August 7, 2024 • 31 mins
D'Arcy Waldegrave returns to recap an exciting week in the world of sports! Highlights for tonight include:
Graham Oberlin-Brown - Canoe Racing NZ CEO - On why New Zealand picked the C2 500 crew?
Talkback - was this embarrassing for New Zealand?
Michael Burgess - NZ Herald Report in Paris
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Three things and welcome. This is sports Talk on News
Talk CB. My name is Darcy Waldgrave. Sport for you
and me. Right the way through town. At eight o'clock tonight,
we'll head off to Paris. A couple of times it
was an Olympic Games on after all. Michael Burgess inzid
Herald sports reporter, multi media reporter for n ZM is
(00:53):
over there. We'll talk to him about day twelve of
the comp medal chances and the pole vault and track
cycling and nacrosailing and the list goes on. That's burg
and about oh, I know, forty five fifty minutes time,
I'd say up first. So and me talking with the
chief executive of Canoe Racing at New Zealand. There's been
a bit of a storm around what happened with the
(01:14):
C two five hundred last night, So Graham Oberlon Brown
joins us to explain the decision to race Max Brown
and Grant Clancy. Clancy excuse me, in the C two
five hundred, three months training, that was it? Why did
they do it? How happy they were with doing that
did they really expect the backlast that they got. Anyway,
(01:36):
we'll find out all about that with Graham Oberlon Brown
shortly hop after that will take your thoughts embarrassing to
New Zealand. Do you think on a global stage, okay,
to maybe exploit the loophole that existed. I've got my opinion, Oh,
share after that one yours on eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Of course you always text through ZBZB. It's nineteen nine
(01:56):
to two standard text charge applies. Right, Let's get now
to Graham from Paris. A good morning. Oh I know
we're not going to get to them now just to
put a on hole. We're going to go straight now
to this today. It's getting really excited because this is
such a good story. But that's okay, we got there
Sport today. Four time gold medallist and male boat goat
(02:17):
Ian Ferguson has spoken of a controversy surrounding the KWEC
two to five hundred entry. Max Brown and Grant Clancy
have taken a few hits after this showing in the heats.
If the boys do well in their chosen event, then
I say they've got to be forgiven because for them
it's very, very embarrassing as well.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I just see them. They would have hated that.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I disagree anyway. Hamish Kerr, New Zealand Olympic high jumper,
said to link to glory in Paris, He's heating formed
exactly the right time, winning a couple of Diamond League
events before the big Dance.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
We sit down at the start of every season and
we put a plan in place, and then pretty much
straight away you start looking at Plan B and Plan
C and how you're going to have to adapt all
that stuff. And just for some weird reason, we haven't
had to do that this year.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Lydia Coe still live in a fairy tale, the acclaimed
golfer owner by silver and a bronze Olympic medal that
wants to channel rhodopis through the women's golf event, although
it is in France, so maybe Charles Perraut would be
a better shout.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
It would be like a Cinderella story if I was to,
you know, win the goal. But I know that I'm
here alongside the best female golfers. This is not going
to be easy, but I know I'm going to just
focus on my game and try and play my burst
around the golf course.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, just say no. Chelle Perrot was the guy who
actually put pen to paper and wrote Cinderella for the
first time sixteen ninety seven, I think it was. And
Rhodapus is the character that was based on from Greek
mythology and fifteen hundred meter runner at my rams and
has taken some key lessons out of her heat where
she qualified for the semifinal.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
Like anything, there are some good takeaways to improve on
next time.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
But overall I'm so happy, you know, can reset the
golf for the next round.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
I'm just very excited to be here.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
And thanks Guy Sport for that audio and Lance Sports today.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
Well, the horror show that is the men's canoe double
five hundred meters, I think they might have actually crossed
the line by George.
Speaker 7 (04:17):
They have.
Speaker 6 (04:18):
They're literally just in this race to tick a box
so that they can join the men's K four five hundred.
It's all it amounts to. They weren't putting in any
effort whatsoever. And on the world stage it just looks
so poor that New Zealand should go through the loopholes
to get their K four five hundred together for Paris,
(04:39):
which means they've fronted, but very poor from New Zealand.
And I imagine that Max Brown and Grant Clancy were
doing everything they could to one keep their boats straight,
two to keep it from tipping over. Hence they were
putting in no effort at all and they were going
as slow as they could possibly go just to keep
(05:01):
their canoe upright so that they didn't embarrass themselves even
further by falling in the drink, an embarrassment for those
in black. So they will go to the B final load,
but they won't be there with the big boys, and
either they should be.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
And that is a Malcolm Jordan commentating on that race,
if you could call it that. That's caused a consternation
around sports fans, Olympic fans, New Zealand fans with the
C two five hundred and well, they finished more last
than last Jack mclast, winner of last year's last competition,
(05:40):
and people might confused and a wee bit upset about
the fact that these guys are only three months training.
It's Max Brown and Grant Clancy actually represented. But there
is a master plan. There is a cunning plan. And
joining us now to talk about that is the chief
executive of cannee racing in New Zealand. Graham, Oberlin Brown, Graham,
(06:01):
welcome to the show. So talk to us about that race.
How do we get into the city situation nine and
good morning French time.
Speaker 8 (06:09):
Yeah, good morning Dussy.
Speaker 9 (06:10):
Yes, as you would have seen, So, the men's K
four at last year's World Championship needed to make the
A final to qualify for the Olympics. They completed the
sixth fastest time in that regatta, but were in the
fastest semi final, which didn't qualify them for this year's Olympics.
(06:31):
So the way that the qualification system works is that
you can use K or kayak boat quota spots interchangeably
with C boat quota spots, and so the discipline of
canoeing also comes under canoe Racing New Zealand, as does kayaking,
and so we set about a way to qualify. You know,
(06:56):
what we felt was a crew that was very, very
capable of competing in in the final at the Olympics.
C two voting is not an easy discipline to pick up.
The boat doesn't have a rudder, you're in an upright
kneeling position, and it's a very narrow hull and so
The boys have worked very hard over the last three
(07:17):
to seven months as a squad, all of them trying
to come up to speed with sea boating. It was
a steep learning trajectory and as you've seen, there's still
a bit of time to be made up in terms
of getting them to be competitive in a.
Speaker 8 (07:32):
Seaboat part class.
Speaker 9 (07:34):
Distinctly, however, the boys have performed very well, as you
would have seen in the K four quarterfinal yesterday where
they play second behind the current world champions Australia and
set the sixth fastest K.
Speaker 8 (07:51):
Four qualifying time for this Olympics.
Speaker 9 (07:53):
So yeah, that's effectively how we've got to the position
where we are today.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
So the K four, when we talk about qualifying, we're
qualifying paddlers, not necessarily boats of the K four or
didn't manage to get through under its regular stem. How
does it come through this time around. It's a wee bit.
I'm slightly confused about Grahame.
Speaker 9 (08:16):
Yeah, So if we'd qualified the K four, then the
boys could have raced and just the K four or
the K four plus K two's and C twos or
K ones, so you can use your quota spots in
that manner.
Speaker 8 (08:30):
But you must compete in the.
Speaker 9 (08:32):
Event that you qualify the boat, as well as being
able to enter an additional events. So what we have
done is we've qualified the C two boat and the
K two boat, which means that we must compete in
those events, even though our crew that's meeting the performance
standard is actually the.
Speaker 8 (08:52):
K four boat.
Speaker 9 (08:53):
So by putting the K two and the C two together,
we end up with a world class K four.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
So you can enter the K four even though you
didn't qualify that boat a few months back.
Speaker 9 (09:05):
Correct, correct, Because we've got four quota spots in total
for the boys, we can add the C two and
the K two quota spots together and race the K four.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, a cunning plan means to an end. I suppose
who picked up on that one, because it is essentially
a loophole, wasn't it, Graham?
Speaker 9 (09:26):
Yeah, So my understanding was that at the last Olympics
there was a Canadian kayaker who was unable to qualify
through the World Championships, subsequently qualified and the kayak discipline
and won an Olympic bronze medal and the canoe discipline.
Speaker 8 (09:45):
So it's not it's not a new it's not a
new ruling.
Speaker 9 (09:50):
It has been used before and so yeah, I guess,
but within the team that was that was recognized and
you know, we want to provide our world class athletes
with Olympic opportunities, and so this was a means for
the boys to try and achieve the very best Olympic
(10:10):
result that.
Speaker 8 (10:11):
They can in the K four.
Speaker 9 (10:13):
But a prerequisite to that was that they did need
to learn this new different discipline.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Be comfortable with sending a team regardless of the outcome.
We know what you wanted to achieve and plainly you
did it, so it was a success. But how comfortable
are you about sending a pair out there a boat
knowing they were going to get roundly thrashed on the
Olympic stage.
Speaker 7 (10:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (10:36):
Obviously it has been a seap learning curve to learn
this discipline for the boys. So when we selected this crew,
we didn't know how steep how quickly we could achieve
a world class standard in sea boating.
Speaker 8 (10:50):
There's not a wealth of coaching.
Speaker 9 (10:52):
Depths in sea boating in New Zealand, so we've had
to be incredibly resourceful with getting coaching expertise to try
and develop the discipline to get the boys up to speed.
Speaker 8 (11:03):
So we feel like we've.
Speaker 9 (11:04):
Done everything we can, and the boys have done everything
they can and actually has added a lot to their
team culture that the whole squad has. The whole squad
of boys have learned to do sea voting to enable
this opportunity. But the boys have been all on, noting
that the K four was their best chance of Olympic success.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Were joined bi CEO of Kenirachigin, said Graham Oberlin Brown.
But you knew that when they entered, they weren't going
to cover themselves in glory, and you and the athletes
were quite happy with that that they would be I
suppose the outstanding team in that because they were going
to finish so far behind the eight bril You knew
(11:50):
that was going to occur, and you're okay with that.
Speaker 9 (11:52):
So we have been tracking their times and training obviously,
and we have seen their progression. In Olympic sports, it's
not unusual to have a priority and non priority event.
We see it within the swimmers where they enter additional
events to help them prepare for their main event. We've
also seen in mountain biking where a mountain bike quota
(12:15):
spots previously were able to be used for track cycling
and road cycling quota spot. So yeah, as I say,
we've we feel like we've put everything we can into
and the boys have put everything they can into trying
to prepare to be in the best shape that they
can be for both the C two and the Cave four.
(12:37):
But there is still some gap obviously between us and
the remainder of the field in the in the Sea two.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
It's got to be asked with Clancy and Brown. I
don't think they obviously they're not up to speed with
how it works, but they probably didn't give it one
hundred percent as far as horse powers concerned, because they
had to keep some in the tank for the K four.
Is that right?
Speaker 9 (13:00):
To be honest, They're not actually too too far off
what we've been seeing in training. So the boys have
been doing multiple time trials.
Speaker 8 (13:07):
I would expect that if we were.
Speaker 9 (13:09):
To download their heart rate files, they wouldn't be too
far off.
Speaker 8 (13:13):
I wouldn't.
Speaker 9 (13:14):
I don't believe there is a huge amount of conserving
going on there.
Speaker 8 (13:18):
But they are.
Speaker 9 (13:20):
They are aware that the K four is their priority event,
and you know, had they they have been in the
same position in both the C two and being in
the K four. Then then that's not kind of that's
that's not a good outcome. But the boys have demonstrated
yesterday that actually when they when they do put a
(13:42):
good race together in the K four, they can they
can set the sixth half this time, which is which
has been outstanding. But yeah, the actual kind of output
that we've seen. One of the things with sea boating
is the ability to be balanced and kick the boat
straight and put power into the blade at the same time.
Speaker 8 (14:02):
So there are some technical intricacies.
Speaker 9 (14:04):
There that are probably holding back some of that boat
speed well ability to exert themselves, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I were you bracing for the reaction? Did you have
any idea about what the kickback would be after that
display that you've thought through this and thought, you know,
people probably won't be entirely happy. They'll bring up concept
that you represent from New Zealand, that's under the flag,
it's an embarrassment, so on and so forth. We embraced
for this grame.
Speaker 9 (14:32):
I mean, I think it has somewhat been reported in
previous months, back to back to May that this was
the pathway that we were going down, and we've been
one hundred percent focused on ensuring that the athletes and
the boats and crews were the best prepared that they
could be for this event. Now that we're here, even
(14:53):
a couple of weeks out, we're not going to say, oh,
look this is where we're at. Sorry, guys, you can't
commit it anymore because the trajectory of the learning of
the speed curve is you know, still still still has
some alternity there. So once we made the decision to
(15:13):
go down this pathway, it's we've been focused on delivering
as much support as we can around both the Sea
voting and the k Pope voting crews.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
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Speaker 2 (15:33):
That's the chief executive of canoe Racing at New Zealand
his explanation around the entry of Max Brown and Grant
Clancy in the C two five hundred only a few
months of training, really no thought what or whether they
were going to win anything or compete, but they wanted
to get into the K four. So they had a
log at the rule book and we hey, we can
(15:55):
do this and did it. So Graham, thanks very much
for joining the program. I'm really interested in your thoughts
around this. Now, now that you've heard the reasoning behind
what happened, why it happened, and the comfort with which
it sits with Graham Ober and Brown and canoe racing
(16:15):
in z some questions to you, is this embarrassing is
said on the global stage stink or is it okay
to exploit the loophole? I'm going with the okay, I'm
with that. Look, let's face it, the Olympic Games is
(16:36):
people dashed with cheats and underhanded behavior. This is not
unusual around. I'm not saying they're cheated, but you could
say it's a little underhanded, but it's sat perfectly within
the rules. Some smart man when all women when I like,
actually we can do this and we can get our
best boat through. So I don't think it's embarrassing. I
like the way they've exploited the loophole. The embarrassment should
(16:58):
lie up the top with the NZOC or the Olympic
Committee full stop by allowing something like that happened. Titan
loopholes don't allow this because people will exploit it if
they can. That's where the problem is. And as far
as the rowers or the paddlers or kayakers or canoers.
(17:18):
I don't think they'd be embarrassed. They knew exactly what
they were doing. I'm not embarrassed as Andy ZeLing mind.
Whatever you did, what you did, What about you? Oh,
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Speaker 6 (17:36):
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Speaker 1 (17:42):
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Speaker 10 (17:51):
It'd be I think it's three months total, probably, yeah,
about three months. We've all taken turns, learning and given
it a go in the front and the back, and
then we confirmed the me and maxib Be doing it
a little while ago. And then yeah, just been training
week after week.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
As Grant Clancy talking to Michael Burgess at the end
of the C two five hundred race, that's caused so
much consternation in and around New Zealand sporting circles, and
I'll take your calls on that. Shortly one hundred and
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Speaker 7 (18:37):
Yes, Well I wasn't too sure. You know, I didn't
know the stories behind it obviously when watching it it live,
but I saw we didn't get it off to a
good start. I thought, oh, have we fallen in or something?
And yeah, we were so behind, you know, we couldn't
even see our race because of how far behind we were,
and it was a it was a good laugh, really,
(18:59):
I just yeah, I re replayed it, and I just
it was one of the most funniest races I've ever watched.
I think.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
It's maybe even more of an insult than you make
it out to be, Michael, if you're laughing at the Olympians.
But I get where you're coming from. Are you you
satisfied with what you heard them from Graham Obile and
Brown around what they did and why they did it?
More's the point?
Speaker 7 (19:23):
Oh yeah, I'm not too angry or anything about it.
I'm more just found it. Yeah, obviously we had no
chance of winning, let's be realistic. And I was thinking
when they were going, well, actually I reckon I could
go faster. Maybe I can't, But yeah, that where we
were just so slow compared to the other other teams.
(19:45):
That was unbelievable. I can see why we did it,
and I'm not really too fussed about it, but I
can see why people would be forwarded against it. But
that is the main thing is I just found it
a good laugh. That was really my opinion on it.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
When I'm not being really grumpy old man, I tend
to look at everything the huge smile as well, Michael.
So I really like what you're saying here. I mean,
it's sport's so important, isn't it to get that freaked
out by.
Speaker 7 (20:11):
Yes, But I'll be watching tonight and I'm hoping we
can get some medals as Carrington and that and with
the fours and the two, so I am hoping for
meddles and not too much of what we saw that.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Look, the timing is great, Michael, isn't it Because everyone
will forget about that once Lisa Carrington starts reeling and
gold medals left right and seeing down. Good on your Michael,
Thanks very much for your call. Let's go now to
the finest sports broadcast from Wellingtons.
Speaker 10 (20:46):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
You can listen on Gold Sport, which is where you
want their ears. Thank you very much, Adam Coop, you
have a wonderful night. It is twenty eight minutes to eight.
This is a sports talk here on news Talk z B.
Let's carry on with the phone calls. Is my mate
from Australia. Good Chris. You know, mate, Hell, I'm not
(21:06):
so bad yourself. You're happy with this.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
I'm gonna I'm going to put out a little bit
of a froggy throat my apologies. I think the guy
you spoke to earlier, I'm just going to call them
the boat guy sounded like a politician. Yes, so what
he did is he didn't give us any answers. Look
my personal opinion, and I'm happy with people to fight
(21:32):
back about this. But if you qualify yourself in a
black jersey and a silver fern, do you try.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
The irony here is they didn't actually even qualify themselves.
Two other guys qualify that boat by beating a couple
of old fellows, one from Australia, a couple from from Samoa.
So they actually didn't even qualify that boat, and.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Then they just paddled their way through. It's been on
the media over here in Australia of like you know what.
He was just flagged the race to waste energy. So
sorry to save energy for something that we're not going
to win.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Well, So when when I asked Graham that question and
he said no, their heart rate was up day, you
found that a bit smelly that answer. You didn't buy
into it?
Speaker 10 (22:16):
Right?
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Ah, like a prawnam the sun for the day?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Man, You're not the only one. We've had plenty of
texts along that. I get the feeling that Oberl and
Brown is well prepped and he knew what was coming.
And I'm stoked that the actually answered the phone talk
to us. I think that says a lot.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
But yeah, yeah, Well, I personally just don't think qualifying
for one Olympic events to get into another that's disrespect
to that particular sport. So I hope they closed this
loophole moving forward, because if we don't have the saw
means to book the four on the water, so be
(22:52):
it don't qualify.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
And I think I'm with you, Chris, I don't and
thanks very much as always for your call. I don't
have any problem with the loophole. I don't have any
problem with what the team presented. It was an addit team.
It was strange, but the Olympic Games is full of
oddities and strangeness, right. The big lesson out of this
is going to intoc or going up above and going, hey,
(23:14):
this is not cool for your games. It doesn't make
you look good. And you've allowed teams like canoe Racing
in z to use this to put some guys in
a race that has madeor event looked stupid. I don't
blame New Zealand Rowing or New Zealand Canoe Racing. I'm
(23:40):
going to look higher above that and go who's actually
controlling this? And you get what you deserve anyway, Let's
going to look you know mate, how are you Gooday?
Speaker 11 (23:49):
Yeah? Thanks? So I can't believe I'm calling up on
the subject actually, but why it's one of those ones, Well,
just because I basically got I fear much about it.
But I really appreciate that you had the interview with
the man from Canoe Racing New Zealand. But there was
just one element that I think you know that he
didn't seem to cover off and you didn't ask the question.
(24:11):
And it relates to one of the other spots that,
as I understand, it was actually.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Up to grab k one K one thousand.
Speaker 11 (24:18):
Well, yeah, the K one one thousand, that was quite
Thompson spot, right, and so he actually earned that spot.
He qualified, but again it was Canoe Race in New
Zealand that decided, for whatever reason, they wanted to forego
that slot. I think it's because he wasn't part of
the four, the four you know, racing team members that
(24:40):
they wanted to send who could compete in the K four.
And so yeah they so so not only is it
that they have they sort of sort of jury wrecked
this whole thing to get to get the K four,
but they also for go for go full Winter another spot.
So yeah, I think another part of the whole story.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah, the interview sing longer, and you can go online
and listen to whole thing because I did address I
did address that rothbl and Brown and the reasons behind it.
It's kind of tied up with what they're supposed to do.
If I can just paraphrase this, that giving more athletes
and opportunity to go to the Olympic Games. So if
they are confronted with a situation where they can choose
(25:25):
between A one or a two, they're going to go
to the two. And I think it's part of their
entire setup because even though one qualified, they'd rather give
it to two because it's better for the sport. Now
he explains it a bit better than I do, but
it is in that online newsoks CB dot co dot
in Jeed. You can take a listen to the whole excuse.
(25:46):
But you know what, I was across that because I
found that interesting too. But as a couple of people
pointed out, he's pretty smooth as Graham, very very much
like a politician. He had no answer for everything. Luke.
Speaker 11 (25:58):
Now, thanks thanks to Duk for that. You appreciate it.
I'm justfinitely listened to it.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Yes, Luke, thanks very much for your call. Still more
to come if you want to ring up on the subject.
Love to hear from you. One hundred eighty ten eighties
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Ish Michael Burg just joins his later on the piece
live from Paris. This is news Talk Zbason.
Speaker 6 (26:28):
We're supposed to be in lane two and they are
not there. Maybe the cameras aren't on them. Do you
believe they are still on course? Potentially they probably are
they were introduced. Weren't they at the top.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Still bred.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
As Malcolm Jordan there with the commentary what you had
to call up? They were out there somewhere, weren't they,
Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty Give us a call?
Interested in this situation between Brown and Clancy. You love
to hear from you also, Michael Burgess joins later of
us later on in the piece, Let's go out to
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more calls though, Hi, lindsay, how are you?
Speaker 10 (27:13):
Hi?
Speaker 12 (27:13):
Darre see good to speak, nice to have your aspective,
give you a perspective from the My frustration here at
the inconsistency was the New Zealand Olympic committee that they
have these have this artificial rule in place that you
may qualify for the Olympics in your sport, but then
you've got to meet another standard from them. And if
(27:36):
I can give you an example of a medal chance
that New Zealand has missed out on in this Olympics
because of this inconsistency. So in tennis, we have the
number one woman's doubles player in the world, and we
have in arena sorry, Aaron Ratler, and we have Michael Venus,
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who I think at the moment's ranked about twelve. Now
put them together, they were a very good medal chance.
I think they made the semi finals at Wimbledon. Michael
had already won medal of the last Olympics in doubles.
To play mixed doubles, you had to be playing either
singles or your gender doubles men's or women's. Aaron was playing.
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She was qualified because of the rules that the ENDOC applied.
Michael didn't have a partner who could meet their standards
to be a top sixteen charts in doubles. So we
forego I won't say as a medal certainty, but a
really good chance of a branch. And yet this can
(28:43):
happen in tai King. I have full respect for what
Cano in New Zealand tried to do to make this happen.
I think the embarrassment is above them.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Well, that's what I was saying before. It's got to
go further up. I don't think you can plash someone
for exploiting or understanding the vagaries of the law and
going axely. We can make this work best for our sport.
So do you go, MZOC. You've got a fair amount
of grief coming their way for a number of decisions
they've made be an exer. Yes, there's a whole lot
(29:14):
of it doesn't matter so are they solely responsible in
this case?
Speaker 6 (29:18):
Order?
Speaker 2 (29:18):
They have to look higher to the Olympics full stop
and say what are you guys doing around allowing people
to compete that plainly aren't up to scratch? And does
that again, though, does that take away from the Olympic
ethos of having everybody having a go because that's part
of the joy of it, isn't it.
Speaker 12 (29:39):
Yeah, exactly, And the Olympics themselves have world cards as
a number of sports to allow countries to enter who
wouldn't ordinarily to qualify. So I don't think we can
force the global sports wherever they are to determine what
the selection criteria are, but we should if we're can
(30:00):
qualify athletes or boats or teams whatever that is according
to the rules of that sport been fine, let's participate,
but let's not have the New Zealand Limit Committee then
putting their own standards on top of that. I think
it's a rout which we're just going to have more
and more cases in sports arbitration trying.
Speaker 7 (30:21):
To deal with that.
Speaker 12 (30:21):
You know, there's some really unhappy athlete athletes across the board,
as you said, and I don't think that's the right
thing to do. You qualify, you can go and participate.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
And they've got to of course, just to defend them
if I can. They're going to look at the financing
of that and where their money's best spent. There's a
number of moving parts in it. But I completely understand
what you say, because you want to go to the
Olympic Games, one of the greatest things you could possibly
do as an athlete, and you'll try and try as
hard as you can to hit those cue marks. Only
if someone say yeah, nah with a pen stroke and
(30:53):
you're not going that is very very rough.
Speaker 12 (30:57):
Yeah, and say not to hold you up. But we
had a real medal chance in mixed doubles Tess real
meddal chants. So what if we're going to play these
rules in one sport, let's play them consistently rather than
miss that out.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
No, No, I get you, and I thank you very
much Lindsay for taking the time to call the program.
I think we've got to Michael Burgess about to arrive
and join us. He was all over that wasn't he?
He was there when it happened, got his mic out
the end of it, went hello, there's another who was
the under twenty three mountain biker, Sammy Maxwell. Went through
(31:35):
a lot of grief there as well, so you're not unusual.
He's joining us next as Michael Burgess. We're talking more
Olympic games and why not, because it's the season to
be Olympic. La La La La Lack.
Speaker 8 (31:52):
The Crazy Stories.
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we'll head off to Paris. A couple of times it
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Herald sports reporter, multi media reporter for n ZM is
(00:53):
over there. We'll talk to him about day twelve of
the comp medal chances and the pole vault and track
cycling and nacrosailing and the list goes on. That's burg
and about oh, I know, forty five fifty minutes time,
I'd say up first. So and me talking with the
chief executive of Canoe Racing at New Zealand. There's been
a bit of a storm around what happened with the
(01:14):
C two five hundred last night, So Graham Oberlon Brown
joins us to explain the decision to race Max Brown
and Grant Clancy. Clancy excuse me, in the C two
five hundred, three months training, that was it? Why did
they do it? How happy they were with doing that
did they really expect the backlast that they got. Anyway,
(01:36):
we'll find out all about that with Graham Oberlon Brown
shortly hop after that will take your thoughts embarrassing to
New Zealand. Do you think on a global stage, okay,
to maybe exploit the loophole that existed. I've got my opinion, Oh,
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to Graham from Paris. A good morning. Oh I know
we're not going to get to them now just to
put a on hole. We're going to go straight now
to this today. It's getting really excited because this is
such a good story. But that's okay, we got there
Sport today. Four time gold medallist and male boat goat
(02:17):
Ian Ferguson has spoken of a controversy surrounding the KWEC
two to five hundred entry. Max Brown and Grant Clancy
have taken a few hits after this showing in the heats.
If the boys do well in their chosen event, then
I say they've got to be forgiven because for them
it's very, very embarrassing as well.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I just see them. They would have hated that.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I disagree anyway. Hamish Kerr, New Zealand Olympic high jumper,
said to link to glory in Paris, He's heating formed
exactly the right time, winning a couple of Diamond League
events before the big Dance.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
We sit down at the start of every season and
we put a plan in place, and then pretty much
straight away you start looking at Plan B and Plan
C and how you're going to have to adapt all
that stuff. And just for some weird reason, we haven't
had to do that this year.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Lydia Coe still live in a fairy tale, the acclaimed
golfer owner by silver and a bronze Olympic medal that
wants to channel rhodopis through the women's golf event, although
it is in France, so maybe Charles Perraut would be
a better shout.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
It would be like a Cinderella story if I was to,
you know, win the goal. But I know that I'm
here alongside the best female golfers. This is not going
to be easy, but I know I'm going to just
focus on my game and try and play my burst
around the golf course.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, just say no. Chelle Perrot was the guy who
actually put pen to paper and wrote Cinderella for the
first time sixteen ninety seven, I think it was. And
Rhodapus is the character that was based on from Greek
mythology and fifteen hundred meter runner at my rams and
has taken some key lessons out of her heat where
she qualified for the semifinal.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
Like anything, there are some good takeaways to improve on
next time.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
But overall I'm so happy, you know, can reset the
golf for the next round.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
I'm just very excited to be here.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
And thanks Guy Sport for that audio and Lance Sports today.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
Well, the horror show that is the men's canoe double
five hundred meters, I think they might have actually crossed
the line by George.
Speaker 7 (04:17):
They have.
Speaker 6 (04:18):
They're literally just in this race to tick a box
so that they can join the men's K four five hundred.
It's all it amounts to. They weren't putting in any
effort whatsoever. And on the world stage it just looks
so poor that New Zealand should go through the loopholes
to get their K four five hundred together for Paris,
(04:39):
which means they've fronted, but very poor from New Zealand.
And I imagine that Max Brown and Grant Clancy were
doing everything they could to one keep their boats straight,
two to keep it from tipping over. Hence they were
putting in no effort at all and they were going
as slow as they could possibly go just to keep
(05:01):
their canoe upright so that they didn't embarrass themselves even
further by falling in the drink, an embarrassment for those
in black. So they will go to the B final load,
but they won't be there with the big boys, and
either they should be.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
And that is a Malcolm Jordan commentating on that race,
if you could call it that. That's caused a consternation
around sports fans, Olympic fans, New Zealand fans with the
C two five hundred and well, they finished more last
than last Jack mclast, winner of last year's last competition,
(05:40):
and people might confused and a wee bit upset about
the fact that these guys are only three months training.
It's Max Brown and Grant Clancy actually represented. But there
is a master plan. There is a cunning plan. And
joining us now to talk about that is the chief
executive of cannee racing in New Zealand. Graham, Oberlin Brown, Graham,
(06:01):
welcome to the show. So talk to us about that race.
How do we get into the city situation nine and
good morning French time.
Speaker 8 (06:09):
Yeah, good morning Dussy.
Speaker 9 (06:10):
Yes, as you would have seen, So, the men's K
four at last year's World Championship needed to make the
A final to qualify for the Olympics. They completed the
sixth fastest time in that regatta, but were in the
fastest semi final, which didn't qualify them for this year's Olympics.
(06:31):
So the way that the qualification system works is that
you can use K or kayak boat quota spots interchangeably
with C boat quota spots, and so the discipline of
canoeing also comes under canoe Racing New Zealand, as does kayaking,
and so we set about a way to qualify. You know,
(06:56):
what we felt was a crew that was very, very
capable of competing in in the final at the Olympics.
C two voting is not an easy discipline to pick up.
The boat doesn't have a rudder, you're in an upright
kneeling position, and it's a very narrow hull and so
The boys have worked very hard over the last three
(07:17):
to seven months as a squad, all of them trying
to come up to speed with sea boating. It was
a steep learning trajectory and as you've seen, there's still
a bit of time to be made up in terms
of getting them to be competitive in a.
Speaker 8 (07:32):
Seaboat part class.
Speaker 9 (07:34):
Distinctly, however, the boys have performed very well, as you
would have seen in the K four quarterfinal yesterday where
they play second behind the current world champions Australia and
set the sixth fastest K.
Speaker 8 (07:51):
Four qualifying time for this Olympics.
Speaker 9 (07:53):
So yeah, that's effectively how we've got to the position
where we are today.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
So the K four, when we talk about qualifying, we're
qualifying paddlers, not necessarily boats of the K four or
didn't manage to get through under its regular stem. How
does it come through this time around. It's a wee bit.
I'm slightly confused about Grahame.
Speaker 9 (08:16):
Yeah, So if we'd qualified the K four, then the
boys could have raced and just the K four or
the K four plus K two's and C twos or
K ones, so you can use your quota spots in
that manner.
Speaker 8 (08:30):
But you must compete in the.
Speaker 9 (08:32):
Event that you qualify the boat, as well as being
able to enter an additional events. So what we have
done is we've qualified the C two boat and the
K two boat, which means that we must compete in
those events, even though our crew that's meeting the performance
standard is actually the.
Speaker 8 (08:52):
K four boat.
Speaker 9 (08:53):
So by putting the K two and the C two together,
we end up with a world class K four.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
So you can enter the K four even though you
didn't qualify that boat a few months back.
Speaker 9 (09:05):
Correct, correct, Because we've got four quota spots in total
for the boys, we can add the C two and
the K two quota spots together and race the K four.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, a cunning plan means to an end. I suppose
who picked up on that one, because it is essentially
a loophole, wasn't it, Graham?
Speaker 9 (09:26):
Yeah, So my understanding was that at the last Olympics
there was a Canadian kayaker who was unable to qualify
through the World Championships, subsequently qualified and the kayak discipline
and won an Olympic bronze medal and the canoe discipline.
Speaker 8 (09:45):
So it's not it's not a new it's not a
new ruling.
Speaker 9 (09:50):
It has been used before and so yeah, I guess,
but within the team that was that was recognized and
you know, we want to provide our world class athletes
with Olympic opportunities, and so this was a means for
the boys to try and achieve the very best Olympic
(10:10):
result that.
Speaker 8 (10:11):
They can in the K four.
Speaker 9 (10:13):
But a prerequisite to that was that they did need
to learn this new different discipline.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Be comfortable with sending a team regardless of the outcome.
We know what you wanted to achieve and plainly you
did it, so it was a success. But how comfortable
are you about sending a pair out there a boat
knowing they were going to get roundly thrashed on the
Olympic stage.
Speaker 7 (10:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (10:36):
Obviously it has been a seap learning curve to learn
this discipline for the boys. So when we selected this crew,
we didn't know how steep how quickly we could achieve
a world class standard in sea boating.
Speaker 8 (10:50):
There's not a wealth of coaching.
Speaker 9 (10:52):
Depths in sea boating in New Zealand, so we've had
to be incredibly resourceful with getting coaching expertise to try
and develop the discipline to get the boys up to speed.
Speaker 8 (11:03):
So we feel like we've.
Speaker 9 (11:04):
Done everything we can, and the boys have done everything
they can and actually has added a lot to their
team culture that the whole squad has. The whole squad
of boys have learned to do sea voting to enable
this opportunity. But the boys have been all on, noting
that the K four was their best chance of Olympic success.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Were joined bi CEO of Kenirachigin, said Graham Oberlin Brown.
But you knew that when they entered, they weren't going
to cover themselves in glory, and you and the athletes
were quite happy with that that they would be I
suppose the outstanding team in that because they were going
to finish so far behind the eight bril You knew
(11:50):
that was going to occur, and you're okay with that.
Speaker 9 (11:52):
So we have been tracking their times and training obviously,
and we have seen their progression. In Olympic sports, it's
not unusual to have a priority and non priority event.
We see it within the swimmers where they enter additional
events to help them prepare for their main event. We've
also seen in mountain biking where a mountain bike quota
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spots previously were able to be used for track cycling
and road cycling quota spot. So yeah, as I say,
we've we feel like we've put everything we can into
and the boys have put everything they can into trying
to prepare to be in the best shape that they
can be for both the C two and the Cave four.
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But there is still some gap obviously between us and
the remainder of the field in the in the Sea two.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
It's got to be asked with Clancy and Brown. I
don't think they obviously they're not up to speed with
how it works, but they probably didn't give it one
hundred percent as far as horse powers concerned, because they
had to keep some in the tank for the K four.
Is that right?
Speaker 9 (13:00):
To be honest, They're not actually too too far off
what we've been seeing in training. So the boys have
been doing multiple time trials.
Speaker 8 (13:07):
I would expect that if we were.
Speaker 9 (13:09):
To download their heart rate files, they wouldn't be too
far off.
Speaker 8 (13:13):
I wouldn't.
Speaker 9 (13:14):
I don't believe there is a huge amount of conserving
going on there.
Speaker 8 (13:18):
But they are.
Speaker 9 (13:20):
They are aware that the K four is their priority event,
and you know, had they they have been in the
same position in both the C two and being in
the K four. Then then that's not kind of that's
that's not a good outcome. But the boys have demonstrated
yesterday that actually when they when they do put a
(13:42):
good race together in the K four, they can they
can set the sixth half this time, which is which
has been outstanding. But yeah, the actual kind of output
that we've seen. One of the things with sea boating
is the ability to be balanced and kick the boat
straight and put power into the blade at the same time.
Speaker 8 (14:02):
So there are some technical intricacies.
Speaker 9 (14:04):
There that are probably holding back some of that boat
speed well ability to exert themselves, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I were you bracing for the reaction? Did you have
any idea about what the kickback would be after that
display that you've thought through this and thought, you know,
people probably won't be entirely happy. They'll bring up concept
that you represent from New Zealand, that's under the flag,
it's an embarrassment, so on and so forth. We embraced
for this grame.
Speaker 9 (14:32):
I mean, I think it has somewhat been reported in
previous months, back to back to May that this was
the pathway that we were going down, and we've been
one hundred percent focused on ensuring that the athletes and
the boats and crews were the best prepared that they
could be for this event. Now that we're here, even
(14:53):
a couple of weeks out, we're not going to say, oh,
look this is where we're at. Sorry, guys, you can't
commit it anymore because the trajectory of the learning of
the speed curve is you know, still still still has
some alternity there. So once we made the decision to
(15:13):
go down this pathway, it's we've been focused on delivering
as much support as we can around both the Sea
voting and the k Pope voting crews.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
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Talk on your home of sport News talks be.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
That's the chief executive of canoe Racing at New Zealand
his explanation around the entry of Max Brown and Grant
Clancy in the C two five hundred only a few
months of training, really no thought what or whether they
were going to win anything or compete, but they wanted
to get into the K four. So they had a
log at the rule book and we hey, we can
(15:55):
do this and did it. So Graham, thanks very much
for joining the program. I'm really interested in your thoughts
around this. Now, now that you've heard the reasoning behind
what happened, why it happened, and the comfort with which
it sits with Graham Ober and Brown and canoe racing
(16:15):
in z some questions to you, is this embarrassing is
said on the global stage stink or is it okay
to exploit the loophole? I'm going with the okay, I'm
with that. Look, let's face it, the Olympic Games is
(16:36):
people dashed with cheats and underhanded behavior. This is not
unusual around. I'm not saying they're cheated, but you could
say it's a little underhanded, but it's sat perfectly within
the rules. Some smart man when all women when I like,
actually we can do this and we can get our
best boat through. So I don't think it's embarrassing. I
like the way they've exploited the loophole. The embarrassment should
(16:58):
lie up the top with the NZOC or the Olympic
Committee full stop by allowing something like that happened. Titan
loopholes don't allow this because people will exploit it if
they can. That's where the problem is. And as far
as the rowers or the paddlers or kayakers or canoers.
(17:18):
I don't think they'd be embarrassed. They knew exactly what
they were doing. I'm not embarrassed as Andy ZeLing mind.
Whatever you did, what you did, What about you? Oh,
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Speaker 6 (17:36):
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Speaker 1 (17:42):
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Speaker 10 (17:51):
It'd be I think it's three months total, probably, yeah,
about three months. We've all taken turns, learning and given
it a go in the front and the back, and
then we confirmed the me and maxib Be doing it
a little while ago. And then yeah, just been training
week after week.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
As Grant Clancy talking to Michael Burgess at the end
of the C two five hundred race, that's caused so
much consternation in and around New Zealand sporting circles, and
I'll take your calls on that. Shortly one hundred and
eighty ten eighty e can text as well nineteen nine
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Speaker 7 (18:37):
Yes, Well I wasn't too sure. You know, I didn't
know the stories behind it obviously when watching it it live,
but I saw we didn't get it off to a
good start. I thought, oh, have we fallen in or something?
And yeah, we were so behind, you know, we couldn't
even see our race because of how far behind we were,
and it was a it was a good laugh, really,
(18:59):
I just yeah, I re replayed it, and I just
it was one of the most funniest races I've ever watched.
I think.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
It's maybe even more of an insult than you make
it out to be, Michael, if you're laughing at the Olympians.
But I get where you're coming from. Are you you
satisfied with what you heard them from Graham Obile and
Brown around what they did and why they did it?
More's the point?
Speaker 7 (19:23):
Oh yeah, I'm not too angry or anything about it.
I'm more just found it. Yeah, obviously we had no
chance of winning, let's be realistic. And I was thinking
when they were going, well, actually I reckon I could
go faster. Maybe I can't, But yeah, that where we
were just so slow compared to the other other teams.
(19:45):
That was unbelievable. I can see why we did it,
and I'm not really too fussed about it, but I
can see why people would be forwarded against it. But
that is the main thing is I just found it
a good laugh. That was really my opinion on it.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
When I'm not being really grumpy old man, I tend
to look at everything the huge smile as well, Michael.
So I really like what you're saying here. I mean,
it's sport's so important, isn't it to get that freaked
out by.
Speaker 7 (20:11):
Yes, But I'll be watching tonight and I'm hoping we
can get some medals as Carrington and that and with
the fours and the two, so I am hoping for
meddles and not too much of what we saw that.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Look, the timing is great, Michael, isn't it Because everyone
will forget about that once Lisa Carrington starts reeling and
gold medals left right and seeing down. Good on your Michael,
Thanks very much for your call. Let's go now to
the finest sports broadcast from Wellingtons.
Speaker 10 (20:46):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
You can listen on Gold Sport, which is where you
want their ears. Thank you very much, Adam Coop, you
have a wonderful night. It is twenty eight minutes to eight.
This is a sports talk here on news Talk z B.
Let's carry on with the phone calls. Is my mate
from Australia. Good Chris. You know, mate, Hell, I'm not
(21:06):
so bad yourself. You're happy with this.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
I'm gonna I'm going to put out a little bit
of a froggy throat my apologies. I think the guy
you spoke to earlier, I'm just going to call them
the boat guy sounded like a politician. Yes, so what
he did is he didn't give us any answers. Look
my personal opinion, and I'm happy with people to fight
(21:32):
back about this. But if you qualify yourself in a
black jersey and a silver fern, do you try.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
The irony here is they didn't actually even qualify themselves.
Two other guys qualify that boat by beating a couple
of old fellows, one from Australia, a couple from from Samoa.
So they actually didn't even qualify that boat, and.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Then they just paddled their way through. It's been on
the media over here in Australia of like you know what.
He was just flagged the race to waste energy. So
sorry to save energy for something that we're not going
to win.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Well, So when when I asked Graham that question and
he said no, their heart rate was up day, you
found that a bit smelly that answer. You didn't buy
into it?
Speaker 10 (22:16):
Right?
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Ah, like a prawnam the sun for the day?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Man, You're not the only one. We've had plenty of
texts along that. I get the feeling that Oberl and
Brown is well prepped and he knew what was coming.
And I'm stoked that the actually answered the phone talk
to us. I think that says a lot.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
But yeah, yeah, Well, I personally just don't think qualifying
for one Olympic events to get into another that's disrespect
to that particular sport. So I hope they closed this
loophole moving forward, because if we don't have the saw
means to book the four on the water, so be
(22:52):
it don't qualify.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
And I think I'm with you, Chris, I don't and
thanks very much as always for your call. I don't
have any problem with the loophole. I don't have any
problem with what the team presented. It was an addit team.
It was strange, but the Olympic Games is full of
oddities and strangeness, right. The big lesson out of this
is going to intoc or going up above and going, hey,
(23:14):
this is not cool for your games. It doesn't make
you look good. And you've allowed teams like canoe Racing
in z to use this to put some guys in
a race that has madeor event looked stupid. I don't
blame New Zealand Rowing or New Zealand Canoe Racing. I'm
(23:40):
going to look higher above that and go who's actually
controlling this? And you get what you deserve anyway, Let's
going to look you know mate, how are you Gooday?
Speaker 11 (23:49):
Yeah? Thanks? So I can't believe I'm calling up on
the subject actually, but why it's one of those ones, Well,
just because I basically got I fear much about it.
But I really appreciate that you had the interview with
the man from Canoe Racing New Zealand. But there was
just one element that I think you know that he
didn't seem to cover off and you didn't ask the question.
(24:11):
And it relates to one of the other spots that,
as I understand, it was actually.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Up to grab k one K one thousand.
Speaker 11 (24:18):
Well, yeah, the K one one thousand, that was quite
Thompson spot, right, and so he actually earned that spot.
He qualified, but again it was Canoe Race in New
Zealand that decided, for whatever reason, they wanted to forego
that slot. I think it's because he wasn't part of
the four, the four you know, racing team members that
(24:40):
they wanted to send who could compete in the K four.
And so yeah they so so not only is it
that they have they sort of sort of jury wrecked
this whole thing to get to get the K four,
but they also for go for go full Winter another spot.
So yeah, I think another part of the whole story.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah, the interview sing longer, and you can go online
and listen to whole thing because I did address I
did address that rothbl and Brown and the reasons behind it.
It's kind of tied up with what they're supposed to do.
If I can just paraphrase this, that giving more athletes
and opportunity to go to the Olympic Games. So if
they are confronted with a situation where they can choose
(25:25):
between A one or a two, they're going to go
to the two. And I think it's part of their
entire setup because even though one qualified, they'd rather give
it to two because it's better for the sport. Now
he explains it a bit better than I do, but
it is in that online newsoks CB dot co dot
in Jeed. You can take a listen to the whole excuse.
(25:46):
But you know what, I was across that because I
found that interesting too. But as a couple of people
pointed out, he's pretty smooth as Graham, very very much
like a politician. He had no answer for everything. Luke.
Speaker 11 (25:58):
Now, thanks thanks to Duk for that. You appreciate it.
I'm justfinitely listened to it.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Yes, Luke, thanks very much for your call. Still more
to come if you want to ring up on the subject.
Love to hear from you. One hundred eighty ten eighties
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live from Paris. This is news Talk Zbason.
Speaker 6 (26:28):
We're supposed to be in lane two and they are
not there. Maybe the cameras aren't on them. Do you
believe they are still on course? Potentially they probably are
they were introduced. Weren't they at the top.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Still bred.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
As Malcolm Jordan there with the commentary what you had
to call up? They were out there somewhere, weren't they,
Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty Give us a call?
Interested in this situation between Brown and Clancy. You love
to hear from you also, Michael Burgess joins later of
us later on in the piece, Let's go out to
(27:10):
more calls though, Hi, lindsay, how are you?
Speaker 10 (27:13):
Hi?
Speaker 12 (27:13):
Darre see good to speak, nice to have your aspective,
give you a perspective from the My frustration here at
the inconsistency was the New Zealand Olympic committee that they
have these have this artificial rule in place that you
may qualify for the Olympics in your sport, but then
you've got to meet another standard from them. And if
(27:36):
I can give you an example of a medal chance
that New Zealand has missed out on in this Olympics
because of this inconsistency. So in tennis, we have the
number one woman's doubles player in the world, and we
have in arena sorry, Aaron Ratler, and we have Michael Venus,
(27:57):
who I think at the moment's ranked about twelve. Now
put them together, they were a very good medal chance.
I think they made the semi finals at Wimbledon. Michael
had already won medal of the last Olympics in doubles.
To play mixed doubles, you had to be playing either
singles or your gender doubles men's or women's. Aaron was playing.
(28:20):
She was qualified because of the rules that the ENDOC applied.
Michael didn't have a partner who could meet their standards
to be a top sixteen charts in doubles. So we
forego I won't say as a medal certainty, but a
really good chance of a branch. And yet this can
(28:43):
happen in tai King. I have full respect for what
Cano in New Zealand tried to do to make this happen.
I think the embarrassment is above them.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Well, that's what I was saying before. It's got to
go further up. I don't think you can plash someone
for exploiting or understanding the vagaries of the law and
going axely. We can make this work best for our sport.
So do you go, MZOC. You've got a fair amount
of grief coming their way for a number of decisions
they've made be an exer. Yes, there's a whole lot
(29:14):
of it doesn't matter so are they solely responsible in
this case?
Speaker 6 (29:18):
Order?
Speaker 2 (29:18):
They have to look higher to the Olympics full stop
and say what are you guys doing around allowing people
to compete that plainly aren't up to scratch? And does
that again, though, does that take away from the Olympic
ethos of having everybody having a go because that's part
of the joy of it, isn't it.
Speaker 12 (29:39):
Yeah, exactly, And the Olympics themselves have world cards as
a number of sports to allow countries to enter who
wouldn't ordinarily to qualify. So I don't think we can
force the global sports wherever they are to determine what
the selection criteria are, but we should if we're can
(30:00):
qualify athletes or boats or teams whatever that is according
to the rules of that sport been fine, let's participate,
but let's not have the New Zealand Limit Committee then
putting their own standards on top of that. I think
it's a rout which we're just going to have more
and more cases in sports arbitration trying.
Speaker 7 (30:21):
To deal with that.
Speaker 12 (30:21):
You know, there's some really unhappy athlete athletes across the board,
as you said, and I don't think that's the right
thing to do. You qualify, you can go and participate.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
And they've got to of course, just to defend them
if I can. They're going to look at the financing
of that and where their money's best spent. There's a
number of moving parts in it. But I completely understand
what you say, because you want to go to the
Olympic Games, one of the greatest things you could possibly
do as an athlete, and you'll try and try as
hard as you can to hit those cue marks. Only
if someone say yeah, nah with a pen stroke and
(30:53):
you're not going that is very very rough.
Speaker 12 (30:57):
Yeah, and say not to hold you up. But we
had a real medal chance in mixed doubles Tess real
meddal chants. So what if we're going to play these
rules in one sport, let's play them consistently rather than
miss that out.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
No, No, I get you, and I thank you very
much Lindsay for taking the time to call the program.
I think we've got to Michael Burgess about to arrive
and join us. He was all over that wasn't he?
He was there when it happened, got his mic out
the end of it, went hello, there's another who was
the under twenty three mountain biker, Sammy Maxwell. Went through
(31:35):
a lot of grief there as well, so you're not unusual.
He's joining us next as Michael Burgess. We're talking more
Olympic games and why not, because it's the season to
be Olympic. La La La La Lack.
Speaker 8 (31:52):
The Crazy Stories.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
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