June 27, 2024 • 42 mins
D'Arcy Waldegrave returns to recap an exciting week in the world of sports! Highlights for tonight include:
Former All White Fred de Jong on the Euro 2024 Round of 16.
Talkback - who should D'Arc root for in the Euros?
Motorsport commentator Bob McMurray on whether Liam Lawson is gonna get the Red Bull gig.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Waldegrave
from News Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Z'd be.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Good evening of welcomen to sports Talk. My name is
Darcy Waldgrave. It's the twenty seventh of June twenty twenty four.
Glad to be joining you on your drive to wherever
you're going over the long weekend, if indeed that is
the case. Now, like I always say my public service announcements,
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back away from the car in front of you. Breathe.
You're not in a hurry, only gonna cut five or
ten minutes off your journey time by making that ridiculous move,
So don't relax. Okay, good now I feel satisfied that
I've said something of worth. Now it's hit into sport
for the next hour. And what have we got for
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you today. Well, we're going to be talking euro because finally,
after all of us fluffing around, mucking around, this countbacks,
this's goals, This top sixteen is being decided. We know
now who the competitors are in the knockout phase of
the competition. Let the competition begin, because arguably, from this
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point on it does you lose, You're gone. No second chances,
no beg my pardons, please thank you. It's all on.
We're going to be joined by Fred Deyong, former All
White commentator and of course football pundit as he looks
across the eight games that are coming hard and fast,
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and how good is it that none of them are
being played on top of each other like earlier on
in the piece when you had to double screen. How
on earth can you watch two games of football at
the same time. I tell you from experience you can't.
But there you go. So Fred Deyong joins us shortly,
and then we're going to open up the lines for
your cause on a couple of angles. Now you all
know that football is definitely not my strong suit. We
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get that. I understand that that's good. I have more
than a passing interest. I buy into it, but it's
not really something I'll settle with and carry So I
need your advice on this one.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Who do I chair for?
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Where does my love go? And from what you've seen
so far in this tournament, clear favorites. Who's the final
going to be between? Who has actually stood up and
responded to the pressure of euro I'm looking at you
football fans out there figuratively of course, can't see you
in a studio to ring up and talk to me
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about that, because this is outside of the World Cup,
the most important football tournament on the planet, and we
have some very strange fixtures ahead. You look at the
nature of it, Fred DeJong joint just shortly to pick
that apart. Then you can do the same thing. Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty, Well we can text nineteen
nine two that is zebzb that I'll cost you a
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standard text charge. I'd rather you. And then we go
into a comfort zone for myself, out of the uncomfortable
nature of football to the very comfortable.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
World of motorsport.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Bub McMurray's going to join us, say, we're going to
unpack the Liam Lawson situation. More rumor more innuendo. But
we're not going to unpack the Liam Lawson situation. We're
going to tip the suitcase out all over the hotel
room and just see what we find. This is a mess,
this entire situation. It summarizes Formula one. It's got nothing
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to do with racing. It's the soap opera behind the
scenes which we lick our lips over because it now
finally involves a new Zealander. So that's what's coming up
on the program, looking forward to your involvement, your engagement,
your time, looking forward to you not crashing into the
car in front of you or passing on a double
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yellow line. Before we go with any of that, though, I've.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Got a good idea. Let's do this today.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Full of good idea is today and Sports Today. Golfer
Ryan Fox said a good idea too. He's been relaxing
ahead of his latest crack heat the PGA. He's had
a pretty rough run and he needed a cup of
tea and a lie down.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
I certainly needed both the weeks off, to be honest,
playing eleven of twelve up to the Canadian Open and
then the Usie film was a brutal, brutal week. So
I certainly didn't mind having a week off last week.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Yeah, So he teased off in Detroit early tomorrow morning.
I think four for twenty a round there. Laborato Kacaci
has had a blinder in the all white semi final
belting of Tahiti. The skipper had a Player of the
Man's performance, serving up three assists in their five gold demolition.
Coach Darren Baisley was impressed but not surprised. He's a
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very good player. You know, he's going to have a
great career ahead of him. He's going to play a
lot of times for the Waves and today again he
showcase some of his best parts.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
He's just so consistent and so solid.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
And the celebrations are still going on. In the southern
tip of the African continent. The Proteus made history today
by finally qualifying for an ICC white ball final.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
Yes, the hapless Africans have had a storied history of choking,
but against Afghanistan today their worm finally turned captain Aiden
Markham knows nothing though, has really been achieved.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Yet one more step.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Like I've mentioned, it's an exciting challenge for us.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
We've never been there before and nothing to be scared of.
Speaker 7 (05:35):
It's an opportunity that we've never had and we'll be
really excited about that opportunity that.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
I've got to be completely honest with you. England are
taking on India in the other semi final and whoever
wins that, I would really like South Africa to put
the sword to them, which is unusual for a New
Zealand sports fan because we don't say that much. But
England and India. I don't think so. And finally Telung
sorry tu Rio Selby Rickett is the next in line
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for the top job at the Technics or is she
departing coach and Delainey Hoshick. She isn't quite sure over
the timing. If mentoring was available, probably could, but she's
only had one year but has an awesome future.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
Hit.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
It's just about doing it right because at the moment
she's trying to get your teaching registration as well.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
And that's sport today.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
We're joined now by former All White Fred Deyong as
we take a look at Uron finally free. We got
through the chaos of qualifying and now there are sixteen.
That was a strange old time, wasn't it, the last
few days of all of this strangling of each other
try and get through to the top.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Yeah, how do you mate? It was?
Speaker 8 (06:46):
And that's the chaos at twenty four team competition brings
you because everyone's sort of the permutations around the third
place qualifiers right down to the last kick of the
last game virtually. And it was you know, the upset
this morning of Georgia getting over the top of Portugal
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that really tipped the balance in because prior to that
we were looking at an England Netherlands last sixteen game,
and then because of Georgia's stuff, it's all probably fallen
at a little bit easier for the Dutch and a
little bit easier for the English. So things like that.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
That's the upshot of.
Speaker 8 (07:28):
Having twenty four teams, which creates a bit of chaos
in itself.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Let's look at the games themselves and what we're head
to because we've got a couple of games on Sunday morning,
couple on Monday morning, a couple on Tuesday morning, a
couple on Wednesday morning, and unlike the initial few rounds,
these games don't clash, so you can actually watch all
of them, which is good. Switzerland, Italy, Germany, den Mark.
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There's a lot to like in both of those fixtures.
Speaker 8 (07:57):
Surely Freed absolutely, the Swiss event very good. You know,
they they have been probably one of the surprise packages
of the tournament on how well they've played. And you
know they are in a difficult group with Germany, Hungary, Scotland.
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They've navigated that through quite comfortably and they come up
against an Italian team that one of the most exciting
games in the history of the tournament. I think last
kick of the game, ninety eighth minute to get themselves,
you know, into second place in the group, and you know,
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broke Croatian hearts. But you know, that'll be a good
game and one that I think the Swiss will go
in with a heck of a lot of confidence because
Italy at aren't showing haven't showne too much in a
striking capacity. Then the Germans have been probably one of
the picks of the tournament, very very very good, very fluid,
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and I think they'll have too much firepower for a
Danish team that you know, had has played sort of
well in patches, but hasn't really strung together a convincing
performance and also struggles to score goals. I think they
scored two goals in the first three games. So yeah,
one that I think Germany will be very comfortable.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
With the road home if they're bringing something whatever that
might be Slovakia in England's way four clock Monday morning.
Speaker 8 (09:30):
Difficult proposition, No, I don't think so. I think, but
at the moment anything's difficult for this English team. They're
just stuttering along. Everyone's waiting for them to actually put
in a performance that justifies their favorites tag going into
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the tournament. They've been dour, slow, ponderous, all these sort
of adjectives to describe the way they're playing the game.
And unless they can sort of release the shackles and
get the best out of the all your players that
they have on the pitch, then you know, then they're
going to come into more come in with more flak
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from their supporters. Their coach is going to be pilloried
from from from on high, from back home in England.
But I think they'll still have too much for Slovakia.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Do you think Georgia can take some of the energy
from that win this morning and lay it down in
front of the Spanish?
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (10:32):
How good was it? How good was Georgia this morning
against Portugal? You know, that was tremend tremendous effort from them,
you know, do a die for them to they had
to win.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
They did.
Speaker 8 (10:42):
Spain probably the pick of the teams in the tournament,
and Spain I think we'll go through quite comfortably. But
you know, regardless of that, Georgia's had their first international tournament,
They've had a fantastic tournament and they can I think,
you know, Spain Spain have been really good. They also
haven't scored many goals, you know, a couple of one
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now wins and to three one win.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
I think we'll But.
Speaker 8 (11:09):
Yes, the Spain and Spain of you know, they they
strangle the life out of the game and I think
they'll have way too much quality for Georgia.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Hey go the next match, and we like these these
trans border matches. So we're talking about the French taking
on the Belgians. This should be fantastic at a melting
pot of styles, of classes of players.
Speaker 8 (11:30):
Absolutely, and I think the Belgians will be absolutely kicking
themselves that. You know, they finished second in the group,
a group that they probably were looking comfortably when the
draw was made to go, yeah we should we should
finish top of this this group. You know Slovakia remain
in Ukraine, they would have gone, wow, we should definitely
should finish top. They've finished second and they've come up
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against you know, co favorites France, and you know, I
think Belgium were kicking themselves absolutely, but what a matchup.
You know, I think the pick of the last sixteen
games because the French have have have also shown real quality.
They've got one of the probably the best player in
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the world and Bape although his noses are suffered, suffered
through the tournament, and you know they by rights they
should have too much quality for Belgium, but that will
be a really really, probably the highest quality game of
the last six thing in Portugal hoping that what happened
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today is not going to affect them up against Slovenia
seven o'clock Tuesday morning. Yeah, it just shows you like
when a team has already qualified, how just a little
drop in quality, a little drop in intensity really can
bring them unstuck. And Portugal are really poor against Georgia
today and you know they need they need a rocket.
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But you know Slovenia, who uh, you know, they are
also a team that weren't looking like they were going
to call it fine and managed to do so with
a nill drawer against against the English, so you know
they'll be on on cloud nine. Portugal should be too strong,
but Slovenia showed it showed quite a lot against the English.
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But you know, maybe the Portuguese will kick into gear.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Netherlands should run all over the top of from absolutely
no doubt, and that's what we need to look like.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
We were up against England.
Speaker 8 (13:31):
Romania is way better get past them.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
You're not still like going back to your Dutch roots
when you chan't say your Fred.
Speaker 8 (13:39):
No, not at all.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
If you painted your head orange for this clash enough
or let's go to the last game of the round
of sixteen Austria Turkey. Did anyone see that coming?
Speaker 5 (13:50):
No one.
Speaker 8 (13:51):
I don't think anyone would would have picked Austria in
a group with the Dutch and the French, that Austria
would come top of the group. But they have been excellent.
They they It shows you what you can do when
you dare to attack and you dare to press and
you be brave with the ball. And you know they've been.
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Ralph Ranak, the coach, has done a fantastic job with
that group of players and they fully deserve everything they've
got so far in the tournament because they've been probably
the standout team of the second tier so called second
tier nations in the Cup. And I think the low
Turkey have been, you know, have shown flashes. I think
Austria probably will edge.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
That if you can, Fred DeJong, can you put your
clogs and your tulips in your pocket and look across
based on current form. Who do you like for the final?
Speaker 8 (14:44):
I think coming out of so looking your head to
the semi finals, you've probably got Netherlands or Austria against
Italy or England. So and then on the on the
other side of that, I would say you're a massive
quarter final, probably Germany Spain so either. I would probably
pick the Spanish against the French. On the other side
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in the semifinals, who's to say I would? Prior to
the tournament, I picked France to win.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
The whole thing on what.
Speaker 8 (15:15):
I've seen, Probably the Spanish other form team of the competition,
but I would say a Spain, England or Spain Holland
final would probably be the most likely.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
Right.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
You can climb back and your win will now. Thank
you very much for that, Fred de Young. Always a pleasure,
my friend. Do you look after yourself. Make sure you
drink plenty of water and have decent dozes during the
day so you can get through till Wednesday morning. Thanks
for your time.
Speaker 8 (15:41):
Be long nights mate, and enjoyable cheers.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
Mate.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
The right call is your call on oh eight hundred
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Speaker 3 (15:51):
Zibby seven two your turn to school me. I tell
you what to think and how to think all the time.
Not you pay any attention to me. But on this
I am going to sede to your superior knowledge around football.
What do we know now in the round of sixteen?
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And we know that the English came in with a
warm favoritism. We know the Germans are about as disciplined
as they come. They are playing at home, big advantage.
The French have got arguably the best player in the
world right now in Bappa, which is wonderful. The Italians
always look the best. It was a competition about who's
got the best kits. I think the Italians win every
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year hand out. There are a few other teams we
don't even know why they are there, as outlined by
Fred Deong. So now we're at the pointy ish end.
There are now eight games to go down to four
to two and then we have a winner. Where does
it sit with you? What have you gleaned out of
the competition so far that would suggest not necessarily a winner,
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but warm favoritism to lead you into the finals. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. I'd love to hear from you.
I'd love for you to score me in football? What
we know, what we've seen, what it works? And on
a side, is this twenty fourteen competition worked or has
it just been a dog's breakfast a lot the beauty
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of football? Or was it was clean? And what's happening
in thief of the World Cup? Twenty thousand teams are
going to qualify? You think this was a butchered mess?
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Wait?
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Do you get to the next World Cup? Our eight
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Speaker 2 (17:43):
This is sports talk, no need for the TMO.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
We've got the breakdown on sports Talk call oh eight
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Speaker 3 (17:57):
ZIB and then there were sixteen.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
With down.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Now to the knockout, knockout arounds. Finally, you're a twenty
twenty four in Germany. Have you heard what Fred Deong
has to say about the way the games should unfold?
I'd very much like to hear what you think, what
you'll learn? Who is going to end up being at
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this point at end? How's the tournament been for you
so far? You can watch this on TV and Z
Plus I'm well informed by producer Melicic. I'm presuming it's
on Sky as well. I lose track with what I'm
watching anything on I just got a television with buttons everywhere,
and I just find sport and there. It is so
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the same with social media. Did you email me, message me?
What's at me? Did you tweet me?
Speaker 2 (19:09):
TikTok me?
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Slack?
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Do give up? Anyway's get back on to the football.
Good day, Michael, How are you?
Speaker 5 (19:16):
Oh? Good evening? I'm good, Thanks, thank.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
And now what have you made of this so far?
Has this lived up to expectations? Has this been the
tournament that you've been dreaming of or drawling over?
Speaker 5 (19:27):
Well, I'll try not to be biased here, but I
am also a fellow Dutchman like Bread as well, so
I have been a bit of a mixed tournament. I've
got up at four am to watch the Dutch yesterday
and here we were quite disappointing. But tactically, why is
it lost? Has sort of an interest and easier path
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to the to the finals and what what was originally
going to be you know, sort of predicted, So surely.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
There's some consideration though, is it when you're going about
in a game like football where I can turn on
a dime because the nature of the scoring you could
get knocked. You don't really try and adjust the future
based on your results.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
Surely, Yes, well, I think you should always be working
to top top the table. And I think it's really
just a bit of luck really, you know, year, because
there's been no one real team has stood out for me.
For me, it's been quite evenly tournaments of fascinating really
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if you're you're neutral or you know, don't really have
any team to support. There's been update you know, sort
of left right and center, and I think that just
made the tournament even more exciting and interesting to watch.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
So you're a you're a Dutch fan, you're into the Orange.
Get that same with Fred if you kind of take
that away and take those shades off. Is anyone standing
up at the moment and going I am the team
to watch? I could be. Yeah, I've thought of not
not foxing because I think that's an insane thing to do,
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but maybe building and peaking at the right time. And
I suppose English fans are going that's what they're doing
right now.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
Yes, yes, you could say that, and I think on
form you'd have to as I agree with Fred. You'd
have to say the Spanish just because I won all
their games. I thought Germany were looking quite well, but
they looked at the average against Switzerland. You know, France
have been pretty average, Belgium pretty average. Portugal obviously lost
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to Georgia, so I think you, yeah, I would agree,
sort of Spain looking just because they've won every game
and none of the other powerhouses have done that.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
No one's been peppering the goal mouth, oh have they?
It hasn't exactly been drenched in goal scoring opportunities. I
want to go back to that. When you've got a
situation like this where qualifying for the Round of sixteen
isn't possibly as defined as it should be. How many
of these teams aren't playing their best football because they
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don't have to, and how that skews the favoritism moving
and if that makes.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
Sense, well, yeah, I think I definitely think actually the
better performance have probably been more of the underdogs because
of the favorites of sort of real yeah, it doesn't
seem like any of the favorites really really, you know,
put the pedal to the meddle. So to say, yeah,
it's been pretty low scoring. You look at England, they're
just every middle draws one Noll wins and the same
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with Spain and that. So yeah, it's been sort of
the underdogs. I sort of like countries like Romania, Turkey
have been been all right. Austria they've been the more
goal scoring teams in your top tier teams and.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
I think that where's only one team's actually blown another
team off the parks in Germany, massak is probably not
the right word, but they put Scotland to the sword,
didn't they. Besides that, I don't think it's been really
some I think goal scoring wise, it's been very one
way traffic. There's been from three to one and three
twos in the like as well, but nothing as big
as that.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
No, they've all been pretty pretty competitive games really. Apart
from that Germany, Scotland came and actually the ironic thing
is the highest score of goals has actually been own golf.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
That's the kind of stat I'm here for. Michael, Thanks
very much for your time. Have you'd like to join in.
I'd love to hear from you what you've made of
it so far, where you think the favoritism lies, and
how the group play has worked as far as giving
us the best football imaginable. Have there been situations where
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teams maybe they know they're going through, so possibly they're
not going to try that much and that has given
the other side a slight advantage, which is in turn
worked against other teams that may have had a harder route.
It just seems cumbersome and clumsy, but as Fred pointed out,
it's all about people paying for it and climbing into
the stadium that as many games as they possibly can.
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You've been watching it so far. You're a football fan
who's got the whip hand. Heading into these last games,
the round of sixteen, before we start getting to the
quarter final, it gets really sticky. Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty give us your thoughts, Steve writes, Darcy, pick
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the team whose fans are most likely to start punch
ups in general chaos, that's the most exciting part of soccer. Well,
it's like watching motorsport for the accidents particularly uncool. But
I thank you for your text, pray tell sir when
come once with the football a TV ANDZ plus skysport
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there you goo and a question, Darcy, ree football or
why are we playing against the Pacific Islands. It's a
bit embarrassing the dominance we have. It's men are different leagues.
I'm sorry, I don't know much about football. Doesn't seem
like a level playing field. Well technically because now there
are more directed missions to the World Cup. Will be
insane to move out of Oceania. Other teams like Australia
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moved into this Asian group. It's a lot harder, but
the quality of football is higher. You could say maybe
they're a bit scaredy cap. But if you start getting
direct entry to the FIFA World Cup and you can
peel off the notes that we forgive you for doing that,
why would you change? Really? Why there's no sense behind
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doing it? Maybe not playing on pot marked pictures. Some
of the quality of those decks is the scout, but
that's all right going through to the final. Now I
should get that to get through to the World Cup.
Another excuse to watch football. Twenty five minutes away from
our eightes, Bob McMurray joins us as we throw the
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suitcase of Liam Wilson all over the hotel floor and
pick through the underpants and howls and old stains T shirts.
What is going on? We'll find out what Bob McMurray
before the end of the Program's the News Talk's EB
lines are open eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Who's
going to win euro Where are the big matchups? Tell
me I need to know seventy eight Sports Talk on
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News Talks EB. Steve tells me it's not on sky
and see. The reason I say that is because everything
feeds through my skybox, so I don't really know where
it's originally sourced from, where it's TV and Z or
I don't know. What I know is the pictures are
on the TV and I watch them. That's about as
complex as I'd like to make it. But thanks very
much for pointing that out. TVNZ fIF for got something
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going on? We can get it free to wear there.
Someone wants me to find out what's going on in
the Copa Kabana Cup. Isn't that beach football? You might
be talking about something else. I'm pretty sure you don't
want to know about beach football. Up there you go,
and a question. Did you know Grant Turner? He used
to play for Tony It was a cracking football, a
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hard case. I don't know him, but I remember watching
him back in the day. He very much, from what
I gather, encompassed the New Zealand agricultural version of football.
That's probably the plightest way I can say it. He
didn't take a backward step when he's on the part.
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But one of the guys that I remember from way
back in the day, late seventies, early eighties, when I
was a mere boy watching football on ten eighty lines
are open. I'd like to know. I'd like to be taught,
like to be told, you look at the fixtures that
are up here. If I have a mad stab at
how these are going to go. Based on the odd
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highlights package and the articles that I've read around this
Switzerland beat Italy, Germany beat Denmark, England beat Slovakia, Spain
beat Georgia, I think that one is a given. I
think they probably played their game Georgia in the early
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hours of this morning, beating the Iberian Peninsula neighbors of
Spain and Portugal. France Belgium. Hard to separate a lot
of grief going on between those teamations sitting right on
the border. France coming in as one of the favorite
teams earlier on, you probably go toward them. Portugal over Slovenia,
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Romania will probably get stomped by the Netherlands, Austria, Turkey.
Flip a coin. That's how I see it in my
illeducated eyes. If you think you can give me more
information that might lead me by all means, please do
I live to hear from you one hundred eighty ten
eighty you we can text through nineteen niney two. Otherwise, Oh,
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talk Motorsport. There's a story around about where Lim Lawson
is going to end up. The rumor is that even
maybe when they come back from their break, Lawson may
(29:31):
find himself with a seat, with Ricardo being elbowed to
one side. Who knows. Bob McMurray will unpack that with
us shortly and on Sports Talk there's a News talks eb.
It's eighteen away from eight.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
So I'm dancing with the semiwhere I still see you.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Bob mc murray joins the program. Now as we look
at the long running saga of the Kei, we who
can't quite get himself a Formula one seat. Bob plenty
of experienced thirty years with McLaren, you know how this works.
Paddock rumors, potential lost, potential money, Beckers non Beckers.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
It is a soap.
Speaker 7 (30:22):
Opera, isn't it, Bob and welcome, thank you Darcy. Well, yeah,
it is turning into one. And I'm very wary of this.
I mean, this is all centered around to some quotes
that the famous Helmet Marco made to an Austrian or
German media channel, and basically, I mean he said that
(30:43):
the shareholders of Red Bull have reminded him or reminded
the team. The Red Bull was set up for a
young driver academy, almost for Formula One, and he said,
now that Ricardo's in there, it's not so. I mean,
his quote was, the aim was for Ricardo to qualify,
qualify for a return to Red Bull Racing with exceptional performances.
That seat now belongs to Sergio Perez, so the plan
(31:05):
is off the table. We'll have to put in a
young driver soon. That would be Liam Lawson. So that's
his quote, which is wonderful, and you know, you think,
oh wow, this is pretty on there. But listen, let's
get back to Helmut Marco and Red Bull. If that
quote is true, if it's translated properly, and if Marco
is not trying to spark up Ricardo again and if
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he meant what he actually said. He's often misquoted deliberately,
so and if he's not trying to boost any possible
AUDI involvement, because they've been talking about Liam Lawson as well,
at least the press have, which means that Red Bull
do not have to play a team PUDI to take
him off their hands. And if Marco is not playing
political games, then it's certainly possible. In other words, yeah,
(31:51):
there's a chance. There's the same chance that's been there
all the time, except Marco has just added another brick
to the wall of that chance. So we can only
see what happened to Arcie and hope to be honest.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
What about the power game sitting here? This is the
big thing, isn't it. The Christian Horner camp with Riccado
and the Marco camp with Lawson. When Marco talks of
the shareholders, is that the fifty one percent majority or
is that the forty nine percent? Cause a ruckus?
Speaker 7 (32:19):
Yeah, I forgot to mention that there is this battle
going on between Marco and Horner and who owns what
and who's allowed to do what. Now, there is no
doubt that Horner has got a bit of acendency over
Helmet Marco in that team because Marco's main backer has
what he died. I mean, that's unfortunate for him, but
(32:40):
it's a bit rude when all this is going on.
For Liam Lawson, it would have been a very easy transition.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
You would think.
Speaker 7 (32:45):
But yes, there is a power battle going on. Who
calls the shots now on drivers? I don't know. But
by Helmet Mico's saying this, he has reminded the shareholders generally,
which is I guess he's talking about the Red Ball
people in Austria and he's going to include the the
the fifty one percent, the tie version of that. He's
(33:07):
got to remind them that it is set up for
a junior team. Maybe he's just trying to get a
bit of a sendency back in his own severe of influence,
which was all drivers and young drivers. So if Liam
Lawson is in the middle of that battle as well,
well it's not going to go well. But the thing
is there again, Sergio Perez has got his drive next
(33:28):
year and Ricardo has not. If you look on the
facts of it, Ricardo has not come up to the
mark as yet to actually get a seat in Red Bull.
So you ain't going to get one, so do they
keep him there? Well, this is what Marco was saying.
We're a young driver system and this is for young drivers.
And there's a few races yet left for Ricardo to
(33:52):
make his mark before the summer break hopefully, which is
I'm not sure you count up. I think it's four races?
Was it for maybe five races to go? So yeah,
there's a lot to happen. There's a lot to happen.
I just get nervous and all these things come out
and they talk about Liam getting his drive, Well it's
exactly the same chance as it was, as simple as that.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
So the support for Marco is that with the Tie
or is that with the people that are running Redborn Austria.
So who's got the web Ham when you look at
percentages or is that just simply too basic to apply?
Speaker 7 (34:27):
Now when all the arguments were going on, it was
fifty one percent, which is the Tie version, the guy
who actually invented the drink, believe it or not, the
Austrian version only developed it into a marketable product. So
the Tie guy who invented it and developed it, they
owned the fifty one percent. Now that is split between
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him and his family and all sorts of things, but
he controls it. The forty nine percent, which is helmet.
Marco's backers are the Austrians.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
That was.
Speaker 7 (34:58):
That's where he came from. He's Austrian. He was immediately
picked up by the Austrian company of people. In fact,
his only backer was Dietrich Matisich and he had the
temerity to die before all this was sorted out. So
you know, it is basically between Austria and Thailand, which
means Horner and Marka in the in the team at
(35:21):
the moment.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Where's Alex Elbon and all of us?
Speaker 7 (35:25):
Well, Alex Albon is he's signed to Williams, so we'll
leave him.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
We'll leave him there.
Speaker 7 (35:29):
The person, the person who's mixing the part, of course,
is Yoslah Stappin's dad. So sorry, Yosa Stappin is Marca
Max's dad. So Yosa Stappin has been very vociferous over
the last few months, although he's quite and down a
bit now. I think he's had a bucket of cold
water pord over his head, and I think he has
been the one that's been stirring up an awful lot
(35:50):
in the team. And I think he has failed to
do that. That's why he's that's why he's a little
bit quiet. And Christian Horner is very looking, very smug,
even more smug than well, possibly even more smug than
Ron Dennis used to look. So yeah, Christian Horner is
walking around like he owns the world, and in his
world he does.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Bob mc murray joins the program, a long time Formula
One man involved with McLaren for probably longer than he
had cared to tell us. Let's look at the action
during the break. Now it's a little later this year.
It comes between Belgium and the Netherlands, so between round
fourteen and fifteen. Of course the Netherlands and that atrocious
(36:31):
weather as where Liam Lawson climbed into the car and
suddenly made a name for himself. But isn't that month
long break where no one can do anything the machinations
behind the buying and the hiring of drivers. Is this
a time where backs are to be stabd, where deals
can be made without the watchful live of the media.
(36:53):
Is this likely? And when you consider that the Netherlands
is where he made his mark and the race is
beyond that, he's had experience in prime time or is
this just what the media you're climbing into.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
No.
Speaker 7 (37:05):
I think Darcy time has actually passed now because when
you look at the scene of Formula One for next
year and probably twenty six, there are very few seats available.
We're talking about Audi, I've got one seat available. That
could be boss Us, that could be Liam Lawson, that
could be all sorts of people. It could be Carlos Science.
You're looking at Williams who's got one seat available, and
that is looking like either Carlo Science or another not
(37:28):
sure who. That's about it. That's about all there is
apart from Alpine, who don't know if they're having one driver,
two drivers, no drivers, and they don't even know with
Flavia Breratory and then now they're telling the team or
keeping it. So we will put Alpine aside for the
moment because nobody particularly wants to go there. So the
(37:48):
driver market this year is very small, and it hinges
around Carlos Science and then it hinges around Lea and Lawson.
That's essentially it.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Break, Sorry, Bob. Within the break, the four weeks when
they're not really allowed to do anything, is that when
something could happen internally within the side. Some decisions could
be made within the team, not like involving other drivers,
but pe purely with Lawson.
Speaker 7 (38:13):
Yes, lots could happen during that break, but I suspect
that this is going to happen. The decisions are going
to be made before the break when it comes to
Limn Wilson and the Red Bull and the RB team.
What is going to happen in that break. This is
the big thing is that so many engineers are going
to be moving around. Lots of people are trying to
leave the Alping team, Lots of people are trying to
(38:36):
leave Mercedes for Red Bull. Red Bull are hiring from Mercedes.
People are going from Red Bull to McLaren. McLaren are
hiring people from Mercedes and Red Bull. Ferrari hiring anybody
that wants to put their head above the parapet and
they're trying to get to Adrian Newey on board. So
the whole driver market that will be swapping itself for
(38:58):
the engineer's market. Bearing in mind that most engineers are
on a gardeningly period of a year or something like that,
you won't see what happening in the break with all
these people until months later when you suddenly realize that
that guy hasn't been in the office lately. So yeah,
he's doing his garden because he's going to Ferrari next week,
or Williams or Red Bull or Aston Martin, Aston Martin
(39:21):
and the chipping things in there as well. So that's
where all the movement is going to happen. Over the break.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Forget the ref's call, you make a call on.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Sports Talk on your home of Sports Talks.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
And if you're wondering why I referenced album On on this
because he's as a time over wonder if there was
any relationship there, So we had number wiser essentially around
what goes on. What we do know is that Liam
Lawson is very quick, he's very very good at what
he does, and the Formula one circus is exactly that.
(39:58):
So we sit, we wait, we hold our breath, and
hopefully the tenth man to run Formula one from New
Zealand we'll go on to a full time drive member.
Before that, it was Brendan Hartley. That didn't work out
too well for Brendan has gone on to a very
successful care the endurance racing circuit, picking up four world
(40:20):
championships and three victories at Lamont, who's doing very well
in Lamont as well a couple of weeks ago and
tell A Ferrari drove into his side, which was not ideal. Hey,
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(41:43):
Robertson is a new broom. He is quite something else.
The way he handles deals with them, promotes the game
and the All Blacks to the media is going to
be one of the better points of his tenure. I'd
like to think he's a pretty straight shooting character, and
I'd suggest that Ends it are possibly a little freaked
(42:05):
out about what he may or may not say, although
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(42:28):
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Speaker 1 (42:33):
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Speaker 3 (00:17):
Good evening of welcomen to sports Talk. My name is
Darcy Waldgrave. It's the twenty seventh of June twenty twenty four.
Glad to be joining you on your drive to wherever
you're going over the long weekend, if indeed that is
the case. Now, like I always say my public service announcements,
(00:39):
back away from the car in front of you. Breathe.
You're not in a hurry, only gonna cut five or
ten minutes off your journey time by making that ridiculous move,
So don't relax. Okay, good now I feel satisfied that
I've said something of worth. Now it's hit into sport
for the next hour. And what have we got for
(01:00):
you today. Well, we're going to be talking euro because finally,
after all of us fluffing around, mucking around, this countbacks,
this's goals, This top sixteen is being decided. We know
now who the competitors are in the knockout phase of
the competition. Let the competition begin, because arguably, from this
(01:24):
point on it does you lose, You're gone. No second chances,
no beg my pardons, please thank you. It's all on.
We're going to be joined by Fred Deyong, former All
White commentator and of course football pundit as he looks
across the eight games that are coming hard and fast,
(01:46):
and how good is it that none of them are
being played on top of each other like earlier on
in the piece when you had to double screen. How
on earth can you watch two games of football at
the same time. I tell you from experience you can't.
But there you go. So Fred Deyong joins us shortly,
and then we're going to open up the lines for
your cause on a couple of angles. Now you all
know that football is definitely not my strong suit. We
(02:09):
get that. I understand that that's good. I have more
than a passing interest. I buy into it, but it's
not really something I'll settle with and carry So I
need your advice on this one.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Who do I chair for?
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Where does my love go? And from what you've seen
so far in this tournament, clear favorites. Who's the final
going to be between? Who has actually stood up and
responded to the pressure of euro I'm looking at you
football fans out there figuratively of course, can't see you
in a studio to ring up and talk to me
(02:43):
about that, because this is outside of the World Cup,
the most important football tournament on the planet, and we
have some very strange fixtures ahead. You look at the
nature of it, Fred DeJong joint just shortly to pick
that apart. Then you can do the same thing. Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty, Well we can text nineteen
nine two that is zebzb that I'll cost you a
(03:04):
standard text charge. I'd rather you. And then we go
into a comfort zone for myself, out of the uncomfortable
nature of football to the very comfortable.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
World of motorsport.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Bub McMurray's going to join us, say, we're going to
unpack the Liam Lawson situation. More rumor more innuendo. But
we're not going to unpack the Liam Lawson situation. We're
going to tip the suitcase out all over the hotel
room and just see what we find. This is a mess,
this entire situation. It summarizes Formula one. It's got nothing
(03:39):
to do with racing. It's the soap opera behind the
scenes which we lick our lips over because it now
finally involves a new Zealander. So that's what's coming up
on the program, looking forward to your involvement, your engagement,
your time, looking forward to you not crashing into the
car in front of you or passing on a double
(03:59):
yellow line. Before we go with any of that, though, I've.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Got a good idea. Let's do this today.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Full of good idea is today and Sports Today. Golfer
Ryan Fox said a good idea too. He's been relaxing
ahead of his latest crack heat the PGA. He's had
a pretty rough run and he needed a cup of
tea and a lie down.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
I certainly needed both the weeks off, to be honest,
playing eleven of twelve up to the Canadian Open and
then the Usie film was a brutal, brutal week. So
I certainly didn't mind having a week off last week.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Yeah, So he teased off in Detroit early tomorrow morning.
I think four for twenty a round there. Laborato Kacaci
has had a blinder in the all white semi final
belting of Tahiti. The skipper had a Player of the
Man's performance, serving up three assists in their five gold demolition.
Coach Darren Baisley was impressed but not surprised. He's a
(04:54):
very good player. You know, he's going to have a
great career ahead of him. He's going to play a
lot of times for the Waves and today again he
showcase some of his best parts.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
He's just so consistent and so solid.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
And the celebrations are still going on. In the southern
tip of the African continent. The Proteus made history today
by finally qualifying for an ICC white ball final.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
Yes, the hapless Africans have had a storied history of choking,
but against Afghanistan today their worm finally turned captain Aiden
Markham knows nothing though, has really been achieved.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Yet one more step.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Like I've mentioned, it's an exciting challenge for us.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
We've never been there before and nothing to be scared of.
Speaker 7 (05:35):
It's an opportunity that we've never had and we'll be
really excited about that opportunity that.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
I've got to be completely honest with you. England are
taking on India in the other semi final and whoever
wins that, I would really like South Africa to put
the sword to them, which is unusual for a New
Zealand sports fan because we don't say that much. But
England and India. I don't think so. And finally Telung
sorry tu Rio Selby Rickett is the next in line
(06:02):
for the top job at the Technics or is she
departing coach and Delainey Hoshick. She isn't quite sure over
the timing. If mentoring was available, probably could, but she's
only had one year but has an awesome future.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
Hit.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
It's just about doing it right because at the moment
she's trying to get your teaching registration as well.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
And that's sport today.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
We're joined now by former All White Fred Deyong as
we take a look at Uron finally free. We got
through the chaos of qualifying and now there are sixteen.
That was a strange old time, wasn't it, the last
few days of all of this strangling of each other
try and get through to the top.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Yeah, how do you mate? It was?
Speaker 8 (06:46):
And that's the chaos at twenty four team competition brings
you because everyone's sort of the permutations around the third
place qualifiers right down to the last kick of the
last game virtually. And it was you know, the upset
this morning of Georgia getting over the top of Portugal
(07:08):
that really tipped the balance in because prior to that
we were looking at an England Netherlands last sixteen game,
and then because of Georgia's stuff, it's all probably fallen
at a little bit easier for the Dutch and a
little bit easier for the English. So things like that.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
That's the upshot of.
Speaker 8 (07:28):
Having twenty four teams, which creates a bit of chaos
in itself.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Let's look at the games themselves and what we're head
to because we've got a couple of games on Sunday morning,
couple on Monday morning, a couple on Tuesday morning, a
couple on Wednesday morning, and unlike the initial few rounds,
these games don't clash, so you can actually watch all
of them, which is good. Switzerland, Italy, Germany, den Mark.
(07:54):
There's a lot to like in both of those fixtures.
Speaker 8 (07:57):
Surely Freed absolutely, the Swiss event very good. You know,
they they have been probably one of the surprise packages
of the tournament on how well they've played. And you
know they are in a difficult group with Germany, Hungary, Scotland.
(08:17):
They've navigated that through quite comfortably and they come up
against an Italian team that one of the most exciting
games in the history of the tournament. I think last
kick of the game, ninety eighth minute to get themselves,
you know, into second place in the group, and you know,
(08:38):
broke Croatian hearts. But you know, that'll be a good
game and one that I think the Swiss will go
in with a heck of a lot of confidence because
Italy at aren't showing haven't showne too much in a
striking capacity. Then the Germans have been probably one of
the picks of the tournament, very very very good, very fluid,
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and I think they'll have too much firepower for a
Danish team that you know, had has played sort of
well in patches, but hasn't really strung together a convincing
performance and also struggles to score goals. I think they
scored two goals in the first three games. So yeah,
one that I think Germany will be very comfortable.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
With the road home if they're bringing something whatever that
might be Slovakia in England's way four clock Monday morning.
Speaker 8 (09:30):
Difficult proposition, No, I don't think so. I think, but
at the moment anything's difficult for this English team. They're
just stuttering along. Everyone's waiting for them to actually put
in a performance that justifies their favorites tag going into
(09:52):
the tournament. They've been dour, slow, ponderous, all these sort
of adjectives to describe the way they're playing the game.
And unless they can sort of release the shackles and
get the best out of the all your players that
they have on the pitch, then you know, then they're
going to come into more come in with more flak
(10:14):
from their supporters. Their coach is going to be pilloried
from from from on high, from back home in England.
But I think they'll still have too much for Slovakia.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Do you think Georgia can take some of the energy
from that win this morning and lay it down in
front of the Spanish?
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (10:32):
How good was it? How good was Georgia this morning
against Portugal? You know, that was tremend tremendous effort from them,
you know, do a die for them to they had
to win.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
They did.
Speaker 8 (10:42):
Spain probably the pick of the teams in the tournament,
and Spain I think we'll go through quite comfortably. But
you know, regardless of that, Georgia's had their first international tournament,
They've had a fantastic tournament and they can I think,
you know, Spain Spain have been really good. They also
haven't scored many goals, you know, a couple of one
(11:03):
now wins and to three one win.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
I think we'll But.
Speaker 8 (11:09):
Yes, the Spain and Spain of you know, they they
strangle the life out of the game and I think
they'll have way too much quality for Georgia.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Hey go the next match, and we like these these
trans border matches. So we're talking about the French taking
on the Belgians. This should be fantastic at a melting
pot of styles, of classes of players.
Speaker 8 (11:30):
Absolutely, and I think the Belgians will be absolutely kicking
themselves that. You know, they finished second in the group,
a group that they probably were looking comfortably when the
draw was made to go, yeah we should we should
finish top of this this group. You know Slovakia remain
in Ukraine, they would have gone, wow, we should definitely
should finish top. They've finished second and they've come up
(11:53):
against you know, co favorites France, and you know, I
think Belgium were kicking themselves absolutely, but what a matchup.
You know, I think the pick of the last sixteen
games because the French have have have also shown real quality.
They've got one of the probably the best player in
(12:13):
the world and Bape although his noses are suffered, suffered
through the tournament, and you know they by rights they
should have too much quality for Belgium, but that will
be a really really, probably the highest quality game of
the last six thing in Portugal hoping that what happened
(12:36):
today is not going to affect them up against Slovenia
seven o'clock Tuesday morning. Yeah, it just shows you like
when a team has already qualified, how just a little
drop in quality, a little drop in intensity really can
bring them unstuck. And Portugal are really poor against Georgia
today and you know they need they need a rocket.
(12:59):
But you know Slovenia, who uh, you know, they are
also a team that weren't looking like they were going
to call it fine and managed to do so with
a nill drawer against against the English, so you know
they'll be on on cloud nine. Portugal should be too strong,
but Slovenia showed it showed quite a lot against the English.
(13:19):
But you know, maybe the Portuguese will kick into gear.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Netherlands should run all over the top of from absolutely
no doubt, and that's what we need to look like.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
We were up against England.
Speaker 8 (13:31):
Romania is way better get past them.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
You're not still like going back to your Dutch roots
when you chan't say your Fred.
Speaker 8 (13:39):
No, not at all.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
If you painted your head orange for this clash enough
or let's go to the last game of the round
of sixteen Austria Turkey. Did anyone see that coming?
Speaker 5 (13:50):
No one.
Speaker 8 (13:51):
I don't think anyone would would have picked Austria in
a group with the Dutch and the French, that Austria
would come top of the group. But they have been excellent.
They they It shows you what you can do when
you dare to attack and you dare to press and
you be brave with the ball. And you know they've been.
(14:12):
Ralph Ranak, the coach, has done a fantastic job with
that group of players and they fully deserve everything they've
got so far in the tournament because they've been probably
the standout team of the second tier so called second
tier nations in the Cup. And I think the low
Turkey have been, you know, have shown flashes. I think
Austria probably will edge.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
That if you can, Fred DeJong, can you put your
clogs and your tulips in your pocket and look across
based on current form. Who do you like for the final?
Speaker 8 (14:44):
I think coming out of so looking your head to
the semi finals, you've probably got Netherlands or Austria against
Italy or England. So and then on the on the
other side of that, I would say you're a massive
quarter final, probably Germany Spain so either. I would probably
pick the Spanish against the French. On the other side
(15:06):
in the semifinals, who's to say I would? Prior to
the tournament, I picked France to win.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
The whole thing on what.
Speaker 8 (15:15):
I've seen, Probably the Spanish other form team of the competition,
but I would say a Spain, England or Spain Holland
final would probably be the most likely.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
Right.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
You can climb back and your win will now. Thank
you very much for that, Fred de Young. Always a pleasure,
my friend. Do you look after yourself. Make sure you
drink plenty of water and have decent dozes during the
day so you can get through till Wednesday morning. Thanks
for your time.
Speaker 8 (15:41):
Be long nights mate, and enjoyable cheers.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
Mate.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
The right call is your call on oh eight hundred
eighty eighty sports Talk call on your home of sports
news Talk.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Zibby seven two your turn to school me. I tell
you what to think and how to think all the time.
Not you pay any attention to me. But on this
I am going to sede to your superior knowledge around football.
What do we know now in the round of sixteen?
(16:12):
And we know that the English came in with a
warm favoritism. We know the Germans are about as disciplined
as they come. They are playing at home, big advantage.
The French have got arguably the best player in the
world right now in Bappa, which is wonderful. The Italians
always look the best. It was a competition about who's
got the best kits. I think the Italians win every
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year hand out. There are a few other teams we
don't even know why they are there, as outlined by
Fred Deong. So now we're at the pointy ish end.
There are now eight games to go down to four
to two and then we have a winner. Where does
it sit with you? What have you gleaned out of
the competition so far that would suggest not necessarily a winner,
(16:58):
but warm favoritism to lead you into the finals. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. I'd love to hear from you.
I'd love for you to score me in football? What
we know, what we've seen, what it works? And on
a side, is this twenty fourteen competition worked or has
it just been a dog's breakfast a lot the beauty
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of football? Or was it was clean? And what's happening
in thief of the World Cup? Twenty thousand teams are
going to qualify? You think this was a butchered mess?
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Wait?
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Do you get to the next World Cup? Our eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty lines are open. We've got
some texts for you as well. Feel free nineteen ninety
that zb ZB to text the studio.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
This is sports talk, no need for the TMO.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
We've got the breakdown on sports Talk call oh eight
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Speaker 3 (17:57):
ZIB and then there were sixteen.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
With down.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Now to the knockout, knockout arounds. Finally, you're a twenty
twenty four in Germany. Have you heard what Fred Deong
has to say about the way the games should unfold?
I'd very much like to hear what you think, what
you'll learn? Who is going to end up being at
(18:41):
this point at end? How's the tournament been for you
so far? You can watch this on TV and Z
Plus I'm well informed by producer Melicic. I'm presuming it's
on Sky as well. I lose track with what I'm
watching anything on I just got a television with buttons everywhere,
and I just find sport and there. It is so
(19:02):
the same with social media. Did you email me, message me?
What's at me? Did you tweet me?
Speaker 2 (19:09):
TikTok me?
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Slack?
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Do give up? Anyway's get back on to the football.
Good day, Michael, How are you?
Speaker 5 (19:16):
Oh? Good evening? I'm good, Thanks, thank.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
And now what have you made of this so far?
Has this lived up to expectations? Has this been the
tournament that you've been dreaming of or drawling over?
Speaker 5 (19:27):
Well, I'll try not to be biased here, but I
am also a fellow Dutchman like Bread as well, so
I have been a bit of a mixed tournament. I've
got up at four am to watch the Dutch yesterday
and here we were quite disappointing. But tactically, why is
it lost? Has sort of an interest and easier path
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to the to the finals and what what was originally
going to be you know, sort of predicted, So surely.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
There's some consideration though, is it when you're going about
in a game like football where I can turn on
a dime because the nature of the scoring you could
get knocked. You don't really try and adjust the future
based on your results.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
Surely, Yes, well, I think you should always be working
to top top the table. And I think it's really
just a bit of luck really, you know, year, because
there's been no one real team has stood out for me.
For me, it's been quite evenly tournaments of fascinating really
(20:28):
if you're you're neutral or you know, don't really have
any team to support. There's been update you know, sort
of left right and center, and I think that just
made the tournament even more exciting and interesting to watch.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
So you're a you're a Dutch fan, you're into the Orange.
Get that same with Fred if you kind of take
that away and take those shades off. Is anyone standing
up at the moment and going I am the team
to watch? I could be. Yeah, I've thought of not
not foxing because I think that's an insane thing to do,
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but maybe building and peaking at the right time. And
I suppose English fans are going that's what they're doing
right now.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
Yes, yes, you could say that, and I think on
form you'd have to as I agree with Fred. You'd
have to say the Spanish just because I won all
their games. I thought Germany were looking quite well, but
they looked at the average against Switzerland. You know, France
have been pretty average, Belgium pretty average. Portugal obviously lost
(21:33):
to Georgia, so I think you, yeah, I would agree,
sort of Spain looking just because they've won every game
and none of the other powerhouses have done that.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
No one's been peppering the goal mouth, oh have they?
It hasn't exactly been drenched in goal scoring opportunities. I
want to go back to that. When you've got a
situation like this where qualifying for the Round of sixteen
isn't possibly as defined as it should be. How many
of these teams aren't playing their best football because they
(22:06):
don't have to, and how that skews the favoritism moving
and if that makes.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
Sense, well, yeah, I think I definitely think actually the
better performance have probably been more of the underdogs because
of the favorites of sort of real yeah, it doesn't
seem like any of the favorites really really, you know,
put the pedal to the meddle. So to say, yeah,
it's been pretty low scoring. You look at England, they're
just every middle draws one Noll wins and the same
(22:37):
with Spain and that. So yeah, it's been sort of
the underdogs. I sort of like countries like Romania, Turkey
have been been all right. Austria they've been the more
goal scoring teams in your top tier teams and.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
I think that where's only one team's actually blown another
team off the parks in Germany, massak is probably not
the right word, but they put Scotland to the sword,
didn't they. Besides that, I don't think it's been really
some I think goal scoring wise, it's been very one
way traffic. There's been from three to one and three
twos in the like as well, but nothing as big
as that.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
No, they've all been pretty pretty competitive games really. Apart
from that Germany, Scotland came and actually the ironic thing
is the highest score of goals has actually been own golf.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
That's the kind of stat I'm here for. Michael, Thanks
very much for your time. Have you'd like to join in.
I'd love to hear from you what you've made of
it so far, where you think the favoritism lies, and
how the group play has worked as far as giving
us the best football imaginable. Have there been situations where
(23:51):
teams maybe they know they're going through, so possibly they're
not going to try that much and that has given
the other side a slight advantage, which is in turn
worked against other teams that may have had a harder route.
It just seems cumbersome and clumsy, but as Fred pointed out,
it's all about people paying for it and climbing into
the stadium that as many games as they possibly can.
(24:13):
You've been watching it so far. You're a football fan
who's got the whip hand. Heading into these last games,
the round of sixteen, before we start getting to the
quarter final, it gets really sticky. Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty give us your thoughts, Steve writes, Darcy, pick
(24:33):
the team whose fans are most likely to start punch
ups in general chaos, that's the most exciting part of soccer. Well,
it's like watching motorsport for the accidents particularly uncool. But
I thank you for your text, pray tell sir when
come once with the football a TV ANDZ plus skysport
(24:55):
there you goo and a question, Darcy, ree football or
why are we playing against the Pacific Islands. It's a
bit embarrassing the dominance we have. It's men are different leagues.
I'm sorry, I don't know much about football. Doesn't seem
like a level playing field. Well technically because now there
are more directed missions to the World Cup. Will be
insane to move out of Oceania. Other teams like Australia
(25:18):
moved into this Asian group. It's a lot harder, but
the quality of football is higher. You could say maybe
they're a bit scaredy cap. But if you start getting
direct entry to the FIFA World Cup and you can
peel off the notes that we forgive you for doing that,
why would you change? Really? Why there's no sense behind
(25:39):
doing it? Maybe not playing on pot marked pictures. Some
of the quality of those decks is the scout, but
that's all right going through to the final. Now I
should get that to get through to the World Cup.
Another excuse to watch football. Twenty five minutes away from
our eightes, Bob McMurray joins us as we throw the
(26:00):
suitcase of Liam Wilson all over the hotel floor and
pick through the underpants and howls and old stains T shirts.
What is going on? We'll find out what Bob McMurray
before the end of the Program's the News Talk's EB
lines are open eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Who's
going to win euro Where are the big matchups? Tell
me I need to know seventy eight Sports Talk on
(26:24):
News Talks EB. Steve tells me it's not on sky
and see. The reason I say that is because everything
feeds through my skybox, so I don't really know where
it's originally sourced from, where it's TV and Z or
I don't know. What I know is the pictures are
on the TV and I watch them. That's about as
complex as I'd like to make it. But thanks very
much for pointing that out. TVNZ fIF for got something
(26:50):
going on? We can get it free to wear there.
Someone wants me to find out what's going on in
the Copa Kabana Cup. Isn't that beach football? You might
be talking about something else. I'm pretty sure you don't
want to know about beach football. Up there you go,
and a question. Did you know Grant Turner? He used
to play for Tony It was a cracking football, a
(27:12):
hard case. I don't know him, but I remember watching
him back in the day. He very much, from what
I gather, encompassed the New Zealand agricultural version of football.
That's probably the plightest way I can say it. He
didn't take a backward step when he's on the part.
(27:35):
But one of the guys that I remember from way
back in the day, late seventies, early eighties, when I
was a mere boy watching football on ten eighty lines
are open. I'd like to know. I'd like to be taught,
like to be told, you look at the fixtures that
are up here. If I have a mad stab at
how these are going to go. Based on the odd
(27:58):
highlights package and the articles that I've read around this
Switzerland beat Italy, Germany beat Denmark, England beat Slovakia, Spain
beat Georgia, I think that one is a given. I
think they probably played their game Georgia in the early
(28:20):
hours of this morning, beating the Iberian Peninsula neighbors of
Spain and Portugal. France Belgium. Hard to separate a lot
of grief going on between those teamations sitting right on
the border. France coming in as one of the favorite
teams earlier on, you probably go toward them. Portugal over Slovenia,
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Romania will probably get stomped by the Netherlands, Austria, Turkey.
Flip a coin. That's how I see it in my
illeducated eyes. If you think you can give me more
information that might lead me by all means, please do
I live to hear from you one hundred eighty ten
eighty you we can text through nineteen niney two. Otherwise, Oh,
(29:09):
talk Motorsport. There's a story around about where Lim Lawson
is going to end up. The rumor is that even
maybe when they come back from their break, Lawson may
(29:31):
find himself with a seat, with Ricardo being elbowed to
one side. Who knows. Bob McMurray will unpack that with
us shortly and on Sports Talk there's a News talks eb.
It's eighteen away from eight.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
So I'm dancing with the semiwhere I still see you.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Bob mc murray joins the program. Now as we look
at the long running saga of the Kei, we who
can't quite get himself a Formula one seat. Bob plenty
of experienced thirty years with McLaren, you know how this works.
Paddock rumors, potential lost, potential money, Beckers non Beckers.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
It is a soap.
Speaker 7 (30:22):
Opera, isn't it, Bob and welcome, thank you Darcy. Well, yeah,
it is turning into one. And I'm very wary of this.
I mean, this is all centered around to some quotes
that the famous Helmet Marco made to an Austrian or
German media channel, and basically, I mean he said that
(30:43):
the shareholders of Red Bull have reminded him or reminded
the team. The Red Bull was set up for a
young driver academy, almost for Formula One, and he said,
now that Ricardo's in there, it's not so. I mean,
his quote was, the aim was for Ricardo to qualify,
qualify for a return to Red Bull Racing with exceptional performances.
That seat now belongs to Sergio Perez, so the plan
(31:05):
is off the table. We'll have to put in a
young driver soon. That would be Liam Lawson. So that's
his quote, which is wonderful, and you know, you think,
oh wow, this is pretty on there. But listen, let's
get back to Helmut Marco and Red Bull. If that
quote is true, if it's translated properly, and if Marco
is not trying to spark up Ricardo again and if
(31:27):
he meant what he actually said. He's often misquoted deliberately,
so and if he's not trying to boost any possible
AUDI involvement, because they've been talking about Liam Lawson as well,
at least the press have, which means that Red Bull
do not have to play a team PUDI to take
him off their hands. And if Marco is not playing
political games, then it's certainly possible. In other words, yeah,
(31:51):
there's a chance. There's the same chance that's been there
all the time, except Marco has just added another brick
to the wall of that chance. So we can only
see what happened to Arcie and hope to be honest.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
What about the power game sitting here? This is the
big thing, isn't it. The Christian Horner camp with Riccado
and the Marco camp with Lawson. When Marco talks of
the shareholders, is that the fifty one percent majority or
is that the forty nine percent? Cause a ruckus?
Speaker 7 (32:19):
Yeah, I forgot to mention that there is this battle
going on between Marco and Horner and who owns what
and who's allowed to do what. Now, there is no
doubt that Horner has got a bit of acendency over
Helmet Marco in that team because Marco's main backer has
what he died. I mean, that's unfortunate for him, but
(32:40):
it's a bit rude when all this is going on.
For Liam Lawson, it would have been a very easy transition.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
You would think.
Speaker 7 (32:45):
But yes, there is a power battle going on. Who
calls the shots now on drivers? I don't know. But
by Helmet Mico's saying this, he has reminded the shareholders generally,
which is I guess he's talking about the Red Ball
people in Austria and he's going to include the the
the fifty one percent, the tie version of that. He's
(33:07):
got to remind them that it is set up for
a junior team. Maybe he's just trying to get a
bit of a sendency back in his own severe of influence,
which was all drivers and young drivers. So if Liam
Lawson is in the middle of that battle as well,
well it's not going to go well. But the thing
is there again, Sergio Perez has got his drive next
(33:28):
year and Ricardo has not. If you look on the
facts of it, Ricardo has not come up to the
mark as yet to actually get a seat in Red Bull.
So you ain't going to get one, so do they
keep him there? Well, this is what Marco was saying.
We're a young driver system and this is for young drivers.
And there's a few races yet left for Ricardo to
(33:52):
make his mark before the summer break hopefully, which is
I'm not sure you count up. I think it's four races?
Was it for maybe five races to go? So yeah,
there's a lot to happen. There's a lot to happen.
I just get nervous and all these things come out
and they talk about Liam getting his drive, Well it's
exactly the same chance as it was, as simple as that.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
So the support for Marco is that with the Tie
or is that with the people that are running Redborn Austria.
So who's got the web Ham when you look at
percentages or is that just simply too basic to apply?
Speaker 7 (34:27):
Now when all the arguments were going on, it was
fifty one percent, which is the Tie version, the guy
who actually invented the drink, believe it or not, the
Austrian version only developed it into a marketable product. So
the Tie guy who invented it and developed it, they
owned the fifty one percent. Now that is split between
(34:47):
him and his family and all sorts of things, but
he controls it. The forty nine percent, which is helmet.
Marco's backers are the Austrians.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
That was.
Speaker 7 (34:58):
That's where he came from. He's Austrian. He was immediately
picked up by the Austrian company of people. In fact,
his only backer was Dietrich Matisich and he had the
temerity to die before all this was sorted out. So
you know, it is basically between Austria and Thailand, which
means Horner and Marka in the in the team at
(35:21):
the moment.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Where's Alex Elbon and all of us?
Speaker 7 (35:25):
Well, Alex Albon is he's signed to Williams, so we'll
leave him.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
We'll leave him there.
Speaker 7 (35:29):
The person, the person who's mixing the part, of course,
is Yoslah Stappin's dad. So sorry, Yosa Stappin is Marca
Max's dad. So Yosa Stappin has been very vociferous over
the last few months, although he's quite and down a
bit now. I think he's had a bucket of cold
water pord over his head, and I think he has
been the one that's been stirring up an awful lot
(35:50):
in the team. And I think he has failed to
do that. That's why he's that's why he's a little
bit quiet. And Christian Horner is very looking, very smug,
even more smug than well, possibly even more smug than
Ron Dennis used to look. So yeah, Christian Horner is
walking around like he owns the world, and in his
world he does.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Bob mc murray joins the program, a long time Formula
One man involved with McLaren for probably longer than he
had cared to tell us. Let's look at the action
during the break. Now it's a little later this year.
It comes between Belgium and the Netherlands, so between round
fourteen and fifteen. Of course the Netherlands and that atrocious
(36:31):
weather as where Liam Lawson climbed into the car and
suddenly made a name for himself. But isn't that month
long break where no one can do anything the machinations
behind the buying and the hiring of drivers. Is this
a time where backs are to be stabd, where deals
can be made without the watchful live of the media.
(36:53):
Is this likely? And when you consider that the Netherlands
is where he made his mark and the race is
beyond that, he's had experience in prime time or is
this just what the media you're climbing into.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
No.
Speaker 7 (37:05):
I think Darcy time has actually passed now because when
you look at the scene of Formula One for next
year and probably twenty six, there are very few seats available.
We're talking about Audi, I've got one seat available. That
could be boss Us, that could be Liam Lawson, that
could be all sorts of people. It could be Carlos Science.
You're looking at Williams who's got one seat available, and
that is looking like either Carlo Science or another not
(37:28):
sure who. That's about it. That's about all there is
apart from Alpine, who don't know if they're having one driver,
two drivers, no drivers, and they don't even know with
Flavia Breratory and then now they're telling the team or
keeping it. So we will put Alpine aside for the
moment because nobody particularly wants to go there. So the
(37:48):
driver market this year is very small, and it hinges
around Carlos Science and then it hinges around Lea and Lawson.
That's essentially it.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Break, Sorry, Bob. Within the break, the four weeks when
they're not really allowed to do anything, is that when
something could happen internally within the side. Some decisions could
be made within the team, not like involving other drivers,
but pe purely with Lawson.
Speaker 7 (38:13):
Yes, lots could happen during that break, but I suspect
that this is going to happen. The decisions are going
to be made before the break when it comes to
Limn Wilson and the Red Bull and the RB team.
What is going to happen in that break. This is
the big thing is that so many engineers are going
to be moving around. Lots of people are trying to
leave the Alping team, Lots of people are trying to
(38:36):
leave Mercedes for Red Bull. Red Bull are hiring from Mercedes.
People are going from Red Bull to McLaren. McLaren are
hiring people from Mercedes and Red Bull. Ferrari hiring anybody
that wants to put their head above the parapet and
they're trying to get to Adrian Newey on board. So
the whole driver market that will be swapping itself for
(38:58):
the engineer's market. Bearing in mind that most engineers are
on a gardeningly period of a year or something like that,
you won't see what happening in the break with all
these people until months later when you suddenly realize that
that guy hasn't been in the office lately. So yeah,
he's doing his garden because he's going to Ferrari next week,
or Williams or Red Bull or Aston Martin, Aston Martin
(39:21):
and the chipping things in there as well. So that's
where all the movement is going to happen. Over the break.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Forget the ref's call, you make a call on.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Sports Talk on your home of Sports Talks.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
And if you're wondering why I referenced album On on this
because he's as a time over wonder if there was
any relationship there, So we had number wiser essentially around
what goes on. What we do know is that Liam
Lawson is very quick, he's very very good at what
he does, and the Formula one circus is exactly that.
(39:58):
So we sit, we wait, we hold our breath, and
hopefully the tenth man to run Formula one from New
Zealand we'll go on to a full time drive member.
Before that, it was Brendan Hartley. That didn't work out
too well for Brendan has gone on to a very
successful care the endurance racing circuit, picking up four world
(40:20):
championships and three victories at Lamont, who's doing very well
in Lamont as well a couple of weeks ago and
tell A Ferrari drove into his side, which was not ideal. Hey,
that's twenty four hour of racing at Lemon and if
you want to listen to more on that, just pick
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(40:41):
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Speaker 3 (41:18):
For Rogudo Sport over the weekend, Piney is your Man.
I believe that Piney has Scott robson for an hour
over the weekend weekend Sport that's between twelve and three
on Saturday and Sunday. I would suggest knowing what I
know of Rasor Robertson, that is must listen to Sport
Radio even if you're only remotely interested in rugby. Raiser
(41:43):
Robertson is a new broom. He is quite something else.
The way he handles deals with them, promotes the game
and the All Blacks to the media is going to
be one of the better points of his tenure. I'd
like to think he's a pretty straight shooting character, and
I'd suggest that Ends it are possibly a little freaked
(42:05):
out about what he may or may not say, although
he's been very well behaved since the coup driven by
Ends are got rid of me and Foster and put
them in place. Should be good times over the weekend. Darcy, You,
a true motorsport fan is always watching and hoping for
someone to crash. No, Steve, They're not eggs, unlike a
(42:28):
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