August 29, 2024 • 8 mins
Blackcaps Bowling Coach Jacob Oram joined D'Arcy Waldegrave to discuss taking on the new role within the New Zealand set up.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from News talks Be.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We're joined on sports Talk now by Jacob Oram, who's
just picked himself up yet another coaching job. This time
he's following the footsteps of Shane Jurgensen. He's the new
black Caps at bowling at coach. Jacob, here we go again.
How many different coaching roles have you had within New
Zealand cricket, be provincial or of course with national setups.
White Ferns are the black Caps? You're right amongst this
(00:34):
on you mate?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I am yees. It's part of the DNA S.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
I sort of feel like all the other opportunities and
experiences have led to this, and you know, I'm thankful
and grateful for those other chances with other teams at
at various levels, but you know, this is you know,
the top of the tree for me in terms of,
you know, in the men's.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Space working with the black Caps.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
So I'm really happy to be back in a full
time role, obviously from being a player and having some
short term opportunities previously.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
But you can't wait to get stuck in, so.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
It's carry instead looking over his shoulder now because you
know there is a way up. It's not the absolute
top job.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Jake, Well, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Look, I only just started, at least not throw two
stones at a head coach for now, mate. I'm just
obviously invested in the bowling side of things and helping
those guys, and I'm saying improving them. They're already very,
very good bowlers themselves, but you know, doing what I
can to add value and help their team win.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Some of your chat around what you bring to the
side kind of important, isn't it That international experience, because
there are plenty of coaches out there. I have had
a wee bit, but not up at that top level.
Is that one of the I suppose the factors that
got you this role, that you've been there, done that.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I think it probably plays apart.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
But at the same time, I'm not going to say
to be a good coach you must have played international cricket.
I don't think that's true either, but I think it helps.
It can only help to understand, appreciate, and have a
little bit of empathy for what players are in this case.
In my case, bowl is going through I mean, I
(02:15):
bold and power plays and a death and with older
balls and new balls, and against some of the best
lineups in the world in their own conditions, you know,
whether it be underfoot the pet or overhead with you know,
the temperatures and humidity. So I sort of feel like
I've I've done a lot, and so having discussions with
players will come from a place of my own experience
(02:37):
as well. Again, it doesn't mean it's the silver bullet
of coaching, but I think it's got to help. So,
you know, if that played a part in me being
successful in this proces, is great. But I know I
can bring other things to the table, not just that
that experience of my own playing days.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, I'm presuming that it's moved on somewhat and it's
always evolving and developing from your days playing. But you've
gone through, as I said, a number of coaching roles.
Is there anything particular that you've not just about the
way bowling and cricket at any level works, the way
it has changed over the time, Jake.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Oh, look, I think you can say cricket has changed. False. Stop.
It's not just bowling. You know, batting is just through
the roof.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Scores so high players at the ball, so far, they
have a wider range of shots and fielding. I mean,
every player now is a quite quite athlete in terms
of how they move and dive and throw. So the
whole game has changed, and it's just up to me
now as bowling coach to make sure that our bowlers
are trying to stay a step ahead. That's not easy,
but just making sure we're prepared for all occasions, all situations,
(03:45):
you know, but you've got to work with those individual strengths.
I mean, we've just had a camp here in Mount Longanui,
and you know, I'm getting to know a couple of
the guys on a personal level first, you know, what
makes them, where they're from, what their families are like,
you know, so I get to understand them and we
create that connection and that relationship before we start, you know,
really diving deep into the dos and dontes of technique
(04:05):
or tactics, because I think that's the most important thing,
is creating that personal connection. Once they trust me and
they were on the same page, then I think we
can grow from there.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Jacob Boren joins this new bowling coach of the Black
Cap starts in November. You touched on that slightly then,
But the mechanics behind Bowling, I expect by the time
someone gets the Black Caps they pretty much know what
they're trying to do. There was a day maybe thirty
years ago where they tried to change everyone's action. I
don't think that worked very well. But the balance between
(04:38):
the mental side of the game and the physical side
of the game percentile, what's most important? Do you think, Jay?
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Well, I think the cliche is it's nine percent mental,
but you've got to make sure that that other ten
percent physical is actually pretty bloody good. Taurus, you don't
really have a hope. You could be the most mentally
strong player ever. But if you're technique, you know, asn't sustainable,
or you have holes everywhere, or in Bowler's case, if
it's unsafe, then it doesn't really matter about that other
(05:06):
nine pis. So I think it's a combination. And again
it comes back to getting to know these players well.
I mean someone like will I Rourke. You know, I've
only really watched on TV and he's only been around
with the New Zealand team for what twelve months?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Eighty months?
Speaker 4 (05:20):
So someone like him as a key player going forward,
So someone I've really got to get to know, look
at it up close, have some video, you know, but
also not if it's not broken, you know, don't look
for something to fix. Just work with what's their work
with what he's got all of them I'm picking on well,
but you know, just harness those strengths and have a
(05:41):
few work ons and away we go.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Jane Jerginson been around for a long long time. He's
finally walking away. What is he left for you? And
have had much communication with him about picking up where
he left off is an important part of continuity in
the role.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Well, I knew Durgo.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
I mean I actually was a player under Durgo as well,
so when he started with the black Caps, I reckon
maybe a couple of years under him. I mean, Durgo
is a great, great dude first and foremost, and he
was there for a long time. So it takes a
lot of ip of the team and the bowlers and
international cricket with him. He's done many many other things
as well, so it does leave big shoes and things.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Jugo has been gone since, you know, even before last summer.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
That's how I got a couple of short term opportunities,
much the same as Andre Adams Colin Mills and a
couple of other guys domestically, so they sort of chopped
the season up last summer. I was fortunate enough to
get a couple of these opportunities, and thankfully from that,
I know, maybe showed enough that I had something to
work with, went through this process, you know, interviews and whatnot,
(06:44):
and come out the other side successful.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
But Durgo leaves a big hole.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
But I'm also very different to Durgo as a person,
but also you know, in my style.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
So I've just got to make.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Sure that I stay true to that and I don't
try and be Dugo or Shane Bond or whoever else
has gone before, and just I do what I do.
And we say that about players, you know you've been selected,
just do what you do.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
That's what got you here. I'm sort of thinking that's
what I've got to do as the coach as well.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
What's your first chop at it? When's the first series
that you actually officially got the full time role.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Well, just the way things are with you know, the
guys go overseas next next week to play Afghanistan and India.
So just with the role only obviously recently becoming formal
and official. I don't start for a few weeks yet,
and I've got a phase out of my previous employment.
I will start in October and looking to go overseas
(07:39):
with the guys in November.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Up until then, they've got to.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Be obviously well catered for and there'll be other, many,
many other coaches around them to work with.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
But like this Ken we've just had.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Now just again get to know them, work with them,
getting the nets, do some fielding and start to feel
like I you're part of the team.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
New bowling coach for the Black Apps, Jacob Warrem, thanks
so much for joining us. You won't be able to
get away from me, will you. I've housed you right
the way through your paying career, through your your Ferns,
through the Central District's team, and now you start with
the black Caps. Thanks for sticking around mate. We're looking
forward to pastering here.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Yeah, I look forward to chatting's here as well, Darcy
good stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
For more from Sports Talk, listen live to News Talks
it'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from News talks Be.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We're joined on sports Talk now by Jacob Oram, who's
just picked himself up yet another coaching job. This time
he's following the footsteps of Shane Jurgensen. He's the new
black Caps at bowling at coach. Jacob, here we go again.
How many different coaching roles have you had within New
Zealand cricket, be provincial or of course with national setups.
White Ferns are the black Caps? You're right amongst this
(00:34):
on you mate?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I am yees. It's part of the DNA S.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
I sort of feel like all the other opportunities and
experiences have led to this, and you know, I'm thankful
and grateful for those other chances with other teams at
at various levels, but you know, this is you know,
the top of the tree for me in terms of,
you know, in the men's.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Space working with the black Caps.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
So I'm really happy to be back in a full
time role, obviously from being a player and having some
short term opportunities previously.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
But you can't wait to get stuck in, so.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
It's carry instead looking over his shoulder now because you
know there is a way up. It's not the absolute
top job.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Jake, Well, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Look, I only just started, at least not throw two
stones at a head coach for now, mate. I'm just
obviously invested in the bowling side of things and helping
those guys, and I'm saying improving them. They're already very,
very good bowlers themselves, but you know, doing what I
can to add value and help their team win.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Some of your chat around what you bring to the
side kind of important, isn't it That international experience, because
there are plenty of coaches out there. I have had
a wee bit, but not up at that top level.
Is that one of the I suppose the factors that
got you this role, that you've been there, done that.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I think it probably plays apart.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
But at the same time, I'm not going to say
to be a good coach you must have played international cricket.
I don't think that's true either, but I think it helps.
It can only help to understand, appreciate, and have a
little bit of empathy for what players are in this case.
In my case, bowl is going through I mean, I
(02:15):
bold and power plays and a death and with older
balls and new balls, and against some of the best
lineups in the world in their own conditions, you know,
whether it be underfoot the pet or overhead with you know,
the temperatures and humidity. So I sort of feel like
I've I've done a lot, and so having discussions with
players will come from a place of my own experience
(02:37):
as well. Again, it doesn't mean it's the silver bullet
of coaching, but I think it's got to help. So,
you know, if that played a part in me being
successful in this proces, is great. But I know I
can bring other things to the table, not just that
that experience of my own playing days.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, I'm presuming that it's moved on somewhat and it's
always evolving and developing from your days playing. But you've
gone through, as I said, a number of coaching roles.
Is there anything particular that you've not just about the
way bowling and cricket at any level works, the way
it has changed over the time, Jake.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Oh, look, I think you can say cricket has changed. False. Stop.
It's not just bowling. You know, batting is just through
the roof.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Scores so high players at the ball, so far, they
have a wider range of shots and fielding. I mean,
every player now is a quite quite athlete in terms
of how they move and dive and throw. So the
whole game has changed, and it's just up to me
now as bowling coach to make sure that our bowlers
are trying to stay a step ahead. That's not easy,
but just making sure we're prepared for all occasions, all situations,
(03:45):
you know, but you've got to work with those individual strengths.
I mean, we've just had a camp here in Mount Longanui,
and you know, I'm getting to know a couple of
the guys on a personal level first, you know, what
makes them, where they're from, what their families are like,
you know, so I get to understand them and we
create that connection and that relationship before we start, you know,
really diving deep into the dos and dontes of technique
(04:05):
or tactics, because I think that's the most important thing,
is creating that personal connection. Once they trust me and
they were on the same page, then I think we
can grow from there.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Jacob Boren joins this new bowling coach of the Black
Cap starts in November. You touched on that slightly then,
But the mechanics behind Bowling, I expect by the time
someone gets the Black Caps they pretty much know what
they're trying to do. There was a day maybe thirty
years ago where they tried to change everyone's action. I
don't think that worked very well. But the balance between
(04:38):
the mental side of the game and the physical side
of the game percentile, what's most important? Do you think, Jay?
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Well, I think the cliche is it's nine percent mental,
but you've got to make sure that that other ten
percent physical is actually pretty bloody good. Taurus, you don't
really have a hope. You could be the most mentally
strong player ever. But if you're technique, you know, asn't sustainable,
or you have holes everywhere, or in Bowler's case, if
it's unsafe, then it doesn't really matter about that other
(05:06):
nine pis. So I think it's a combination. And again
it comes back to getting to know these players well.
I mean someone like will I Rourke. You know, I've
only really watched on TV and he's only been around
with the New Zealand team for what twelve months?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Eighty months?
Speaker 4 (05:20):
So someone like him as a key player going forward,
So someone I've really got to get to know, look
at it up close, have some video, you know, but
also not if it's not broken, you know, don't look
for something to fix. Just work with what's their work
with what he's got all of them I'm picking on well,
but you know, just harness those strengths and have a
(05:41):
few work ons and away we go.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Jane Jerginson been around for a long long time. He's
finally walking away. What is he left for you? And
have had much communication with him about picking up where
he left off is an important part of continuity in
the role.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Well, I knew Durgo.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
I mean I actually was a player under Durgo as well,
so when he started with the black Caps, I reckon
maybe a couple of years under him. I mean, Durgo
is a great, great dude first and foremost, and he
was there for a long time. So it takes a
lot of ip of the team and the bowlers and
international cricket with him. He's done many many other things
as well, so it does leave big shoes and things.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Jugo has been gone since, you know, even before last summer.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
That's how I got a couple of short term opportunities,
much the same as Andre Adams Colin Mills and a
couple of other guys domestically, so they sort of chopped
the season up last summer. I was fortunate enough to
get a couple of these opportunities, and thankfully from that,
I know, maybe showed enough that I had something to
work with, went through this process, you know, interviews and whatnot,
(06:44):
and come out the other side successful.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
But Durgo leaves a big hole.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
But I'm also very different to Durgo as a person,
but also you know, in my style.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
So I've just got to make.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Sure that I stay true to that and I don't
try and be Dugo or Shane Bond or whoever else
has gone before, and just I do what I do.
And we say that about players, you know you've been selected,
just do what you do.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
That's what got you here. I'm sort of thinking that's
what I've got to do as the coach as well.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
What's your first chop at it? When's the first series
that you actually officially got the full time role.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Well, just the way things are with you know, the
guys go overseas next next week to play Afghanistan and India.
So just with the role only obviously recently becoming formal
and official. I don't start for a few weeks yet,
and I've got a phase out of my previous employment.
I will start in October and looking to go overseas
(07:39):
with the guys in November.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Up until then, they've got to.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Be obviously well catered for and there'll be other, many,
many other coaches around them to work with.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
But like this Ken we've just had.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Now just again get to know them, work with them,
getting the nets, do some fielding and start to feel
like I you're part of the team.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
New bowling coach for the Black Apps, Jacob Warrem, thanks
so much for joining us. You won't be able to
get away from me, will you. I've housed you right
the way through your paying career, through your your Ferns,
through the Central District's team, and now you start with
the black Caps. Thanks for sticking around mate. We're looking
forward to pastering here.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Yeah, I look forward to chatting's here as well, Darcy
good stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
For more from Sports Talk, listen live to News Talks
it'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
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