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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from News Talk zedb.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Let's saw a rugby and why not? Because it is
the season to be rugby. It's a brand new coach,
it's a brand new team and they're looking down the
barrel of a pretty upset English side who got gazumped
by just one point. Only one change for the New
Zealand side that's at half back. Unfortunately for TJ, he's
been injured out of the game, so Finny Christie arrives,
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Brent Hall joins us. Now, Bryn Be you give an
I tooth to be chosen to cover for TJ. Pettina,
welcome to the show mate.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Thanks thanks having I suppose first.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Up being is that as your position of strength and halfback?
What do you make of this selection of Finley Christie
to climb into that role? And it made perfect sense
he was the second cab off the rank. But how
do you think that's going to affect what the All
Blacks are up to look?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
I don't think it's going to be There's not going
to be a lot of change, to be honest.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
I think the good thing that I like about Finley
and he probably doesn't get the reps that he deserves.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Is that he's very consistent in all core core role areas.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
So a pretty good pass, gets the ball nice and fast,
has a really good at stute kicking game, very good
around the contestas which we saw in that first Test match.
And I think also his combetitiveness around the physicality for
his size, around defense of communicating.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
So he does all those things really really well.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
And every time that I say with Finlay is that
his bad game is an eight and his good games
to ten. So that consistency that you get with Finlay
is is pretty good at this level. So yeah, I'm
not surprised that he's starting and he's going to.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Do really well. I think at Adden Park it hit
at his home stadium.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
He could probably do with a bit more help from
the loose forwards. Don't want to be critical, but I am.
They probably didn't hit a HUNDI did. They didn't really
help TJ or McKenzie in that first Test. They needed
to be more aggressive, more present, give more room.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
To a certain extent, I think, and if you look
in the first half when TJ was on the actual
the quickness around the ball and especially in that first
half was really really good. I think the spookiness of
the England lin speed pressure was probably more the kind
of the troubles that we had. So if you look
in that first half, there were maybe three or four
opportunities that the All Blacks tried to get it to
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the width, but just with the execution of the linespeed
pressure from the England and probably the skill set wise
in and around that area and on the edge, we
weren't able.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
To get their ball away.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
So I think the Fowards will know that the physicality
right is the most important part they need to get
over the advantage line.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
We've got great athletes in the temper that we'll be
able to play off that.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
But I think as well, it's just to understand that
that defense is coming and sometimes you have to play
against lin speed to understand it. You can have that analysis,
you can have that preview, but it's not until you're
in the heat of battle. And those All Blacks boys
would have felt that in the first test. So I
actually see them being a lot better and we'll see
a better attacking ability from the All Blacks on on
Saturday night at Eden Park.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I would say, what do you have to do to
mitigate something like that intense line speed. Because this has
been something that the All Blacks have struggled with for
quite some time. It seems to be quite a good
tactic to use against them. It's like it's speed and confusions.
So what's the best way through to come on, Coach Hall,
let me know, there's.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
A couple of ways. We actually talked about it on
our podcast out. I know this is really boring, but
it really is. The first part of it, the physicality
at the breakdown and winning the collisions. It's probably an
area that we struggle at times with big ball carriers.
So your lights of your Scott Barrett, even Patrick two
Polows is a perfect example of that when he gets
over the advantage line and then starts to give us
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a good go for a ball around getting the attack.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
So the physicality around our one to eight is really.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Important getting that quick ball and then from that it's
been able to on the edge, Like I talked about,
having your depth right, having the ability to get that
ball to the edge through a really good skill set,
through the position of where the.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Ball is going to be.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
You can't get the ball behind shoulder up higher because
that lines we appreciate that we saw on the weekend
with the thirteen and the fourteen from English. We couldn't
get that ball away. And then lastly, it's your kick game.
You look at Damien McKenzie's ability to be able to
get that cross your kick to Severie. Now you've got
to be able to pull through when that pitch has
been seen. So it might only happen three or four
times with that last defends inside the fifteen or is
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it really really tight with the fullback not there, And
you've got to be able to pull pull trigger. So
and that's the unfortunate thing with the ldspeed pressure, You're
only going to get a few opportunities in different areas
around that and you've just got to be able to
get it right, which will probably struggle with in the past.
So look, I look forward to seeing what the solutions
and if they can be better in that space, which
is probably we'll just a little bit off on the weekend.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
It's their execution. And I've always talked about this accuracy
and speed. It's super important in any form of rugby,
and this is what you're saying. You've got to be accurate,
you've got to do it quick, and you've got to
be ready to react if that small moment arises so
very present. To use a modern word, Britain.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Well tried.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
I tried, if I'll watched a lot of code and
I do it for a job on my right side,
watch a bit of code. So but I think it's
it's been able to marry up all those things. And
that's the challenge for the All Blacks. It's not only
just the or Blacks, for anybody that goes up against
lightspeed pressure, whether it's Super rugby. You look at the Hurricanes,
they bring a high light speed pressure and the Chiefs
and even the Blues they were able to know the that.
So you've just got to be able to do it
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for long periods of time. And again lastly, in the
second half, they changed, they changed their game plan. We
wanted to play a high octane game, but they felt
that they couldn't get around the English and and we
weren't able to attack and execute under pressure, so they
went to a kicking game. Finlay Christie comes on, they
go to the box kick and I think we actually
lowered our our passes throughout the duration of that second half,
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and I guess that the work on for that will
be we want the contestable to be on the money
so you can actually contest the ball. There were probably
just a touch too long from Demo and Finlay, even
though they were able to stop ball and all. If
you can get that to a fifty to fifty contest,
then it opens up for the counter attack two quick passes.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Then we get our athletes.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Like talaa severe perifier which we saw beat Ben Earl
on the weekend, getting those guys in the kind of
counterattack exchanges.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
What about the team itself. Britainhill joins us former super
rugby player for the Blues and the Crusaders. I leave
the rest the team that's been announced only the one
change forced by injury sensible.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Yeah, I think they're just probably knowing Ray in the
amount of time that they've had together. Continuity is really
really important. So the boys of the job on the
week in net twenty three, you've got quarters at Artem
who's coming into the twenty one role with two g
being injured. So I think, especially in a test match
like this, knowing that coaching group, knowing the players don't
want to get this win, so Raiser has given those
guys another opportunity to get the job done, and again
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I think we'll see a better version of it another
week in camp. The more conversations that there would have
had collectively as players, as coach has been able to
have strategy meetings, defense meetings, and that week more will
set them up really well. Knowing that you know that
Fiji game in San Diego, a lot more of these
kind of debutantes with the lysis tatt maybe quarters that
our team are in TOSSI and other guys that haven't
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played this through two test matches will get a nice
run for that Fiji, that Fiji game in San Diego.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Confidence as well to the players Razor Ray Robertson saying, look,
you can be better.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I know you can.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I'm going to give you another week to build these
connections and prove to us that you can. As opposed
to game right, you're out, You're out, You're out, because
that not that I've ever been a professional rugby player,
but that kind of chop and changing can be quite disruptive,
especially early in the season.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Absolutely, and I think you've got to credit England and
the team that they have.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
I think New Zealand and public will probably would have
thought if you haven't watched the Six Nations and you
haven't watched them in that World Cup as well, they're
a very very good side and you saw that on
the weekend. So I think they probably were licking their
lips in that first Test match and thinking that we're
going to get them at a good time. So yeah,
I think the combinations is really important and I think
it just shows with respect to this England side that
they can attack, they can kick, they can defend, and
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they can go to set peace.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
So again, the All Blacks can have to be on
in all those kinds of areas and I know they
will be.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
But this English side, if you don't get it right
and we don't do some of the things that we
did well on the weekend, will be in trouble again.
Like we were not always say that we were in trouble,
but we were up against it. They can say a
pretty good English English side.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Well, the things side's played together a lot more than
the All Blacks have. Of course, they've gone right through
Six Nations campaign, got on tour as well and looking
back at those games, what are they finished? Think it
was third across the sea Nations brin there was only
one blowout game. The other games were within one or
two points. So they know how to fight, or they
know how to defend, or they know how to fight back.
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But you can never write them off, can you, oh mate?
Speaker 4 (08:20):
And if you look at if you actually just do
look at the English side, I think in that World
Cup they had to see both would come and Eddie
Jones had left them.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
I guess you know, they probably.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Didn't have a lot of time, so they went to
the traditional kickchase pressure, being able to build through set
piece and being able to do a really.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Good kicking game. But if you if you looked at
the back end of.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
That Six Nations, they beat Ireland which is a really
great game that they played, and they went pretty close
to the French as well. I think there's only a
couple of points in it if I remember. So they
were building really nicely, changing a bit of.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
DNA about them. They bought this lives to be pressure
that they did at the back end.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Of the Six Nations with just they'll continue to keep
getting better, which we saw on the weekend, and their attackability.
If you look at and bosses, I think it's theo
who was what's his name his name's yeah in bossaw
that try there is pretty much the DNA of England.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
You've got Alex Smith, who I think is one.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Of the best half backs in the world around testing
that heart defense and been able to be real good
in that sniping running game. He's very very good at that.
And you've got Marcus Smith miss nine points on the weekend.
You'd think he'd get that right, but his ability to
be able to play on top of the teams having
outside runners of him with a little pop board, been
able to get players flat to the line off him.
That's really good. In their outside backs. Fairbank is probably
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one of the best fullbacks in the world and he's
he's just come onto the scene. So there's a lot
to like about that England team and they'll continue to
keep getting better.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
And finally, Brenthrn, thanks so much for joining us here
at news Talk, because z B just looking at our
halfbacks that we know, cam roy Guard is the man
of the hour. When he comes back, you'd expect to
go straight in there. Now Holtam has come back and
not come back, he's been invited into camp as well.
Then you've got the rest Courtiz Latima as one of them.
How do you think he's going to handle the pressure
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of an All Black debut off the bench in front
of the English. Has he got the intestinal fortitude to
deal with that?
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Oh? I think he'll find out. He's a young kid
that has played two years really well.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
I think he had Brad Weber last year and has
had a pretty good apprenticeship underneath him, and then this
year been able to fight it out with Xavier Row
to be able to come the incumbent nine.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
And where I think it went really well for.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Courtiers was that maybe his last four or four games
he had a couple of games before the before the
final series, and in particular his game against the Hurricanes,
I think has.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Set him up really really well.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
He's competitive, he's got a pretty he's got a pretty
good running game that he probably hasn't shown a lot,
but he has the ability to be able to snipe
when he wants to go, and is passing in his
support lines as a world class. So he's got enough
ingredients in there and probably knowing that he's going to
be set up really nicely in the best thing probably
in that environment is that he only have to worry
about doing his job, so when you've got that kind
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of confidence that other players are going to be able
to know it now with their own thing. He's going
to go through the week being able to get through
his preparation and then when then, when that opportunity comes,
just go on and be Quartiers. That art to me
because he's still young and he will learn, but he's
got nothing nothing to lose in that kind of position.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
There be fantastic five past seven Saturday night. Eden part
very much looking forward to it as we all are
us code heads. Sprendhall, thank you very much for your
time and please send my love to Ross Carl and
James Parsons. It's been too long.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Oh well man, I'll no doubt they look forward to it.
Thanks mate.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
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