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ZBZB standard text charger will apply. We're going to talk
about apologizing to the All Blacks for a bit of
a SNAr foo when it came to an aeroplane. Some
fog cannons flames, oh all during the Harker that CEO
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of South Abury Rugby's issue and apology. Is that really
necessary anyway? We're going to talk to that subject with
Heney LaRue. Here's a name for you, former spring Bok
and ninety ninety five World Cup winner. Just plane flew
over there game. It seemed to be fine, didn't it.
I will talk to him about that about these distractions
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around the All Black Hakker. You'll be joining us shortly.
Then we'll take your calls of one hundred and eighty
ten eighty with the South African's right to apologize for
disrupting the Did they actually disrupt the harker? Do many
people still actually watch this or amine outlier? And the
fact that I wait to the action starts that I'm
all on maybe because it was someone godly in the morning,
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today and it gives me a great pleasure here on
sports look on a news talking to zb to. Welcome
to the show, Henny LaRue, former spring Bot from way
back then, actually played for the Cats transfer rugby as
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well and part of a players union. I think you're
a founder to Henny, so you're fairly steeped in rugby
and have been most of your life. Welcome to the program.
Speaker 7 (04:34):
Thank you very much, Darcy. It's kind of word. Yes, indeed,
we did have some interesting times and here I enjoyed
the privilege of also playing under New Zealand coach Laurie Maines,
whom I've got great respect for.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yeah, Laurie's friend of the programs joins us quite a lot.
I'm interested in your views on the apologies. I note
that you were actually at that legendary final playing in
the center role when Springboks rolled the All Blacks and
it was not too dissimilar because you had a plane
flying overhead.
Speaker 8 (05:06):
Two didn't ye.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Any So this is hardly news to what happened over
the weekend.
Speaker 7 (05:12):
Yeah. Look, the playing flying over seems to be placed
there for big events, and obviously South Africa playing New
Zealand is as big as you get. So yeah, it's
just a little unfortunate in this instance, unlike the ninety
five one, the timing was a little bit out.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Do you think that South African Rugby should have apologized
for that? Well, it looks like it was just an
oversight and a mistake more than anything else. Maybe overly
sensitive with that one.
Speaker 7 (05:40):
Any Oh, look, I think I think from a protocol perspective,
you know, I think it's the right thing to do.
You know, we've gone and played in France regularly, and
one kind of got the sense that some things would
done too. I must be careful of my wording yet,
but it seems as if, you know, things are done
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in the modern world and today to cause disruption, which
which falls outside of the protocol. You know, you have
people in the stands booing and shouting where in the
past used to be silence and respect to ever needed
his time. To kick and so forth. But but things
are changing fast and one doesn't want to be part
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of that. Let's call it undisciplined and unreally behavior or change.
You know, I don't think generally from a sporting point
of view, that's good. But I would assume taking on
the public in these instances when everyone's charged up, is
a difficult thing to do. But when it falls on
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on on protocol from a union, I think, you know,
they should respect, you know, whatever is to unfold. And
I think it's iconic, the all black war cry, and
that should be respected.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Something you'll face before. What did it mean to you
when you were staying in there? Because I know a
number of international rugby players it's part of the part
of the international career they really cherish any.
Speaker 7 (07:13):
Yeah, absolutely, you know, it's something very unique. It's not
something that that you get to do every every Saturday.
And you know, it started up with a lot of
emotion and drive and it's a it's a real, you know,
call to battle, so you know, you you you cherish
those opportunities and uh, you know, it's a very unique
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and a straightforward, impactful way of saying, you know, let's
let's get onto it and yeah, you know that's that's
something that will always remain very very unique and special
when when you play New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
So what was your response when the haka was up
and suddenly the playing was over the top, then the
fireworks went off and the music started playing. Did you
have any particular reaction to that.
Speaker 7 (08:01):
Yeah, look, I mean obviously the timing was out. You
kind of recognized that it was really trying to understand
the source of it. I think South African Rugby was
was clear that that that it wasn't planned like that
and it was at an unfortunate event. So we got
to accept and you know, accept that as as as
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an apology and yeah, it's it's it's sad, but you
know we've we've played again in France where they played
our national anthem completely incorrectly. So these things unfortunately happened.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, from a spring box scenes at Flat Half as well,
I might ad you kind of split your career, didn't you,
between both positions and of the arue joining the program.
You mentioned being polite, being respectful. I've never been to
Ellis Park. I don't know what's called now. Something to
do that aeroplane that flow over the top, it's always
going to be Elie Park. To me, they are a
ferocious crowd. They are a crowd that let you know
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you're there. But in general, do you feel that the
crowd are a polite and respectful by to rugby goers.
Do that they enjoy the game they sit up there
in that respect.
Speaker 7 (09:10):
Yeah, Look, it's it's a real cosmopolitan type of center
of South Africa in the sense that you know, you
have a lot of different provinces representing players there. In
terms that it's it's the financial hub of South Africa.
So from that point of view, you know we've often played,
even from Alliance perspective, playing Western Province and then being
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a big crowd of Western Province supporters in the stadium,
so you know there's there's all different walks of life
that end up in that stadium. And but yeah, when
when the national team plays, it's it's you know, everyone's
very passionate for South Africa and they do get behind
the team quite well. So yeah, it's it's very very special.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Kevin part friend of mine, has spoken with me on
this and he said, look, basically we're forgetting the point
of this is that the bomb squad turn up and
destroyed the All Blacks the last twenty minutes. I don't know,
we're worried about AKA for this is the biggest around here.
What actually happened at the end of the game, and
it was very efficient from South Africa. Talk to us
(10:18):
about what you saw there toward the end of that game,
what your emotion was.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
Yeah, look, it was post the intercept try we you know,
we were staring down at our shoes and saying, well
what now? But yeah, I think you know, the South
African team showed some class. There were one or two
players that started which was we're new to the squad
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and so forth, and it was all about the ability
to pick up from there. And when the Bomb Squad
did come on, there was a sense of urgency and
I think they brought a slight different dimension to the
game and focused impact, which which also played a bit
of a role in changing the sentiment. And I think
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it was effective enough to bring about the change, and.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Players like Cocker Smith for example, and Malcolm Marx pretty
hard to rain in. Do you think the All Blacks
invited them in? Do you think they may be backed
OFLF in that last fifteen or so minutes and maybe
weren't the frightening prospect that they used to have been,
because that's a narrative going around here at the moment. Henny.
Speaker 7 (11:29):
Look, I mean, one thing you can never underestimate or
downplay is the absolute emotion and gritten the determination of
anyone who puts an All Black jersey on. You know,
there's never a doubt in terms of the commitment there.
Whether there's the level of depth and skill currently within
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the all back makeup that was always there were present
in the past. You know, it's difficult to make that call,
but there's a sense that they probably don't have quite
the the level of big names that they used to
have in the past. I'm not sure. You know, the
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game's also changed, become a lot more mobile and so forth.
That's brought about the changes in the nature and the
character of how people choose teams. But physical dominance is critical.
But the All Blacks had us, you know, on the
ropes for most of the game, so you know, I
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think it was it was probably just a timing thing.
And rightly as you say, you know, the change that
was made by the bomb squad that brought a new
fresh energy into the side and confidence.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
And Finally, Hena the Robin, thank you so much for
your time. It sets up next week beautifully, doesn't it.
This will be be even better. We'd like to think
the what we saw last week.
Speaker 7 (12:59):
Yeah no, certainly. Look as with South Africa, New Zealand
once once wounded, we saw the repercussions of what happened
after Argentina. So we're expecting a big word on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
It'll be bigger than Texas or should I say the
entire of the southern tip of the African continent. Henry
LaRue twenty seven times spring Bok. We thank you so
much for your time here on News Talks, ezb You
look after yourself.
Speaker 7 (13:26):
Absolute pleasure. Thanks Darcy forget.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
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It's twenty minutes after seven. This is Sports Talk on
News Talks EB to have every gray the team that
you love to beat in cricket and in rugby and frankly,
if I had a team to play for my life,
I'd choose a South African team every day of the week,
hot as nails, love beating them and every South africon
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I talked to on air, the most polite, generous, awesome character.
How deal with that? I can't any fantastic character twenty
seven tests played back in that famous final with a
jet flow over the top as well played for for
Lori Mains back in the day. There was some of
his points because so the South Africans apologized for the
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distractions during the Harker. Now this isn't a talk about
the relevance of the Harker. Okay, We'll been there one
hundred times before. It doesn't matter where the South African's
right to apologize for disrupting it. This is the thing
here that there's two tracks I'd like to go down.
One of them is the speed at which they apologize
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for disrupting the Harker. And I'm also interested in the
right of other teams and unions to essentially push back
at the Harker. Now that was a mistake, right, claiming
it was a mistake. The CEO Olholzen said, no, it
was a mistake. I got it horribly wrong. Couldn't see,
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couldn't hear? Whatever do you have to apologize mistake? Going whoops,
we got that one wrong. I suppose it's a standard
fare as you need something I said. Somebody say I'm sorry,
I'm sorry you big forgiveness of everything.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Say okay, so.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Maybe it is fair. I wouldn't have bothered. And as
far as they're right, they claim it wasn't deliberate, and
it probably wasn't. But even if it was doesn't matter.
Do you'd imagine being at the ground you got the
Harker going on there, suddenly you got smoke, cannons going off,
firews going off, the music starts, a jet flies over
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the top. What a marvelous cacophony. But you'd know you're alive,
wouldn't you. Fantastic whoop whoop? A zero problem with it,
which takes me to the right for other teams and
unions to fight back, to push back against the Harker
in whichever way they choose. Remember the Arrowhead the English
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did Cockerrell standing up up to the Harker. I think
we should encourage it. It's all very well, this is
our traditions, is an all black tradition. That's marvelous, and
do it. That's great. But if another team decides they
want to fight back somehow and do something else, let
them go. It doesn't matter. No, it's all part of
the conflict before the game. Surely so were they write
to apologize? And do you think the team should be
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able to do what they want as far as pushing
back and try and deflate some of that so called
advantage eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Yes, they should be
able to push back, and well they apologize, but doesn't
matter now not really doesn't bother me in the slightest
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some cool people in the last couple of decades. Yeah,
not so bad. But let's move to the tet vernon.
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Where do you stand on this one? Thanks for your time?
Speaker 8 (17:46):
Who do we think we are that we expect teams
to line up and listen to us do our tradition
and then let's I think we do it too much.
But that's a different conversation. They shouldn't need to apologize
because it's.
Speaker 9 (18:02):
Something that we do.
Speaker 8 (18:04):
They shouldn't be made to have to stand and respect
it because it is. It gives us what it used
to give us an advantage.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Well I'm with that. Look, if you want to stand
there and respect, that's great, But this is our culture
that we're taking somewhere else and we're putting it on
other people now that people out there that go it's
a part of rugby history. But I feel like that
they almost hold people to ransom in the crowd, saying
you better respect this otherwise there's going to be trouble.
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I don't think outside of our shores people should be
expected to respect it. And that's fair, isn't it?
Speaker 8 (18:42):
Well it is, but I think I'm correct and saying
we only used to do the hard er on tour.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Away from Home. I was telling young producer dof that,
and when I used to get up the middle of
the night to watch the All Blacks, that was so.
Speaker 7 (18:56):
So like you.
Speaker 8 (18:57):
So unfortunately, was it anywhere at all anything that I
have these tho. The harker is that we get up,
we do all and we go mad and harker and
I'm up, but I'm beating my arms and when we
lose and all the time, but you know, we lose
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to actual tain of someone.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
And yeah, well Kevin Park seems to think that we're
really distracting or just distracting everyone from the fact that
we got rolled in the last ten minutes and it
really should never have happened. And there's a whole harker thing.
Yeah whatever, it pushed over to one corner. Well he
has some point, doesn't he.
Speaker 9 (19:39):
He does, he does.
Speaker 8 (19:41):
I just think this is a side show, and you
know that it shouldn't be an apology. It's not important
and the guy should just focus on how to combat
the bomb squad. And you find some big big boys
to come on at half time.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, well what they need to do is they need
to get a bomb diffusal squad to come on, because
when the bombs arrived, someone to diffuse the bomb. So
that's what Razor should be working on. My excuse me,
Scott Robertson should be working on now.
Speaker 9 (20:12):
Reagan, Hi, Yeah, hey Darcy, first time calling.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Thank you.
Speaker 9 (20:18):
I just want I just wanted to come three this evening.
I think the apology, because it came up so quickly,
became quite a distraction away from maybe the discussion around
that no tray and so all of a sudden that's
dominated the year where he's over the last couple of
days around the Hucker and I get it, but it's
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really caused kind of more conversation around that than even
talking about maybe where that no tray was.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
That was an hour a disaster. I don't think it
affected the outcome of the game. I really don't happen
too early, but it was a disaster, Reagan. When you
think about it, how much time do they spend going
back over tape illegally? I might add what five phases
to find a transgression to wipe out a try in
the World Out Final took exactly months. And in this
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we could all say it and they didn't even go
they could take a look it's laughing.
Speaker 9 (21:16):
I agree, And I think that's why it's not on
the airways at the moment, because we've been distracted by
this other's point and when it was the last time
South Afriga apologized on the Monday for something that had
really no relevance in terms of the impact in the
game itself. I understand about the impact of the hutter,
but in itself, I don't know if that's a really
big talking points. He made us talk about it.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Well, he doth protest too much because it was so fast, Right,
what are you hiding? Maybe we did do it deliberately.
Speaker 9 (21:47):
Well interesting, So there hasn't been a lot of conversation
around it, though, And I just wanted to highlight that
because I think possibly they came out, they raised the
story about the hutter, they got into apologize, they talked
about things they wouldn't do next week. But I certainly
think we're talking about that instead of what may have
happened that true.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Reagan, thanks very much for your time, Thanks for expressing it,
Thanks for bringing us up. Oh one hundred and eighty
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Speaker 10 (22:15):
En Oh good evening, Darcy. Things are looking very dull
lately for me. I can't quite understand what's going on
in the world out there. But this ka, you know,
it's I know, it's a it's a New Zealand type
of thing. It's before every game and they do this,
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and all of a sudden, I get after every game
I didn't see the game on, said, you know, and
I hear this straight away on the radio. Oh, they've
got to apologize. They've they've got to do this and
they've got to do that. And I thought, well, look,
these are the spring boxt they're big guys, they're strong guys,
they're good rugby players. They're playing a game. They won
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the game, give it away. Just get into the next
one and see what happens again.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Mate, what do you think they apologize so quick? I look,
there's I can't put a conspiracy there out there. I
just found it like our last corps did. Odd.
Speaker 10 (23:17):
Yeah, it's just odd that they seem to want to
make teams apologize after the Harker or I mean with
the plane thing, it sounded to me like what time
does the plane take off from New Zealand, say Wellington?
You know, and this goes every hour.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I think the timing is tough to remember. There was
kaka beforehand for the recently departed Marty King, and I
mean maybe that just blew the timing out of a
wee bit so when the plane arrived, they kind of
figured it would have been over by them, but it wasn't.
I mean, I don't know. Maybe i'm macnimic, but I
don't think the All Blacks or the players. I think
a couple of players made some kind of made some
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mention about it, saying it's not exactly was it, Damien McKenzie,
you not really know about that. I don't think they
were disturbed or worried, And you can tell by the
way they accepted the apologies, like oh really, okay, yeah, fine, sweet,
we'll see next week. They're more interested. And could you
please apologize to us for beating the snot out of
us in the last fifteen minutes because that really hurt
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Speaker 11 (24:24):
There you go.
Speaker 9 (24:25):
That's a quick worry. Yeah, of course it was on purpose,
you know, of course, you know, I mean.
Speaker 12 (24:32):
The plane flying over might have been, you know, leaving
after they had five weeks of music on you.
Speaker 13 (24:38):
But that first try.
Speaker 12 (24:41):
Was very costly for us.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Well, no, but the team came back and we're leading
by ten and had them round and they just lost
their minds.
Speaker 9 (24:52):
Yeah, we don't.
Speaker 12 (24:53):
We didn't lose their mind. But if that trial wasn't award,
you take the unofficial score would have been twenty seven
twenty six up. So that try and then was actually
quite critical in the game and message turning point shouldn't
have been awarded.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
But yeah, I think if they had five minutes to go,
maybe a bit more going. Wow, that's not good. But
it happens toward the start of the game and you
and and the All Blacks had it in hand. They
just failed to deal with the bomb squad and made
some really poor decisions down the stretch.
Speaker 12 (25:24):
But I mean that that point of the game was actually,
in the end of it was very very critical.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Yea, And well, well, I hope so.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
I think it's going to make for a mark Thanks
for your call. A lot of people tuning in you hear, hear?
How are you gonna Are you gonna hijack it this
time around? A Springers, what are you gonna do it?
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Now?
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Twenty five minutes? The eight lines are open. Love your
thoughts and calls on this. Well, were they right to apologize?
I suppose they did. They have to, did anyone demand that.
I don't know if anyone did, did they? I don't
know what your gut feeling was when you said that
you got this is a travesty. We need an apolo.
How do you or did you go? Whoa look at
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that explosions, Harker aeroplanes music. This is madness. This is
madness like something at a three hundred. Should they apologize?
And what about the right to push back when you're
doing the Harker? When the All Blacks are performing the
Harker had hay, same with the Tall Blacks and every
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other team that does it. If you're doing it in
someone else's backyard, surely that they should be allowed to
do whatever they want in response, you know, do we
have to be held to ransom that we must respect
your culture because actually you're in our backyard. We'll do
what we want. It's fair, right. Eighty twenty five minutes
to eight. This is a sports talk on you still.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Trees, God love you.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
For stalk care on Newstalk ZB eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty text nineteen nine two. That's zb ZB. That's
this for a text? They does you know it's not
going to happen because it would damage the AB's brand.
But what do you think the reaction would be if
we stopped doing the Harker when we tour. Wow didn't
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think about that. I think that would reverberate, would it not?
Around the rugby playing world anyway, Let's get to the phones.
Much more important than text, with all due respects to
your texts. So I'm much more interested in the telephone calls.
Speaker 14 (27:40):
George l Ayll, this is that guy that rang a
while back, who ten years ago married that woman who
was a rugby buffrom. Now I've learned that rugby is
bull rush for the ball.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
No, I think, yeah, it's a bit more. It's a
bit slightly more culture than just bull that's rugby league.
Speaker 14 (28:00):
Get sophisticated bull rush for the ball.
Speaker 11 (28:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 14 (28:03):
But anyway, the game I watched it and Harker, I
think that's probably the first time the All Blacks have
had a crowd that's actually yelled and screamed and cheered
and jeered at them while fire works has actually gone
off while they're still doing it, and they played music,
and there's you know, from the from the viewpoint of
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the players and the fuel, total disrespect.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, but I don't think that just but we go
to someone else's house and go by the way this
is what I believe, and start laying it on them
at the dinner table.
Speaker 14 (28:39):
But if it was a Mary's tribe doing a harker
to another married tribe, they would be doing a harker
that they would have no respect for the harker.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
That would be That's a that's a very different circumstance
as opposed to being a touring rugby team who are
using this ceremonial challenge to start their game off. And
I honestly don't think the players would have been bothered.
They all loved it. The more noise and craziness and
chaos going around, and the better it would. Zero win
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on it, says a guy who's never done a hakka
playing international sport. But I'm I'm just presuming that right. Anyway,
Let's move on to our next call. George, thanks for calling. Hey, Conrad,
how are you?
Speaker 11 (29:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (29:24):
Hi?
Speaker 4 (29:25):
They No, I think it's nothing to do with us,
all the players or anything. I think it is internally
within South Africa. There's been people piping up about it
in hindsight, so I mean, I mean, let's imagine, I
think some people in Africa are thinking the reverse. They
say that those are tribe or whatever. Did a dance
that was a traditional African tribe dance over here in
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New Zealand for the Pacifica Festival, and just as they started,
aig is playing just over above about hundred meters. Not
sure they would go down too well in Africa, No.
Speaker 7 (29:59):
Maybe not.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
But if it's for in a rugby game, grant that.
If it was a cultural, you know, coupa haka situation,
you know you'd be rightly upset. But if it's if
you want to show respect, yeah you can. But I
don't think it should be demanded. Am I a horrible person? Conrad?
Speaker 4 (30:18):
No, no, no, no, I kind of disagree a little
bit because, like I'm thinking, well, my reason for why
they've apologize is entirely within Africa, That's the first point
I'm making. So in other words, elements of their society
have piped up about it because it looked bad on
TV or whatever, So that's the reason for the apology.
It's it's the game or anything else. But yeah, I
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just pretty slightly. I think if the reverse was the situation,
and they were doing some kind of African war, tribe
dance at Eden Park and there was a mass of
playing suddenly when I was timed exactly. Then they're the
elements within our society saying we should apologize to them.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Very good point, Conrad, and well made. No, I'm here
to learn and to create conversation. Honestly, twenty three years.
I don't get it right all the time. In fact,
I don't get it right a lot of the time.
But it doesn't matter. It's all about exchanging ideas so
we grow right. Yes, Hi, Jeff.
Speaker 11 (31:16):
Darcy, I just sort of comment on a couple of
things there. One of them I was at the ninety
five game when that seven four seven flew overhead. And
the thing is the Ellis Park Stadium lies between two
very busy airports, Lanceria and our Tambo, and to get
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the plane flying over there, it takes quite a bit
of air traffic control. So maybe people should give him
some slack for messing up. If they did mess up
for the timing, it's quite something to do. But another
thing I want to mention, though, is you had a
caller earlier on and it's almost like New Zealand needs
(31:58):
to give an apology to South Africa. This whole perception
that Bongis try wasn't a try and All Blacks would
have won if this try.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Well, I don't think they would have won. I don't
think it's anything to a final result. I don't don't
add as too early.
Speaker 11 (32:17):
Well, that guy's are yeah, I know you've got a
good point on that, and that's true too, But that
guy's arithmetic is wrong because that happened when there was
an advantage being played. So you had the choice of
the All Blacks losing by four if he got the try,
or two if the penalty would have been put over.
(32:37):
So you know, you can't say I think, I don't.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I don't think. I think most sensible people Jeff wouldn't
look to that and go that was the winning and
the losing of the game. The winning and the losing
of the game was the bomb squad came on and
New Zealand absolutely failed to deal with that, and they
played some pretty stupid rugby. That's the problem right there.
But as far as the it wasn't a try, I mean,
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everybody could see.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
That he dropped it.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I'm stunned at that can go back and every decent
look when they spend so much time forensically going through
Did the guy touch that ball for a knock on
eight phases ago? It just makes no sense, does it.
Speaker 11 (33:17):
Yeah, No, I agree entirely with you about the last
twenty minutes. They all black gave it away with the indiscipline.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
And I know it's not an all Black thing. They
don't fall apart in the lot. Normally in the last
ten minutes they'll come back from twelve down and beat you.
Speaker 11 (33:32):
It's very odd anyway. We wait for the game in
I'll be watching lovedly. Oh yeah, will be the best
the best side.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Absolutely, you know, and you deal with it. Sometimes you win,
sometimes you lose. Sometimes you get bad calls. Sometimes an
aeroplane flies over the Okay, relax, gooda Paul, how are you?
Speaker 15 (33:56):
That's how you go mate?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Very well, I think.
Speaker 15 (34:01):
Okay, So I'm not interested in sideshow stuff. What I'm
looking at is our no rugby coach by any stretch.
But as a team we're a superior team to South Africa.
There is no question running the ball. If you look
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at the second Test against Argentina, we blew them away
in the first half and then started to kick the
ball in the second half and scored one trying. Now
look at this test and we have Damien McKenzie in
the box and we're ahead, and here is fifteen meters
back putting bombs in the air. We can't kick and
(34:42):
we never recover that ball when we run the ball.
That's how we run these big blokes into the ground.
Even if you go on sideways, you've still got the ball.
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Giving the ball back all the time was odd.
Speaker 15 (34:58):
They are kicking it away, but that's the.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Defense of mechanism going Hey, we're a head by team.
If we keep them back there, we should be okay.
And if you get into that mindset of defending a lead,
you've finished. You can't do that.
Speaker 11 (35:13):
You are finished.
Speaker 15 (35:14):
You are finished. And what you've got to do is
how did you get there in the first place. Oh,
that's right by running the football. You run that ball
that rugby will go side to side and goes forward
and backwards, but never kick it. We kick it against
them in this next test we lose.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Stop giving them the ball.
Speaker 11 (35:34):
Stop it.
Speaker 15 (35:35):
That bomb squad is nothing. If it comes on Ireland,
you go and have a look at some of their
tests against them that they won, and the bomb squad
and what they've done is stood deep and run straight
at them and that ball will always beat a big man,
doesn't matter if the size of a five braaks.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Will you look, Paul at the the transfer of the
passing in that first twenty minutes. It was exceptional, the
accuracy and the speed with which they went about their business.
They were shocked and all they didn't know what to do.
Speaker 7 (36:08):
It was so quick.
Speaker 15 (36:09):
Keep it going like that, Darcy. We were employed their
professionals and they're good at it, and we have decided
to kick on fide them anyway, see you, Darce, Good.
Speaker 14 (36:21):
On you, Paul.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Thanks very much for your words. It is twelve minutes
to eight. More of your course still to come. Plenty
of texts. I'll run through a few of them. I'd
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(37:17):
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the All Blacks really saw their bed sheets at the
end of that game, lit all credit to the bomb
score for doing what they're doing. But wow, that's not
(37:38):
All Blacks Rugby what they did there, It really isn't.
He's an idea for you. What we need to do
is need to start with the bench, so you run
them first, see what they can do, and then toward
the end of the game, like you know, the end
of the first half, then you get rid of your
bench and you bring your best players on and they
can run to the end of the game because they
can deal with the pressure.
Speaker 7 (37:58):
Right.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
People would say Robertson was insane if he did something
like that, but hey, why not would you? Anyway, let's
get back to the good John. How are you hi?
Speaker 13 (38:10):
All good?
Speaker 11 (38:11):
What's up?
Speaker 13 (38:13):
That's just when I have recorded on that the hacker.
Everybody's like worried about what happens when we go to sea,
you say and records to Mark. We know I've got
a real good answer. Don't anybody want to know? You know,
we keep the are you we go of fees? We
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got to show our you know, what's.
Speaker 7 (38:41):
Doesn't it doesn't John.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
It doesn't mean to say that people and opposing plate.
Your line is terrible too, by the way, running it
really idear what you're saying. I don't think you can
make people respect what you do. You speak of something
that you did you earn. I mean, it's not something
you demand. Surely it said Di sec in the idea
of only during the home games, this character said, you
(39:05):
need to smash them and keep smatching them. That's the
way you beat the spring box. I like this from
Lisa Darcy. Everyone knows what hacker is, but karakia is
little known. The South African's probably intended to honor the
hakker with the fly, but what is this katakia? The
South Africans possibly thought an apology may have been appropriate
(39:28):
as they overlook the significance of the kuta key at Lisa,
thank you. I like your style, and possibly if the
katakia was before the Hacker, the timing was all wrong.
It took a couple of extra minutes in By that stage,
you've got this wapping great bird and someone's like tagged
the name of an airline underneath it, and I go
and that that's messy. So is it their fault? I
(39:51):
don't know, but Lisa, I really like the way you're
the way you're thinking.
Speaker 14 (39:53):
Thinks.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
So much for that, Darcy. I'm a bit disappointed that
you hate the Harker. It's part of our makeup. You
told Heather you don't bother to watch it, but it's
a challenge. And when you face it as a challenge that, yeah,
but you see must not challenging me and I don't
hate it at all. It sends chills as better my cloud.
I once said, it really does. But I don't have
(40:16):
to watch it. I'm more interested in the rugby. I
don't watch a lot.
Speaker 11 (40:22):
Of the.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Fluff around the outside of rugby matches and in the
middle either when they have those electric on field interviews.
How do you feel? What are you doing the second half?
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Are you?
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Why go to the fridge and get myself a beer?
Much better idea. But thanks for your thoughts anyway, Darcy,
why are you doing? You're trying to wind up and said,
I'm not trying to wind up anyone, uns I'm just
I am just telling people what I think. That's what
my job is. Chris writes, who says countries actually have
to give it respect or silence when it's in their
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country and in their culture to perceived that if we
get an advantage by doing the hanger, I reckon they're
within their rights that do whatever they want to nullify that. Chris,
I'm with you on that one. Look bum rushing the
stage and hitting them with sticks, you can't do that.
It's not good. But if people want to boo and
shout and whistle or turn around and point their backs
to them, do it. It's not about their reaction, It's
(41:21):
about your internal strength. This is why the all Blacks
do it. This is their show of their strength if
they're looking for some kind of reaction. Got it all wrong, Chris,
also right. What was worth was the drowning out of
the Marti tribute to the Mardy King prior to the Hucker. Christian,
I don't think that was the Katakia that people quite
(41:44):
understood what that was. And then that's understandable they didn't know.
I'd say most South African's probably had no idea there
was a Marty King. It's disrespectful, it's just that didn't know. Anyway,
that's it for this conversation. I've got so many more texts.
I'm sorry I can't get them. All out, But so
(42:05):
be it, I think for joining us, I'm Darcy water Grave.
Bandy Duff holds my hand, tells me everything's going to
be okay. When we leave the studio, he burps me
from time to time. Sorry, debit, stupid ladies and gentlemen.
I'll be back again tomorrow from seven to eight on
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a SNAr foo when it came to an aeroplane. Some
fog cannons flames, oh all during the Harker that CEO
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of South Abury Rugby's issue and apology. Is that really
necessary anyway? We're going to talk to that subject with
Heney LaRue. Here's a name for you, former spring Bok
and ninety ninety five World Cup winner. Just plane flew
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I will talk to him about that about these distractions
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Then we'll take your calls of one hundred and eighty
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disrupting the Did they actually disrupt the harker? Do many
people still actually watch this or amine outlier? And the
fact that I wait to the action starts that I'm
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it's it's such a cool place to play rugby in Africa,
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That is.
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But for me, at the stage it's about having a
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today and it gives me a great pleasure here on
sports look on a news talking to zb to. Welcome
to the show, Henny LaRue, former spring Bot from way
back then, actually played for the Cats transfer rugby as
(04:26):
well and part of a players union. I think you're
a founder to Henny, so you're fairly steeped in rugby
and have been most of your life. Welcome to the program.
Speaker 7 (04:34):
Thank you very much, Darcy. It's kind of word. Yes, indeed,
we did have some interesting times and here I enjoyed
the privilege of also playing under New Zealand coach Laurie Maines,
whom I've got great respect for.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yeah, Laurie's friend of the programs joins us quite a lot.
I'm interested in your views on the apologies. I note
that you were actually at that legendary final playing in
the center role when Springboks rolled the All Blacks and
it was not too dissimilar because you had a plane
flying overhead.
Speaker 8 (05:06):
Two didn't ye.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Any So this is hardly news to what happened over
the weekend.
Speaker 7 (05:12):
Yeah. Look, the playing flying over seems to be placed
there for big events, and obviously South Africa playing New
Zealand is as big as you get. So yeah, it's
just a little unfortunate in this instance, unlike the ninety
five one, the timing was a little bit out.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Do you think that South African Rugby should have apologized
for that? Well, it looks like it was just an
oversight and a mistake more than anything else. Maybe overly
sensitive with that one.
Speaker 7 (05:40):
Any Oh, look, I think I think from a protocol perspective,
you know, I think it's the right thing to do.
You know, we've gone and played in France regularly, and
one kind of got the sense that some things would
done too. I must be careful of my wording yet,
but it seems as if, you know, things are done
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in the modern world and today to cause disruption, which
which falls outside of the protocol. You know, you have
people in the stands booing and shouting where in the
past used to be silence and respect to ever needed
his time. To kick and so forth. But but things
are changing fast and one doesn't want to be part
(06:27):
of that. Let's call it undisciplined and unreally behavior or change.
You know, I don't think generally from a sporting point
of view, that's good. But I would assume taking on
the public in these instances when everyone's charged up, is
a difficult thing to do. But when it falls on
(06:49):
on on protocol from a union, I think, you know,
they should respect, you know, whatever is to unfold. And
I think it's iconic, the all black war cry, and
that should be respected.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Something you'll face before. What did it mean to you
when you were staying in there? Because I know a
number of international rugby players it's part of the part
of the international career they really cherish any.
Speaker 7 (07:13):
Yeah, absolutely, you know, it's something very unique. It's not
something that that you get to do every every Saturday.
And you know, it started up with a lot of
emotion and drive and it's a it's a real, you know,
call to battle, so you know, you you you cherish
those opportunities and uh, you know, it's a very unique
(07:34):
and a straightforward, impactful way of saying, you know, let's
let's get onto it and yeah, you know that's that's
something that will always remain very very unique and special
when when you play New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
So what was your response when the haka was up
and suddenly the playing was over the top, then the
fireworks went off and the music started playing. Did you
have any particular reaction to that.
Speaker 7 (08:01):
Yeah, look, I mean obviously the timing was out. You
kind of recognized that it was really trying to understand
the source of it. I think South African Rugby was
was clear that that that it wasn't planned like that
and it was at an unfortunate event. So we got
to accept and you know, accept that as as as
(08:23):
an apology and yeah, it's it's it's sad, but you
know we've we've played again in France where they played
our national anthem completely incorrectly. So these things unfortunately happened.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, from a spring box scenes at Flat Half as well,
I might ad you kind of split your career, didn't you,
between both positions and of the arue joining the program.
You mentioned being polite, being respectful. I've never been to
Ellis Park. I don't know what's called now. Something to
do that aeroplane that flow over the top, it's always
going to be Elie Park. To me, they are a
ferocious crowd. They are a crowd that let you know
(08:59):
you're there. But in general, do you feel that the
crowd are a polite and respectful by to rugby goers.
Do that they enjoy the game they sit up there
in that respect.
Speaker 7 (09:10):
Yeah, Look, it's it's a real cosmopolitan type of center
of South Africa in the sense that you know, you
have a lot of different provinces representing players there. In
terms that it's it's the financial hub of South Africa.
So from that point of view, you know we've often played,
even from Alliance perspective, playing Western Province and then being
(09:32):
a big crowd of Western Province supporters in the stadium,
so you know there's there's all different walks of life
that end up in that stadium. And but yeah, when
when the national team plays, it's it's you know, everyone's
very passionate for South Africa and they do get behind
the team quite well. So yeah, it's it's very very special.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Kevin part friend of mine, has spoken with me on
this and he said, look, basically we're forgetting the point
of this is that the bomb squad turn up and
destroyed the All Blacks the last twenty minutes. I don't know,
we're worried about AKA for this is the biggest around here.
What actually happened at the end of the game, and
it was very efficient from South Africa. Talk to us
(10:18):
about what you saw there toward the end of that game,
what your emotion was.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
Yeah, look, it was post the intercept try we you know,
we were staring down at our shoes and saying, well
what now? But yeah, I think you know, the South
African team showed some class. There were one or two
players that started which was we're new to the squad
(10:43):
and so forth, and it was all about the ability
to pick up from there. And when the Bomb Squad
did come on, there was a sense of urgency and
I think they brought a slight different dimension to the
game and focused impact, which which also played a bit
of a role in changing the sentiment. And I think
(11:08):
it was effective enough to bring about the change, and.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Players like Cocker Smith for example, and Malcolm Marx pretty
hard to rain in. Do you think the All Blacks
invited them in? Do you think they may be backed
OFLF in that last fifteen or so minutes and maybe
weren't the frightening prospect that they used to have been,
because that's a narrative going around here at the moment. Henny.
Speaker 7 (11:29):
Look, I mean, one thing you can never underestimate or
downplay is the absolute emotion and gritten the determination of
anyone who puts an All Black jersey on. You know,
there's never a doubt in terms of the commitment there.
Whether there's the level of depth and skill currently within
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the all back makeup that was always there were present
in the past. You know, it's difficult to make that call,
but there's a sense that they probably don't have quite
the the level of big names that they used to
have in the past. I'm not sure. You know, the
(12:13):
game's also changed, become a lot more mobile and so forth.
That's brought about the changes in the nature and the
character of how people choose teams. But physical dominance is critical.
But the All Blacks had us, you know, on the
ropes for most of the game, so you know, I
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think it was it was probably just a timing thing.
And rightly as you say, you know, the change that
was made by the bomb squad that brought a new
fresh energy into the side and confidence.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
And Finally, Hena the Robin, thank you so much for
your time. It sets up next week beautifully, doesn't it.
This will be be even better. We'd like to think
the what we saw last week.
Speaker 7 (12:59):
Yeah no, certainly. Look as with South Africa, New Zealand
once once wounded, we saw the repercussions of what happened
after Argentina. So we're expecting a big word on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
It'll be bigger than Texas or should I say the
entire of the southern tip of the African continent. Henry
LaRue twenty seven times spring Bok. We thank you so
much for your time here on News Talks, ezb You
look after yourself.
Speaker 7 (13:26):
Absolute pleasure. Thanks Darcy forget.
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It's twenty minutes after seven. This is Sports Talk on
News Talks EB to have every gray the team that
you love to beat in cricket and in rugby and frankly,
if I had a team to play for my life,
I'd choose a South African team every day of the week,
hot as nails, love beating them and every South africon
(13:59):
I talked to on air, the most polite, generous, awesome character.
How deal with that? I can't any fantastic character twenty
seven tests played back in that famous final with a
jet flow over the top as well played for for
Lori Mains back in the day. There was some of
his points because so the South Africans apologized for the
(14:20):
distractions during the Harker. Now this isn't a talk about
the relevance of the Harker. Okay, We'll been there one
hundred times before. It doesn't matter where the South African's
right to apologize for disrupting it. This is the thing
here that there's two tracks I'd like to go down.
One of them is the speed at which they apologize
(14:46):
for disrupting the Harker. And I'm also interested in the
right of other teams and unions to essentially push back
at the Harker. Now that was a mistake, right, claiming
it was a mistake. The CEO Olholzen said, no, it
was a mistake. I got it horribly wrong. Couldn't see,
(15:07):
couldn't hear? Whatever do you have to apologize mistake? Going whoops,
we got that one wrong. I suppose it's a standard
fare as you need something I said. Somebody say I'm sorry,
I'm sorry you big forgiveness of everything.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Say okay, so.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Maybe it is fair. I wouldn't have bothered. And as
far as they're right, they claim it wasn't deliberate, and
it probably wasn't. But even if it was doesn't matter.
Do you'd imagine being at the ground you got the
Harker going on there, suddenly you got smoke, cannons going off,
firews going off, the music starts, a jet flies over
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the top. What a marvelous cacophony. But you'd know you're alive,
wouldn't you. Fantastic whoop whoop? A zero problem with it,
which takes me to the right for other teams and
unions to fight back, to push back against the Harker
in whichever way they choose. Remember the Arrowhead the English
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did Cockerrell standing up up to the Harker. I think
we should encourage it. It's all very well, this is
our traditions, is an all black tradition. That's marvelous, and
do it. That's great. But if another team decides they
want to fight back somehow and do something else, let
them go. It doesn't matter. No, it's all part of
the conflict before the game. Surely so were they write
to apologize? And do you think the team should be
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able to do what they want as far as pushing
back and try and deflate some of that so called
advantage eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Yes, they should be
able to push back, and well they apologize, but doesn't
matter now not really doesn't bother me in the slightest
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It's a text you lucky bastard duce and you get
to text some legends. Excellent shot, I do I've made
some cool people in the last couple of decades. Yeah,
not so bad. But let's move to the tet vernon.
(17:42):
Where do you stand on this one? Thanks for your time?
Speaker 8 (17:46):
Who do we think we are that we expect teams
to line up and listen to us do our tradition
and then let's I think we do it too much.
But that's a different conversation. They shouldn't need to apologize
because it's.
Speaker 9 (18:02):
Something that we do.
Speaker 8 (18:04):
They shouldn't be made to have to stand and respect
it because it is. It gives us what it used
to give us an advantage.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Well I'm with that. Look, if you want to stand
there and respect, that's great, But this is our culture
that we're taking somewhere else and we're putting it on
other people now that people out there that go it's
a part of rugby history. But I feel like that
they almost hold people to ransom in the crowd, saying
you better respect this otherwise there's going to be trouble.
(18:34):
I don't think outside of our shores people should be
expected to respect it. And that's fair, isn't it?
Speaker 8 (18:42):
Well it is, but I think I'm correct and saying
we only used to do the hard er on tour.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Away from Home. I was telling young producer dof that,
and when I used to get up the middle of
the night to watch the All Blacks, that was so.
Speaker 7 (18:56):
So like you.
Speaker 8 (18:57):
So unfortunately, was it anywhere at all anything that I
have these tho. The harker is that we get up,
we do all and we go mad and harker and
I'm up, but I'm beating my arms and when we
lose and all the time, but you know, we lose
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to actual tain of someone.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
And yeah, well Kevin Park seems to think that we're
really distracting or just distracting everyone from the fact that
we got rolled in the last ten minutes and it
really should never have happened. And there's a whole harker thing.
Yeah whatever, it pushed over to one corner. Well he
has some point, doesn't he.
Speaker 9 (19:39):
He does, he does.
Speaker 8 (19:41):
I just think this is a side show, and you
know that it shouldn't be an apology. It's not important
and the guy should just focus on how to combat
the bomb squad. And you find some big big boys
to come on at half time.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, well what they need to do is they need
to get a bomb diffusal squad to come on, because
when the bombs arrived, someone to diffuse the bomb. So
that's what Razor should be working on. My excuse me,
Scott Robertson should be working on now.
Speaker 9 (20:12):
Reagan, Hi, Yeah, hey Darcy, first time calling.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Thank you.
Speaker 9 (20:18):
I just want I just wanted to come three this evening.
I think the apology, because it came up so quickly,
became quite a distraction away from maybe the discussion around
that no tray and so all of a sudden that's
dominated the year where he's over the last couple of
days around the Hucker and I get it, but it's
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really caused kind of more conversation around that than even
talking about maybe where that no tray was.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
That was an hour a disaster. I don't think it
affected the outcome of the game. I really don't happen
too early, but it was a disaster, Reagan. When you
think about it, how much time do they spend going
back over tape illegally? I might add what five phases
to find a transgression to wipe out a try in
the World Out Final took exactly months. And in this
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we could all say it and they didn't even go
they could take a look it's laughing.
Speaker 9 (21:16):
I agree, And I think that's why it's not on
the airways at the moment, because we've been distracted by
this other's point and when it was the last time
South Afriga apologized on the Monday for something that had
really no relevance in terms of the impact in the
game itself. I understand about the impact of the hutter,
but in itself, I don't know if that's a really
big talking points. He made us talk about it.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Well, he doth protest too much because it was so fast, Right,
what are you hiding? Maybe we did do it deliberately.
Speaker 9 (21:47):
Well interesting, So there hasn't been a lot of conversation
around it, though, And I just wanted to highlight that
because I think possibly they came out, they raised the
story about the hutter, they got into apologize, they talked
about things they wouldn't do next week. But I certainly
think we're talking about that instead of what may have
happened that true.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Reagan, thanks very much for your time, Thanks for expressing it,
Thanks for bringing us up. Oh one hundred and eighty
ten eighty. If you want to be involved, please do
get I.
Speaker 10 (22:15):
En Oh good evening, Darcy. Things are looking very dull
lately for me. I can't quite understand what's going on
in the world out there. But this ka, you know,
it's I know, it's a it's a New Zealand type
of thing. It's before every game and they do this,
(22:38):
and all of a sudden, I get after every game
I didn't see the game on, said, you know, and
I hear this straight away on the radio. Oh, they've
got to apologize. They've they've got to do this and
they've got to do that. And I thought, well, look,
these are the spring boxt they're big guys, they're strong guys,
they're good rugby players. They're playing a game. They won
(23:00):
the game, give it away. Just get into the next
one and see what happens again.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Mate, what do you think they apologize so quick? I look,
there's I can't put a conspiracy there out there. I
just found it like our last corps did. Odd.
Speaker 10 (23:17):
Yeah, it's just odd that they seem to want to
make teams apologize after the Harker or I mean with
the plane thing, it sounded to me like what time
does the plane take off from New Zealand, say Wellington?
You know, and this goes every hour.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I think the timing is tough to remember. There was
kaka beforehand for the recently departed Marty King, and I
mean maybe that just blew the timing out of a
wee bit so when the plane arrived, they kind of
figured it would have been over by them, but it wasn't.
I mean, I don't know. Maybe i'm macnimic, but I
don't think the All Blacks or the players. I think
a couple of players made some kind of made some
(23:55):
mention about it, saying it's not exactly was it, Damien McKenzie,
you not really know about that. I don't think they
were disturbed or worried, And you can tell by the
way they accepted the apologies, like oh really, okay, yeah, fine, sweet,
we'll see next week. They're more interested. And could you
please apologize to us for beating the snot out of
us in the last fifteen minutes because that really hurt
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our Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty lines are open
nineteen ninety as ZBZB the text line high mark.
Speaker 11 (24:24):
There you go.
Speaker 9 (24:25):
That's a quick worry. Yeah, of course it was on purpose,
you know, of course, you know, I mean.
Speaker 12 (24:32):
The plane flying over might have been, you know, leaving
after they had five weeks of music on you.
Speaker 13 (24:38):
But that first try.
Speaker 12 (24:41):
Was very costly for us.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Well, no, but the team came back and we're leading
by ten and had them round and they just lost
their minds.
Speaker 9 (24:52):
Yeah, we don't.
Speaker 12 (24:53):
We didn't lose their mind. But if that trial wasn't award,
you take the unofficial score would have been twenty seven
twenty six up. So that try and then was actually
quite critical in the game and message turning point shouldn't
have been awarded.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
But yeah, I think if they had five minutes to go,
maybe a bit more going. Wow, that's not good. But
it happens toward the start of the game and you
and and the All Blacks had it in hand. They
just failed to deal with the bomb squad and made
some really poor decisions down the stretch.
Speaker 12 (25:24):
But I mean that that point of the game was actually,
in the end of it was very very critical.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Yea, And well, well, I hope so.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
I think it's going to make for a mark Thanks
for your call. A lot of people tuning in you hear, hear?
How are you gonna Are you gonna hijack it this
time around? A Springers, what are you gonna do it?
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Now?
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Twenty five minutes? The eight lines are open. Love your
thoughts and calls on this. Well, were they right to apologize?
I suppose they did. They have to, did anyone demand that.
I don't know if anyone did, did they? I don't
know what your gut feeling was when you said that
you got this is a travesty. We need an apolo.
How do you or did you go? Whoa look at
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that explosions, Harker aeroplanes music. This is madness. This is
madness like something at a three hundred. Should they apologize?
And what about the right to push back when you're
doing the Harker? When the All Blacks are performing the
Harker had hay, same with the Tall Blacks and every
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other team that does it. If you're doing it in
someone else's backyard, surely that they should be allowed to
do whatever they want in response, you know, do we
have to be held to ransom that we must respect
your culture because actually you're in our backyard. We'll do
what we want. It's fair, right. Eighty twenty five minutes
to eight. This is a sports talk on you still.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Trees, God love you.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
For stalk care on Newstalk ZB eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty text nineteen nine two. That's zb ZB. That's
this for a text? They does you know it's not
going to happen because it would damage the AB's brand.
But what do you think the reaction would be if
we stopped doing the Harker when we tour. Wow didn't
(27:29):
think about that. I think that would reverberate, would it not?
Around the rugby playing world anyway, Let's get to the phones.
Much more important than text, with all due respects to
your texts. So I'm much more interested in the telephone calls.
Speaker 14 (27:40):
George l Ayll, this is that guy that rang a
while back, who ten years ago married that woman who
was a rugby buffrom. Now I've learned that rugby is
bull rush for the ball.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
No, I think, yeah, it's a bit more. It's a
bit slightly more culture than just bull that's rugby league.
Speaker 14 (28:00):
Get sophisticated bull rush for the ball.
Speaker 11 (28:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 14 (28:03):
But anyway, the game I watched it and Harker, I
think that's probably the first time the All Blacks have
had a crowd that's actually yelled and screamed and cheered
and jeered at them while fire works has actually gone
off while they're still doing it, and they played music,
and there's you know, from the from the viewpoint of
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the players and the fuel, total disrespect.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, but I don't think that just but we go
to someone else's house and go by the way this
is what I believe, and start laying it on them
at the dinner table.
Speaker 14 (28:39):
But if it was a Mary's tribe doing a harker
to another married tribe, they would be doing a harker
that they would have no respect for the harker.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
That would be That's a that's a very different circumstance
as opposed to being a touring rugby team who are
using this ceremonial challenge to start their game off. And
I honestly don't think the players would have been bothered.
They all loved it. The more noise and craziness and
chaos going around, and the better it would. Zero win
(29:13):
on it, says a guy who's never done a hakka
playing international sport. But I'm I'm just presuming that right. Anyway,
Let's move on to our next call. George, thanks for calling. Hey, Conrad,
how are you?
Speaker 11 (29:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (29:24):
Hi?
Speaker 4 (29:25):
They No, I think it's nothing to do with us,
all the players or anything. I think it is internally
within South Africa. There's been people piping up about it
in hindsight, so I mean, I mean, let's imagine, I
think some people in Africa are thinking the reverse. They
say that those are tribe or whatever. Did a dance
that was a traditional African tribe dance over here in
(29:47):
New Zealand for the Pacifica Festival, and just as they started,
aig is playing just over above about hundred meters. Not
sure they would go down too well in Africa, No.
Speaker 7 (29:59):
Maybe not.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
But if it's for in a rugby game, grant that.
If it was a cultural, you know, coupa haka situation,
you know you'd be rightly upset. But if it's if
you want to show respect, yeah you can. But I
don't think it should be demanded. Am I a horrible person? Conrad?
Speaker 4 (30:18):
No, no, no, no, I kind of disagree a little
bit because, like I'm thinking, well, my reason for why
they've apologize is entirely within Africa, That's the first point
I'm making. So in other words, elements of their society
have piped up about it because it looked bad on
TV or whatever, So that's the reason for the apology.
It's it's the game or anything else. But yeah, I
(30:39):
just pretty slightly. I think if the reverse was the situation,
and they were doing some kind of African war, tribe
dance at Eden Park and there was a mass of
playing suddenly when I was timed exactly. Then they're the
elements within our society saying we should apologize to them.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Very good point, Conrad, and well made. No, I'm here
to learn and to create conversation. Honestly, twenty three years.
I don't get it right all the time. In fact,
I don't get it right a lot of the time.
But it doesn't matter. It's all about exchanging ideas so
we grow right. Yes, Hi, Jeff.
Speaker 11 (31:16):
Darcy, I just sort of comment on a couple of
things there. One of them I was at the ninety
five game when that seven four seven flew overhead. And
the thing is the Ellis Park Stadium lies between two
very busy airports, Lanceria and our Tambo, and to get
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the plane flying over there, it takes quite a bit
of air traffic control. So maybe people should give him
some slack for messing up. If they did mess up
for the timing, it's quite something to do. But another
thing I want to mention, though, is you had a
caller earlier on and it's almost like New Zealand needs
(31:58):
to give an apology to South Africa. This whole perception
that Bongis try wasn't a try and All Blacks would
have won if this try.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Well, I don't think they would have won. I don't
think it's anything to a final result. I don't don't
add as too early.
Speaker 11 (32:17):
Well, that guy's are yeah, I know you've got a
good point on that, and that's true too, But that
guy's arithmetic is wrong because that happened when there was
an advantage being played. So you had the choice of
the All Blacks losing by four if he got the try,
or two if the penalty would have been put over.
(32:37):
So you know, you can't say I think, I don't.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I don't think. I think most sensible people Jeff wouldn't
look to that and go that was the winning and
the losing of the game. The winning and the losing
of the game was the bomb squad came on and
New Zealand absolutely failed to deal with that, and they
played some pretty stupid rugby. That's the problem right there.
But as far as the it wasn't a try, I mean,
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everybody could see.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
That he dropped it.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I'm stunned at that can go back and every decent
look when they spend so much time forensically going through
Did the guy touch that ball for a knock on
eight phases ago? It just makes no sense, does it.
Speaker 11 (33:17):
Yeah, No, I agree entirely with you about the last
twenty minutes. They all black gave it away with the indiscipline.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
And I know it's not an all Black thing. They
don't fall apart in the lot. Normally in the last
ten minutes they'll come back from twelve down and beat you.
Speaker 11 (33:32):
It's very odd anyway. We wait for the game in
I'll be watching lovedly. Oh yeah, will be the best
the best side.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Absolutely, you know, and you deal with it. Sometimes you win,
sometimes you lose. Sometimes you get bad calls. Sometimes an
aeroplane flies over the Okay, relax, gooda Paul, how are you?
Speaker 15 (33:56):
That's how you go mate?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Very well, I think.
Speaker 15 (34:01):
Okay, So I'm not interested in sideshow stuff. What I'm
looking at is our no rugby coach by any stretch.
But as a team we're a superior team to South Africa.
There is no question running the ball. If you look
(34:21):
at the second Test against Argentina, we blew them away
in the first half and then started to kick the
ball in the second half and scored one trying. Now
look at this test and we have Damien McKenzie in
the box and we're ahead, and here is fifteen meters
back putting bombs in the air. We can't kick and
(34:42):
we never recover that ball when we run the ball.
That's how we run these big blokes into the ground.
Even if you go on sideways, you've still got the ball.
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Giving the ball back all the time was odd.
Speaker 15 (34:58):
They are kicking it away, but that's the.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Defense of mechanism going Hey, we're a head by team.
If we keep them back there, we should be okay.
And if you get into that mindset of defending a lead,
you've finished. You can't do that.
Speaker 11 (35:13):
You are finished.
Speaker 15 (35:14):
You are finished. And what you've got to do is
how did you get there in the first place. Oh,
that's right by running the football. You run that ball
that rugby will go side to side and goes forward
and backwards, but never kick it. We kick it against
them in this next test we lose.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Stop giving them the ball.
Speaker 11 (35:34):
Stop it.
Speaker 15 (35:35):
That bomb squad is nothing. If it comes on Ireland,
you go and have a look at some of their
tests against them that they won, and the bomb squad
and what they've done is stood deep and run straight
at them and that ball will always beat a big man,
doesn't matter if the size of a five braaks.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Will you look, Paul at the the transfer of the
passing in that first twenty minutes. It was exceptional, the
accuracy and the speed with which they went about their business.
They were shocked and all they didn't know what to do.
Speaker 7 (36:08):
It was so quick.
Speaker 15 (36:09):
Keep it going like that, Darcy. We were employed their
professionals and they're good at it, and we have decided
to kick on fide them anyway, see you, Darce, Good.
Speaker 14 (36:21):
On you, Paul.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Thanks very much for your words. It is twelve minutes
to eight. More of your course still to come. Plenty
of texts. I'll run through a few of them. I'd
rather hear you voice. The three phone number nationwide here
in New Zealand O eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
That is the number to call. This is news talk
to EB. My name is Darcy. Go on, give us
a ring boots eight away from eight Test match number two,
(37:17):
same time, three in the morning. Alliot Smith with the
call from Cape Town, neib you'll find an iHeartRadio. You
get that too promises so much the Snakes fixture after
the All Blacks really saw their bed sheets at the
end of that game, lit all credit to the bomb
score for doing what they're doing. But wow, that's not
(37:38):
All Blacks Rugby what they did there, It really isn't.
He's an idea for you. What we need to do
is need to start with the bench, so you run
them first, see what they can do, and then toward
the end of the game, like you know, the end
of the first half, then you get rid of your
bench and you bring your best players on and they
can run to the end of the game because they
can deal with the pressure.
Speaker 7 (37:58):
Right.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
People would say Robertson was insane if he did something
like that, but hey, why not would you? Anyway, let's
get back to the good John. How are you hi?
Speaker 13 (38:10):
All good?
Speaker 11 (38:11):
What's up?
Speaker 13 (38:13):
That's just when I have recorded on that the hacker.
Everybody's like worried about what happens when we go to sea,
you say and records to Mark. We know I've got
a real good answer. Don't anybody want to know? You know,
we keep the are you we go of fees? We
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got to show our you know, what's.
Speaker 7 (38:41):
Doesn't it doesn't John.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
It doesn't mean to say that people and opposing plate.
Your line is terrible too, by the way, running it
really idear what you're saying. I don't think you can
make people respect what you do. You speak of something
that you did you earn. I mean, it's not something
you demand. Surely it said Di sec in the idea
of only during the home games, this character said, you
(39:05):
need to smash them and keep smatching them. That's the
way you beat the spring box. I like this from
Lisa Darcy. Everyone knows what hacker is, but karakia is
little known. The South African's probably intended to honor the
hakker with the fly, but what is this katakia? The
South Africans possibly thought an apology may have been appropriate
(39:28):
as they overlook the significance of the kuta key at Lisa,
thank you. I like your style, and possibly if the
katakia was before the Hacker, the timing was all wrong.
It took a couple of extra minutes in By that stage,
you've got this wapping great bird and someone's like tagged
the name of an airline underneath it, and I go
and that that's messy. So is it their fault? I
(39:51):
don't know, but Lisa, I really like the way you're
the way you're thinking.
Speaker 14 (39:53):
Thinks.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
So much for that, Darcy. I'm a bit disappointed that
you hate the Harker. It's part of our makeup. You
told Heather you don't bother to watch it, but it's
a challenge. And when you face it as a challenge that, yeah,
but you see must not challenging me and I don't
hate it at all. It sends chills as better my cloud.
I once said, it really does. But I don't have
(40:16):
to watch it. I'm more interested in the rugby. I
don't watch a lot.
Speaker 11 (40:22):
Of the.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Fluff around the outside of rugby matches and in the
middle either when they have those electric on field interviews.
How do you feel? What are you doing the second half?
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Are you?
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Why go to the fridge and get myself a beer?
Much better idea. But thanks for your thoughts anyway, Darcy,
why are you doing? You're trying to wind up and said,
I'm not trying to wind up anyone, uns I'm just
I am just telling people what I think. That's what
my job is. Chris writes, who says countries actually have
to give it respect or silence when it's in their
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country and in their culture to perceived that if we
get an advantage by doing the hanger, I reckon they're
within their rights that do whatever they want to nullify that. Chris,
I'm with you on that one. Look bum rushing the
stage and hitting them with sticks, you can't do that.
It's not good. But if people want to boo and
shout and whistle or turn around and point their backs
to them, do it. It's not about their reaction, It's
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about your internal strength. This is why the all Blacks
do it. This is their show of their strength if
they're looking for some kind of reaction. Got it all wrong, Chris,
also right. What was worth was the drowning out of
the Marti tribute to the Mardy King prior to the Hucker. Christian,
I don't think that was the Katakia that people quite
(41:44):
understood what that was. And then that's understandable they didn't know.
I'd say most South African's probably had no idea there
was a Marty King. It's disrespectful, it's just that didn't know. Anyway,
that's it for this conversation. I've got so many more texts.
I'm sorry I can't get them. All out, But so
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be it, I think for joining us, I'm Darcy water Grave.
Bandy Duff holds my hand, tells me everything's going to
be okay. When we leave the studio, he burps me
from time to time. Sorry, debit, stupid ladies and gentlemen.
I'll be back again tomorrow from seven to eight on
(42:25):
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