absolutely and that to me is I wouldn't say unforgivable.
It's a game of sport, but it makes it really,
really hard to process knowing they were so close yet
in the space of a few balls gave it all away.
It's gut wrenching to me.
Speaker 9 (20:05):
But you know, but getting back to what originally said,
America and Canada and maybe there's going to be a
few other teams Afghanistan, they're going to come through and
they're going to give us a run for our money.
So I don't think we can afford to take any
of these teams lightly, like I think they took Afghanistan
so lightly. It was unbelievable in that first Test. I mean,
Alan first ball going to smack the guy over the
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head for a six went out for a pearl or
of a war, and then from then on it was downhill.
They these other teams said, if they get a sniff,
by gosh, they're going to take that with both hands,
and we're going to see a whole new change of
the pecking order in cricket. I reckon in the next
five or ten years.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Well, I hope so rare. So I hope that more
nations engage in the game of cricket. And what we've
seen from Afghanistan and the way they've connected and clicked
so early, and their piece has been incredible. Nepal is one.
I've heard a lot about what they can do. You
mentioned a lot of expats in Canada and the USA
and what they can apply to it. I just hope
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that what we've seen in this world is enough to
attract enough eyeballs to the game in the States so
it can get some traction, because like how many people
are over there? Is it to eighty million and three.
Speaker 9 (21:17):
Millionaires heat but the first five million Indians and that's
most revy enough for them to get enough eyeballs.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Well, you need some form of traction. And if you
only get a tiny, tiny, tiny percentage of three hundred
and thirty million, you're getting a bit percented. So it
could be something to look out for. But your lack
of passion from the black Caps wouldn't say that lack
of application. I'd say that because that was poor. As
for fin Nowen, that's kind of the way he rolls.
It wasn't He tries to hit himself in the form
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right from the get go and just doesn't seem to work.
As a fear to blame the pitch. That's what came
Williamson saying it was really hard to get going pictures
the same for everybody, right right. These are professional cricketers
and as Mike Hesson pointed out, they just didn't have
enough time in the middle. How do you work that
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through to the benefit of this country? Do you just
shrug your shoulders and go, hey, it's T twenty, it's sure,
it's smashing bash. You play Paul in a couple of games,
it's over. Just accept it, Hey, Trevor, Oh, I see
you mate, I'm not so bad all things said and done.
How about yourself?
Speaker 5 (22:26):
Oh?
Speaker 10 (22:26):
Oh good mane good? You know, I think most people
say it's just disappointed by that. Cats and cats and
you know, I'm not playing tops fall in that. But
it was quite astonishing that they had those no warm
up games, and was a little bit of talk about
the players wanted to spend some more time with their
family for the company. I know that's all debatable when
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people said they have to nap, but if we're just
ranging about results, I think most people would find it
astonishing that they had no warm up game. Mind knowing, isn't.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
It Where's Mike pointed out that by help by crook,
you try and get something in regardless, But if you're
playing for the best part of several months and you're
not really playing any you're sitting on the sideline waiting.
You can understand why the team were in the space
to actually get anything done when it really mattered. But
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you still look at those games. The Western is in Afghanistan.
It's not like they got blown off the park. That
wasn't the case they had. I think with the West
Indies it's going to be hard to beat them because
they were at home and that excerauent of energy and
they played on that deck. But there were the Black
Cats found themselves in very very strong positions which they fumbled.
They muffed their lines. That's difficult to accept.
Speaker 10 (23:38):
And true and maybe if they had the odd warm
up game they would have won those games. But just
on the World Cup in general, I mean it as
a venus, it's his. I mean, twenty over World Cup
of Cricket. We're seeing four overs for no runs and
teams getting thirty nine runs and twenty nine runs.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
I think failure, I think, Trevor.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
What I'll do is I wait to the end of
the tournament. I'll wait till we get to the actual
crunch games where decent teams are playing d teams and
then you can ascertain the success of the tournament from there.
But I'd suggest once the Canadians and the USA and
the like are out, they'll probably lose eyeballs over there.
Like not anymore.
Speaker 10 (24:17):
We're not interested in that absolutely. And you know, I mean,
you know, has it caught the hinds and ears of Americans? Now?
I know, people that live in America have chosen America
to be there. You know, that's their future, that's their lives.
But a lot of the teams that I saw playing
over then, in the American team and Canadian teams are
people that probably had cricket in their blood and the
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supporters had cricket in their blood.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Expected that the expect community is just as relevant as
the regular you can say, a regular America. I mean,
America is based on people building new lives, isn't it.
If you go buy into that, and you've got a
whole other people of an extraction that love cricket tap
into it. Because, as I said before, a tiny percentage
of three hundred and thirty million is pretty impressive.
Speaker 10 (25:01):
Oh no, you did, right, But you know, I mean,
was this world success? I've been watching them the run
score and the total depth of scored and the crowds.
I mean the crowds were you know, as a country
a four hundred meter I think, but you've got to
say number when you look at some of the other
cricket World Cups were physically a lot of the crowds.
And I'm just wondering whether you know, people will say
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as a success. And I just asked why, well, and.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
It's like I suppose taking State of Origin to Eden Park,
you know, why don't we just leave cricket where it's
played and loved and we'll get the crowds. But they're
dead set on expanding the brand. And you saw what
happened with rugby when they tried that in Super Rugby.
Speaker 10 (25:37):
Yeah, yeah, no, I just you know, I just think
you a twenty twenty one. I mean you just think, well,
I mean, we're not near the we're getting close. But
has this been a great twenty twenty World Cup of Cricket?
Speaker 2 (25:50):
I doubt it in my opinion, Trevor, And thanks very
much for your call. And he Zealand didn't make it
out of the first round, so it's been terrible. And
that's a purely selfish opinion. I'm allowed to have that.
It's my show. I'll think how I want twenty five
minutes to eight as a sports talk on Newstalk's Beadlines,
raping O one hundred and eighty ten eighty sell out
of Eden park a OO didn't work last time for
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the Blues. Will it work this time? We will see?
Twenty five away from each.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
When you're upping is bad?
Speaker 10 (26:26):
How am I up?
Speaker 5 (26:27):
Enjoying?
Speaker 4 (26:34):
But you better not kill?
Speaker 2 (26:41):
From eight? Stacy Jones are joined us soon as said,
we take a look at the team announced to take
on the Titans on Saturday in the NRLs, getting phiry
toy for that team. They've got to win. I think
it's a seventy percent of their remaining games to be
assured a space in the funals. My MAT's terrible, so
it's stand to be proven wrong around that one. But
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they've got to get winning. Can't start on the week.
Got the team. I'll read that team for you shortly,
he bevin, how are you hey?
Speaker 11 (27:11):
Good? Thanks? I got to ask you a question, why
are you such a fence sitter? I mean, you know,
like Hessen did absolutely zippy and now we've got Steed
who's just so conservative and him and instead and him
and Williamson are on the same kind of boat. And
it was all started by David White. And my question is,
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and what I think what needs to happen is that
people should not be in those positions. David White was
in that role for far too long. What do you think.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
I wasn't a big fan of what David White brought
to the party. I really wasn't. But when you look
at the results under Stead and Williamson and Hessen, it's
really hard to argue. Now. I believe that they're very careful.
Williamson's very careful, Steed's very careful. But on the bulk
of the results, compared to what we've had, I think
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we've done pretty well, don't you.
Speaker 11 (28:07):
Well, I totally disagree. I mean, I mean, if you
go back fifteen years, we basically taught Bangladesh how to
play cricket. We've taught Afghanistan how to play cricket, and
even before that, we taught Sri Lanka how to play cricket.
And now they're beating us like we were, like you
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
We I didn't say we taught anyone how to play cricket.
Speaker 11 (28:26):
Well, we did, because nobody would want to come down
to New Zealand because it's so far away. But they
came and they were learning, and then they took the skills,
they got the experience, and what did we walk away with?
We walked away with nothing.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
I'd say, Bib, I get that you're enraged, but you're
basing this on one failure to t twenty World Cup?
Isn't that a bit rich?
Speaker 11 (28:49):
Not really, No, I think I think that. No, I'm
just saying that I think that it's time for a change.
And the thing is that I think that Williamson and
and and Steed so Stead or Steed the Steed Steed,
but yeah, Steed, they're too cozy and it shouldn't be
like that. I mean, you think about as you know,
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all the spinners that Williamson just would never play in
a cricket team wouldn't even pick a spinner. So, like
you know before, I mean, I love Williamson, he's a
great batsman, but before everybody pumps up his tires that
that whole strategy they worked together and they said, no,
we're not going to play a spinner. So tell me
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why that was.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Well, don't know, I'm not them. I just think, Bevan,
thanks for your call and thanks for your passion as well.
That you're putting a lot on a couple of lost
games in a T twenty, it seems illfully knee jerk
and let's hope that the national team doesn't do that. Yeah,
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Williamson's very careful. Steed's very careful. And there are some
games previously test matches back here in his ill and
opening the series where we got rolled and that was
pretty distressing and maybe it is time for them to
move on. But based purely on one tournament, I think
that's a little on the tough side. Plenty of texts
(30:17):
have come on and I'll run through some of them
for you shortly. But next, you know what we're going
to do. We're gonna talk about the Wars. Next. That
team has come out that's going to be playing on
Saturday afternoon. It's the Warriors via the Titans and Nickel
Klok starred Corsey Sheck. It's two of Vasa Pomby Montoya,
Martin and Johnson and then in the pack Vanua, Blake,
(30:41):
Egan Ford Near Corre Walker and Harris and Interchange Harris
de Vita a Labor Twanga and La. Of course, this
is just a list, it's not definitive, but that is
the team named. And joining us next is Stacy Jones
to discuss that it's seventeen away from eight SCY one
(31:01):
warrious coach Stacy Jones that joins the show now, Stacey,
welcome to you gotta team that is out now or
the list anyway coming up for your game up against
the Titans. And I suppose we look at it and
most people go, oh, Roger to I vasishek is back?
Probably not the hardest decision espeechally when you consider Rocco
Berry was injured last week, which is just awful for
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him and the site. He's a great player.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
Yeah that actually, that's right.
Speaker 12 (31:26):
You know, Rocco picked up a shoulder injury and he's
gone for scans and he could be up for it
for a week while there.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
Obviously Roger could have played last.
Speaker 12 (31:36):
Week, but we felt we didn't need to make any
changes to especially to our backfield positions, because they'd all
been playing really well and we knew that it wouldn't
be long before Roger would find him himself back in
the team in tough circumstances. But he's certainly a handy
replacement for us to have for outside backs.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Talking abou outside backs, no dullin Martin's LEGIONI ark Edward,
of course he is in there, and what's up with Dullhan.
Speaker 12 (32:02):
He copped the one week suspension for a he got
synd on on the weekend for a tackle off the ball,
and so he's paid the price for being careless on
the field. So he's having a week on the sideline.
So certainly, you know, doesn't help out our situation and
didn't help us on on Saturday night when.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
He spent ten minutes in the synd along with the
other one.
Speaker 13 (32:24):
It's not ideal.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Tell us about Edward Cossi and what he brings to
the park. Still a young guy developing, He's got all
the power in the world, still room to move though,
as far as improvement in his game, what does he
offer Stacey?
Speaker 12 (32:36):
Yeah, look, Costs play has played really well for our
reserve grade team who's been playing some really good footing
and winning winning as well.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
So Costs.
Speaker 12 (32:44):
His last game for US was against the Dolphins here
at home, and I thought he had a really good
night that night. And you know he'll get some confidence
from from that and the thing that that what cost
does really good is he brings the ball back very strong,
you know, when they kick it to him. If he's
not carrying play one, he'd definitely try and carry play two.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
And then he gets.
Speaker 12 (33:02):
You you go forward, going going really well. So he's
done a good job for us there in the penwith
game magic round. So he's certainly going to go into
the game with a bit of confidence behind Huges.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
For the two players that aren't going to be there
in the form of a Queenslander and new South Welshman
Capwell and Bunnett not there, great for them, maybe not
so good for you guys. So the replacements rolling in
to help out with that, alais Laban I'm presuming are
four possibly.
Speaker 12 (33:32):
Yeah no, not not ideal losing players, but a good
reward for them.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
And I know, especially Mitch has been near our best
player every week.
Speaker 12 (33:41):
And Kurt has sort of found himself back into some
form as far as getting on the field. You know,
he's been hampered with injury since he's been there, but
he's sort of found himself reads strung together a couple
of games for us, so you know, and you know,
obviously Queensland. Know what he brings to them, the versatility
of being able to play in the forwards and move
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to the to the edge.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
He's an ideal bench player in that situation.
Speaker 12 (34:06):
So yeah, really good for those two players, and the
players coming in get an opportunity obviously, Jacob tom and
moving Dylan Walker to the edge eag back row gives
us real good punch there.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
So you know, we're pretty.
Speaker 12 (34:19):
Happy with the players that have come in and the
versatility that they bring, or to free up tall Arista
to get back into the starting side and do what
he can do.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
And then what it.
Speaker 12 (34:29):
Also allows us to do is player plays that's played
really good football for us in Chanel Tavita Harris. You
know when you moved on and Walker to an edge
who plays a lot in the middle, we were able
to play Chanew there get.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
Him some good minutes, So exciting for us.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Nonetheless, you were to pick the game apart Stacey Jones
from last week, but a shocking are of a start,
fantastic beginning after twenty minutes, it's all just kind of
dissipated what happened.
Speaker 12 (34:55):
Yeah, look, you know, I certainly can't fault what they did.
If it was we just had moments of lapses and concentration.
You know, we didn't refuse a couple of kicks that
they put up and scored off us early, you know,
where we put a couple of kicks out on the
fall gave you know obviously the penalties that we gave
away and to lead to symptoms. So yeah, very disappointed
(35:16):
from from that aspect that you know, we weren't smart
and didn't execute those things. But you know, we can't
fault the effort that we had. But yeah, we've got
to be a better than that.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
What about your heart? Seawn Johnson back from injury again,
probably not at his best. I'd say he went missing
to a degree? Is that fair? And you're expecting it
a little more from him now that he's got one
game under his belt.
Speaker 12 (35:39):
You know, we are, and you know, to Sean's defense,
I felt he probably didn't want to come here and
take over too much where had been the center of
a folkus point of our attack, and it probably showed
a bit too much. I think it probably showed too
much that he didn't get involved as much as.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
He as we would have liked.
Speaker 12 (35:57):
And he knows that him and to Mighty have had
a really good, good chat and sit down with Webbe
and gone through all of that. So yeah, we'll expect
to see more of Sean, especially in key moments on
the weekend. And you know, it was a little bit
of rustiness there for Sean being out for some time,
but yeah, he's going to be much better.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Sorry you didn't bring him back too early. It was
about the right time.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
He was fit, he was ready to go.
Speaker 12 (36:19):
Yeah, like I said, he probably felt he didn't want
to come in and take away too much what Tomighty
had been doing, you know. So you know, and it
was a little bit difficult for Tomighty moving to the
left side of the field where he being predominantly right
and his role on the weekend was to be more
on the ball, and it was probably just getting more,
getting Sean involved a bit more, but not coming back
and taking over too much, you know, which he has
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been the big focal point of our attack in the past,
so it was just a bit of a learning thing
where you know, we make sure that we get the
right balance.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Said that, afternoon, Rabina, what have the Titans got? What
are you looking at, Stacey?
Speaker 12 (36:54):
Look, they attack deep in yardage, They moved the ball,
they got really quick outside backs.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
The young key we fall back Kanu Kinney is very dangerous.
You know.
Speaker 12 (37:03):
There's a lot of really good fullbacks in the game
that are elusive and he's no different, you know. And
the Fords, Aaron Clark, a Kiwy boy, is leave there
as far as ball playing and also being a bit
of a muscleman for them, playing some really good footy.
He played really well against Sucy Lash last time we
played them, I think was round date and he stood
up and the old filler Karen Forhan really getting their
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team around the field, playing some really good footy, kicking
the ball really well.
Speaker 5 (37:30):
So yeah, they've got some real dangers there for us.
Speaker 12 (37:34):
And those three Kiwi boys that I named will be
up for a big game against against US.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
You're not overly interested in those because of where they
were born, Kiwi coach Stacy Jones.
Speaker 12 (37:43):
Look, we'll look at them very closely every week. So yeah,
they're playing some good footy. So there's some really good
players running around that have got you know that a
Kiwi so pretty excited on that aspect. But I'm hoping
this is one game that those boys probably have a
quiet night. Is what I'd like to say, The.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Right call is your call, Sports All in your home
of sports, NEWSTALKSB.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
It's ten minutes to hey. We joined shortly by Andrew Hall,
CEO of the Blues, so they can look at the
sellout matches sold out the Chiefs up against the Blues
coming up on Saturday night. We're talking to CEO about
that and why well, two great teams playing great football.
There's a small mountain range between them. Why wouldn't it
(38:32):
be sold out?
Speaker 4 (38:33):
Right?
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Both teams trying to erase the stain and being beaten
by the Crusaders over the last couple of years.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
This is NEWSTALKSB.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Is your book stuff?
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Work against is your truck breaks?
Speaker 2 (38:55):
I'm running now on Sports Talk by a very happy
chief executive officer. We're talking Andrew Whore from the Blues
sell out today. Andrew G that was quick.
Speaker 14 (39:06):
Yeah, it sort of shows. I think it's an accumulation
of a lot of things.
Speaker 13 (39:10):
Though.
Speaker 14 (39:10):
I think we've had a you know, if you look
at the broadcast figures and social and even our rise
in crowds this year, I think I think there's been
an interest around the comp So you're sort of reverting
a bit to yesteryear in some ways they just it
was just phenomenal how quickly the computer was clicking over people,
you know, slepping their seats, which is wonderful. It's great
for the game and I think it shows that Auckland
(39:33):
is big enough, you know, for two major codes.
Speaker 13 (39:36):
To coexist, particularly two rugby codes.
Speaker 14 (39:38):
We produced the most talent in the world and I
just think it's great. I think it's great for the
city and great for the region.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Build it and they will come when and they'll turn
up as well. You look at the final couple of
years ago packed out as well. People love success Andrew
it's not a trick, I don't think.
Speaker 13 (39:54):
Yeah, I think there's an element of that.
Speaker 14 (39:56):
I think though, we've got to think more broadly as well,
and how do we get the competition as a whole
supported weekend week out to the same degree as probably
the New Zealand teams are and just hammer at home
then start to bring this so that almost you know
every week you're getting bigger numbers. I think Eden Park's
always going to be hard to feel for a domestic side,
(40:18):
but we can weak out. But we've had some great
highlights with the previous Chiefs game and the Hurricanes game
where it was twenty six one thousand that was full
of the other stadium in the country pretty much. So yeah,
we're pretty pretty delighted with the way things are going.
Success has been great, it's how do we now continue.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Helps that the Chiefs are in the final just up
the road. You they have plenty of the Hordes marauding
across the Bombays to turn up, wouldn't you.
Speaker 13 (40:42):
I think that's going to be on the case.
Speaker 14 (40:45):
That's great too, Like they'll bring an energy in an
atmosphere which we're excited about. And I think two teams
that have really played very similar really take it to
the opposition.
Speaker 13 (40:55):
So it's too it is like too heavy.
Speaker 14 (40:56):
White Box is going to go hard at it, and
we're extremely excited about that and really are looking forward
to it.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Andre Hall joined the CEO of the Blues this year.
It had an extra edge for a number of reasons.
Is there a dominant reason in your eyes why this
competition has started to appeal to the fans.
Speaker 14 (41:17):
I think we've got to get and this is to
the powers of b and both national bodies get in
behind this commission.
Speaker 13 (41:23):
It's the commission that encouraged.
Speaker 14 (41:27):
It was just Kevin malloy initially the review of the rules,
so it made it more fan appealing. We've started to
see the breakthrough of more out of afternoon games. I
think of that Hurricanes game, you know, it was an afternoon,
late afternoon fixture. So I think my gut feel is
we've really got to roll in behind this commission now.
Speaker 13 (41:45):
It's the start of a new dawn in a new era.
It's one where.
Speaker 14 (41:49):
I think they're putting the fan front and center and
then combining what we've already always had, which is outstanding rugby,
and there's a lot to look forward to. It's just
allowing and empowering this commission to take hold of this
competition and drive it forward.
Speaker 13 (42:04):
And I think the national will derive the benefit from.
Speaker 14 (42:07):
It because we'll start generating more income that can be
put back into the game and the various levels. So
it's exceptionally exciting times ahead.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Gee it is thanks to Andrew Horse CEO or the
Blues Saler on Saturday night. That's it from me Sports
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(42:40):
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Speaker 1 (42:52):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Here we go again, Welcome to Sports Talks. Minutes after
seven it is. It's a Tuesday evening, eighteenth of June
twenty twenty. For my name stars at Watergrave. Thanks for
taking the time to join me for the next hours
we talk sport on the program. Catch up with Stacy
Jones later on to the piece the was. The Warriors
team has been announced playing over in Australia up against
(00:35):
the Titans on Saturday afternoon. We'll take a look at
that team, the inns and the outs with Stacy Jones.
We're gonna get underwey with Mike Hessen, former black Caps coach.
Now it's officially over right, let's finish. We know, we
know that the black Cats were dead in the water
after they got beaten by the Westerns. We get that.
But now finally the procession, imagine doing this, having to
(00:58):
go through the motions of playing a couple of games
that meant absolutely nothing and the expectation that you would
thrash them otherwise to be deemed even a bigger failure anyway,
it's all finn It's sill wound up. Now Mike Yessen
joins us to run a rule over what happened there
and touch on Trent Bolts. It's like Trent's retiring. I
(01:22):
don't think he'll come back and play black cap cricket again, right,
he'll go in and carry on playing T twenty stuff.
But it appears that this is the end of the
road for Trent bolt What a career that man has had.
We'll take your calls after that on excuse mangering for
this side, whether it's a relevant thing or not, whether
it can wait on in or it's a case of
(01:42):
shriking your shoulders and going, you know what, last first
time in two years, are really really really really really
really really bad result has fallen upon New Zealand cricket,
So hey suck it and see as far as a review,
what do we do, what do we look at? How
do we bar blamestorm? If indeed we do all that
unless is still to come and you hore CEO of
(02:05):
the Blues that we touch on the sellout game coming
up on Saturday as well. Chiefs are coming up the
Motorway to take on the Blues in the final of
Super Rugby. Pacific A wee bit on this, considering both teams.
We're beaten in the last two years by the same
team who couldn't even make the eighth, So redeemped him
for somebody on Saturday night. I don't know who it's
(02:25):
going to be, and I'm sure we'll focus a lot
on that as well over the coming a few days
in the lead up to Saturday. It's eight minutes after
seven before we do any of that, though. Let's touch
a wee bit of this sort today and in sport
today the Black Cabs officially about out of the T
twenty World Cup well our hammering of Minnow's Papua New
Guinea aside some sub optim I was with the ball's
(02:47):
skipper came. Williamson has focused on the quality of the
surfaces in the West and really.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Rhythm to batting doesn't really exist on these wickets. Is
trying to find a method that might allow you to
get competitive totals and that's quite different, I think to
other services that are slightly more even. But you know
that's the challenge that's in front of you.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Celom's done it again. Jason Tatum talks redemption for his
NBA side.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Those moments as tough as they were, and they were
tough losing in the conference finals last year, losing in
the finals fer years ago and seeing the Warriors celebrating
the whole floor makes this moment that much sweeter.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Wise, coach Andrew Webster was playing with the media today
with this quip around the returning Roger to Ivasa chick.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
He's gonna play full back. It's a joke. It's just
on all your faces back sweet No, you just guys
would just have to wait and see.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
It's just a joke. It's just cruel. Anyway, he is
back and he's playing in the centers and the Euro's
roll along with the French tasting victory. They beat Austria
one zipsip star killing him Bae got his face crushed
in yuck, a suspected broken nose. But to the one itself,
fuck have got the job done.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
One of the favorites to go all the way this Euro.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Or aft winning.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Start and another results Belgian stuff at a one nil
defeat to Slovakia, while the Ukraine were beaten three nil
by Romania. And that's sport today. Well right now our
news talk ZB by former Black Cap coach Mike Hessen, Mike,
welcome to the show. I trust you're well after you've
been away for quite some time, haven't you.
Speaker 7 (04:36):
He always nice to be back, I see, so yeah, yeah, pleasure.
Speaker 8 (04:39):
So it's a shame.
Speaker 7 (04:40):
Where we're talking about the World Cup, which we're not
involved in anymore. But sometimes, yeah, sometimes it happens, doesn't it.
We've done at seven in a row, so I guess
we have to crash out sometimes.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
It doesn't make it any easier. And I suppose when
you look back and you look at the team that's there,
this was not a poor team. These are very good
professional cricketers, like they'd be hurting more than we are.
I suppose, first up, can you put your finger on
what didn't go right for the black Caps over there
in the windys Oh?
Speaker 7 (05:09):
I look, there was a number of factors. I mean,
just going back to your original point, I mean trump
Bolt was first of him that he thought that it
was probably one of the best T twenty squads he's
been involved with heading into a World Cup. So clearly
they were confident and there's no doubt even just listening
to them speak at the end of the World Cup,
they are absolutely devastated it, you know, and not carrying
on and going as far as they they'd like to go.
(05:30):
So look, I mean the batting is probably the main thing,
isn't it. I mean it's a tough place to go,
the West Indies that even in America, the pictures have
been variable, to say the least. And I guess when
you're arrive and so many batsmen aren't in great touch.
It's hard to hit the ground running, and we certainly
didn't hit the ground running with the bat it's for sure.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Well, everybody's on the same deck, aren't they. I suppose
that argument always gets raised everyone's dealing with the same
conditions Or was that too simplastic MinC.
Speaker 8 (05:58):
No, it's not.
Speaker 7 (05:59):
It's just that if you're like if you were hadn't
played a lot of cricket and you went to India
and you found yourself on a flat one and you
could train on flat pitches, you could easily find form.
Whereas if you do that and you haven't played a
lot of cricket and then you go to the West
Indies where you know, you can't really train and the
pitches are up and down, and it makes it really
challenging to find any form.
Speaker 8 (06:19):
Of rhythm that said, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 7 (06:22):
The opposition absolutely, they you know, they have to plan
the same surface. But to be fair, both the opposition
those first two games had some warnut games as well
and actually arrive with a with a bit of form
under their belt and a bit of time in the middle.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
There's been a lot of conversation around the lack of
preparation for varying reasons through the black Caps side. Is
that an easy enough target to say this is why
things didn't work out. The team simply weren't prepared.
Speaker 7 (06:48):
I don't think it's just like that, As I said,
I think you've arrived at a tournament where you've had
a number of your players haven't from a batting point
of view, you know, number of your batsmen haven't played
any cricket at all for two three months in some instances. Now,
that's hard to just come out of bat you know,
and with some rhythm. And we saw came Williamson that
a couple of times. But as I alluded to before,
they were on very good surfaces. If you're come out
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of no cricket to come on to a wicket that's
really challenging. As I said, you just can't find your
rhythm and New Zealand had to be fair. You know,
Russian probably had one score in India and he was
probably played the most amount of cricket other than other
than Darryl Mitchell. Outside of that, you finel ins your Conways,
you Williamson's even your Glenn Phillips. Those guys hadn't batted
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in a game for some of them three months now.
To think that you're just going to be able to
rock up against Afghanistan in Guyana and.
Speaker 8 (07:39):
Be able to turn it on, it's just not going
to happen. And you know, I'm sure they were aware
of that.
Speaker 7 (07:44):
I'm just not sure what options they had in terms
of alternative arrangements.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
The scheduling does spring up an interesting point, doesn't it?
Around the dominance of all of those T twenty leagues,
specifically the IPL and the way they've wedged this World
Cup in. Do you think ICC could have done better
as far as where this could put in so teams
actually you had a decent.
Speaker 7 (08:07):
Running or oh look, I think most teams rolled organized
warm up games. I mean even Australia played with I
think seven or eight players because they had so many
returning from IPL or were involved in the finals or whatever.
Speaker 8 (08:19):
So I mean that happens at every World Cup.
Speaker 7 (08:21):
There are always logistical challenges of how you can get
your squad there, whether they're playing in England, IPL or
whatever it might be.
Speaker 8 (08:29):
So you know, those are not new.
Speaker 7 (08:32):
I guess the difference for the West Indies is that,
as I said, the practice pitchers are so inadequate that
it's not like you can turn up and do your
work off the park. And that's where you know size
like Australia, we're pretty much all of that batting lineup
have been playing every game in the IPL. You know,
to just plug and play straight into a World Cup
is pretty straightforward in that instance.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
So even a couple of warm up games probably wouldn't
have helped. I suppose you look at the form of
the players through the IPL, but again that's not their
decision of the bat or not, unless, of course they dominate,
in which case they get put in. So it's a
perfect storm, isn't it.
Speaker 7 (09:08):
Mike, Oh, look, it's just that's just the reality of
We have England tours as well, often that are straight
after the IPL. So you know, New Zealand Cricket have
done really well to keep players engaged by allowing them
the IPR window, and that hence that's why we don't
have is too many players go down the Trent Bolt
route at the moment. So New Zealand Cricket have been
aware of that and there are always challenges in terms
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of building up for those series. But I think one
or two warm up games in the Westerns would have
made a massive difference. I mean, you look at Devin
Conway and you look at the form that he was
in today compared to where he was the first couple
of games. You know, that's distinctly different, even on a
really tough surface. So it's just how you're able to
find them and the flexibility that you can create.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
So that was then, this is now looking forward for
New Zealand cricket. Plainly, knee jerk responses are not ideal.
You've got to ruminate over what happened and where to now.
A concept that's been floated quite a lot of the
last couple of years is separate coaching sides for the
T twin side for the One day internationals for the
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Test team, mostly Mike. It's been said we simply haven't
got a big enough Paul to do that. Looking at
what happened back in the World Cup, is there may
be extra strength behind that concept now that maybe it
does have to be separated and have specialist players.
Speaker 7 (10:22):
Oh look, I don't think so. I mean our best
players still have best players. I think that's you know,
you can see that with all the teams around the world.
Speaker 8 (10:29):
I mean, it's not like.
Speaker 7 (10:30):
We don't have more than some of the other bigger nations.
So I think it's just unrealistic. It's also unrealistic to
think that, you know, players don't have the ambition to
play more than one format as well, and that's actually
going to make them be better players as well.
Speaker 8 (10:42):
So look, I don't think there needs to be a
need reaction.
Speaker 7 (10:45):
I mean the reality is we lost two games of
cricket against two very good T twenty sides. I mean
Afghanistan and Guyana. That's the one place in the world
you don't want to play them, and they completely outplayed
us and looked well prepared. The West Indies we had
them on the ropes. It was pretty much one partnership
that we couldn't get rid of schaffein Rutherford. So it's
two games of T twenty So I certainly don't think
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you need to have a massive revamp, but you still
need to review it, and you still need to challenge
the process of how you got to that point. I
certainly don't think it's you know, it's a train smashed
by any stretch.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
You're a former coach, Mike Hessen, You're and it's like
when teams don't go right, everyone's looking for a scapegoat
and it's easy to sack the coach than the entire team.
Do you think Gary Steed's still on solid ground?
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (11:29):
Stity has done a wonderful job since taking over and
towards the back end of two eighteen, so I think
that I'm not even sure how long his contract is.
But yeah, it's a bit of an easy target, really,
isn't it that, as you said, the team doesn't have
a great tournament and all of a sudden the coach
is under the pump. So I think you review Gary
Steed like you review everybody else. You know, you look
at the good and the bad, and you know there's
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certainly a heck of a lot more good than there
is bad.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Let's look at the positives, because I think it's important
that you take some of the good out of that. Look,
it's not been a great performance. It's been a decade
of fantastic performances from the black Caps across a number
of formats. So let's try and find what was good
out of this and push that forward. Is there anything
that shines to you, Mike Hessan.
Speaker 8 (12:09):
Oh, I think the bowling was exceptional.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
I mean, I think the probably one of the one
of the problems is that the best part of the
bowling was Bolton Soudy, and they're both obviously nearing the
ends rather than the start of their career. So you know,
those two showed their class and I think New Zealand
looked way better once Tim Souley came back into that lineup,
especially in those conditions. You know, Mitch Satan is very
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good and he continues to be one of the best
in the world in this format. Lackie Ferguson is sort
of back to his best. You know, we saw an
exceptional performance today, but even throughout the tournament he's been good,
and that was a bit of a worry heading into it.
He hadn't been in vintage form. So that bowling attack's
been good. Glenn Phillips, you know is performing a really
tough role and he's young in his development, but I
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think he's showed some really good signs. Yeah, I mean
outside of that, you know, the batting group really struggled
as a group. I don't think there's any any doubting that,
and I think they will love to to get back
to New Zealand or to Parksta for that Champions Trophy
and play on some flat wickets where they can really
show these skills.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
You mentioned Trent Bolt. What an astonishing career that man
has had. When you look back when he first started
he got used as a bowling machine over Australia. I
know that's a long time ago now, but blossomed into
one of our greats. It looks like he's not going
to be involved anymore, although you never know, but I
think he's called time on his international career. You look
back and refleet, you've worked with him a lot. That
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guy is quite something else. What a standout for New Zealand.
Speaker 7 (13:37):
Yeah, an exceptional career and you know he deserves all
the bullets and recognition that he gets. I mean, remember
when Trent first came on board with New Zealand, he
was an exceptional New Bull bowler. But outside of that,
you know, he was quite limited and the skills he had,
and you know he's continued to work and develop over
his game, and in those sort of fifteen sixteen years
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that he's been involved in the international game, he's now
a better bowler than than what he has at any
stage throughout his career, or probably a more complete.
Speaker 8 (14:06):
He might have been quicker at certain.
Speaker 7 (14:08):
Times, but he's the most complete bowler at the moment
that he can be, and we will really miss him.
You know, that combination bolts how they as I said,
with the ability they swing at the opposite direction so
all the cross breezes at all the grounds around the world.
Speaker 8 (14:24):
They're just an awesome combination.
Speaker 7 (14:26):
So we might find some other right armors, but I
can't see any other left arms that swing the ball
into the right hand is sort of floating around New
Zealand at the moment, so hopefully, hopefully one of them
pops up. But he will be missed, and we certainly
cheerish the time that we had him.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
And finally, Mike Hessing, thanks so much for your time.
As always, how do you think it's worked for American cricket?
Is the traction there. Do you think this has succeeded
so far? I know we're not to the point at end,
but this is a big part of this tournament being
played in the West Indies and the States to try
and get some eyeballs. Is it working well?
Speaker 8 (15:00):
I think it is.
Speaker 7 (15:01):
I think you just have to look at some social
media posts around schools, not from not from people doing
it to gain traction, just from kids that are actually
just loving the game. And I guess when you when
you start to get school kids talking about the T
twenty World Carpon and America, then that's that's as good
as it gets, really and that's how we got involved
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in the game in the first place. So I think
it's exciting opportunity and hopefully a real good chance to
grow the game.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
And on that we'll let you get on with your day.
Mike Hessen, always a pleasure, Thanks very much for yours.
Speaker 8 (15:32):
Thanks Buddy chess Way.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
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Speaker 2 (15:44):
It's twenty two after seven. It's the former head coach
of the black Caps, Mike Hesson, taking a look back
at a tournament that promised so much and delivered nothing
at all except out and out disappointment. I think might
make some really good points around what has to happen now,
about holding a collective breath before lashing out. Indeed, if
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we do lash out, make decisions, but don't do it
under the shadow of disaster. Just breathe. So what went
wrong for you? You look back and you isolate anything
in particular around that display from the Black Caps? What
was it? What was the one thing that stood out
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for you? And you went, do you know what? This
just isn't good enough aside everything else, and a number
of different aspects have been identified by players and captains
and coaches and broadcasters. Are like one for you that said,
this is why this campaign failed, and failed dismally because
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it did good team, not a great team, but fine cricketers,
and they just puttered out of the competition twenty three
minutes after seven lines are open on eight hundred eight
ten eighty, and this is it. There's no more cricket
now for I don't know how long. I'd suggest we've
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got a Super Rugby Final coming up. Then we've got
a small matter of an all Black selection coming up.
Watched under a week's time and we've got an all
black season. I'm not entirely sure how much more cricket
will get vent your spleen play the blame game. I'd
love to hear from you. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
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your response that way, please do. But I'd rather hear
your voice. O. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty What went
so horribly horribly wrong? Now the curtain has been drawn
on what has been an awful tournament for a national
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cricket team. Twenty four past.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
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Speaker 2 (18:30):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty lines are opening context
nineteen nineteen. That ZBZB is standard text charge that will
attract Let's get to the phone though, Let's talk hi Ross.
How are you if you find a bright light in this?
Have you?
Speaker 9 (18:46):
Absolutely? I think one of the positives that have come
out of this this tournament so far is the emergence
of Canada and America as teams, and I can see
in the in the near future where they're going to
be a test force to be reckoned with because the
number of Indians that I've lived in Canada and spent
a bit of time in the States, the number of
Indians that are over there that love their cricket and
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they're representing the country that's embraced them or taken them in,
and just the way they approach the game. I think
it's just so it's so exciting that if we don't
watch out, we're going to get usurped by these teams
that have total and absolute and utter passion, which we
seem not to have.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I think we've got passion Ross. I think that's unfair,
and I don't think you could accuse the black Caps
of not having any passion. I think shoddy lead up
and terrible application in those first couple of games, because
regardless of what people say about the batting and the decks,
there are a couple of occasions where the black Caps
had those games in the bag and they just dropped
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it absolutely and that to me is I wouldn't say unforgivable.
It's a game of sport, but it makes it really,
really hard to process knowing they were so close yet
in the space of a few balls gave it all away.
It's gut wrenching to me.
Speaker 9 (20:05):
But you know, but getting back to what originally said,
America and Canada and maybe there's going to be a
few other teams Afghanistan, they're going to come through and
they're going to give us a run for our money.
So I don't think we can afford to take any
of these teams lightly, like I think they took Afghanistan
so lightly. It was unbelievable in that first Test. I mean,
Alan first ball going to smack the guy over the
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head for a six went out for a pearl or
of a war, and then from then on it was downhill.
They these other teams said, if they get a sniff,
by gosh, they're going to take that with both hands,
and we're going to see a whole new change of
the pecking order in cricket. I reckon in the next
five or ten years.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Well, I hope so rare. So I hope that more
nations engage in the game of cricket. And what we've
seen from Afghanistan and the way they've connected and clicked
so early, and their piece has been incredible. Nepal is one.
I've heard a lot about what they can do. You
mentioned a lot of expats in Canada and the USA
and what they can apply to it. I just hope
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that what we've seen in this world is enough to
attract enough eyeballs to the game in the States so
it can get some traction, because like how many people
are over there? Is it to eighty million and three.
Speaker 9 (21:17):
Millionaires heat but the first five million Indians and that's
most revy enough for them to get enough eyeballs.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Well, you need some form of traction. And if you
only get a tiny, tiny, tiny percentage of three hundred
and thirty million, you're getting a bit percented. So it
could be something to look out for. But your lack
of passion from the black Caps wouldn't say that lack
of application. I'd say that because that was poor. As
for fin Nowen, that's kind of the way he rolls.
It wasn't He tries to hit himself in the form
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right from the get go and just doesn't seem to work.
As a fear to blame the pitch. That's what came
Williamson saying it was really hard to get going pictures
the same for everybody, right right. These are professional cricketers
and as Mike Hesson pointed out, they just didn't have
enough time in the middle. How do you work that
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through to the benefit of this country? Do you just
shrug your shoulders and go, hey, it's T twenty, it's sure,
it's smashing bash. You play Paul in a couple of games,
it's over. Just accept it, Hey, Trevor, Oh, I see
you mate, I'm not so bad all things said and done.
How about yourself?
Speaker 5 (22:26):
Oh?
Speaker 10 (22:26):
Oh good mane good? You know, I think most people
say it's just disappointed by that. Cats and cats and
you know, I'm not playing tops fall in that. But
it was quite astonishing that they had those no warm
up games, and was a little bit of talk about
the players wanted to spend some more time with their
family for the company. I know that's all debatable when
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people said they have to nap, but if we're just
ranging about results, I think most people would find it
astonishing that they had no warm up game. Mind knowing, isn't.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
It Where's Mike pointed out that by help by crook,
you try and get something in regardless, But if you're
playing for the best part of several months and you're
not really playing any you're sitting on the sideline waiting.
You can understand why the team were in the space
to actually get anything done when it really mattered. But
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you still look at those games. The Western is in Afghanistan.
It's not like they got blown off the park. That
wasn't the case they had. I think with the West
Indies it's going to be hard to beat them because
they were at home and that excerauent of energy and
they played on that deck. But there were the Black
Cats found themselves in very very strong positions which they fumbled.
They muffed their lines. That's difficult to accept.
Speaker 10 (23:38):
And true and maybe if they had the odd warm
up game they would have won those games. But just
on the World Cup in general, I mean it as
a venus, it's his. I mean, twenty over World Cup
of Cricket. We're seeing four overs for no runs and
teams getting thirty nine runs and twenty nine runs.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
I think failure, I think, Trevor.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
What I'll do is I wait to the end of
the tournament. I'll wait till we get to the actual
crunch games where decent teams are playing d teams and
then you can ascertain the success of the tournament from there.
But I'd suggest once the Canadians and the USA and
the like are out, they'll probably lose eyeballs over there.
Like not anymore.
Speaker 10 (24:17):
We're not interested in that absolutely. And you know, I mean,
you know, has it caught the hinds and ears of Americans? Now?
I know, people that live in America have chosen America
to be there. You know, that's their future, that's their lives.
But a lot of the teams that I saw playing
over then, in the American team and Canadian teams are
people that probably had cricket in their blood and the
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supporters had cricket in their blood.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Expected that the expect community is just as relevant as
the regular you can say, a regular America. I mean,
America is based on people building new lives, isn't it.
If you go buy into that, and you've got a
whole other people of an extraction that love cricket tap
into it. Because, as I said before, a tiny percentage
of three hundred and thirty million is pretty impressive.
Speaker 10 (25:01):
Oh no, you did, right, But you know, I mean,
was this world success? I've been watching them the run
score and the total depth of scored and the crowds.
I mean the crowds were you know, as a country
a four hundred meter I think, but you've got to
say number when you look at some of the other
cricket World Cups were physically a lot of the crowds.
And I'm just wondering whether you know, people will say
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as a success. And I just asked why, well, and.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
It's like I suppose taking State of Origin to Eden Park,
you know, why don't we just leave cricket where it's
played and loved and we'll get the crowds. But they're
dead set on expanding the brand. And you saw what
happened with rugby when they tried that in Super Rugby.
Speaker 10 (25:37):
Yeah, yeah, no, I just you know, I just think
you a twenty twenty one. I mean you just think, well,
I mean, we're not near the we're getting close. But
has this been a great twenty twenty World Cup of Cricket?
Speaker 2 (25:50):
I doubt it in my opinion, Trevor, And thanks very
much for your call. And he Zealand didn't make it
out of the first round, so it's been terrible. And
that's a purely selfish opinion. I'm allowed to have that.
It's my show. I'll think how I want twenty five
minutes to eight as a sports talk on Newstalk's Beadlines,
raping O one hundred and eighty ten eighty sell out
of Eden park a OO didn't work last time for
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the Blues. Will it work this time? We will see?
Twenty five away from each.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
When you're upping is bad?
Speaker 10 (26:26):
How am I up?
Speaker 5 (26:27):
Enjoying?
Speaker 4 (26:34):
But you better not kill?
Speaker 2 (26:41):
From eight? Stacy Jones are joined us soon as said,
we take a look at the team announced to take
on the Titans on Saturday in the NRLs, getting phiry
toy for that team. They've got to win. I think
it's a seventy percent of their remaining games to be
assured a space in the funals. My MAT's terrible, so
it's stand to be proven wrong around that one. But
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they've got to get winning. Can't start on the week.
Got the team. I'll read that team for you shortly,
he bevin, how are you hey?
Speaker 11 (27:11):
Good? Thanks? I got to ask you a question, why
are you such a fence sitter? I mean, you know,
like Hessen did absolutely zippy and now we've got Steed
who's just so conservative and him and instead and him
and Williamson are on the same kind of boat. And
it was all started by David White. And my question is,
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and what I think what needs to happen is that
people should not be in those positions. David White was
in that role for far too long. What do you think.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
I wasn't a big fan of what David White brought
to the party. I really wasn't. But when you look
at the results under Stead and Williamson and Hessen, it's
really hard to argue. Now. I believe that they're very careful.
Williamson's very careful, Steed's very careful. But on the bulk
of the results, compared to what we've had, I think
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we've done pretty well, don't you.
Speaker 11 (28:07):
Well, I totally disagree. I mean, I mean, if you
go back fifteen years, we basically taught Bangladesh how to
play cricket. We've taught Afghanistan how to play cricket, and
even before that, we taught Sri Lanka how to play cricket.
And now they're beating us like we were, like you
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
We I didn't say we taught anyone how to play cricket.
Speaker 11 (28:26):
Well, we did, because nobody would want to come down
to New Zealand because it's so far away. But they
came and they were learning, and then they took the skills,
they got the experience, and what did we walk away with?
We walked away with nothing.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
I'd say, Bib, I get that you're enraged, but you're
basing this on one failure to t twenty World Cup?
Isn't that a bit rich?
Speaker 11 (28:49):
Not really, No, I think I think that. No, I'm
just saying that I think that it's time for a change.
And the thing is that I think that Williamson and
and and Steed so Stead or Steed the Steed Steed,
but yeah, Steed, they're too cozy and it shouldn't be
like that. I mean, you think about as you know,
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all the spinners that Williamson just would never play in
a cricket team wouldn't even pick a spinner. So, like
you know before, I mean, I love Williamson, he's a
great batsman, but before everybody pumps up his tires that
that whole strategy they worked together and they said, no,
we're not going to play a spinner. So tell me
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why that was.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Well, don't know, I'm not them. I just think, Bevan,
thanks for your call and thanks for your passion as well.
That you're putting a lot on a couple of lost
games in a T twenty, it seems illfully knee jerk
and let's hope that the national team doesn't do that. Yeah,
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Williamson's very careful. Steed's very careful. And there are some
games previously test matches back here in his ill and
opening the series where we got rolled and that was
pretty distressing and maybe it is time for them to
move on. But based purely on one tournament, I think
that's a little on the tough side. Plenty of texts
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have come on and I'll run through some of them
for you shortly. But next, you know what we're going
to do. We're gonna talk about the Wars. Next. That
team has come out that's going to be playing on
Saturday afternoon. It's the Warriors via the Titans and Nickel
Klok starred Corsey Sheck. It's two of Vasa Pomby Montoya,
Martin and Johnson and then in the pack Vanua, Blake,
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Egan Ford Near Corre Walker and Harris and Interchange Harris
de Vita a Labor Twanga and La. Of course, this
is just a list, it's not definitive, but that is
the team named. And joining us next is Stacy Jones
to discuss that it's seventeen away from eight SCY one
(31:01):
warrious coach Stacy Jones that joins the show now, Stacey,
welcome to you gotta team that is out now or
the list anyway coming up for your game up against
the Titans. And I suppose we look at it and
most people go, oh, Roger to I vasishek is back?
Probably not the hardest decision espeechally when you consider Rocco
Berry was injured last week, which is just awful for
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him and the site. He's a great player.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
Yeah that actually, that's right.
Speaker 12 (31:26):
You know, Rocco picked up a shoulder injury and he's
gone for scans and he could be up for it
for a week while there.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
Obviously Roger could have played last.
Speaker 12 (31:36):
Week, but we felt we didn't need to make any
changes to especially to our backfield positions, because they'd all
been playing really well and we knew that it wouldn't
be long before Roger would find him himself back in
the team in tough circumstances. But he's certainly a handy
replacement for us to have for outside backs.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Talking abou outside backs, no dullin Martin's LEGIONI ark Edward,
of course he is in there, and what's up with Dullhan.
Speaker 12 (32:02):
He copped the one week suspension for a he got
synd on on the weekend for a tackle off the ball,
and so he's paid the price for being careless on
the field. So he's having a week on the sideline.
So certainly, you know, doesn't help out our situation and
didn't help us on on Saturday night when.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
He spent ten minutes in the synd along with the
other one.
Speaker 13 (32:24):
It's not ideal.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Tell us about Edward Cossi and what he brings to
the park. Still a young guy developing, He's got all
the power in the world, still room to move though,
as far as improvement in his game, what does he
offer Stacey?
Speaker 12 (32:36):
Yeah, look, Costs play has played really well for our
reserve grade team who's been playing some really good footing
and winning winning as well.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
So Costs.
Speaker 12 (32:44):
His last game for US was against the Dolphins here
at home, and I thought he had a really good
night that night. And you know he'll get some confidence
from from that and the thing that that what cost
does really good is he brings the ball back very strong,
you know, when they kick it to him. If he's
not carrying play one, he'd definitely try and carry play two.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
And then he gets.
Speaker 12 (33:02):
You you go forward, going going really well. So he's
done a good job for us there in the penwith
game magic round. So he's certainly going to go into
the game with a bit of confidence behind Huges.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
For the two players that aren't going to be there
in the form of a Queenslander and new South Welshman
Capwell and Bunnett not there, great for them, maybe not
so good for you guys. So the replacements rolling in
to help out with that, alais Laban I'm presuming are
four possibly.
Speaker 12 (33:32):
Yeah no, not not ideal losing players, but a good
reward for them.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
And I know, especially Mitch has been near our best
player every week.
Speaker 12 (33:41):
And Kurt has sort of found himself back into some
form as far as getting on the field. You know,
he's been hampered with injury since he's been there, but
he's sort of found himself reads strung together a couple
of games for us, so you know, and you know,
obviously Queensland. Know what he brings to them, the versatility
of being able to play in the forwards and move
(34:01):
to the to the edge.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
He's an ideal bench player in that situation.
Speaker 12 (34:06):
So yeah, really good for those two players, and the
players coming in get an opportunity obviously, Jacob tom and
moving Dylan Walker to the edge eag back row gives
us real good punch there.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
So you know, we're pretty.
Speaker 12 (34:19):
Happy with the players that have come in and the
versatility that they bring, or to free up tall Arista
to get back into the starting side and do what
he can do.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
And then what it.
Speaker 12 (34:29):
Also allows us to do is player plays that's played
really good football for us in Chanel Tavita Harris. You
know when you moved on and Walker to an edge
who plays a lot in the middle, we were able
to play Chanew there get.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
Him some good minutes, So exciting for us.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Nonetheless, you were to pick the game apart Stacey Jones
from last week, but a shocking are of a start,
fantastic beginning after twenty minutes, it's all just kind of
dissipated what happened.
Speaker 12 (34:55):
Yeah, look, you know, I certainly can't fault what they did.
If it was we just had moments of lapses and concentration.
You know, we didn't refuse a couple of kicks that
they put up and scored off us early, you know,
where we put a couple of kicks out on the
fall gave you know obviously the penalties that we gave
away and to lead to symptoms. So yeah, very disappointed
(35:16):
from from that aspect that you know, we weren't smart
and didn't execute those things. But you know, we can't
fault the effort that we had. But yeah, we've got
to be a better than that.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
What about your heart? Seawn Johnson back from injury again,
probably not at his best. I'd say he went missing
to a degree? Is that fair? And you're expecting it
a little more from him now that he's got one
game under his belt.
Speaker 12 (35:39):
You know, we are, and you know, to Sean's defense,
I felt he probably didn't want to come here and
take over too much where had been the center of
a folkus point of our attack, and it probably showed
a bit too much. I think it probably showed too
much that he didn't get involved as much as.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
He as we would have liked.
Speaker 12 (35:57):
And he knows that him and to Mighty have had
a really good, good chat and sit down with Webbe
and gone through all of that. So yeah, we'll expect
to see more of Sean, especially in key moments on
the weekend. And you know, it was a little bit
of rustiness there for Sean being out for some time,
but yeah, he's going to be much better.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Sorry you didn't bring him back too early. It was
about the right time.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
He was fit, he was ready to go.
Speaker 12 (36:19):
Yeah, like I said, he probably felt he didn't want
to come in and take away too much what Tomighty
had been doing, you know. So you know, and it
was a little bit difficult for Tomighty moving to the
left side of the field where he being predominantly right
and his role on the weekend was to be more
on the ball, and it was probably just getting more,
getting Sean involved a bit more, but not coming back
and taking over too much, you know, which he has
(36:41):
been the big focal point of our attack in the past,
so it was just a bit of a learning thing
where you know, we make sure that we get the
right balance.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Said that, afternoon, Rabina, what have the Titans got? What
are you looking at, Stacey?
Speaker 12 (36:54):
Look, they attack deep in yardage, They moved the ball,
they got really quick outside backs.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
The young key we fall back Kanu Kinney is very dangerous.
You know.
Speaker 12 (37:03):
There's a lot of really good fullbacks in the game
that are elusive and he's no different, you know. And
the Fords, Aaron Clark, a Kiwy boy, is leave there
as far as ball playing and also being a bit
of a muscleman for them, playing some really good footy.
He played really well against Sucy Lash last time we
played them, I think was round date and he stood
up and the old filler Karen Forhan really getting their
(37:26):
team around the field, playing some really good footy, kicking
the ball really well.
Speaker 5 (37:30):
So yeah, they've got some real dangers there for us.
Speaker 12 (37:34):
And those three Kiwi boys that I named will be
up for a big game against against US.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
You're not overly interested in those because of where they
were born, Kiwi coach Stacy Jones.
Speaker 12 (37:43):
Look, we'll look at them very closely every week. So yeah,
they're playing some good footy. So there's some really good
players running around that have got you know that a
Kiwi so pretty excited on that aspect. But I'm hoping
this is one game that those boys probably have a
quiet night. Is what I'd like to say, The.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Right call is your call, Sports All in your home
of sports, NEWSTALKSB.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
It's ten minutes to hey. We joined shortly by Andrew Hall,
CEO of the Blues, so they can look at the
sellout matches sold out the Chiefs up against the Blues
coming up on Saturday night. We're talking to CEO about
that and why well, two great teams playing great football.
There's a small mountain range between them. Why wouldn't it
(38:32):
be sold out?
Speaker 4 (38:33):
Right?
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Both teams trying to erase the stain and being beaten
by the Crusaders over the last couple of years.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
This is NEWSTALKSB.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Is your book stuff?
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Work against is your truck breaks?
Speaker 2 (38:55):
I'm running now on Sports Talk by a very happy
chief executive officer. We're talking Andrew Whore from the Blues
sell out today. Andrew G that was quick.
Speaker 14 (39:06):
Yeah, it sort of shows. I think it's an accumulation
of a lot of things.
Speaker 13 (39:10):
Though.
Speaker 14 (39:10):
I think we've had a you know, if you look
at the broadcast figures and social and even our rise
in crowds this year, I think I think there's been
an interest around the comp So you're sort of reverting
a bit to yesteryear in some ways they just it
was just phenomenal how quickly the computer was clicking over people,
you know, slepping their seats, which is wonderful. It's great
for the game and I think it shows that Auckland
(39:33):
is big enough, you know, for two major codes.
Speaker 13 (39:36):
To coexist, particularly two rugby codes.
Speaker 14 (39:38):
We produced the most talent in the world and I
just think it's great. I think it's great for the
city and great for the region.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Build it and they will come when and they'll turn
up as well. You look at the final couple of
years ago packed out as well. People love success Andrew
it's not a trick, I don't think.
Speaker 13 (39:54):
Yeah, I think there's an element of that.
Speaker 14 (39:56):
I think though, we've got to think more broadly as well,
and how do we get the competition as a whole
supported weekend week out to the same degree as probably
the New Zealand teams are and just hammer at home
then start to bring this so that almost you know
every week you're getting bigger numbers. I think Eden Park's
always going to be hard to feel for a domestic side,
(40:18):
but we can weak out. But we've had some great
highlights with the previous Chiefs game and the Hurricanes game
where it was twenty six one thousand that was full
of the other stadium in the country pretty much. So yeah,
we're pretty pretty delighted with the way things are going.
Success has been great, it's how do we now continue.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Helps that the Chiefs are in the final just up
the road. You they have plenty of the Hordes marauding
across the Bombays to turn up, wouldn't you.
Speaker 13 (40:42):
I think that's going to be on the case.
Speaker 14 (40:45):
That's great too, Like they'll bring an energy in an
atmosphere which we're excited about. And I think two teams
that have really played very similar really take it to
the opposition.
Speaker 13 (40:55):
So it's too it is like too heavy.
Speaker 14 (40:56):
White Box is going to go hard at it, and
we're extremely excited about that and really are looking forward
to it.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Andre Hall joined the CEO of the Blues this year.
It had an extra edge for a number of reasons.
Is there a dominant reason in your eyes why this
competition has started to appeal to the fans.
Speaker 14 (41:17):
I think we've got to get and this is to
the powers of b and both national bodies get in
behind this commission.
Speaker 13 (41:23):
It's the commission that encouraged.
Speaker 14 (41:27):
It was just Kevin malloy initially the review of the rules,
so it made it more fan appealing. We've started to
see the breakthrough of more out of afternoon games. I
think of that Hurricanes game, you know, it was an afternoon,
late afternoon fixture. So I think my gut feel is
we've really got to roll in behind this commission now.
Speaker 13 (41:45):
It's the start of a new dawn in a new era.
It's one where.
Speaker 14 (41:49):
I think they're putting the fan front and center and
then combining what we've already always had, which is outstanding rugby,
and there's a lot to look forward to. It's just
allowing and empowering this commission to take hold of this
competition and drive it forward.
Speaker 13 (42:04):
And I think the national will derive the benefit from.
Speaker 14 (42:07):
It because we'll start generating more income that can be
put back into the game and the various levels. So
it's exceptionally exciting times ahead.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Gee it is thanks to Andrew Horse CEO or the
Blues Saler on Saturday night. That's it from me Sports
Fixed Duddy podcast release at four o'clock. Catch it where
all your good podcasts lurk iHeartRadio. It's called Fixed with
Darcy and Jason Pine and it's Middleseense. Thanks for reducing
the program thanks to the calls of the textas and
(42:40):
all of your ears. I'm Darcy Cinema.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
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