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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
And welcome it to the Monday night edition of sports
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Olympic Champion sprinter and long jumper American Carl Lewis. I'm
Jason Pine Show producer. Tonight is Ants Millericic. We are
here until eight talking sport, and specifically tonight I want
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to talk the All Blacks with you. This will be
the last Monday this year on which we'll be able
to talk about the All Black season without any frame
of reference. This time next week they'll have played their
first test of the year and will be into things
a fourteen test back end to twenty twenty four. So tonight,
I just want to talk in general terms about your expectations.
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Let's talk about your hopes. Let's talk about what success
will look like as a new coaching regime is ushered in,
because really, the players, by and large are the same players. Yes,
there have been some major departures, the likes of Sam Whitelocke,
Brody rettallic Richie Mooonger, Shannon Frazell and others, and some
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new players have come into the fold, some new Caps
just chomping at the bit, no doubt, to get their
first taste of test rug better likes of Bleak Proctor
and Cortes Ratima and others. But as I say, by
and large, it's the same core of players that have
carried the All Blacks for the last one, two, three,
four and in many cases longer in terms of years.
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Got to open the lines immediately on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty tonight. Look, I've got a bunch of
interviews that I can play a bit, some pieces of
audio that I've picked up, and other things that I can,
you know, put on the radio. But really, what I
want to put on the radio in the next fifteen
minutes or so, as you lines open immediately on eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty, any aspect of the upcoming
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All Black season that you want to unpack, drill down into,
or just discuss. Really, we'll get you inside the All
Blacks camp. As I say a couple of players and
assistant coach Scott Hansen on the show tonight, But I
really want to read your pulse on this fourteen test matches,
two against England, then Fiji, the Rugby Championship with two
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tests each against Argentina both here, against South Africa both
over there, and Australia one here, one there. So just
the two Bledislow Cup tests this year as part of
the Rugby Championship and then five test matches on the
end of year tour Japan on the way up north
and then England, Ireland, France. That's a tough three weeks
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and Italy to finish the year. So even in numerical terms,
what is the pass mark? What's the pass mark for you?
You more interested in performance and the way players develop?
And are you most curious about the way this All
Blacks team will play? Because that's kind of what I
want to see. And when a new coach comes in
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often there's that temptation, isn't there for them to immediately
stamp their mark? If you didn't know, and I know
this is entirely hypothetical, but if you didn't know, I
wonder if you'll be able to tell that there's been
a coaching change just by the way the team plays.
I can tell you from being in and around the
team in the last week or so, they've gathered here
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in Wellington where I am, and they had their launch
last Wednesday. They had their first little bits of media
that day and have had over the last few days.
Was out there again today for a media session, had
Scott robertson the radio for an hour on Saturday. And
it does feel a bit different. I have to say,
it's impossible to actually quantify that in any real way,
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but it just feels a little bit different. And I
guess that's natural because almost the entire coaching staff is different.
The only survivor from the previous regime is Jason Ryan,
isn't it. The others are all new, They're all in there,
They're all wanting to make an impact. There's a huge
amount of excitement I know around the way this team,
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you know, have come together and want to get stuck
into their work. So I'm just keen to hear from
you with it. You know how you're feeling about all
of this, Really pick up on any strand of it.
You like our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty We
can talk selection if you like as well. It's an
obvious discussion point. What's your fifteen for the first Test
I've written mind down, I think it's reasonably easy to
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pick only a couple of positions I think are probably
up for grabs. I'm keen to hear you think well,
wear a couple of jerseys in particular, but a broad slate. Tonight,
as we preview the All Black year at the start
of the first Test week of the season, our eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty and being Monday night, of
course we rate the weekend pinety's power rankings the be
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it's the worst and everything in between from the last
two or three days and some live sports keeping on
as well. The Central Pulse have the chance to return
to the top of Netball's a m Z Premiership. Tonight
they're an in the cargol taking on the bottom play Steel.
If the Pulse win they would go back to the
top of the table with just three rounds to go
after the Tactics were upset by the Mystics yesterday, so
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we'll certainly keep an eye on that for you. But
as I say, your feedback and interaction, the life blood
of the show is always oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty on the phone nineteen ninety two if you
would prefer to send a text or an email to
me Jason at NEWSTALKSEDB dot co dot nz. Coming up
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Speaker 3 (05:42):
Forget the refs call, you make a call on eight
hundred and eighty eighty Sports Talk on your home of
sports Talk, said B's Talks heid B twelve.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Past seven, Kick us off, Jack, How are you gooday?
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Piney?
Speaker 5 (05:56):
Very excited for the next upcoming season. Heading to the
im PAC match. I guess to your point of what's
a pass mark, I would have said dropping one of
those last three games is probably by that I mean
three of England, France and uh England, France and Ireland.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
And I would have said locally, I would have said
winning one of the South Overrican two and then maybe
dropping one other one other match. So I guess three
three losses would be a pass Two losses would be
a good year.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yeah, that's that's kind of what I That's kind of
the ballpark I was thinking as well. And I think
it would be, you know, pretty optimistic to expect us
to win all fourteen Test matches this year. There are
some tough ones in there, and as you pointed out
straight away, England, Island, France, and three consecutive weeks. That's
pretty tough. That's like, that's like the back end of
a World Cup, right, three big matches like that in
a row. I'll tell you what, check. I wouldn't want
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to be losing the blad Slow Cup on my first
year as All Blacks coach.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
That would be terrible. With one of the twenty one
years or something. I mean, losing at You to the
Park or losing Bletherslow would be Either would be terrible.
But I think losing a couple, losing a game South
Aveagan is not the end of the world. Losing one
of those three, one of those big three nations in
Europe is in the end of the world. Losing those
two set us really pretty bad. I think there's But
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I'd be keen to hear from other people who maybe
washed than me, is what is the what are the
other squads we're about to play? What about relative what
they were last year? Have they also lost a lot
of big name players or are they what they were?
But anyway, that's that's my thoughts.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Money good man, Jack. So you off to the England
Test in Auckland.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Yeah, yeah, flying up from Wellington for that, so pretty
excited without hitting the whole family, and then kind of
the Argentina game with my girlfriend and Wellington, and then
the Ozsie game in Wellington as well, So I think
there would be pretty.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Effict Yeah good, yeah good. I'll look out for you
in the crab mate, take it easy. Thanks for you good,
Thanks all right, Jack, take it easy, mate, see you
bye bye o light one hundred eighty ten eighty you look.
I think it's a really good start of for ten
from Jack. Yeah, fourteen test matches if you can, if
you can win twelve of them, and the two you
drop aren't the two against Australia. I don't think you've
had a successful year if we get to the end
of the year and the Bleddi slow kapp are still
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safely locked away the rugby champion, you know, if you
win that great and then that end of year tour
that really interests me, you know, particularly the way it's
structured Italy to finish almost seems like, with no disrespect
to Italy, it almost seems like a bit of an
anti climactic way to finish the year, and many ways
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should probably prefer. Italy was at the start of that
Northern tour and you'd go. We got Japan and Yokohama
on the way up, and then ideally you'd probably go Italy, England, Ireland,
France or certainly Italy first and then any order of
the last three. But England, Ireland, France, London, Dublin, Paris
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on three consecutive weekends. That is basically, as I said
to Jack, that's Rugby World Cup knockout stuff there, and
it's going to be difficult to play the same team
probably for all three of those weeks, although you could.
Scott Robinson said over the weekend that he expects to
use between forty and forty four players this year, so
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I think he's going to need all of those injuries happen,
loss of form. You need big squads for matches that
are packed tightly together, like they will be on the
end of year tour. Five test matches in five weeks Japan, England, Island, France,
Italy and five consecutive weekends, plus all the travel to
get up there, obviously to Japan, then on towards the north.
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Once you're up there, of course England to Ireland to
France to Italy isn't too onerous, but even so it's
got of texts. Jeffer says due playmakers playing players at
a position like fenaw to cover lock. Is this the
North Island Raiser rather than the Crusaders Raiser. I'm not
exactly sure what you're alluding to their, Jeffer, but I
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don't think you'll see Summer Penny Female play at Locke
this year. It just doesn't feel likely to me. I
think what's happened with this all black squad that he's
picked the thirty two for these first three games is
he's had to lose a forward somewhere, and he clearly
didn't want to lose a prop or a loose forward.
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And if he's going to take eighteen or a hooker, obviously,
if he's going to take eighteen forwards, then if he
got six props and six loose forwards and three hookers,
then you have only got room for three locks. The
Scott Barrett's going to pretty much play every test as
long as he's satisfied about Patrick twe Polotto's fitness. He's
got two poort Valu there and if he really needs to,
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Summer Penny Female could play at Lock. But I think
if one of those guys happened to get injured and
dropped out. Then you just bring Sam Darien. He's with
the team anyway, so I think you just bring him in.
Mars says, who's you lose? Forward? Trio Piney and time
muss in time. I've got my whole fifteen year mate
in time be ken to hear yours mate, Texter back
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to us. Who's the six seven eight? Hey, Bevan? How
are you?
Speaker 7 (10:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (10:56):
Good Jason? A word up from Melvin. So Hooper's been
Michael Hooper has been obviously training with the sevens. He
is definitely going to be the captain of the Wallabies.
So I say, watch out all blacks.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Hang on, how Michael Hooper I thought he'd now, I
thought he'd chucked it in.
Speaker 8 (11:17):
Well, maybe you need to, like, you know, stop reading
newspactors and then start like wording up on online stuff. Yeah,
so Hooper's yeah, so you know he was playing sevens,
right he Jack? Yeah, Okay, so he's totally fair and
Schmidt has him and and and in the in the
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scheme of things. So yeah, watch out the Wallabies are coming. Yeah,
and you know that. But I thought you were I
thought I thought you knew a lot of things about sport.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Well, I try to keep across most things. But I
I thought i'd heard I'd heard a whisper that that
he was he was basically retiring from Australian rugby.
Speaker 8 (12:01):
So when did you hear that? About a year ago?
Speaker 6 (12:04):
No?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
This morning? In fact, I'm looking at I'm looking at
an article on the Guardian right now. Michael Hooper retires
from Australian rugby after missing out on Olympics place. Wallaby's
veteran not part of the seven steam for Paris injuries. Ultimately,
Dash hopes of making a move from the fifteen man game.
He's announced his retirement.
Speaker 8 (12:26):
I reckon, I reckon, Schmid's going to bring him in,
like I mean, yeah, okay, Well, I'm just saying he's
still fit as a fiddle.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Look, I hope he doesn't.
Speaker 8 (12:35):
He's got he's got unfinished business with the All Blacks.
And by the way, there's no way I can't believe
Ardie Chavier is not is not the you know you're
all Black? This is crazy.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Do you say the captain of the All Blacks? You
just cut out there? Did you say you can't believe
he's not captain?
Speaker 6 (12:53):
Exactly?
Speaker 8 (12:54):
Yeah, totally Like I mean it was just like I mean,
Scott Scott, you know, like, yeah, I don't get it.
Ardie deserves it and yeah and when he was he
was good. So what's going on there? And Scott Barrett
is prone to brain faiths, you know, like who isn't
I mean, look at Sam Kine in the World Cup final.
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But I mean, let's not go there. But but come on,
you know, like I can't believe Ardie Chaviert has not
been named as captain.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah, look I think he's vice captain. Thanks Pevin, appreciate you,
cor mate. And Michael Hooper has retired. I've just checked
his instagram. What a ride. My Olympic journey has come
to an end and with it my Australian rugby career.
So yeah, unless but to be fair, if he did
come back, he wouldn't be the first guy to unretire,
would he. I think with Ardie Savia you don't necessarily
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have to wear the armband to lead, and I think
that's the way Artie goes about things and he will
have a huge influence on the side. He and Jordy
Barrett are the two vice captains, and Scott Barrett, independent
of the coaching group chose his vice captains. He didn't
get handed them. PINTI, what is the All Blacks first game?
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It's England, I think you might mean on the end
of year tour. I've heard that it's Ireland. Now Ireland's
the schedule. I think I read it before, but I'll
quickly go through it again. England in Dunedin this weekend,
then Auckland the following then off to San Diego to
play fig Then in August, two consecutive home tests against
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Argentina in Wellington and Auckland. At the beginning of September,
which is a big month, off to South Africa for
tests in Johannesburg and Cape Town. Back home, bled Uslow
Cup Test in Sydney, bled Uslow Cup Test in Wellington.
That's the back end of September. Then a bit of
a month of rest and recuperation, then off to the
Northern Tour Japan, England, Ireland, France, Italy and five consecutive
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weekends from October twenty six through until November twenty four.
That is the All Black schedule for the year. Muscles
come back with a loose trio Arti at seven, black
Adder at six and Jacobson at eight. That's completely different
from mine. Muzz I don't match any of those. I've
got Ard in my three, but he's at number eight.
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I've got Dott and Papalite at seven and Summer Penny
Fee now at six. So those are my lusies. We'll
get to the other selections in a moment. Let's get
into the All Blacks camp. Cody Taylor, I asked him
today out at All Blacks HQ, which is the n
z CI S and Upper Hut for the next couple
of days. Anyway, I asked Cody Taylor how the first
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few days in the All Blacks camp had been.
Speaker 9 (15:38):
There's been at a lot of learnings. It's a lot
of excitement and energy from the group, especially the coaching.
The coaching group there, they've probably been chewing out the
bit for six months now and it's awesome to see
them come in here and really own their roles with
them within the coaching group. You know, we've been in
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this environment at in z CIS and to have this
facility has made that process a lot easier, not having
any and buses and stuff and really connect as a team.
I've really enjoyed it. It has been tough at times,
been a few long nights of learning new things, but yeah,
really looking forward to building into this test week.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
How different is Raiser the All Blacks coach, from Raiser
the Crusaders coach.
Speaker 9 (16:23):
Uh, it's not a lot, I don't think. Obviously, the
expectations a lot higher because you're now the All Black
coach and.
Speaker 10 (16:33):
Rightly so.
Speaker 9 (16:34):
You know, this nation prides itself on on being a
great rugby nation and he gets the duty of leading
it out there, leading this team. But the way he's
shown himself, he's showed no difference to what he's been
in the past.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
In terms of the hookers and the squad. Yourself obviously
into far less experienced hookers. How does that change the
dynamic and your role within the hooking cohort?
Speaker 7 (17:01):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
Myself.
Speaker 9 (17:05):
And then we've got the Belly and the Sapho who's
been here before and has performed really well with sup rugby,
and I feel like he's ready to get stuck into today.
He's he's looking like a you know, bloody powerhouse. And
then there's Belly, who's just a ken and eager young
hooker who really wants to learn and he's got the
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goods man. He's pretty special talent and that's not taking
anything away from the work that he puts in so different,
I suppose a little bit different. You know, you want
to help those boys grow and learn as quick as
they can because when you're out there and his footy.
Speaker 6 (17:40):
It's a lot different.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
So do you mustain coals?
Speaker 6 (17:43):
Ah?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
God, I love Colzy, I do.
Speaker 9 (17:46):
If he's listening to this good a mate, it's.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Cody Taylor in a smile on's face, I have to
say out there at all Black's HQ today also had
the chance to speak with one of the new assistant coaches,
Scott Hanson, firstly about half backs and first fives. He
had the responsibility for them in the ual squad selection.
That was his area of expertise. He made recommendations around
who should be picked at half back and first five
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in this thirty two man squad. So I Askedcott Hanson
whether that means that he gets a say in who
plays in the nine and ten jerseys on Saturday night.
Speaker 10 (18:22):
The boss is the boss. He gets to say, we'll
get the ability to pick our thoughts to the boss.
As a coaching group, we've had some really open minded
conversations around what that looks like. At the end of
the day, every test will pick the best team available
to be the best that we need to be on
that weekend.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
The halfback one's very interesting. You've got an eighty test veteran,
yes thin like Christy, who's been around the group for
a few years, and you've got a brand new guy
in Courties. I'm interested to know how you might manage
the three of them across the three test matches.
Speaker 10 (18:56):
The key thing there around the management is how they
manage it. So what are there looks their weeks look like,
how do they set the group up despite the tests numbers?
How do they lead during the week. So the other
things I'm looking at, I will say TJ his connection
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with the group's, our ability to connect our game around
our defense and attack has been really good this week.
Young Cortez energy and excitement, a lot of smiles, massive
energy on the field and then with fun. He's just
the ultimate professional around consistency and giving the roles that
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we need. So we have three very good halfbacks we
can choose from, just like we have three very good
tens we can choose from.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, I just want to ask you about that as
well Boden and still of good Offens the other one.
That's right you're alluding to there. So again, how do
you make these decisions around who gets which jersey and
who perhaps doesn't get a jersey.
Speaker 10 (19:59):
We look at the opposition, We look at their strengths,
opportunities for us, We look at the game we want
to play, and then we slide on the ten. We
believe that's going to of us the outcome we need
what I will say, with Body coming in, sitting down,
the calmness, the clarity that it gives. Have been so
impressed with Body, his care for the group. He's a
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proud All Black and I've really enjoyed being around Body
for me, which has been the first time.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
That is Scott Hansen, assistant coach, first chance I've had
to chat face to face with him. He was on
the show a week ago when the team was named
down in christ Church. Be your first chance to meet
and chat with Scott Hansen. Obviously have a very deep
thinker on the game and as I mentioned, a responsibility
of half backs and first five's within Razer's regime. It's
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just on seven twenty seven, I want to get a
breakaway want some more calls though, particularly around the fourteen
test matches and what you would regard as a success
at the end.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
I mean, I would love us to win all fourteen,
but I don't know. You wouldn't put your house on that,
would you? Two of them against South Africa, both away,
England Island and France in London, Dublin and Paris. Even
the Italy game is going to be quite tough at
the back end of the year, although by the time
we get to that, I get the feeling that razoraw
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role out his first choice side, if you know what
I mean. For England Island France for the most part,
and maybe the Italy game that back ends the year
is one where I guess some of those fringe players
get a game. That's why you know. I quite like
it to end on a high build towards you a
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big final Test, but be that as it may. Italy
your last, so that'll change the way selections are done.
But I begin to know from you how many test
matches would need to win, if that's a metric that
you want to use in order for the season to
be a success. I think eleven out of fourteen would
certainly be okay, and that just goes to show the
high standards that we set. Eleven out of fourteen, that's
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a lot of tests to win. I think, well, I
think we'll win all our home tests. I don't see
us losing any of our tests at home, and there
are only five of them. The two against England who
will be good, Argentina twice, and then the home led
Uslowe Cup Test. I always back us to win every
time we played, but particularly at home. But out of
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the fourteen, how many oh eight hundred eighty ten nine
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Speaker 3 (22:35):
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Speaker 2 (22:44):
Seven thirty one on text. Crusader supporters will be happy
with just the one win. It's very good. I think
we all know they'll be back.
Speaker 7 (22:52):
Good day, Jason, okay, BII Hey, I think the burning
question is not what we think the cussis looks like.
BE loved to know what their question would have been
answered when Scott Robinson went for the interview. I think
in his words it would have been fourteen. If there's
forteing tests, Chef Dell wacked yeap fourteen.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Yep, you reckon. He would have said all of it.
It would have said all of them.
Speaker 7 (23:12):
Well, given the manner of the man and the legacy
has built the crusade, there's anything other than fowardeen To me,
I just seemed an absolutely outrageous measure. But anything thirteen
or less sort of is a bit of a fail.
I'll tell you one thing. I'm pleased that he's not
touching on and you asked it well on the Saturday,
And I hate it when we ask him this because
it's absolutely a diusomally irrelevant is don't talk about World Cup.
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I don't want to hear about will Cup into three
years time.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
It's irrelevant. Yeah, I guess the reason I asked, Yeah, no,
and i'd look, I'll consider myself told off. The reason
I asked the question just to throw it back to you.
The reason I asked is because everything seems to be
so geared around World Cup cycles these days, not just
these days, but now that I just thought it was.
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I was interested to know whether any part of him
had an eye on twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 7 (24:06):
No, I think the Armentry gave you was brilliant, and
that's why I'm warming them well. I never had to
warm films. I was there already. But that'll take care
of herself in the year of the World Cup cycle
for me. I think Razor himself is looking to win
every test. And I'll tell you what, this could be
the start of a real gold near for All Bats
because he's got the guy that you'd want to go
into war with.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, and look, if they were all fourteen, Jase, then look,
I'll be quite happy to be wrong. I'll be absolutely
delighted if the All Blacks win all fourteen test matches
this year. I'm like you, like a lot of you,
I want the All Blacks to win every time they play.
Every time the All Blacks run out to play a
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gamer rugby test matcher, otherwise I want them to win
the game. I'm an All Blacks fan. We all are, really,
aren't we. I just wonder if we get to the
back end of November and we look back at the
year and the All Blacks have one, let's say, eleven
out of fourteen, provided we still have the Bleater Slow
Cup and we've won eleven out of fourteen in a
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year where five of those fourteen tests are two away
against South Africa, France, Ireland and England and consecutive weekends.
I mean, you'd have to think would drop at least
one or two of those, all things being equal. So
if we've got to the back end and you, let's
say twelve, I think twelve, I'd be happy with. What
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a hard taskmaster I feel like. But Chase, you'll go
for fourteen. I know you don't, you know, I know
you're probably more on what Razor would say. But I
just think it's great to support a team that you
have an expectation rather than a hope of every time
they go out. Good to chat, Jason, know we'll do
it again. So Mate, how are you mark?
Speaker 7 (25:54):
You good?
Speaker 6 (25:54):
Bony? Yeah, I think I've got to start well against England.
I think that's quite crucial for everyone. I think probably
they'll be targeting the Africans in Africa. I mean it's
always a huge has always been traditionally a huge challenge
in them being the World champs. I think we've got
some to get the World Cup. But yeah, listening to
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listening to the docos and listening to your interview on
Saturday with him. I think it's going to be a
different method that he's going to use as far as
putting players on the field. He talks about the NFL,
and I mean the NFL is you know, a very
complicated game with a lot of moving parts, and the
way he's talking about it and a number of coaches
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and specific coaches he's got, I reckon he's going to
really tag it putting the right players on for the
opposition rather than having fifteen and if they get injured,
you know, you bring on whoever and then put the
back again. I think he's going to put you know,
halfbacks that he thinks are going to do well against
say Australia, and then different different half back against South
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Africa and maybe Boden Barrett playing one game against whoever
and yeah them Mac in another role, and he might
even switch players around and move Boden to the back
and maybe put Perter Feeder up in some cases. I
mean Peter Feeder's great and that I think a number
ten and say a traditional team like England or something
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like that. I think that's what we're going to see
this year.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, horses for course, this sort of stuff. I'm interested
in what he does for this coming weekend. Mark I
when I wrote down my team, and then I looked
at my reserves, and then I looked at who was left.
What I've actually done, whether it was intentional or not,
is I haven't given a debut to anybody this weekend.
I haven't got George Bell, Pasilio, Tossi Wallace, A Tt Cortez,
tom or Billy Procter in my twenty three for this weekend.
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And I didn't necessarily, I didn't intentionally leave them out.
I just I wrote down who I thought would be
the fifteen, and then I named my reserves, and it
just happened those five were outside the twenty three. So
I think you always want to get off to a
good start, right and I think I think they will.
But I think he'll probably a little bit more on
experience for the first test of the year.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
So who did you have for nineteen and fifteen?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
I had t J, Petanata, Damien Mackenzie, and Bowden Barrett. Okay,
who do you have at nineteen and fifteen?
Speaker 5 (28:24):
I think what he said the.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
Other day was quite impressed with TJ's performance, and so
I think, yeah, I think he will definitely stand nine.
I'm thinking the way i've heard them talking, maybe Boden
Barrett at ten and maybe Tea Mack at the back.
I reckon or you know, yeah, I think that would
be the way i'd go.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
All right, Mark, Well, I we'll look forward to look
forward to seeing how they go. Mate, Always good to chat.
Good that you got through on Saturday as well. Had
the chance to catch up with Razo one on one.
It was good to get your call then and tonight
of course as well. Twenty two away from eight, a
couple on text. Muss's back Pinet, it's okay to be wrong.
You're not thinking of the bench. Jacobsen comes off, Artie
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moves to eight, then Dalton comes on at seven. You
can thank me later. You must well tell you how
I've done it, Just to give you a rapost to
your team. I've gone Fenale, papaali issavia as six, seven
and eight, and on the bench I've got Jacobson because
he can cover all three. That's the way I've gone
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for it. Here's the maths. Piney says this one. If
we win eleven out of fourteen, it's seventy eight point
five percent twelve out of fourteen is eighty five percent.
It sounds acceptable but tough. Anything above that would be
amazing after recent results. Thanks Barnesi. Yeah, if you say, okay,
we're going to win eighty five percent of our test matches,
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which I think historically it is about that, isn't it.
It's probably a little bit lower, but I think historically
the All Blacks have one between eighty and eighty five
percent of their test matches. So if you win eleven
out of fourteen and it's only seventy eight point five percent,
then is that a failure. I think you'd be hard
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pushed to say any team that won eleven out of
fourteen test matches was in any way of failure, But
I guess everybody can make their own judgment calls on that.
Of course, there's more to it than just the way
the scoreboard looks at the end of all of this.
There's also the way they play, whether they win comfortably,
whether they win playing attractive rugby, whether they make statements
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against the big teams. Imagine going to Alice Park and
then down to Cape Town and winning two Test matches
against South Africa in consecutive weekends in South Africa in
the statement that that would make just quickly Inside the
England camp, England and Northampton Saints fallback George Firbank, as
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part of the touring England party, headed a bit of
media today, talked about the togetherness of the squad.
Speaker 11 (31:01):
Yeah, and I think the more time he's been together,
the closer you become as a group. And obviously we've
had a full train week under our belt this week
without without game on the weekend, which is which just
helped us be very clear on our game plan going
to going to Saturday, and obviously this week and then
is about working on things to be able to go
and execute that come the weekend.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
George Fairbank on what he expects when they face the
or Bags.
Speaker 11 (31:22):
Yeah, I mean, obviously Scott Robinson coming in. He's an
incredible coach. He's won so much with the Crusaders, and
I imagine he's only although he's only had a short
space of time with the players, I imagine he's he's implementable.
He wants to implement, so they're they're very good. They're
a very good physical team and also an offloading team.
We like to keep the ball alive, so they've got threats.
They've got threats all around the park and some some
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incredible individuals as well, so it's going to be a
tough challenge for us.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
And finally from George Fairbank, are there any matchups in
particular he's looking forward to.
Speaker 11 (31:51):
Yeah, I mean Boden Barrats an obvious one, like he's
I grew up watching him and he's a bit of
an idol for me, so he's a big one. And
then probably the threats in their back free like like
you look at Caleb Clark, seb Ree Marks a Layer,
They're all just incredibly dangerous play with ball and hunt.
So yes, we know as a Bluck three we're going
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to keep them quiet to be able to stop that momentum.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
All right, so England have landed. They are basing themselves
in Auckland until I believe Wednesday could be, could be
tomorrow night. I know the All Blacks travel to Dunedin
tomorrow night. Right, here's my fifteen. I've sort of given
you bits and pieces of it. Here's the fifteen that
I think that Scott Robertson will pick for the first test.
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Not what I do, although it's probably pretty similar to
what i'd do. But this is what I think they
will go with de Groot, Taylor Lomax in the front row,
two we pilot To and Scott Barrett as the locks,
Summer Penny Fee now Dalton, Papaalii, Ardie Savia the loose forwards,
t J Pettanatta and Damien Mackenzie at half back in
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first five respectively, Jordi Barrett and Rico Jowanni in midfield,
Sevu Reese, Mark Deleaya and Bowden Barrett the back three
on the bench a more offered to Ulma Fussy and
Fletcher Newell. The front row reserves to Paul Vailli, Luke Jacobson,
Finlay Christi, Anton, Lennart Brown and Caleb Clark. That'll be
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the twenty three and that leaves out the debutantes George Bell, Pasilio, Tossi, Wallace, Stiti,
Cortes Latima and Billy Proctor, as well as Ethan Blackadder,
Imoni and Nadawah and Stephen Petafetta. So that's the team
I choose, and obviously it's you know, I think whoever
you pick, it's going to be pretty good. But as
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I said, I just get the feeling they might lean
on experience just to make sure they get off to
a good start. It's not as though they're playing against
a munno to start. England are a good team, you know,
they're coming off the back of a pretty convincing performance
against Japan on the way down. There are reasonable six nations.
But in England or England and then being here for
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a while, if they when was the last time they
were here? Who today? Was twenty fourteen? Is that right?
Has it been ten years since they were here? Tony
says Jason. No team went through unbeaten in the Rugby
World Cup, so it's acceptable to lose one mate, right Tony?
All right? So thirteen out of fourteen, then one thing
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I don't want to do is lose the bletter Slow Cup.
I'd be happy to lose a Test in South Africa
and one on that or two on that Northern tour,
provided we didn't lose both against the Wallabies. I can't
I really can't see it. Although Joe Schmidt, the Joe
Schmitt factor, he seems to have, he seems to have
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at least arrested the slide that was happening under Eddie Jones.
But remember that Australia have to win both of them
to take the Bleder Slow Cup off us for the
first time in what seems like forever. I just can't
see it happening. I can't see even if they managed
to win the first one in Sydney. I just I
really can't see them winning both. Final words from Scott
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Hansen before we take a break and move into the
power rankings for the weekend. As I said before, Scott
Hanson really impressed me today just with the way he
answered the questions that were posed to him on various matters.
And he was asked about the expectation on the All
Blacks and when, as a relatively new member to the environment,
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when he thought it would become apparent to him just
how big those expectations are.
Speaker 10 (35:35):
What we've spoken about and Anton spoke about it just
recently with the group around change. So there's been change
in the group, but there'll be two things that never change.
It's the blackness of the Jersey and the silver fern.
So the expectation around representing our people as a nation
is always there for the All Blacks and the players
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have made that really clear what they expect of each other.
Also they're excited to do that though, so in expectations, yes,
but thepect around that can be What about the excitement
to perform? And that's where Rays has taken.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
US seven forty five on new stalks, their beat, Take
a break, come back with Piney's Power Rankings for the weekend.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Good dadiswur rankings.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Monday night time for Piney's Power Rankings, rating the best,
the worst and everything in between from the Sporting Weekend
ten ten. The South African men's cricket team still completely
unable to win Cricket World Cups. Last ball, it's India.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
It's India win the T twenty World come after seventeen years.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
The drot is all the water choke from the Proteas.
They needed thirty from thirty balls with six wickets in
hand and still managed to lose by seven runs.
Speaker 8 (36:57):
Nine.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Speaking of failures, the defending champion Italian football team knocked
out of the Euros in the round of sixteen fuckers
that is a Swiss tournament. Very half a minute into.
Speaker 12 (37:12):
The second half and they have climbed most of the
mountain into the quarter finals.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Sheet eight is George Russell adding variety to formula one.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
George Russell, who has never even stood on the podium
here in Austria rounds. The final couple of corners will
launch itself.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
To the top of the rustroom.
Speaker 13 (37:35):
George Russell wins Dial Stream and Gradgrix.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Seven, staying in Europe at number seven. As Frenchmen on
the Tour de France and stage one.
Speaker 12 (37:44):
Two hundred and fifty meters to go, Roman barday Liks
and his teammates Now they just need to sprint.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
The penoton are a matter of a few meters by.
But it's a bar day plot faster Stage one first,
every yellow jersey for the Frenchman. The breakaway makes it
in stage two.
Speaker 10 (38:05):
It is a dream.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Debut in the Tour de France. France have two wins
in two days, a dream debut. Kevin Vauklan wins Stage two,
but two time champion Taday Bagacha ominously taking the leader's
yellow jersey after stage two six six of the all
white Sociannia Nations Cup champions, beating Vanuatu three, Nilan yesterday's
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final and the cups into.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
The goal well within the first two minutes. Camp who
is it? A dream start for New Zealand and shocked,
how is it boy?
Speaker 2 (38:43):
There was a scream at five fivers. Bowden Barrett very
cleverly sidestepping my question about which position he wants to
play for the All Blacks. What jersey are we looking
at him?
Speaker 9 (38:54):
Mate?
Speaker 2 (38:54):
That black one with a white collar on? Does if
you turn around there? What's the number on there? I
don't know what numbers on. I think it's a blank
fun happy teen, happy fifteen where you need We haven't
had those conversations. I bet you've had those conversations. I'm
going to say fifteen four four is Jude Bollingham rescuing
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England at the Euros this morning. Slovakia is so close
to her.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
Famous when I don't do the equaliser, Jude Birmingham's done it.
He's tied it under the bark right to the end
of the cab.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
England's gonna have to be a whole lot better, though,
to make it any further than the quarterfinals. Three three
the Warriors and that bounce back ability that's going to
get it done here at Mount Smarts Stadium. Man the
Warriors of bounce back in fat.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Fashion after the horror show on the Gold Coast to
take the two points here against the Brisbane broncoass thirty
two to sixteen.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
I don't think anybody's gone up and down Piney's power
rankings as much as the Warriors have in twenty twenty
four two. Back to the cricket and that catch from
India's Surakuma Yadav in the T twenty cricket Final.
Speaker 13 (40:09):
Why Monna gets it and he gets plenty of it.
I believe I've just seen athleticism.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
And it's very, very best.
Speaker 13 (40:22):
That's quite an incredible moment, folks.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
You won't believe what you've just seen.
Speaker 13 (40:29):
It is just the best piece of skill I think
I've ever.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Seen in the game of cricket. Absolutely tremendous catch. But
tonight number is Gaelic football and Gorway blowing the All
Island Senior Football Championship wide open with a remarkable come
from behind went overholders Dublin at Croke Park to secure
their spot in the semifinals and prompting one of the
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all time great pieces of commentary.
Speaker 12 (40:58):
God everyone, it's the grasses, Dad, the good photacy.
Speaker 13 (41:03):
It only two.
Speaker 12 (41:04):
Decades, bad woman, A child starts to applaud pay Joyce
and his color corn with it. Sweet brother of Jesus.
They have pulled off the untakable. Forget about Taylor Swift
shake it off with the aviva. I come over here
to talk pun because you're a witness. See the West
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away dallios a boom.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
It's usly tremendous from him and that that was when
they made the semis imagine if they win the whole thing.
Those are Party Power rankings for tonight four to eight.
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Just a couple of things too to mop up. The
All Blacks winning record is seventy six point seven seven
percent four hundred and eighty nine wins in their six
hundred and thirty seven test matches, so seventy seven. So
have they win elan out of fourteen? That beats their average?
Text from Hamish piney, what happens if we only win
eight or nine? Yes, maybe we have that conversation at
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the back end of the year, Hamish, if that actually
happens with your team? Says this one. What happens if
Boden Barrett, Damian McKenzie comes off injured, who's going to
play at first five or fullback? I think Stephen Pettifetta
needs to be in the reserves. Yeah, it's a good point.
I guess Jordi Barrett would be an option to play
at certainly at fullback if that came to pass. But
it's a good point that you make a very good point,
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and that brings to an end. Tonight's Sports Talk Marcus
Lush on your radio after eight o'clock to take you
through the rest of the first day of July. Huge
thanks to Ants Millisit for producing tonight, manning the phones, etc.
And thanks to you for listening. Darcy Watergrave back tomorrow
night between seven and eight I'm back on Weekend Sport
Live from tess City, Dunedin this coming Saturday between midday
and three on Weekend Sport and we'll mop it all
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up on Sunday as well. Looking forward to being in
Dunedin next weekend and excellent night and a great week
See a Saturday.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
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