July 30, 2024 • 42 mins
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Dave Currie - Former Chef de Mission - On the lack of medals at the 2025 Paris Olympics
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
Good evening and welcome, that says news Talks here be.
My name is Darcy Waldergrave, Sports Talk. That's it. He
talkSPORT now through to eight o'clock. When I say we,
I mean myself, my two guests and you, oh eight
one hundred and eighty ten eighty three phone number nationwide. Surprise, surprise.
Our focus is on the Olympic Games and why wouldn't
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it be don't meet the program. I have a yarm
with Pete the Wett Pete davett Well actually asked me.
He said, look on my set of Q, I couldn't
care what you say. The rent to Veth it doesn't matter.
Hec CEO of a trial. Talk to him about the
delay to the men's triathon because of the river Sam
being well basically contaminated.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yuck.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
We'll talk to him later in the peace and I
kick things off of Dave Curry, former New Zealand Chief
mission for three Olympics Games, Olympic Games Athens, Beijing and London,
three comm Games as well and Aparalympics. And he's got
plenty of other feathers and this rather large cap, and
I talk to him on the lack of medals at Paris.
We've been underperforming, so on and so forth around a
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birdseye view of what's happening in the Olympic Games. At
that level of management, we're going to take your calls
about the supposed disappointment by the lack of Olympic medals
and should we be concerned because every day you get up,
if you haven't been watching up all night, you've actually
had a recent one. No have we won any this time? No,
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are we gonna win. He's starting to tense, he's starting
to freak out. He's starting to think, old on, this
is a shambles and a waste of money. Does it
affect you in any way, shape or form. I'll tell
you about my thoughts and then i'll get yours on
one hundred and eighty. But as perir, we won't do
that before we do this sport today, and in sport today,
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the French desire to parade athletes up and down there
Parisian Open drain has bitten them due to the sense
suboptimal post storm water quality. The means event has been
postponed try and zed CEO picked wet looks at the
contingency plans.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
What we'll try trying to do is give themselves a
couple more options by having the men go after the
woman tomorrow and then still has the day on the
second of August as a follow up reserve day as well.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Check check check. Black Fern's sevens player Teres Sidifano has
one cliche Bengo before tomorrow morning's USA clash. To be fair,
she's here to play, not to talk.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
We're trusting the process and we're just taking a one
game at a time, focusing on what we can do
and then at the same time making sure we enjoy
every moment.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Told you why Sodell Harris Devita knows. He knows last
year's efforts built the platform for this season's home game
sellout run. This year's vintage, though, are doing their best
to tear that platform down time to rise to the
demand's team.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
A couple of years ago, if there might not have
been as many fans now, but after what the boys
did last year, there's there's a lot of belief and yeah,
it's it's up to us players to stand up and
continue to improve as a team. So that the fans
got something to be proud of.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
And the New Zealand Olympic Tennis coach Neil Can't has
explained what Lil Soon needs to carry on her rise
up the world rankings.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
You know, she's got some work to do on a game.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
I mean I talked to a coach and she's also
got work to do on a fitness levels as she
gets You need to do a lot of that offseason
to build that based strength and technique reason for her
to be able to compete five weekly year.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, Lulu and doubles partner Aaron Rautlift, we're turfed out
of the women's doubles this morning. Actually should be played out,
shouldn't it really? I'm sorry, and that's sport today. Curry
joins the show now, Dave Curry shift mission across three
Olympic Games, three Commonwealth Games, and he's got a number
of other juicy parts of his CV, shall I put
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it it? Joins us now to discuss the lack of mentals,
to discuss how that affects the team, to discuss a
lot about being a chift mission at the Olympic Games,
what it actually means. Haven't heard from Dave in quite
some time, Dave, Welcome to the program. So how do
you go about addressing the stress of not meddling at
the games?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
You're really you know, the role of the team is
to provide a strong, secure, environment, supportive environments for athletes
to you have the best opportunities shutting themselves in the
world States. So really the focus around that and winning
and losing is not the focus. How do you let
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athletes have committed ten, fifteen, twenty years of their lives
to have the best opportunity to perform. The outcome will
take care of itself if they can have the very
best performance they're capable of. Some will meddle, somewon't. So
that's really the focus. And the fact there's no medals
on the board is not the focus at all.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Really, you look toward the team, I'm presuming expectations KPIs
for one of a better phrase. They don't sit within
that team environment. The expectations around meddling aren't put to
the fall.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
No. I mean, if you think about the team, there's
seventeen sports generally now clearly within those individual sports, and
they're funding arrangements with highformsport in New Zealand and whatever
I mean clearly within that environment, yes there is. But
when the team comes together, I saw our role is
to treat all athletes, whether they had a high expectation
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of meddling or not, to give them all the same
opportunity they have the very best performances they can. And
if you talk to you know, the sports psychologists around,
their advice always to athletes is that all you can
focus on is getting the very best performance out of
yourself if you can. If you're focusing around i've got
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to win a medal, then that's probably the single most
influential thing that will make sure you don't win a
medal because what you were to do it it's it's
a challenge. And there's two hundred and four countries are there.
You know, half of those have got really strong high
performance programs, so you've got you know, the chances of
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reaching an Olympic final all meddling or getting a gold
medal is unbelievably difficult. And so when we've got to
be a bit realistic. In New Zealand with five million people,
there's only so much genetically athletic talent within that five
million people. We've got a whole lot of not Olympic sports.
It's suck a lot of that high performance you know,
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gene pool out. Then we represent seventeen sports of the Olympics.
And the other thing is that it always struck me
when I first got involved that you know, we were
generally the fifteenth or sixteenth largest team at the Olympics
in number, you know, America, China, fifteen New Zealand. So
we then spread the rest of our talent over seventeen sports.
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So you know, we talk about, you know, punching them
of our weight. You know, the ability to do that
across a broad range of sports is extraordinarily difficult. So
I was always in awe of our ability to perform
as we do. And then you know, athletes, we're going
to train for ten fifteen years of their lives before
they know whether any good or not. So it's a
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tough gig. So from a team perspective, you know, there
were no expectations other than how can we provide the
best environment for an athlete to maximize their potential.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Expectation from the general public though, talking about our medals
New Zealand represented, are these expectations overblown? Do you think
people expecting too much.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
You gave for the reasons I've just spoken about, I think, look,
it's not and one of the things that you talk
about in New Zealand New Zealand, I think they're there
medals and it's kind of a double ed sword really
that the team certainly is extraordinarily appreciative and gains energy
and strength and you certainly feel that. I mean, the
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amount of support that the team get them in and messages,
the amount of support and love that comes to the
team is unbelievable. So yes, you know the team feeds
off that and to some extent it probably does heighten
that expectation a little bit. But again, coming back from
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an athlete to the form, all they can do is
focus on their own performance or own preparation, and all
they really focus around is if they know they've done
all they can do in the in the months, in
the years beforehand, and the other challenge of the Olympics
have comes around and do for four years. You know,
there's a lot of times you hear athletes, not just
in New Zealand, athletes generally, God that race has been
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last week. I was on fire. And it doesn't matter
if you're on fire last week on next week, you've
got to be on fire at two o'clock this day.
That's when it matters. And that's that's really hard to do,
is to be extraord You've got to be exactly right
on that particular day. There's no unlike the triathlon has
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put off for a date. You know, you've just got
to get right in that day. So that's really really hard.
And I can understand how the public you know, kind
of you know, they have high expectations, but I think
we've got to be realistic that we're a nation of
five million. We've brought spread ourselves over seventeen or eighty.
In sports at the Olympics, we've only got so much,
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you know, athletic Jean Paul talent, and it's always going
to be tough. So those who do do it unbelievably exceptional.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
We're joined by Dave Curry three times sifty mission for
the Olympic Games. Looking at the Olympics so far from
a New Zealand perspective. The psychological support you touched on
this before, This must be a huge part and it
would have developed I'm sure during your time in charge.
How important is that from a team perspective to make
sure these athletes have got their heads right going into it,
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and more importantly, Dave, when they come out of an
event and they haven't done as well, haven't done as
well as they thought they should have or could have done,
that's a whole new management philosophy I expect.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
You know, that's it's a reality that you know, there's
normally two and twenty athletes and the support staff of
another hundred, So you get a team of three hundred people,
that's the thing, and of all of those, only a
handful are going to meddle, so the majority are likely
to be disappointed. And so we made sure we had
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a whole lot of support around that. Our athletes support
group made up of athletes have been there, done that
understood what high performance is about. Instill into the heights
of it, but also those those depths when things haven't
gone as well as you would have liked and considering
you put ten years of your life into that. And
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so we'd had a very strong team culture and a
team lounge where athletes could it could be provided live
stream of all support into it so they could follow
it all. But also you know, people who could keep
an eye and things hadn't gone as well. There's nothing
you can say to an athlete, you know it's going
to be okay, it's okay, you know you get another
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opportunity at whatever words a meaningless at that stage. All
you can do is put your arms around somebody and
provide some support and just be there and available when
they when they want it. And clearly we have, but
it's really having you know, the people who can provide
the most support or athletes have been there, understand what
it's about and just to be there and provide support.
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And one of the things that was great about the
New Zealand team that all most athletes, even though they
might compete with the first few days, would stay on
for the whole of the games. So we dorink really
hard at one providing that. The ethos as the team was, look,
you're going to get provided with all the support that
we can give you until you compete. But once you've
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competed kind of the trade offers then that you will
provide support to the athletes to still have to compete.
And so the sense of a large family that you
going to be supported and you support others helps to
get over or provide support for those that haven't done
as well. But it is extremely, extremely hard, and you
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can think about fair Weather and fourth is one of
those awful positions to be in, and nothing you can
say to her is going to make that any easier,
other than to know that she's supported and the team
admire her and understand the commitment and sacrifices that she's made,
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and just to be therefore her really.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
Forget the refs call.
Speaker 7 (13:45):
You make the call on.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
Eight Sports Talk on your home of Sport News Talks.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
It's twenty minutes after seven Sports Talker and News Talk
z B. Three times Commonwealth Games Shift the Mission, three
time Olympic Game Shift the Mission, mister Dave Curry joining
us on the program. They're talking about that the lack
of medals, the concern and how that operates within the
context of the team. And there's a guy who should know.
So the question we pose after that around is the
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disappointment at the lack of medals. Now I know why
I am part of the bloody media, and I am
part of the bloody media proudly.
Speaker 8 (14:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
We've got a habit of complaining and winging and bashing
on doors saying it's not good enough. So what we're seeing,
what we're reading, what we're hearing, is when as our
first medal, I want a medal, I want a pony
hasn't happened yet. The disappointment levels amongst the populace. Now,
is this something driven by us? Or is this what
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you out there? I think these people are, after all,
representing us. They are the sport they probably just represented themselves.
Don't matter so much some sports where it's all about
the firm, But the Olympic Games, it's about us. They
are representing the people of our nation, which is us.
So of course we're vested. Of course we've got skin
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in this games, our tax payer money that sent them
over there. Right, So I understand why people might be
getting a little shirty by not picking up a medal
yet and possibly thinking that the players and the athletes
and the teams sent over they just weren't good enough.
Maybe we shouldn't have sent them there in the first place.
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Is this depressing? Distressing, insulting, upsetting? No, it's not. It's
not for me anyway. Tell me I'm wrong. I mean,
you can't change my mind, but you can tell me
you disappointed if you want. I just don't think it is.
When you look across at all of the events that
New Zealand teams have competed and New zeal individuals have
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competed them so far, there is one outstanding disappointment, one
outstanding disappointment, and I think a lot of us could
see that coming because we knew how to tight and
how close the men's sevens was going to be. We
knew that globally there are a lot of teams very good,
who on there given day in that fourteen minutes can
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roll a good team. I think we dared to think
we might get into a gold medal match, might silver,
maybe bronze, and it didn't go that far. In fact,
they got knocked out before the real pointed in. That
to me was the only disappointment so far. I don't
think we had too much hopes for any other competitors.
I think we can be proud of of Erica Fairweather
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and what she has done and where she's turned up
twenty years old swimming to get some legendary fish. I
don't know if we thought their questions would do much
better than they have, but I've really enjoyed watching it,
except for that woman's accent traves me nuts, but Tassie
sounds is not her fault. The football funds that we
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really think they were going to break the house down, No,
because we didn't, but they did provide a huge amount
of entertainment at the start, with those canniving Canadians causing
a rucasol around them. Ollie Whites, I don't think expectations
of them are particularly high. Our hockey players haven't gone
so well, but this has been a constant of the
last few years, and he's ill on. Hockey's never really
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dashed forward from where they were. They've just kind of
maintained a constant. I can't be disappointed because I don't
think we had expectations enough to be disappointed. And this
is not bad. I'm not downplaying or being critical about
these athletes. This is a global stage and they're not
the best, and that's okay. That's all right. Gays may
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be slightly disappointed, but there's tough Where's our hope coming
from the Rowers and Lisa Carrington. That's where it sits now.
Maybe the forty nine ers. There's a couple of events
we maybe might I'm not concerned, but I want to
know what you think you're disappointed by the lack of
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medals so far. Does this bother you? Does this upset you?
Don't bother me. I'm just loving the games. What the
games are? Twenty five minutes up. Seven lines are open.
This is News TALKSZB. Give us a ring. Oh eight
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Speaker 6 (18:23):
You hear it from the biggest names in sports, and
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Speaker 2 (18:40):
Seven twenty eight Sports Talk care on News TALKSB lines open. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty disappointed no medals yet?
Are you freaking out? Are you worried? Can you point
a figure where you shouldn't? It's going fine, Thank you
very much. Let's get to the callers, and we're joined
now by Jason.
Speaker 8 (19:00):
Hello, Oh Darcy, good day. H Scroll back a few years.
I think it was day four and mud have been
day five when we got our first gold medal, and
we're in the same state of panic as we are now.
So no, I'm not.
Speaker 7 (19:14):
I'm not worried.
Speaker 8 (19:17):
Of all the ones that have gone before, only the
swimmer really would probably say let us down. I'm interested
in your thoughts.
Speaker 7 (19:26):
You know, why didn't we do what front.
Speaker 9 (19:30):
It?
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Swimmer?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Well, like she won the World Champs grunted, but some
of the biggest fastest fish weren't there.
Speaker 7 (19:39):
Like the rock star, the male swimmer, I think.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Isn't he I think he's back in the water again
turning to meet a butterfly. He too about nine o'clock tonight.
Speaker 8 (19:51):
So yeah, but we were hearing all these things pre
his event, his favorite that he was smashing.
Speaker 7 (19:57):
All these world records.
Speaker 8 (19:59):
We heard also on the news that he was doing
these times that were above the other competitors. And I
got a bit sus on because I think, you know,
you don't win a medal on the training poll, right,
so let's just scout that. But let's just take I'm
keen on your view on this because I know you're
a massive over ball supporter. Why didn't we do what
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France did with Pond? Why didn't we stack a few
of our All Black stars in the in the in
the in the football sevens for the All Blacks, there's been.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
A disconnect between the sevens and the Olympic side and
the ends yet are remember that a number of years
ago the team said look, we'd like some super players
or some All Blacks, but they weren't going to be
released all late on the piece. So the people running
the All Blacks seven so that's not good enough. They
need to be sevens fit and they're not going to
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be sevens fit unless give them to us. So basically
what it means is these guys that to step down
from Super Rugby, which means put them in a very
dodgy position to get selected for the All Blacks. And
when they looked at it, they went, you know what,
I'd rather be an All Black than a seven's gold medalsine.
We didn't have that back in the day with the
Christian Cullens and Jonah Lomu's and the like that. So
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we've got this, and we talked Gordon Titchens, Sir Gordon
Titchens on the show last week about this and about
what they need to do to get at pont like
character involved, and he was a horrible scent behind it,
said something has to happen. We have got the pace
out there and we've got some big, strong, fast men.
So maybe do you remember when Caleb Clark decided to
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cash he lost as All Black spot and played terb
and didn't get in the team in the end.
Speaker 8 (21:38):
Oh, I can remember that time they put Jonah and
Christian Cullen and the Hong Kong sevens, and between two
of them under the post they won the tournament for us.
Just on there too, you know, they were under the post,
under the pump and between them they interchange and won
the whole tournament. I mean, you can't tell me three
or four of our all blacks?
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Well the question ja now, yeah, no, absolutely they would
and thanks for your call. The thing is is that
they have to come to an agreement with ns that
are and with the players around how much time they
don't play in super rugby because they need to be
seven's fit to play decent sevens. And yes, I think
a lot of us would like to see some of
our fastest, biggest all blacks involved. It's seven thirty one
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News Talks.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
It'd the Olympic Games News Update.
Speaker 10 (22:19):
And Triathlet's at the Paris Olympics have woken up to
the news the men's tries been postponed due to unacceptable
water quality and the river's seen It was set to
get underway about ninety minutes ago. The Trithlon now delayed
until eight forty five tomorrow night for the men's straight
after the women's event. New Zealand's rowers are back on
the water tonight in Betweg leading the charge and the
women's single skulls quarter finals. Men's a scull at Tom
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McIntosh has his quarter final after eight before the women's
double and the men's double have their semi final. Trapshooter
Owen Robinson has his first two rounds of qualification this
evening from half past eight, needing to finish inside the
top six to advance. Lewis Claibert, Cameron Gray and Eve
Thomas all in the pool and their heats this morning
from nine o'clock and looking ahead. The women's sevens played
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their semi final against the USA at half past one
at Star de France, and the men's footballers among the
the teams in action against France at five eight m
I'm Elliott Smith on News Talks. There be official radio
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Watch the New Zealanders and the Rolling on Skysport Paris seven,
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Speaker 2 (23:19):
Back to you, Darcy, I'm your Elliott. Thanks for that
it is seven and thirty two. Back to the phone,
So we go at eight one hundred and eighty ten
eighty Conrad good evening.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
Yeah, Hi, Based on history, public dissputations are totally unrealistic.
I mean, if you look at nineteen ninety two, Barbara
Kendall was the only gold medalist. Halfway through the two
thousand Olympics, four Homes was over there asking the same
question as you are, well, you're never gold middle yet,
and we were switting on Rob Woodell having to win
a gold weddal for US four in.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Sydney day nine. It was day nine in Sydney before
New Zealand won their first medal, day.
Speaker 7 (23:59):
Nine, and that was the only one. So thinks back right,
ninety two one gold medal entirely, two thousand and one
gold entirely. I think seventy sixty one maybe possibly too,
I know the hockey and seventy two. I'm pretty sure
there was only the one with the rowing ape. We're
we're there's all these ideas now on a second point
to do with you know kind of like a lot
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of it comes down to fantastic individuals, which which choose
amounts of money, doesn't necessarily guarantee. I mean Dan can
load it. I mean that's once in the generation stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah, and it doesn't matter what kind of money or
appreciate you put along. It's within the athlete at the time.
And that's why it's so hard. It's one event every
four years that the best in the world are attempting
to peak four to two.
Speaker 9 (24:43):
It's yeah like.
Speaker 7 (24:45):
This, yeah, yeah for the French tennis the French tennis people,
they have Kip some money, they keep some money into it.
They haven't had a Grand Sam Championship yet. No nine
eighty three.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
And I'm pretty sorry, tom rade, but no, that's the point,
like like like anyway back to the Olympics.
Speaker 7 (25:06):
Yeah, so yeah, that's my point. Thanks Darsie.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah, hey, no, comrade, thanks very much for calling. Interestingly.
In Athens, it took eight days before New Zealand's medal, right,
eight days Beijing eight days and then they had that
ridiculous Super Saturday where the everswind Down won gold and
val Adams won gold and Ruleston won a silver and
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there are a hand for a couple of bronzes as well.
It takes a while. Nine days, two thousand, eight days,
two thousand and four, eight days two thousand and eight,
got a bit quicker after that. Four days in twenty
twelve and London, three days in ak and Rio and
what was it and took you? I think it was
six days in there as well. So I mean, no
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one can guarantee it's going to happen. Well that it
will happen, but it's not going to happen just when
we want it right, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty lines. I'll open this newstalk's eb is twenty five
minutes to eight, still to come on the program, More
of you, More of me and peaked Wet Triath on
New Zealand CEO on Paris's open sewer, which turns out
it's not the smartest thnu to put swimmers in. No really.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
Myself, all I do is were.
Speaker 11 (26:27):
Wi me in on that?
Speaker 2 (26:28):
And what money on my cutle Andrew, I'm talking nady
producer of the program of a fine producer is too.
It's twenty one minutes to eight. Gold Sports take a listen.
Emma Twig is about to launch is in the single
skull for women quarter final three in lane at three.
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So if you want to climb on board that gold sport.
As we you will find that action Tom Macintosh is
going to have a crack two just after eight in
these single skulls. Right, let's get back to the phones again,
Terry High.
Speaker 11 (27:06):
I think a lot of these landors shouldn't be critical
of the lack of medals. I was involved and still
am involved in competitive pistol shooting. I spent many years
built out to the Sydney Olympics and then prior to
the Beijing Olympics, a group of US went to Beijing
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about a week and a half before because the Chinese
wanted to know how New Zealanders could shoot to the
levels that we shoot without doing their work that the
Chinese do. So what this means is, and this is
across the board with most sports in China, for example,
they would select out of thousands of people the best
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that they thought they had to work with. That you
would go to shooting school, you would live on site,
you would train for six days a week, you'd had
half a day off or a half day off, and
you got half a day of education. And that was
how they got to select their best shooters. Now, they
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from a coaching point of view, still want us to
know how New Zealanders like Greg gallobich and and others
that shot well at commerce Games level, how they could
get to that level was still holding down a normal job,
because most New Zealand athletes across the board have to
work to survive and still excel to get medals. So
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I think we should be very supportive of all athletes.
I've heard some pretty negative talk in the last week
about money spent on athletes. Compared with most other countries
around the world, New Zealand spends very little on US athletes,
so we do very well for the medals we do get,
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all right, yep.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
No, I think we do as well and I don't
have an issue at all. Terry, thanks for your call
around the presumed lack of success because the expectations I
don't think of sky high. Look Hamish Kirtman. Here's a guy,
maybe maybe the Welsh character. Maybe you look at that
and go, hey, maybe Carrington's probably the one that carries
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all of it, I would suggest. And the women's sevens
who are playing tomorrow morning. Otherwise, I don't know how
many showings there actually are, so I don't know. I
don't think we can be too critical. Hey, Lyle.
Speaker 9 (29:32):
I might look in regards to the swimming. I was
listening to a man in New Zealand station this morning
and they had somebody very high up in the cell
and swimming the next champion. And he said to me
that the whole of New Zealand there's only four fifty
meter pools. And the male bloke you guys had over there,
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who was in the middle, he had to leave Wellington.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Clear, Actually they wouldn't let him climb train to move.
Speaker 9 (30:03):
Yees right, and there was the pools cut on half
of the bowl. You had to keep doing. That's bangles
and falls. Well, I'm here on the Gold Case and
I did a quick search, right, and this is just
the Gold Case, not Southeast Queens And we have eleven
Olympic sized swimming polls and middlely our climate is conducive
to people wanting to swim and get in the water.
(30:24):
But you know that's just an area that spans only
sixty kilometers. We've got eleven Olympic sized swimming pools. So
it's not lack of ability in New Zealand athletes, it's
just lack of facilities in regular competition. I think you're
going to start seeing from me your swimmers to train
here because we produce great swimmers, it's great cricket, it's
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obviously good run league players, but it's going to be
very hard. What I'm saying is if you took any
athletes from even Australia and slapped them into the New
Zealand system, they're going to struggle to be able to
reproduce the form.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
And I think you make a really good point. There
really interesting numbers around the amount and the side of
the polls that are over there in Australia. Yeah, they
do very very well. I think, well, Han, they're by sea,
so are we. It seems a little warmer than ours,
but they do particularly well. Let's get to our next caller, Neil,
(31:22):
Hello o today.
Speaker 12 (31:24):
So I heard subtly through the last half hour criticism
of the men's sevens. Well, if you'd excuse the ramblings
of an older generation, we grew up with without the sevens,
and to have them at all means that those guys
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training at they're taken from other rugby avenues and they
have to train specifically for seven aside.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
They're going to be seven very different.
Speaker 12 (31:58):
Seven's training rather than all black training. They have to retrain,
you know, they have to redo the whole thing. And
I thought our rugby nation was known for consistency, confluency,
conflagration in the sense of sudden speed and snatching something
(32:19):
out of nowhere. She is skill, bravery, intelligence, those sort
of things, you know, and to have a side we
should be so proud of them. Really, you know, I
don't think that.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Anyone really thought that they thought that of a chance
maybe of winning goal. But there are so many things
and men that are of a level in such a
short game that can actually on what we hammered, well
not hammered, but beat the blitz bocker and then they
came back in that second round beat us again. It's
a very strange situation. But how do think being over
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critical now, I just don't think they're of that level.
If we had a number of maybe high speed, big
fast all blacks involved, maybe, but they can't do it
because they can't do two things at the same time.
Speaker 12 (33:04):
But how much of that is looking at other teams
and going, oh, look at that tall, strong fast United
States play?
Speaker 2 (33:13):
You know, No, it's not because we don't look at
the and say what haven't we got? We look at
what we've got and go, okay, where are we lacking
and how does that work? And we've got the out
and out speed the gas. That's what has to happen.
And sevens is about speed. It's also about dexterity, physical
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strength and ability to think extraordinarily fast on your feet.
The remember, I think that's close at the top. It
really is. So I can say they're a disappointment because
I think a few of us thought maybe maybe a medal,
but then to get knocked out when they did that
was a wee bit of a slap I think for
all of us. Let's run through a couple of texts
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now nineteen ninety two. That is z B z B Darcy.
Can I give a big shout out to the gold
sport crew and the z B grew great job of
the games, loving it, Baddy and Jack. Of course you
can hard working crew that they are. Darcy. Here's the kegger.
I don't want to add a bloody rugby or seven's medal.
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I want medals and other sports. I'm sicker relying on rugby,
sorry Herman, Darcy. Countries usually want to showcase their best
at the Olympics. France showed the world that the river
through their capital is an open sewer. True that, Steve True.
That coming up next, let's talk more about that open
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sewer Peak The Wet triath in New Zealand CEO joins
the show. This garment man FA we join now on
sports talk here on news Talk zeb B by Pete
the Wet. He runs the show and it comes to
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triathon in New Zealand in Paris currently, and I suppose that, well,
are you treading water? Excuse the pun peep with Wat's
it happened at delay in the triathon? Not ideal? Tell
us what you know and how this built? And thank you?
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Yeah, yeah, so absolutely treading water and certainly disappointed with
the outcome this morning. But were this morning in Paris afternoons,
you guys. But we've been pretty well briefed this whole
time around the challenges with water quality, and obviously the
rainfall that happened in and around the opening ceremony didn't
help things. So the water quality has generally been improving
(35:38):
day by day, but unfortunately not at the level that
we needed to be for the ment event to go
ahead today. So yeah, not an ideal scenariot ought to
be fair as.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Far as predicting this, I'm presuming you and the team
knew that this was likely with the rain that happened
in the opening ceremony, So this is not a massive
surprise yet.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
No, not necessarily, And to be fair, I mean, we've
known that the water equality has been a challenge for
a while, so that's always been in the back of
my mind as far as preparation is concerned, and certainly
from an athlete's perspective, they've been aware of that as well.
And excuse the pun had to remain fluid as well,
So I think, you know, yeah, it's not an ideal situation,
(36:21):
but you know it's not like we've woken up this
morning and gone, oh my god, we didn't see this coming.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
How do the athletes cope with this? That they know
what's coming and they know what's happening, and plainly that
the women haven't been delayed as yet, but the men,
what space are they in to actually be at their
best when they thought it was going to be like
six o'clock south of New Zealand time, but they're going
to move it out twenty four hours. Is that problematic
for these athletes?
Speaker 4 (36:48):
Not necessarily, I mean we've got a resilient bunch to
be fair, and you know, like I said, they were
aware that this could be a reality. I think that
they will probably be surprised with the fact that it's
been moved to tomorrow after the.
Speaker 13 (37:01):
Women's event, because the second of August was.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Always penciled in as a day where we would have
the event moved too, should it be postponed. So I
think what we'll try trying to do is give themselves
a couple of more options by having the men go
after the woman tomorrow and then still has the day
on the second of August is as follow follow up reserve.
Speaker 13 (37:25):
Day as well.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Yeah, I can't for to you, Pete that it will
actually remain two triathlons as opposed to a truncated version,
which I think is the fear of a lot of
people that the basic energy of triathm will disappear if
you take one of the disciplines out.
Speaker 13 (37:39):
Yeah, certainly will do.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
And I think that's why, you know, credit to the
Paris Organizing Committee and we'll try it one for having
the flexibility.
Speaker 13 (37:48):
To do this. As you can imagine, the knock on effect.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Is fairly significant from a broadcast perspective, there's going to
be a whole lot of people doing a whole lot
of stuff today to try and make sure that the
events ready for tomorrow. Whereas you know you had you
had grandstands full of ticketed, ticketed patrons for a woman's
event tomorrow, then I need to reading the whole ticketing
plan and then bring all that all the people who
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were in with tickets for the men to ben afterwards.
So there's going to be a whole lot of work
that's going to be done behind the scenes. But again
I think that we always knew that this was potentially
going to be a challenge in Sodo World Tripped and
the Paris of without the committee, so they'll have scenario two, three, four, five,
and six up their sleeves and hopefully we can activate
it as quickly as possible.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
I suppose anything. Peter underlines the frailty of the decision
to put it in the scene anyway, and this was
something that was objected to globally, but they went ahead anyway.
Now we're in that position, do you think maybe the
organizing committee might be going, you know what, we actually
messed this one up.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Potentially, But I don't think that they're going to say
anything like that right now.
Speaker 13 (38:54):
I think they'll wait for.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
The games to happen and they'll do their post of
interviews and I hazard a guess that that might be
the outcome.
Speaker 13 (39:01):
I think at the end of the day, this was
always meant to be a.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Legacy project for the city. You know, there was a
real willingness to have during the summer Parisian swimming in
the same and that's what they were hoping to achieve here.
So whether that's going to be a reality going forward
is yet to be seen. But I think that they'll
take stock at the end of the games and hopefully
arrive at an out come that they're prepared to talk about.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Is there still a chance peat that it will actually
be reduced and the triade no longer is a try?
Is that still very distinct? Do you believe.
Speaker 13 (39:37):
It's a reality? If?
Speaker 4 (39:38):
On the so, if the water quality doesn't improve by
tomorrow and they then have to postpone the men's and
a women's events to the second of August, if the
water quality doesn't improve by the second of August, then
it will revert to a US fun which which is
certainly not something that would be overly pleaced with. But
we're you know again, our ATA has been aware the
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whole time that they could potentially be a reality. That's
not something that they've prepared for, preparing for a travel
all along, and you know, so that that's what they'll continue,
excuse me, continue to pre prepare for. But the reality
is that on the second of August, the Ford equality
hasn't improved. If the events get moved tomorrow, then it
could be reduced to a geos.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
When it comes to the strengths of the four that
we have over there in both the means and that
the women's try taking it back to address on Does
that give any advantage to our athletes in particular?
Speaker 4 (40:37):
I guess the only advantage would potentially be for Haveden
because the swim is probably is his weakest discipline, although
he's made significant strides over the last three or four
months in that area. But at the end of the day,
you know, if you if you medal under a d flon,
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there's always going to be an asterisk against that medal,
so you'd rather not have that happen. So yeah, you know,
fingers crossed, we can get both these events done tomorrow and.
Speaker 13 (41:10):
Celebrate some success from New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Hey, thanks very much, Peak to Weed their CEO of
try in Zi Let's walk across and Malcolm Jordan now
to take in the last few undimeters of the single
skollars quarterfinal, who.
Speaker 14 (41:21):
Are flexing their muscles in the women's single skulls in
the early stages of this day of competition, an important
one for New Zealand. A boat and a half length
now for it between Emma Twig and her opposition from Switzerland,
who I mentioned is a first time Olympian at age
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twenty and she did put some heat on early on.
But Emma Twig, the reigning Olympic champion, is now showing
what she's worth, wanting back to back gold medals in
the single skulls, just like mahe Drysdale achieved in twenty
twelve and twenty sixteen. Anything you can do, Mahey, No,
(42:04):
I might not become a mayor, but I'd like back
to back gold beatles.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
And then go with race is still going on a
gold sport if you want to listen to the end
of that. Looks like Emma Twig is pretty comfortable here
by thirteen meters. Top three from all go three to
the semi files onto the final and it does. Thanks
for BRIGGI coming to ask you all to go catch.
Speaker 10 (42:22):
It a bor bye.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
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it be don't meet the program. I have a yarm
with Pete the Wett Pete davett Well actually asked me.
He said, look on my set of Q, I couldn't
care what you say. The rent to Veth it doesn't matter.
Hec CEO of a trial. Talk to him about the
delay to the men's triathon because of the river Sam
being well basically contaminated.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yuck.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
We'll talk to him later in the peace and I
kick things off of Dave Curry, former New Zealand Chief
mission for three Olympics Games, Olympic Games Athens, Beijing and London,
three comm Games as well and Aparalympics. And he's got
plenty of other feathers and this rather large cap, and
I talk to him on the lack of medals at Paris.
We've been underperforming, so on and so forth around a
(01:43):
birdseye view of what's happening in the Olympic Games. At
that level of management, we're going to take your calls
about the supposed disappointment by the lack of Olympic medals
and should we be concerned because every day you get up,
if you haven't been watching up all night, you've actually
had a recent one. No have we won any this time? No,
(02:04):
are we gonna win. He's starting to tense, he's starting
to freak out. He's starting to think, old on, this
is a shambles and a waste of money. Does it
affect you in any way, shape or form. I'll tell
you about my thoughts and then i'll get yours on
one hundred and eighty. But as perir, we won't do
that before we do this sport today, and in sport today,
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the French desire to parade athletes up and down there
Parisian Open drain has bitten them due to the sense
suboptimal post storm water quality. The means event has been
postponed try and zed CEO picked wet looks at the
contingency plans.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
What we'll try trying to do is give themselves a
couple more options by having the men go after the
woman tomorrow and then still has the day on the
second of August as a follow up reserve day as well.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Check check check. Black Fern's sevens player Teres Sidifano has
one cliche Bengo before tomorrow morning's USA clash. To be fair,
she's here to play, not to talk.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
We're trusting the process and we're just taking a one
game at a time, focusing on what we can do
and then at the same time making sure we enjoy
every moment.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Told you why Sodell Harris Devita knows. He knows last
year's efforts built the platform for this season's home game
sellout run. This year's vintage, though, are doing their best
to tear that platform down time to rise to the
demand's team.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
A couple of years ago, if there might not have
been as many fans now, but after what the boys
did last year, there's there's a lot of belief and yeah,
it's it's up to us players to stand up and
continue to improve as a team. So that the fans
got something to be proud of.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
And the New Zealand Olympic Tennis coach Neil Can't has
explained what Lil Soon needs to carry on her rise
up the world rankings.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
You know, she's got some work to do on a game.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
I mean I talked to a coach and she's also
got work to do on a fitness levels as she
gets You need to do a lot of that offseason
to build that based strength and technique reason for her
to be able to compete five weekly year.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, Lulu and doubles partner Aaron Rautlift, we're turfed out
of the women's doubles this morning. Actually should be played out,
shouldn't it really? I'm sorry, and that's sport today. Curry
joins the show now, Dave Curry shift mission across three
Olympic Games, three Commonwealth Games, and he's got a number
of other juicy parts of his CV, shall I put
(04:34):
it it? Joins us now to discuss the lack of mentals,
to discuss how that affects the team, to discuss a
lot about being a chift mission at the Olympic Games,
what it actually means. Haven't heard from Dave in quite
some time, Dave, Welcome to the program. So how do
you go about addressing the stress of not meddling at
the games?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
You're really you know, the role of the team is
to provide a strong, secure, environment, supportive environments for athletes
to you have the best opportunities shutting themselves in the
world States. So really the focus around that and winning
and losing is not the focus. How do you let
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athletes have committed ten, fifteen, twenty years of their lives
to have the best opportunity to perform. The outcome will
take care of itself if they can have the very
best performance they're capable of. Some will meddle, somewon't. So
that's really the focus. And the fact there's no medals
on the board is not the focus at all.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Really, you look toward the team, I'm presuming expectations KPIs
for one of a better phrase. They don't sit within
that team environment. The expectations around meddling aren't put to
the fall.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
No. I mean, if you think about the team, there's
seventeen sports generally now clearly within those individual sports, and
they're funding arrangements with highformsport in New Zealand and whatever
I mean clearly within that environment, yes there is. But
when the team comes together, I saw our role is
to treat all athletes, whether they had a high expectation
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of meddling or not, to give them all the same
opportunity they have the very best performances they can. And
if you talk to you know, the sports psychologists around,
their advice always to athletes is that all you can
focus on is getting the very best performance out of
yourself if you can. If you're focusing around i've got
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to win a medal, then that's probably the single most
influential thing that will make sure you don't win a
medal because what you were to do it it's it's
a challenge. And there's two hundred and four countries are there.
You know, half of those have got really strong high
performance programs, so you've got you know, the chances of
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reaching an Olympic final all meddling or getting a gold
medal is unbelievably difficult. And so when we've got to
be a bit realistic. In New Zealand with five million people,
there's only so much genetically athletic talent within that five
million people. We've got a whole lot of not Olympic sports.
It's suck a lot of that high performance you know,
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gene pool out. Then we represent seventeen sports of the Olympics.
And the other thing is that it always struck me
when I first got involved that you know, we were
generally the fifteenth or sixteenth largest team at the Olympics
in number, you know, America, China, fifteen New Zealand. So
we then spread the rest of our talent over seventeen sports.
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So you know, we talk about, you know, punching them
of our weight. You know, the ability to do that
across a broad range of sports is extraordinarily difficult. So
I was always in awe of our ability to perform
as we do. And then you know, athletes, we're going
to train for ten fifteen years of their lives before
they know whether any good or not. So it's a
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tough gig. So from a team perspective, you know, there
were no expectations other than how can we provide the
best environment for an athlete to maximize their potential.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Expectation from the general public though, talking about our medals
New Zealand represented, are these expectations overblown? Do you think
people expecting too much.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
You gave for the reasons I've just spoken about, I think, look,
it's not and one of the things that you talk
about in New Zealand New Zealand, I think they're there
medals and it's kind of a double ed sword really
that the team certainly is extraordinarily appreciative and gains energy
and strength and you certainly feel that. I mean, the
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amount of support that the team get them in and messages,
the amount of support and love that comes to the
team is unbelievable. So yes, you know the team feeds
off that and to some extent it probably does heighten
that expectation a little bit. But again, coming back from
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an athlete to the form, all they can do is
focus on their own performance or own preparation, and all
they really focus around is if they know they've done
all they can do in the in the months, in
the years beforehand, and the other challenge of the Olympics
have comes around and do for four years. You know,
there's a lot of times you hear athletes, not just
in New Zealand, athletes generally, God that race has been
(09:35):
last week. I was on fire. And it doesn't matter
if you're on fire last week on next week, you've
got to be on fire at two o'clock this day.
That's when it matters. And that's that's really hard to do,
is to be extraord You've got to be exactly right
on that particular day. There's no unlike the triathlon has
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put off for a date. You know, you've just got
to get right in that day. So that's really really hard.
And I can understand how the public you know, kind
of you know, they have high expectations, but I think
we've got to be realistic that we're a nation of
five million. We've brought spread ourselves over seventeen or eighty.
In sports at the Olympics, we've only got so much,
(10:20):
you know, athletic Jean Paul talent, and it's always going
to be tough. So those who do do it unbelievably exceptional.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
We're joined by Dave Curry three times sifty mission for
the Olympic Games. Looking at the Olympics so far from
a New Zealand perspective. The psychological support you touched on
this before, This must be a huge part and it
would have developed I'm sure during your time in charge.
How important is that from a team perspective to make
sure these athletes have got their heads right going into it,
(10:52):
and more importantly, Dave, when they come out of an
event and they haven't done as well, haven't done as
well as they thought they should have or could have done,
that's a whole new management philosophy I expect.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
You know, that's it's a reality that you know, there's
normally two and twenty athletes and the support staff of
another hundred, So you get a team of three hundred people,
that's the thing, and of all of those, only a
handful are going to meddle, so the majority are likely
to be disappointed. And so we made sure we had
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a whole lot of support around that. Our athletes support
group made up of athletes have been there, done that
understood what high performance is about. Instill into the heights
of it, but also those those depths when things haven't
gone as well as you would have liked and considering
you put ten years of your life into that. And
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so we'd had a very strong team culture and a
team lounge where athletes could it could be provided live
stream of all support into it so they could follow
it all. But also you know, people who could keep
an eye and things hadn't gone as well. There's nothing
you can say to an athlete, you know it's going
to be okay, it's okay, you know you get another
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opportunity at whatever words a meaningless at that stage. All
you can do is put your arms around somebody and
provide some support and just be there and available when
they when they want it. And clearly we have, but
it's really having you know, the people who can provide
the most support or athletes have been there, understand what
it's about and just to be there and provide support.
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And one of the things that was great about the
New Zealand team that all most athletes, even though they
might compete with the first few days, would stay on
for the whole of the games. So we dorink really
hard at one providing that. The ethos as the team was, look,
you're going to get provided with all the support that
we can give you until you compete. But once you've
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competed kind of the trade offers then that you will
provide support to the athletes to still have to compete.
And so the sense of a large family that you
going to be supported and you support others helps to
get over or provide support for those that haven't done
as well. But it is extremely, extremely hard, and you
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can think about fair Weather and fourth is one of
those awful positions to be in, and nothing you can
say to her is going to make that any easier,
other than to know that she's supported and the team
admire her and understand the commitment and sacrifices that she's made,
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and just to be therefore her really.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
Forget the refs call.
Speaker 7 (13:45):
You make the call on.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
Eight Sports Talk on your home of Sport News Talks.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
It's twenty minutes after seven Sports Talker and News Talk
z B. Three times Commonwealth Games Shift the Mission, three
time Olympic Game Shift the Mission, mister Dave Curry joining
us on the program. They're talking about that the lack
of medals, the concern and how that operates within the
context of the team. And there's a guy who should know.
So the question we pose after that around is the
(14:19):
disappointment at the lack of medals. Now I know why
I am part of the bloody media, and I am
part of the bloody media proudly.
Speaker 8 (14:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
We've got a habit of complaining and winging and bashing
on doors saying it's not good enough. So what we're seeing,
what we're reading, what we're hearing, is when as our
first medal, I want a medal, I want a pony
hasn't happened yet. The disappointment levels amongst the populace. Now,
is this something driven by us? Or is this what
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you out there? I think these people are, after all,
representing us. They are the sport they probably just represented themselves.
Don't matter so much some sports where it's all about
the firm, But the Olympic Games, it's about us. They
are representing the people of our nation, which is us.
So of course we're vested. Of course we've got skin
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in this games, our tax payer money that sent them
over there. Right, So I understand why people might be
getting a little shirty by not picking up a medal
yet and possibly thinking that the players and the athletes
and the teams sent over they just weren't good enough.
Maybe we shouldn't have sent them there in the first place.
(15:32):
Is this depressing? Distressing, insulting, upsetting? No, it's not. It's
not for me anyway. Tell me I'm wrong. I mean,
you can't change my mind, but you can tell me
you disappointed if you want. I just don't think it is.
When you look across at all of the events that
New Zealand teams have competed and New zeal individuals have
(15:53):
competed them so far, there is one outstanding disappointment, one
outstanding disappointment, and I think a lot of us could
see that coming because we knew how to tight and
how close the men's sevens was going to be. We
knew that globally there are a lot of teams very good,
who on there given day in that fourteen minutes can
(16:16):
roll a good team. I think we dared to think
we might get into a gold medal match, might silver,
maybe bronze, and it didn't go that far. In fact,
they got knocked out before the real pointed in. That
to me was the only disappointment so far. I don't
think we had too much hopes for any other competitors.
I think we can be proud of of Erica Fairweather
(16:38):
and what she has done and where she's turned up
twenty years old swimming to get some legendary fish. I
don't know if we thought their questions would do much
better than they have, but I've really enjoyed watching it,
except for that woman's accent traves me nuts, but Tassie
sounds is not her fault. The football funds that we
(16:59):
really think they were going to break the house down, No,
because we didn't, but they did provide a huge amount
of entertainment at the start, with those canniving Canadians causing
a rucasol around them. Ollie Whites, I don't think expectations
of them are particularly high. Our hockey players haven't gone
so well, but this has been a constant of the
last few years, and he's ill on. Hockey's never really
(17:19):
dashed forward from where they were. They've just kind of
maintained a constant. I can't be disappointed because I don't
think we had expectations enough to be disappointed. And this
is not bad. I'm not downplaying or being critical about
these athletes. This is a global stage and they're not
the best, and that's okay. That's all right. Gays may
(17:44):
be slightly disappointed, but there's tough Where's our hope coming
from the Rowers and Lisa Carrington. That's where it sits now.
Maybe the forty nine ers. There's a couple of events
we maybe might I'm not concerned, but I want to
know what you think you're disappointed by the lack of
(18:05):
medals so far. Does this bother you? Does this upset you?
Don't bother me. I'm just loving the games. What the
games are? Twenty five minutes up. Seven lines are open.
This is News TALKSZB. Give us a ring. Oh eight
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Speaker 6 (18:23):
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Speaker 2 (18:40):
Seven twenty eight Sports Talk care on News TALKSB lines open. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty disappointed no medals yet?
Are you freaking out? Are you worried? Can you point
a figure where you shouldn't? It's going fine, Thank you
very much. Let's get to the callers, and we're joined
now by Jason.
Speaker 8 (19:00):
Hello, Oh Darcy, good day. H Scroll back a few years.
I think it was day four and mud have been
day five when we got our first gold medal, and
we're in the same state of panic as we are now.
So no, I'm not.
Speaker 7 (19:14):
I'm not worried.
Speaker 8 (19:17):
Of all the ones that have gone before, only the
swimmer really would probably say let us down. I'm interested
in your thoughts.
Speaker 7 (19:26):
You know, why didn't we do what front.
Speaker 9 (19:30):
It?
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Swimmer?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Well, like she won the World Champs grunted, but some
of the biggest fastest fish weren't there.
Speaker 7 (19:39):
Like the rock star, the male swimmer, I think.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Isn't he I think he's back in the water again
turning to meet a butterfly. He too about nine o'clock tonight.
Speaker 8 (19:51):
So yeah, but we were hearing all these things pre
his event, his favorite that he was smashing.
Speaker 7 (19:57):
All these world records.
Speaker 8 (19:59):
We heard also on the news that he was doing
these times that were above the other competitors. And I
got a bit sus on because I think, you know,
you don't win a medal on the training poll, right,
so let's just scout that. But let's just take I'm
keen on your view on this because I know you're
a massive over ball supporter. Why didn't we do what
(20:19):
France did with Pond? Why didn't we stack a few
of our All Black stars in the in the in
the in the football sevens for the All Blacks, there's been.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
A disconnect between the sevens and the Olympic side and
the ends yet are remember that a number of years
ago the team said look, we'd like some super players
or some All Blacks, but they weren't going to be
released all late on the piece. So the people running
the All Blacks seven so that's not good enough. They
need to be sevens fit and they're not going to
(20:51):
be sevens fit unless give them to us. So basically
what it means is these guys that to step down
from Super Rugby, which means put them in a very
dodgy position to get selected for the All Blacks. And
when they looked at it, they went, you know what,
I'd rather be an All Black than a seven's gold medalsine.
We didn't have that back in the day with the
Christian Cullens and Jonah Lomu's and the like that. So
(21:11):
we've got this, and we talked Gordon Titchens, Sir Gordon
Titchens on the show last week about this and about
what they need to do to get at pont like
character involved, and he was a horrible scent behind it,
said something has to happen. We have got the pace
out there and we've got some big, strong, fast men.
So maybe do you remember when Caleb Clark decided to
(21:33):
cash he lost as All Black spot and played terb
and didn't get in the team in the end.
Speaker 8 (21:38):
Oh, I can remember that time they put Jonah and
Christian Cullen and the Hong Kong sevens, and between two
of them under the post they won the tournament for us.
Just on there too, you know, they were under the post,
under the pump and between them they interchange and won
the whole tournament. I mean, you can't tell me three
or four of our all blacks?
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Well the question ja now, yeah, no, absolutely they would
and thanks for your call. The thing is is that
they have to come to an agreement with ns that
are and with the players around how much time they
don't play in super rugby because they need to be
seven's fit to play decent sevens. And yes, I think
a lot of us would like to see some of
our fastest, biggest all blacks involved. It's seven thirty one
(22:16):
News Talks.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
It'd the Olympic Games News Update.
Speaker 10 (22:19):
And Triathlet's at the Paris Olympics have woken up to
the news the men's tries been postponed due to unacceptable
water quality and the river's seen It was set to
get underway about ninety minutes ago. The Trithlon now delayed
until eight forty five tomorrow night for the men's straight
after the women's event. New Zealand's rowers are back on
the water tonight in Betweg leading the charge and the
women's single skulls quarter finals. Men's a scull at Tom
(22:40):
McIntosh has his quarter final after eight before the women's
double and the men's double have their semi final. Trapshooter
Owen Robinson has his first two rounds of qualification this
evening from half past eight, needing to finish inside the
top six to advance. Lewis Claibert, Cameron Gray and Eve
Thomas all in the pool and their heats this morning
from nine o'clock and looking ahead. The women's sevens played
(23:00):
their semi final against the USA at half past one
at Star de France, and the men's footballers among the
the teams in action against France at five eight m
I'm Elliott Smith on News Talks. There be official radio
broadcast partner of the Olympic Games Paris twenty twenty four.
Watch the New Zealanders and the Rolling on Skysport Paris seven,
Skysport nine.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Back to you, Darcy, I'm your Elliott. Thanks for that
it is seven and thirty two. Back to the phone,
So we go at eight one hundred and eighty ten
eighty Conrad good evening.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
Yeah, Hi, Based on history, public dissputations are totally unrealistic.
I mean, if you look at nineteen ninety two, Barbara
Kendall was the only gold medalist. Halfway through the two
thousand Olympics, four Homes was over there asking the same
question as you are, well, you're never gold middle yet,
and we were switting on Rob Woodell having to win
a gold weddal for US four in.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Sydney day nine. It was day nine in Sydney before
New Zealand won their first medal, day.
Speaker 7 (23:59):
Nine, and that was the only one. So thinks back right,
ninety two one gold medal entirely, two thousand and one
gold entirely. I think seventy sixty one maybe possibly too,
I know the hockey and seventy two. I'm pretty sure
there was only the one with the rowing ape. We're
we're there's all these ideas now on a second point
to do with you know kind of like a lot
(24:21):
of it comes down to fantastic individuals, which which choose
amounts of money, doesn't necessarily guarantee. I mean Dan can
load it. I mean that's once in the generation stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah, and it doesn't matter what kind of money or
appreciate you put along. It's within the athlete at the time.
And that's why it's so hard. It's one event every
four years that the best in the world are attempting
to peak four to two.
Speaker 9 (24:43):
It's yeah like.
Speaker 7 (24:45):
This, yeah, yeah for the French tennis the French tennis people,
they have Kip some money, they keep some money into it.
They haven't had a Grand Sam Championship yet. No nine
eighty three.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
And I'm pretty sorry, tom rade, but no, that's the point,
like like like anyway back to the Olympics.
Speaker 7 (25:06):
Yeah, so yeah, that's my point. Thanks Darsie.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah, hey, no, comrade, thanks very much for calling. Interestingly.
In Athens, it took eight days before New Zealand's medal, right,
eight days Beijing eight days and then they had that
ridiculous Super Saturday where the everswind Down won gold and
val Adams won gold and Ruleston won a silver and
(25:30):
there are a hand for a couple of bronzes as well.
It takes a while. Nine days, two thousand, eight days,
two thousand and four, eight days two thousand and eight,
got a bit quicker after that. Four days in twenty
twelve and London, three days in ak and Rio and
what was it and took you? I think it was
six days in there as well. So I mean, no
(25:53):
one can guarantee it's going to happen. Well that it
will happen, but it's not going to happen just when
we want it right, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty lines. I'll open this newstalk's eb is twenty five
minutes to eight, still to come on the program, More
of you, More of me and peaked Wet Triath on
New Zealand CEO on Paris's open sewer, which turns out
it's not the smartest thnu to put swimmers in. No really.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
Myself, all I do is were.
Speaker 11 (26:27):
Wi me in on that?
Speaker 2 (26:28):
And what money on my cutle Andrew, I'm talking nady
producer of the program of a fine producer is too.
It's twenty one minutes to eight. Gold Sports take a listen.
Emma Twig is about to launch is in the single
skull for women quarter final three in lane at three.
(26:50):
So if you want to climb on board that gold sport.
As we you will find that action Tom Macintosh is
going to have a crack two just after eight in
these single skulls. Right, let's get back to the phones again,
Terry High.
Speaker 11 (27:06):
I think a lot of these landors shouldn't be critical
of the lack of medals. I was involved and still
am involved in competitive pistol shooting. I spent many years
built out to the Sydney Olympics and then prior to
the Beijing Olympics, a group of US went to Beijing
(27:29):
about a week and a half before because the Chinese
wanted to know how New Zealanders could shoot to the
levels that we shoot without doing their work that the
Chinese do. So what this means is, and this is
across the board with most sports in China, for example,
they would select out of thousands of people the best
(27:50):
that they thought they had to work with. That you
would go to shooting school, you would live on site,
you would train for six days a week, you'd had
half a day off or a half day off, and
you got half a day of education. And that was
how they got to select their best shooters. Now, they
(28:11):
from a coaching point of view, still want us to
know how New Zealanders like Greg gallobich and and others
that shot well at commerce Games level, how they could
get to that level was still holding down a normal job,
because most New Zealand athletes across the board have to
work to survive and still excel to get medals. So
(28:35):
I think we should be very supportive of all athletes.
I've heard some pretty negative talk in the last week
about money spent on athletes. Compared with most other countries
around the world, New Zealand spends very little on US athletes,
so we do very well for the medals we do get,
(28:55):
all right, yep.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
No, I think we do as well and I don't
have an issue at all. Terry, thanks for your call
around the presumed lack of success because the expectations I
don't think of sky high. Look Hamish Kirtman. Here's a guy,
maybe maybe the Welsh character. Maybe you look at that
and go, hey, maybe Carrington's probably the one that carries
(29:17):
all of it, I would suggest. And the women's sevens
who are playing tomorrow morning. Otherwise, I don't know how
many showings there actually are, so I don't know. I
don't think we can be too critical. Hey, Lyle.
Speaker 9 (29:32):
I might look in regards to the swimming. I was
listening to a man in New Zealand station this morning
and they had somebody very high up in the cell
and swimming the next champion. And he said to me
that the whole of New Zealand there's only four fifty
meter pools. And the male bloke you guys had over there,
(29:53):
who was in the middle, he had to leave Wellington.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Clear, Actually they wouldn't let him climb train to move.
Speaker 9 (30:03):
Yees right, and there was the pools cut on half
of the bowl. You had to keep doing. That's bangles
and falls. Well, I'm here on the Gold Case and
I did a quick search, right, and this is just
the Gold Case, not Southeast Queens And we have eleven
Olympic sized swimming polls and middlely our climate is conducive
to people wanting to swim and get in the water.
(30:24):
But you know that's just an area that spans only
sixty kilometers. We've got eleven Olympic sized swimming pools. So
it's not lack of ability in New Zealand athletes, it's
just lack of facilities in regular competition. I think you're
going to start seeing from me your swimmers to train
here because we produce great swimmers, it's great cricket, it's
(30:46):
obviously good run league players, but it's going to be
very hard. What I'm saying is if you took any
athletes from even Australia and slapped them into the New
Zealand system, they're going to struggle to be able to
reproduce the form.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
And I think you make a really good point. There
really interesting numbers around the amount and the side of
the polls that are over there in Australia. Yeah, they
do very very well. I think, well, Han, they're by sea,
so are we. It seems a little warmer than ours,
but they do particularly well. Let's get to our next caller, Neil,
(31:22):
Hello o today.
Speaker 12 (31:24):
So I heard subtly through the last half hour criticism
of the men's sevens. Well, if you'd excuse the ramblings
of an older generation, we grew up with without the sevens,
and to have them at all means that those guys
(31:46):
training at they're taken from other rugby avenues and they
have to train specifically for seven aside.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
They're going to be seven very different.
Speaker 12 (31:58):
Seven's training rather than all black training. They have to retrain,
you know, they have to redo the whole thing. And
I thought our rugby nation was known for consistency, confluency,
conflagration in the sense of sudden speed and snatching something
(32:19):
out of nowhere. She is skill, bravery, intelligence, those sort
of things, you know, and to have a side we
should be so proud of them. Really, you know, I
don't think that.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Anyone really thought that they thought that of a chance
maybe of winning goal. But there are so many things
and men that are of a level in such a
short game that can actually on what we hammered, well
not hammered, but beat the blitz bocker and then they
came back in that second round beat us again. It's
a very strange situation. But how do think being over
(32:53):
critical now, I just don't think they're of that level.
If we had a number of maybe high speed, big
fast all blacks involved, maybe, but they can't do it
because they can't do two things at the same time.
Speaker 12 (33:04):
But how much of that is looking at other teams
and going, oh, look at that tall, strong fast United
States play?
Speaker 2 (33:13):
You know, No, it's not because we don't look at
the and say what haven't we got? We look at
what we've got and go, okay, where are we lacking
and how does that work? And we've got the out
and out speed the gas. That's what has to happen.
And sevens is about speed. It's also about dexterity, physical
(33:33):
strength and ability to think extraordinarily fast on your feet.
The remember, I think that's close at the top. It
really is. So I can say they're a disappointment because
I think a few of us thought maybe maybe a medal,
but then to get knocked out when they did that
was a wee bit of a slap I think for
all of us. Let's run through a couple of texts
(33:53):
now nineteen ninety two. That is z B z B Darcy.
Can I give a big shout out to the gold
sport crew and the z B grew great job of
the games, loving it, Baddy and Jack. Of course you
can hard working crew that they are. Darcy. Here's the kegger.
I don't want to add a bloody rugby or seven's medal.
(34:15):
I want medals and other sports. I'm sicker relying on rugby,
sorry Herman, Darcy. Countries usually want to showcase their best
at the Olympics. France showed the world that the river
through their capital is an open sewer. True that, Steve True.
That coming up next, let's talk more about that open
(34:37):
sewer Peak The Wet triath in New Zealand CEO joins
the show. This garment man FA we join now on
sports talk here on news Talk zeb B by Pete
the Wet. He runs the show and it comes to
(34:58):
triathon in New Zealand in Paris currently, and I suppose that, well,
are you treading water? Excuse the pun peep with Wat's
it happened at delay in the triathon? Not ideal? Tell
us what you know and how this built? And thank you?
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Yeah, yeah, so absolutely treading water and certainly disappointed with
the outcome this morning. But were this morning in Paris afternoons,
you guys. But we've been pretty well briefed this whole
time around the challenges with water quality, and obviously the
rainfall that happened in and around the opening ceremony didn't
help things. So the water quality has generally been improving
(35:38):
day by day, but unfortunately not at the level that
we needed to be for the ment event to go
ahead today. So yeah, not an ideal scenariot ought to
be fair as.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Far as predicting this, I'm presuming you and the team
knew that this was likely with the rain that happened
in the opening ceremony, So this is not a massive
surprise yet.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
No, not necessarily, And to be fair, I mean, we've
known that the water equality has been a challenge for
a while, so that's always been in the back of
my mind as far as preparation is concerned, and certainly
from an athlete's perspective, they've been aware of that as well.
And excuse the pun had to remain fluid as well,
So I think, you know, yeah, it's not an ideal situation,
(36:21):
but you know it's not like we've woken up this
morning and gone, oh my god, we didn't see this coming.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
How do the athletes cope with this? That they know
what's coming and they know what's happening, and plainly that
the women haven't been delayed as yet, but the men,
what space are they in to actually be at their
best when they thought it was going to be like
six o'clock south of New Zealand time, but they're going
to move it out twenty four hours. Is that problematic
for these athletes?
Speaker 4 (36:48):
Not necessarily, I mean we've got a resilient bunch to
be fair, and you know, like I said, they were
aware that this could be a reality. I think that
they will probably be surprised with the fact that it's
been moved to tomorrow after the.
Speaker 13 (37:01):
Women's event, because the second of August was.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Always penciled in as a day where we would have
the event moved too, should it be postponed. So I
think what we'll try trying to do is give themselves
a couple of more options by having the men go
after the woman tomorrow and then still has the day
on the second of August is as follow follow up reserve.
Speaker 13 (37:25):
Day as well.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Yeah, I can't for to you, Pete that it will
actually remain two triathlons as opposed to a truncated version,
which I think is the fear of a lot of
people that the basic energy of triathm will disappear if
you take one of the disciplines out.
Speaker 13 (37:39):
Yeah, certainly will do.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
And I think that's why, you know, credit to the
Paris Organizing Committee and we'll try it one for having
the flexibility.
Speaker 13 (37:48):
To do this. As you can imagine, the knock on effect.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Is fairly significant from a broadcast perspective, there's going to
be a whole lot of people doing a whole lot
of stuff today to try and make sure that the
events ready for tomorrow. Whereas you know you had you
had grandstands full of ticketed, ticketed patrons for a woman's
event tomorrow, then I need to reading the whole ticketing
plan and then bring all that all the people who
(38:10):
were in with tickets for the men to ben afterwards.
So there's going to be a whole lot of work
that's going to be done behind the scenes. But again
I think that we always knew that this was potentially
going to be a challenge in Sodo World Tripped and
the Paris of without the committee, so they'll have scenario two, three, four, five,
and six up their sleeves and hopefully we can activate
it as quickly as possible.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
I suppose anything. Peter underlines the frailty of the decision
to put it in the scene anyway, and this was
something that was objected to globally, but they went ahead anyway.
Now we're in that position, do you think maybe the
organizing committee might be going, you know what, we actually
messed this one up.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Potentially, But I don't think that they're going to say
anything like that right now.
Speaker 13 (38:54):
I think they'll wait for.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
The games to happen and they'll do their post of
interviews and I hazard a guess that that might be
the outcome.
Speaker 13 (39:01):
I think at the end of the day, this was
always meant to be a.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Legacy project for the city. You know, there was a
real willingness to have during the summer Parisian swimming in
the same and that's what they were hoping to achieve here.
So whether that's going to be a reality going forward
is yet to be seen. But I think that they'll
take stock at the end of the games and hopefully
arrive at an out come that they're prepared to talk about.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Is there still a chance peat that it will actually
be reduced and the triade no longer is a try?
Is that still very distinct? Do you believe.
Speaker 13 (39:37):
It's a reality? If?
Speaker 4 (39:38):
On the so, if the water quality doesn't improve by
tomorrow and they then have to postpone the men's and
a women's events to the second of August, if the
water quality doesn't improve by the second of August, then
it will revert to a US fun which which is
certainly not something that would be overly pleaced with. But
we're you know again, our ATA has been aware the
(40:01):
whole time that they could potentially be a reality. That's
not something that they've prepared for, preparing for a travel
all along, and you know, so that that's what they'll continue,
excuse me, continue to pre prepare for. But the reality
is that on the second of August, the Ford equality
hasn't improved. If the events get moved tomorrow, then it
could be reduced to a geos.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
When it comes to the strengths of the four that
we have over there in both the means and that
the women's try taking it back to address on Does
that give any advantage to our athletes in particular?
Speaker 4 (40:37):
I guess the only advantage would potentially be for Haveden
because the swim is probably is his weakest discipline, although
he's made significant strides over the last three or four
months in that area. But at the end of the day,
you know, if you if you medal under a d flon,
(40:57):
there's always going to be an asterisk against that medal,
so you'd rather not have that happen. So yeah, you know,
fingers crossed, we can get both these events done tomorrow and.
Speaker 13 (41:10):
Celebrate some success from New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Hey, thanks very much, Peak to Weed their CEO of
try in Zi Let's walk across and Malcolm Jordan now
to take in the last few undimeters of the single
skollars quarterfinal, who.
Speaker 14 (41:21):
Are flexing their muscles in the women's single skulls in
the early stages of this day of competition, an important
one for New Zealand. A boat and a half length
now for it between Emma Twig and her opposition from Switzerland,
who I mentioned is a first time Olympian at age
(41:41):
twenty and she did put some heat on early on.
But Emma Twig, the reigning Olympic champion, is now showing
what she's worth, wanting back to back gold medals in
the single skulls, just like mahe Drysdale achieved in twenty
twelve and twenty sixteen. Anything you can do, Mahey, No,
(42:04):
I might not become a mayor, but I'd like back
to back gold beatles.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
And then go with race is still going on a
gold sport if you want to listen to the end
of that. Looks like Emma Twig is pretty comfortable here
by thirteen meters. Top three from all go three to
the semi files onto the final and it does. Thanks
for BRIGGI coming to ask you all to go catch.
Speaker 10 (42:22):
It a bor bye.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
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