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Motorsport expert Eric Thompson discussing the Kiwi 1-2 at IndyCar Milwaukee.
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Some sport are rare. One to two key we finish
in Indie Cars. Scott McLaughlin has driven to his third
victory of the IndyCar season, finishing just ahead of Scott
Dixon at the Milwaukee Mile this morning. Motorsport analyst Eric
Thompson standing by the chat with us on that the
Black Ferns will shortly jet out. You're a very exciting
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end of year tour, a huge match against England at
Twickenham before they head on to Canada for WXV one
games against Ireland, England and France. Back in the side
after missing the best part of a year with a
serious knee injury is electric winger Aischa Littieinger. She's going
to join us for a chat tonight and I want
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to talk speaking of rugby bench impact in rugby with
you one of the big talking points from yesterday morning's
test in joe Burg, South Africa. Had it we did
not have it? Do We need to reimagine how we
use our bench and test matches and who is selected
on that bench. Very keen to chew this over with
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Speaker 1 (02:11):
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Speaker 2 (02:20):
Scotty McLoughlin's driven to his third victory of the indiecar season.
Start begins won again on an all Yeah, way to
go Scottie Mack even better, He and fellow key we
Scott Dixon claimed a one to two finish at the
Milwaukee Miles, Scott McLoughlin taking the check and flag by
just zer point four to five eight eight of a
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second over Dixon. Scott Dixon that is as the key
we pair stood on the top two steps of the podium.
Scotty McLoughlin's win saw him move to third in the
Indiecar Championship standings. He has four hundred and seventy five points.
That's exactly fifty behind Scott Dixon's Chip Ganassi teammate Alex
Plow on five hundred and twenty five, Team Penskes will
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Power second on four hundred and two, and then Scott
McLaughlin third four hundred and seventy five points. There is
just the one race left in the season, the Big
Machine Music City Grand Prix. Goodness me in Nashville in
a couple of weeks. Motorsport analyst Eric Thompson has with us.
Thanks for your time this evening, Eric, How significant is
this a one two ken we finish in IndyCar.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I think it's fantastic. It's not often. I mean to say,
three or four years ago, you would never ever expected
to have seen that in IndyCar because you know, Scott
Dixon was the you know, it flew that flag for
decade plus in that championship really and until in Scotty
McLoughlin moved over there and is racing and doing really well.
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And we've got the other young guy, Marcus Armstrong, so
you know, and he's doing really well. He's picked up
a podium so far this season. So mate, we're taking
over that category. We just got to get Formula one sort.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Indeed, Oh we can get to that another day. Eric,
But you're did right, You're did right. That's a that's
an entirely different conversation. This might be a tough question
to is Scott McLaughlin now a better IndyCar driver than
Scott Dixon?
Speaker 3 (04:11):
No, because if you're watching, Dixon started seventeenth, maclochlain started
on Pole, So Dixon times from on a short it's
only a mile oval, the Milwaukee miles. It's a really
tight little place. Not you know, Oval is difficult to
pass on always chaos and carnage. They're pinty. But the
thing is Dixon went from seventeenth to second, and he
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I mean, I reckon if there'd been another two or
three laps, maybe four, he would have got by him
because he posed right up to less than a second
on McLoughlin. So now you can't beat experience in that game,
especially on ovals. But the great thing about McLoughlin, he
said earlier this season, because he'd won three four times
on road courses, but he refused to call himself an
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IndyCar driver, and he publicly said that until he won
on ovals. Now he's got two Oval wins, so even
in his mind, he's an IndyCar driver now, I quite
like that.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
That's absolutely brilliant analysis is is the fact that he's
now winning on ovals a good demonstration of his improvement
as an Indy car driver. And I guess the second
part of that is, where are you seeing the improvements
in Scott Dixon's driver, Scott McLaughlin's driving, I.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Mean, well spotted on that he's just getting better and
better on ovals. I mean the thing he was fascinated
by them anyway, And the first thing you reckon, the
only time he got a bit sort of like but
Cheeks Titan was the first time he went to the
Indianapolis five hundred as a you know, they have to
do a rookie test, which means they have to get
within I think it's fifty kilometers an hour on a
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lamp and you're looking at damn close to three hundred
klmeters an hour at the Indy to get that close,
and he said, it's a matter of its strategy and
the best thing. Unlike virtually any other motorsport, they have
spotters on every single corner, so you can spend more
time concentrating on your driving and not worrying whether somebody
is above you, behind you, you know, or on the
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inside of you. And the spiders help you gate the traffic.
But it's been able to listen to somebody who's in
your ear, listen to the car, and also drive the
thing and being aware of everything around you. It's a
lot to balance, pointy, but he's just getting better and
better at it.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
There are fifty points available for a race when you
get bonus points for pole position, leading the most laps,
leading at least one lap, that sort of thing. McLoughlin's
fifty points behind in the overall standings with just the
one race to go, I guess mathematically he could still
win the championship. Couldn't he. But he'd need Alex Plow
and will Power to have serious misfortune, wouldn't he At
the last event, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Alex Pillow would basically have to do what happened unfortunately
for him and his team and chick Ganassi Racing like
to have a hybrid failure. But at least, you see,
the thing is Pillow actually just waited and waited. They
got the car back running. It's stalled again, but they
got him out there and eventually, with all the other
attrition and DNFs, he actually managed to pick up a
couple of points. So one thing you've got to say
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to Alex Plau and his team, they never gave up.
It's not you know, most people have just parted the
car on the garage and bugger it. But he just
knew even if he got two or three points that
could help. But he would have to dnf as, not
start that race or not complete one lap. Plow for
McLoughlin to have pretty much any chance, and will Power
would have to finish. I think it's McLoughlin wins it.
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Power would have to finish fourth or fifth, all right.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
So yeah, all right, so it seems unlikely, but does
it now seem if it's not to be this year, Eric,
does it seem now a matter of when not if
Scott mcglachlin eventually wins an IndyCar Championship, I would.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Comfortibly say to you, now, Pony, this time, at this
stage this year, Yes, definitely, within the next two to
three years, he'll win an IndyCar Championship. This time last
year people were saying, you know, he's got in the chance.
I wasn't absolutely convinced, purely because of ovals, which is
something you know, people from the Southern Hemassy don't really
well the rest of the world really don't really do.
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But he's shown he can win on an oval and
hold them off. So now, yep, once he's you know,
those have been tacked. So next year, the Penske's got
a good car. The Chevy engines are very good, you know,
and he's one of her powerhouse teams. So yes, yeah,
And back to Dixon.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Back to Scott Dixon. How many more years do you
perceive he has and you're still driving, Well, as you've
already outlined during our chat, how many more years you
wreck in? Scott Dixon will go around?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Well, it's funny when I was talking to him for
a preview last week about this and he sort of said,
it's almost like little bit, but like Valentino ROSSI wants
to sort of sad. When I get bored, you know,
or I end up training the field home, that's when
I'll stop.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
And he did.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Scott, he's still finishing, you know, he'll finished this championship
inside the top five. And he has in the twenty
plus years he's been in that championship, he's only finished
outside the top five. I think it's twice. So why
would you go? Why would you?
Speaker 5 (09:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Amazing, He's still likes the challenge, he's still got the drive.
And just going back to what we were chatting about earlier,
is that, you know, to come from seventeenth to finish second,
you know, that shows that somebody's still got an awful
lot of drive and passion for the sport left in him.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
And just a word on Marcus Armstrong, how do you
assess where he currently is?
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Oh, he's doing really well. He's last year when he
won the thing, he won Rookie of the Year last
year without racing on any of the ovals and the
other rookies in the pack last year all raced on
the ovals, so he missed something like six or seven
races and still won Rookie of the Year. This year
he got his first podium. Last couple of rounds, you know,
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he's finished top six and he said a couple of
a couple of fifths. It's unfortunately he got crashed into
in the last place at Milwaukee, so he got taken
out and got a DNAPT But he's you know, he's
on a fast track learning curve as well. He'll be
there or thereabouts and charging for podiums next year as well.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Exciting time to be a fan of dCas three kiwi's
involved in the one two finish in Milwaukee this morning. Eric,
thanks for joining us. Always great getting analysis from you
around the world of motorsport.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Thank you, Barney, always appreciate man.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Good on you, Eric. Eric Thompson there with his thoughts
on the one two IndyCar finish for Scott McLaughlin and
Scott Dixon. Motorsport fans join us if you'd like to, oh,
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This feels really suificant. It is it is really significant
a Kiwi one two and a motorsport event as big
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as IndyCar from your point of view, just put this
into context for us, and also Scott McLoughlin's rise in Indiecar,
his swift acclimatization to this kind of motorsport. I mean,
it's not a mass of sapross, is it. He was
so good in supercars that it's whatever he decided to
turn his hand to next. He could drive it well
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and drive it fast. And it turns out that that
is the case. Eric Thompson reckons it'll be within three
years that he wins an indiea Car championship, and Scott
Dixon still with a lot in the tank as well,
and the young up and comer Marcus Armstrong also in
this equation. Any times an IndyCar imagine, imagine a Kiwi
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one two three on an Indie Car podium, it could happen.
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Speaker 2 (11:33):
Seven seventeen. The other thing I wanted to chewo over
with you tonight, and I mentioned this at the top
of the show, is the bench impact in rugby test
matches or rugby matches in general. It was one of
the biggest talking points that came out of the first
Test in Joe Burke was the impact that South Africa
got from their bench compared to ours. If you've got
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some thoughts on this, I began to hear them. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. There's no doubt, no doubt,
the players who wore jerseys sixteen to twenty three for
South Africa had a far, far biggest say in the
game's outcome than our guys wearing those same number jerseys. Now,
this used to be our thing, didn't it. The All
Blacks used to be the team who brought players on
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to either come from behind on the scoreboard or to
extend a lead and win test matches comfortably. That used
to be us. Do we need to reimagine how we
use our bench in test rugby? South Africa have got
the bomb squad and that may have courted controversy in
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some quarters the seven to one split. It's not rugby
people are saying, but I absolutely admire their innovative thinking
and the question for continual improvement. They've taken nothing off
the table. They haven't said we no, no, we don't
do that. We don't do that. By contrast, our bench
selection seem to be fairly conservative. It's almost always the
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five to three and it's almost always a conservative selection.
And I'll explain what I mean by that. The best
example was the knockout matches in the Rugby World Cup
last year. I know that was under Ian Foster, but
the fact remains Findlay Christie was preferred to cam Royguard
off the bench. Now there's no doubt in anybody's mind
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that cam roy Guard was more likely to be a
game changer, more likely to come on and provide a spark,
and yet Finlay Christie was chosen for presumably his better
defensive capability. Now that assumes that we're going to be
ahead when you bring your subs on. It also feels
as though when we name our bench we do it
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with the caveat that it's there to cover for possible injuries,
especially in the backs. The conversation always seems to be, Okay,
who's going to cover X Y Z if he gets injured?
And that's sensible, obviously and necessary. But I just wonder
if the first point of reference should be how can
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this guy change the game for us, because yes, injuries happen,
but I just feel like the first reason for picking
somebody in one of those bench spots, one of those
impact spots, should be can he change the game for us?
And we, also, speaking of change, need to change the
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narrative around starting fifteen and those who don't start. There's
still a greater status around starting a Test match as
opposed to coming off the bench. The players themselves will
even tell you that that they'd much rather start. But
South Africa are now naming better players in their reserves.
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Look at Malcolm Marx, he's the best hooker in that side,
but he's wearing number sixteen. He's coming off the bench.
That's his best use. We need to change our mindset
on this. Boden Barrett's best Test of the year was
the second Test against England at Eden Park. He came
on with half an hour ago and basically won the
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game for US. Rugby is, without a doubt now a
twenty three man game, and number sixteen is just as
important as number two. Number twenty one is just as
important as number nine. And you know what, I reckon
the most important jersey to be wearing in a test
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match could well be number twenty three, the guy who
comes on and changes the game. The game's moving, the
game's evolving. We need to as well.
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Speaker 2 (16:01):
Seven twenty five on News TALKSB talking the All Blacks
bench and the best use of Jersey. He's sixteen through
twenty three.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
Hello Ien, Hello Jason.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Yeah, I thought there was something wrong with the All
Black spence too, And and you know, somebody asked us Raiser,
didn't they Is there a problem in the last twenty
minutes or the latter part of the game, and they
clearly is. And I think they're using the wrong sort
of people. They may not have, they may not have
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the cattle, so to speak, to do what they want
to do. But if you think back to remember when
Boden came on against England and what a huge difference
that made.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah, I and that's why I wonder whether we just
need to sort of change the narrative around those bench players.
Like I said before, and it feels as if you're
not starting, you, you know, you lose some of the
glamour around you know, your part in the game. But
Boden Barrett was the single most important player in that
game and he only played half an hour.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Yeah, but yeah, I know that's and that's what they
should be doing. So we're putting these highly experienced guys
on for the first part of the game and then
we're taking them off because they're buggers. And we're bringing
on youth who who've got no experience at that level
and expect them to make a difference. They can't make
a difference. We should be bringing to have the energetic
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people on first. And see they're bringing the likes of
Quaker Smith and Malcolm Marx. They're coming on late and
they're good for twenty minutes.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yeah, I've land on a great point about the inexperience
as well. Ian because you look at the bench that
we used yesterday in Johannesburg. Anton lnet Brown's been around
for a while and so has offered talking the Farsi.
But the others are safer. One more only eleven test matches, Fletch,
and you're less than twenty. Sam Dowry, sum a Penny, Female, Corties, Lotimar,
they were all sort of three or four test matches
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and mark delayers in the teens. So yeah, and you
compare that to Malcolm Marx as you say, all the
experience here, and yes, maybe it's because he's older. He
doesn't have eighty minutes in his legs, not that it
need to these days, but yeah, I wonder whether we
just need to need to say actually coming off the
bench and more, what about this, what about tupor Viti
coming off the bench rather than Sam Dowry. You bring
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vity on, He's going to add a bit more in
the last twenty. Get Dowry out there, you know, young
buck him, get him going for sixty minutes, then bring
him off exactly.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
I think bad Luck one is a classic example, and
I mean really some are like DJ Pire and do
you really want do you really need to take him off?
I mean, you know, the forward. Sure some of them
would be absolutely stuffed that. I think Pirano would be
good for eighty minutes, wouldn't he?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Ian? You're reading my mind. I am absolutely on the
same page with you on this. I still don't understand
why the half back and the hooker they seem to
be the two. Don't they always have to come off?
What if you're playing well, what if you're controlling the game?
Why why did you stay on for the eighty Well?
Speaker 4 (19:06):
I think it may be coming from like Super Rugby,
because what they've been doing in Super Rugby that they're
trying to I think they're bringing people on to make
sure they get exposure. So if somebody gets injured, the
guy who you bring on as a replacement is at
least he's had some game time. But that test, well,
surely the job is to you got to win the game.
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You can't be worrying about cycling players or the rubbish.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
I think they because they I think they look at
their laptops, don't they. And you know, because all the
players where those GPS monitors in the back of their
collars now and so they can there's live information. He's around,
he's run nine k or whatever. It might be, but
it just seems so premeditated sometimes after you know, after
sixty five minutes the halfback comes off and the other
guy comes on, or whatever it might be. It's so
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rare now for almost the entire reserve bench not to
get used. It's very rare now for all light of
them not to get on.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Yeah, well, you're right, we're exactly on the same page.
And I think that they all come running on, and
you think, are they running on? This is the time
we bring them on?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
But why exactly?
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Ian?
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Oh, good to know that we're on the same page, mate,
excellent to chatty. Let's see what happens in Cape down
in terms of the makeup of the bench, who he
puts there and whether he changes his mind set. Obviu,
you're written down who I reckon sho'll be on the bench.
We'll get to that in just a sec. Thanks then,
great to get your call.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
Hi, Jeff, hellay, how are you good?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Thank you?
Speaker 6 (20:31):
Now listen, before the Orblets take the field, they do
a hell of a lot of warmer pay yep. But
the poor old guy that comes on twenty minutes to go,
he's come straight off the seat. He said, bugger all warmer,
and they have to change that for starters because he's
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coming on cold. You look at Talia the way he
played last night. As soon as he got the ball,
he passed it, and that's not like the way he plays.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, it's a good point, Jeff. I think they sometimes
have like an exercise bike on the sideline and they
do sort of warm ups with tackle pads and things
like that, but certainly nothing like the full forty minutes
that the starting fifteen get, you know, before the start
of the game.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
You're right, yeah, well, you know, my son's involved in boxing.
When they box, they box on their second wind. They
don't box on their first wind. They get rid of
that in the warm up. Now you can get on
a bike and do bits and pieces, but it doesn't
break them into that second wind. And of course you
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don't know exactly when you're going.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
On, so yeah, yeah, yeah. The other thing is, Jeff,
is you know, because there's all there's always this perception
you go on and you've got fresh legs, so you
should be you know, you should be able to make
an impact straight away. I think the problem is it takes,
as you've said, about five or six minutes for them
to get up to speed with the game. Often you
see the reserves come on and after the first couple
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of phases of play that you know they're blowing, you know,
so it actually takes a little while them to get
it to the pace of the game.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
And so that that comes, you know, like you should
have you experienced guys like par and Ayre shouldn't start.
He should come on because he's the one that knows
how it works. Whereas rod Ruandamack comes on, he's only
been there five minutes. How do you expect him to
make an easy a thinct on the game?
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yep, good points, Jeff, good points. And I you know, I,
like I said, I don't, I understand why. I understand why.
And I'm almost contradicting myself because rugby is a twenty
three man game. But you start, you must also, I
reckon be able to look at a game and read
it for what it is in terms of the way
it's playing out and saying TJ is having a great game.
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Leave him out there. Cody Taylor was one of our
best players yesterday. Leave him out there. These guys can
all play eighty minutes. Paul says, you're arguing against your
own point, know I know how involve it. That's the
problem is, I'm almost I'm almost arguing against my own
points saying we need to have impact players, but we
should leave guys on. I think both can be right.
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I hope they. I hope both can be right, Paul.
Otherwise them looking like a bit of a goose, aren't I?
But yeah, I think the first point was who you
name on the bench? Who are the players who are
likely to provide impact for you during the game. The
other one is who do you leave on and who
do you take off? And it seems to me that
front rowers, all three of them, and half back are
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the ones who almost always come off. There's almost always
a complete change in the front row. You always get sixteen,
seventeen and eighteen there at the end of the game,
and you always have number twenty one on. Someone's made
a point here, the worst, the worst decision, the most
insane move in all Blacks history, subbing Aaron Smith off
with ten minutes to play in the Rugby World Cup final.
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I totally agree. I totally agree. Margaret's made the point.
The French don't sub DuPont very often. Why would you
have the best player in the world off? Makes zero sense,
Marty high.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
Good a pony? How things good?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Mardy? How are you mate?
Speaker 8 (24:17):
Good?
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Good?
Speaker 7 (24:18):
Hey listen, no mate, it's just had a question the
other night about the teams emptied their bench and they
get injuries. Yeah, what are the rules around bringing players
back on? Now we understand the front row and the
rules around there, but what about other players?
Speaker 5 (24:35):
How does that work?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, you can just bring you can just bring them
back on if they've been subbed off, you can bring
them back on. You can always make it that you
have fifteen on.
Speaker 7 (24:43):
So I mean, shouldn't there be some sort of deterrent
of being able to dump your whole bench into the
game that was sort of thirty minutes to go, Because
that seems just stupid to be able to then just
bring players back on if you've done your whole bench,
doesn't it?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah, it's only in case of injury though, Marty. It's
not like you could have a rolling sub. But yeah,
I do understand what you mean. Can at the football,
for example, you're allowed five subs, and if you use
all five up and then you get an injury, you
can't You can't bring a guy you can't bring on
a sixth So yeah, you're right. I mean, yeah, maybe
maybe you could say okay, yeah you can name eate,
but you can only use four.
Speaker 7 (25:18):
Of them, yeah or some or basically you choose and
you get down to the last maybe I don't know,
five minutes and roll the dice and say, okay, well,
hopefully we don't get any injuries. But as you can
bring on basically a whole a whole bench at half
time and still have the still have the protection of
being able to bring those other players back if you
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need to. That seems things a bit silly to me.
But anyway, I.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Reckon someone will. I reckon someone will do that. Mary
at some point, I reckon you'll see that at a
half time in a game, that someone will. Yeah, like
rest of the rest was probably he'll bring on five
guys at half time.
Speaker 7 (25:53):
He's pretty close, isn't he, And well they were only
there are only ten minutes in, we're staying to the
second half, and he basically brought on five players. So yeah, anyway,
I think it's interesting, but I think it's something that
could changing the game myself.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, good man, money, I look, I can't find myself disagreeing, mate.
I mean again I said before, it's a twenty three
man game and that's the rules as they are at
the moment. But yeah, what a rule tweet change things.
I think the other part of this is a lot
of people think you're just giving away caps. You know,
a guy comes on with was the Stephen Petifetta and
twenty twenty two came on for the last minute against
Ireland in one of the games. That was his test.
(26:28):
Aboot your test a boo was a minute. I don't know,
just takes away the gloss a little bit, doesn't it
of being an All Black? Thanks for holding Dan?
Speaker 9 (26:35):
How are you good day party? Here's it going Dan?
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Good? Thanks?
Speaker 9 (26:41):
Yeah, Pony, I've just got two things that I want
to speak about that I believe lost the All Blacks
the game. Number one is you said that from the
very start that New Zealand used to be South Africa.
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Once New Zealand's bench was just phenomenal. They used to
come on and win the game or extend the lead.
And I think it comes down to two things. It
comes down to depths and leadership. It really does. I
mean from can you remember when they never took the
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penalty penalty kick in the sixty third minute they went
with the corner and that they never scored from that,
And I think that comes down to leadership at the
end of the day. I mean, you would never see
Richie mccare turn down a three pointer like that against
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the World champions. And depths well, I don't think New
Zealand had got the depths that they used to have
back then in Piloney when you know how New Zealand
used to come on and win the game or extend
the lead off the bench. New Zealand we haven't built
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debts for the last well ever since Fozzy took over.
Really we haven't had any depth at all in our
bench whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
I think we have. I think we have Dan. I
think there are a lot of good players. There are
a lot of good players. I think we have built depth.
There are certain areas we don't, but I think there's depth,
some good depth and a lot of a lot of areas.
Half back at the moment, for example, you look at
you know, got t J. Perinada and Cortesratima, cam royguard
to come back. No, I hope them playing well. Finlay Christie.
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There are thereabout so there's five half back straight away.
But I think your point does stand in terms of
the type of players that that we don't necessarily have
in those impact roles. Again, we're probably not going to
solve it tonight, but it's been a very interesting discussion. Dan,
Thanks for calling, mate, Always appreciate your calls. Twenty two
and a half away from eight. Got to get to
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the Black Ferns because they're shortly jetting out for a
very exciting end of year too. Are They're going to
play England at Twickenham before heading on to Canada for
WXV WXV won That is, they'll play Ireland, England and
France and back in the site after missing the second
half of last year with a serious knee injury. Is
electric winger Asha Inger commands on.
Speaker 10 (29:20):
The wrap around Holmes a space here, remember English Shore?
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Why are you so headed away?
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Head over?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
What a strike coming off the bench? Asia Litty Inger
is with us. Your last test for New Zealand was
that game the twenty two World Cup Final where you
came off the bench early in the game, got a
couple of tries in one of the stars of the tournament.
How much are you looking forward to getting back out
there with the Black Ferns after missing the last year
with a knee injury.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
Oh definitely. It's been a whole year since I've been
out of rugby and I feel like a newb all
over again learning how to play rugby. But I'm super excited.
What a tour to come back as well, and also
what a team to play against? Is my return game?
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Can you tell us about the last twelve months and
first of all, how did the knee injury happened? And
what have the last twelve months been like for you?
Speaker 5 (30:12):
So it was on our tool year. I think it
was our first Lawyer O'Riley game or Packed four actually,
and it was one of our trainings. I had just
returned back from being sacked and my first full training back.
My nare gave way and luckily it was not in contact.
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The only thing that was damaged was just my aco,
so I was lucky in regard to it has been fun.
I've enjoyed it so much. I've got to spend more
time with family and being more present at home, and
I guess just a lot of self reflecting. I guess
being high from the World Cup and then staying on
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that kind of find a motivation to come back from that.
It has been yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Crazy, So, I mean you're putting a very positive spin
on it, But were there some challenging times because it's
a long rehab, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
Yes, definitely. It was my first real injury back. Oh sorry,
it was my first real injury, so I've never been
injured and then to be out for twelve months from
the game that you love and or you know how
to do well clearly as my job, it was pretty hard.
I think in the beginning of freshly in my injury,
(31:37):
there were a lot of I guess stuffed out in
regards to will I ever play again or will I
ever be able to play at the level that I can.
I mean, I felt like I was at the peak
of my rugya at the time, and to come away
with the injury was pretty scary, and I guess there
(31:59):
were a lot of tears during my rehab and times
where I fat alone. Even though I did have people
great around me.
Speaker 10 (32:07):
I know.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
They don't understand unless they actually go through it. So
there were a lot of tough times, especially mentally.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
But yeah, what keeps you going in the in the
darkest times, I guess I had to find the love
for the sport again, and I found a whole new appreciation.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
I want to say I never even wanted to rehab again.
Rehabit actually harder than normal training. So anything I can
do to not be in rehab club again, I would
definitely do it. But I guess rugby wise, it was
during club season when I did my knee, and I
guess I got to give back to my club off
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the field, and that was where I found the whole
appreciation and love for rugby again. I was able to
serve my club team off the field and share my knowledge,
and yeah, I was fortunate to come back on the
second round club Ruggy.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
I saw a speech you did where you talked about
not being defined solely by being a rugby player. Is
that something that was strengthened during your time off the field.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Yeah, I think I yes, most definitely. I think what
had happened was I mentioned I've never been injured, and
so when I did get it injured, I think I
kind of took that for granted. And I know in
the beginning of when I was freshly injured, I saw
(33:46):
I had thoughts like I was nothing without rugby, and
so I had to learn what life was like without rugby,
and yeah, rehab definitely helped.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Was that cool? So when you started running again and
in particular changing direction again, was there any was there
any trepidation? Did you worry that it might just buckle
under you again? H?
Speaker 5 (34:09):
No, I was teeky actually, So I had been going
to club pre season and I wasn't allowed to be
doing as much running as I was, but I was
pushing myself and I guess I'm too competitive, so I
can't hold back. And free season we had a lot
(34:29):
of conditioning games and I'm all for it, like especially
when we play against the boys.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
So, yeah, it's cool.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
So you've actually I was because I was wondering how
much recent rugby you've actually had going into these big
test matches. So you feel like you're in pretty good
shape in terms of match fitness, if you know what
I mean.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
Yeah, I haven't fully been tested yet, but I have
got an enough fronts by under my bout to be returning.
I feel like I met my first i've been. I
met the lightest I've been since returning, And yeah, I
was able to play club games, five games and then
(35:10):
the three weeks in camp. They gave me enough. I
guess we played some of the boys, so there was
enough game time under my brow to return.
Speaker 9 (35:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Good to hear your try scoring records amazing thirteen tries
and twenty one test but prolific for Wellington and for Oriental?
Wrong at time? Have you got eight and one game
once or something? Stupid? How big a part of how
you judge your own game is try scoring?
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (35:37):
I always say their team tries. I can't. I can't
score any of those tries of everyone else isn't doing
their work, so they make it easy for me. I
basically just have to put the ball down on the
try line.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
I think we all know that's not true. But it's
a very nice way of deflecting, deflecting away from what
you can do yourself.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
Hayen, there was a point, There was a point where
my granddad mised to beat me ten dollars the tries.
So I think maybe there has some players to that
and to the scoring.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
So man, you would have sent him broke the poor guy.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
Yeah, so we stopped doing that.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
I think that's probably wise on his But are you
just to finish? How exciting? How exciting is the prospect
of playing England at what is likely to be a
sold out stadium at Twickenham.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
Yeah, it's very exciting and what a game to actually
return back to and to play in a stadium like
talking them. That's for a lot of us. It'll be
our first time mine as well, and I guess every
time we faced England it's always a good game and
I know I always take it personally, and like the
(36:48):
last time I played international rugby was against England, so
to play them on my first one returning back is
very exciting and also yeah, I'm excited for it.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
I bet I think we're all excited to have you back.
Thanks so much for taking the time for a chant.
All the best for a very exciting back end of
the year. Hope. I hope it goes really really well
for you over there. Thank you so much. No, thank you,
Ash asher LETTI e inger there returning to the Black Ferns,
looking forward to seeing how they go against England and
then on towards w XV one fourteen away from eight
(37:20):
when we come back. It's Piney's Power Rankings Ladies Power
Rankings Monday night time for Piney's Power Rankings, rating the
best and the worst of the sporting weekend. Let's get
into it. Jen Auckland Rugby. What a season they're having,
(37:40):
or rather not having.
Speaker 11 (37:42):
There's the siren, where's it gonna go? Josh Morby screaming
at him, saying, can you give it to me? I'm
almost on the dead ball line and that's where I've
kicked it. I've kicked it over the sideline and it's
all over in Hamilton? Why Cato thirty.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Nine twenty one played for lost four for Auckland nine
Max for Staffing and Red Ball are disappointing outing at
Monza Max for Staffing, the championship leader Red Bulls didn't
have the pace today. He can only finish sixth. Are
they seeing both the Drivers and Constructors' Championships slipping away?
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Eat?
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Alexi Poppron claiming the scalp of Novak Djokovic at the
US Tennis Open. Another huge, huge shops here in New York.
Alexi Poppery interview territory at the Majors he would have
been higher, but he lost Aday so failing to kick
on seven. Speaking of kicking, Earling Harland seven goals already
(38:38):
in three Premier League matches this season, this for his
hat trick.
Speaker 11 (38:44):
Irresistible, irrepressible and irrefutably one of the best there has
ever been.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
That's for real. He's got seventy goals in sixty nine
Premier League appearances. Now, how many mighty for the shop
with six Joe Roots smashes it upside before. What a moment,
What an achievement.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Thirty four hundreds for Joe Root, top of the part
or England.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
How on earth does he make batching.
Speaker 9 (39:14):
Look so easy?
Speaker 2 (39:14):
He had two more Test centuries for Joe Route thirty
four hours you heard there in test match is the
most ever for England, sixth equal on the all time
list and the most by any player still playing at
the moment. Five at the top half. The All Blacks
are there, run down on the end by the spring box.
Spring Box from.
Speaker 9 (39:32):
Ten points down, come back and beat the odd Blacks.
Speaker 10 (39:36):
TENNY one twenty seven had Alice Park and Johannesburg.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Yeah, but certainly not helped by the lack of intervention
by the TMO. Right, say a look at the.
Speaker 11 (39:46):
Grounding here, Just make sure he's got it down.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
The deadness comes out comes out. Oh he lost that
he lost? It doesn't look as they're going to have
another look at it. Madness four four mascots and talk
back caller Peter on Saturday, regaling us with stories of
his career as an all blacks mascot in South Africa.
Speaker 8 (40:09):
I had had the head on and I had a
a sort of a tea a brownish t shirt, you know,
with an all black and I did this. I did
the samon in UK in seventy two, seventy three. Oh,
I've had a great, a great career.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Mascots bringing back I say, three are Paralympians. A bronze
It's call Mario of New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (40:36):
She'll take a bronze medal hearing hers at the Paralympic Games.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
And two silver's Hannah Taylor red art fast but couldn't
sustain that case. Taylor who will take silver for New Zealand,
But she.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Eating takes it.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
She retains her title. Agerson picks up the second position silver,
hopefully more to calm but a good start to our
Paralympic campaign. Two Sean Johnson Johnsonson call Outside runs his
own script written produced directed by Seawan Johnson to movie
(41:17):
He's Last. Jame winsor for the Warriors. Terrific to see
Sean Johnson ending his rugby league days as a Warrior's hero,
the Great Scott's McLaughlin and Dixon, a Kiwi Quanella in Milwaukee.
He loves the history of monor sports.
Speaker 8 (41:35):
There's not much more historical than the Milwaukee Mile in
the Indie cor return stuff with.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Ark than his un again on it. Yeah, wonderful stuff.
The Kiwi's in Milwaukee, top of the Pops and Piney's
power rankings this evening.
Speaker 10 (41:50):
Any feedback, Yeah, I just got off the phone with
Joe Roots and Earling Land, who are wondering what can
they do? Look at what the Joe Root at breaking
a long standing English cricket batting record. And you put
the all Blacks who who don't beat South Africa and
cmos who can't can't jump in and say there was
a blatant knock on ahead of.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Joe Rouse, ahead of Earling Hahn's interesting cauls binding. Yea,
if we're the BBC, maybe they would have been higher.
Those are Piney's power reckings for Tonight Back next Monday,
coming up three to eight. That's us for sports talk
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(42:34):
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of the first Monday in September. Huge thanks to any
McDonald for producing the show as always manning the phones.
Thanks to you for listening in or contributing if that's
what you chose to do. I'll got a weekend off,
so I'm not back for a week. I'll be back
next Monday. That'll please a heck of a lot of
(42:56):
our Texters, I can tell you that for nothing. Enjoy
your week. See you Monday, Life and Out.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
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Some sport are rare. One to two key we finish
in Indie Cars. Scott McLaughlin has driven to his third
victory of the IndyCar season, finishing just ahead of Scott
Dixon at the Milwaukee Mile this morning. Motorsport analyst Eric
Thompson standing by the chat with us on that the
Black Ferns will shortly jet out. You're a very exciting
(01:07):
end of year tour, a huge match against England at
Twickenham before they head on to Canada for WXV one
games against Ireland, England and France. Back in the side
after missing the best part of a year with a
serious knee injury is electric winger Aischa Littieinger. She's going
to join us for a chat tonight and I want
(01:28):
to talk speaking of rugby bench impact in rugby with
you one of the big talking points from yesterday morning's
test in joe Burg, South Africa. Had it we did
not have it? Do We need to reimagine how we
use our bench and test matches and who is selected
on that bench. Very keen to chew this over with
you tonight and Monday night. Of course, Piney's Power rankings
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Speaker 1 (02:11):
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Speaker 2 (02:20):
Scotty McLoughlin's driven to his third victory of the indiecar season.
Start begins won again on an all Yeah, way to
go Scottie Mack even better, He and fellow key we
Scott Dixon claimed a one to two finish at the
Milwaukee Miles, Scott McLoughlin taking the check and flag by
just zer point four to five eight eight of a
(02:42):
second over Dixon. Scott Dixon that is as the key
we pair stood on the top two steps of the podium.
Scotty McLoughlin's win saw him move to third in the
Indiecar Championship standings. He has four hundred and seventy five points.
That's exactly fifty behind Scott Dixon's Chip Ganassi teammate Alex
Plow on five hundred and twenty five, Team Penskes will
(03:04):
Power second on four hundred and two, and then Scott
McLaughlin third four hundred and seventy five points. There is
just the one race left in the season, the Big
Machine Music City Grand Prix. Goodness me in Nashville in
a couple of weeks. Motorsport analyst Eric Thompson has with us.
Thanks for your time this evening, Eric, How significant is
this a one two ken we finish in IndyCar.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I think it's fantastic. It's not often. I mean to say,
three or four years ago, you would never ever expected
to have seen that in IndyCar because you know, Scott
Dixon was the you know, it flew that flag for
decade plus in that championship really and until in Scotty
McLoughlin moved over there and is racing and doing really well.
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And we've got the other young guy, Marcus Armstrong, so
you know, and he's doing really well. He's picked up
a podium so far this season. So mate, we're taking
over that category. We just got to get Formula one sort.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Indeed, Oh we can get to that another day. Eric,
But you're did right, You're did right. That's a that's
an entirely different conversation. This might be a tough question
to is Scott McLaughlin now a better IndyCar driver than
Scott Dixon?
Speaker 3 (04:11):
No, because if you're watching, Dixon started seventeenth, maclochlain started
on Pole, So Dixon times from on a short it's
only a mile oval, the Milwaukee miles. It's a really
tight little place. Not you know, Oval is difficult to
pass on always chaos and carnage. They're pinty. But the
thing is Dixon went from seventeenth to second, and he
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I mean, I reckon if there'd been another two or
three laps, maybe four, he would have got by him
because he posed right up to less than a second
on McLoughlin. So now you can't beat experience in that game,
especially on ovals. But the great thing about McLoughlin, he
said earlier this season, because he'd won three four times
on road courses, but he refused to call himself an
(04:53):
IndyCar driver, and he publicly said that until he won
on ovals. Now he's got two Oval wins, so even
in his mind, he's an IndyCar driver now, I quite
like that.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
That's absolutely brilliant analysis is is the fact that he's
now winning on ovals a good demonstration of his improvement
as an Indy car driver. And I guess the second
part of that is, where are you seeing the improvements
in Scott Dixon's driver, Scott McLaughlin's driving, I.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Mean, well spotted on that he's just getting better and
better on ovals. I mean the thing he was fascinated
by them anyway, And the first thing you reckon, the
only time he got a bit sort of like but
Cheeks Titan was the first time he went to the
Indianapolis five hundred as a you know, they have to
do a rookie test, which means they have to get
within I think it's fifty kilometers an hour on a
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lamp and you're looking at damn close to three hundred
klmeters an hour at the Indy to get that close,
and he said, it's a matter of its strategy and
the best thing. Unlike virtually any other motorsport, they have
spotters on every single corner, so you can spend more
time concentrating on your driving and not worrying whether somebody
is above you, behind you, you know, or on the
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inside of you. And the spiders help you gate the traffic.
But it's been able to listen to somebody who's in
your ear, listen to the car, and also drive the
thing and being aware of everything around you. It's a
lot to balance, pointy, but he's just getting better and
better at it.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
There are fifty points available for a race when you
get bonus points for pole position, leading the most laps,
leading at least one lap, that sort of thing. McLoughlin's
fifty points behind in the overall standings with just the
one race to go, I guess mathematically he could still
win the championship. Couldn't he. But he'd need Alex Plow
and will Power to have serious misfortune, wouldn't he At
the last event, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Alex Pillow would basically have to do what happened unfortunately
for him and his team and chick Ganassi Racing like
to have a hybrid failure. But at least, you see,
the thing is Pillow actually just waited and waited. They
got the car back running. It's stalled again, but they
got him out there and eventually, with all the other
attrition and DNFs, he actually managed to pick up a
couple of points. So one thing you've got to say
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to Alex Plau and his team, they never gave up.
It's not you know, most people have just parted the
car on the garage and bugger it. But he just
knew even if he got two or three points that
could help. But he would have to dnf as, not
start that race or not complete one lap. Plow for
McLoughlin to have pretty much any chance, and will Power
would have to finish. I think it's McLoughlin wins it.
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Power would have to finish fourth or fifth, all right.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
So yeah, all right, so it seems unlikely, but does
it now seem if it's not to be this year, Eric,
does it seem now a matter of when not if
Scott mcglachlin eventually wins an IndyCar Championship, I would.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Comfortibly say to you, now, Pony, this time, at this
stage this year, Yes, definitely, within the next two to
three years, he'll win an IndyCar Championship. This time last
year people were saying, you know, he's got in the chance.
I wasn't absolutely convinced, purely because of ovals, which is
something you know, people from the Southern Hemassy don't really
well the rest of the world really don't really do.
(08:01):
But he's shown he can win on an oval and
hold them off. So now, yep, once he's you know,
those have been tacked. So next year, the Penske's got
a good car. The Chevy engines are very good, you know,
and he's one of her powerhouse teams. So yes, yeah,
And back to Dixon.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Back to Scott Dixon. How many more years do you
perceive he has and you're still driving, Well, as you've
already outlined during our chat, how many more years you
wreck in? Scott Dixon will go around?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Well, it's funny when I was talking to him for
a preview last week about this and he sort of said,
it's almost like little bit, but like Valentino ROSSI wants
to sort of sad. When I get bored, you know,
or I end up training the field home, that's when
I'll stop.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
And he did.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Scott, he's still finishing, you know, he'll finished this championship
inside the top five. And he has in the twenty
plus years he's been in that championship, he's only finished
outside the top five. I think it's twice. So why
would you go? Why would you?
Speaker 5 (09:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Amazing, He's still likes the challenge, he's still got the drive.
And just going back to what we were chatting about earlier,
is that, you know, to come from seventeenth to finish second,
you know, that shows that somebody's still got an awful
lot of drive and passion for the sport left in him.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
And just a word on Marcus Armstrong, how do you
assess where he currently is?
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Oh, he's doing really well. He's last year when he
won the thing, he won Rookie of the Year last
year without racing on any of the ovals and the
other rookies in the pack last year all raced on
the ovals, so he missed something like six or seven
races and still won Rookie of the Year. This year
he got his first podium. Last couple of rounds, you know,
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he's finished top six and he said a couple of
a couple of fifths. It's unfortunately he got crashed into
in the last place at Milwaukee, so he got taken
out and got a DNAPT But he's you know, he's
on a fast track learning curve as well. He'll be
there or thereabouts and charging for podiums next year as well.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Exciting time to be a fan of dCas three kiwi's
involved in the one two finish in Milwaukee this morning. Eric,
thanks for joining us. Always great getting analysis from you
around the world of motorsport.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Thank you, Barney, always appreciate man.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Good on you, Eric. Eric Thompson there with his thoughts
on the one two IndyCar finish for Scott McLaughlin and
Scott Dixon. Motorsport fans join us if you'd like to, oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten, eight years our number nine
two nine two, If you'd prefer to send us a text.
This feels really suificant. It is it is really significant
a Kiwi one two and a motorsport event as big
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as IndyCar from your point of view, just put this
into context for us, and also Scott McLoughlin's rise in Indiecar,
his swift acclimatization to this kind of motorsport. I mean,
it's not a mass of sapross, is it. He was
so good in supercars that it's whatever he decided to
turn his hand to next. He could drive it well
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and drive it fast. And it turns out that that
is the case. Eric Thompson reckons it'll be within three
years that he wins an indiea Car championship, and Scott
Dixon still with a lot in the tank as well,
and the young up and comer Marcus Armstrong also in
this equation. Any times an IndyCar imagine, imagine a Kiwi
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one two three on an Indie Car podium, it could happen.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
The right call is your call on oh eight hundred
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Speaker 2 (11:33):
Seven seventeen. The other thing I wanted to chewo over
with you tonight, and I mentioned this at the top
of the show, is the bench impact in rugby test
matches or rugby matches in general. It was one of
the biggest talking points that came out of the first
Test in Joe Burke was the impact that South Africa
got from their bench compared to ours. If you've got
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some thoughts on this, I began to hear them. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. There's no doubt, no doubt,
the players who wore jerseys sixteen to twenty three for
South Africa had a far, far biggest say in the
game's outcome than our guys wearing those same number jerseys. Now,
this used to be our thing, didn't it. The All
Blacks used to be the team who brought players on
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to either come from behind on the scoreboard or to
extend a lead and win test matches comfortably. That used
to be us. Do we need to reimagine how we
use our bench in test rugby? South Africa have got
the bomb squad and that may have courted controversy in
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some quarters the seven to one split. It's not rugby
people are saying, but I absolutely admire their innovative thinking
and the question for continual improvement. They've taken nothing off
the table. They haven't said we no, no, we don't
do that. We don't do that. By contrast, our bench
selection seem to be fairly conservative. It's almost always the
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five to three and it's almost always a conservative selection.
And I'll explain what I mean by that. The best
example was the knockout matches in the Rugby World Cup
last year. I know that was under Ian Foster, but
the fact remains Findlay Christie was preferred to cam Royguard
off the bench. Now there's no doubt in anybody's mind
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that cam roy Guard was more likely to be a
game changer, more likely to come on and provide a spark,
and yet Finlay Christie was chosen for presumably his better
defensive capability. Now that assumes that we're going to be
ahead when you bring your subs on. It also feels
as though when we name our bench we do it
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with the caveat that it's there to cover for possible injuries,
especially in the backs. The conversation always seems to be, Okay,
who's going to cover X Y Z if he gets injured?
And that's sensible, obviously and necessary. But I just wonder
if the first point of reference should be how can
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this guy change the game for us, because yes, injuries happen,
but I just feel like the first reason for picking
somebody in one of those bench spots, one of those
impact spots, should be can he change the game for us?
And we, also, speaking of change, need to change the
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narrative around starting fifteen and those who don't start. There's
still a greater status around starting a Test match as
opposed to coming off the bench. The players themselves will
even tell you that that they'd much rather start. But
South Africa are now naming better players in their reserves.
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Look at Malcolm Marx, he's the best hooker in that side,
but he's wearing number sixteen. He's coming off the bench.
That's his best use. We need to change our mindset
on this. Boden Barrett's best Test of the year was
the second Test against England at Eden Park. He came
on with half an hour ago and basically won the
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game for US. Rugby is, without a doubt now a
twenty three man game, and number sixteen is just as
important as number two. Number twenty one is just as
important as number nine. And you know what, I reckon
the most important jersey to be wearing in a test
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match could well be number twenty three, the guy who
comes on and changes the game. The game's moving, the
game's evolving. We need to as well.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
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Speaker 2 (16:01):
Seven twenty five on News TALKSB talking the All Blacks
bench and the best use of Jersey. He's sixteen through
twenty three.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
Hello Ien, Hello Jason.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Yeah, I thought there was something wrong with the All
Black spence too, And and you know, somebody asked us Raiser,
didn't they Is there a problem in the last twenty
minutes or the latter part of the game, and they
clearly is. And I think they're using the wrong sort
of people. They may not have, they may not have
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the cattle, so to speak, to do what they want
to do. But if you think back to remember when
Boden came on against England and what a huge difference
that made.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah, I and that's why I wonder whether we just
need to sort of change the narrative around those bench players.
Like I said before, and it feels as if you're
not starting, you, you know, you lose some of the
glamour around you know, your part in the game. But
Boden Barrett was the single most important player in that
game and he only played half an hour.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Yeah, but yeah, I know that's and that's what they
should be doing. So we're putting these highly experienced guys
on for the first part of the game and then
we're taking them off because they're buggers. And we're bringing
on youth who who've got no experience at that level
and expect them to make a difference. They can't make
a difference. We should be bringing to have the energetic
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people on first. And see they're bringing the likes of
Quaker Smith and Malcolm Marx. They're coming on late and
they're good for twenty minutes.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yeah, I've land on a great point about the inexperience
as well. Ian because you look at the bench that
we used yesterday in Johannesburg. Anton lnet Brown's been around
for a while and so has offered talking the Farsi.
But the others are safer. One more only eleven test matches, Fletch,
and you're less than twenty. Sam Dowry, sum a Penny, Female, Corties, Lotimar,
they were all sort of three or four test matches
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and mark delayers in the teens. So yeah, and you
compare that to Malcolm Marx as you say, all the
experience here, and yes, maybe it's because he's older. He
doesn't have eighty minutes in his legs, not that it
need to these days, but yeah, I wonder whether we
just need to need to say actually coming off the
bench and more, what about this, what about tupor Viti
coming off the bench rather than Sam Dowry. You bring
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vity on, He's going to add a bit more in
the last twenty. Get Dowry out there, you know, young
buck him, get him going for sixty minutes, then bring
him off exactly.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
I think bad Luck one is a classic example, and
I mean really some are like DJ Pire and do
you really want do you really need to take him off?
I mean, you know, the forward. Sure some of them
would be absolutely stuffed that. I think Pirano would be
good for eighty minutes, wouldn't he?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Ian? You're reading my mind. I am absolutely on the
same page with you on this. I still don't understand
why the half back and the hooker they seem to
be the two. Don't they always have to come off?
What if you're playing well, what if you're controlling the game?
Why why did you stay on for the eighty Well?
Speaker 4 (19:06):
I think it may be coming from like Super Rugby,
because what they've been doing in Super Rugby that they're
trying to I think they're bringing people on to make
sure they get exposure. So if somebody gets injured, the
guy who you bring on as a replacement is at
least he's had some game time. But that test, well,
surely the job is to you got to win the game.
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You can't be worrying about cycling players or the rubbish.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
I think they because they I think they look at
their laptops, don't they. And you know, because all the
players where those GPS monitors in the back of their
collars now and so they can there's live information. He's around,
he's run nine k or whatever. It might be, but
it just seems so premeditated sometimes after you know, after
sixty five minutes the halfback comes off and the other
guy comes on, or whatever it might be. It's so
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rare now for almost the entire reserve bench not to
get used. It's very rare now for all light of
them not to get on.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Yeah, well, you're right, we're exactly on the same page.
And I think that they all come running on, and
you think, are they running on? This is the time
we bring them on?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
But why exactly?
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Ian?
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Oh, good to know that we're on the same page, mate,
excellent to chatty. Let's see what happens in Cape down
in terms of the makeup of the bench, who he
puts there and whether he changes his mind set. Obviu,
you're written down who I reckon sho'll be on the bench.
We'll get to that in just a sec. Thanks then,
great to get your call.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
Hi, Jeff, hellay, how are you good?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Thank you?
Speaker 6 (20:31):
Now listen, before the Orblets take the field, they do
a hell of a lot of warmer pay yep. But
the poor old guy that comes on twenty minutes to go,
he's come straight off the seat. He said, bugger all warmer,
and they have to change that for starters because he's
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coming on cold. You look at Talia the way he
played last night. As soon as he got the ball,
he passed it, and that's not like the way he plays.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, it's a good point, Jeff. I think they sometimes
have like an exercise bike on the sideline and they
do sort of warm ups with tackle pads and things
like that, but certainly nothing like the full forty minutes
that the starting fifteen get, you know, before the start
of the game.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
You're right, yeah, well, you know, my son's involved in boxing.
When they box, they box on their second wind. They
don't box on their first wind. They get rid of
that in the warm up. Now you can get on
a bike and do bits and pieces, but it doesn't
break them into that second wind. And of course you
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don't know exactly when you're going.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
On, so yeah, yeah, yeah. The other thing is, Jeff,
is you know, because there's all there's always this perception
you go on and you've got fresh legs, so you
should be you know, you should be able to make
an impact straight away. I think the problem is it takes,
as you've said, about five or six minutes for them
to get up to speed with the game. Often you
see the reserves come on and after the first couple
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of phases of play that you know they're blowing, you know,
so it actually takes a little while them to get
it to the pace of the game.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
And so that that comes, you know, like you should
have you experienced guys like par and Ayre shouldn't start.
He should come on because he's the one that knows
how it works. Whereas rod Ruandamack comes on, he's only
been there five minutes. How do you expect him to
make an easy a thinct on the game?
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yep, good points, Jeff, good points. And I you know, I,
like I said, I don't, I understand why. I understand why.
And I'm almost contradicting myself because rugby is a twenty
three man game. But you start, you must also, I
reckon be able to look at a game and read
it for what it is in terms of the way
it's playing out and saying TJ is having a great game.
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Leave him out there. Cody Taylor was one of our
best players yesterday. Leave him out there. These guys can
all play eighty minutes. Paul says, you're arguing against your
own point, know I know how involve it. That's the
problem is, I'm almost I'm almost arguing against my own
points saying we need to have impact players, but we
should leave guys on. I think both can be right.
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I hope they. I hope both can be right, Paul.
Otherwise them looking like a bit of a goose, aren't I?
But yeah, I think the first point was who you
name on the bench? Who are the players who are
likely to provide impact for you during the game. The
other one is who do you leave on and who
do you take off? And it seems to me that
front rowers, all three of them, and half back are
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the ones who almost always come off. There's almost always
a complete change in the front row. You always get sixteen,
seventeen and eighteen there at the end of the game,
and you always have number twenty one on. Someone's made
a point here, the worst, the worst decision, the most
insane move in all Blacks history, subbing Aaron Smith off
with ten minutes to play in the Rugby World Cup final.
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I totally agree. I totally agree. Margaret's made the point.
The French don't sub DuPont very often. Why would you
have the best player in the world off? Makes zero sense,
Marty high.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
Good a pony? How things good?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Mardy? How are you mate?
Speaker 8 (24:17):
Good?
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Good?
Speaker 7 (24:18):
Hey listen, no mate, it's just had a question the
other night about the teams emptied their bench and they
get injuries. Yeah, what are the rules around bringing players
back on? Now we understand the front row and the
rules around there, but what about other players?
Speaker 5 (24:35):
How does that work?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, you can just bring you can just bring them
back on if they've been subbed off, you can bring
them back on. You can always make it that you
have fifteen on.
Speaker 7 (24:43):
So I mean, shouldn't there be some sort of deterrent
of being able to dump your whole bench into the
game that was sort of thirty minutes to go, Because
that seems just stupid to be able to then just
bring players back on if you've done your whole bench,
doesn't it?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah, it's only in case of injury though, Marty. It's
not like you could have a rolling sub. But yeah,
I do understand what you mean. Can at the football,
for example, you're allowed five subs, and if you use
all five up and then you get an injury, you
can't You can't bring a guy you can't bring on
a sixth So yeah, you're right. I mean, yeah, maybe
maybe you could say okay, yeah you can name eate,
but you can only use four.
Speaker 7 (25:18):
Of them, yeah or some or basically you choose and
you get down to the last maybe I don't know,
five minutes and roll the dice and say, okay, well,
hopefully we don't get any injuries. But as you can
bring on basically a whole a whole bench at half
time and still have the still have the protection of
being able to bring those other players back if you
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need to. That seems things a bit silly to me.
But anyway, I.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Reckon someone will. I reckon someone will do that. Mary
at some point, I reckon you'll see that at a
half time in a game, that someone will. Yeah, like
rest of the rest was probably he'll bring on five
guys at half time.
Speaker 7 (25:53):
He's pretty close, isn't he, And well they were only
there are only ten minutes in, we're staying to the
second half, and he basically brought on five players. So yeah, anyway,
I think it's interesting, but I think it's something that
could changing the game myself.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, good man, money, I look, I can't find myself disagreeing, mate.
I mean again I said before, it's a twenty three
man game and that's the rules as they are at
the moment. But yeah, what a rule tweet change things.
I think the other part of this is a lot
of people think you're just giving away caps. You know,
a guy comes on with was the Stephen Petifetta and
twenty twenty two came on for the last minute against
Ireland in one of the games. That was his test.
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Aboot your test a boo was a minute. I don't know,
just takes away the gloss a little bit, doesn't it
of being an All Black? Thanks for holding Dan?
Speaker 9 (26:35):
How are you good day party? Here's it going Dan?
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Good? Thanks?
Speaker 9 (26:41):
Yeah, Pony, I've just got two things that I want
to speak about that I believe lost the All Blacks
the game. Number one is you said that from the
very start that New Zealand used to be South Africa.
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Once New Zealand's bench was just phenomenal. They used to
come on and win the game or extend the lead.
And I think it comes down to two things. It
comes down to depths and leadership. It really does. I
mean from can you remember when they never took the
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penalty penalty kick in the sixty third minute they went
with the corner and that they never scored from that,
And I think that comes down to leadership at the
end of the day. I mean, you would never see
Richie mccare turn down a three pointer like that against
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the World champions. And depths well, I don't think New
Zealand had got the depths that they used to have
back then in Piloney when you know how New Zealand
used to come on and win the game or extend
the lead off the bench. New Zealand we haven't built
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debts for the last well ever since Fozzy took over.
Really we haven't had any depth at all in our
bench whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
I think we have. I think we have Dan. I
think there are a lot of good players. There are
a lot of good players. I think we have built depth.
There are certain areas we don't, but I think there's depth,
some good depth and a lot of a lot of areas.
Half back at the moment, for example, you look at
you know, got t J. Perinada and Cortesratima, cam royguard
to come back. No, I hope them playing well. Finlay Christie.
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There are thereabout so there's five half back straight away.
But I think your point does stand in terms of
the type of players that that we don't necessarily have
in those impact roles. Again, we're probably not going to
solve it tonight, but it's been a very interesting discussion. Dan,
Thanks for calling, mate, Always appreciate your calls. Twenty two
and a half away from eight. Got to get to
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the Black Ferns because they're shortly jetting out for a
very exciting end of year too. Are They're going to
play England at Twickenham before heading on to Canada for
WXV WXV won That is, they'll play Ireland, England and
France and back in the site after missing the second
half of last year with a serious knee injury. Is
electric winger Asha Inger commands on.
Speaker 10 (29:20):
The wrap around Holmes a space here, remember English Shore?
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Why are you so headed away?
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Head over?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
What a strike coming off the bench? Asia Litty Inger
is with us. Your last test for New Zealand was
that game the twenty two World Cup Final where you
came off the bench early in the game, got a
couple of tries in one of the stars of the tournament.
How much are you looking forward to getting back out
there with the Black Ferns after missing the last year
with a knee injury.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
Oh definitely. It's been a whole year since I've been
out of rugby and I feel like a newb all
over again learning how to play rugby. But I'm super excited.
What a tour to come back as well, and also
what a team to play against? Is my return game?
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Can you tell us about the last twelve months and
first of all, how did the knee injury happened? And
what have the last twelve months been like for you?
Speaker 5 (30:12):
So it was on our tool year. I think it
was our first Lawyer O'Riley game or Packed four actually,
and it was one of our trainings. I had just
returned back from being sacked and my first full training back.
My nare gave way and luckily it was not in contact.
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The only thing that was damaged was just my aco,
so I was lucky in regard to it has been fun.
I've enjoyed it so much. I've got to spend more
time with family and being more present at home, and
I guess just a lot of self reflecting. I guess
being high from the World Cup and then staying on
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that kind of find a motivation to come back from that.
It has been yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Crazy, So, I mean you're putting a very positive spin
on it, But were there some challenging times because it's
a long rehab, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
Yes, definitely. It was my first real injury back. Oh sorry,
it was my first real injury, so I've never been
injured and then to be out for twelve months from
the game that you love and or you know how
to do well clearly as my job, it was pretty hard.
I think in the beginning of freshly in my injury,
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there were a lot of I guess stuffed out in
regards to will I ever play again or will I
ever be able to play at the level that I can.
I mean, I felt like I was at the peak
of my rugya at the time, and to come away
with the injury was pretty scary, and I guess there
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were a lot of tears during my rehab and times
where I fat alone. Even though I did have people
great around me.
Speaker 10 (32:07):
I know.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
They don't understand unless they actually go through it. So
there were a lot of tough times, especially mentally.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
But yeah, what keeps you going in the in the
darkest times, I guess I had to find the love
for the sport again, and I found a whole new appreciation.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
I want to say I never even wanted to rehab again.
Rehabit actually harder than normal training. So anything I can
do to not be in rehab club again, I would
definitely do it. But I guess rugby wise, it was
during club season when I did my knee, and I
guess I got to give back to my club off
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the field, and that was where I found the whole
appreciation and love for rugby again. I was able to
serve my club team off the field and share my knowledge,
and yeah, I was fortunate to come back on the
second round club Ruggy.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
I saw a speech you did where you talked about
not being defined solely by being a rugby player. Is
that something that was strengthened during your time off the field.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Yeah, I think I yes, most definitely. I think what
had happened was I mentioned I've never been injured, and
so when I did get it injured, I think I
kind of took that for granted. And I know in
the beginning of when I was freshly injured, I saw
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I had thoughts like I was nothing without rugby, and
so I had to learn what life was like without rugby,
and yeah, rehab definitely helped.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Was that cool? So when you started running again and
in particular changing direction again, was there any was there
any trepidation? Did you worry that it might just buckle
under you again? H?
Speaker 5 (34:09):
No, I was teeky actually, So I had been going
to club pre season and I wasn't allowed to be
doing as much running as I was, but I was
pushing myself and I guess I'm too competitive, so I
can't hold back. And free season we had a lot
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of conditioning games and I'm all for it, like especially
when we play against the boys.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
So, yeah, it's cool.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
So you've actually I was because I was wondering how
much recent rugby you've actually had going into these big
test matches. So you feel like you're in pretty good
shape in terms of match fitness, if you know what
I mean.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
Yeah, I haven't fully been tested yet, but I have
got an enough fronts by under my bout to be returning.
I feel like I met my first i've been. I
met the lightest I've been since returning, And yeah, I
was able to play club games, five games and then
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the three weeks in camp. They gave me enough. I
guess we played some of the boys, so there was
enough game time under my brow to return.
Speaker 9 (35:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Good to hear your try scoring records amazing thirteen tries
and twenty one test but prolific for Wellington and for Oriental?
Wrong at time? Have you got eight and one game
once or something? Stupid? How big a part of how
you judge your own game is try scoring?
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (35:37):
I always say their team tries. I can't. I can't
score any of those tries of everyone else isn't doing
their work, so they make it easy for me. I
basically just have to put the ball down on the
try line.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
I think we all know that's not true. But it's
a very nice way of deflecting, deflecting away from what
you can do yourself.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
Hayen, there was a point, There was a point where
my granddad mised to beat me ten dollars the tries.
So I think maybe there has some players to that
and to the scoring.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
So man, you would have sent him broke the poor guy.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
Yeah, so we stopped doing that.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
I think that's probably wise on his But are you
just to finish? How exciting? How exciting is the prospect
of playing England at what is likely to be a
sold out stadium at Twickenham.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
Yeah, it's very exciting and what a game to actually
return back to and to play in a stadium like
talking them. That's for a lot of us. It'll be
our first time mine as well, and I guess every
time we faced England it's always a good game and
I know I always take it personally, and like the
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last time I played international rugby was against England, so
to play them on my first one returning back is
very exciting and also yeah, I'm excited for it.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
I bet I think we're all excited to have you back.
Thanks so much for taking the time for a chant.
All the best for a very exciting back end of
the year. Hope. I hope it goes really really well
for you over there. Thank you so much. No, thank you,
Ash asher LETTI e inger there returning to the Black Ferns,
looking forward to seeing how they go against England and
then on towards w XV one fourteen away from eight
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when we come back. It's Piney's Power Rankings Ladies Power
Rankings Monday night time for Piney's Power Rankings, rating the
best and the worst of the sporting weekend. Let's get
into it. Jen Auckland Rugby. What a season they're having,
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or rather not having.
Speaker 11 (37:42):
There's the siren, where's it gonna go? Josh Morby screaming
at him, saying, can you give it to me? I'm
almost on the dead ball line and that's where I've
kicked it. I've kicked it over the sideline and it's
all over in Hamilton? Why Cato thirty.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Nine twenty one played for lost four for Auckland nine
Max for Staffing and Red Ball are disappointing outing at
Monza Max for Staffing, the championship leader Red Bulls didn't
have the pace today. He can only finish sixth. Are
they seeing both the Drivers and Constructors' Championships slipping away?
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Eat?
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Alexi Poppron claiming the scalp of Novak Djokovic at the
US Tennis Open. Another huge, huge shops here in New York.
Alexi Poppery interview territory at the Majors he would have
been higher, but he lost Aday so failing to kick
on seven. Speaking of kicking, Earling Harland seven goals already
(38:38):
in three Premier League matches this season, this for his
hat trick.
Speaker 11 (38:44):
Irresistible, irrepressible and irrefutably one of the best there has
ever been.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
That's for real. He's got seventy goals in sixty nine
Premier League appearances. Now, how many mighty for the shop
with six Joe Roots smashes it upside before. What a moment,
What an achievement.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Thirty four hundreds for Joe Root, top of the part
or England.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
How on earth does he make batching.
Speaker 9 (39:14):
Look so easy?
Speaker 2 (39:14):
He had two more Test centuries for Joe Route thirty
four hours you heard there in test match is the
most ever for England, sixth equal on the all time
list and the most by any player still playing at
the moment. Five at the top half. The All Blacks
are there, run down on the end by the spring box.
Spring Box from.
Speaker 9 (39:32):
Ten points down, come back and beat the odd Blacks.
Speaker 10 (39:36):
TENNY one twenty seven had Alice Park and Johannesburg.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Yeah, but certainly not helped by the lack of intervention
by the TMO. Right, say a look at the.
Speaker 11 (39:46):
Grounding here, Just make sure he's got it down.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
The deadness comes out comes out. Oh he lost that
he lost? It doesn't look as they're going to have
another look at it. Madness four four mascots and talk
back caller Peter on Saturday, regaling us with stories of
his career as an all blacks mascot in South Africa.
Speaker 8 (40:09):
I had had the head on and I had a
a sort of a tea a brownish t shirt, you know,
with an all black and I did this. I did
the samon in UK in seventy two, seventy three. Oh,
I've had a great, a great career.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Mascots bringing back I say, three are Paralympians. A bronze
It's call Mario of New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (40:36):
She'll take a bronze medal hearing hers at the Paralympic Games.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
And two silver's Hannah Taylor red art fast but couldn't
sustain that case. Taylor who will take silver for New Zealand,
But she.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Eating takes it.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
She retains her title. Agerson picks up the second position silver,
hopefully more to calm but a good start to our
Paralympic campaign. Two Sean Johnson Johnsonson call Outside runs his
own script written produced directed by Seawan Johnson to movie
(41:17):
He's Last. Jame winsor for the Warriors. Terrific to see
Sean Johnson ending his rugby league days as a Warrior's hero,
the Great Scott's McLaughlin and Dixon, a Kiwi Quanella in Milwaukee.
He loves the history of monor sports.
Speaker 8 (41:35):
There's not much more historical than the Milwaukee Mile in
the Indie cor return stuff with.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Ark than his un again on it. Yeah, wonderful stuff.
The Kiwi's in Milwaukee, top of the Pops and Piney's
power rankings this evening.
Speaker 10 (41:50):
Any feedback, Yeah, I just got off the phone with
Joe Roots and Earling Land, who are wondering what can
they do? Look at what the Joe Root at breaking
a long standing English cricket batting record. And you put
the all Blacks who who don't beat South Africa and
cmos who can't can't jump in and say there was
a blatant knock on ahead of.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Joe Rouse, ahead of Earling Hahn's interesting cauls binding. Yea,
if we're the BBC, maybe they would have been higher.
Those are Piney's power reckings for Tonight Back next Monday,
coming up three to eight. That's us for sports talk
for Tonight Back again tomorrow evening between seven and eight
every night of the week. Actually, Darcy Wardgrave has the
(42:34):
mic for the rest of this week. Marcus Lush has
it after eight o'clock to take you through the rest
of the first Monday in September. Huge thanks to any
McDonald for producing the show as always manning the phones.
Thanks to you for listening in or contributing if that's
what you chose to do. I'll got a weekend off,
so I'm not back for a week. I'll be back
next Monday. That'll please a heck of a lot of
(42:56):
our Texters, I can tell you that for nothing. Enjoy
your week. See you Monday, Life and Out.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
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