June 27, 2024 • 9 mins
Kiwi motorsport fans have been teased with the possibility that Liam Lawson may get a permanent F1 slot.
Red Bull boss Helmut Marko has hinted that Daniel Ricciardo may get the chop and Liam will replace him.
D'Arcy Waldegrave spoke to motorsport commentator Bob McMurray about how much we can really trust this.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Waldergrave
from News Talk zedb.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Bob McMurray joins the program. Now, as we look at
the long running saga of the key we who can't
quite get himself a Formula one seat. Bob plenty of
experienced thirty years with McLaren. You know how this works,
Paddock rumors, potential lost, potential money, beckers, non beckers.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
It is a soap opera, isn't it, Bob? And welcome,
Thank you Darcy. Well, yeah, it is turning into one.
And I'm very wary of this. I mean, this is
all centered around to some quotes that the famous helmet
Mico made to an Austrian or German media channel, and basically,
I mean he said that the shareholders of Red Bull
(00:56):
have reminded him or reminded the team. The Red Bull
was set up for a young driver academy, almost for
Formula One, and he said, now that Ricardo's in there,
it's not so. I mean his quote was, the aim
was for Ricardo to qualify qualify for a return to
Red Bull Racing with exceptional performances. That seat now belongs
to Sergio Perez. So the plan is off the table.
(01:17):
We'll have to put in a young driver soon. That
would be Liam Lawson. So that's his quote, which is wonderful,
and you know, you think, oh wow, this is pretty
on there. But listen, let's get back to Helmut, Marco
and Red Bull. If that quote is true, if it's
translated properly, and if Marco is not trying to spark
up Ricardo again, and if he meant what he actually said.
(01:41):
He's often misquoted deliberately so, and if he's not trying
to boost any possible Audi involvement, because they've been talking
about Liam Lawson as well, at least the press have,
which means that Red Bull do not have to play
a team PUDI to take him off their hands. And
if Marco is not playing political games, then it's certainly possible.
(02:01):
In other words, yeah, there's a chance. There's the same
chance that's been there all the time, except Marco has
just added another brick to the wall of that chance.
So we can only see what happened Arci in hope.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
To be honest, what about the power game sitting here?
This is the big thing, isn't it. The Christian Horner
camp with Riccardo and the Marco camp with Lawson. When
Marco talks of the shareholders, is that the fifty one
percent majority or is that the forty nine percent cause
a ruckus?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah, I forgot to mention that there is this battle
going on between Marco and Horner and who owns what
and who's allowed to do what. Now. There is no
doubt that Horner has got a bit of acendency over
Helmet Marco in that team because Marco's main backer has
what he died. I mean, that's unfortunate for him, but
(02:51):
it's a bit rude when all this is going on.
For Liam Lawson, it would have been a very easy transition,
you would think. But yes, there is a power battle
going on. Who calls the shots now on drivers? I
don't know. But by Helmet Mico's saying this, he has
reminded the shareholders JET generally, which is I guess he's
talking about the Red Bull people in Austria and he's
(03:13):
going to include the the fifty one percent the tie
version of that. He's got to remind them that it
is set up for a junior team. Maybe he's just
trying to get a bit of a sendency back in
his own severe of influence, which was all his drivers
and young drivers. So if Liam Lawson is in the
middle of that battle as well, well it's not going
(03:34):
to go well. But the thing is there again, Sergio
Perez has got his drive next year and Ricardo has not.
If you look on the facts of it, Ricardo has
not come up to the mark as yet to actually
get a seat in Red Bulls, so he ain't going
to get one. So do they keep him there? Well,
this is what Marco was saying, we're a young driver
(03:56):
system and this is for young drivers, and there's a
few races yet left for Ricardo to make his mark
before the summer break hopefully, which is I'm not sure
you count up. I think it's four races? Was it
for maybe five races to go? So yeah, it's there's
a lot to happen. There's a lot to happen. I
(04:17):
just get nervous when all these things come out and
they talk about Liam getting his drive. Well, it's exactly
the same chance as it was, as simple as that.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
So the support for Marco is that with the tie
or is that with the people that are running Redborn Austria.
So who's got the web Ham when you look at
percentages or is that just simply too basic to apply?
Speaker 3 (04:38):
No, when all the arguments were going on, it was
fifty one percent, which is the Tie version, the guy
who actually invented the drink, believe it or not. The
Austrian version only developed it into a marketable product. So
the Tie guy who invented it and developed it, they
own the fifty one percent. Now that is split between
(04:58):
him and his family and all sorts of things, but
he controls it. The forty nine percent, which is helmet.
Marco's backers are the Austrians. That was the that's where
he came from. He's Austrian. He was immediately picked up
by the Austrian company of people. In fact, his only
(05:19):
backer was Dietrich Matisich and he had the temerity to
die before all this was sorted out. So you know,
it is basically between Austria and Thailand, which means Horner
and Marco in the in the team at the moment.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Where's Alex Albon and all of us?
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Well, Alex Albon is he's signed to Williams, so we'll
leave him. We'll leave him there. The person who's mixing
the part of course, is Yostah Stappin's dad, so sorry,
Yosta Stappin is Marco Max's dad, so Yosla Stappin has
been very vociferous over the last few months, although he's
quite and down a bit now. I think he's had
a bucket of cold water port over his head, and
(05:58):
I think he has been the one that's been stirring
up an awful lot in the team, and I think
he has failed to do that. That's why he's that's
always a little bit quiet. And Christian Horner is very looking,
very smug, even more smug than well, possibly even more
smug than Round Dennis used to look. So yeah, Christian
Horner is walking around like he owns the world, and
(06:20):
in his world he does.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Bob McMurray joins the program. Our longtime Formula One man
involved McLaren for probably longer than he'd cared to tell us.
Let's look at the action during the break. Now it's
a little later this year. It comes between Belgium and
the Netherlands, so between round fourteen and fifteen of course,
the Netherlands and that atrocious weather as where Liam Lawson
(06:45):
climbed into the car and suddenly made a name for himself.
But isn't that month long break where no one can
do anything the machinations behind the buying and the hiring
of drivers.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Is this a time.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Where backs are to be stad, where deals can be
made without the watchful live the media. Is this likely?
And when you consider that the Netherlands is where he
made his mark and the race is beyond that, he's
had experience in prime timer, that's just what the media
you're climbing into.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
No.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I think, Darcy, that time has actually passed now because
when you look at the scene of Formula One for
next year and probably twenty six, there are very few
seats available. We're talking about Audi. I've got one seat available.
That could be boss Us, that could be Liam Lawson,
that can be all sorts of people. It could be
Carlos Science. You're looking at Williams who's got one seat available,
and that is looking like either Carlos Science or another
(07:39):
not sure who. That's about it. That's about all there
is apart from Alpine, who don't know if they're having
one driver, two drivers, no drivers, and they don't even
know with Flavia Biratory and then now they're telling the
team or keeping it so we will put Alpin aside
for the moment because nobody particularly wants to go there.
So the driver market this year is very small, and
(08:02):
it hinges around Carlos Science and then it hinges around Lawson.
That's essentially it.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Within this break, sorry, Bob. Within the break, the four
weeks when they're not really allowed to do anything, is
that when something could happen internally within the side, some
decisions could be made within the team, not like involving
other drivers, but purely with Lawson.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Yes, lots could happen during that break, but I suspect
that this is going to happen. The decisions are going
to be made before the break when it comes to
Lim Lawson and the Red Bull and the RB team.
What is going to happen in that break. This is
the big thing is that so many engineers are going
to be moving around. Lots of people are trying to
leave the Alping team, Lots of people are trying to
(08:47):
leave Mercedes for Red Bull. Red Bull are hiring from Mercedes,
people are going from Red Bull to McLaren. McLaren are
hiring people from Mercedes and Red Bull. Ferrari hiring anybody
that wants to put their head above the parapet and
they're trying to get to Adrian Newey on board. So
the whole drive market will be swapping itself for the
(09:10):
engineer's market. Bearing in mind that most engineers are on
a gardeningly period of a year or something like that,
you won't see what's happening in the break with all
these people until months later when you suddenly realize that
that guy hasn't been in the office lately. So yeah,
he's doing his garden because he's going to Ferrari next week.
Or Williams or Red Bull or Aston Martin. Aston Martin
(09:32):
are chipping things in there as well, So that's where
all the movement is going to happen over the break.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
For more from Sports Talk, listen live to News Talks
it'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Waldergrave
from News Talk zedb.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Bob McMurray joins the program. Now, as we look at
the long running saga of the key we who can't
quite get himself a Formula one seat. Bob plenty of
experienced thirty years with McLaren. You know how this works,
Paddock rumors, potential lost, potential money, beckers, non beckers.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
It is a soap opera, isn't it, Bob? And welcome,
Thank you Darcy. Well, yeah, it is turning into one.
And I'm very wary of this. I mean, this is
all centered around to some quotes that the famous helmet
Mico made to an Austrian or German media channel, and basically,
I mean he said that the shareholders of Red Bull
(00:56):
have reminded him or reminded the team. The Red Bull
was set up for a young driver academy, almost for
Formula One, and he said, now that Ricardo's in there,
it's not so. I mean his quote was, the aim
was for Ricardo to qualify qualify for a return to
Red Bull Racing with exceptional performances. That seat now belongs
to Sergio Perez. So the plan is off the table.
(01:17):
We'll have to put in a young driver soon. That
would be Liam Lawson. So that's his quote, which is wonderful,
and you know, you think, oh wow, this is pretty
on there. But listen, let's get back to Helmut, Marco
and Red Bull. If that quote is true, if it's
translated properly, and if Marco is not trying to spark
up Ricardo again, and if he meant what he actually said.
(01:41):
He's often misquoted deliberately so, and if he's not trying
to boost any possible Audi involvement, because they've been talking
about Liam Lawson as well, at least the press have,
which means that Red Bull do not have to play
a team PUDI to take him off their hands. And
if Marco is not playing political games, then it's certainly possible.
(02:01):
In other words, yeah, there's a chance. There's the same
chance that's been there all the time, except Marco has
just added another brick to the wall of that chance.
So we can only see what happened Arci in hope.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
To be honest, what about the power game sitting here?
This is the big thing, isn't it. The Christian Horner
camp with Riccardo and the Marco camp with Lawson. When
Marco talks of the shareholders, is that the fifty one
percent majority or is that the forty nine percent cause
a ruckus?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah, I forgot to mention that there is this battle
going on between Marco and Horner and who owns what
and who's allowed to do what. Now. There is no
doubt that Horner has got a bit of acendency over
Helmet Marco in that team because Marco's main backer has
what he died. I mean, that's unfortunate for him, but
(02:51):
it's a bit rude when all this is going on.
For Liam Lawson, it would have been a very easy transition,
you would think. But yes, there is a power battle
going on. Who calls the shots now on drivers? I
don't know. But by Helmet Mico's saying this, he has
reminded the shareholders JET generally, which is I guess he's
talking about the Red Bull people in Austria and he's
(03:13):
going to include the the fifty one percent the tie
version of that. He's got to remind them that it
is set up for a junior team. Maybe he's just
trying to get a bit of a sendency back in
his own severe of influence, which was all his drivers
and young drivers. So if Liam Lawson is in the
middle of that battle as well, well it's not going
(03:34):
to go well. But the thing is there again, Sergio
Perez has got his drive next year and Ricardo has not.
If you look on the facts of it, Ricardo has
not come up to the mark as yet to actually
get a seat in Red Bulls, so he ain't going
to get one. So do they keep him there? Well,
this is what Marco was saying, we're a young driver
(03:56):
system and this is for young drivers, and there's a
few races yet left for Ricardo to make his mark
before the summer break hopefully, which is I'm not sure
you count up. I think it's four races? Was it
for maybe five races to go? So yeah, it's there's
a lot to happen. There's a lot to happen. I
(04:17):
just get nervous when all these things come out and
they talk about Liam getting his drive. Well, it's exactly
the same chance as it was, as simple as that.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
So the support for Marco is that with the tie
or is that with the people that are running Redborn Austria.
So who's got the web Ham when you look at
percentages or is that just simply too basic to apply?
Speaker 3 (04:38):
No, when all the arguments were going on, it was
fifty one percent, which is the Tie version, the guy
who actually invented the drink, believe it or not. The
Austrian version only developed it into a marketable product. So
the Tie guy who invented it and developed it, they
own the fifty one percent. Now that is split between
(04:58):
him and his family and all sorts of things, but
he controls it. The forty nine percent, which is helmet.
Marco's backers are the Austrians. That was the that's where
he came from. He's Austrian. He was immediately picked up
by the Austrian company of people. In fact, his only
(05:19):
backer was Dietrich Matisich and he had the temerity to
die before all this was sorted out. So you know,
it is basically between Austria and Thailand, which means Horner
and Marco in the in the team at the moment.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Where's Alex Albon and all of us?
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Well, Alex Albon is he's signed to Williams, so we'll
leave him. We'll leave him there. The person who's mixing
the part of course, is Yostah Stappin's dad, so sorry,
Yosta Stappin is Marco Max's dad, so Yosla Stappin has
been very vociferous over the last few months, although he's
quite and down a bit now. I think he's had
a bucket of cold water port over his head, and
(05:58):
I think he has been the one that's been stirring
up an awful lot in the team, and I think
he has failed to do that. That's why he's that's
always a little bit quiet. And Christian Horner is very looking,
very smug, even more smug than well, possibly even more
smug than Round Dennis used to look. So yeah, Christian
Horner is walking around like he owns the world, and
(06:20):
in his world he does.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Bob McMurray joins the program. Our longtime Formula One man
involved McLaren for probably longer than he'd cared to tell us.
Let's look at the action during the break. Now it's
a little later this year. It comes between Belgium and
the Netherlands, so between round fourteen and fifteen of course,
the Netherlands and that atrocious weather as where Liam Lawson
(06:45):
climbed into the car and suddenly made a name for himself.
But isn't that month long break where no one can
do anything the machinations behind the buying and the hiring
of drivers.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Is this a time.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Where backs are to be stad, where deals can be
made without the watchful live the media. Is this likely?
And when you consider that the Netherlands is where he
made his mark and the race is beyond that, he's
had experience in prime timer, that's just what the media
you're climbing into.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
No.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I think, Darcy, that time has actually passed now because
when you look at the scene of Formula One for
next year and probably twenty six, there are very few
seats available. We're talking about Audi. I've got one seat available.
That could be boss Us, that could be Liam Lawson,
that can be all sorts of people. It could be
Carlos Science. You're looking at Williams who's got one seat available,
and that is looking like either Carlos Science or another
(07:39):
not sure who. That's about it. That's about all there
is apart from Alpine, who don't know if they're having
one driver, two drivers, no drivers, and they don't even
know with Flavia Biratory and then now they're telling the
team or keeping it so we will put Alpin aside
for the moment because nobody particularly wants to go there.
So the driver market this year is very small, and
(08:02):
it hinges around Carlos Science and then it hinges around Lawson.
That's essentially it.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Within this break, sorry, Bob. Within the break, the four
weeks when they're not really allowed to do anything, is
that when something could happen internally within the side, some
decisions could be made within the team, not like involving
other drivers, but purely with Lawson.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Yes, lots could happen during that break, but I suspect
that this is going to happen. The decisions are going
to be made before the break when it comes to
Lim Lawson and the Red Bull and the RB team.
What is going to happen in that break. This is
the big thing is that so many engineers are going
to be moving around. Lots of people are trying to
leave the Alping team, Lots of people are trying to
(08:47):
leave Mercedes for Red Bull. Red Bull are hiring from Mercedes,
people are going from Red Bull to McLaren. McLaren are
hiring people from Mercedes and Red Bull. Ferrari hiring anybody
that wants to put their head above the parapet and
they're trying to get to Adrian Newey on board. So
the whole drive market will be swapping itself for the
(09:10):
engineer's market. Bearing in mind that most engineers are on
a gardeningly period of a year or something like that,
you won't see what's happening in the break with all
these people until months later when you suddenly realize that
that guy hasn't been in the office lately. So yeah,
he's doing his garden because he's going to Ferrari next week.
Or Williams or Red Bull or Aston Martin. Aston Martin
(09:32):
are chipping things in there as well, So that's where
all the movement is going to happen over the break.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
For more from Sports Talk, listen live to News Talks
it'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
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