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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
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does apply to those transactions. I'd love to have you
on the show via text, but more by telephone. I
love the sound of your voice. We'll be talking to
you about the America's Cup. You know it's just around
the court. Did you have any ideas?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Did you even know.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
To Oh it's there, Okay, right here it comes. We're
going to talk surely to a former director of Team
New Zealand, Jim Farmer kay C about the America's Cup,
About the engagement in the America's Cup, About the likelihood
of people picking this up and running with it, About
the schism I suppose you'd say between Grant and Dalton
(01:35):
and everybody else when it comes to support of this cup.
Jim Farmer joins us shortly up after that, we'll take
your thoughts on the America's Cup. Does it represent New
Zealanders anymore? Do you feel an attachment to this particular regatta?
This particular cup should be some fun talk light hundred
and eighty ten eighty, and then we'll catch up with
Joel Stransky. Yeah, Yeah, ninety ninety five World Cup, a winner,
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Speaker 2 (04:07):
Apparently he's playing hard Jersey he happily walked away from.
And that's sport today. It's a warm welcome to Jim
Farmer KC, former team director of at Team New Zealand,
as we look toward the start of the America's Cup
coming up later on the week. It's been a long
time at Jim, but here it comes. The action starts.
(04:30):
Welcome to the program. I suppose, first up, how dialed
don't they to this America's Cup considering what it's gone
through over the last couple of years.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
I'm not dial in it at all. I won't be
watching it. And I think that's true of a lot
of people who have remained dismayed by the fact that
the Cup has been taken offshore.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
You say, a lot of people this is in your
friend group, other sailors.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
And all of those, certainly people in my group for
community people I know who in the past have traveled
overseas when Team New Zealand was a challenger to places
like Valencia and so on San Francisco. They are not
interested in going to Barcelona to watch us defend the
(05:18):
Cup there. And it's true also of sailors that I
know and I am in the sailing world. I have
my own recent yot.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
It's a disconnect between Emirate's Team New Zealand and the fans,
or Grant Dalton and the fans, or the America's Cup
and the fans. Where do you think the schism is.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
I think, as far as New Zealand is a concerned,
they feel let down. They've supported New Zealand's attempts to
get the America's Cup from the very beginning nineteen eighty
seven in Perth. They've supported it when it's been one,
when it's been held here, and they expected it to
be held here when we're it continued to be held here. That,
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after all, was the whole point of putting money into
challenging for the Cup. So I think they do feel
very real let down and don't accept that it could
not have been credibly held here.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
It's one of the basic tenants. Isn't it of the
America's Cup. You win it, you defend it at home.
This is kind of screams of America's Cup to me,
So it really flies in the face of a lot
of what this cup's about.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yes, that's that's exactly right. And because the defender, defending
yacht cub has the right and to hold the cup
in their home waters and that's always nearly always how it's.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Been with the fan treatment. It feels like lack of
respect to the fan base out there from specifically Grant
Dalton and the people managing it. They appear to be
more interested in funding the defense, but not for the
reasons we think, because it's not coming back. Do you
feel if they do win, they'll ever bring it back?
(06:58):
Because I don't think they will.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
I don't think so. I think it'll be sold off
to the highest bidder. And while ago, I heard an
interview by Grant Dalton in which he talked about the
advantages of taking it to Sauthaudi Arabia where they did
have a preliminary regatta, and how wonderful a place it was.
I don't know whether he would have while he was there,
(07:21):
visited the public executions visited the public executions that take
place regularly in Saudi.
Speaker 8 (07:28):
But.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
I think I would predict that that's probably where it's
going to go next.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Jim, I heard exactly the same interview and Flatta gacid
that already is like wow, if we win, feeling confident,
definitely not coming home. It wasn't a shock or a
slap in the face. It was kind of predictable, but
it summarizes what's going on. So you take that into account.
Do you think people will forgive Grant Dalton for taking
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something that essentially New Zealanders feel very engaged and we
feel like it's ours after all the other campaigns and
it's been whipped away from us. Forgiveness is an interesting concept.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Isn't it. Yes, it is, and it goes back to
the Peter Blake days and everyone wore red sox to
help out at the time when the team then was
short of short of money, and it's sort of the
whole country got behind that and has been behind it
until now it no longer is it now. It's interesting
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that Toyota it's going to announce a tour of New
Zealand taking the Cup around and I think that probably
signifies a recognition that the New Zealand public is no
longer supporting Team New Zealand's effort in defending the cup.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
It almost feels Jim Farmer to be a desperate move
to try and engage New Zealanders by a touring what
is a magnificent piece of silverware around the country to
kind of curry some favor. Do you think people will
buy it that?
Speaker 8 (08:56):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I think a lot of people will be curious to
see the cup and they will visit that wherever that
is being displayed. You know, I'm sure that will be
the case, but but not to the extent that it
would otherwise have been.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
What about damage to the event in the name of
the America's Cup? Does this do much? Is this a
bit of a shape? Does it wiggle the needle as
far as respect is concerned for it as a holes
that has been so popular, so having it been taken
away and being rarely about money predominantly so they can
defend it, but it won't come back. Is that damaging?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Do you think I think the I think the event
has been damaged. Part of the evidence for that is
the popularity of the sale GP, which is event which
is now almost seen as something that's alternative to the
America's Cup.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Is sailing still at that level still relatable to New Zealanders.
There be a lot of New Zealanders out there who
haven't sailed, who don't know. But there's also a huge
amount of people that sailing is a massive part of
their life. But with this disconnect we speak of, is
it still relatable to the New Zealand the New Zealand population?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I think I think that question needs to be answered
in two ways. That there are a lot of people
who are very impressed by the technology, the foiling technology
and the speed that the boats get up to. With that,
there are other people, more what I would call the
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traditional sailing community, who are less interested in that and
who really can't relate to that because the boats that
they do their club racing in and so on are
not that kind of boat and they're never going to
be able to have that kind of boat. So I
think it's sort of a it's a bit of a
double edged sword really.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
So as far as important for sailing in New Zealand,
for getting people at a grassroots leave it will be
involved and maybe climb up through it is quite detached
because it's such a an elite part of what has
already perceived as an elite sports gym.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Yes, that's that's a good way of putting it.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
The needle won't move with the winning of a cup,
but once it starts and related on what you were saying,
then I know I've fallen into this camp because I
love the technology and the rating. Will this suddenly jump
into life when the America's Cup is being defended again?
Will people conveniently forget their issues once it's going and go, wow,
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look at that, We'll buy on it. And maybe that's
what people are asking for. But it's on the other
side of the world in the middle of the night,
so that might not work either. Will the event itself
when it's happening actually spark some interest.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
I'm sure it will. I'm sure it will sparks in
New Zealanders love sport, sport of all kinds. But as
you say, it is in the middle of the night
before whether people are willing to get up at two
o'clock in the morning, They do that to watch the
All Blacks players spring box in South Africa, but whether
they'll do it to watch this event? So will But
I think most won't and.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
They're all in New Zealand Yacht Squadron. How comfortable do
you think they are at the moment because that it's
under their name. But I just wonder how they're feeling
about what the general feeling is around this America's Cup.
Plainly they are keen to be involved and they're very
proud of it, but again they don't really have any
control over it, do that. We've seen that.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
No, they don't, And I think it's a good question
to ask the large number of Royal Zela and the
Hot Squadron members who've left who not continued their membership
with the Squadron because of what has actually happened. Can't
recall the figures, but it's been a very substantial drop
off and membership of the Squadron, which has caused financial
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difficulties with it or for it. The Squadron's position, the
leaders of the Squadron, their position has been that they
have a contract with Team New Zealand, the Team New
Zealand has the obligation and the right to manage the
defense of the Cup. There's a real issue as to
whether that extends to choosing the venue for the Cup,
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and I personally think as a matter of more it doesn't.
But the Squadron have taken a different view and under
under pressure from from Kimugilem and from Grant Dalton in particular.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Uncomfortable alliance. But it feels like they probably can't do
anything else. They have to go hand in hand, whether
they like it or not, such as the power that
Grant wields.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Well, that's what they say. The fact of the matter
is that it would have been it would have been
able to be managed financially here with the money private
money that was being offered by others. But you know,
whether it was enough money or the desired amount of
money is perhaps another question.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Jim Farmer, you obviously can't speak for the government, but
I wonder how they're feeling right now about their ninety
nine million dollars not being accepted. Do you think and
retrospect that it's not a bad move for us not
to be engaged.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah, I mean, really that was that was a pretty
generous offer and I think coupled with as I say,
at least a minimum of forty million that was offered
from private sources and plus whatever the sport that the
Ugland Council would be continuing to give all being done
in the in the cause of having the Cup here
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to attract foreign tourists and boats and so on, who
would all come here which is now now not happening.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Jim Farmer k C, former board member of Director of
Team New Zealand. Do you think it's ever going to
come back here again? Do you think we'll ever see
an America's Cup regatta on our waters?
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Personally, I don't think so.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
Forget the ref's call.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
You make a call on.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Sports Talk on your home of Sports News Talks.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
It's Jim Farmer KASE, a former director Team at New Zealand,
with his thoughts on the upcoming America's Cup. I'd like
your thoughts now eighty free phone number Nation. Why the
text machine is smoking. It's been so busy. There's a
lot of texts and both sides of the coin, I
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might add. And I think that's the fascinating thing about
this discussion. There are people who are up in arms
over what happened, who feel slabbed, who feel ripped off,
who feel like their cup is no longer theirs, and
there are other seamen of society going, hey, this is
the reality of the America's Cup. It costs no money,
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cost sorry, heaps of money. We can't afford it. So
if we want to keep it, Grant's got to go
out there and do it ever he can in order
to keep the Cup under New Zealand's name. So where
do you sit on this? Is it interesting enough to
you to actually get up and watch? Is it something
that you'll fully buy into? Do you feel leaped down
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that it's not here personally? As soon as the racing
starts on in like Flynn, I'll turn on or watch it.
I can't help myself. I love the technology, I love
the sailing, I love the men on the yacht that
I'm all over the rest of it. Oh hundred eighty
ten eighty lines are open. You give us your thoughts.
(16:19):
You can text as well, but I really want to
hear your voice. Talk to me about the America's Cup.
Do you feel represented? There's a still New Zealand's Cup.
This is News Talks.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
Bare you hear it from the biggest names and sports men.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Have your say on Oh wait, hundred eighty ten eighty
Sports Talk on your home of sports News Talk HIV.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Still bredive. This is sports Talk on News talks there.
B lines are open eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
m Darcy Walter Grave be great to talk to. Youre
talking about the America's Cup. Of course it's being paraded
around the motto second of September. I believe it gets
underway so everyone can have a real good look at
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what it is. You're not allowed to touch it. You
want me to pack it up? Apparently it's seventeen kilograms.
I doubt if I could pick it up, but I
suppose to encourage some engagement from the people going, that's right,
this is the cup that we won. This is ours.
I'm actually into this. I wonder if that will work.
Let's go to the phones I one hundred eighty ten
eighty and talk to me about the America's Cup. Does
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it represent you? Do you still have a burning passion
to see it one? Do you still feel as though
it's yours?
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Pete?
Speaker 9 (17:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (17:48):
Yeah, good, Pete?
Speaker 4 (17:50):
How are you good?
Speaker 10 (17:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (17:52):
I reckon.
Speaker 12 (17:52):
It's what's happened in New Zealand. We won Wishould Challenge.
It's just the scored ethics and moral rights. What he's done,
it's all about money and he's like, we supported that
America's Cup, don't know how many times, and they men
doing so well as textpayers money, and he is that
he's the zen of this country. And I would like
it to be stood down. I don't care way how
good he is. And I hope you get someone who's
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got more moral he's got far I he's got no morals,
just morally ethically. Is it a work which sport you
play with? It's America's Cup, rugby, whatever you host it
in your country. It's number one principle.
Speaker 9 (18:24):
Well, it's a.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Basic tenet of the America's Cup, isn't it. That's the
idea right the way since has been contested for You
win it, you keep it, and people are going to
come and pick it up off you. So there's also
a theory around this peet that that was then this
is now it's changed. Grant Dalton's defense here is like
on the amount of money we were going to get
would basically just be giving it away. So their argument
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is that we go and find as much money as
we can so we can defend it. So we've still
got the cup. But then the next argument as well,
what's the point in having it if we can't have
the joy of defending it and bring the money back
home again. It seems pointless, doesn't.
Speaker 12 (19:01):
It if it was a true New Zealander. You're thinking
of all that money that would generate coming here. If
we hosted it here, it will bring a lot of
terrorism here and all that we'll do. Akob probably don't
get as much what he's doing over there, but you
know there's New Zealand, and I say we've won it,
and I reckon you know, we probably wouldn't make as
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much associated be probably pretty myself as what he's getting
over there. But on myrals, it should be held here.
And I think as soon as he's gone from that
it things get the better. And I hope you get
a replacement and it should be made in writing. Is
that if you win it in New Zealand, I don't
care what they were there at his position is the
executive or whatever is, you must hold it in New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
End of story.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Pete, thanks very much for that strong words. Indeed, one
hundred eighty climb on board today. Conrad.
Speaker 13 (19:51):
Yeah, h I let down not watching it. On principle,
this was predicted twenty one years ago with the black
Heart campaign. But but the Stephen, He's on media turned
against the black Heart campaign instead of the fact that
it was actually basically a bunch of money, money driven
scenario what actually happened. So now back to today though,
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I mean, this is what's so ridiculous about it. They're
using nationalism to get us or involved in test payer money.
But then at the end of the day, you know,
Butterworth and Coup said the money talks man.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
The question that Conrad, will this work for you? Do
you get that surge of nationalism, regardless of what you
believe as far where it's being defend, where the money
is coming from, when it actually starts racing. Do you
suddenly get all on New Zealand? It Does it work or.
Speaker 8 (20:42):
Is that leaking?
Speaker 13 (20:43):
Well it worked from Eybe seven to ninety five because
it was legitimately then, I mean, here's the irony. Russell
true Test used nationalism to get anybody to care about
sale GP. That's the irony of it. Twenty years later
Russell cru Test to get national and yes they're seeing
down Lilington with New Zealand or Australia early whoever else
you anyone to care. I mean, there's certands of competitions every
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week send around the world. That's fine. I mean there
might be some random I don't know, to anyone's competition.
No one cares because it's not nationally.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Interesting. Hills and thanks very much Conrad calling through. I
like more calls one hundred and eighty ten eighty find
about your engagement around this America's cup where.
Speaker 10 (21:28):
You sick and Ben, I think, hey, how are you good?
I think we're in a position where we're kind of
pointing fingers after a potential government that kind of pushed
us away. I think we're the opportunity. Last time I
was hosted here during coviding a mass opportunity of money
and flights. But I think it was largely by the
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previous government. So I think it's just a reflection of
how it was treated last time from a New Zealander
point of view, even if the point of view is
different now.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Okay, So what you're saying is that the previous government
should have said we're going to give you two hundred
million to hold, and that would have changed everything. That's
the to what you're saying.
Speaker 10 (22:08):
I don't even think the government needed to give them
money away. I think the little soup Jotson the volume
of votes that wanted to come in through the gate
and spend a couple months down here because it's one
of the three countries in the world. I think it
was one of the I think it was a time
and an opportunity where decisions were made at the detriment.
There was part of that freaking position, right, But.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Grant so I said that in order to defend this,
we need a burg war chest, and we simply cannot
get the money here. So we've got to go where
the niney is and a ninety nine million dollars plus
whatever they could have mastered up simply wasn't going to
be enough. So I get your point around that, but
I think from a mere funding point of view, that
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didn't affect at all decision that team is made around
taking it away.
Speaker 10 (22:54):
I think there's also the thing people need to counter
and it's just like the money earned from the America's
Cup then gets also given to the Auckland Yacht Squadron, right,
which then gets to further develop our saving roots in Auckland.
So I think if if the event was held in Auckland,
the Auckland Yacht Squadron wouldn't be able to receive the
volume of a cash bonus.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
You say, well, he's in yacht squadron correct, Yeah, Okay,
I don't know.
Speaker 10 (23:18):
I think I think that I think the backhand of
that will be quite positive. So I think when people
are backlashing Dalton in terms of taking it over, he's
I think the growth for youth and sailing, he's going
to be a lot more money around to be able
to put him in the funding.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Okay, I don't know how that works, Ben, but thanks
very much for bringing that in. I have to do
a bit of research around that, talk to a few
people about where that money comes back and again how
it's spent, who actually benefits from it. Hey, thanks very
much for your call so far, plenty of time for more.
One hundred eighty ten eighty lines are open. I'll run
through your text, but definitely into calls before tex so
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if you want your voice heard. Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty this is news. Work's there, but it's seven
thirty so so I had to look at the America's
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Cup over the weekend. I was out of the Ruy
and he's head on the old squadron and the cup
itself only holds like half a bear. It's very disappointingly.
Look at the top of it, it's like, are you
supposed to celebrate out of that? Let's get to the
calls like one hundred and ten Dean, you've got the
air May was up.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Hey.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Look, it's a simple question. What if we lose. I mean,
it would have meant nothing for us, and the country's
on its knees at the moment that America's Cup could
have made a difference before for many people in Auckland
around the country. But if we lose, it would have
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been for nothing. All the hard money that we've done
over these years to support America's Cup will end within
twelve months.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Well, what if we lose over there? At least if
it was here, you have the world's attention, you'd have
people come if indeed, there's another point, if people did
come down and there's souper yachts and so on and
so forth. So you generate the GST, you bring some money,
you focus on New Zealand, and then we lose. We
still lose because we could still lose over there. Right,
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there's still a very good change, but they still lose
and we get nothing all there either.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Oh but there's that, there's that absolutely didn't come at
the time for the event like it was last the
last America's Cup, but also Kiwis and the time if
we lose, if it's on the outside, we've always we're
always as a country got up and invested into it
to go and try and win it again, but knowing
now that we'll never see it again regardless, No no
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one in New Zealand's going to fund as this is
now a circuit that's going to be overseas because we'll
never see it.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Well, you're right, and why would they because it's not
coming back. So it's like we're not going to give
you an we're not going to actually give you any
more interest because we're not interested because it's not ours anymore.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
It disappeared exactly and for that, so many people won't
be watching it because we know we'll never see it
again anyway.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Regardle, Sorry did either I got the wrong end of
your handle before when I was talking. I think I'm
going to miss some of your final detail. I know
where you're coming from now and I'm with you on
that one.
Speaker 8 (26:31):
Mate.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Thanks very much for your call.
Speaker 8 (26:32):
Hi, Daniel, how are you goody?
Speaker 11 (26:34):
Brother? How are you, mate, You're not so bad?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Where are you on this one?
Speaker 8 (26:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (26:39):
Look mate, I'm a gambling man and sports speededing and
so forth, and I'm putting my money just on share
principle against Team New Zealand because.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
You're a gambler. You're a self confessed gambler. You don't
have principles.
Speaker 11 (26:55):
Come on, Dan, you brother, you know it's one of
the one of the rare times that you know, I
want to see New Zealand lose. And the reason I
say that, and just bear with me, and I think
Dean covered it a little bit as well. I'd rather
lose at home, knowing that the benefits, the economic benefits
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to all the businesses that would have taken advantage of
having the America's Cup hosted here would have been such
a great economical boost to the country and particularly Auckland.
And for Grant Dulton to justify it as as a
a costing perspective, I just don't buy that, bro, I
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really do not buy that, because at the end of
the day, you know, we hosted the World Cup in
rugby and we came very close to losing that. But
this is quite quite a different dynamic, you know, because
everybody was asked the history of the America's Cup in
New Zealand was asked to contribute to help raise funds
for it. That was one of the very few times
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in New Zealand sporting history where everyone of the public
were asked to contribute. And mate, we took such a
huge pride in ourselves for winning and defending it, and
so here we've got a situation where we won it
right and we we should retain the right to host
it when or lose. I don't care whether we could
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only raise a court of what they could raise in Barcelona.
I don't really care. It's the honor of hosting it
and the ability of someone else to come and try
and take it off of our hands if they're good enough.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Well, that's the nature. That's the basic tenant, isn't it.
Of the America's Company. Someone's mentioned in and they said, look,
you know it's been done before. It's being defended, not
with the country who'd won it, but not in our case,
not for us. This is Valencia, wasn't it where it's
been held there because they've obviously paid a lot of
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money to host it. But that's not us. We didn't
do that this time around and Bermuda as well, but
this time around it's gone. And to hear Grant Dalton saying, oh, look,
it's amazing here in Saudi Arabia. It's lovely, everyone's fantastic
and this would be a great place to host the
next America's Cup. There was a dagger, it really was.
It was a dagger. It says to me, it's never
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coming back.
Speaker 14 (29:19):
Getting Richard, go, Darcy, how you going.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I'm well, what about yourself?
Speaker 14 (29:26):
Yeah, not bad, it's just driving home from work. And yeah,
your last couple of calls definitely tend to agree with him.
It should have been in New Zealand. At the time.
You don't know whether you're going to win or loser.
Have you lost that home, big deal, but at least
that you come with benefiting here. And then there's one
of the other callers said, then we peg ourselves up
(29:47):
and if we have a crack to try and get
it back, happy days. But yeah, it should have It
should have been a New Zealand because when you're organizing it,
you don't know if you're going to win or lose,
and you're better to lose it at home than lose
it overseas, because then it really is what it's.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Losing, the good will of the populace. And this is
something that was so incredible when when Sir Peter Blake
in the day got this campaign going on, let's win this,
everybody climbed on board. People who didn't say bought red Sox,
they couldn't care. That surge of nasal and was immense.
And I think that it has been eroded, something rotten
this time around. That's why I'm doing this show to
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find out how many people to go, you know what.
I've had enough, shoulders up, I'm gone.
Speaker 14 (30:27):
And it sounds absolutely the nationalisms just disappears on it
and be lost. People would still be having a good
time going. We had a crack at it and lots
of people came and spent money.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Yet we had a good time right.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Now, Yeah, I think so as well. And I get
what you're saying around. Sorry the next phone call because
I spent too much time talking Treva high. See you good, Trevor.
What have you got for us?
Speaker 6 (30:54):
Good?
Speaker 9 (30:54):
No, just my thoughts my memory of the Murray's Cup.
I remember I just lost Fathon Grund almost straight away
when he took over the running of it now. So
long ago. I think he was approach to government for
money because he had assigned team members to the team.
And I think it was when he took on Dean
Barker and he says, you know, he was on a
(31:16):
sports show this month. I don't know who's hosting it then,
but he just says no, no. Because the last the
last people that run it, there was a bit of
ferrari about money and where it went and models spent
on and I remember Grant come on and says, look,
I'm going to be different. I'm going to be open
and transparent about the money. I go on the radio
and I asked Grant, I says, at that five million
dollars the government gave you, how much money did you
(31:39):
get granted? And he wouldn't answer it.
Speaker 8 (31:43):
Was.
Speaker 9 (31:43):
That was about five minutes after saying he's going to
be different, He's going to be open, transparent. So that's
sort of a lost a bit of faith in him.
And then there was a couple of events and I
said San Francisco, I think it was, and there was
big questions about where the money had gone, and they
couldn't give all the facts and figures, and there was
talk about it was spent on family members going over
(32:06):
there watching the racers and living over there in hotels,
and that it.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Can be proved. Sure, I mean, they do what they
want with the money they've got. But when it comes
to money that comes directly from our government and how
that has looked at, and if it goes into a
big slash fund, how can you determine which it went
where and how? And if it's been given to the
America's Couple team of Zealand to spend that they do
what they will with it. And when you start getting
into those accusation modes, that can be very dangerous. It
(32:32):
can be quite litigious because they weren't acquisations.
Speaker 9 (32:36):
They weren't accusation that they were questions.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Yeah, people start climbing into that can get a bit sticky.
But I think the essence of it all here Tremor
is that well, from what I can gather through the
text and the calls, that people don't feel as connected
as they used to be.
Speaker 9 (32:53):
Of course, not.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Are you going to get up and watch it?
Speaker 9 (32:58):
Probably not? Look you know, And I think grant, I
think grants are very I don't know the right weather,
it's going very crafty business man, and I would say
you need a couple of crowbars to get it off.
Grant Dalton, whilst he like will never be can somebody
else from New Zealand be represented of it, represented of
it and in charge of it? Are making all the money?
(33:20):
I would say that Grant would have had it set
up so you know he's not in charge of it.
It's not New Zealand's anymore. That's what I think. Well,
that's the suppression I've got home with his money that
he's made over the years out of it.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Well, Treuvid, I think other people have that impression as well.
Do you want anything with Grant Dalton? He's an impressive fundraiser.
You got to give him that very hard nos knows
what he wants, goes out there and gets it. I
mean he's worked, he's gone real hard on this, but
he has eroded the trust and the passion that New
(33:56):
Zealanders have for the America's Cup over the time. People
have just finally gone, I can't do this anymore, I
believe anyway, But lots of text and suggesting maybe that's
not the case. I'm a mad yachting family up and
coming Olympic campaigner. We and so many others, though, are gutted.
Dalton's only interested in the cash. We as a family
(34:16):
are no longer supporting it. New Zid Olympians to spite
millions of to spite millions as underdogs have overcome all
sorts of odds. Having the cat here would bring a
heart back to Auckland. We want it back. Let's hope
the next one is in England and then we can
put a proper New Zealand Challenge app. It's actually getting
more and more negative the longer this goes on. Let's
(34:40):
walk away, Let's swim away. I've got a rugby player
around the corner. His name is Joel Stransky's handy. It's
a week and a half to go yet, and I
can wait because I will wait, because I cannot hasten time.
Be patient. All Blacks up against the spring Box. It's
not so far away now, but we'd been of a preview.
(35:01):
Joel Stransky up next, Pommy track, mouth watering. But we
have to wait. We have to wait for a week
and a half before the All Blacks and the spring
Box go at it again and what will be a
(35:21):
replay of last year's World Cup man who knows more
than a few things about World Cup fix just between
the All Blacks and the spring boxes. Joel Stransky, He
joins us now, Joel, welcome to the program. It's taken
a while, but it looks like in a week and
a half we get what we want.
Speaker 8 (35:36):
How are you, Jasy, I'm good, Thank you, my friend,
I'm very good, thank you, and hope you are well
and also looking forward to this game, isn't it? It's
one of those little unknown ones where we're not really
sure what to expect right now.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
I think after the first up game against Argentina, everybody
back here was starting to freak out a wee bird.
But the rights were wronged last week in But then
look across to what South Africa did, whatever team they
put out to Australia, there's a reasonable amount to fear it.
That doesn't look like you've gone backwards at all since
the World Cup. The team looks stronger.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Is that fair?
Speaker 8 (36:08):
I think it is fair. And what I love about
the way Russ He's gone about things is he's starting
to introduce the young players and he's thrown them to
the wolves once or twice in the easier test matches. Again,
and I say the Wolves with all respect, but he's
chucked them all in against Portugal, he's chucked some of
them in against Australia on the weekend. He's played them
as combinations together and he's played them with combinations with
(36:29):
some of the oldest stalwarts. You can help them along.
And I think it's been great. I think to see
the youngsters coming through, to see them putting their hands up,
to see them fighting in tough conditions on the weekend,
you know, it really good. There's no doubt we as
South Africa have a plethora of rugby talent and there's
no doubt that Russi has a wonderful ethos, a wonderful team,
(36:49):
a wonderful way of going about things as a coach
and marrying those two together, bringing that those youngsters into
that environment. It just seems to be quite smooth at
the moment.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Is there any area where possibly the Springboks are lacking
maybe in numbers or execution? Can you spy anything?
Speaker 8 (37:06):
Oh? Absolutely, absolutely so. I think we we still struggle
to create scoring opportunities. We have individual brilliance, we have
you know, we have the muchas Olam Pimpy on a
turnaround ball, kick a wonderful grubber and Fussy goes in
at the corner. We can more. I think we haven't
quite mastered, you know, the sort of second third wave
(37:27):
of attack that we see in the Irish doing with
such sophistication. We seeing England starting to do it a
little bit better. We see the All Blacks do it
at times, and that, I guess is why Russis brought
in Tony Brown. And we saw that influence in the
first Test against Ireland. We saw a real, you know,
move towards it. Polot may have kick Pully, but I
thought the way he came around the corner and he
(37:48):
sent players up the next channel and into the outside
lanes and used the weather of the field. Thought it
was sensational. Then the second Test we didn't do it
at all. First Test against Australia a little bit of
it us back with Sasha Fumberzulu, and then on the
weekend obviously the conditions were just horrendous, they were atrocious.
But I can't help feeling that when we get back
to Park and then down to d Charles Stadium in
(38:08):
Cape Town, I'm hopeful, I'm really hopeful that we will
see that that that extra weapon added to our armory.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Well, that Joel strengths is your strength. In fact, you
managed to pull out of the bag like you did
last week with a slightly lesser team. He don't say
b team. It was a different team and in those
conditions and now you're back to where it's hard and
fast and dry.
Speaker 8 (38:27):
They'll revel on that.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Well they even know what's hurt them.
Speaker 8 (38:29):
Well, they will revel in it. Yes, And I think,
you know, for us, as much as the All Blacks
surprisingly lost to Argentina two weeks ago and they were
much much better on the weekend, they were really good
on the weekend. For us, the All Blacks will always
be the arch enemy, the old foe, you know, the
traditional team that we judge ourselves against. It's great to
win World Cups, but we lag behind I think in
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the in the stakes against the All Blacks. And for
Springbok player, for a young man growing up in this country,
you dream you aspire to play for South Africa against
the All Blacks. So these two tests will be enormous
and they'll want to, you know, go out there and
deliver top notch performances. They know against Ireland, they weren't
particularly good. They were decent in the first test scrape
Time got beat in the second by two drop goals.
(39:11):
But they want to be better. They Rusty wants warriors.
He wants them to go out there and play for
their country, play for pride. Think I watched his interview
this morning, thank the nation by putting in all the
effort in, you know, And I think I think that
sort of sums them up. They are so difficult to
beat defensively, strong, big and powerful. They rush, they put
you under pressure, and when they do score tries, they
get a sniff. They do score those tries, you know.
(39:32):
So to your point that they're a formidable side and
they'll be unbelievably difficult to beat, particularly on home soil.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Interesting the All Blacks, even though they've lost a couple
of the old stages, and yes it was only Argentina.
I don't want to understay them and what they're but
I think they probably played the final of the week before.
But the pack over the weekend of the All Blacks
look fantastic. It looks like there's actually a bunch of
men there who might be able to fight with the
(39:59):
South Africans on on even standing. It's got a great
front row, a couple of young locks are looking amazing.
We've got some brutal loose forward's Cane is on his
way back. You'd expect that Barrett will be back too
when it happens. And Ardie Savia so man for man,
it's not a pat contest.
Speaker 8 (40:15):
There, No, it's not. It's not at all. It's a
great contest. And you know the other thing we need
to also take into a counties that is that raises
it'll take a little while for the team to settle
under him, to play the way he wants them to play,
to build his ethos and his character and his personality
in that team. And on the weekend there were signs
(40:35):
of that. You know, he's got such a wonderful record.
It has to Rolf at some point. It has to
come to the ford. On the weekend it showed, as
you said, the pack stood up, they were they were physical.
But but and again I said, with a little caveat
against an Argentina and team that weren't nearly as good
and as physical as they were as they were the
week before. When you come to Ellis Park to play
(40:56):
the Springboks, you have to stand up big time. You
have to put your body and heart and soul on
the line and you have to take an absolute beating
and hand out a beating and hope you come out
on top. And so it will be a bit of
a different contest.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Instart of what could be a fantastic competitive era, not
between the teams but the coaches. The Racy v Razor era.
It's got a lot about it, hasn't it. The two
distinct characters and the coaching ability that they have. I
think this is going to give us a lot to
laugh to enjoy right the way through. These guys are
a couple of huge characters.
Speaker 8 (41:28):
So it's interesting you say that. So yeah, so if
you look like where my head is around world rugby
at the moment. So the All Blacks are in that
transition stage, a lot of great players one or two
star wars gone, but new coach evolving into raisers. Whereth played,
Russi's in the evolution stage. He's got probably ten or
eleven players that are in their early to mid fifties
(41:49):
that he's probably going to have to phase out over
the next three years before the next World Cup. Very
much is a stage of evolution. Australia, Joe Schmidt taking over.
Now you know, they trying to find their feet and
in a new environment with a new approach and trying
to you know, find players to play at that level
both week, starting to you know, get results for England.
World rugby is at a very interesting juncture, particularly in
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the Southern hemisphere. And you know, I think a lot
will happened, a lot that all the coaches in the
last few days have said in rugby, a week is
a long time, you know, before the next World Cup.
There is a huge amount that's going to happen. And
these rivalries, these relationships, these are the ones we really
look forward to and we love about the game of
that that is just so special to all of us.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Dy and thank you very much Joel Stransky for joining us.
And I will wait because I have to wait because
I can't shape shifts. Time not long, Togo though, salibating
over it a week and a half. Thanks for your call,
Thanks for your text. I couldn't get through the text.
There are so many and to be fair, eighty percent
(42:49):
of them are quite angry. Lucky we've got Blair and
Pete because we love them. Without them, Brant will be
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does apply to those transactions. I'd love to have you
on the show via text, but more by telephone. I
love the sound of your voice. We'll be talking to
you about the America's Cup. You know it's just around
the court. Did you have any ideas?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Did you even know.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
To Oh it's there, Okay, right here it comes. We're
going to talk surely to a former director of Team
New Zealand, Jim Farmer kay C about the America's Cup,
About the engagement in the America's Cup, About the likelihood
of people picking this up and running with it, About
the schism I suppose you'd say between Grant and Dalton
(01:35):
and everybody else when it comes to support of this cup.
Jim Farmer joins us shortly up after that, we'll take
your thoughts on the America's Cup. Does it represent New
Zealanders anymore? Do you feel an attachment to this particular regatta?
This particular cup should be some fun talk light hundred
and eighty ten eighty, and then we'll catch up with
Joel Stransky. Yeah, Yeah, ninety ninety five World Cup, a winner,
(01:58):
former South African fly half and an all round good man.
Talk about South African all blacks ahead of the two tests.
It's still a week and a half way, but this
is shaping as quite the tour. The big razor, the
rassy engagement should be all the fun of a circus.
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Just a jersey protess problemself on playing hut and that's
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fielder to put on your best performance. And you know
said turn off of my.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Apparently he's playing hard Jersey he happily walked away from.
And that's sport today. It's a warm welcome to Jim
Farmer KC, former team director of at Team New Zealand,
as we look toward the start of the America's Cup
coming up later on the week. It's been a long
time at Jim, but here it comes. The action starts.
(04:30):
Welcome to the program. I suppose, first up, how dialed
don't they to this America's Cup considering what it's gone
through over the last couple of years.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
I'm not dial in it at all. I won't be
watching it. And I think that's true of a lot
of people who have remained dismayed by the fact that
the Cup has been taken offshore.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
You say, a lot of people this is in your
friend group, other sailors.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
And all of those, certainly people in my group for
community people I know who in the past have traveled
overseas when Team New Zealand was a challenger to places
like Valencia and so on San Francisco. They are not
interested in going to Barcelona to watch us defend the
(05:18):
Cup there. And it's true also of sailors that I
know and I am in the sailing world. I have
my own recent yot.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
It's a disconnect between Emirate's Team New Zealand and the fans,
or Grant Dalton and the fans, or the America's Cup
and the fans. Where do you think the schism is.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
I think, as far as New Zealand is a concerned,
they feel let down. They've supported New Zealand's attempts to
get the America's Cup from the very beginning nineteen eighty
seven in Perth. They've supported it when it's been one,
when it's been held here, and they expected it to
be held here when we're it continued to be held here. That,
(05:59):
after all, was the whole point of putting money into
challenging for the Cup. So I think they do feel
very real let down and don't accept that it could
not have been credibly held here.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
It's one of the basic tenants. Isn't it of the
America's Cup. You win it, you defend it at home.
This is kind of screams of America's Cup to me,
So it really flies in the face of a lot
of what this cup's about.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yes, that's that's exactly right. And because the defender, defending
yacht cub has the right and to hold the cup
in their home waters and that's always nearly always how it's.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Been with the fan treatment. It feels like lack of
respect to the fan base out there from specifically Grant
Dalton and the people managing it. They appear to be
more interested in funding the defense, but not for the
reasons we think, because it's not coming back. Do you
feel if they do win, they'll ever bring it back?
(06:58):
Because I don't think they will.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
I don't think so. I think it'll be sold off
to the highest bidder. And while ago, I heard an
interview by Grant Dalton in which he talked about the
advantages of taking it to Sauthaudi Arabia where they did
have a preliminary regatta, and how wonderful a place it was.
I don't know whether he would have while he was there,
(07:21):
visited the public executions visited the public executions that take
place regularly in Saudi.
Speaker 8 (07:28):
But.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
I think I would predict that that's probably where it's
going to go next.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Jim, I heard exactly the same interview and Flatta gacid
that already is like wow, if we win, feeling confident,
definitely not coming home. It wasn't a shock or a
slap in the face. It was kind of predictable, but
it summarizes what's going on. So you take that into account.
Do you think people will forgive Grant Dalton for taking
(07:55):
something that essentially New Zealanders feel very engaged and we
feel like it's ours after all the other campaigns and
it's been whipped away from us. Forgiveness is an interesting concept.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Isn't it. Yes, it is, and it goes back to
the Peter Blake days and everyone wore red sox to
help out at the time when the team then was
short of short of money, and it's sort of the
whole country got behind that and has been behind it
until now it no longer is it now. It's interesting
(08:28):
that Toyota it's going to announce a tour of New
Zealand taking the Cup around and I think that probably
signifies a recognition that the New Zealand public is no
longer supporting Team New Zealand's effort in defending the cup.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
It almost feels Jim Farmer to be a desperate move
to try and engage New Zealanders by a touring what
is a magnificent piece of silverware around the country to
kind of curry some favor. Do you think people will
buy it that?
Speaker 8 (08:56):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I think a lot of people will be curious to
see the cup and they will visit that wherever that
is being displayed. You know, I'm sure that will be
the case, but but not to the extent that it
would otherwise have been.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
What about damage to the event in the name of
the America's Cup? Does this do much? Is this a
bit of a shape? Does it wiggle the needle as
far as respect is concerned for it as a holes
that has been so popular, so having it been taken
away and being rarely about money predominantly so they can
defend it, but it won't come back. Is that damaging?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Do you think I think the I think the event
has been damaged. Part of the evidence for that is
the popularity of the sale GP, which is event which
is now almost seen as something that's alternative to the
America's Cup.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Is sailing still at that level still relatable to New Zealanders.
There be a lot of New Zealanders out there who
haven't sailed, who don't know. But there's also a huge
amount of people that sailing is a massive part of
their life. But with this disconnect we speak of, is
it still relatable to the New Zealand the New Zealand population?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I think I think that question needs to be answered
in two ways. That there are a lot of people
who are very impressed by the technology, the foiling technology
and the speed that the boats get up to. With that,
there are other people, more what I would call the
(10:30):
traditional sailing community, who are less interested in that and
who really can't relate to that because the boats that
they do their club racing in and so on are
not that kind of boat and they're never going to
be able to have that kind of boat. So I
think it's sort of a it's a bit of a
double edged sword really.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
So as far as important for sailing in New Zealand,
for getting people at a grassroots leave it will be
involved and maybe climb up through it is quite detached
because it's such a an elite part of what has
already perceived as an elite sports gym.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Yes, that's that's a good way of putting it.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
The needle won't move with the winning of a cup,
but once it starts and related on what you were saying,
then I know I've fallen into this camp because I
love the technology and the rating. Will this suddenly jump
into life when the America's Cup is being defended again?
Will people conveniently forget their issues once it's going and go, wow,
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look at that, We'll buy on it. And maybe that's
what people are asking for. But it's on the other
side of the world in the middle of the night,
so that might not work either. Will the event itself
when it's happening actually spark some interest.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
I'm sure it will. I'm sure it will sparks in
New Zealanders love sport, sport of all kinds. But as
you say, it is in the middle of the night
before whether people are willing to get up at two
o'clock in the morning, They do that to watch the
All Blacks players spring box in South Africa, but whether
they'll do it to watch this event? So will But
I think most won't and.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
They're all in New Zealand Yacht Squadron. How comfortable do
you think they are at the moment because that it's
under their name. But I just wonder how they're feeling
about what the general feeling is around this America's Cup.
Plainly they are keen to be involved and they're very
proud of it, but again they don't really have any
control over it, do that. We've seen that.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
No, they don't, And I think it's a good question
to ask the large number of Royal Zela and the
Hot Squadron members who've left who not continued their membership
with the Squadron because of what has actually happened. Can't
recall the figures, but it's been a very substantial drop
off and membership of the Squadron, which has caused financial
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difficulties with it or for it. The Squadron's position, the
leaders of the Squadron, their position has been that they
have a contract with Team New Zealand, the Team New
Zealand has the obligation and the right to manage the
defense of the Cup. There's a real issue as to
whether that extends to choosing the venue for the Cup,
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and I personally think as a matter of more it doesn't.
But the Squadron have taken a different view and under
under pressure from from Kimugilem and from Grant Dalton in particular.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Uncomfortable alliance. But it feels like they probably can't do
anything else. They have to go hand in hand, whether
they like it or not, such as the power that
Grant wields.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Well, that's what they say. The fact of the matter
is that it would have been it would have been
able to be managed financially here with the money private
money that was being offered by others. But you know,
whether it was enough money or the desired amount of
money is perhaps another question.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Jim Farmer, you obviously can't speak for the government, but
I wonder how they're feeling right now about their ninety
nine million dollars not being accepted. Do you think and
retrospect that it's not a bad move for us not
to be engaged.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah, I mean, really that was that was a pretty
generous offer and I think coupled with as I say,
at least a minimum of forty million that was offered
from private sources and plus whatever the sport that the
Ugland Council would be continuing to give all being done
in the in the cause of having the Cup here
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to attract foreign tourists and boats and so on, who
would all come here which is now now not happening.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Jim Farmer k C, former board member of Director of
Team New Zealand. Do you think it's ever going to
come back here again? Do you think we'll ever see
an America's Cup regatta on our waters?
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Personally, I don't think so.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
Forget the ref's call.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
You make a call on.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Sports Talk on your home of Sports News Talks.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
It's Jim Farmer KASE, a former director Team at New Zealand,
with his thoughts on the upcoming America's Cup. I'd like
your thoughts now eighty free phone number Nation. Why the
text machine is smoking. It's been so busy. There's a
lot of texts and both sides of the coin, I
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might add. And I think that's the fascinating thing about
this discussion. There are people who are up in arms
over what happened, who feel slabbed, who feel ripped off,
who feel like their cup is no longer theirs, and
there are other seamen of society going, hey, this is
the reality of the America's Cup. It costs no money,
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cost sorry, heaps of money. We can't afford it. So
if we want to keep it, Grant's got to go
out there and do it ever he can in order
to keep the Cup under New Zealand's name. So where
do you sit on this? Is it interesting enough to
you to actually get up and watch? Is it something
that you'll fully buy into? Do you feel leaped down
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that it's not here personally? As soon as the racing
starts on in like Flynn, I'll turn on or watch it.
I can't help myself. I love the technology, I love
the sailing, I love the men on the yacht that
I'm all over the rest of it. Oh hundred eighty
ten eighty lines are open. You give us your thoughts.
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You can text as well, but I really want to
hear your voice. Talk to me about the America's Cup.
Do you feel represented? There's a still New Zealand's Cup.
This is News Talks.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
Bare you hear it from the biggest names and sports men.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Have your say on Oh wait, hundred eighty ten eighty
Sports Talk on your home of sports News Talk HIV.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Still bredive. This is sports Talk on News talks there.
B lines are open eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
m Darcy Walter Grave be great to talk to. Youre
talking about the America's Cup. Of course it's being paraded
around the motto second of September. I believe it gets
underway so everyone can have a real good look at
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what it is. You're not allowed to touch it. You
want me to pack it up? Apparently it's seventeen kilograms.
I doubt if I could pick it up, but I
suppose to encourage some engagement from the people going, that's right,
this is the cup that we won. This is ours.
I'm actually into this. I wonder if that will work.
Let's go to the phones I one hundred eighty ten
eighty and talk to me about the America's Cup. Does
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it represent you? Do you still have a burning passion
to see it one? Do you still feel as though
it's yours?
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Pete?
Speaker 9 (17:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (17:48):
Yeah, good, Pete?
Speaker 4 (17:50):
How are you good?
Speaker 10 (17:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (17:52):
I reckon.
Speaker 12 (17:52):
It's what's happened in New Zealand. We won Wishould Challenge.
It's just the scored ethics and moral rights. What he's done,
it's all about money and he's like, we supported that
America's Cup, don't know how many times, and they men
doing so well as textpayers money, and he is that
he's the zen of this country. And I would like
it to be stood down. I don't care way how
good he is. And I hope you get someone who's
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got more moral he's got far I he's got no morals,
just morally ethically. Is it a work which sport you
play with? It's America's Cup, rugby, whatever you host it
in your country. It's number one principle.
Speaker 9 (18:24):
Well, it's a.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Basic tenet of the America's Cup, isn't it. That's the
idea right the way since has been contested for You
win it, you keep it, and people are going to
come and pick it up off you. So there's also
a theory around this peet that that was then this
is now it's changed. Grant Dalton's defense here is like
on the amount of money we were going to get
would basically just be giving it away. So their argument
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is that we go and find as much money as
we can so we can defend it. So we've still
got the cup. But then the next argument as well,
what's the point in having it if we can't have
the joy of defending it and bring the money back
home again. It seems pointless, doesn't.
Speaker 12 (19:01):
It if it was a true New Zealander. You're thinking
of all that money that would generate coming here. If
we hosted it here, it will bring a lot of
terrorism here and all that we'll do. Akob probably don't
get as much what he's doing over there, but you
know there's New Zealand, and I say we've won it,
and I reckon you know, we probably wouldn't make as
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much associated be probably pretty myself as what he's getting
over there. But on myrals, it should be held here.
And I think as soon as he's gone from that
it things get the better. And I hope you get
a replacement and it should be made in writing. Is
that if you win it in New Zealand, I don't
care what they were there at his position is the
executive or whatever is, you must hold it in New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
End of story.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Pete, thanks very much for that strong words. Indeed, one
hundred eighty climb on board today. Conrad.
Speaker 13 (19:51):
Yeah, h I let down not watching it. On principle,
this was predicted twenty one years ago with the black
Heart campaign. But but the Stephen, He's on media turned
against the black Heart campaign instead of the fact that
it was actually basically a bunch of money, money driven
scenario what actually happened. So now back to today though,
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I mean, this is what's so ridiculous about it. They're
using nationalism to get us or involved in test payer money.
But then at the end of the day, you know,
Butterworth and Coup said the money talks man.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
The question that Conrad, will this work for you? Do
you get that surge of nationalism, regardless of what you
believe as far where it's being defend, where the money
is coming from, when it actually starts racing. Do you
suddenly get all on New Zealand? It Does it work or.
Speaker 8 (20:42):
Is that leaking?
Speaker 13 (20:43):
Well it worked from Eybe seven to ninety five because
it was legitimately then, I mean, here's the irony. Russell
true Test used nationalism to get anybody to care about
sale GP. That's the irony of it. Twenty years later
Russell cru Test to get national and yes they're seeing
down Lilington with New Zealand or Australia early whoever else
you anyone to care. I mean, there's certands of competitions every
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week send around the world. That's fine. I mean there
might be some random I don't know, to anyone's competition.
No one cares because it's not nationally.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Interesting. Hills and thanks very much Conrad calling through. I
like more calls one hundred and eighty ten eighty find
about your engagement around this America's cup where.
Speaker 10 (21:28):
You sick and Ben, I think, hey, how are you good?
I think we're in a position where we're kind of
pointing fingers after a potential government that kind of pushed
us away. I think we're the opportunity. Last time I
was hosted here during coviding a mass opportunity of money
and flights. But I think it was largely by the
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previous government. So I think it's just a reflection of
how it was treated last time from a New Zealander
point of view, even if the point of view is
different now.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Okay, So what you're saying is that the previous government
should have said we're going to give you two hundred
million to hold, and that would have changed everything. That's
the to what you're saying.
Speaker 10 (22:08):
I don't even think the government needed to give them
money away. I think the little soup Jotson the volume
of votes that wanted to come in through the gate
and spend a couple months down here because it's one
of the three countries in the world. I think it
was one of the I think it was a time
and an opportunity where decisions were made at the detriment.
There was part of that freaking position, right, But.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Grant so I said that in order to defend this,
we need a burg war chest, and we simply cannot
get the money here. So we've got to go where
the niney is and a ninety nine million dollars plus
whatever they could have mastered up simply wasn't going to
be enough. So I get your point around that, but
I think from a mere funding point of view, that
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didn't affect at all decision that team is made around
taking it away.
Speaker 10 (22:54):
I think there's also the thing people need to counter
and it's just like the money earned from the America's
Cup then gets also given to the Auckland Yacht Squadron, right,
which then gets to further develop our saving roots in Auckland.
So I think if if the event was held in Auckland,
the Auckland Yacht Squadron wouldn't be able to receive the
volume of a cash bonus.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
You say, well, he's in yacht squadron correct, Yeah, Okay,
I don't know.
Speaker 10 (23:18):
I think I think that I think the backhand of
that will be quite positive. So I think when people
are backlashing Dalton in terms of taking it over, he's
I think the growth for youth and sailing, he's going
to be a lot more money around to be able
to put him in the funding.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Okay, I don't know how that works, Ben, but thanks
very much for bringing that in. I have to do
a bit of research around that, talk to a few
people about where that money comes back and again how
it's spent, who actually benefits from it. Hey, thanks very
much for your call so far, plenty of time for more.
One hundred eighty ten eighty lines are open. I'll run
through your text, but definitely into calls before tex so
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if you want your voice heard. Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty this is news. Work's there, but it's seven
thirty so so I had to look at the America's
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Cup over the weekend. I was out of the Ruy
and he's head on the old squadron and the cup
itself only holds like half a bear. It's very disappointingly.
Look at the top of it, it's like, are you
supposed to celebrate out of that? Let's get to the
calls like one hundred and ten Dean, you've got the
air May was up.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Hey.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Look, it's a simple question. What if we lose. I mean,
it would have meant nothing for us, and the country's
on its knees at the moment that America's Cup could
have made a difference before for many people in Auckland
around the country. But if we lose, it would have
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been for nothing. All the hard money that we've done
over these years to support America's Cup will end within
twelve months.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Well, what if we lose over there? At least if
it was here, you have the world's attention, you'd have
people come if indeed, there's another point, if people did
come down and there's souper yachts and so on and
so forth. So you generate the GST, you bring some money,
you focus on New Zealand, and then we lose. We
still lose because we could still lose over there. Right,
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there's still a very good change, but they still lose
and we get nothing all there either.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Oh but there's that, there's that absolutely didn't come at
the time for the event like it was last the
last America's Cup, but also Kiwis and the time if
we lose, if it's on the outside, we've always we're
always as a country got up and invested into it
to go and try and win it again, but knowing
now that we'll never see it again regardless, No no
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one in New Zealand's going to fund as this is
now a circuit that's going to be overseas because we'll
never see it.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Well, you're right, and why would they because it's not
coming back. So it's like we're not going to give
you an we're not going to actually give you any
more interest because we're not interested because it's not ours anymore.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
It disappeared exactly and for that, so many people won't
be watching it because we know we'll never see it
again anyway.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Regardle, Sorry did either I got the wrong end of
your handle before when I was talking. I think I'm
going to miss some of your final detail. I know
where you're coming from now and I'm with you on
that one.
Speaker 8 (26:31):
Mate.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Thanks very much for your call.
Speaker 8 (26:32):
Hi, Daniel, how are you goody?
Speaker 11 (26:34):
Brother? How are you, mate, You're not so bad?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Where are you on this one?
Speaker 8 (26:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (26:39):
Look mate, I'm a gambling man and sports speededing and
so forth, and I'm putting my money just on share
principle against Team New Zealand because.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
You're a gambler. You're a self confessed gambler. You don't
have principles.
Speaker 11 (26:55):
Come on, Dan, you brother, you know it's one of
the one of the rare times that you know, I
want to see New Zealand lose. And the reason I
say that, and just bear with me, and I think
Dean covered it a little bit as well. I'd rather
lose at home, knowing that the benefits, the economic benefits
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to all the businesses that would have taken advantage of
having the America's Cup hosted here would have been such
a great economical boost to the country and particularly Auckland.
And for Grant Dulton to justify it as as a
a costing perspective, I just don't buy that, bro, I
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really do not buy that, because at the end of
the day, you know, we hosted the World Cup in
rugby and we came very close to losing that. But
this is quite quite a different dynamic, you know, because
everybody was asked the history of the America's Cup in
New Zealand was asked to contribute to help raise funds
for it. That was one of the very few times
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in New Zealand sporting history where everyone of the public
were asked to contribute. And mate, we took such a
huge pride in ourselves for winning and defending it, and
so here we've got a situation where we won it
right and we we should retain the right to host
it when or lose. I don't care whether we could
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only raise a court of what they could raise in Barcelona.
I don't really care. It's the honor of hosting it
and the ability of someone else to come and try
and take it off of our hands if they're good enough.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Well, that's the nature. That's the basic tenant, isn't it.
Of the America's Company. Someone's mentioned in and they said, look,
you know it's been done before. It's being defended, not
with the country who'd won it, but not in our case,
not for us. This is Valencia, wasn't it where it's
been held there because they've obviously paid a lot of
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money to host it. But that's not us. We didn't
do that this time around and Bermuda as well, but
this time around it's gone. And to hear Grant Dalton saying, oh, look,
it's amazing here in Saudi Arabia. It's lovely, everyone's fantastic
and this would be a great place to host the
next America's Cup. There was a dagger, it really was.
It was a dagger. It says to me, it's never
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coming back.
Speaker 14 (29:19):
Getting Richard, go, Darcy, how you going.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I'm well, what about yourself?
Speaker 14 (29:26):
Yeah, not bad, it's just driving home from work. And yeah,
your last couple of calls definitely tend to agree with him.
It should have been in New Zealand. At the time.
You don't know whether you're going to win or loser.
Have you lost that home, big deal, but at least
that you come with benefiting here. And then there's one
of the other callers said, then we peg ourselves up
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and if we have a crack to try and get
it back, happy days. But yeah, it should have It
should have been a New Zealand because when you're organizing it,
you don't know if you're going to win or lose,
and you're better to lose it at home than lose
it overseas, because then it really is what it's.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Losing, the good will of the populace. And this is
something that was so incredible when when Sir Peter Blake
in the day got this campaign going on, let's win this,
everybody climbed on board. People who didn't say bought red Sox,
they couldn't care. That surge of nasal and was immense.
And I think that it has been eroded, something rotten
this time around. That's why I'm doing this show to
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find out how many people to go, you know what.
I've had enough, shoulders up, I'm gone.
Speaker 14 (30:27):
And it sounds absolutely the nationalisms just disappears on it
and be lost. People would still be having a good
time going. We had a crack at it and lots
of people came and spent money.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Yet we had a good time right.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Now, Yeah, I think so as well. And I get
what you're saying around. Sorry the next phone call because
I spent too much time talking Treva high. See you good, Trevor.
What have you got for us?
Speaker 6 (30:54):
Good?
Speaker 9 (30:54):
No, just my thoughts my memory of the Murray's Cup.
I remember I just lost Fathon Grund almost straight away
when he took over the running of it now. So
long ago. I think he was approach to government for
money because he had assigned team members to the team.
And I think it was when he took on Dean
Barker and he says, you know, he was on a
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sports show this month. I don't know who's hosting it then,
but he just says no, no. Because the last the
last people that run it, there was a bit of
ferrari about money and where it went and models spent
on and I remember Grant come on and says, look,
I'm going to be different. I'm going to be open
and transparent about the money. I go on the radio
and I asked Grant, I says, at that five million
dollars the government gave you, how much money did you
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get granted? And he wouldn't answer it.
Speaker 8 (31:43):
Was.
Speaker 9 (31:43):
That was about five minutes after saying he's going to
be different, He's going to be open, transparent. So that's
sort of a lost a bit of faith in him.
And then there was a couple of events and I
said San Francisco, I think it was, and there was
big questions about where the money had gone, and they
couldn't give all the facts and figures, and there was
talk about it was spent on family members going over
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there watching the racers and living over there in hotels,
and that it.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Can be proved. Sure, I mean, they do what they
want with the money they've got. But when it comes
to money that comes directly from our government and how
that has looked at, and if it goes into a
big slash fund, how can you determine which it went
where and how? And if it's been given to the
America's Couple team of Zealand to spend that they do
what they will with it. And when you start getting
into those accusation modes, that can be very dangerous. It
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can be quite litigious because they weren't acquisations.
Speaker 9 (32:36):
They weren't accusation that they were questions.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Yeah, people start climbing into that can get a bit sticky.
But I think the essence of it all here Tremor
is that well, from what I can gather through the
text and the calls, that people don't feel as connected
as they used to be.
Speaker 9 (32:53):
Of course, not.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Are you going to get up and watch it?
Speaker 9 (32:58):
Probably not? Look you know, And I think grant, I
think grants are very I don't know the right weather,
it's going very crafty business man, and I would say
you need a couple of crowbars to get it off.
Grant Dalton, whilst he like will never be can somebody
else from New Zealand be represented of it, represented of
it and in charge of it? Are making all the money?
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I would say that Grant would have had it set
up so you know he's not in charge of it.
It's not New Zealand's anymore. That's what I think. Well,
that's the suppression I've got home with his money that
he's made over the years out of it.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Well, Treuvid, I think other people have that impression as well.
Do you want anything with Grant Dalton? He's an impressive fundraiser.
You got to give him that very hard nos knows
what he wants, goes out there and gets it. I
mean he's worked, he's gone real hard on this, but
he has eroded the trust and the passion that New
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Zealanders have for the America's Cup over the time. People
have just finally gone, I can't do this anymore, I
believe anyway, But lots of text and suggesting maybe that's
not the case. I'm a mad yachting family up and
coming Olympic campaigner. We and so many others, though, are gutted.
Dalton's only interested in the cash. We as a family
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are no longer supporting it. New Zid Olympians to spite
millions of to spite millions as underdogs have overcome all
sorts of odds. Having the cat here would bring a
heart back to Auckland. We want it back. Let's hope
the next one is in England and then we can
put a proper New Zealand Challenge app. It's actually getting
more and more negative the longer this goes on. Let's
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walk away, Let's swim away. I've got a rugby player
around the corner. His name is Joel Stransky's handy. It's
a week and a half to go yet, and I
can wait because I will wait, because I cannot hasten time.
Be patient. All Blacks up against the spring Box. It's
not so far away now, but we'd been of a preview.
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Joel Stransky up next, Pommy track, mouth watering. But we
have to wait. We have to wait for a week
and a half before the All Blacks and the spring
Box go at it again and what will be a
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replay of last year's World Cup man who knows more
than a few things about World Cup fix just between
the All Blacks and the spring boxes. Joel Stransky, He
joins us now, Joel, welcome to the program. It's taken
a while, but it looks like in a week and
a half we get what we want.
Speaker 8 (35:36):
How are you, Jasy, I'm good, Thank you, my friend,
I'm very good, thank you, and hope you are well
and also looking forward to this game, isn't it? It's
one of those little unknown ones where we're not really
sure what to expect right now.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
I think after the first up game against Argentina, everybody
back here was starting to freak out a wee bird.
But the rights were wronged last week in But then
look across to what South Africa did, whatever team they
put out to Australia, there's a reasonable amount to fear it.
That doesn't look like you've gone backwards at all since
the World Cup. The team looks stronger.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Is that fair?
Speaker 8 (36:08):
I think it is fair. And what I love about
the way Russ He's gone about things is he's starting
to introduce the young players and he's thrown them to
the wolves once or twice in the easier test matches. Again,
and I say the Wolves with all respect, but he's
chucked them all in against Portugal, he's chucked some of
them in against Australia on the weekend. He's played them
as combinations together and he's played them with combinations with
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some of the oldest stalwarts. You can help them along.
And I think it's been great. I think to see
the youngsters coming through, to see them putting their hands up,
to see them fighting in tough conditions on the weekend,
you know, it really good. There's no doubt we as
South Africa have a plethora of rugby talent and there's
no doubt that Russi has a wonderful ethos, a wonderful team,
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a wonderful way of going about things as a coach
and marrying those two together, bringing that those youngsters into
that environment. It just seems to be quite smooth at
the moment.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Is there any area where possibly the Springboks are lacking
maybe in numbers or execution? Can you spy anything?
Speaker 8 (37:06):
Oh? Absolutely, absolutely so. I think we we still struggle
to create scoring opportunities. We have individual brilliance, we have
you know, we have the muchas Olam Pimpy on a
turnaround ball, kick a wonderful grubber and Fussy goes in
at the corner. We can more. I think we haven't
quite mastered, you know, the sort of second third wave
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of attack that we see in the Irish doing with
such sophistication. We seeing England starting to do it a
little bit better. We see the All Blacks do it
at times, and that, I guess is why Russis brought
in Tony Brown. And we saw that influence in the
first Test against Ireland. We saw a real, you know,
move towards it. Polot may have kick Pully, but I
thought the way he came around the corner and he
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sent players up the next channel and into the outside
lanes and used the weather of the field. Thought it
was sensational. Then the second Test we didn't do it
at all. First Test against Australia a little bit of
it us back with Sasha Fumberzulu, and then on the
weekend obviously the conditions were just horrendous, they were atrocious.
But I can't help feeling that when we get back
to Park and then down to d Charles Stadium in
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Cape Town, I'm hopeful, I'm really hopeful that we will
see that that that extra weapon added to our armory.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Well, that Joel strengths is your strength. In fact, you
managed to pull out of the bag like you did
last week with a slightly lesser team. He don't say
b team. It was a different team and in those
conditions and now you're back to where it's hard and
fast and dry.
Speaker 8 (38:27):
They'll revel on that.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Well they even know what's hurt them.
Speaker 8 (38:29):
Well, they will revel in it. Yes, And I think,
you know, for us, as much as the All Blacks
surprisingly lost to Argentina two weeks ago and they were
much much better on the weekend, they were really good
on the weekend. For us, the All Blacks will always
be the arch enemy, the old foe, you know, the
traditional team that we judge ourselves against. It's great to
win World Cups, but we lag behind I think in
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the in the stakes against the All Blacks. And for
Springbok player, for a young man growing up in this country,
you dream you aspire to play for South Africa against
the All Blacks. So these two tests will be enormous
and they'll want to, you know, go out there and
deliver top notch performances. They know against Ireland, they weren't
particularly good. They were decent in the first test scrape
Time got beat in the second by two drop goals.
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But they want to be better. They Rusty wants warriors.
He wants them to go out there and play for
their country, play for pride. Think I watched his interview
this morning, thank the nation by putting in all the
effort in, you know, And I think I think that
sort of sums them up. They are so difficult to
beat defensively, strong, big and powerful. They rush, they put
you under pressure, and when they do score tries, they
get a sniff. They do score those tries, you know.
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So to your point that they're a formidable side and
they'll be unbelievably difficult to beat, particularly on home soil.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Interesting the All Blacks, even though they've lost a couple
of the old stages, and yes it was only Argentina.
I don't want to understay them and what they're but
I think they probably played the final of the week before.
But the pack over the weekend of the All Blacks
look fantastic. It looks like there's actually a bunch of
men there who might be able to fight with the
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South Africans on on even standing. It's got a great
front row, a couple of young locks are looking amazing.
We've got some brutal loose forward's Cane is on his
way back. You'd expect that Barrett will be back too
when it happens. And Ardie Savia so man for man,
it's not a pat contest.
Speaker 8 (40:15):
There, No, it's not. It's not at all. It's a
great contest. And you know the other thing we need
to also take into a counties that is that raises
it'll take a little while for the team to settle
under him, to play the way he wants them to play,
to build his ethos and his character and his personality
in that team. And on the weekend there were signs
(40:35):
of that. You know, he's got such a wonderful record.
It has to Rolf at some point. It has to
come to the ford. On the weekend it showed, as
you said, the pack stood up, they were they were physical.
But but and again I said, with a little caveat
against an Argentina and team that weren't nearly as good
and as physical as they were as they were the
week before. When you come to Ellis Park to play
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the Springboks, you have to stand up big time. You
have to put your body and heart and soul on
the line and you have to take an absolute beating
and hand out a beating and hope you come out
on top. And so it will be a bit of
a different contest.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Instart of what could be a fantastic competitive era, not
between the teams but the coaches. The Racy v Razor era.
It's got a lot about it, hasn't it. The two
distinct characters and the coaching ability that they have. I
think this is going to give us a lot to
laugh to enjoy right the way through. These guys are
a couple of huge characters.
Speaker 8 (41:28):
So it's interesting you say that. So yeah, so if
you look like where my head is around world rugby
at the moment. So the All Blacks are in that
transition stage, a lot of great players one or two
star wars gone, but new coach evolving into raisers. Whereth played,
Russi's in the evolution stage. He's got probably ten or
eleven players that are in their early to mid fifties
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that he's probably going to have to phase out over
the next three years before the next World Cup. Very
much is a stage of evolution. Australia, Joe Schmidt taking over.
Now you know, they trying to find their feet and
in a new environment with a new approach and trying
to you know, find players to play at that level
both week, starting to you know, get results for England.
World rugby is at a very interesting juncture, particularly in
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the Southern hemisphere. And you know, I think a lot
will happened, a lot that all the coaches in the
last few days have said in rugby, a week is
a long time, you know, before the next World Cup.
There is a huge amount that's going to happen. And
these rivalries, these relationships, these are the ones we really
look forward to and we love about the game of
that that is just so special to all of us.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Dy and thank you very much Joel Stransky for joining us.
And I will wait because I have to wait because
I can't shape shifts. Time not long, Togo though, salibating
over it a week and a half. Thanks for your call,
Thanks for your text. I couldn't get through the text.
There are so many and to be fair, eighty percent
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of them are quite angry. Lucky we've got Blair and
Pete because we love them. Without them, Brant will be
in a world of hurt. This is News Talks MB.
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