August 19, 2024 • 8 mins
The All Blacks are in for a tough task ahead of their trip to South Africa for two crucial Rugby Championship clashes.
Former Springbok Kevin Putt joined Piney to discuss further.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from News Talk ZEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Is it going to come back on their side? Fac
tanser the chances to a turnover?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
The tanser the chance to a turnover. But it doesn't matter.
It's over.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
It's All Blacks heartbreak in the City of Loves, the
old foes South Africa.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
When the Rugby World Cup twelve eleven in.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
The World Cup Final Yes I later this week, the
All Blacks will head to South afrire get to face
the spring Box for the first time since that game
the twenty twenty three Rugby World Cup Final Ellis Park, Johannesburg,
then Newland's in Cape Town. To discuss prospects for this
mouth watering matchup across two matches, let's bring in form
of spring Box half back and astute rugby observer Kevin Putt.
(00:57):
Kevin the spring Box so far this year a comfortable
win over Wales, a narrow win and then a narrow
defeat when they played Ireland, a romp against Portugal and
two fairly straightforward victories over Australia. What have you made
first of all of South Africa's year so far?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Oh, you know, I actually find it quite exciting at
the moment. They are a stock standard. You know, Historically
they've been big men that have looked to beat the
heck out of people. That hasn't changed in any way.
But they've just added a few strings to their bow.
You've got to believe. And we're not necessarily going to
(01:36):
talk about Tony Brown in this process, but that just
expanded their game. They're a lot more inventive. You've seen
some excitement. The depth of their squad is to be
envy throughout the world. Yeah, look, i'd be scared and
Joe Burg, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I want to talk about Tony Brown. You can see
his fingerprints on this team.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Well, look, I'm always scared to give the credit to
someone because the only other guy that's as innovative as
him is actually Russ Erasmus, who's all you know, he's
bonkers anyway, comes up with weird stuff. You know, he
was one of the originals that when they played in Bloomfontein,
he had guys up on the stadium roof giving signals
(02:18):
to the guys for moves with colors and that from
you know, oh his bonkers. So it could be Russy himself.
But I've got to believe because of the inventiveness back
line work that it's got to be brown.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Is this then a better spring box side than the
one that won the World Cup last year?
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Yep. Yeah, I've got absolutely no doubt about that, mainly
because there's a strong degree of belief that they've built
a group of And you've got to be careful how
you say this, but I mean they have harder selection
issues because they've got to make sure that their contingent
is appropriate in terms of some of their their government
(03:01):
selection drives. So they've got such a depth of player
in there, and yet they can still consistently play exceptionally well,
and I mean obviously the rank number one in the
world at the moment. Yeah, I think I think they're
in great shape.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
How then, Kevin, should all Blacks fans be feeling about
the prospect of playing them twice in two very iconic
arenas away from home, with what will no doubt be
a rabid South African fan based behind them.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Well, look, we were also coming off a fantastic performance
against Arjie's. You know, we had to have a loss
to potentially turn it around, and let's hope we leave
that away. But Johannesburg will be the test, that will
be the massive one. It's altitude, it's a very close
Afrikaans environment, it is tough, it is tough playing there.
(03:55):
New Lance is more like you know, heading back to
Eden Park. So so really this is the one to
judge them on. This first one will be all good.
And I would say that the New Zealand public, like
the South African public, are salivating the opportunity for.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
This absolutely so in that case, then in terms of
the strength of South Africa and how good they are
at the moment and as you've outlined, probably better than
they were last year, do you think if you offered
Scott robertson a win and a loss on this tour
he would take it.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Look, I can't get into the head of the guys,
you know, it's not our Would we offer it to
New Zealand public, Yes, I think we'd bleomen take it,
you know, seriously, Joe Burt is incredibly hostile to play
out and I'm not building it up. I've played multiple
games myself there and we just used to love it
(04:48):
because no one wanted to go there. You can't breathe
for the first ten minutes with the altitude and it's
a tough game. It's a tough, tough game. But that aside,
this is also now looking at number one and number
three in the world. This is the same other than
Hemisphere jewel off to see you know, World Cup one game. Okay,
(05:11):
we can put that behind us, but this now is
two games to show who really is you know, up
there and working. And this is so important to Robinson
and as his whole crew there.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
How important was Saturday night, Kevin in terms of the
physicality that the All Blacks brought that they were lacking
a little bit in Wellington the previous week. How important
was that as they prepare for what will be probably
a step up in terms of physicality in the Republic.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Well, it was the difference. It won the game, and
it didn't win the game. It absolutely smashed the game.
The Archies weren't in it. That the question will be
you'll now be questioning who's going to turn up because
you know, the South Africans turn up every time they
play with that. Will New Zealand turn up with that?
And will that be enough? There's also got to be
that little edge. I mean what I like about New Zealand.
(05:56):
Wasn't just the physicality was they had a little bit
of an edge about their tactical components. There was a
couple of chip kicks early over that you know you
hadn't seen stop that rush defense. It was clever, clever stuff.
I guess the question that comes in is where was
that in the first test? You have you got a
player team to work out how to beat them. I'm
sure that their tacticians are a little bit better than that.
(06:18):
So I'm really looking at this first game because you
know what's going to come from South Africa, which New
Zealand team is going to pitch up.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Indeed, we'll also in quite a quite an unusual situation
now with South African sites now no longer in Super Rugby,
there are about I think seven players in this All
Black squad who have never played rugby in South Africa. Well,
South Africa's absence from Super Rugby play into their hands
when they face the All Blacks with you know, slightly
less experience in those conditions.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Jeez, I never thought of that. That's I mean, that's
a bizarre you know, on the history of our two countries.
That's a bizarre stat No, that's a very very good point.
And my again, if it was Newland's first up, wouldn't
be worried about it in any form this altitude, the
additional test on the LUNs and the rest of it. Yeah,
(07:08):
that opens a whole new case. Yeah, that's interesting. It's
going to be a tough one for some of the boys,
but I've got to be honest, I'd be less worried
about struggling with air and more worried about struggling with
some of those South African forwards slip and dealing to me.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Okay, great summary, Kevin, We're just looking. You've made me
salivate even more for the opening test at Alice Park
and just under two weeks. Thanks so much for joining
us with your analysis tonight. Cheers mate, Now, thank you Kevin.
Kevin Putt, former Springbox half back and astute analyst of
the game. Yeah, that point at the end was one
that kind of occurred to me over the weekend as well.
In fact, I think I saw it written somewhere or
(07:43):
it was reported. And it's obvious, isn't it. When you
don't play South African sides in Super Rugby, you don't
have to go to South Africa, whereas you know, from
nineteen ninety six up until when did they leave after COVID,
you know, you went every year, So there was never
an All Blacks player who went to South Africa for
the first time as an All Black to play rugby.
(08:03):
That all gone previously in the professional era, that all
gone previously in super rugby sites. So that's another little
layer of complication.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
For more from Sports Talk, listen live to News Talks'
b from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from News Talk ZEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Is it going to come back on their side? Fac
tanser the chances to a turnover?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
The tanser the chance to a turnover. But it doesn't matter.
It's over.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
It's All Blacks heartbreak in the City of Loves, the
old foes South Africa.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
When the Rugby World Cup twelve eleven in.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
The World Cup Final Yes I later this week, the
All Blacks will head to South afrire get to face
the spring Box for the first time since that game
the twenty twenty three Rugby World Cup Final Ellis Park, Johannesburg,
then Newland's in Cape Town. To discuss prospects for this
mouth watering matchup across two matches, let's bring in form
of spring Box half back and astute rugby observer Kevin Putt.
(00:57):
Kevin the spring Box so far this year a comfortable
win over Wales, a narrow win and then a narrow
defeat when they played Ireland, a romp against Portugal and
two fairly straightforward victories over Australia. What have you made
first of all of South Africa's year so far?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Oh, you know, I actually find it quite exciting at
the moment. They are a stock standard. You know, Historically
they've been big men that have looked to beat the
heck out of people. That hasn't changed in any way.
But they've just added a few strings to their bow.
You've got to believe. And we're not necessarily going to
(01:36):
talk about Tony Brown in this process, but that just
expanded their game. They're a lot more inventive. You've seen
some excitement. The depth of their squad is to be
envy throughout the world. Yeah, look, i'd be scared and
Joe Burg, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I want to talk about Tony Brown. You can see
his fingerprints on this team.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Well, look, I'm always scared to give the credit to
someone because the only other guy that's as innovative as
him is actually Russ Erasmus, who's all you know, he's
bonkers anyway, comes up with weird stuff. You know, he
was one of the originals that when they played in Bloomfontein,
he had guys up on the stadium roof giving signals
(02:18):
to the guys for moves with colors and that from
you know, oh his bonkers. So it could be Russy himself.
But I've got to believe because of the inventiveness back
line work that it's got to be brown.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Is this then a better spring box side than the
one that won the World Cup last year?
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Yep. Yeah, I've got absolutely no doubt about that, mainly
because there's a strong degree of belief that they've built
a group of And you've got to be careful how
you say this, but I mean they have harder selection
issues because they've got to make sure that their contingent
is appropriate in terms of some of their their government
(03:01):
selection drives. So they've got such a depth of player
in there, and yet they can still consistently play exceptionally well,
and I mean obviously the rank number one in the
world at the moment. Yeah, I think I think they're
in great shape.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
How then, Kevin, should all Blacks fans be feeling about
the prospect of playing them twice in two very iconic
arenas away from home, with what will no doubt be
a rabid South African fan based behind them.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Well, look, we were also coming off a fantastic performance
against Arjie's. You know, we had to have a loss
to potentially turn it around, and let's hope we leave
that away. But Johannesburg will be the test, that will
be the massive one. It's altitude, it's a very close
Afrikaans environment, it is tough, it is tough playing there.
(03:55):
New Lance is more like you know, heading back to
Eden Park. So so really this is the one to
judge them on. This first one will be all good.
And I would say that the New Zealand public, like
the South African public, are salivating the opportunity for.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
This absolutely so in that case, then in terms of
the strength of South Africa and how good they are
at the moment and as you've outlined, probably better than
they were last year, do you think if you offered
Scott robertson a win and a loss on this tour
he would take it.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Look, I can't get into the head of the guys,
you know, it's not our Would we offer it to
New Zealand public, Yes, I think we'd bleomen take it,
you know, seriously, Joe Burt is incredibly hostile to play
out and I'm not building it up. I've played multiple
games myself there and we just used to love it
(04:48):
because no one wanted to go there. You can't breathe
for the first ten minutes with the altitude and it's
a tough game. It's a tough, tough game. But that aside,
this is also now looking at number one and number
three in the world. This is the same other than
Hemisphere jewel off to see you know, World Cup one game. Okay,
(05:11):
we can put that behind us, but this now is
two games to show who really is you know, up
there and working. And this is so important to Robinson
and as his whole crew there.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
How important was Saturday night, Kevin in terms of the
physicality that the All Blacks brought that they were lacking
a little bit in Wellington the previous week. How important
was that as they prepare for what will be probably
a step up in terms of physicality in the Republic.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Well, it was the difference. It won the game, and
it didn't win the game. It absolutely smashed the game.
The Archies weren't in it. That the question will be
you'll now be questioning who's going to turn up because
you know, the South Africans turn up every time they
play with that. Will New Zealand turn up with that?
And will that be enough? There's also got to be
that little edge. I mean what I like about New Zealand.
(05:56):
Wasn't just the physicality was they had a little bit
of an edge about their tactical components. There was a
couple of chip kicks early over that you know you
hadn't seen stop that rush defense. It was clever, clever stuff.
I guess the question that comes in is where was
that in the first test? You have you got a
player team to work out how to beat them. I'm
sure that their tacticians are a little bit better than that.
(06:18):
So I'm really looking at this first game because you
know what's going to come from South Africa, which New
Zealand team is going to pitch up.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Indeed, we'll also in quite a quite an unusual situation
now with South African sites now no longer in Super Rugby,
there are about I think seven players in this All
Black squad who have never played rugby in South Africa. Well,
South Africa's absence from Super Rugby play into their hands
when they face the All Blacks with you know, slightly
less experience in those conditions.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Jeez, I never thought of that. That's I mean, that's
a bizarre you know, on the history of our two countries.
That's a bizarre stat No, that's a very very good point.
And my again, if it was Newland's first up, wouldn't
be worried about it in any form this altitude, the
additional test on the LUNs and the rest of it. Yeah,
(07:08):
that opens a whole new case. Yeah, that's interesting. It's
going to be a tough one for some of the boys,
but I've got to be honest, I'd be less worried
about struggling with air and more worried about struggling with
some of those South African forwards slip and dealing to me.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Okay, great summary, Kevin, We're just looking. You've made me
salivate even more for the opening test at Alice Park
and just under two weeks. Thanks so much for joining
us with your analysis tonight. Cheers mate, Now, thank you Kevin.
Kevin Putt, former Springbox half back and astute analyst of
the game. Yeah, that point at the end was one
that kind of occurred to me over the weekend as well.
In fact, I think I saw it written somewhere or
(07:43):
it was reported. And it's obvious, isn't it. When you
don't play South African sides in Super Rugby, you don't
have to go to South Africa, whereas you know, from
nineteen ninety six up until when did they leave after COVID,
you know, you went every year, So there was never
an All Blacks player who went to South Africa for
the first time as an All Black to play rugby.
(08:03):
That all gone previously in the professional era, that all
gone previously in super rugby sites. So that's another little
layer of complication.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
For more from Sports Talk, listen live to News Talks'
b from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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