July 24, 2024 • 6 mins
Former All Whites Head Coach Ricki Herbert joined D'Arcy Waldegrave to discuss the 'drone' scandal surrounding the Football Ferns opening Olympics clash.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Wildergrave
from News Talk Z'B.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Join It Now by Ricky Herbert, former All Whites coach
and player, as we look at the sensational start to
the Olympics where the Canadians have got caught with a
drone over all sorry football ferns training, Recky, Welcome to
the show.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Mate, Thanks Darsie. Great to talk.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Of course, football will be the focus of yourself, being
that you've got quite a history in football. Don't think
I need to go through it, but the big football.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Story today is the spying of a drone by the
Canadian national team looking at the football ferns before they
start on Friday morning.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
This biggars belief, this story, doesn't it. I suppose first question,
being a coach yourself, what do they hope to ascertain
from flying a drone over training?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
What can you actually build?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
What can you get out of that?
Speaker 5 (01:00):
I wouldn't say it's complex, Darsie, but it's quite surreal,
isn't it. I guess just a fundamental roles and responsibilities
of people, and you know the appropriate way of doing things.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I guess and seeking.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
I guess that cutting edge I mean, I don't know
exactly who's done it or what that looks like, but
the context of having a drone across and looking across
other representative countries training sessions is completely inappropriate, and I
think it'll be interesting where that that sort of story
travels to.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
But I mean, what would you see?
Speaker 5 (01:34):
Well, I guess you're going to see or have the
ability to see a range of things depending on what
that training session looks like.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Clearly the secrets.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
What would you see, like stand formation plays that they're
going to go to. What would you pick up if
you were to be in that situation someone gave you
a tape, Ricky, what would you be looking for?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Yeah, I mean it's a It's a great point, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
I guess I'm not assuming that the drones flying around
the bottom of the players and being able to be
up close, but yeah, like I guess the proximity of
where it could get to whatever that looks like. I
don't know even't had the ability to do that, but
look Formation, Yeah, I think you're right. I mean, you
could fly it across. Whether Michael Mains got his team
out and he set it out and he's you know,
whether or not the drone can pick up players, you
(02:15):
know from an identity perspective and what that might look like.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
But I think system is probably more than anything. Really.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
I think, you know, the global world now gives you
the option to understand opposition players and where they play
in strengths and weaknesses, and you know that can be
analyzed across a whole range of videos, et cetera, and
scanning networks. But I guess just to hover something above
to give you that cutting edge, which I think is
completely inappropriate, but that would be probably the number one
(02:44):
outcome if you were brave enough to take that chance.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
They detained the character concerned. As far as punishment goes,
cheating is cheating, right, whether it's at the Ben Johnson
edto the scale or at the scene of the scale.
Did they come down like a ton of bricks? What
kind of punished do you think the Olympic Games should
meet out to this Canadian side?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yeah, what's going to be interesting, isn't it?
Speaker 5 (03:06):
I guess, And again I don't know the full depth
of the situation, but you know, if it's somebody who's
very much connected into that organization, it's going to be
interesting to see where that punishment lies because I can't
say I've heard of d drones flying above on regular basises.
I think I shared with you before, I think last
twelve months. I think I heard something about it somewhere
(03:27):
in some sort of sport whatever that might have been,
But it's not something that happens on a regular basis.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
So it'll be interesting to see.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Where an Olympic committee sits with us and how vigilant
they are and you know, to to ensure that these
things don't occur again. And I see in you know,
sort of in our local press that primarily drones are
banned completely, So you know, we could be a fan
who's going across to watch New Zealand play and flies
across somebody else's turf. You know we're going to be
(03:56):
dealt with that appropriately as well. So yeah, it could
be reasonably severe, to be fair.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
It seems strange though, something so obvious as a drone
would be being used when, as you pointed out the
amount of video playback facility, scouting everything else, You've got
the information you need, So it seems like a real
stretch to gun and what would be a minimal amount
of invitation I'd stretched to say it's stupid, Ricky.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Yeah, look, I wouldn't disagree to ARSI I think, and
you've nailed it. I mean, I guess in my era
we probably didn't have quite the depth of staff that
you have in the modern era now. And I would
suggest that you know, all the teams that are currently
representing their countries proudly at an Olympic Games would have
in depth analysis way prior to a few days out
(04:44):
from a training session and having something hovering you know,
I don't know one hundred menta whatever it is above
the team that could be basically doing something that you're
going to have no benefit in seeing from a training session.
It might be just a warm up, it might be
a simple passing practice, it might be something completely different.
There might not be some strategic opportunity to view something.
So I wouldn't have thought way for this that you know,
(05:07):
the recognition of players and who's got strengths and weaknesses
and how teams play, and I mean, there's worldwide opportunities
to do that, Darcy, So for me, it just doesn't
make sense.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I suppose over arching, Ricky, we talk about the Canadians,
but what effect do you think this will have? On
the football Ferns.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Yeah, look, it'll be interesting probably either go one way
or the other. Darcy.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
I think, you know, you could look at it from
a players perspective to go we've actually put some challenges
in front of this team. If they are up there
putting a drone up and they want to see what
we're doing, we're actually making a bit of a statement
to them. So it can have a dual effect for me.
I don't think I can only go back in my
playing career. I wouldn't you know, it wouldn't have been
(05:48):
a you kind of look at it is kind of nothing,
But like I say, it could be a little bit
twofold here where players go, wow, what's this. We're being
looked at, we're being inspired upon, we're being You could
kind of take it in that context, or you could go,
somebody's trying to have a look at us, so we
must be doing something, or we're improving, or we're looking better,
or we're going to be a challenge to this team,
and they're quite clearly worried about what we could do
(06:12):
in performance in two or three days time. So I'd
be taking the ladder mate, I'd be super positive to
go I kind of think this team's worried about us.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
To be fair, Ricky, when you played, there were no
such things as drones, right.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Correct, But we might have had somebody sitting in a
grandstand with a pair of binoculars or something like that.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
But I'm not sure.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
I'm not sure it happened, but it probably did at
some point some of the countries and teams we played.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
For more from Sports Talk, listen live to news talks
it'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Wildergrave
from News Talk Z'B.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Join It Now by Ricky Herbert, former All Whites coach
and player, as we look at the sensational start to
the Olympics where the Canadians have got caught with a
drone over all sorry football ferns training, Recky, Welcome to
the show.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Mate, Thanks Darsie. Great to talk.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Of course, football will be the focus of yourself, being
that you've got quite a history in football. Don't think
I need to go through it, but the big football.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Story today is the spying of a drone by the
Canadian national team looking at the football ferns before they
start on Friday morning.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
This biggars belief, this story, doesn't it. I suppose first question,
being a coach yourself, what do they hope to ascertain
from flying a drone over training?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
What can you actually build?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
What can you get out of that?
Speaker 5 (01:00):
I wouldn't say it's complex, Darsie, but it's quite surreal,
isn't it. I guess just a fundamental roles and responsibilities
of people, and you know the appropriate way of doing things.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I guess and seeking.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
I guess that cutting edge I mean, I don't know
exactly who's done it or what that looks like, but
the context of having a drone across and looking across
other representative countries training sessions is completely inappropriate, and I
think it'll be interesting where that that sort of story
travels to.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
But I mean, what would you see?
Speaker 5 (01:34):
Well, I guess you're going to see or have the
ability to see a range of things depending on what
that training session looks like.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Clearly the secrets.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
What would you see, like stand formation plays that they're
going to go to. What would you pick up if
you were to be in that situation someone gave you
a tape, Ricky, what would you be looking for?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Yeah, I mean it's a It's a great point, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
I guess I'm not assuming that the drones flying around
the bottom of the players and being able to be
up close, but yeah, like I guess the proximity of
where it could get to whatever that looks like. I
don't know even't had the ability to do that, but
look Formation, Yeah, I think you're right. I mean, you
could fly it across. Whether Michael Mains got his team
out and he set it out and he's you know,
whether or not the drone can pick up players, you
(02:15):
know from an identity perspective and what that might look like.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
But I think system is probably more than anything. Really.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
I think, you know, the global world now gives you
the option to understand opposition players and where they play
in strengths and weaknesses, and you know that can be
analyzed across a whole range of videos, et cetera, and
scanning networks. But I guess just to hover something above
to give you that cutting edge, which I think is
completely inappropriate, but that would be probably the number one
(02:44):
outcome if you were brave enough to take that chance.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
They detained the character concerned. As far as punishment goes,
cheating is cheating, right, whether it's at the Ben Johnson
edto the scale or at the scene of the scale.
Did they come down like a ton of bricks? What
kind of punished do you think the Olympic Games should
meet out to this Canadian side?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yeah, what's going to be interesting, isn't it?
Speaker 5 (03:06):
I guess, And again I don't know the full depth
of the situation, but you know, if it's somebody who's
very much connected into that organization, it's going to be
interesting to see where that punishment lies because I can't
say I've heard of d drones flying above on regular basises.
I think I shared with you before, I think last
twelve months. I think I heard something about it somewhere
(03:27):
in some sort of sport whatever that might have been,
But it's not something that happens on a regular basis.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
So it'll be interesting to see.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Where an Olympic committee sits with us and how vigilant
they are and you know, to to ensure that these
things don't occur again. And I see in you know,
sort of in our local press that primarily drones are
banned completely, So you know, we could be a fan
who's going across to watch New Zealand play and flies
across somebody else's turf. You know we're going to be
(03:56):
dealt with that appropriately as well. So yeah, it could
be reasonably severe, to be fair.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
It seems strange though, something so obvious as a drone
would be being used when, as you pointed out the
amount of video playback facility, scouting everything else, You've got
the information you need, So it seems like a real
stretch to gun and what would be a minimal amount
of invitation I'd stretched to say it's stupid, Ricky.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Yeah, look, I wouldn't disagree to ARSI I think, and
you've nailed it. I mean, I guess in my era
we probably didn't have quite the depth of staff that
you have in the modern era now. And I would
suggest that you know, all the teams that are currently
representing their countries proudly at an Olympic Games would have
in depth analysis way prior to a few days out
(04:44):
from a training session and having something hovering you know,
I don't know one hundred menta whatever it is above
the team that could be basically doing something that you're
going to have no benefit in seeing from a training session.
It might be just a warm up, it might be
a simple passing practice, it might be something completely different.
There might not be some strategic opportunity to view something.
So I wouldn't have thought way for this that you know,
(05:07):
the recognition of players and who's got strengths and weaknesses
and how teams play, and I mean, there's worldwide opportunities
to do that, Darcy, So for me, it just doesn't
make sense.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I suppose over arching, Ricky, we talk about the Canadians,
but what effect do you think this will have? On
the football Ferns.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Yeah, look, it'll be interesting probably either go one way
or the other. Darcy.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
I think, you know, you could look at it from
a players perspective to go we've actually put some challenges
in front of this team. If they are up there
putting a drone up and they want to see what
we're doing, we're actually making a bit of a statement
to them. So it can have a dual effect for me.
I don't think I can only go back in my
playing career. I wouldn't you know, it wouldn't have been
(05:48):
a you kind of look at it is kind of nothing,
But like I say, it could be a little bit
twofold here where players go, wow, what's this. We're being
looked at, we're being inspired upon, we're being You could
kind of take it in that context, or you could go,
somebody's trying to have a look at us, so we
must be doing something, or we're improving, or we're looking better,
or we're going to be a challenge to this team,
and they're quite clearly worried about what we could do
(06:12):
in performance in two or three days time. So I'd
be taking the ladder mate, I'd be super positive to
go I kind of think this team's worried about us.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
To be fair, Ricky, when you played, there were no
such things as drones, right.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Correct, But we might have had somebody sitting in a
grandstand with a pair of binoculars or something like that.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
But I'm not sure.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
I'm not sure it happened, but it probably did at
some point some of the countries and teams we played.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
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it'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
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