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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Waldegrave
from News Talk ZEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Hey, hey, welcome to sports Thot. Great to have you
on board. It's Thursday night, right twenty ninth of August
twenty twenty four. I'm Darcy Wattergrave with you through until
eight tonight. It is just on seven minutes after seven.
Coming up in the program this evening, Let's talk rugby
and why wouldn't we with one of the most keenly
(00:55):
anticipated test matches there is. I'm talking All Blacks spring
Box at Alice Parkering. This is the best, isn't it?
Isn't this the height of rugby exchanges? Excuse the pun
because we know Alice parks at altitude. I'm really sorry.
I'll go to my rim and think about what I've
just done. We're going to start off talking with Elliott Smith,
News Talk to B Rugby editor who's over there now,
(01:17):
just with a quick look at the all Black team
that was named a couple of hours ago. Then we're
joined by former South African head coach twenty twelve to
twenty fifteen, heineker Meyer will talk about that all black
side to play South Africa. We'll talk about even Izabeth
and if he's there or not and why he isn't.
We'll also talk about his favorite players, the weak points,
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the strong points. The list goes on, and then we'll
get you on the line on our eight one hundred
eighty ten eighty we can text nineteen nine two that
is at zed B, zed B. How big a chance
do the All Blacks have of actually winning at Alice Park?
Was I tell you what, There's going to be some
upset South Africans up there after they got rolled last time.
When in Foster's career it was saved, we all thought
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it was gurglar bound, it was through the ub. But
now so I'm saying there's going to be some upset
South off. This game is going to be epic. I'd
like your thoughts on the chances of winning and just
reaction to the naming of the twenty three that are
going to take on the reigning world champions. Just to
make a point of it before that, though this Sport
(02:22):
Today and a Sport Today, Scott Robinson has named former
All Black skipper Sam Cain in the seven jersey for
this weekend South African Scrap.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Why Sam has been incredible off the field for us.
Now it's an opportunity for him to be that test
uttering we need in the high belt, all that experience
and in that calmness, but also really good tough shoulders.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yep, that makes sense. What is it about Scott Robinson
and people's shoulders? It's just fine, stop of it. Willie
Jacob orm form a black Cap all round around cricket
coach across genders and formats, is picking up where Shane
Jergenson left off. Big Jay is the new black Caps
bowling coach as of November. So what do you bring.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
One of the biggest things as that experience, the empathy
that I've had from being a player myself. And that
doesn't automatically mean a player equals a good coach, but
I think it helps and to understand the situations at
all bowlers will be going through.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, we all know that as key as we love
it when someone actually mentions us. Coca Goff played that
game today at the US Open, referencing the time she
played her next opponent and beat her to win the
ASB Classic. Elenadelena is her name. Tell us about us,
Go on, go go make our day.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
She can do pretty much everything you know when I
play her in Auckland, we had a lot of physical points.
The challenge will be just finding the balance between being
aggressive and not letting her dicteat But obviously, you know,
not making too many errors.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
That's sport today.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
After the Republic we go. Now we're joined by Elliott
smith Man of the MIC for the All Black fixtures
over this Rugby Championship. Elliott, welcome to the program. Team
is out slightly later released. I suppose first for you
any major surprises or reasons go.
Speaker 7 (04:07):
Well, firstly when you see that team and you go
Sam Kain's an open side flanker and starting you go,
what's the deal there? But Scott Robinson explaining that Dolden
Papa Lee has a minor thumb injury. But I also
like the edge that I think Sam kin brings the
experience up for this game. But certainly seeing his name
jump out of the team sheet was a bit of
a surprise when that was released to us.
Speaker 8 (04:29):
And then otherwise fairly standard.
Speaker 7 (04:31):
You look at the changes and that Sam Kane Won
is injury enforced, the return of Scott Barrett is an
injury returnee. Otherwise it's essentially the same team that rolled
out against Argentina at Eden Park as seven of Penny
Feen now coming off the bench his first Test since
the second match against England. So a couple of little
tweaked but very much injury related. Otherwise, the All Black
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sticking with the combination that got them the win at
Eton Park.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Scott Robinson's having a love affair with Sam Kaine's shoulder,
isn't he. He won't shut up about.
Speaker 8 (05:00):
It, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 7 (05:01):
It's quite remarkable. Look, I think in the latter stages
of Sam Kain's career and you know, Scott Robertson learning
I guess a bit more about what it means to
coach at Test level. I think he's found that these
kind of players are important. And it's not saying that
Dolden Papa Lee hasn't played a good role for the
All Blacks so far this year, but I think there's
an edge to Sam Kaine that the All Blacks want
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out there at Alice Park on the weekend. Of course,
the last time Sam Kaine started a Test was in
that World Cup final last year when he was captain
and was sent off in that game, So I'm sure
that's in the back of everyone's mind, including Scott Robertson
and Sam Kaines. But you look at the edge that
Sam kain can bring to a Test match, even in
the twilight of his career. That's what you need at
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Alice Park on the weekend against a really physical and
tough spring Box team, and there.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Was a lot of consultation between media around who is
going to pick up the left wing jersey. Caleb Clark
has the nod. He has a big unit, a big body,
drives hard, but he's basically defending against someone who's going
This is an interesting combo, isn't it.
Speaker 8 (06:05):
It is up again Chooslan Colby.
Speaker 7 (06:07):
Of course that's an incredible matchup and look out of
Clark's don't really well to get his spot back into
the team. And you know the hat trick at Eden
Park in the Super Rugby Final, but I thought it
was also tidy without too many opportunities coming his way,
necessarily in that Test against Argentina at eden Park. But
I think what you get out of him is the power.
He's very good under the high ball as well, which
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I'm sure is an area he'll be targeted. And then
just running on high that hard deck is as crucial
for Cadile Clark as well. So he's been out Mark
tala and tali is going to have to add some
impact later on in the game, a role that he's
not necessarily familiar with did at Eden Park, but looks
like that's his lot for the current you know, selections anyway,
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and so he's going to have to come and cut
shapes in the last twenty or so minutes and try
and get through some tire defenders. And to be honest,
you look at the way that Mark Taliy has. He's
so slippery, He's very very hard to defend. At the
best of times when you're coming up against tiring defenses.
That step, that the ability to break through the tackle
might just be what the All Blacks need in the
closing stages of the Test match.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
And you can listen to that to the mouth in
the mind of Elliot Smith, our man on spot over
in that South African news talk zeb has the call
on the weak Smalls of Sunday Morning, New Zealand. Elliott,
thanks for your time, May you go well.
Speaker 8 (07:20):
Being a pleasure to us.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Thirteen minutes after seven, Let's stay in the Republic and
were joined now by a former South African head coach
that was back between twenty twelve and twenty fifteen. His
name is Heinek and Meyer. He joins us now. Heneker,
Welcome to the show spring Box. The All Blacks at
Alice Park.
Speaker 8 (07:39):
That's the pinnacle, right, Yeah, that's unbelievable.
Speaker 9 (07:43):
You know, they've just I just had an interview now
about the last time he beat All Blacks in the
Adada Spark in twenty and fourteen and just a mending
that game and we ended the wire and just to
look collecting that game. It was an unbelievable experience in
that other spark. You know, sixty thousand people. It's a pannicle.
I think it's a pinnicle for South African players as well.
(08:05):
And always the All Blacks always left themselves and actually
spokes got a really good record for the All Blacks.
Speaker 10 (08:10):
You know.
Speaker 9 (08:11):
It said that I felt people think, you know, it's
too so Africa more, but I think it's a New
Zealand as well because the quick field, the ball travels
a lot, so yeah, unbelievable field, unbelievable atmosphere and you
don't get bigger than that. You know, there's so much
respect between the two teams and two of the best
teams in the world.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
They South Americans are playing some sublime rugby. It's almost
like they've gotten better since that World Cup final, still
retaining a lot of the experience, but bringing a nice
set of youth. Through taking that into mind and looking
at the All Blacks under a new coach, DoD the
All Blacks have much of a chance of actually winning
this game.
Speaker 8 (08:44):
Hod of All Blocks definitely have a chance. Definitely, you
can never write them off.
Speaker 9 (08:48):
Believable back back line and an unbelievable team. Actually want
to go one step back in a sense, I feel
for for Razor because I was more or less in
the same position. You know, I think the All Blacks
were always very, very good. Is that always had continuity.
I remember when I did my first Test match. My
friend Steve Hansen has been the assistant coach for eight years.
I think he had one hundred Test matches as assistant coach,
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and then I had Richmond Calls the captain for almost
a hundred Test matches as well. And when I took over,
you know, I was new, my my coaching staff was new,
and my captain was new. So you know, it's only
five games in. It takes time to sort out your
coaching staff, it takes time to start your team and
the way you want to play, and you learn sometimes
on the go.
Speaker 8 (09:29):
It's much different test match rugby.
Speaker 9 (09:32):
So in a sense I feel for scoutt because I
know being New Zealand or South African public thes no,
there is no time to get you know, to grow,
you have to you have to be at your.
Speaker 8 (09:41):
Best from day one.
Speaker 9 (09:43):
But by saying that, I doesn't think the All PLA's
got a chance and I doesn't think at that spot,
you know, the quality team. They still got a lot
of experience there. I think they've got a brilliant brant backline,
so they definitely have a chance. For me, there's three
things which I think is very important. The first thing
I think is that is a is a tactical kicking game.
I thought they were brilliant against Argentina the last game,
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one of the best performance I've seen that conditions. But
in the previous game they couldn't get out of their half.
So against the rash defense where they were really quite
efficient in the past, is you know, cross kicks to
Will Jordan or the wingers and just just to knock
that you know that fresh defense back, so they've got
a good kicking game to get in the right areas,
you know, and there's you don't front football. They can
run any team to pieces, so I think that's going
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to be important.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Adak Am I joining the program. You touched on assistant
coach and you see it how difficult it is for
robertson starting off. Of course, Leo McDonald's just walked on
the team. How much interference do you think is that
going to be for the side.
Speaker 9 (10:39):
Yeah, there's always interference, But I think again, you know
it's only been four or five TIS matches in you
know it's better to make the call now, I believe,
because what you don't want that I've been in coaching
staff like that is you know, it's all about philosophy.
If you don't agree on philosophy. And I don't comment
too much because I don't know. There isn't ins and outs.
I don't like to comment on other teams. But one
thing I do know. You know, if there's a clash
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of philosophies, sooner or later the team gets divided and
then there's no way you can win. I still feel
the really good team I think especially unbelievable back back line.
And if they can, you know, they can do all
the set piece that was going to have a chance.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Evan Elizabeth is going to be playing. There was a
thought process that he might not have been playing. I
didn't expect for a minute that he wouldn't be I mean,
mind game is enough from a resci arrestmus are just
the way things roll.
Speaker 9 (11:25):
No, I don't think it's mind games. Even was injured
during the week and they've got a policy. If you
don't train on a Monday, you can't You're not going
to play. So at first he was he wasn't he was.
He trained on Monday apparently and was ready to play,
and then at a nigle wasn't at a percent. Then
they thought he's not going to be able to play.
And then you recovered well and trained well. I think
then the nice thing that they do have at the
moment the spring Monk is they got so much tips
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and what like I said, but they're doing right at
the moment is you know, if you look at that bench,
you know, Vincent courch mark and marks one up there
one of the best. You know, because in the world
it's a bit it's an unbelievable bench.
Speaker 8 (11:59):
Quaha makes a huge difference and a lot of experience.
Speaker 9 (12:02):
If you look at an Zealand bench was a great
impact players, but you know, not the same experience and
what I've seen about that Africa and even when I
was involved, we're not always good chasing a game. You know,
we're very good being in front and you know, just
keep to the structure and and you know, close the
game out. But if they have to chase at the end,
(12:22):
it's quite difficult. And I think the lactually they have
now is that they bring those guys on they say experienced.
They have a guy like even not risking him for
sixty seventy minutes, he got Malcolm Marks guys all almost
like fifty test matches on the bench that that's been
a difference for them lately.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Tell us about RESSI arrestmus What have you had to
do with him? He's a very interesting human and interesting coach.
He's definitely well, they threw away the mold when they
created him, didn't they would he like to deal with
Is it just a wee bit crazy in a good way?
Speaker 9 (12:51):
Yeah? He was my technical isah for the first two
years and then he became director Ragbda.
Speaker 8 (12:56):
He's a great coach.
Speaker 9 (12:57):
I think he's very technical, studies the game and I
think the one thing they're doing right at the moment,
you know, bring a guy in like Tony Brown's can
be immense. You know, one stage of effic was very isolated.
Even when Eye coach. We're not allowed to bring guys
from overseas. We're not allowed us all about intellectual property.
I think the one thing Russia has done well and
they had to go, you know, the goaway to do it.
(13:17):
Especially when you're a director of rugby, I think you
learn a lot of monster and a great thing now
is I mean to bring Tony Brown is I think
it's an unbelievable step in the right direction, so that
Africa could always play a good kicking for a dominated
game with brilliant defense. You know, that was our DNA
and they will never move away from that. I think
the fact that they brought in Tony Brown is suddenly
they play with more with It's only been four or
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five test matches, but you can see glimpses of what
they can be, and they can play all around game.
You know, They're always been good set piece and defense.
Now they add that with some great attacking players and
I think that's why they're looking at this young ten
as well.
Speaker 8 (13:52):
Whi's been impressive.
Speaker 9 (13:53):
I think Russia is the innovator and the fact that
he's not, you know, not scared to being in guys
from other countries, it's going to make a big difference.
Keeps on innovating, games on growing, and he's a great coach.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Sam Kain starting for the All Blacks formal bake captain.
They got seen off on the finals first game back
INCOS World Cup last year. Did the spring box rate
what Sam Kaine brings to the game, brings to the pack,
brings to his position.
Speaker 9 (14:17):
Yeah, I rate Sam Kaine very highly as a player
and I think the one thing that they do need
to is to do to slow s that Afghans ball down.
You know that African forwards get go forward and get
quick ball in the front through. They very dangerous, especially now,
like I said of their attacking play going forward, I've
got a lot of respect for the New Zealand loose Fords,
a lot of big ball carriers in there, but I
(14:38):
think Sam Kay is more like a Richard mcgold moore
is out and out open site, which I probably didn't
have previously, so I rate him.
Speaker 10 (14:46):
Eiley.
Speaker 9 (14:47):
It's a pretty went off in that final, you know,
just just the nature of the beast the game at
the moment. And maybe that's the other thing.
Speaker 11 (14:53):
You know.
Speaker 9 (14:55):
I think discipline is there's a lot of choice between
these two sites, and I think now with the you know,
so much interference from from the officials, the discipline can
be very important and displand sometimes go with experience. He
need experienced players, you need kool aid. So to have
him there, he's quat experienced, he's been a captain. You know,
he's got a lot of lot to prove. So I
think that's a great goal to have him involved.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
What about on the wing, Caleb Clark. He's a big body,
he can run, he can trample over people, but he
might get rings run around him by his opposite. That's
an interesting call, isn't it. Minka.
Speaker 9 (15:27):
Yeah, I've always rated him. It depends how you want
to go, you know, Will Jordan. For me, he's probably
up there the best wingers in the world. I really
highly rate him, especially those cross kicks, and I think
they should probably do that in the beginning, just you know,
like I said, just to give the rash defense out.
I always felt in Newisient that one big winger running
it as they very very dangerous. A guy can score
something out of nothing. He just always had that. I
(15:50):
when I used to coach against them, they had a
lot of those guys playing. Certainly, I've probably been in
the A it's more like Will Jordan. But I just
think if you have that big wing of bringing him in,
he's very dangerous.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
And finally just closing, then's up. Heindekm. I thank you
so much for joining us. As are an obvious weakness
in this all black side that can be exploited.
Speaker 9 (16:10):
You know, at that level, the great teams like that.
I don't think there's a weakness. It's just you know,
the margins, like I said, is so small, so at
that level there's there's stay, not weaknesses.
Speaker 8 (16:20):
I just think it's a question of you know, they
just need time this team.
Speaker 9 (16:25):
And I know that because I was on the head
of side, other side of the fence. These guys just
need time with a new coaching staff. They just need
time to know exactly how they want to play. You know,
every single game out there is unbelievable pressure, especially if
the re zident or or the South African coach. I've
been there and every game is a master win, so
you almost take longer just to you know, get your
DNA going. But not a lot of not a lot
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of weakness in that team. And I keep on saying this,
if you don't get front football in the right areas
and they get quick ball, they have a very dangerous team,
like they've turned against Argentina. The one thing they probably
have to they have to to do is that, and.
Speaker 8 (16:59):
I know they will.
Speaker 9 (17:01):
I just felt I watched both stage matches. I love
to see this didn't play. I'm a big friend of
New Zendent rugby, but I could see the intensity difference
in intensity between the first Test against Argentina and the
second Test.
Speaker 8 (17:11):
I mean the intensity the second Test.
Speaker 9 (17:13):
You know, every single collision is you is, you know
as one, every single collision. You know, they were just
dominant and they dive on the ball and they were
just unbelievable physical To be the spring Boks at other spot,
they're going to need that same physicality.
Speaker 8 (17:25):
I know they will lift themselves. They always lift themselves.
Speaker 9 (17:28):
So South Africa, I haven't been to a New Zealand
South Africa Test much for a long time.
Speaker 8 (17:33):
So I'm going to the game. So I'm very very excited.
Speaker 9 (17:35):
I think it's going to be an awesome game and
it's going to you know, it's gonna be a it's
going to be in the small margins, the discipline, the
set piece, and the game breakers. So I'm looking forward
to awesome game.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
Forget the riffs call. You make the call on Sports
Talk on your home of sports. The talk.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Is that Sports Talk kind of Commia their former Springbok coach.
I want to sit next to him at the game.
How good the information? What an engaging character?
Speaker 10 (18:04):
He has?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Lots to say around the two teams, around the result,
around the Dare I say it conflict itself? I'd like
your calls, your thoughts. Eight hundred eighty, ten eighty. Let's
let it rip around spring box of the All Blacks
so much to look at. Have they got a chance
of winning Alice Park? Of course they have. They've done
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it before. They've actually done it quite a lot of
recent times. What about the All Black squad naming? Is
there an area of weakness? Is there an area of strength?
Are you confused? Concerned? Uplifted? Let me know lines are
open for you eight hundred eighty ten eighty. You can
text if you really must nineteen ninet two. That is ZBZB.
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I went a text as well, say who's the referee?
It's a guy called Andrew Bracelet me start a refereeing
well twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen's a bit of a United
Nations lives in Ireland, got Belgian blood in him. I
think played in Wales. Got a bit of an English
connection too. Is he any good? No idea? We'll find
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Speaker 6 (19:18):
You hear it from the biggest names and sports men.
Have your say on sports Talk on your home of
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Speaker 12 (19:27):
It be.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Twenty seven sports talkout on News Talks it B Let
us know any chance of winning it? Alice Park, Yes,
of course they do. Every chance and least someone gets
hooked the first five minutes of the game. I didn't
even joke about that. It may or may not happen.
I don't know a great deal about the referee who's
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got the game. I think that when he calls test
matches South Africa, he's refereed three games that they've won,
one game that they've lost. Who knows what that means.
Let's go to Goose now anyway, how are you?
Speaker 13 (20:10):
Yeah, they're feel good breaks. We've had them before, your
stereotypical UK pedantic type, so it'll be what it'll be.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
He used to play for Belgium. That's where he actually
played as rugby. It was a sevens player too.
Speaker 13 (20:25):
Well, there you go. Yeah I didn't know that. But
you know we have Adam before. The referees are tigging
a poke. Really it could be decided by them or
we could have a good game regardless of him. That's
about the extent of the all referee.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yeah, it doesn't really matter, does it is? What it
is is they say, so what do you make of
this side? They can they roll them or not?
Speaker 6 (20:45):
O B.
Speaker 13 (20:46):
So of course we can roll them.
Speaker 12 (20:48):
Come.
Speaker 13 (20:49):
You wouldn't have said that we were going to get
a win coming back from there, but we're gone back
to the site of the all Black SMUs ever victory.
So that that back from South Africa was the worst
wind we've ever had because it Dave Foster's job and
if it on taking well is that sorry?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Is that why it's the worst victory they've ever had.
Speaker 13 (21:12):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Oh my god, Goose, Let it go.
Speaker 13 (21:16):
It's terrible one. Well, its effectively tossed up the world
and possibly the next one as well, because we've got
Rasor dealing with the worst crop of ABA players and
then cooming coaches had and we've wound up with this
selection which is I'm a hardcore ridden black man that
sees bugger all out of by ridden black eye.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
But the areas though when you look at it, is
there a couple of points ago Dad is politantly wrong
or that could be problematic, or there is a weakness
right across the twenty three.
Speaker 13 (21:54):
Yeah, so we don't have an international quality kind for
a start. So it's going to be a problem no
matter what until we get one. If I was rais Or,
I would have been taken a buck even over there
incoming with but I'm pecking McKenzie is going to get
found out. TJ should have played his last easton Wellington
(22:14):
and he would have been bloody lucky to have got
that one.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
We sorry justis buying back on that because the number
ten for South Africa Fininberg and noi Zulu. He has
only got about ten test matches under his belt too,
so inexperiencing around then that could be key for both sides.
Speaker 13 (22:36):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, there's no doubt about that. But from
our point of view, we're going to suffer as a result.
I mean, McKenzie's an okay super rugby player, but he's
no fest Legal King and Barrett was, but only in
the first year that he got named World Rugby Player
of the Year. He's gone backwards ever since then, so
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we're going to struggle there. He thought Riko Yovanni back in,
who was the world's best winger, and decided that he
wanted to become a crapman and that's all we've got
from him since he's moved in. The hope we get
a decent kicking game out of Jordie and we don't
wind up with the Barratts just dumping everything away to
the Bond squad.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Alright, got just before we let you go, give us
something to smile about. Come on, mate, I know you've
got it, and you will give us one positive, one positive.
He stop that and he does.
Speaker 10 (23:28):
One positive, one positive.
Speaker 13 (23:30):
I believe the passenger is injured, that he wasn't available
for selection.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Well, it's kind of a backheaded compliment around about kind
of way breathe goose breathe, it's going to be a
okay and I mean make some good points and fear
on that. I think McKenzie might be a real problem today, Dan,
how are.
Speaker 11 (23:50):
You, Darcy?
Speaker 14 (23:52):
Here's it going?
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Oh well, it was going really uplifting until Goose decided
to shoot you down. But that's okay. I you know,
I love him because he speaks a truth, even though
it's a bit depressing.
Speaker 11 (24:03):
He does well. I want to talk about Darcy is
I remember a few years ago we knew Zealand that
all blacks could have rolled out two teams, and now
they're struggling really to roll out one. And I just
want to wonder. My question is why what has gone
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wrong with the depths of New Zealand and rugby and
why has South African debts increased and ours has decreased.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
I think when you look back at those days and
we had the possibility of two teams which was always
on paper and none of them had never ever had
to play, that the so called eight team had some
genuine freaks of the game in it that you're just
the generational players, and so if you wipe those freaks out,
maybe you come back to the pack of web it.
(25:00):
I don't know about South Africa. There spent a lot
of time playing in the northern hemisphere that may have
sharp their talents somewhat when they're up there. We've still
got good players. We just don't think I have the
freaks that we used to have, so it makes us
look slightly weaker.
Speaker 15 (25:17):
Do you think that our foster really created debts and
is raising capable of creating debt?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
I think, and Dan, thanks for your point. I think
Razor is and I say that I remember getting harassed
on air by people saying Razor Robinson's not all that
you could coach his team to victory. What people conveniently
forget is that the team that won seven in a
row very different to the first team that turned up.
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He developed depth within the Crusaders internationally. We don't know
the proof of the pudding obviously in the eating, but
he's shown that he can mind decent players and turn
them into fantastic players. It's my theory on that one there.
And I'm going to move on, Craig, what have you
got for us?
Speaker 14 (26:09):
I'm the fan who's got a partner who's Argentine. I
think I was talking to you last time and you
found it quite funny. Yes, yes, yeah, Hey you've got
a question. Was there anything found out about why there's
going to pay him out as half a contract?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I know, what is it? An enigma wrapped in a riddle,
drown and a mystery. I don't know. No, No one's
going to and you never will because the nature of
an employment arguments debates structure of contracts. People never know.
Some of your job same as my job. It's just
so well keep up. But to me, I look at
it and go on the face of it, something's wrong,
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but they're never going to tell us. And they've walked
to one side, and so it'll come out in the
bottom ten years.
Speaker 14 (26:48):
Yeah, no, a few of it mates. We're actually having
a few beers after work and discussing it, and we
came with a few theories. One of the series was
that we do know that a razor does have a
bit of a temperate sometimes. It's been known that through
friends of mine who worked out a friends of mine
that worked.
Speaker 10 (27:02):
Down that way.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah, okay, it was Craig and not me, you know,
just you know, we don't use starry accusations around the car.
Speaker 14 (27:10):
You're you're the wise oracle you never get something's wrong.
But yeah, our theory was possibly he got in a
heated argument with McDonald and may have slept or punched
him then mcg.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no no. You can't throw
theories like that around Craig on air. Come on, it
gets a bit caughty. You know what I mean? That's
theories From what I know of Razory' is a super
calm levelhead of bloke like at Her might be wrong,
but I'm not going to accuse him of that. And
I know you having a few beers and laughing, but
not cool. Sorry, Craig, I like your first call last time,
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this one not so happy with twenty three minutes to
eight sports talk on News Talks, he'd be your call
is still coming a one hundred and eighty, ten eighty
and then stand out for you in that squad where
you scratch you, he can go, I don't know. And
chances of winning? Where do the chances of us winning
come from? Where is the strengthen the side? Let us know?
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Ten eighty your call still to come here on Newstalk's EB.
Speaker 12 (28:24):
Somebody get on first. Yeah, I've been breaking my back
just keeping with the charms.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
No I mean, I'm deeply, deeply concerned with the station's
addiction to country western right now, I can't quite cope
with it. Cease and desist. Okay, I'm deeply concerned about
this entire nation's fascination with the country and western. Stop
buying it. Twenty eight Newstalks, Eb good eight.
Speaker 6 (28:58):
Graham, How are you good?
Speaker 16 (29:00):
Mates? Yeah, Gouse, Yeah, you put a lot of country
in westerns on the head break.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Wait, both kinds of music country and western. So what
do you make of this team? Grihan?
Speaker 10 (29:10):
How good?
Speaker 16 (29:12):
A bit like Goose some somebody was what he said.
I just, yeah, I've got to be honest. I just
I'm a little bit surprised that the way raiser has
picked the team. But but you've got a good chance
of winning because I think Ellis Park statistically, we're actually
it's one of our better grounds. The player would like
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to mention is one had to be mentioned decent. Black
added a lot of people wanted him out outside of
the Crusaders.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Well, I thought, as that would make you happy.
Speaker 16 (29:42):
That made me very happy. No, no, that was and
I know Goose would agree with that, and not that
I know them, but yeah, no, no, I'm very pleased
about that, because yeah, that that configuration of the least
forwards was a toughy but Dalton Propolees injuries made that
a bit easier. So but yeah, the half back, so
I would have liked to have seen. Yeah, but I
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mean TJ has been a great a servant, you know,
and I think he's fought that. The way has come
back from his serious injury is highly admirable. I like
his attitude. But yeah, you know, it's it's he's leaving
at the end of this year or before the end
of the year, so that those changes at half back
at eminent first five. Yeah, yeah McKenzie, Yeah, brilliant at times,
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but yeah, he is. He does worry me is going to.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Get found out. Do you think the South Africa is
going to eat the guy alive? Well, John say it, Graham,
he might well.
Speaker 16 (30:40):
Of the forwards are you know ever complete, you know,
completely dominate the box, which I know most people don't think,
which is highly unlikely in South Africa that that you know,
would happen. But yeah, well it's just the fact he's
a bit inconsistent. But we'll see what happens and it's
going to be a great game.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
It's a massive opportunity for him to shout people's mouths
and go, I can control this game. I've got this.
This is five, this particular fixture, and I'm going to
show you what Damian McKenzie's actually made of at the
highest level. This is built for him to shut a
few people up right.
Speaker 16 (31:17):
Oh, he's a gutsy player. Yeah, you know, there's no
doubt about eight punches of his weight. You know, there's
his predecessor, Richie. You know that's not the biggest, but
they are the guys that you know, they'll die for
the cause, you know. But yeah, we'll just see what happens.
And a great interview at the start of the what
was what was the six spring block coach of the
name by the way, when you interviewed at the start
(31:39):
of the show. Yeah, yeah, no, he spoke very well.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yeah, I don't want to sit with him. Thanks very
much for your call. I'm I'm glad you pleased about
Ethan Blackhead to see that coming. I reckon he's like
a canvas bag of cam shafts and then that's what
tackling him would be like horrible. It's got to Scott
raisor Robertson now talking about some of his selections.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
We're finding the combination with starting and courtis coming on.
It's a really good balance for us. Doesn't mean it's
always going to be that way, but you know, we
were trying to keep combinations together. So TJ's passing to
d MAC and keep keep combinations as much as we
possibly can. This part of the reason he there.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
You go from the mouth of the macetro him self
sixteen minutes to eight. Couple of texts for you. This
is from Goose. Goose says, I definitely agree with Ethan Blackadder.
He made more tackles combined than Ardie and a Dalton.
Speaker 10 (32:37):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Really, and they would have felt all of them. That's
what I mean. Canvas bag full of camshot. I want
to get tackled by that awful McDonald's departure is a
good thing for the All Blacks, writes Walter Darcy. Good
on you for giving defense against spurious claims. Thank you, Joe.
I can't really have that on the programs entirely. I'm
cool and I think I'm from the Nake. And the
(33:00):
scrap was over Barrett as captain, there was no scrap
stop it someone's made another interesting point, but I won't
bring it up because i'mnna let that go now right,
thank you very much? See, how can you say Razor
Bilt depth of the Crusaders, And after seven years a
few big names followed him out the door, and now
(33:23):
be a rubbish Jason. The team in twenty seventeen that
he first named bears little or no resemblance to the
team that carried on winning seven titles, five proper a
couple of random ones before he left. That's called building depth, right,
just saying love this track, by the way it is.
This is not Country and Western by any stretch of
(33:44):
the imagination. Fourteen away from eight, Jacob Orin joins us.
Speaker 17 (33:48):
Next.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
He's a new man and the coaching box for the
black Caps. He's the bawling coach and Big Jay Cobberham
enjoys us.
Speaker 17 (33:55):
Next get out.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I we've joined on sports Talk now by Jacob rom
who's just picked himself up yet another coaching job. This
time he's following the footsteps of Shane Jurgensen. He's the
new black Caps at bowling at coach. Jacob, here we
go again. How many different coaching roles have you had
within New Zealand cricket be a provincial or of course
with national setups. White Ferns are the black Caps. You're
(34:37):
right amongst this only, mate, I.
Speaker 10 (34:39):
Am yees, it's part of the DNA.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
I sort of feel like all the other opportunities and
experiences have had heavi led to this, and you know,
I'm thankful and grateful for those other chances with other
teams at at various levels. But you know this is
you know, the top of the tree for me in
terms of, you know, in the men's.
Speaker 10 (34:59):
Space, working with the black Caps.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
So I'm really happy to be back in a full
time role obviously from being a player and having some
short term op who's previously but you can't wait to
get stuck in.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
So it's Gary Stead looking over his shoulder now because
you know there is a way up. It's not the
absolute top job, Jake.
Speaker 10 (35:15):
Well, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Look, I only just started at least not throw two
stones at a head coach. No for now, mate, I'm
just obviously invested in the bowling side of things and
helping those guys and I'm saying improving them.
Speaker 10 (35:30):
They're already very very good bowlers themselves.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
But you know, doing what I can to add value
and help that team wind.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Some of your chat around what you bring to the
side kind of important. Isn't it that international experience, because
there are plenty of coaches out there. I have had
a wee bit, but not up at that top level.
Is that one of the I suppose the factors that
got you this role, that you've been there, done that.
Speaker 10 (35:55):
I think it probably plays apart.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
But at the same time, I'm not going to say
to be a good coach you must have played international cricket.
Speaker 10 (36:04):
I don't think that's true either, but I think it helps.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
It can only help to understand, appreciate and have a
little bit of empathy for what players are in this case.
In my case, Bowl is going through I mean I
bold and power plays and a death and with older
balls and new balls, and against some of the best
lineups in the world and their own conditions, you know,
whether it be underfoot the patch or overhead with you know,
(36:31):
the temperatures and humidity. So I sort of feel like
I've done a lot, and so having discussions with players
will come from a place of my own.
Speaker 10 (36:40):
Experience as well.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
Again, it doesn't mean it's the silver bullet of coaching,
But I think it's got to help. So, you know,
if that played a part in me being successful in
this proces is great. But I know I can bring
other things to the table, not just that experience of
my own playing days.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah, I'm presuming that it's moved on somewhat and it's
always evolving and developing from your days playing. But you've
gone through, as I said, a number of coaching roles.
Is there anything particular that you've noticed about the way
bowling and cricket at any level works, the way it
has changed over the time.
Speaker 10 (37:15):
Jake, Oh, look, I think you can say cricket has changed. False. Stop.
It's not just bowling.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
You know, batting is just through the roof scores so
high players at the ball so far, they have a
wider range of shots and fielding.
Speaker 10 (37:29):
I mean every player now is a quite quite athlete
in terms of how they move and dive and throw.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
So the whole game has changed, and it's just up
to me now as bowling coach to make sure that
our bowlers are trying to stay a step ahead. That's
not easy, but just making sure we're prepared for all occasions,
all situations. You know, but you've got to work with
those individual strengths. I mean, we've just had a camp
here in Mount Manganui, and you know, I'm getting to
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know a couple of the guys on a personal level first.
You know, what makes them, where they're from, what their
families are like. You know, so I get to understand
them and we create that connection in that relationship before
we start, you know, diving deep into the dos and
dones of technique or tactics, because I think that's the
most important thing, is creating that personal connection. Once they
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trust me and they were on the same page, then
I think we can grow from there.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Jacob worn joins This new bowling coach of the Black
Cap starts in November. You touched on that slightly then,
But the mechanics behind bowling I expect by the time
someone gets the Black Caps, they pretty much know what
they're trying to do. There was a day, maybe thirty
years ago, when they tried to change everyone's action. I
don't think that worked very well. But the balance between
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the mental side of the game and the physical side
of the game. Percentile, what's most important do you think, Jay.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
Well, I think the cliche is it's nine percent mental,
but you've got to make sure that that other ten
percent physical is actually pretty bloody good. Taurus, you don't
really have a hope you could be the most mentally
strong player ever. But if your technique, you know, asn't sustainable,
or you have holes everywhere or in bowl this case,
if it's unsafe, then it doesn't really matter about that
(39:09):
other ninety percent.
Speaker 10 (39:10):
So I think it's a combination.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
And again it comes back to getting to know these players.
Speaker 10 (39:15):
Well. I mean someone like Will O Rourke.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
You know, I've only really watched on TV and he's
only been around with the New Zealand team for what
twelve months?
Speaker 10 (39:23):
Eighty months?
Speaker 4 (39:24):
So someone like him as a key player going forward.
So someone you I've really got to get to know.
Look at it up close, have look some video, you know,
but also not if it's not broken, you know, don't
look for something to fix. Just work with what's their
work with what he's got, all of them. I'm picking
on Will, but you know, just harness those strengths and
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have a few work ons and away we go.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Jane Javiinson been around for a long long time. He's
finally walking away. What is he left for you and
have had much communication with him about picking up where
he left off. Is an important part of continuity in
the role.
Speaker 10 (40:00):
Well, I knew Durgo.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
I mean I actually was a player under Durgo as well,
so when he started with the black Caps, I reckon
a couple of years under him. I mean, Durgo's a great,
great dude first and foremost, and he.
Speaker 10 (40:11):
Was there for a long time.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
So it takes a lot of ip of the team
and the bowlers and international cricket with him. He's done
many many other things as well, so it does leave
big shoes and things. Ugo has been gone since, you know,
even before last summer. That's how I got a couple
of short term opportunities, much the same as Andre Adams,
Colin Mills and a couple of other guys domestically, so
(40:34):
they sort of chopped the season up last summer. I
was fortunate enough to get a couple of these opportunities,
and thankfully from that, I know, maybe showed enough that
I had something to work with, went through this process,
you know, interviews and whatnot, and come out the other
side successful.
Speaker 10 (40:49):
But Durgo leaves a big hole.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
But I'm also very different to Durgo as a person,
but also you know, in my style. So I've just
got to make sure that I stay true to that
and I don't try and be Dugo or Shane Bond
or whoever else has gone before, and just I do
what I do. When we say that about players, you
know you've been selected, just do what you do. That's
what got you here. I'm sort of thinking that's what
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I've got to do as the coach as well.
Speaker 6 (41:14):
The right call is your call.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
On oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Sports Talk
All on your home of sports news Talk Zidy.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Jacob aram Mayor is the new coach of the bowling
department of the black Caps. Here, Andy sayin's money, it's
probably only a week and a half two it's were
actually play Afghanistan. There you go. And we may have
scoffed at that a few years ago, but not anymore.
Looking through the squads, we're talking about the development of
talent that Scott Robertson developed this talent I suppose during
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the time he was there, and the difference between the
twenty seventeen squad and the twenty twenty three squad. There's
a couple still left out of a Jaeger, Joe Moody
and Cody Taylor. They're still floating around. It's probably about
it for the pack, so it helps. I can see.
Speaker 8 (42:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
I think Mitchell Drummond's not around anymore?
Speaker 6 (42:11):
Is he?
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Na year still? So Mitchell Drummer was one of the
first ones, and he came and went, didn't he. Richie
morng has gone. Ryan Crotty's come back. There you go.
That's one who is stuck around. Nope, no one else there, Nope,
no one there, No one there. Jack Good who was
there in twenty twenty three and they picked him for
(42:34):
the twenty seventeen seasons to the year goo. But in
essence he developed and built a team over time that
was unbelievable. All right, but leave him alone and you know,
and at twenty seventeen I finally come back and way
him for the first time. You know who left the
side then? Of too many superstars. I'm Darcy Wattergrave Ange.
Thanks for producing. By.
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
Hey, hey, welcome to sports Thot. Great to have you
on board. It's Thursday night, right twenty ninth of August
twenty twenty four. I'm Darcy Wattergrave with you through until
eight tonight. It is just on seven minutes after seven.
Coming up in the program this evening, Let's talk rugby
and why wouldn't we with one of the most keenly
(00:55):
anticipated test matches there is. I'm talking All Blacks spring
Box at Alice Parkering. This is the best, isn't it?
Isn't this the height of rugby exchanges? Excuse the pun
because we know Alice parks at altitude. I'm really sorry.
I'll go to my rim and think about what I've
just done. We're going to start off talking with Elliott Smith,
News Talk to B Rugby editor who's over there now,
(01:17):
just with a quick look at the all Black team
that was named a couple of hours ago. Then we're
joined by former South African head coach twenty twelve to
twenty fifteen, heineker Meyer will talk about that all black
side to play South Africa. We'll talk about even Izabeth
and if he's there or not and why he isn't.
We'll also talk about his favorite players, the weak points,
(01:37):
the strong points. The list goes on, and then we'll
get you on the line on our eight one hundred
eighty ten eighty we can text nineteen nine two that
is at zed B, zed B. How big a chance
do the All Blacks have of actually winning at Alice Park?
Was I tell you what, There's going to be some
upset South Africans up there after they got rolled last time.
When in Foster's career it was saved, we all thought
(02:00):
it was gurglar bound, it was through the ub. But
now so I'm saying there's going to be some upset
South off. This game is going to be epic. I'd
like your thoughts on the chances of winning and just
reaction to the naming of the twenty three that are
going to take on the reigning world champions. Just to
make a point of it before that, though this Sport
(02:22):
Today and a Sport Today, Scott Robinson has named former
All Black skipper Sam Cain in the seven jersey for
this weekend South African Scrap.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Why Sam has been incredible off the field for us.
Now it's an opportunity for him to be that test
uttering we need in the high belt, all that experience
and in that calmness, but also really good tough shoulders.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yep, that makes sense. What is it about Scott Robinson
and people's shoulders? It's just fine, stop of it. Willie
Jacob orm form a black Cap all round around cricket
coach across genders and formats, is picking up where Shane
Jergenson left off. Big Jay is the new black Caps
bowling coach as of November. So what do you bring.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
One of the biggest things as that experience, the empathy
that I've had from being a player myself. And that
doesn't automatically mean a player equals a good coach, but
I think it helps and to understand the situations at
all bowlers will be going through.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, we all know that as key as we love
it when someone actually mentions us. Coca Goff played that
game today at the US Open, referencing the time she
played her next opponent and beat her to win the
ASB Classic. Elenadelena is her name. Tell us about us,
Go on, go go make our day.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
She can do pretty much everything you know when I
play her in Auckland, we had a lot of physical points.
The challenge will be just finding the balance between being
aggressive and not letting her dicteat But obviously, you know,
not making too many errors.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
That's sport today.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
After the Republic we go. Now we're joined by Elliott
smith Man of the MIC for the All Black fixtures
over this Rugby Championship. Elliott, welcome to the program. Team
is out slightly later released. I suppose first for you
any major surprises or reasons go.
Speaker 7 (04:07):
Well, firstly when you see that team and you go
Sam Kain's an open side flanker and starting you go,
what's the deal there? But Scott Robinson explaining that Dolden
Papa Lee has a minor thumb injury. But I also
like the edge that I think Sam kin brings the
experience up for this game. But certainly seeing his name
jump out of the team sheet was a bit of
a surprise when that was released to us.
Speaker 8 (04:29):
And then otherwise fairly standard.
Speaker 7 (04:31):
You look at the changes and that Sam Kane Won
is injury enforced, the return of Scott Barrett is an
injury returnee. Otherwise it's essentially the same team that rolled
out against Argentina at Eden Park as seven of Penny
Feen now coming off the bench his first Test since
the second match against England. So a couple of little
tweaked but very much injury related. Otherwise, the All Black
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sticking with the combination that got them the win at
Eton Park.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Scott Robinson's having a love affair with Sam Kaine's shoulder,
isn't he. He won't shut up about.
Speaker 8 (05:00):
It, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 7 (05:01):
It's quite remarkable. Look, I think in the latter stages
of Sam Kain's career and you know, Scott Robertson learning
I guess a bit more about what it means to
coach at Test level. I think he's found that these
kind of players are important. And it's not saying that
Dolden Papa Lee hasn't played a good role for the
All Blacks so far this year, but I think there's
an edge to Sam Kaine that the All Blacks want
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out there at Alice Park on the weekend. Of course,
the last time Sam Kaine started a Test was in
that World Cup final last year when he was captain
and was sent off in that game, So I'm sure
that's in the back of everyone's mind, including Scott Robertson
and Sam Kaines. But you look at the edge that
Sam kain can bring to a Test match, even in
the twilight of his career. That's what you need at
(05:43):
Alice Park on the weekend against a really physical and
tough spring Box team, and there.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Was a lot of consultation between media around who is
going to pick up the left wing jersey. Caleb Clark
has the nod. He has a big unit, a big body,
drives hard, but he's basically defending against someone who's going
This is an interesting combo, isn't it.
Speaker 8 (06:05):
It is up again Chooslan Colby.
Speaker 7 (06:07):
Of course that's an incredible matchup and look out of
Clark's don't really well to get his spot back into
the team. And you know the hat trick at Eden
Park in the Super Rugby Final, but I thought it
was also tidy without too many opportunities coming his way,
necessarily in that Test against Argentina at eden Park. But
I think what you get out of him is the power.
He's very good under the high ball as well, which
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I'm sure is an area he'll be targeted. And then
just running on high that hard deck is as crucial
for Cadile Clark as well. So he's been out Mark
tala and tali is going to have to add some
impact later on in the game, a role that he's
not necessarily familiar with did at Eden Park, but looks
like that's his lot for the current you know, selections anyway,
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and so he's going to have to come and cut
shapes in the last twenty or so minutes and try
and get through some tire defenders. And to be honest,
you look at the way that Mark Taliy has. He's
so slippery, He's very very hard to defend. At the
best of times when you're coming up against tiring defenses.
That step, that the ability to break through the tackle
might just be what the All Blacks need in the
closing stages of the Test match.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
And you can listen to that to the mouth in
the mind of Elliot Smith, our man on spot over
in that South African news talk zeb has the call
on the weak Smalls of Sunday Morning, New Zealand. Elliott,
thanks for your time, May you go well.
Speaker 8 (07:20):
Being a pleasure to us.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Thirteen minutes after seven, Let's stay in the Republic and
were joined now by a former South African head coach
that was back between twenty twelve and twenty fifteen. His
name is Heinek and Meyer. He joins us now. Heneker,
Welcome to the show spring Box. The All Blacks at
Alice Park.
Speaker 8 (07:39):
That's the pinnacle, right, Yeah, that's unbelievable.
Speaker 9 (07:43):
You know, they've just I just had an interview now
about the last time he beat All Blacks in the
Adada Spark in twenty and fourteen and just a mending
that game and we ended the wire and just to
look collecting that game. It was an unbelievable experience in
that other spark. You know, sixty thousand people. It's a pannicle.
I think it's a pinnicle for South African players as well.
(08:05):
And always the All Blacks always left themselves and actually
spokes got a really good record for the All Blacks.
Speaker 10 (08:10):
You know.
Speaker 9 (08:11):
It said that I felt people think, you know, it's
too so Africa more, but I think it's a New
Zealand as well because the quick field, the ball travels
a lot, so yeah, unbelievable field, unbelievable atmosphere and you
don't get bigger than that. You know, there's so much
respect between the two teams and two of the best
teams in the world.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
They South Americans are playing some sublime rugby. It's almost
like they've gotten better since that World Cup final, still
retaining a lot of the experience, but bringing a nice
set of youth. Through taking that into mind and looking
at the All Blacks under a new coach, DoD the
All Blacks have much of a chance of actually winning
this game.
Speaker 8 (08:44):
Hod of All Blocks definitely have a chance. Definitely, you
can never write them off.
Speaker 9 (08:48):
Believable back back line and an unbelievable team. Actually want
to go one step back in a sense, I feel
for for Razor because I was more or less in
the same position. You know, I think the All Blacks
were always very, very good. Is that always had continuity.
I remember when I did my first Test match. My
friend Steve Hansen has been the assistant coach for eight years.
I think he had one hundred Test matches as assistant coach,
(09:11):
and then I had Richmond Calls the captain for almost
a hundred Test matches as well. And when I took over,
you know, I was new, my my coaching staff was new,
and my captain was new. So you know, it's only
five games in. It takes time to sort out your
coaching staff, it takes time to start your team and
the way you want to play, and you learn sometimes
on the go.
Speaker 8 (09:29):
It's much different test match rugby.
Speaker 9 (09:32):
So in a sense I feel for scoutt because I
know being New Zealand or South African public thes no,
there is no time to get you know, to grow,
you have to you have to be at your.
Speaker 8 (09:41):
Best from day one.
Speaker 9 (09:43):
But by saying that, I doesn't think the All PLA's
got a chance and I doesn't think at that spot,
you know, the quality team. They still got a lot
of experience there. I think they've got a brilliant brant backline,
so they definitely have a chance. For me, there's three
things which I think is very important. The first thing
I think is that is a is a tactical kicking game.
I thought they were brilliant against Argentina the last game,
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one of the best performance I've seen that conditions. But
in the previous game they couldn't get out of their half.
So against the rash defense where they were really quite
efficient in the past, is you know, cross kicks to
Will Jordan or the wingers and just just to knock
that you know that fresh defense back, so they've got
a good kicking game to get in the right areas,
you know, and there's you don't front football. They can
run any team to pieces, so I think that's going
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to be important.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Adak Am I joining the program. You touched on assistant
coach and you see it how difficult it is for
robertson starting off. Of course, Leo McDonald's just walked on
the team. How much interference do you think is that
going to be for the side.
Speaker 9 (10:39):
Yeah, there's always interference, But I think again, you know
it's only been four or five TIS matches in you
know it's better to make the call now, I believe,
because what you don't want that I've been in coaching
staff like that is you know, it's all about philosophy.
If you don't agree on philosophy. And I don't comment
too much because I don't know. There isn't ins and outs.
I don't like to comment on other teams. But one
thing I do know. You know, if there's a clash
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of philosophies, sooner or later the team gets divided and
then there's no way you can win. I still feel
the really good team I think especially unbelievable back back line.
And if they can, you know, they can do all
the set piece that was going to have a chance.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Evan Elizabeth is going to be playing. There was a
thought process that he might not have been playing. I
didn't expect for a minute that he wouldn't be I mean,
mind game is enough from a resci arrestmus are just
the way things roll.
Speaker 9 (11:25):
No, I don't think it's mind games. Even was injured
during the week and they've got a policy. If you
don't train on a Monday, you can't You're not going
to play. So at first he was he wasn't he was.
He trained on Monday apparently and was ready to play,
and then at a nigle wasn't at a percent. Then
they thought he's not going to be able to play.
And then you recovered well and trained well. I think
then the nice thing that they do have at the
moment the spring Monk is they got so much tips
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and what like I said, but they're doing right at
the moment is you know, if you look at that bench,
you know, Vincent courch mark and marks one up there
one of the best. You know, because in the world
it's a bit it's an unbelievable bench.
Speaker 8 (11:59):
Quaha makes a huge difference and a lot of experience.
Speaker 9 (12:02):
If you look at an Zealand bench was a great
impact players, but you know, not the same experience and
what I've seen about that Africa and even when I
was involved, we're not always good chasing a game. You know,
we're very good being in front and you know, just
keep to the structure and and you know, close the
game out. But if they have to chase at the end,
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it's quite difficult. And I think the lactually they have
now is that they bring those guys on they say experienced.
They have a guy like even not risking him for
sixty seventy minutes, he got Malcolm Marks guys all almost
like fifty test matches on the bench that that's been
a difference for them lately.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Tell us about RESSI arrestmus What have you had to
do with him? He's a very interesting human and interesting coach.
He's definitely well, they threw away the mold when they
created him, didn't they would he like to deal with
Is it just a wee bit crazy in a good way?
Speaker 9 (12:51):
Yeah? He was my technical isah for the first two
years and then he became director Ragbda.
Speaker 8 (12:56):
He's a great coach.
Speaker 9 (12:57):
I think he's very technical, studies the game and I
think the one thing they're doing right at the moment,
you know, bring a guy in like Tony Brown's can
be immense. You know, one stage of effic was very isolated.
Even when Eye coach. We're not allowed to bring guys
from overseas. We're not allowed us all about intellectual property.
I think the one thing Russia has done well and
they had to go, you know, the goaway to do it.
(13:17):
Especially when you're a director of rugby, I think you
learn a lot of monster and a great thing now
is I mean to bring Tony Brown is I think
it's an unbelievable step in the right direction, so that
Africa could always play a good kicking for a dominated
game with brilliant defense. You know, that was our DNA
and they will never move away from that. I think
the fact that they brought in Tony Brown is suddenly
they play with more with It's only been four or
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five test matches, but you can see glimpses of what
they can be, and they can play all around game.
You know, They're always been good set piece and defense.
Now they add that with some great attacking players and
I think that's why they're looking at this young ten
as well.
Speaker 8 (13:52):
Whi's been impressive.
Speaker 9 (13:53):
I think Russia is the innovator and the fact that
he's not, you know, not scared to being in guys
from other countries, it's going to make a big difference.
Keeps on innovating, games on growing, and he's a great coach.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Sam Kain starting for the All Blacks formal bake captain.
They got seen off on the finals first game back
INCOS World Cup last year. Did the spring box rate
what Sam Kaine brings to the game, brings to the pack,
brings to his position.
Speaker 9 (14:17):
Yeah, I rate Sam Kaine very highly as a player
and I think the one thing that they do need
to is to do to slow s that Afghans ball down.
You know that African forwards get go forward and get
quick ball in the front through. They very dangerous, especially now,
like I said of their attacking play going forward, I've
got a lot of respect for the New Zealand loose Fords,
a lot of big ball carriers in there, but I
(14:38):
think Sam Kay is more like a Richard mcgold moore
is out and out open site, which I probably didn't
have previously, so I rate him.
Speaker 10 (14:46):
Eiley.
Speaker 9 (14:47):
It's a pretty went off in that final, you know,
just just the nature of the beast the game at
the moment. And maybe that's the other thing.
Speaker 11 (14:53):
You know.
Speaker 9 (14:55):
I think discipline is there's a lot of choice between
these two sites, and I think now with the you know,
so much interference from from the officials, the discipline can
be very important and displand sometimes go with experience. He
need experienced players, you need kool aid. So to have
him there, he's quat experienced, he's been a captain. You know,
he's got a lot of lot to prove. So I
think that's a great goal to have him involved.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
What about on the wing, Caleb Clark. He's a big body,
he can run, he can trample over people, but he
might get rings run around him by his opposite. That's
an interesting call, isn't it. Minka.
Speaker 9 (15:27):
Yeah, I've always rated him. It depends how you want
to go, you know, Will Jordan. For me, he's probably
up there the best wingers in the world. I really
highly rate him, especially those cross kicks, and I think
they should probably do that in the beginning, just you know,
like I said, just to give the rash defense out.
I always felt in Newisient that one big winger running
it as they very very dangerous. A guy can score
something out of nothing. He just always had that. I
(15:50):
when I used to coach against them, they had a
lot of those guys playing. Certainly, I've probably been in
the A it's more like Will Jordan. But I just
think if you have that big wing of bringing him in,
he's very dangerous.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
And finally just closing, then's up. Heindekm. I thank you
so much for joining us. As are an obvious weakness
in this all black side that can be exploited.
Speaker 9 (16:10):
You know, at that level, the great teams like that.
I don't think there's a weakness. It's just you know,
the margins, like I said, is so small, so at
that level there's there's stay, not weaknesses.
Speaker 8 (16:20):
I just think it's a question of you know, they
just need time this team.
Speaker 9 (16:25):
And I know that because I was on the head
of side, other side of the fence. These guys just
need time with a new coaching staff. They just need
time to know exactly how they want to play. You know,
every single game out there is unbelievable pressure, especially if
the re zident or or the South African coach. I've
been there and every game is a master win, so
you almost take longer just to you know, get your
DNA going. But not a lot of not a lot
(16:45):
of weakness in that team. And I keep on saying this,
if you don't get front football in the right areas
and they get quick ball, they have a very dangerous team,
like they've turned against Argentina. The one thing they probably
have to they have to to do is that, and.
Speaker 8 (16:59):
I know they will.
Speaker 9 (17:01):
I just felt I watched both stage matches. I love
to see this didn't play. I'm a big friend of
New Zendent rugby, but I could see the intensity difference
in intensity between the first Test against Argentina and the
second Test.
Speaker 8 (17:11):
I mean the intensity the second Test.
Speaker 9 (17:13):
You know, every single collision is you is, you know
as one, every single collision. You know, they were just
dominant and they dive on the ball and they were
just unbelievable physical To be the spring Boks at other spot,
they're going to need that same physicality.
Speaker 8 (17:25):
I know they will lift themselves. They always lift themselves.
Speaker 9 (17:28):
So South Africa, I haven't been to a New Zealand
South Africa Test much for a long time.
Speaker 8 (17:33):
So I'm going to the game. So I'm very very excited.
Speaker 9 (17:35):
I think it's going to be an awesome game and
it's going to you know, it's gonna be a it's
going to be in the small margins, the discipline, the
set piece, and the game breakers. So I'm looking forward
to awesome game.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
Forget the riffs call. You make the call on Sports
Talk on your home of sports. The talk.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Is that Sports Talk kind of Commia their former Springbok coach.
I want to sit next to him at the game.
How good the information? What an engaging character?
Speaker 10 (18:04):
He has?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Lots to say around the two teams, around the result,
around the Dare I say it conflict itself? I'd like
your calls, your thoughts. Eight hundred eighty, ten eighty. Let's
let it rip around spring box of the All Blacks
so much to look at. Have they got a chance
of winning Alice Park? Of course they have. They've done
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it before. They've actually done it quite a lot of
recent times. What about the All Black squad naming? Is
there an area of weakness? Is there an area of strength?
Are you confused? Concerned? Uplifted? Let me know lines are
open for you eight hundred eighty ten eighty. You can
text if you really must nineteen ninet two. That is ZBZB.
(18:48):
I went a text as well, say who's the referee?
It's a guy called Andrew Bracelet me start a refereeing
well twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen's a bit of a United
Nations lives in Ireland, got Belgian blood in him. I
think played in Wales. Got a bit of an English
connection too. Is he any good? No idea? We'll find
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out on Sunday morning as his News TALKSB.
Speaker 6 (19:18):
You hear it from the biggest names and sports men.
Have your say on sports Talk on your home of
sports News Talks.
Speaker 12 (19:27):
It be.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Twenty seven sports talkout on News Talks it B Let
us know any chance of winning it? Alice Park, Yes,
of course they do. Every chance and least someone gets
hooked the first five minutes of the game. I didn't
even joke about that. It may or may not happen.
I don't know a great deal about the referee who's
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got the game. I think that when he calls test
matches South Africa, he's refereed three games that they've won,
one game that they've lost. Who knows what that means.
Let's go to Goose now anyway, how are you?
Speaker 13 (20:10):
Yeah, they're feel good breaks. We've had them before, your
stereotypical UK pedantic type, so it'll be what it'll be.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
He used to play for Belgium. That's where he actually
played as rugby. It was a sevens player too.
Speaker 13 (20:25):
Well, there you go. Yeah I didn't know that. But
you know we have Adam before. The referees are tigging
a poke. Really it could be decided by them or
we could have a good game regardless of him. That's
about the extent of the all referee.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yeah, it doesn't really matter, does it is? What it
is is they say, so what do you make of
this side? They can they roll them or not?
Speaker 6 (20:45):
O B.
Speaker 13 (20:46):
So of course we can roll them.
Speaker 12 (20:48):
Come.
Speaker 13 (20:49):
You wouldn't have said that we were going to get
a win coming back from there, but we're gone back
to the site of the all Black SMUs ever victory.
So that that back from South Africa was the worst
wind we've ever had because it Dave Foster's job and
if it on taking well is that sorry?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Is that why it's the worst victory they've ever had.
Speaker 13 (21:12):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Oh my god, Goose, Let it go.
Speaker 13 (21:16):
It's terrible one. Well, its effectively tossed up the world
and possibly the next one as well, because we've got
Rasor dealing with the worst crop of ABA players and
then cooming coaches had and we've wound up with this
selection which is I'm a hardcore ridden black man that
sees bugger all out of by ridden black eye.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
But the areas though when you look at it, is
there a couple of points ago Dad is politantly wrong
or that could be problematic, or there is a weakness
right across the twenty three.
Speaker 13 (21:54):
Yeah, so we don't have an international quality kind for
a start. So it's going to be a problem no
matter what until we get one. If I was rais Or,
I would have been taken a buck even over there
incoming with but I'm pecking McKenzie is going to get
found out. TJ should have played his last easton Wellington
(22:14):
and he would have been bloody lucky to have got
that one.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
We sorry justis buying back on that because the number
ten for South Africa Fininberg and noi Zulu. He has
only got about ten test matches under his belt too,
so inexperiencing around then that could be key for both sides.
Speaker 13 (22:36):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, there's no doubt about that. But from
our point of view, we're going to suffer as a result.
I mean, McKenzie's an okay super rugby player, but he's
no fest Legal King and Barrett was, but only in
the first year that he got named World Rugby Player
of the Year. He's gone backwards ever since then, so
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we're going to struggle there. He thought Riko Yovanni back in,
who was the world's best winger, and decided that he
wanted to become a crapman and that's all we've got
from him since he's moved in. The hope we get
a decent kicking game out of Jordie and we don't
wind up with the Barratts just dumping everything away to
the Bond squad.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Alright, got just before we let you go, give us
something to smile about. Come on, mate, I know you've
got it, and you will give us one positive, one positive.
He stop that and he does.
Speaker 10 (23:28):
One positive, one positive.
Speaker 13 (23:30):
I believe the passenger is injured, that he wasn't available
for selection.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Well, it's kind of a backheaded compliment around about kind
of way breathe goose breathe, it's going to be a
okay and I mean make some good points and fear
on that. I think McKenzie might be a real problem today, Dan,
how are.
Speaker 11 (23:50):
You, Darcy?
Speaker 14 (23:52):
Here's it going?
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Oh well, it was going really uplifting until Goose decided
to shoot you down. But that's okay. I you know,
I love him because he speaks a truth, even though
it's a bit depressing.
Speaker 11 (24:03):
He does well. I want to talk about Darcy is
I remember a few years ago we knew Zealand that
all blacks could have rolled out two teams, and now
they're struggling really to roll out one. And I just
want to wonder. My question is why what has gone
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wrong with the depths of New Zealand and rugby and
why has South African debts increased and ours has decreased.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
I think when you look back at those days and
we had the possibility of two teams which was always
on paper and none of them had never ever had
to play, that the so called eight team had some
genuine freaks of the game in it that you're just
the generational players, and so if you wipe those freaks out,
maybe you come back to the pack of web it.
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I don't know about South Africa. There spent a lot
of time playing in the northern hemisphere that may have
sharp their talents somewhat when they're up there. We've still
got good players. We just don't think I have the
freaks that we used to have, so it makes us
look slightly weaker.
Speaker 15 (25:17):
Do you think that our foster really created debts and
is raising capable of creating debt?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
I think, and Dan, thanks for your point. I think
Razor is and I say that I remember getting harassed
on air by people saying Razor Robinson's not all that
you could coach his team to victory. What people conveniently
forget is that the team that won seven in a
row very different to the first team that turned up.
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He developed depth within the Crusaders internationally. We don't know
the proof of the pudding obviously in the eating, but
he's shown that he can mind decent players and turn
them into fantastic players. It's my theory on that one there.
And I'm going to move on, Craig, what have you
got for us?
Speaker 14 (26:09):
I'm the fan who's got a partner who's Argentine. I
think I was talking to you last time and you
found it quite funny. Yes, yes, yeah, Hey you've got
a question. Was there anything found out about why there's
going to pay him out as half a contract?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I know, what is it? An enigma wrapped in a riddle,
drown and a mystery. I don't know. No, No one's
going to and you never will because the nature of
an employment arguments debates structure of contracts. People never know.
Some of your job same as my job. It's just
so well keep up. But to me, I look at
it and go on the face of it, something's wrong,
(26:43):
but they're never going to tell us. And they've walked
to one side, and so it'll come out in the
bottom ten years.
Speaker 14 (26:48):
Yeah, no, a few of it mates. We're actually having
a few beers after work and discussing it, and we
came with a few theories. One of the series was
that we do know that a razor does have a
bit of a temperate sometimes. It's been known that through
friends of mine who worked out a friends of mine
that worked.
Speaker 10 (27:02):
Down that way.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah, okay, it was Craig and not me, you know,
just you know, we don't use starry accusations around the car.
Speaker 14 (27:10):
You're you're the wise oracle you never get something's wrong.
But yeah, our theory was possibly he got in a
heated argument with McDonald and may have slept or punched
him then mcg.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no no. You can't throw
theories like that around Craig on air. Come on, it
gets a bit caughty. You know what I mean? That's
theories From what I know of Razory' is a super
calm levelhead of bloke like at Her might be wrong,
but I'm not going to accuse him of that. And
I know you having a few beers and laughing, but
not cool. Sorry, Craig, I like your first call last time,
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this one not so happy with twenty three minutes to
eight sports talk on News Talks, he'd be your call
is still coming a one hundred and eighty, ten eighty
and then stand out for you in that squad where
you scratch you, he can go, I don't know. And
chances of winning? Where do the chances of us winning
come from? Where is the strengthen the side? Let us know?
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Ten eighty your call still to come here on Newstalk's EB.
Speaker 12 (28:24):
Somebody get on first. Yeah, I've been breaking my back
just keeping with the charms.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
No I mean, I'm deeply, deeply concerned with the station's
addiction to country western right now, I can't quite cope
with it. Cease and desist. Okay, I'm deeply concerned about
this entire nation's fascination with the country and western. Stop
buying it. Twenty eight Newstalks, Eb good eight.
Speaker 6 (28:58):
Graham, How are you good?
Speaker 16 (29:00):
Mates? Yeah, Gouse, Yeah, you put a lot of country
in westerns on the head break.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Wait, both kinds of music country and western. So what
do you make of this team? Grihan?
Speaker 10 (29:10):
How good?
Speaker 16 (29:12):
A bit like Goose some somebody was what he said.
I just, yeah, I've got to be honest. I just
I'm a little bit surprised that the way raiser has
picked the team. But but you've got a good chance
of winning because I think Ellis Park statistically, we're actually
it's one of our better grounds. The player would like
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to mention is one had to be mentioned decent. Black
added a lot of people wanted him out outside of
the Crusaders.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Well, I thought, as that would make you happy.
Speaker 16 (29:42):
That made me very happy. No, no, that was and
I know Goose would agree with that, and not that
I know them, but yeah, no, no, I'm very pleased
about that, because yeah, that that configuration of the least
forwards was a toughy but Dalton Propolees injuries made that
a bit easier. So but yeah, the half back, so
I would have liked to have seen. Yeah, but I
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mean TJ has been a great a servant, you know,
and I think he's fought that. The way has come
back from his serious injury is highly admirable. I like
his attitude. But yeah, you know, it's it's he's leaving
at the end of this year or before the end
of the year, so that those changes at half back
at eminent first five. Yeah, yeah McKenzie, Yeah, brilliant at times,
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but yeah, he is. He does worry me is going to.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Get found out. Do you think the South Africa is
going to eat the guy alive? Well, John say it, Graham,
he might well.
Speaker 16 (30:40):
Of the forwards are you know ever complete, you know,
completely dominate the box, which I know most people don't think,
which is highly unlikely in South Africa that that you know,
would happen. But yeah, well it's just the fact he's
a bit inconsistent. But we'll see what happens and it's
going to be a great game.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
It's a massive opportunity for him to shout people's mouths
and go, I can control this game. I've got this.
This is five, this particular fixture, and I'm going to
show you what Damian McKenzie's actually made of at the
highest level. This is built for him to shut a
few people up right.
Speaker 16 (31:17):
Oh, he's a gutsy player. Yeah, you know, there's no
doubt about eight punches of his weight. You know, there's
his predecessor, Richie. You know that's not the biggest, but
they are the guys that you know, they'll die for
the cause, you know. But yeah, we'll just see what happens.
And a great interview at the start of the what
was what was the six spring block coach of the
name by the way, when you interviewed at the start
(31:39):
of the show. Yeah, yeah, no, he spoke very well.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yeah, I don't want to sit with him. Thanks very
much for your call. I'm I'm glad you pleased about
Ethan Blackhead to see that coming. I reckon he's like
a canvas bag of cam shafts and then that's what
tackling him would be like horrible. It's got to Scott
raisor Robertson now talking about some of his selections.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
We're finding the combination with starting and courtis coming on.
It's a really good balance for us. Doesn't mean it's
always going to be that way, but you know, we
were trying to keep combinations together. So TJ's passing to
d MAC and keep keep combinations as much as we
possibly can. This part of the reason he there.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
You go from the mouth of the macetro him self
sixteen minutes to eight. Couple of texts for you. This
is from Goose. Goose says, I definitely agree with Ethan Blackadder.
He made more tackles combined than Ardie and a Dalton.
Speaker 10 (32:37):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Really, and they would have felt all of them. That's
what I mean. Canvas bag full of camshot. I want
to get tackled by that awful McDonald's departure is a
good thing for the All Blacks, writes Walter Darcy. Good
on you for giving defense against spurious claims. Thank you, Joe.
I can't really have that on the programs entirely. I'm
cool and I think I'm from the Nake. And the
(33:00):
scrap was over Barrett as captain, there was no scrap
stop it someone's made another interesting point, but I won't
bring it up because i'mnna let that go now right,
thank you very much? See, how can you say Razor
Bilt depth of the Crusaders, And after seven years a
few big names followed him out the door, and now
(33:23):
be a rubbish Jason. The team in twenty seventeen that
he first named bears little or no resemblance to the
team that carried on winning seven titles, five proper a
couple of random ones before he left. That's called building depth, right,
just saying love this track, by the way it is.
This is not Country and Western by any stretch of
(33:44):
the imagination. Fourteen away from eight, Jacob Orin joins us.
Speaker 17 (33:48):
Next.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
He's a new man and the coaching box for the
black Caps. He's the bawling coach and Big Jay Cobberham
enjoys us.
Speaker 17 (33:55):
Next get out.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I we've joined on sports Talk now by Jacob rom
who's just picked himself up yet another coaching job. This
time he's following the footsteps of Shane Jurgensen. He's the
new black Caps at bowling at coach. Jacob, here we
go again. How many different coaching roles have you had
within New Zealand cricket be a provincial or of course
with national setups. White Ferns are the black Caps. You're
(34:37):
right amongst this only, mate, I.
Speaker 10 (34:39):
Am yees, it's part of the DNA.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
I sort of feel like all the other opportunities and
experiences have had heavi led to this, and you know,
I'm thankful and grateful for those other chances with other
teams at at various levels. But you know this is
you know, the top of the tree for me in
terms of, you know, in the men's.
Speaker 10 (34:59):
Space, working with the black Caps.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
So I'm really happy to be back in a full
time role obviously from being a player and having some
short term op who's previously but you can't wait to
get stuck in.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
So it's Gary Stead looking over his shoulder now because
you know there is a way up. It's not the
absolute top job, Jake.
Speaker 10 (35:15):
Well, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Look, I only just started at least not throw two
stones at a head coach. No for now, mate, I'm
just obviously invested in the bowling side of things and
helping those guys and I'm saying improving them.
Speaker 10 (35:30):
They're already very very good bowlers themselves.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
But you know, doing what I can to add value
and help that team wind.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Some of your chat around what you bring to the
side kind of important. Isn't it that international experience, because
there are plenty of coaches out there. I have had
a wee bit, but not up at that top level.
Is that one of the I suppose the factors that
got you this role, that you've been there, done that.
Speaker 10 (35:55):
I think it probably plays apart.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
But at the same time, I'm not going to say
to be a good coach you must have played international cricket.
Speaker 10 (36:04):
I don't think that's true either, but I think it helps.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
It can only help to understand, appreciate and have a
little bit of empathy for what players are in this case.
In my case, Bowl is going through I mean I
bold and power plays and a death and with older
balls and new balls, and against some of the best
lineups in the world and their own conditions, you know,
whether it be underfoot the patch or overhead with you know,
(36:31):
the temperatures and humidity. So I sort of feel like
I've done a lot, and so having discussions with players
will come from a place of my own.
Speaker 10 (36:40):
Experience as well.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
Again, it doesn't mean it's the silver bullet of coaching,
But I think it's got to help. So, you know,
if that played a part in me being successful in
this proces is great. But I know I can bring
other things to the table, not just that experience of
my own playing days.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah, I'm presuming that it's moved on somewhat and it's
always evolving and developing from your days playing. But you've
gone through, as I said, a number of coaching roles.
Is there anything particular that you've noticed about the way
bowling and cricket at any level works, the way it
has changed over the time.
Speaker 10 (37:15):
Jake, Oh, look, I think you can say cricket has changed. False. Stop.
It's not just bowling.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
You know, batting is just through the roof scores so
high players at the ball so far, they have a
wider range of shots and fielding.
Speaker 10 (37:29):
I mean every player now is a quite quite athlete
in terms of how they move and dive and throw.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
So the whole game has changed, and it's just up
to me now as bowling coach to make sure that
our bowlers are trying to stay a step ahead. That's
not easy, but just making sure we're prepared for all occasions,
all situations. You know, but you've got to work with
those individual strengths. I mean, we've just had a camp
here in Mount Manganui, and you know, I'm getting to
(37:55):
know a couple of the guys on a personal level first.
You know, what makes them, where they're from, what their
families are like. You know, so I get to understand
them and we create that connection in that relationship before
we start, you know, diving deep into the dos and
dones of technique or tactics, because I think that's the
most important thing, is creating that personal connection. Once they
(38:15):
trust me and they were on the same page, then
I think we can grow from there.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Jacob worn joins This new bowling coach of the Black
Cap starts in November. You touched on that slightly then,
But the mechanics behind bowling I expect by the time
someone gets the Black Caps, they pretty much know what
they're trying to do. There was a day, maybe thirty
years ago, when they tried to change everyone's action. I
don't think that worked very well. But the balance between
(38:41):
the mental side of the game and the physical side
of the game. Percentile, what's most important do you think, Jay.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
Well, I think the cliche is it's nine percent mental,
but you've got to make sure that that other ten
percent physical is actually pretty bloody good. Taurus, you don't
really have a hope you could be the most mentally
strong player ever. But if your technique, you know, asn't sustainable,
or you have holes everywhere or in bowl this case,
if it's unsafe, then it doesn't really matter about that
(39:09):
other ninety percent.
Speaker 10 (39:10):
So I think it's a combination.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
And again it comes back to getting to know these players.
Speaker 10 (39:15):
Well. I mean someone like Will O Rourke.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
You know, I've only really watched on TV and he's
only been around with the New Zealand team for what
twelve months?
Speaker 10 (39:23):
Eighty months?
Speaker 4 (39:24):
So someone like him as a key player going forward.
So someone you I've really got to get to know.
Look at it up close, have look some video, you know,
but also not if it's not broken, you know, don't
look for something to fix. Just work with what's their
work with what he's got, all of them. I'm picking
on Will, but you know, just harness those strengths and
(39:45):
have a few work ons and away we go.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Jane Javiinson been around for a long long time. He's
finally walking away. What is he left for you and
have had much communication with him about picking up where
he left off. Is an important part of continuity in
the role.
Speaker 10 (40:00):
Well, I knew Durgo.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
I mean I actually was a player under Durgo as well,
so when he started with the black Caps, I reckon
a couple of years under him. I mean, Durgo's a great,
great dude first and foremost, and he.
Speaker 10 (40:11):
Was there for a long time.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
So it takes a lot of ip of the team
and the bowlers and international cricket with him. He's done
many many other things as well, so it does leave
big shoes and things. Ugo has been gone since, you know,
even before last summer. That's how I got a couple
of short term opportunities, much the same as Andre Adams,
Colin Mills and a couple of other guys domestically, so
(40:34):
they sort of chopped the season up last summer. I
was fortunate enough to get a couple of these opportunities,
and thankfully from that, I know, maybe showed enough that
I had something to work with, went through this process,
you know, interviews and whatnot, and come out the other
side successful.
Speaker 10 (40:49):
But Durgo leaves a big hole.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
But I'm also very different to Durgo as a person,
but also you know, in my style. So I've just
got to make sure that I stay true to that
and I don't try and be Dugo or Shane Bond
or whoever else has gone before, and just I do
what I do. When we say that about players, you
know you've been selected, just do what you do. That's
what got you here. I'm sort of thinking that's what
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I've got to do as the coach as well.
Speaker 6 (41:14):
The right call is your call.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
On oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Sports Talk
All on your home of sports news Talk Zidy.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Jacob aram Mayor is the new coach of the bowling
department of the black Caps. Here, Andy sayin's money, it's
probably only a week and a half two it's were
actually play Afghanistan. There you go. And we may have
scoffed at that a few years ago, but not anymore.
Looking through the squads, we're talking about the development of
talent that Scott Robertson developed this talent I suppose during
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the time he was there, and the difference between the
twenty seventeen squad and the twenty twenty three squad. There's
a couple still left out of a Jaeger, Joe Moody
and Cody Taylor. They're still floating around. It's probably about
it for the pack, so it helps. I can see.
Speaker 8 (42:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
I think Mitchell Drummond's not around anymore?
Speaker 6 (42:11):
Is he?
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Na year still? So Mitchell Drummer was one of the
first ones, and he came and went, didn't he. Richie
morng has gone. Ryan Crotty's come back. There you go.
That's one who is stuck around. Nope, no one else there, Nope,
no one there, No one there. Jack Good who was
there in twenty twenty three and they picked him for
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the twenty seventeen seasons to the year goo. But in
essence he developed and built a team over time that
was unbelievable. All right, but leave him alone and you know,
and at twenty seventeen I finally come back and way
him for the first time. You know who left the
side then? Of too many superstars. I'm Darcy Wattergrave Ange.
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Speaker 1 (43:00):
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