July 9, 2024 • 41 mins
D'Arcy Waldegrave returns to recap an exciting day in the world of sports! Highlights for tonight include:
Bill Harrigan - Former Head of Refereeing for the NRL - On decisions that may have cost the Warriors their season?
Talkback - Should their be any compensation?
Greg Sheppard - President of the Te Anau Tennis Club - On their watch party for Lulu Sun's Quarter Final at Wimbledon.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Waldegrave
from News Talk zed B.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Good evening, Welcome when a sports talk Great to have
you all on board. It's Tuesday night, right ninth and
July twenty twenty four. It's tearing towards seven minutes after seven.
I'm Darcy Waldgrave. Welcome to tax paying method plenty coming
up in tonight's show, including a lot from you. I'd
like to think on oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty
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contector thoughts. The nineteen nine two that is z B
z B was broken last week. I think heralds Michael
Burgess got his hands on. It became official about six
minutes ago. The Warriors are off to Vegas and I
am just a devil with no not entirely sure if
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any of them I am going to get married at
that chapel, but I mean, hey, you never know, do you.
So it's done. They're off for a round zero before
they come back and do whatever they do. So if
your fans are going to Vegas for the weekend, that
is the weekend to go. When the wires take on
a medica. And on the subject of the wires like
(01:37):
that change you're a mix master. It's mix master Andy Duff.
On the decks. We're going to be talking with Bill
Harrigan shortly. Bill Harrigan arguably the best hair in the
league back in the day form a head a refereeing
in the NRL nineteen eighty six to two thousand and three.
That is a long time with the whistle. We're going
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to talk to him about that admission from NRL officials
that they got the calls wrong against the war could
a costume game? Could it cost them this season? Should
there be compensation or do you just have to sit
there and deal with it? Had it up as they say.
We'll talk with Bill about that. Then we'll take your calls.
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O one hundred and eighty ten eighty is an apology enough.
He's sit back when anizy go really sorry and go okay,
can here give us a cut?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Are we going to be fine?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
I'll wipe your nose for you. We'll take your calls
on that ridiculous call or lack thereof. And then later
on the piece we go to the president of the
Tiano Tennis Club. Yes there is one. His name is
Greg Shepherd. It's going to be a big night midnight tonight,
Luluson is going to take on the number. Something said
(02:57):
at Wimbledon that gets underweight just after midnight. I keep
on wanting to say sixty first, but I think it's thirtieth.
But we'll get there eventually. So Greg Shepherd joins us
to talk about what Lulu Soon did when she was
in Tiana, what players she was, what kind of lady
she is. So that's toward the end of the program.
(03:17):
Shortly though, Bill Harrigan before any of that, though, listen
to a whole lot of bit for today, as mentioning
in Sport Today the toast of New Zealand Tennis Lulu
Soon was Swiss not anymore. Tennis New Zealand. The chief executive,
Julie Patterson, gives some insight into Lulu's move to change
her allegiance.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
The support that she received from the New Zealand crowd,
the profile that she would have in New Zealand, And,
she has also said, the opportunity that she has to
be a role model for young tenna's players in this country.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
There's also the fact that England and Europe's probably on
its way downhill cataclysmically, and the last place you want
to be is in anywhere in Europe, so let's just
move over to New Zealand where we can hide. That's
my plan, no one else's or Black Lucy Luke Jacobson
would rather stay. Hey, but like anywhere is good, including
the bench. If there's a black jersey.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Involved, ideally you'd be starting. But just happy to be
part of the team and getting out there. You're right,
A good time to come on. I hope I enjoy
that and I'm trying to add influence at a crystal
time of the game.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Paul skuld shoot Amelia Warmsley has had a successful return
to the Courtney am Z Premiership. The knee had a
stern challenge but it stood tall.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
Yeah, that's pretty about out there tonight. It gave my
nea good run for its money. But yeah, so it's
all good on the Tankillers at the moment. That's definitely hopping,
but yet done. Lots of work with my rehab, working
with my physio and the rest of the team. So
yet made sure that when I went on there was
a good name.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
So the drugs did work. UFC competitor Israel Dulsign is
a bit tasty. The former middleweight strap holder wants a
stable mate Dan hang Man Hooker on his next card.
Speaker 7 (05:02):
It's atrocious. He's not even here right now.
Speaker 8 (05:04):
I try to get him to comment, but he needs
to be on this card. You'll fire anyone, so please,
if you want to see this kind get stacked even more,
put on the Hangman Hooker.
Speaker 7 (05:12):
And what sport today.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Eight minutes after seven, Bill Harrigan joins this now former
boss a refereeing for the Inn our long time with
the whistle in the metal beilt. Welcome to the show.
Thanks for joining it. I suppose in general, will start
off with your thoughts on the bunker. It hasn't been
a positive for the game.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Yeah, the video referee, which they now refer to obviously
as the Bunker, has been a big influence on the game,
and I think one that was necessary, and especially with
technology the way we've gone in society these days. And
the reason I say that, if you just think about
the wingers and how those wingers score tries these days
with their body is two inches off the ground outside
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of the touch line touching goldline, and somehow they still
get the ball down an inch or half an inch
inside the touching goal line. And if we didn't have
video replays, and the bunker did make decisions on that.
We go back to the old days of the referee
and the touch dudge, having our guests going with their
gut feel. Now, their gut feel was probably right eight
(06:19):
nine times out of ten, but now we can get
that one hundred percent if you on those those particular tries.
I know there's some of other tries where we look
at it and we shake our head and deep, how
come they didn't.
Speaker 7 (06:30):
Get that one right? But that's why we need it.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
And there are occasions sometimes where a referee will run
around and say, I've got no idea, help me out.
We show a couple of replays and there it is.
You can see the blade of grass, the ball touching
a blade of grass, and we get the try.
Speaker 7 (06:44):
That's why we need it.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Is it been overused and all that sort of thing.
Sometimes yes, I do. I think sometimes it's got too
much of an influence.
Speaker 7 (06:51):
On the game.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
But that's the way they've got they've taken the game.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
And finding a balance. We'll discuss that later. Let's go
to the issue currently. Annesley has come out and said, look,
we're really sorry that was unacceptable. That decision made by
the bunker wins Sammon hit to Marty Martin or about
four hours late, and it's smashed himself up, doesn't he.
Do you find that bizarre or astonishing that something so
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obvious was missed?
Speaker 7 (07:17):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
On the first point that it was missed, yes, I
think why was it missed? You'd have to get to
the bottom of that by obviously interviewing the people that
were in the bunker at the time, what was their discussion.
It would have been recorded so they could replay it
and then work out why they made that mistake. As
far as Graham coming out and saying, hey, look, we apologize,
weut that wrong, I think that's a healthy thing. I
don't think we should ever try and cover up when
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referees have made a mistake or a bunker's made a mistake.
We should be upfront and saying, you know what, we
got that one hundred percent wrong. It should have been
a penalty, and then we move on. What we can't
have is, and I'm maybe jumping ahead of a question here,
but when there is a mistake, we've just got to
wear it. We've got to cop it on the chin,
(08:02):
no matter how much it hurts. We've just got to
cop it on the chin. We can't say, okay, well
we've got to a replay or we've got to do
it again or something like that. That's just one of
those things in the game.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
So the apology itself, it's I suppose meaningless, isn't it.
It's just words, nothing else because nothing can be done.
You don't want to see it wound back. If there
was an ideal world, what happens with such an egregious
eraror like that, what has to happen.
Speaker 7 (08:27):
So it is only words.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
But I think that those words are better than an
excuse or trying to cover it up by saying something
else happened and we look at this issue instead of
that issue.
Speaker 7 (08:40):
I think the apology.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Is better coming out and saying, yeah, we got that wrong,
but we can't do something about it.
Speaker 7 (08:47):
We can't go back and say, well, let's have a replay,
let's do something.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Else, because so many other things happen in that eighty
minutes that could also change the course of the game,
not just that one decision. Yes, it might have been
at a time in the game where we think, wow,
that's only four minutes to goo or five minutes ago
that's got.
Speaker 7 (09:04):
A major impact.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yes, it might have a bigger impact happening then, but
also something that happened in the first half, just before halftime,
or in the the fifteenth minute could have happened that
could have changed the game just as much. So everything
that happened after that fifteenth minute doesn't happen because instead
of saying it being a kickoff, it could have been
a penalty and the team's going the other way that,
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which means everything else that happens after that is different
to what we've seen in the game, because every little
thing that happens in the game changes the course of
the game. I'll give you a quick example, and this
is on a real basic level. I'm referring a game
of oztag the other night. It was a Grand final.
It was three all A kick went through and it
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was a late tag and I awarded to try and
a player come over me and said, Bill, I think
that was only on the third tag. You can't kick
the ball to after the fourth tag. And I looked
at him and said that was on the fourth tag.
And I went back later on video footage showed it
was only the third tag. I got it wrong, and
the player texted me and said, when can we have
the replay?
Speaker 7 (10:06):
Bill?
Speaker 3 (10:06):
And I said, I've never seen a replay based on
a refereeing decision that was wrong, and nor will I,
and I wouldn't even consider it until you show me
the perfect game of tag played by the players, so
there is no mistakes, no drop balls, no forward passes,
and then I might even consider it, because that'll never happen.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Everybody has got issues, everyone was vulnerable, everybody makes mistakes,
is what you're heading at there. We're joined by Bill
Harrigan form my NRL referees. We look at the lack
of decision made over the weekend before the Bulldogs and
the Warriors. I think what you're touching on before, Bill
was a recency bias. It just happened. We saw at
the games hanging in the balance, and you can't attach
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what happened in the not so distance pass to what
may have happened earlier on the piece. It's got to
be even across the board, doesn't it.
Speaker 7 (10:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yeah, And the one thing that I'm comfortable with, even
though there are mistakes made, and sometimes I'm moving sitting
at home.
Speaker 7 (11:04):
Maybe having a beer or a glass of red one
looking at the Oh, come on, how did you get
that wrong? Or hurry up and make a decision.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
There's one thing I know about all those referees and
people in the bunker, not one of them is going
in there with the idea that they're going to make
a mistake.
Speaker 7 (11:16):
They're all going in there to do the best job.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
That they can and come out one hundred percent on
top of all the decisions. But we know, because we
are human, that we're just going to stuff up, and
it's only until we look back on it.
Speaker 7 (11:28):
That we go, you know what, I made a mistake there.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
We've all done it, We'll all keep doing it, and
we've just got to accept that that's part of the game,
as much as it hurts.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
What about a situation bill where a season hangs on
a decision like that and we know the import of
getting into the top eight if the decision really does
blow the team's chance, Is there any form of compensation
that can maybe be looked at? Is there any way
of saying just saying more than you're sorry if it's
such a critical juncture of the season where the error
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is made.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
No, No, I couldn't go along with that, because if
you did that you'd open up some massive can of
worms where everybody would be coming in and saying, well,
look at that.
Speaker 7 (12:09):
We need compensation for that. We need to be we're
going to get someone's sort of response.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
And that could have cost us sponsors, that could have
cost us money for winning the competence. You need to
pay us back. That could never happen, and if it does,
that'll ruin the game.
Speaker 7 (12:22):
It's all over.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
In any sport, it just can't happen. So it's one
of those things. And then again, if you went back
and had to look at another game which might have
been close, but the Warriors or the Storm or the
Tigers were in and something happened, and you go back
and say, well, look at that one, that decision there
could have cost you, and that happened in round four.
Speaker 7 (12:41):
Five, six.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Every decision, every game has an impact on your standing
in the competition, and we just can't go back and
look at situations like that.
Speaker 7 (12:50):
You've just got to be one of those.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Things where you're copp it on the chin and accept
it and go well, that's sport.
Speaker 7 (12:56):
That's human error, and that's sport.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
And as long as you know it's a human error
and there's nothing in there that was in just then
you get on with it. And when I say that,
you would hate to think that someone did something on purpose.
But other than that, it's just a human error and
we just got to cop it on the chin.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Well, the All Black fans copped on the chin when
they went back four phases against the rule book and
it almost took well, it did take the World CP office,
but that's another story in rugby. Hey, do you think fans,
Bill Harrigan and the media take this more personally than
the players themselves do? They're much easier at processing this
and copping it on the chin, as you.
Speaker 7 (13:33):
Said, Yeah, and they do.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
And that's why I think I'm probably the way I
am as a referee too. I've gone out there and
I've made mistakes. I hate saying that. The Yeah, I
have made mistakes, But when you do go out there
and you make a mistake, and you know it's you
didn't go out there on purpose.
Speaker 7 (13:49):
You went out there.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
And you saw something and you made a decisions very quickly.
And the players are the same, and the players know
that they make mistakes. They drop balls, they mistackles, which
leads to tries and upsetting the result of the game
and that sort of thing, and we wear it because
we know that's the sport.
Speaker 7 (14:05):
The fans are so passionate.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
They spend their money to go to watch the game,
they buy the jerseys, they're eating the food at the grounds.
Speaker 7 (14:12):
And all that sort of thing, so it's costing them dollars.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
And then they see something that happens to their team
and it affects the result, and after the input that
they've got in their time support passion and financially, they
don't accept it as well. And that's understandable too. That's
acceptable to me.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Bill Harrigan joins the program. Few are the things to
discuss if you don't mind, Bill, and thanks so much
for joining us. I don't know about you, but personally,
and this was during Golden Point, the Golden Point drives
me insane. It is possibly one of the most artificial
adjustments to the game we've seen, because all in tens
and purposes, if you go through that time and it's
(14:53):
even anyway, I just see it as being a danger
to players and their health. I don't get why people
are buying into this. What about you?
Speaker 3 (15:02):
I'm the same. I've never liked it. I don't like,
we've got to have it when we get to a door.
So in other words, semifinals, grand finals, you have to
have a winner, you have to have a loser, so
you've got to have a result. I get that, no problem.
Speaker 7 (15:13):
But when you've.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Got the round games twenty six, you're playing twenty five
twenty four to twenty five twenty six rounds of footy,
you don't need the result in that game. When you
could give one point each, you don't have to play
extra time in that you've said, because they're going to
play again next week, they busted their guts for eighty minutes.
Speaker 7 (15:34):
Give them one point each.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
And what you'll do is, that's if they adopted that rule,
what you would then do in the last five or
six minutes of a game.
Speaker 7 (15:43):
It would become golden.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Point because both sides would be thinking, right, the clock's ticking,
we've got to score the field goal. Let's get it done.
But they're getting it done within the eighty minutes, and
I think that's what we should stick to. And then
when we get to the semifinals, that's when we start saying,
right now, we have to have extra time because we
do have to get a result, someone has to go
through the next week, someone has to sit down.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
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Speaker 2 (16:15):
It be it was Bill Harrogan, my bad there. Of
course it didn't happened to during Golden Point. It happened beforehand.
But I think the idea is still there about the
ridiculous notion of this artificial construct that is Golden Point.
So be it as far as the issue. But is
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an apology from the NRL enough? Is it just meaningless?
Bill said? It's not means, it's words. It's still a
representation of a Look, we got it wrong. What else
are we supposed to do? We can apologize. That's all
we can do. I suppose that's better than nothing. I
suppose what it comes back to is this is tempering
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our expectations when it comes to the ability of the
refereeing group, be it the bunker or be them on
the park, and it's quite a difficult thing to do.
I don't believe that referees have got it in for
the worries. There might be some form of unconscious bias,
but I still struggle with that one. We go back
(17:20):
to Handling's Raiser. One of my favorite thought processes, and
it's based around the concept is that people aren't mean,
They're just stupid. They didn't mean to do that. I
don't think it was a deliberate act against the warriors.
It was missed because they're human beings. So the case
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for me of tempering your expectations, I think it's so
so important, and this is reflected in literature and everything
else throughout the world. You expect too much, are always
going to be disappointed, and we expect these guys to
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get it right one hundred percent of the time. It's
not going to happen. It's not malice. It's just a
bit thick, and I can accept that. I am accepting that.
I'm not pointing a finger and yelling, hey, that's football
for you. It's the way it goes. Move on, What
about you? You with me on that one? Are you
willing to actually leave that to one side? Get over
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that bridge and go choose what happens. I'm moving forward.
Let me know. Twenty five past seven. This is sports
Talk on that News Talks EB. It's Tuesday, the ninth
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in situations like the mist call and the bunker and
the wires against the Bulldogs as an apology from the
NRL enough it was just meaningless. What else can they do?
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What more do you want to? John? How are you? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (19:34):
Good?
Speaker 7 (19:34):
Bad?
Speaker 10 (19:35):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
You're not so bad?
Speaker 10 (19:37):
That's a story.
Speaker 7 (19:38):
Hey.
Speaker 10 (19:38):
I was just listening to H. T. Bill here and
I was just when he was saying, you know, it
all comes down to you know, people make mistakes and
human era and so on. I was thinking, well, surely
the banker and the TMO, with all the technology, it
was all about trying to reduce that human era. And
(20:03):
if that's not going to be the case, then why
don't we go back to the referees court. Just seems
to me that you know, he's sort of saying that
we're never going to get it right. But I thought
the whole idea of this extra technology was to reduce
that sort of number of amount of human.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Era possibly, John. The situation is is because we've become
so forensic when we look back at these situations, and
there are so many opportunities to take a look at
the tape that when one does turn up, that's an
absolute how it has really highlighted, it really shines because
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we really see that. But across the board we don't
see it as much anymore. It's just the size and
the shock of the ones we do see suggest that
maybe we should just go back to the human era.
Speaker 10 (20:59):
Yeah no, no, I agree mate. I mean it just
seems that there's so many cameras, so much technology, you
should be able to get it down to the margin
below the margin of era. But that doesn't actually seem
to be the case.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
So I think the problem is when you go to
human involved, John, that's where the problem is. The technology
is fine, it's the human overseeing the technology that's the problem.
Speaker 10 (21:24):
Right, Yeah, no, absolutely, mate, Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
With So we might just have to have an AI
guy taking a look.
Speaker 10 (21:33):
Here we go leave it the computers.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
There you go. That's good. Just just run the numbers.
We'll be fine. Just set from the computer and see
what happens. In fact, put all the players in the
computer hit the scramble go button. I'll give you a
result in ten seconds. Just wait for it. And the
Warriors of One. Congratulations. That was fun, wasn't it. Hi, Simon.
Speaker 11 (21:54):
Body, how are you?
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, not so bad.
Speaker 8 (21:57):
Yeah, it was just you know, thinking when you were
talking with the build here and you know what a
neat refu was back in the day. You've done some
blind blinder calls too, But it was just like we
saw it all happen in real time at the pub,
and then when there late it happened, all of us said, oh,
there'll be an apology. There's a bit of a joke,
but it really And then then it came out, you know,
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for an apology. But if the Panthers were to do
that in the dying minutes or of another team, which
always seems to be I think I've been griping eighteen
years on the on the phone with it, just about
the rough calls and the and the head highs and
off the ball, you know, raking of the faces and
all that, and we just seem to be the humble
Kiwi you know, just play how we play. But we
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don't really have the grubs of the game as such.
But when you when you're watching it and you're surrounded
by twenty other totally different people that were more interested
in All Blacks game, and I think missing the Hucker
upset a few people, but but we saw had the
same passion in that. But for us to think, I'll
here we go, We're just going to get an apology,
but it happens all the time and off the ball
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kind of stuff.
Speaker 7 (23:00):
You know.
Speaker 8 (23:01):
You see the guys with their podcasts and stuff now
and they're analyzing everything and then they're doing a bit
of job the people that are getting paid thousands of
dollars an hour.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
So the numbers game would be fascinating when simon, if
you could somehow through AI super tech whatever go right,
how many teams have suffered so many injustices at the
hands of the judiciary, at the hands of the bunker,
and then run those numbers and see if it's a
bias from our point of view, because it's our team.
(23:28):
It's the only team in the NRAL that's our so
we focus on that or there is an unconscious, unconscious bias.
It's really hard to establish, isn't it. You don't know
from our wives we go what are you doing?
Speaker 8 (23:40):
But even we're talking like even cross cross codes, like
you know, some people that can't stand league were.
Speaker 11 (23:47):
What the heck?
Speaker 8 (23:50):
That's not on? You know, even in rugby it would
have been off. Mate.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
It does seem to me, Simon, and we've got to
fly plenty of calls on Thanks for a much your
call to me. It's not it's not cheating, it's it
can't be. It was so obvious that it was just
a horrible, horrible mistake. Here's Graham Annesley.
Speaker 12 (24:08):
The real question here is should this have been penalized
on fuel? And the answer to that is clearly yes
it should have been, not because it was high, but
because it was late and I know this was a
critical time of the game. The bunker did review the incident,
(24:28):
but now then it didn't give due regard to the
issue of lateness. So we think this is a miss
by the match officials and it's unacceptable.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
How many officials are in there by the way, maybe
one you go year two or three or four, e
I've got a text and is before we get to
our phone calls lines are open eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty what of Statistically, the NRL have apologized to
the Warriors more than any other team in the last
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twenty nine years. Any wouldn't be surprised. Hey, Nico, how
are you good?
Speaker 7 (25:06):
Evening?
Speaker 13 (25:07):
Dar?
Speaker 11 (25:07):
I find yourself yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Very very happy. What's on your mind?
Speaker 11 (25:11):
Garcia? I'm just looking at you know, players versus reads.
When a player makes a mistake, he misses a few games,
he gets penalized. They even sometimes gets financially fine. Nothing
happens to the reefs when they get it wrong. Maybe
this should be a ref.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
They stood down, they get moved, they go to lower grades,
they don't go without. I don't think they ever get
the book thrown at them fiscally though, Nico, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 11 (25:37):
They don't. And they also don't get financially penalized, because
I'm sure there's quite a few bucks in a reffing
a top class game like the NRLs and when it
comes to the quarters and the finals and the sidneys,
but they don't get financially disadvantaged. Maybe they should. And
even I hate saying this, even go as fas as
(25:58):
most probably check the financial status and see if there
was no bipeps or buy ins or niko.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
It's a bit heavy, isn't it. I don't think into
that stage. As I said, we go back to that
theory that razor. This is not malicious, this is just dumb.
I'm interested in the idea about finding the refs. I
think the trouble is is that referees are so hard
to find anyway. It's such a horrible space to be in.
And I really feel for all referees. If you drag
(26:27):
them over the coals and start finding them, if they
make human errors, you're gonna have no one left referee.
You've got to think that way.
Speaker 11 (26:35):
Darcing, just a quick one. I know you've got heaps
of course waiting, but yeah, you get dumb, and you
get really really dumb, which makes you being suspect of.
Speaker 7 (26:45):
Hell.
Speaker 11 (26:45):
I mean that thing went to a bunker and it
was still overruled. Then you start thinking you said a
malicious intent in all of us.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I don't think there is. I mean you might, but
I a Nika, thanks very much for your call it
where your head is at for situations like this, how
you consider what your expectations are. You've got to lower them.
That's the only way you're going to suffice. Because people
make errors, they make stupid errors, and you feel like
(27:17):
you've been personally attacked, but you haven't. It's a Sylvia
plathor writer along the lines. If you never expect anything
from anybody, you're never going to be disappointed. So expect
nothing and let it wash over you. You know, really
you can't control it. You're gonna have a bit of
(27:40):
a winge and a moan and stamp your feet and
is what it is?
Speaker 7 (27:43):
Right?
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (27:44):
I hate saying that.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Just the seventy thirty six sports talker's news talks eb
lines are open. Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the apology enough from the NRL? Do you
want more? And what? How can you make up for
something like that? We have to be strong. You have
to sit stoically and work through. It will be okay
because this news talks there.
Speaker 14 (28:05):
B singing I want some ride over into chrome, A
lot of six down PC eight.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I'm worried about both players.
Speaker 13 (28:23):
Well, there may be a case to answer here. The
all have been passed, but it's hard a right kill us.
He has past that well truly before.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Oh gee, well, well the buck is clearer, and said.
Speaker 13 (28:38):
Okay, I don't understand how that's clear, both players grabbing
their face.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Salmon has looks like you may have lost.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Two as his whole draw for jovib seven.
Speaker 7 (28:47):
So how is that clear?
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Oh I can't, I can't explain it. Yeah, well they
said it, didn't they right there on the spot. I
think the bigger crime here is people calling him to
Mary Martin drives me nuts. It's the matey. It's not
that hard. But that's okay, Bigga. First to Fry, I
like this text very much, Darcy, why don't we bunker
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the bunker? So we get awarded two points by the
NRL the dogs keep their points. List goes on, So
we have a bunker, a bunker, and a bunker bunker.
You have a whole skyscraper of bunkers. Takes an hour
to get through them all. I like that point, though.
Gooday Lyle, how are you?
Speaker 7 (29:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (29:29):
Not too bad. I'm going to break it down really
simple or just the I said, because I'm a simple person.
They watched that tackle, according to Graham Annesty, and they
concentrated on whether or not it was a high tackle.
I thought it was marginal, right, but there was only
one tackle. They looked good it enough to see that
or good side. It wasn't high. It's the same tackle,
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but they were not able to see that.
Speaker 7 (29:53):
It was late.
Speaker 9 (29:55):
So you know, with all due respects, Harold and I
liked them as a referee, tolerated name bullshit. Sorry about that,
but not everyone that works in that industry capable as
he was. There was one or two things. Whoever was
in the bunker. They were either incompetent or they were biased,
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end of story. You know, we all make mistakes. But
you looked at the one tackle. You could see that. Okay,
you decided it wasn't a high tackle, but it's the
same tackle, and you could not see that. He arrived
two weeks late.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
It's back to my old complaint guy, though, isn't it.
You have one job. Courier companies losing packages, prisoner's breaking
out of jay, You've got one job keep them in there.
Speaker 7 (30:40):
It's this.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
You've got one job determine whether it's against the law
or not. How many sets of iSER in that bunker.
So I'd say incompetence. I don't think it's malice.
Speaker 9 (30:50):
Oh yeah, look one of your sister radio stations over there.
Somebody I was told today Will wanted to talk about
cases done. The number crunching and the marginal calls that
go against the warriors is well out of proportion. Look, Harrogan,
you know he says with sincerity that no one does
this and no one does that. Well, Bill, you don't
(31:14):
know them all, and there's a lot more people involved
in it. So whilst I think the man sincere, he
can't vouch for all of them. So no, it's antlessly
you're coming up with an excuse. Although concentrating on whether
it was I drive a truck up and down the
M one between the Gold Coast and Brisbane picking up
(31:35):
slabs of stone I mentioned if I already tied down
one side of the truck. Oh, but I've concentrated on that.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Boss nicely put, and then you make that decision wrong people,
die Lyle, thanks very much for your call. Seven and
forty three. Let's move on to Craig. Good evening, Good evening.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
How's it going this evening?
Speaker 2 (31:53):
They're not bad? What do you think?
Speaker 8 (31:56):
I don't really follow much for it, so bear with
me because I'm probably.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Englerant I'm bearing. Sorry, I'm bearing.
Speaker 8 (32:03):
Okay, Yeah, I like I think that you really have
to take the apology forward. It was, yes, they made
a mistake. I mean, as you say, he runs human
all that sort of stuff. But I was quite amazed
with people bring it up and saying they should be
doing better and apology is not good enough. And you think, well,
out of all those people that did that, how many
you then could put a hand on heart that they've
never made a stuff up in the entire life. I mean,
(32:24):
if you made stuff up to yourself, you know, you
know what it's like. But you know, technology is like
one of those things. But when they brought CDs out,
they thought they were the end of the world and
they basically fell over and everyone thought, oh yeah, social
media is great, and they look at it to it
after a while. So, I mean technology does have inherent
problems with it in the end, really doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Well, I'll go back to what I said before. The
technology is fine. It's who's reviewing the technology, which is
the human. It's the meat sack, and that's where the
problem comes. If you can give everybody all of the
tools they need, but if they're incapable of operating the tools.
Speaker 15 (33:00):
It doesn't last thing.
Speaker 8 (33:03):
You want to have like a fleet of drones flowing
around with AI and there's no referees, so where it's
all done by computer and yeah, then it takes all
the humanity out of things.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
And then it's well, yeah, it's a huge part of
it because sport is about humans. It's about human interaction.
It's about the frailty to the human kind. It's about
their mental strength collapsing under undue pressure, and that's why
you get victories and defeats. And if you take that away,
like I said before, Craig, you run all the numbers
(33:31):
of all the athletes and their physicality and their size DOTA,
and you run them all through a machine and then
you pop print out out ten seconds later and it
says the warrior is won. There you go, you're happy. No,
we don't want that, No, you.
Speaker 8 (33:43):
Want to see the contest and all that. And then
I define it amusing how a lot of the fans
are so upset about it, and you think, well, at
the end of the day, the way I look at
it as the players are the ones who have done
the hard graft, done all the trained all that, and
if they can go oh, they rub it off and
go yeah, it's just what happens at Heavens type thing
and get over it. But then you get the fans
really going on and on about it. It's like, well,
(34:05):
at the end of the day, you see bought ticket,
maybe had some overpriced chuts, but you haven't done the
hard mahi to get the weather. Those that if the
issue players themselves can get over it any sort of thing,
well maybe they need to get over it as well
as a fan possibly.
Speaker 7 (34:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Really hard thing to say, craigid, thank you very much,
because telling a sports fan to get over it because
they have no control is insane because that's not the
passion that is elicited from sport. They people buy so
heavily into it. When something goes against them, they rage
at it. And that's part of why people engage in
(34:40):
sport because of the passion side of it. I can
sit back here, just passionately and say there's nothing you
can do about it, so don't worry about it, just
let it go, put it down, walk away, And then
people would accuse you of not being a fan and
not being invested enough in the game, and so on
and so forth. It does make for interesting conversation. I'll
(35:02):
go back to that quote before. If you expect nothing
from any body, you're never disappointed. It's like, ah, yep,
humans being humans.
Speaker 11 (35:12):
There it is.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
The good, the bad, the ugly and the indifferent. It's
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talk a bit of tennis. That's the good news story
of the week, Isn't it got to love this? The
president of tennis club, Greg Shepherd joins us to talk
about Lulu Sun ahead of her quarterfinal yr quarterfinal tonight
at Wimbledon. Things get underway just after midnight, but Greg
(35:56):
joins us next here on News Talks EB I'm joined
now in the program by one of the happiest men
in the South find and his name is Greg Shepherd.
Greg is the president of the Tiano Tennis Club. Greg,
(36:20):
welcome to the program. You can't stop smiling, can you?
Speaker 7 (36:24):
Mate? How did you know? You know?
Speaker 15 (36:26):
S grinning away as we speak. This is a big
deal for us down here in the Deep South. We
were excited, and we were excited from startle last week,
and I reckon we'll still be excited at the end
of this week. We've got Lulu. She's on fire, and
I don't think she's finished it even I think she's
just going from strength to strength, which is exciting.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
She is an extraordinary character, predominantly because no one knew
who she was. This turned up out of nowhere. Unless
you're a hard core tennis geek, you would have a
clue who Lulu Son is. So fill us on the
deep say you know she was born and grew up
for a while in your neck of the woods. Involved
her engagement with Tiano is a very big.
Speaker 7 (37:06):
You.
Speaker 15 (37:06):
No, it wasn't really no, So we never saw her
for the first five years, and then she obviously she
went overseas and did all her tennis training and schooling
and stuff like that. And then was when she turned
about thirteen we first sort of touch base and she
was looking for hitting partners at that time because she
was obviously trying to produce her tennis career, and we
used to seeing their top male tennis players her way,
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and she would just beat them one after the other,
no worries at all. So and then each year when
she comes home on holiday, she would she would get
in touch with us and just ask if we could
provide some hitting partners and would offer her courts up
for use for to train on and that sort of
Hell we've rolled for the last ten or so years.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Did you have a suspicion that she might actually capitalize
on all that time playing out the back and tiano
on her holidays. Did she looked like someone who's going
to do something in the game.
Speaker 15 (37:59):
Greeg, you're did right. She looked like a tennis player
that I hadn't seen before.
Speaker 7 (38:03):
The power.
Speaker 15 (38:04):
She just even like thirteen, She was just like a
top male player at the time. He went out there
to player and she was thirteen years old and she
had a ball on him. He was coming up to
net and it clean knocked the racket out of his hand.
Was He's like, oh, I'm going to put in some
effort here when he tried that and she still whipped them.
So no, we knew at that point that there was
(38:25):
there was something special going on there.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
What about mental fortitude?
Speaker 7 (38:27):
Do you look.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
I suppose we're talking about the qualifiers off here before,
but the first two games coming back from a set
down that I think shows a maturity beyond her years,
the ability to not panic follow process.
Speaker 15 (38:43):
No, I know, you look at her and she's just
it's like she's been doing it for one hundred years.
She's just as cool as a cucumber. Nothing looks to
phase it. She might duff the odd shot, but that's
part of her game. She plays a high risk game,
which is obviously effective. But if she misses one, she
doesn't get all tangled up and smash a racket and
all that sort of jazz. She just sits down, focuses
(39:04):
and gets on with the new I'd.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Suggest Tiano hasn't had this much attention in quite some time.
What what's it like? Is there a lot of media
ringing through that, a little of the hubbub on the
street about Lulu and what she's providing so far.
Speaker 15 (39:18):
Yeah, No, this is I tell you what the start
of last week. This is not what I had planned
for this week.
Speaker 7 (39:22):
I tell you, my.
Speaker 15 (39:23):
Phone's been ringing in red hot and I feel like
we are the most famous tennis club in the world
at the moment, it just seems it's just gone berserk.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
What are your facilities, like, Greg, because I think he
might be a lean on someone in New Zealand sport
to go. Listen, you know, we've got an episen to here.
Help me out. Have you got a half decent court
down there?
Speaker 7 (39:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 15 (39:42):
Well, I'm looking down on a cinder court here at
the moment. And then someone pointed out before that we've
actually got someone playing in the quarter finals of Wimbledon
and the men's draw that actually played on this very
court here. Lorenzo Musetti, he played in the We had
an international tournament here in twenty nineteen and he played
in this. He was a number one junior in the
world at the time and he played in that it
(40:03):
of tournament. And then we've had Mike Venus he played
on the court too, and he's going good and he's
still in Wimbledon, and he played Cameron Nourri as well,
who's out of Wimbledon now, but he was there. So
we like to think we launched careers down here.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Something in the water working very very well. What's the
queue of partners like now, there'd be a lot of
people signing on the dotted line and say, yeah, I'll
hit a board Lula next time she's here. It'd probably
go right around the corner to Queenstown, wouldn't it.
Speaker 15 (40:31):
Yeah, No, there'll be a queue up. We're hoping she
comes back to visit when she's here, Well, hopefully she
comes back at Christmas time. She sort of that seems
to be a time of the year when she does
come back. That's a that must be the quiet time
and the and the tennis careers calendars. So we're hoping
she comes back. And yes, for sure, there's I'm looking
at there's I'll she just coughts. At the moment, there's
a group of five kids getting coached out there at
(40:52):
the moment, and I'm sure they would love to have
a hit with Lulu, maybe get a signature or two.
I'll be lining up for a.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Signature, understandably. And are you going to try and do
anything with the fame that she's got to be able
to cap it this? Or is this not the way
in tian No, it's not.
Speaker 15 (41:09):
Hell we roll, I don't think. No, we'll just enjoy
it while it's last, and then we'll take a break
and we'll hopefully do it all again when the US
Open rolls around.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Look at that well, mark me down, billet me. I'm
coming down for the party. It sounds fantastic. Greg Shepherd,
he is the Tiano Tennis Club President. Thank you for
your time and your huge smile. I can sense it
from the other end of the country. Mate, love your work.
Speaker 15 (41:33):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
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July twenty twenty four. It's tearing towards seven minutes after seven.
I'm Darcy Waldgrave. Welcome to tax paying method plenty coming
up in tonight's show, including a lot from you. I'd
like to think on oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty
(00:53):
contector thoughts. The nineteen nine two that is z B
z B was broken last week. I think heralds Michael
Burgess got his hands on. It became official about six
minutes ago. The Warriors are off to Vegas and I
am just a devil with no not entirely sure if
(01:15):
any of them I am going to get married at
that chapel, but I mean, hey, you never know, do you.
So it's done. They're off for a round zero before
they come back and do whatever they do. So if
your fans are going to Vegas for the weekend, that
is the weekend to go. When the wires take on
a medica. And on the subject of the wires like
(01:37):
that change you're a mix master. It's mix master Andy Duff.
On the decks. We're going to be talking with Bill
Harrigan shortly. Bill Harrigan arguably the best hair in the
league back in the day form a head a refereeing
in the NRL nineteen eighty six to two thousand and three.
That is a long time with the whistle. We're going
(01:58):
to talk to him about that admission from NRL officials
that they got the calls wrong against the war could
a costume game? Could it cost them this season? Should
there be compensation or do you just have to sit
there and deal with it? Had it up as they say.
We'll talk with Bill about that. Then we'll take your calls.
(02:18):
O one hundred and eighty ten eighty is an apology enough.
He's sit back when anizy go really sorry and go okay,
can here give us a cut?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Are we going to be fine?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
I'll wipe your nose for you. We'll take your calls
on that ridiculous call or lack thereof. And then later
on the piece we go to the president of the
Tiano Tennis Club. Yes there is one. His name is
Greg Shepherd. It's going to be a big night midnight tonight,
Luluson is going to take on the number. Something said
(02:57):
at Wimbledon that gets underweight just after midnight. I keep
on wanting to say sixty first, but I think it's thirtieth.
But we'll get there eventually. So Greg Shepherd joins us
to talk about what Lulu Soon did when she was
in Tiana, what players she was, what kind of lady
she is. So that's toward the end of the program.
(03:17):
Shortly though, Bill Harrigan before any of that, though, listen
to a whole lot of bit for today, as mentioning
in Sport Today the toast of New Zealand Tennis Lulu
Soon was Swiss not anymore. Tennis New Zealand. The chief executive,
Julie Patterson, gives some insight into Lulu's move to change
her allegiance.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
The support that she received from the New Zealand crowd,
the profile that she would have in New Zealand, And,
she has also said, the opportunity that she has to
be a role model for young tenna's players in this country.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
There's also the fact that England and Europe's probably on
its way downhill cataclysmically, and the last place you want
to be is in anywhere in Europe, so let's just
move over to New Zealand where we can hide. That's
my plan, no one else's or Black Lucy Luke Jacobson
would rather stay. Hey, but like anywhere is good, including
the bench. If there's a black jersey.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Involved, ideally you'd be starting. But just happy to be
part of the team and getting out there. You're right,
A good time to come on. I hope I enjoy
that and I'm trying to add influence at a crystal
time of the game.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Paul skuld shoot Amelia Warmsley has had a successful return
to the Courtney am Z Premiership. The knee had a
stern challenge but it stood tall.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
Yeah, that's pretty about out there tonight. It gave my
nea good run for its money. But yeah, so it's
all good on the Tankillers at the moment. That's definitely hopping,
but yet done. Lots of work with my rehab, working
with my physio and the rest of the team. So
yet made sure that when I went on there was
a good name.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
So the drugs did work. UFC competitor Israel Dulsign is
a bit tasty. The former middleweight strap holder wants a
stable mate Dan hang Man Hooker on his next card.
Speaker 7 (05:02):
It's atrocious. He's not even here right now.
Speaker 8 (05:04):
I try to get him to comment, but he needs
to be on this card. You'll fire anyone, so please,
if you want to see this kind get stacked even more,
put on the Hangman Hooker.
Speaker 7 (05:12):
And what sport today.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Eight minutes after seven, Bill Harrigan joins this now former
boss a refereeing for the Inn our long time with
the whistle in the metal beilt. Welcome to the show.
Thanks for joining it. I suppose in general, will start
off with your thoughts on the bunker. It hasn't been
a positive for the game.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Yeah, the video referee, which they now refer to obviously
as the Bunker, has been a big influence on the game,
and I think one that was necessary, and especially with
technology the way we've gone in society these days. And
the reason I say that, if you just think about
the wingers and how those wingers score tries these days
with their body is two inches off the ground outside
(05:57):
of the touch line touching goldline, and somehow they still
get the ball down an inch or half an inch
inside the touching goal line. And if we didn't have
video replays, and the bunker did make decisions on that.
We go back to the old days of the referee
and the touch dudge, having our guests going with their
gut feel. Now, their gut feel was probably right eight
(06:19):
nine times out of ten, but now we can get
that one hundred percent if you on those those particular tries.
I know there's some of other tries where we look
at it and we shake our head and deep, how
come they didn't.
Speaker 7 (06:30):
Get that one right? But that's why we need it.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
And there are occasions sometimes where a referee will run
around and say, I've got no idea, help me out.
We show a couple of replays and there it is.
You can see the blade of grass, the ball touching
a blade of grass, and we get the try.
Speaker 7 (06:44):
That's why we need it.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Is it been overused and all that sort of thing.
Sometimes yes, I do. I think sometimes it's got too
much of an influence.
Speaker 7 (06:51):
On the game.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
But that's the way they've got they've taken the game.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
And finding a balance. We'll discuss that later. Let's go
to the issue currently. Annesley has come out and said, look,
we're really sorry that was unacceptable. That decision made by
the bunker wins Sammon hit to Marty Martin or about
four hours late, and it's smashed himself up, doesn't he.
Do you find that bizarre or astonishing that something so
(07:15):
obvious was missed?
Speaker 7 (07:17):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
On the first point that it was missed, yes, I
think why was it missed? You'd have to get to
the bottom of that by obviously interviewing the people that
were in the bunker at the time, what was their discussion.
It would have been recorded so they could replay it
and then work out why they made that mistake. As
far as Graham coming out and saying, hey, look, we apologize,
weut that wrong, I think that's a healthy thing. I
don't think we should ever try and cover up when
(07:40):
referees have made a mistake or a bunker's made a mistake.
We should be upfront and saying, you know what, we
got that one hundred percent wrong. It should have been
a penalty, and then we move on. What we can't
have is, and I'm maybe jumping ahead of a question here,
but when there is a mistake, we've just got to
wear it. We've got to cop it on the chin,
(08:02):
no matter how much it hurts. We've just got to
cop it on the chin. We can't say, okay, well
we've got to a replay or we've got to do
it again or something like that. That's just one of
those things in the game.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
So the apology itself, it's I suppose meaningless, isn't it.
It's just words, nothing else because nothing can be done.
You don't want to see it wound back. If there
was an ideal world, what happens with such an egregious
eraror like that, what has to happen.
Speaker 7 (08:27):
So it is only words.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
But I think that those words are better than an
excuse or trying to cover it up by saying something
else happened and we look at this issue instead of
that issue.
Speaker 7 (08:40):
I think the apology.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Is better coming out and saying, yeah, we got that wrong,
but we can't do something about it.
Speaker 7 (08:47):
We can't go back and say, well, let's have a replay,
let's do something.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Else, because so many other things happen in that eighty
minutes that could also change the course of the game,
not just that one decision. Yes, it might have been
at a time in the game where we think, wow,
that's only four minutes to goo or five minutes ago
that's got.
Speaker 7 (09:04):
A major impact.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yes, it might have a bigger impact happening then, but
also something that happened in the first half, just before halftime,
or in the the fifteenth minute could have happened that
could have changed the game just as much. So everything
that happened after that fifteenth minute doesn't happen because instead
of saying it being a kickoff, it could have been
a penalty and the team's going the other way that,
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which means everything else that happens after that is different
to what we've seen in the game, because every little
thing that happens in the game changes the course of
the game. I'll give you a quick example, and this
is on a real basic level. I'm referring a game
of oztag the other night. It was a Grand final.
It was three all A kick went through and it
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was a late tag and I awarded to try and
a player come over me and said, Bill, I think
that was only on the third tag. You can't kick
the ball to after the fourth tag. And I looked
at him and said that was on the fourth tag.
And I went back later on video footage showed it
was only the third tag. I got it wrong, and
the player texted me and said, when can we have
the replay?
Speaker 7 (10:06):
Bill?
Speaker 3 (10:06):
And I said, I've never seen a replay based on
a refereeing decision that was wrong, and nor will I,
and I wouldn't even consider it until you show me
the perfect game of tag played by the players, so
there is no mistakes, no drop balls, no forward passes,
and then I might even consider it, because that'll never happen.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Everybody has got issues, everyone was vulnerable, everybody makes mistakes,
is what you're heading at there. We're joined by Bill
Harrigan form my NRL referees. We look at the lack
of decision made over the weekend before the Bulldogs and
the Warriors. I think what you're touching on before, Bill
was a recency bias. It just happened. We saw at
the games hanging in the balance, and you can't attach
(10:48):
what happened in the not so distance pass to what
may have happened earlier on the piece. It's got to
be even across the board, doesn't it.
Speaker 7 (10:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yeah, And the one thing that I'm comfortable with, even
though there are mistakes made, and sometimes I'm moving sitting
at home.
Speaker 7 (11:04):
Maybe having a beer or a glass of red one
looking at the Oh, come on, how did you get
that wrong? Or hurry up and make a decision.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
There's one thing I know about all those referees and
people in the bunker, not one of them is going
in there with the idea that they're going to make
a mistake.
Speaker 7 (11:16):
They're all going in there to do the best job.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
That they can and come out one hundred percent on
top of all the decisions. But we know, because we
are human, that we're just going to stuff up, and
it's only until we look back on it.
Speaker 7 (11:28):
That we go, you know what, I made a mistake there.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
We've all done it, We'll all keep doing it, and
we've just got to accept that that's part of the game,
as much as it hurts.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
What about a situation bill where a season hangs on
a decision like that and we know the import of
getting into the top eight if the decision really does
blow the team's chance, Is there any form of compensation
that can maybe be looked at? Is there any way
of saying just saying more than you're sorry if it's
such a critical juncture of the season where the error
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is made.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
No, No, I couldn't go along with that, because if
you did that you'd open up some massive can of
worms where everybody would be coming in and saying, well,
look at that.
Speaker 7 (12:09):
We need compensation for that. We need to be we're
going to get someone's sort of response.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
And that could have cost us sponsors, that could have
cost us money for winning the competence. You need to
pay us back. That could never happen, and if it does,
that'll ruin the game.
Speaker 7 (12:22):
It's all over.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
In any sport, it just can't happen. So it's one
of those things. And then again, if you went back
and had to look at another game which might have
been close, but the Warriors or the Storm or the
Tigers were in and something happened, and you go back
and say, well, look at that one, that decision there
could have cost you, and that happened in round four.
Speaker 7 (12:41):
Five, six.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Every decision, every game has an impact on your standing
in the competition, and we just can't go back and
look at situations like that.
Speaker 7 (12:50):
You've just got to be one of those.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Things where you're copp it on the chin and accept
it and go well, that's sport.
Speaker 7 (12:56):
That's human error, and that's sport.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
And as long as you know it's a human error
and there's nothing in there that was in just then
you get on with it. And when I say that,
you would hate to think that someone did something on purpose.
But other than that, it's just a human error and
we just got to cop it on the chin.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Well, the All Black fans copped on the chin when
they went back four phases against the rule book and
it almost took well, it did take the World CP office,
but that's another story in rugby. Hey, do you think fans,
Bill Harrigan and the media take this more personally than
the players themselves do? They're much easier at processing this
and copping it on the chin, as you.
Speaker 7 (13:33):
Said, Yeah, and they do.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
And that's why I think I'm probably the way I
am as a referee too. I've gone out there and
I've made mistakes. I hate saying that. The Yeah, I
have made mistakes, But when you do go out there
and you make a mistake, and you know it's you
didn't go out there on purpose.
Speaker 7 (13:49):
You went out there.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
And you saw something and you made a decisions very quickly.
And the players are the same, and the players know
that they make mistakes. They drop balls, they mistackles, which
leads to tries and upsetting the result of the game
and that sort of thing, and we wear it because
we know that's the sport.
Speaker 7 (14:05):
The fans are so passionate.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
They spend their money to go to watch the game,
they buy the jerseys, they're eating the food at the grounds.
Speaker 7 (14:12):
And all that sort of thing, so it's costing them dollars.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
And then they see something that happens to their team
and it affects the result, and after the input that
they've got in their time support passion and financially, they
don't accept it as well. And that's understandable too. That's
acceptable to me.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Bill Harrigan joins the program. Few are the things to
discuss if you don't mind, Bill, and thanks so much
for joining us. I don't know about you, but personally,
and this was during Golden Point, the Golden Point drives
me insane. It is possibly one of the most artificial
adjustments to the game we've seen, because all in tens
and purposes, if you go through that time and it's
(14:53):
even anyway, I just see it as being a danger
to players and their health. I don't get why people
are buying into this. What about you?
Speaker 3 (15:02):
I'm the same. I've never liked it. I don't like,
we've got to have it when we get to a door.
So in other words, semifinals, grand finals, you have to
have a winner, you have to have a loser, so
you've got to have a result. I get that, no problem.
Speaker 7 (15:13):
But when you've.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Got the round games twenty six, you're playing twenty five
twenty four to twenty five twenty six rounds of footy,
you don't need the result in that game. When you
could give one point each, you don't have to play
extra time in that you've said, because they're going to
play again next week, they busted their guts for eighty minutes.
Speaker 7 (15:34):
Give them one point each.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
And what you'll do is, that's if they adopted that rule,
what you would then do in the last five or
six minutes of a game.
Speaker 7 (15:43):
It would become golden.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Point because both sides would be thinking, right, the clock's ticking,
we've got to score the field goal. Let's get it done.
But they're getting it done within the eighty minutes, and
I think that's what we should stick to. And then
when we get to the semifinals, that's when we start saying,
right now, we have to have extra time because we
do have to get a result, someone has to go
through the next week, someone has to sit down.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
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Speaker 2 (16:15):
It be it was Bill Harrogan, my bad there. Of
course it didn't happened to during Golden Point. It happened beforehand.
But I think the idea is still there about the
ridiculous notion of this artificial construct that is Golden Point.
So be it as far as the issue. But is
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an apology from the NRL enough? Is it just meaningless?
Bill said? It's not means, it's words. It's still a
representation of a Look, we got it wrong. What else
are we supposed to do? We can apologize. That's all
we can do. I suppose that's better than nothing. I
suppose what it comes back to is this is tempering
(16:58):
our expectations when it comes to the ability of the
refereeing group, be it the bunker or be them on
the park, and it's quite a difficult thing to do.
I don't believe that referees have got it in for
the worries. There might be some form of unconscious bias,
but I still struggle with that one. We go back
(17:20):
to Handling's Raiser. One of my favorite thought processes, and
it's based around the concept is that people aren't mean,
They're just stupid. They didn't mean to do that. I
don't think it was a deliberate act against the warriors.
It was missed because they're human beings. So the case
(17:43):
for me of tempering your expectations, I think it's so
so important, and this is reflected in literature and everything
else throughout the world. You expect too much, are always
going to be disappointed, and we expect these guys to
(18:03):
get it right one hundred percent of the time. It's
not going to happen. It's not malice. It's just a
bit thick, and I can accept that. I am accepting that.
I'm not pointing a finger and yelling, hey, that's football
for you. It's the way it goes. Move on, What
about you? You with me on that one? Are you
willing to actually leave that to one side? Get over
(18:26):
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in situations like the mist call and the bunker and
the wires against the Bulldogs as an apology from the
NRL enough it was just meaningless. What else can they do?
(19:29):
What more do you want to? John? How are you? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (19:34):
Good?
Speaker 7 (19:34):
Bad?
Speaker 10 (19:35):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
You're not so bad?
Speaker 10 (19:37):
That's a story.
Speaker 7 (19:38):
Hey.
Speaker 10 (19:38):
I was just listening to H. T. Bill here and
I was just when he was saying, you know, it
all comes down to you know, people make mistakes and
human era and so on. I was thinking, well, surely
the banker and the TMO, with all the technology, it
was all about trying to reduce that human era. And
(20:03):
if that's not going to be the case, then why
don't we go back to the referees court. Just seems
to me that you know, he's sort of saying that
we're never going to get it right. But I thought
the whole idea of this extra technology was to reduce
that sort of number of amount of human.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Era possibly, John. The situation is is because we've become
so forensic when we look back at these situations, and
there are so many opportunities to take a look at
the tape that when one does turn up, that's an
absolute how it has really highlighted, it really shines because
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we really see that. But across the board we don't
see it as much anymore. It's just the size and
the shock of the ones we do see suggest that
maybe we should just go back to the human era.
Speaker 10 (20:59):
Yeah no, no, I agree mate. I mean it just
seems that there's so many cameras, so much technology, you
should be able to get it down to the margin
below the margin of era. But that doesn't actually seem
to be the case.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
So I think the problem is when you go to
human involved, John, that's where the problem is. The technology
is fine, it's the human overseeing the technology that's the problem.
Speaker 10 (21:24):
Right, Yeah, no, absolutely, mate, Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
With So we might just have to have an AI
guy taking a look.
Speaker 10 (21:33):
Here we go leave it the computers.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
There you go. That's good. Just just run the numbers.
We'll be fine. Just set from the computer and see
what happens. In fact, put all the players in the
computer hit the scramble go button. I'll give you a
result in ten seconds. Just wait for it. And the
Warriors of One. Congratulations. That was fun, wasn't it. Hi, Simon.
Speaker 11 (21:54):
Body, how are you?
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, not so bad.
Speaker 8 (21:57):
Yeah, it was just you know, thinking when you were
talking with the build here and you know what a
neat refu was back in the day. You've done some
blind blinder calls too, But it was just like we
saw it all happen in real time at the pub,
and then when there late it happened, all of us said, oh,
there'll be an apology. There's a bit of a joke,
but it really And then then it came out, you know,
(22:17):
for an apology. But if the Panthers were to do
that in the dying minutes or of another team, which
always seems to be I think I've been griping eighteen
years on the on the phone with it, just about
the rough calls and the and the head highs and
off the ball, you know, raking of the faces and
all that, and we just seem to be the humble
Kiwi you know, just play how we play. But we
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don't really have the grubs of the game as such.
But when you when you're watching it and you're surrounded
by twenty other totally different people that were more interested
in All Blacks game, and I think missing the Hucker
upset a few people, but but we saw had the
same passion in that. But for us to think, I'll
here we go, We're just going to get an apology,
but it happens all the time and off the ball
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kind of stuff.
Speaker 7 (23:00):
You know.
Speaker 8 (23:01):
You see the guys with their podcasts and stuff now
and they're analyzing everything and then they're doing a bit
of job the people that are getting paid thousands of
dollars an hour.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
So the numbers game would be fascinating when simon, if
you could somehow through AI super tech whatever go right,
how many teams have suffered so many injustices at the
hands of the judiciary, at the hands of the bunker,
and then run those numbers and see if it's a
bias from our point of view, because it's our team.
(23:28):
It's the only team in the NRAL that's our so
we focus on that or there is an unconscious, unconscious bias.
It's really hard to establish, isn't it. You don't know
from our wives we go what are you doing?
Speaker 8 (23:40):
But even we're talking like even cross cross codes, like
you know, some people that can't stand league were.
Speaker 11 (23:47):
What the heck?
Speaker 8 (23:50):
That's not on? You know, even in rugby it would
have been off. Mate.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
It does seem to me, Simon, and we've got to
fly plenty of calls on Thanks for a much your
call to me. It's not it's not cheating, it's it
can't be. It was so obvious that it was just
a horrible, horrible mistake. Here's Graham Annesley.
Speaker 12 (24:08):
The real question here is should this have been penalized
on fuel? And the answer to that is clearly yes
it should have been, not because it was high, but
because it was late and I know this was a
critical time of the game. The bunker did review the incident,
(24:28):
but now then it didn't give due regard to the
issue of lateness. So we think this is a miss
by the match officials and it's unacceptable.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
How many officials are in there by the way, maybe
one you go year two or three or four, e
I've got a text and is before we get to
our phone calls lines are open eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty what of Statistically, the NRL have apologized to
the Warriors more than any other team in the last
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twenty nine years. Any wouldn't be surprised. Hey, Nico, how
are you good?
Speaker 7 (25:06):
Evening?
Speaker 13 (25:07):
Dar?
Speaker 11 (25:07):
I find yourself yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Very very happy. What's on your mind?
Speaker 11 (25:11):
Garcia? I'm just looking at you know, players versus reads.
When a player makes a mistake, he misses a few games,
he gets penalized. They even sometimes gets financially fine. Nothing
happens to the reefs when they get it wrong. Maybe
this should be a ref.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
They stood down, they get moved, they go to lower grades,
they don't go without. I don't think they ever get
the book thrown at them fiscally though, Nico, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 11 (25:37):
They don't. And they also don't get financially penalized, because
I'm sure there's quite a few bucks in a reffing
a top class game like the NRLs and when it
comes to the quarters and the finals and the sidneys,
but they don't get financially disadvantaged. Maybe they should. And
even I hate saying this, even go as fas as
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most probably check the financial status and see if there
was no bipeps or buy ins or niko.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
It's a bit heavy, isn't it. I don't think into
that stage. As I said, we go back to that
theory that razor. This is not malicious, this is just dumb.
I'm interested in the idea about finding the refs. I
think the trouble is is that referees are so hard
to find anyway. It's such a horrible space to be in.
And I really feel for all referees. If you drag
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them over the coals and start finding them, if they
make human errors, you're gonna have no one left referee.
You've got to think that way.
Speaker 11 (26:35):
Darcing, just a quick one. I know you've got heaps
of course waiting, but yeah, you get dumb, and you
get really really dumb, which makes you being suspect of.
Speaker 7 (26:45):
Hell.
Speaker 11 (26:45):
I mean that thing went to a bunker and it
was still overruled. Then you start thinking you said a
malicious intent in all of us.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I don't think there is. I mean you might, but
I a Nika, thanks very much for your call it
where your head is at for situations like this, how
you consider what your expectations are. You've got to lower them.
That's the only way you're going to suffice. Because people
make errors, they make stupid errors, and you feel like
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you've been personally attacked, but you haven't. It's a Sylvia
plathor writer along the lines. If you never expect anything
from anybody, you're never going to be disappointed. So expect
nothing and let it wash over you. You know, really
you can't control it. You're gonna have a bit of
(27:40):
a winge and a moan and stamp your feet and
is what it is?
Speaker 7 (27:43):
Right?
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (27:44):
I hate saying that.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Just the seventy thirty six sports talker's news talks eb
lines are open. Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the apology enough from the NRL? Do you
want more? And what? How can you make up for
something like that? We have to be strong. You have
to sit stoically and work through. It will be okay
because this news talks there.
Speaker 14 (28:05):
B singing I want some ride over into chrome, A
lot of six down PC eight.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I'm worried about both players.
Speaker 13 (28:23):
Well, there may be a case to answer here. The
all have been passed, but it's hard a right kill us.
He has past that well truly before.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Oh gee, well, well the buck is clearer, and said.
Speaker 13 (28:38):
Okay, I don't understand how that's clear, both players grabbing
their face.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Salmon has looks like you may have lost.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Two as his whole draw for jovib seven.
Speaker 7 (28:47):
So how is that clear?
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Oh I can't, I can't explain it. Yeah, well they
said it, didn't they right there on the spot. I
think the bigger crime here is people calling him to
Mary Martin drives me nuts. It's the matey. It's not
that hard. But that's okay, Bigga. First to Fry, I
like this text very much, Darcy, why don't we bunker
(29:11):
the bunker? So we get awarded two points by the
NRL the dogs keep their points. List goes on, So
we have a bunker, a bunker, and a bunker bunker.
You have a whole skyscraper of bunkers. Takes an hour
to get through them all. I like that point, though.
Gooday Lyle, how are you?
Speaker 7 (29:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (29:29):
Not too bad. I'm going to break it down really
simple or just the I said, because I'm a simple person.
They watched that tackle, according to Graham Annesty, and they
concentrated on whether or not it was a high tackle.
I thought it was marginal, right, but there was only
one tackle. They looked good it enough to see that
or good side. It wasn't high. It's the same tackle,
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but they were not able to see that.
Speaker 7 (29:53):
It was late.
Speaker 9 (29:55):
So you know, with all due respects, Harold and I
liked them as a referee, tolerated name bullshit. Sorry about that,
but not everyone that works in that industry capable as
he was. There was one or two things. Whoever was
in the bunker. They were either incompetent or they were biased,
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end of story. You know, we all make mistakes. But
you looked at the one tackle. You could see that. Okay,
you decided it wasn't a high tackle, but it's the
same tackle, and you could not see that. He arrived
two weeks late.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
It's back to my old complaint guy, though, isn't it.
You have one job. Courier companies losing packages, prisoner's breaking
out of jay, You've got one job keep them in there.
Speaker 7 (30:40):
It's this.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
You've got one job determine whether it's against the law
or not. How many sets of iSER in that bunker.
So I'd say incompetence. I don't think it's malice.
Speaker 9 (30:50):
Oh yeah, look one of your sister radio stations over there.
Somebody I was told today Will wanted to talk about
cases done. The number crunching and the marginal calls that
go against the warriors is well out of proportion. Look, Harrogan,
you know he says with sincerity that no one does
this and no one does that. Well, Bill, you don't
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know them all, and there's a lot more people involved
in it. So whilst I think the man sincere, he
can't vouch for all of them. So no, it's antlessly
you're coming up with an excuse. Although concentrating on whether
it was I drive a truck up and down the
M one between the Gold Coast and Brisbane picking up
(31:35):
slabs of stone I mentioned if I already tied down
one side of the truck. Oh, but I've concentrated on that.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Boss nicely put, and then you make that decision wrong people,
die Lyle, thanks very much for your call. Seven and
forty three. Let's move on to Craig. Good evening, Good evening.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
How's it going this evening?
Speaker 2 (31:53):
They're not bad? What do you think?
Speaker 8 (31:56):
I don't really follow much for it, so bear with
me because I'm probably.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Englerant I'm bearing. Sorry, I'm bearing.
Speaker 8 (32:03):
Okay, Yeah, I like I think that you really have
to take the apology forward. It was, yes, they made
a mistake. I mean, as you say, he runs human
all that sort of stuff. But I was quite amazed
with people bring it up and saying they should be
doing better and apology is not good enough. And you think, well,
out of all those people that did that, how many
you then could put a hand on heart that they've
never made a stuff up in the entire life. I mean,
(32:24):
if you made stuff up to yourself, you know, you
know what it's like. But you know, technology is like
one of those things. But when they brought CDs out,
they thought they were the end of the world and
they basically fell over and everyone thought, oh yeah, social
media is great, and they look at it to it
after a while. So, I mean technology does have inherent
problems with it in the end, really doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Well, I'll go back to what I said before. The
technology is fine. It's who's reviewing the technology, which is
the human. It's the meat sack, and that's where the
problem comes. If you can give everybody all of the
tools they need, but if they're incapable of operating the tools.
Speaker 15 (33:00):
It doesn't last thing.
Speaker 8 (33:03):
You want to have like a fleet of drones flowing
around with AI and there's no referees, so where it's
all done by computer and yeah, then it takes all
the humanity out of things.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
And then it's well, yeah, it's a huge part of
it because sport is about humans. It's about human interaction.
It's about the frailty to the human kind. It's about
their mental strength collapsing under undue pressure, and that's why
you get victories and defeats. And if you take that away,
like I said before, Craig, you run all the numbers
(33:31):
of all the athletes and their physicality and their size DOTA,
and you run them all through a machine and then
you pop print out out ten seconds later and it
says the warrior is won. There you go, you're happy. No,
we don't want that, No, you.
Speaker 8 (33:43):
Want to see the contest and all that. And then
I define it amusing how a lot of the fans
are so upset about it, and you think, well, at
the end of the day, the way I look at
it as the players are the ones who have done
the hard graft, done all the trained all that, and
if they can go oh, they rub it off and
go yeah, it's just what happens at Heavens type thing
and get over it. But then you get the fans
really going on and on about it. It's like, well,
(34:05):
at the end of the day, you see bought ticket,
maybe had some overpriced chuts, but you haven't done the
hard mahi to get the weather. Those that if the
issue players themselves can get over it any sort of thing,
well maybe they need to get over it as well
as a fan possibly.
Speaker 7 (34:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Really hard thing to say, craigid, thank you very much,
because telling a sports fan to get over it because
they have no control is insane because that's not the
passion that is elicited from sport. They people buy so
heavily into it. When something goes against them, they rage
at it. And that's part of why people engage in
(34:40):
sport because of the passion side of it. I can
sit back here, just passionately and say there's nothing you
can do about it, so don't worry about it, just
let it go, put it down, walk away, And then
people would accuse you of not being a fan and
not being invested enough in the game, and so on
and so forth. It does make for interesting conversation. I'll
(35:02):
go back to that quote before. If you expect nothing
from any body, you're never disappointed. It's like, ah, yep,
humans being humans.
Speaker 11 (35:12):
There it is.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
The good, the bad, the ugly and the indifferent. It's
thirteen minutes to eight. This is Sports Talk on that
News Talk zed B Steve Texan are the missed by
the reef? Won't cost the Warriors the season? Losing sixty
six six to the Titans is the season destroyer? Up
the wise true that coming up next, we're going to
(35:35):
talk a bit of tennis. That's the good news story
of the week, Isn't it got to love this? The
president of tennis club, Greg Shepherd joins us to talk
about Lulu Sun ahead of her quarterfinal yr quarterfinal tonight
at Wimbledon. Things get underway just after midnight, but Greg
(35:56):
joins us next here on News Talks EB I'm joined
now in the program by one of the happiest men
in the South find and his name is Greg Shepherd.
Greg is the president of the Tiano Tennis Club. Greg,
(36:20):
welcome to the program. You can't stop smiling, can you?
Speaker 7 (36:24):
Mate? How did you know? You know?
Speaker 15 (36:26):
S grinning away as we speak. This is a big
deal for us down here in the Deep South. We
were excited, and we were excited from startle last week,
and I reckon we'll still be excited at the end
of this week. We've got Lulu. She's on fire, and
I don't think she's finished it even I think she's
just going from strength to strength, which is exciting.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
She is an extraordinary character, predominantly because no one knew
who she was. This turned up out of nowhere. Unless
you're a hard core tennis geek, you would have a
clue who Lulu Son is. So fill us on the
deep say you know she was born and grew up
for a while in your neck of the woods. Involved
her engagement with Tiano is a very big.
Speaker 7 (37:06):
You.
Speaker 15 (37:06):
No, it wasn't really no, So we never saw her
for the first five years, and then she obviously she
went overseas and did all her tennis training and schooling
and stuff like that. And then was when she turned
about thirteen we first sort of touch base and she
was looking for hitting partners at that time because she
was obviously trying to produce her tennis career, and we
used to seeing their top male tennis players her way,
(37:29):
and she would just beat them one after the other,
no worries at all. So and then each year when
she comes home on holiday, she would she would get
in touch with us and just ask if we could
provide some hitting partners and would offer her courts up
for use for to train on and that sort of
Hell we've rolled for the last ten or so years.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Did you have a suspicion that she might actually capitalize
on all that time playing out the back and tiano
on her holidays. Did she looked like someone who's going
to do something in the game.
Speaker 15 (37:59):
Greeg, you're did right. She looked like a tennis player
that I hadn't seen before.
Speaker 7 (38:03):
The power.
Speaker 15 (38:04):
She just even like thirteen, She was just like a
top male player at the time. He went out there
to player and she was thirteen years old and she
had a ball on him. He was coming up to
net and it clean knocked the racket out of his hand.
Was He's like, oh, I'm going to put in some
effort here when he tried that and she still whipped them.
So no, we knew at that point that there was
(38:25):
there was something special going on there.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
What about mental fortitude?
Speaker 7 (38:27):
Do you look.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
I suppose we're talking about the qualifiers off here before,
but the first two games coming back from a set
down that I think shows a maturity beyond her years,
the ability to not panic follow process.
Speaker 15 (38:43):
No, I know, you look at her and she's just
it's like she's been doing it for one hundred years.
She's just as cool as a cucumber. Nothing looks to
phase it. She might duff the odd shot, but that's
part of her game. She plays a high risk game,
which is obviously effective. But if she misses one, she
doesn't get all tangled up and smash a racket and
all that sort of jazz. She just sits down, focuses
(39:04):
and gets on with the new I'd.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Suggest Tiano hasn't had this much attention in quite some time.
What what's it like? Is there a lot of media
ringing through that, a little of the hubbub on the
street about Lulu and what she's providing so far.
Speaker 15 (39:18):
Yeah, No, this is I tell you what the start
of last week. This is not what I had planned
for this week.
Speaker 7 (39:22):
I tell you, my.
Speaker 15 (39:23):
Phone's been ringing in red hot and I feel like
we are the most famous tennis club in the world
at the moment, it just seems it's just gone berserk.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
What are your facilities, like, Greg, because I think he
might be a lean on someone in New Zealand sport
to go. Listen, you know, we've got an episen to here.
Help me out. Have you got a half decent court
down there?
Speaker 7 (39:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 15 (39:42):
Well, I'm looking down on a cinder court here at
the moment. And then someone pointed out before that we've
actually got someone playing in the quarter finals of Wimbledon
and the men's draw that actually played on this very
court here. Lorenzo Musetti, he played in the We had
an international tournament here in twenty nineteen and he played
in this. He was a number one junior in the
world at the time and he played in that it
(40:03):
of tournament. And then we've had Mike Venus he played
on the court too, and he's going good and he's
still in Wimbledon, and he played Cameron Nourri as well,
who's out of Wimbledon now, but he was there. So
we like to think we launched careers down here.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Something in the water working very very well. What's the
queue of partners like now, there'd be a lot of
people signing on the dotted line and say, yeah, I'll
hit a board Lula next time she's here. It'd probably
go right around the corner to Queenstown, wouldn't it.
Speaker 15 (40:31):
Yeah, No, there'll be a queue up. We're hoping she
comes back to visit when she's here, Well, hopefully she
comes back at Christmas time. She sort of that seems
to be a time of the year when she does
come back. That's a that must be the quiet time
and the and the tennis careers calendars. So we're hoping
she comes back. And yes, for sure, there's I'm looking
at there's I'll she just coughts. At the moment, there's
a group of five kids getting coached out there at
(40:52):
the moment, and I'm sure they would love to have
a hit with Lulu, maybe get a signature or two.
I'll be lining up for a.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Signature, understandably. And are you going to try and do
anything with the fame that she's got to be able
to cap it this? Or is this not the way
in tian No, it's not.
Speaker 15 (41:09):
Hell we roll, I don't think. No, we'll just enjoy
it while it's last, and then we'll take a break
and we'll hopefully do it all again when the US
Open rolls around.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Look at that well, mark me down, billet me. I'm
coming down for the party. It sounds fantastic. Greg Shepherd,
he is the Tiano Tennis Club President. Thank you for
your time and your huge smile. I can sense it
from the other end of the country. Mate, love your work.
Speaker 15 (41:33):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
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