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on the piece. And the black cat's bowling all round her,
just about to climb on the plane and disappear off
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to the Middle Ish East. There are going to be
playing Afghanistan over an India senior statesman excuse me, and
we'll talk to him about the tour, his role in
that tour as well. We're going to kick the show
off with a bit of Josh Kornfelt action. Josh corsa
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former All Black part of the ninety six All Black
Tour to South Africa. So he knows what touring is
all about. He knows the strength of touring, he knows
the upsides of tour are there any downside. I suppose
we'll find out. Josh Croonnfeld joins us shortly, and then
we're going to take your thoughts on this return to
the good old days. I fall tours you in for
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this is this something you go? You know what we need?
This opposed to this wham bam, thank you man, insta
series that we've got right now, fly in, play, flyout.
This is great. This is what we need, This is
what we want. How it gets fitted into our program,
I've got no idea, but that's not my job. Josh
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Cromfeld joins us next to talk about that. But before
we get into that realm, let's get amongst this one today.
And it's sport today, Damien Mackenzie, the grinning pivot has
let loose another term that may well steal the march
on another favored rugby term, learnings progressions. That's where it's at.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Now, the progressions we're making throughout the season so far,
we're getting a bit every week. So although we don't
like losing, it's exciting to see what's to come throughout
the rest of you.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Like it's a word that's kind of unnecessary. What about
progress anyway? Our black cap skip. Tim Salvey has shouldered
arms to the inevitable Taliban Afghanistan question before his team departs.
We just move onions like you need to ask someone
in power about the ICC's contrary women's cricket edicts.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
This is decision that he's in a cricket made in
the players Association.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
And us as players. We've just head to buy into that. So, yeah,
it's a decision that he's in a cricket of mate.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Yeah, I'm above my pay grade. Not me, talk to
someone else. I'm getting on the plane. Paralympic flag of
Eric Emon Leslie has been refreshingly blunt around his performance
in the pool so far.
Speaker 7 (03:33):
I can't ditch the kids to do extra training and
stuff like that. I'm not okay with that. My values
don't align with it. So I'm churning up doing the
same time as what I've done pretty much the whole cycle.
So I've stayed the same, and everyone else has sort
of growing an arm leg and done everything as you'd
expect them to be.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Changing Dad first athlete second and Mama Mia Mottu's coach
Isaac peaches all over, peaking for the moment ahead of
her multi belt fight set for later in the year.
Excitements for what the word is is, we're all just
really excited and really excited for mea to do.
Speaker 7 (04:06):
I think it's a big step for people to see
that you can come from nothing and you can become something.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
And what's sport today? Seven it is So it's not absolute,
rubber stamped official this is going to happen, but it's
as good ass because South African rugby of kind of city.
This is happening, the return of the tour. South Africay
come here and go up and down the Matsu with
their gang of big gnulled Fords in the bomb squad,
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beat up on the All Blacks from time to time,
smash a few provinces, maybe lose to a couple, go
home again. Fantastic, Great for the expat South Africans that
are over here, great for the provincial sides, great for
the All Blacks. And then four years we head over
there and do exactly the same thing. It's an old
school tour and those of you long enough in the
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teeth that remember that will be going. This is what
we want. This is rugby as it should be. This
is not a event based. Let's go for a game
and fly out the next day. This has got so
much going for it. And old rant on about that
later on the piece before I ask you to climb
on in. But before we do that, let's talk to
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a bloke has actually been there, done that. His name's
Josh Cranfield, a former All Black part of the successful
ninety six tour to South Africa. Hey, Josh, how are
you made? It's a kind of a return to the
good old days, isn't it? Does this give you like
the warm fuzzies? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (05:36):
Look, I mean initially, I mean I think they said
it was going to be the last of the tours
because of obviously the way the championship and the various
different cups that they had from that period, the way
Vesionals was going, and so it kind of felt kind
of neat to be part of that last sort of
system and also, you know, to have the win that
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we did. But when you look at it now, because
the South Africans aren't in our super competition, that asked
the question, are we just seeing from what we understand
is high level competitive rugby? And so to reintroduce it
and have that connection, you know, have more games, it's
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probably not a bad thing. It'll probably also mean that,
all right, we'll have the Tours, but we'll have midweek
games too, I'm assuming anyway. But those midweek games could
be as precious as the tests.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
That's what I think. The fact that you get guys
that dirt trackers or whatever they call them in your
day to get to go over there and experience being
in a group like the All Blacks for a few
weeks time and playing at that different level, it gives
you so many more arrows to your quiver, doesn't it
when you move on and up. It's kind of necessary
and long forgotten.
Speaker 8 (06:51):
Yeah, I've got I think it makes sense going forward.
We need to stay competitive and I think everybody will
agree that not having South Africa and now you know
the franchise rugby has made a difference and it has
had an impact on quality of the rugby that are
getting exposed to. And if you're playing the top teams
week and week out and playing at the level, it
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brings everyone else up to whether the benchmarkers and so
going forward, Yes, I think the Tours a great idea
and maybe it'll rein ignite some of the love and
the passion and the excitement of the nineties rugby to me,
you know, when I speaking to a few of the
boys that it was a bit of a golden period
of rugby. I thing, you know, just in terms of
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the turnouts, the crowds, the build ups, the excitement that
seemed to go into whatever city or town that you're
involved in, and it's some of that stuff sort of
fallen by the way with rugby I feel, you know,
can I say that on my being a been a
bit bit rude to the game at the moment.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Josh, you can say whatever you want. That's what we've
got on the radio. Josh Cronfell didn't join us. I
don't think too many people out there will disagree with you.
Maybe getting up in the middle of the night to
watch it tour over several weeks might not encourage a
lot of people, but the opposite is then when the
Springboks come here and go up and down the nation.
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I think what you're talking about is sitting a touch
paper off, getting a fire going in for a tour,
because the enthusiasm behind that is I meant, especially in
the provinces.
Speaker 8 (08:25):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, I was fortunate enough
to win when a Springbok hit and and I'm assuming
they'll bring that back and that that's pretty special too,
to have that new trophy cabinet, no, you know, I
know for a Tigo at that particular time, I felt
like we were building into a special sort of phase
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of rugby in that period and that was just the
start for me, you know, it was that Springbok. I
remember Gordon Hunter, you know, having that under his arm
and you know, proud as punch, you know, and that's
that's kind of what led me to be being an
all back too. So it's you know, I'd love to
see that sort of stuff. It's got a romantic I
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add to it too, doesn't it, you know, like the
historical all of that sort of stuff. And to have
another team go over there and when in South Africa
a traditional tour, that that sounds pretty epic to me.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
What about the development of players, Josh and the development
of that second tier simply being with a full all
black squad and learning as the weeks go on about
what it meant to be an all Black and not
not necessarily just in playing style, but everything that encompasses
wearing that ferm.
Speaker 8 (09:37):
It is massive and it is cool too, you know,
like you do get a bit of an US and
them sort of concept going on, and there's a few
people floating between the test team and the midweek team,
but that's that's competition of old you know, like and
because you're in the mix and you're training alongside of
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these guys and you're playing and you're.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Just on that front, you see how.
Speaker 8 (10:05):
You can bring yourself up to that next level and
what's expected, and you see how your test players build
into the week and you start to emulate some of
those good qualities and you take your game from where
it was and find a way to sneak in in
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the back door I guess to getting a test opportunity.
And you can do that by playing well during those
midweek games, and the club sides that you end up playing,
you know, whether it was Natal or whoever it is
or here like in New Zealand, they rise for the
occasion as well, so that you end up seeing quite
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great spectacles of rugby as well, you know, because you've
got a midweek team that's just trying to do something
special to try and get as many as their players
into that Test side, and then you've also got the
team that you're playing against, trying to do something special
and festive, to try and unhinge it and get a
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win over the All Blacks.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
You know, it is quite.
Speaker 8 (11:10):
Unique and special.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
The right call is your call on eight d eighty
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Speaker 2 (11:21):
Very special. It's a word that John Hart, who actually
coached the All Blacks in that success from onely six
til you used to use quite a Remember that special
special that was Josh Cronfeld open sided flank air back
in the day for New Zealand experience the tour, both
ends of it. One when his Otargo team managed to
roll the spring Box when they were on tour over here,
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and of course ninety six there were four tests that year.
The first time was the end of the championship and
then the next three were that series that the All
Blacks won two to one and created all sorts of records.
It was quite extraordinary. I remember it fondly. It was
back in the day when I could actually stay up
for matches and watch them not fall asleep. That's how
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fondly I remember that. So it's happening again. It's as
good as done. It's not uber official yet hasn't got
the seal of approval. But for all intensive purposes, this
is happening again. It's four year cycle, so it's kind
of we really only get them over here once every
eight years? Oh really?
Speaker 9 (12:23):
Is that it?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Once every eight years? I suppose once every eight years.
It means when the tour does come, it'll sell out
right up and down the country, right, won't it. They
won't play super teams, they'll play provincial sides and as
I don't know what's going to happen in the Republic
because I'm not over there, but I expect it to
be very similar. The tour will build momentum, the crowds,
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the media, the rugby public will be entertained for week
after week after week, so the crowds get exposure to
the players, the players get exposure to the South African
way of playing. The player development is immense, its specially
when they travel over to the Republic as a big
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touring party, learning what it's like to be an all black,
learning what it means to be an all black not
only playing, but actually how you hold yourself, how you
carry yourself. During that time, the information gleaned in hotel
rooms off of the older players by the young bucks invaluable.
When the Springboks tour here, the recognition of the players,
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it will burn into our consciousness because they're there, they're
in front, they're on TV, they're in the papers at
the moment. Yep, there's a continuum with the Springbok side.
So we know a great deal of the players, but
I already see them enough. So this way it encourages
some way of recognizing and knowing and feeling like we
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know our enemy. I can't see how we lose here.
To me, this is absolutely tremendous. Go on, tell me
I'm wrong. I really don't think I am.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
I think this is the news we all want it.
It's not often you can turn the clock back and
actually end up with a better result than you've got currently.
But what's happened in the last few years it's all to.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Instant, and a tour is non instant. It's something that
percolates over the time, and it's sorely needed for rugby. Okay,
there are some bad points. What happens to the Australians,
what happens to the Argentines, what happens to the championship
during the time oay, that's for World rugby to sort out.
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But for me, the return to this style of rugby
is brilliant. It's exceptional. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Tell me why this won't work, Tell me why you
think this would be a failure, or you might want
to agree with me and climb on. And I think
it's a it's a no loose situation. If there's such
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a phrase, extraordinarily encouraging, great for the game, great for
the public. Our eight one hundred eighty ten eighty. Keen
on this right, this is something you're going to grab
with both hands. And I'm looking outside of the main
sentence because they're going to benefit from this. Well, I hope, so,
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I hope. So twenty one after seven lines are open.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Whakatha were leading North
in fourteen five thirty minutes gone on an NPC game.
We keep you up to date with that as well.
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty. The tours, how good as
they say, give us a all I love to check.
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No need for the TMO.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
We've got the breakdown on Sports Talk cal eight hundred,
News Talk.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Favor twenty five and his sports look on News Talk ZB.
I'm Darcy'd love to chat with you. One hundred and
eighteen ten eighty three for number nationwide. Give it a
whirl like this tourist thing, the old school tours gives
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you the warm fuzzies, right, surely it does. I can
only see good. It might expand even further, so much
so that the rugby Championship just gets taken out the back.
See you later. Constant touring. Maybe maybe that might work.
What do you reckon, Tony.
Speaker 7 (17:06):
Does?
Speaker 10 (17:08):
Yeah, just just one aspect of it as the opportunity
for provincial teams or whatever teams that play the spring
Bots to get to win a spring bok yead if
they get a victory, goes up in the club room.
Is there forever?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
That's what I tiger I did back in ninety four.
Speaker 10 (17:31):
That's that's you know what what what on that? That's
that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
As far as the future though, would that tear apart
the championship and does that really matter? Is this the
way of the future.
Speaker 10 (17:47):
It would be around long enough to be able to
isolate something likeness and recognize it what it is. And
that's it's just a really unique opportunity. They have these
guys literally moving around in your community. You know, you
go somewhere out for dinner or whatever, and there's they're
all sitting there having dinner, and it's I think it's
I think there's no need at all bo the And I.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Think as far as the next generation coming through, and
we shouldn't concentrate too much on the next generation. It's
like we matter too. But as far as an aspirational
situation where the team tours up the country and the
All Blacks and the All Blacks dirt trackers are involved too,
and people can see their heroes, I don't think you
can underestimate the power of that for the future of rugby.
Speaker 10 (18:33):
Right well, the game by a memorable victory and uh
in a province and everything that goes with it. You know,
it's it's more than likely can steer steer yachts into
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the game as opposed in it.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Would it work the same if Australia to it here
once every few years, Tony, what do.
Speaker 10 (19:01):
We what do we get? We'll beat? The odds would
be the others. You know, the spring box, you beat
the spring box old folk and as I said, you
got that plush springbock hiads sitting on the sitting on
the wall every time you go into your club room.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
If you beat them, Mind and Tony, if you beat them, that's.
Speaker 10 (19:24):
Yeah, one an opportunity to then if you want something
to get up for there, you get up for that.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
And I think the crowds and the locals and everybody
else get up for that too. It is a little
retrospective going back to tours what it was. Well, I
don't know how many people actually agreed in the first
stage to get rid of them. And there's when professional
has turned up. They've got all new and fangled, and
suddenly it became about these new artificial competitions, which were
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great for a while, but then slowly the soul of
rugby started to rot and now he was such suation.
We rather seeing the All Blacks over to somewhere in
Idaho to play a game on a grid iron because
they were expanding the game. When like we saw with
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Super Rugby, the expansion of the game, the speed of
the expansion of the game ended up destroying the game.
They had a rain of that back in again and
pulled it all back in again. So maybe this is
a way to re establish rugby in New Sell now
though only have an inbound tour once every eight years, right,
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four year change? That won't be enough. So the next
step and you're the fans out there, could there be
because you've got the British and Nicie lines to it.
Twelve years you've got the South African tour? Would there
be room for an Australian tour? Would that reinvigorate Australian rugby?
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Would you pay to go and see that if the
Aussies turned up for four weeks and built some momentum
in the way they played the game? Would data trackt
you do? Do? We need to check out the championship
and go you know what? It was nice at the time,
but it doesn't matter. We need to change our eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. You love your thoughts on this?
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Hi Ben oh?
Speaker 11 (21:25):
Hi Darcy?
Speaker 2 (21:26):
How you go?
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Good? What's on your mind?
Speaker 11 (21:29):
Darcy? I agree with you. I think tours are really fabulous.
And when the British and Irish Lions were here, my
brother and I we went to games all around the country,
went to the first came up and Finn that day
went to two of the Tests or the Martis and
R and you just current beat. Like you say, they're
building atmosphere.
Speaker 12 (21:47):
Of a tour.
Speaker 11 (21:48):
It's just it's just fantastic.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Well, there's storylines, aren't there being because you get to
know the players as they go through and all the
press conferences, and you really build an affinity or a
hatred for them as it develops. But it means more
people buy into what's going on because of the consistency
of their absolutely.
Speaker 11 (22:08):
And I think, I mean, let's face it, the All
Blacks and the spring Box the two of the giant forces.
Speaker 12 (22:14):
Of world rugby.
Speaker 11 (22:15):
And I think there's the potential with regular tours alternating
between New Zealand and South Africa, we could create the
rugby equivalent of the Ashes in cricket. I mean, the
Ashes is its own thing, it's separate from everything else
in cricket. And I think we've got the potential between
New Zealand and South Africa to create a rugby equivalent
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where every two years an alternating tour between South Africa
and New Zealand becomes one of the pinnacle things to
the whole world.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
To follow being I could hug you. This is a
great phone call. I love the way you're thinking and
why not what would you call it though?
Speaker 11 (22:54):
I don't know, you'd have to come up with something
like the Ashes. You'd have to come up with, you know,
a Nelson Mandala Trophy or something that would would mean
a lot and you know, kind of had global impacts.
But I think this could just be to just build
over time and become something that's that's you know, equivalent
and just about as important as the World Cup to
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all black players and to Spring Black players. So it's
a unique opportunity with with you know how good our
team and the Springbok teams and how much it means
to New Zealand and South African fans.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
On you've ben, thanks so much for your contribution to
the program. Well worth it, mate, Thanks for yours your
ashes style? Would it get that traction globally? Kerrie?
Speaker 12 (23:37):
Hi, Morning evening, Darth, how are we?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yeah? Good morning evening either or afternoon whatever you want?
Not fast, but everything.
Speaker 12 (23:47):
I love that. I absolutely love that. I think, you know,
being of forty years old and remembering the old tours
of that used to come around to the MPC side,
I think it's going to be brilliant for you know,
your locals, your Bayer Plenties, your cut an Aki, your
Mano were two. I think you get the Ausies over.
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I think you know, you get your your cargo that
demolished an Australian tour team. You know that's the previous
previous caller that he said, you put the spring block
head on the on the club room. I'll chuck up
a kangaroo head up on a club room. Any do
get brilliant again.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
The association with the players and the fact that I
think the Australians it would probably do them more good
than it would us because of the frequency of the exchanges.
And when we go over there, same thing. Spread the
words stop trying to be so global, get amongst your
own backyard, which I mean it's a bit of a
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distant backyard South Africa, but your southern hemisphere yard.
Speaker 12 (24:53):
Yeah, and I think it's people need to see the
benefits that it both brings a to the the economy.
If you want to talk politics, but be to the
all blacks, because all of a sudden it comes back
to all black and an all black b side. You know,
you're running the Invincibles incredible sort of thing again, and
all of a sudden you can be playing multiple tests
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around the country instead of he's one off things that's
you know, let's not talk about South again.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
But will they fly in, they stay in the hotel,
then they run away again. You don't get the buy
in from the crowds. I think two is a special light.
Speaker 12 (25:30):
You don't and you want to. You know, I'm sick
and tired of seeing the captain with a Wellington game empty.
You know, I don't want to see that. So let's
take it out to the provinces, you know, let's take
it to the levins and things like this. When you
can play, you can fill a stadium and the crowd's
going mental and it's just great. And you know, you
get an old school team that rocks over a second
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fifteen Australian team or a South African team that's brilliant.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Well, you had some big major tests in the big
major centes where you're going to attract the big crowd
to the big stadium, absolutely, But outside of that, you've
got to go elsewhere. And I think you've got to
go to where super rugby isn't as far as the
size of the stadiums and what you do, I don't
know around that space. But you need to drag the
nation and they need to know that the All Blacks
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are their team and there's no greater Well, if you're there,
they know you are. It's pretty obvious, right, Yeah.
Speaker 12 (26:26):
Well the ends are. It has to be front and
center that rugby is a sport is sort of in
a bit of a decline. So the best way to
kick it in the back of you have to say,
is take it out to the regions, out to the
areas that have more history in rugby than anywhere else.
You know, take it out. Get to get the All
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Blacks back into the old provincial teams. You know, the
guys that maybe don't make the first Affine or the
first twenty starting squad. Get them back playing for Taranaki.
You imagine if all three Barretts turned out for Taranaki
again Australia.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
They probably didn't. But when when you look at the
fact you've got these blacks are part of the widest
squad and they basically just polished boots and picked their
names for three months. Right, they don't do any They're carrying.
Speaker 12 (27:13):
They're carrying bags and carrying.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Get them playing, get them playing, Hey carry Thanks very
much for your call. Mate one hundred eighty ten eighty.
If you want to climb in on must love to
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it's over. Thank you for that, Walter. Feel free to
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Hey, this engines I m among us.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Luck twenty eight sports Talk there on newstalks ZB and
Darcy or thanks for your time, thanks for your calls,
Thanks for your text as well, plenty often I'll run
through a few of those texts for you now. Landram Robinson,
I hope your Cora all listening. I'm sure you are
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massive fans of Sports Talk. Are the big cheeses at
New zell And Rugby people like this. The text line
is bursting with positive comments around this huge connection with
New Zealand rugby fans. Hi, Darcy, very interesting idea, But
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I wonder what happens when the All Blacks are touring
South Africa? Does that mean we don't have any rugby
to watch in New Zealand? Giving the time difference and
vice versa for South Africa, surely the broadcasters would hate
missing out on prime time rugby. Roy thanks you very
much for he considered text. And it's a point it
spending on how long it goes just prime time rugby
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over here get that much traction anyway? Is there something
else that could be done? But yeah, definitely a reason
to question, and thank you very much for letting us know.
A great option writes. Another could be an even odd
year concept, whereby even as tours, whether it be you know,
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South Africa, Australia, UK or then to us that's twelve
years right there, and then the odd is either Super
Rugby or two years right there, or maybe a World
Cup or da da da. I think that the essence
of that text, and this is something that World Rugby
and the fans are looking for, is for World Rugby
to take control of the international calendar, of that global calendar.
(29:47):
I only trying it as World Rugby Nations Championship and
give everybody something that works and that is nigh on
and possible, especially when you're dealing with the French clubs
and the English clubs break now anyway, so maybe they're
losing their control. It requires a lot of work. But
John f K. We don't do these things because they
(30:08):
are easy. Okay, setting up a tour is hardly flying
to the moon. But yeah, in the seventies and the eighties,
the All Blacks pie club rugby. Yes, today the ABS
wouldn't know their clubs. No, it is very different. Here
we go. This is a bit of negative, but that's okay. Leverrary,
(30:29):
thanks for your time. Hi Darcy, I'm sorry you're living
in a fantasy world. If you look at younger people
that are predominantly looking at sports like rugby, they get
their heads bashed and by early big developed kids by nature.
Speaker 12 (30:44):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
I know what you mean. That has to be managed
in the future. Of the high collision nature of rugby
is problematic for generating interest in the kids. But if
you don't see it, you're not going to encourage anyone.
That's why tours here are good. Ash's idea all Blacks
vers so Africa. That a great idea. It's one of
(31:08):
our texters. So what about the bitters they cup? Isn't
that already? According to the Ashes, if Australia actually won
it every now it might be they kind of don't.
So it's just a beat down. And maybe if they
to it over here they might get better. I don't know, Darcy.
(31:31):
Talk of the South African tour is brilliant. Bring back
the spring Bok head. I love it. I returned to
you every four years. Our good given from the White
couple was very very happy, Darcy. I'd want to see
tours by Fiji and Salmon and Tongaton is zealing great
for the development to play the provinces. There you go
ground swell more tours, Darcy. Though I wouldn't pay and
(31:55):
go see the Aussies tearing every four years, but I
pay to see England tearing every four years. It's a
bit of prospect which suggests, you know, there could be
an ashes but they're not good enough, Darcy. I love it.
Hope touring teams play the provinces. The list goes on.
It's got traction and there are a couple of sensible reasons.
(32:16):
Why not good on you sending them in coming up next,
mid Santa joins us. Man they used to call Chalky Eve.
He used to break every bone in his body. Sometimes
the Santa Claus, but to us it's Mitch. He joins
us next time he's in my streets. Straight out that
(32:48):
airport now Worth Mitch Santa ahead of a Two of
the black Caps are up in action again. It's been
a while between drinks. Mitch would be pretty keen to
don the Black cab again. Yeah, and welcome.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
Yeah, it's gonna be exciting, Yeah, floating around on some
T twenty. But it's nice to be back. And I
guess of what's going to be a good stint of
Test cricket and subcontinent a.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Great stint, and especially for someone like yourself, when you
look at the conditions that you've got, like I don't
know about the heat and the light, but when it
comes to applying your trade, you must be really looking
forward to that.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
Yeah, it's it's it's obviously an exciting time and we've
got some pretty big games coming up, you know, to
get some points. But yeah, it's obviously nice as we've
been speaking a lot as a as a spin unit
to what we can do over there, and I guess
there's always that expectation of trying to get Wi kits,
but you know, it's trying to trying to do play
the long game. Boy, your baseball for a long period
of time and see what works on on on a
(33:43):
different day, because I guess it could be it could
be different in India versus Sri Lanka, and I guess
we're see that's it.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
And the ability to chop and change when you need
be your art will be sorely tested when it comes
to that, And of course there'll be a reasonable amount
of on you are you are you essentially leading the
spin team.
Speaker 6 (34:03):
At because oldest is that? Is that what you're thinking?
Speaker 2 (34:08):
No, no, you see that, mate, not me. I will
serve that team. You smash your back and you just
did it to yourself because you're very experienced. How about that?
Speaker 6 (34:17):
That sounds a little better.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
It's but yeah, it's it's you know, I think we've got,
you know, five good spin options.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
You know, everyone is slightly different, which is always good.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
I guess we have a kind of an idea of
what what we want to do over there, and but
I guess it's about you know, playing our game, doing
what our strength is and and I guess over there
it's doing it for a long long period of time.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
The pitch could.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
Change over the you know, the days, and depending on
where you are, what might be the most effective ball.
And you know, I think we do that quite well
as a group, is communicating between you know each other
and you know what's working, what's not, and then just
doing it for a long time.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
So with all of you playing, who's got the work
hand as far as who actually gets the nod, you're
not going to roll everybody out the same time, No.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
I think, I guess that's you know, we've got you know,
six six tests and in a short space of time,
and everyone I guess won't play every game. But it's
you know, we've spoke about that as a unit is
you know, it's getting around each other, whoever's playing, who's not,
you know, adding adding value and that's all we want
to do as a unit. And you know it's as
an exciting time for whoever plays, and you know, good
(35:30):
period to really get.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
Stuck in and and see what we can do in
those conditions.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Now, of course Afghanistan as well. You can't take them lightly,
as we found out in One day internationals that they'll fold,
you won't they. So I think the level is rising
right across the board, which has got to be good
for Test cricket while it still survives. Sorry to be
the cynic on that one, but that is a positive.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
Right, Yeah, it's awesome.
Speaker 7 (35:52):
You know.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
I guess every time we can play new teams and
different conditions is always always exciting, and yeah, you know
it's it's pretty cool for Afghanistan. You know, we've seen
what they can do in white Wall cricket and and
you know, looking at there, I guess personnel, we know
they're going to be definitely a threatened red ball and
you know, and conditions out they're pretty similar used to
So it's not going to be easy. You know, We've
(36:16):
got a few good days of trying to get to
know the conditions leading into I guess our first our
first game, and in some way I don't think anyone's
played before.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
So yeah, I think that adapting piece is going to
be massive.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Difficult to walk into a test match and actually have
no idea what's going to go on because it's such
unfamiliar territory. Does that that it happened a lot. I
don't know how it works at that top level, but
I suppose you'd look at it go We just don't know.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
Yeah, there's a bit of I guess the unknown and that,
like you said, that's I guess it's a little bit
different for Test cricket. You know, you usually scout and
know you know each player inside out and what each
wok it's going to do. So yeah, that's but then
I guess we can go back to just think about ourselves,
you know, have a plan what we want to do
as a as a unit, and and go from there.
(37:01):
It's you know, it seems is going to play an
important part as well. You know, So it's I guess
it's a collective effort, and you know we speak about
you know, adapting pretty quickly and White Wall cricket, it's
going to be you know something summer and Test. You know,
that's I guess we don't know what it's going to
play like, and we've got a kind of true to
that way.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Mitch Satan. The Joiners send a lot of athletes at
the top of the game at that world level. They
want to play the best, they want to get the
best of the opposition. Rushi Khnt's not there back injury,
he's out. It's kind of disappointing to you that a
guy like that is actually not going to be on
the park.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
Yeah, I guess, you know, it's it's it'll be nice,
but you know, on the flip side, it's probably nice
and it's not there.
Speaker 6 (37:43):
For us because we tell how good he is.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
I tried to see you up and see be polite
and nice about it. Come on, Mitch, no fair cool.
You mentioned the the World Test Championship before. Is that
something that just sits quietly in the back of your
mind after you know, winning it that first time around.
Is that's still relevant to you game by game process,
session by session or is that still the price for
(38:09):
you blokes?
Speaker 6 (38:11):
Yeah, I guess that's kind of the prize at the end.
Speaker 5 (38:13):
But you know, we've got a lot of a lot
of time in the dirt before then, and we know that,
you know, it's gonna be a challenge that we don't
want to think too far ahead because we we know
if we can do a job and over a long
time and sub constant, we could put.
Speaker 6 (38:30):
Ourselves in a in a position. But yeah, you know,
first thing, sir, we've got to.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
You know, play a pretty good Afghanistani side and then
you see what happens after.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
That a lot of time in the dirt. Was that
that phrase you just used, Is that this new term
for playing test cricket in the dirt.
Speaker 5 (38:49):
That's hopefully not too much because that means we're bowling
probably more than we want to.
Speaker 6 (38:53):
But yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
I'm running with that. Out of the team that are
over there, much experience obviously, no one's played on this
particular ground, but experience wise as far as playing over
in the sub continent. You've got a few crew who've
had some success over there, and a couple of younger
guys as well. What kind of advice would you give
them about how to deal with with touring in the
subcontinent because it's not the easiest place to be, is it,
(39:16):
And we're talking whether diet, there's a number of considerations.
It can be quite upseting to the young uns.
Speaker 5 (39:23):
Yeah, it's it can be a challenge, I guess, but
you know, I think that's where you kind of rally
around each other more and I guess you do have
a lot of downtime because you're not venturing out too much.
But yeah, I think, you know, the main thing we
speak about is it can happen very quickly over there,
and we've seen it a number of times.
Speaker 6 (39:42):
Again.
Speaker 5 (39:43):
You can be you know, in the dirt and battling
away and you know you can get like a bang
bang quickly and the game can change quickly.
Speaker 6 (39:50):
So it's you know, it's about staying in the in
the game for as long as you can. And yeah, match.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Before we let you go. As Aj has been wandering
around going teen ten from last time around.
Speaker 6 (40:04):
Yeah, I think he's pretty excited to get back to
Mumbai's for sure.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
I get that completely. Hey, thanks very much for joining
us much looking forward to seeing your progress in the dirt.
And thanks for the new phrase, love your work mate.
That is rich.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Forget the refs call, you make the call Sports Talk
on your home of Sports News.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Talks in the Dirt with Mitch Santny. You've got to
like that, don't. It starts on Monday. These are great
times for cricket. Tragics games get underway and it's a
pile of tests four o'clock, five o'clock right the way through.
(40:48):
As the end of my life for the next month
or so. That Test against Afghanistan is going to be
played on Monday. Starts at four pm Wednesday, the eighteenth
of September. The first Test between Sri Lanka and New Zealand. Thursday,
September the twenty fourth. Sorry, the twenty sixth it's the
(41:09):
second Test against Sri Lanka. And then mid October sixteenth
India New Zealand and their first Test. Twenty fourth of
October and the New Zealand and the Zegond Test, and
the first of November the third Test between India and
New Zealand. These are going to be epic exchanges. They're
(41:30):
right right in a cross here is when it comes
to entertaining evening viewing for cricket fans, and like Indiana
New Zealand and that is one fact. Sure, this is
going to be so good. But wait, it's more in November.
The English are coming. Wooa spring, here comes summer. Here
we go. Looking forward to this so much. Hey, thanks
(41:53):
for listening to the show and for contributing as well.
It's always good to have you. This is an I've
had some really good texts today. I've had some troublesome one, Steve,
but I've managed to tiptoe through. I'm a bit ron Burgundy.
Sometimes I just read whatever is sent to me and
get me in all sorts of trouble. How's this one? Darcy?
(42:13):
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I played against South Africa, Australia, Japan, the British Irons,
Lions and England. Unreal memories. Oh how good, Zumi. You're
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just about to climb on the plane and disappear off
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to the Middle Ish East. There are going to be
playing Afghanistan over an India senior statesman excuse me, and
we'll talk to him about the tour, his role in
that tour as well. We're going to kick the show
off with a bit of Josh Kornfelt action. Josh corsa
(01:33):
former All Black part of the ninety six All Black
Tour to South Africa. So he knows what touring is
all about. He knows the strength of touring, he knows
the upsides of tour are there any downside. I suppose
we'll find out. Josh Croonnfeld joins us shortly, and then
we're going to take your thoughts on this return to
the good old days. I fall tours you in for
(01:57):
this is this something you go? You know what we need?
This opposed to this wham bam, thank you man, insta
series that we've got right now, fly in, play, flyout.
This is great. This is what we need, This is
what we want. How it gets fitted into our program,
I've got no idea, but that's not my job. Josh
(02:18):
Cromfeld joins us next to talk about that. But before
we get into that realm, let's get amongst this one today.
And it's sport today, Damien Mackenzie, the grinning pivot has
let loose another term that may well steal the march
on another favored rugby term, learnings progressions. That's where it's at.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Now, the progressions we're making throughout the season so far,
we're getting a bit every week. So although we don't
like losing, it's exciting to see what's to come throughout
the rest of you.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Like it's a word that's kind of unnecessary. What about
progress anyway? Our black cap skip. Tim Salvey has shouldered
arms to the inevitable Taliban Afghanistan question before his team departs.
We just move onions like you need to ask someone
in power about the ICC's contrary women's cricket edicts.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
This is decision that he's in a cricket made in
the players Association.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
And us as players. We've just head to buy into that. So, yeah,
it's a decision that he's in a cricket of mate.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Yeah, I'm above my pay grade. Not me, talk to
someone else. I'm getting on the plane. Paralympic flag of
Eric Emon Leslie has been refreshingly blunt around his performance
in the pool so far.
Speaker 7 (03:33):
I can't ditch the kids to do extra training and
stuff like that. I'm not okay with that. My values
don't align with it. So I'm churning up doing the
same time as what I've done pretty much the whole cycle.
So I've stayed the same, and everyone else has sort
of growing an arm leg and done everything as you'd
expect them to be.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Changing Dad first athlete second and Mama Mia Mottu's coach
Isaac peaches all over, peaking for the moment ahead of
her multi belt fight set for later in the year.
Excitements for what the word is is, we're all just
really excited and really excited for mea to do.
Speaker 7 (04:06):
I think it's a big step for people to see
that you can come from nothing and you can become something.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
And what's sport today? Seven it is So it's not absolute,
rubber stamped official this is going to happen, but it's
as good ass because South African rugby of kind of city.
This is happening, the return of the tour. South Africay
come here and go up and down the Matsu with
their gang of big gnulled Fords in the bomb squad,
(04:35):
beat up on the All Blacks from time to time,
smash a few provinces, maybe lose to a couple, go
home again. Fantastic, Great for the expat South Africans that
are over here, great for the provincial sides, great for
the All Blacks. And then four years we head over
there and do exactly the same thing. It's an old
school tour and those of you long enough in the
(04:58):
teeth that remember that will be going. This is what
we want. This is rugby as it should be. This
is not a event based. Let's go for a game
and fly out the next day. This has got so
much going for it. And old rant on about that
later on the piece before I ask you to climb
on in. But before we do that, let's talk to
(05:18):
a bloke has actually been there, done that. His name's
Josh Cranfield, a former All Black part of the successful
ninety six tour to South Africa. Hey, Josh, how are
you made? It's a kind of a return to the
good old days, isn't it? Does this give you like
the warm fuzzies? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (05:36):
Look, I mean initially, I mean I think they said
it was going to be the last of the tours
because of obviously the way the championship and the various
different cups that they had from that period, the way
Vesionals was going, and so it kind of felt kind
of neat to be part of that last sort of
system and also, you know, to have the win that
(05:57):
we did. But when you look at it now, because
the South Africans aren't in our super competition, that asked
the question, are we just seeing from what we understand
is high level competitive rugby? And so to reintroduce it
and have that connection, you know, have more games, it's
(06:18):
probably not a bad thing. It'll probably also mean that,
all right, we'll have the Tours, but we'll have midweek
games too, I'm assuming anyway. But those midweek games could
be as precious as the tests.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
That's what I think. The fact that you get guys
that dirt trackers or whatever they call them in your
day to get to go over there and experience being
in a group like the All Blacks for a few
weeks time and playing at that different level, it gives
you so many more arrows to your quiver, doesn't it
when you move on and up. It's kind of necessary
and long forgotten.
Speaker 8 (06:51):
Yeah, I've got I think it makes sense going forward.
We need to stay competitive and I think everybody will
agree that not having South Africa and now you know
the franchise rugby has made a difference and it has
had an impact on quality of the rugby that are
getting exposed to. And if you're playing the top teams
week and week out and playing at the level, it
(07:13):
brings everyone else up to whether the benchmarkers and so
going forward, Yes, I think the Tours a great idea
and maybe it'll rein ignite some of the love and
the passion and the excitement of the nineties rugby to me,
you know, when I speaking to a few of the
boys that it was a bit of a golden period
of rugby. I thing, you know, just in terms of
(07:34):
the turnouts, the crowds, the build ups, the excitement that
seemed to go into whatever city or town that you're
involved in, and it's some of that stuff sort of
fallen by the way with rugby I feel, you know,
can I say that on my being a been a
bit bit rude to the game at the moment.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Josh, you can say whatever you want. That's what we've
got on the radio. Josh Cronfell didn't join us. I
don't think too many people out there will disagree with you.
Maybe getting up in the middle of the night to
watch it tour over several weeks might not encourage a
lot of people, but the opposite is then when the
Springboks come here and go up and down the nation.
(08:15):
I think what you're talking about is sitting a touch
paper off, getting a fire going in for a tour,
because the enthusiasm behind that is I meant, especially in
the provinces.
Speaker 8 (08:25):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, I was fortunate enough
to win when a Springbok hit and and I'm assuming
they'll bring that back and that that's pretty special too,
to have that new trophy cabinet, no, you know, I
know for a Tigo at that particular time, I felt
like we were building into a special sort of phase
(08:46):
of rugby in that period and that was just the
start for me, you know, it was that Springbok. I
remember Gordon Hunter, you know, having that under his arm
and you know, proud as punch, you know, and that's
that's kind of what led me to be being an
all back too. So it's you know, I'd love to
see that sort of stuff. It's got a romantic I
(09:06):
add to it too, doesn't it, you know, like the
historical all of that sort of stuff. And to have
another team go over there and when in South Africa
a traditional tour, that that sounds pretty epic to me.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
What about the development of players, Josh and the development
of that second tier simply being with a full all
black squad and learning as the weeks go on about
what it meant to be an all Black and not
not necessarily just in playing style, but everything that encompasses
wearing that ferm.
Speaker 8 (09:37):
It is massive and it is cool too, you know,
like you do get a bit of an US and
them sort of concept going on, and there's a few
people floating between the test team and the midweek team,
but that's that's competition of old you know, like and
because you're in the mix and you're training alongside of
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these guys and you're playing and you're.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Just on that front, you see how.
Speaker 8 (10:05):
You can bring yourself up to that next level and
what's expected, and you see how your test players build
into the week and you start to emulate some of
those good qualities and you take your game from where
it was and find a way to sneak in in
(10:25):
the back door I guess to getting a test opportunity.
And you can do that by playing well during those
midweek games, and the club sides that you end up playing,
you know, whether it was Natal or whoever it is
or here like in New Zealand, they rise for the
occasion as well, so that you end up seeing quite
(10:46):
great spectacles of rugby as well, you know, because you've
got a midweek team that's just trying to do something
special to try and get as many as their players
into that Test side, and then you've also got the
team that you're playing against, trying to do something special
and festive, to try and unhinge it and get a
(11:08):
win over the All Blacks.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
You know, it is quite.
Speaker 8 (11:10):
Unique and special.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
The right call is your call on eight d eighty
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Speaker 2 (11:21):
Very special. It's a word that John Hart, who actually
coached the All Blacks in that success from onely six
til you used to use quite a Remember that special
special that was Josh Cronfeld open sided flank air back
in the day for New Zealand experience the tour, both
ends of it. One when his Otargo team managed to
roll the spring Box when they were on tour over here,
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and of course ninety six there were four tests that year.
The first time was the end of the championship and
then the next three were that series that the All
Blacks won two to one and created all sorts of records.
It was quite extraordinary. I remember it fondly. It was
back in the day when I could actually stay up
for matches and watch them not fall asleep. That's how
(12:04):
fondly I remember that. So it's happening again. It's as
good as done. It's not uber official yet hasn't got
the seal of approval. But for all intensive purposes, this
is happening again. It's four year cycle, so it's kind
of we really only get them over here once every
eight years? Oh really?
Speaker 9 (12:23):
Is that it?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Once every eight years? I suppose once every eight years.
It means when the tour does come, it'll sell out
right up and down the country, right, won't it. They
won't play super teams, they'll play provincial sides and as
I don't know what's going to happen in the Republic
because I'm not over there, but I expect it to
be very similar. The tour will build momentum, the crowds,
(12:48):
the media, the rugby public will be entertained for week
after week after week, so the crowds get exposure to
the players, the players get exposure to the South African
way of playing. The player development is immense, its specially
when they travel over to the Republic as a big
(13:11):
touring party, learning what it's like to be an all black,
learning what it means to be an all black not
only playing, but actually how you hold yourself, how you
carry yourself. During that time, the information gleaned in hotel
rooms off of the older players by the young bucks invaluable.
When the Springboks tour here, the recognition of the players,
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it will burn into our consciousness because they're there, they're
in front, they're on TV, they're in the papers at
the moment. Yep, there's a continuum with the Springbok side.
So we know a great deal of the players, but
I already see them enough. So this way it encourages
some way of recognizing and knowing and feeling like we
(13:58):
know our enemy. I can't see how we lose here.
To me, this is absolutely tremendous. Go on, tell me
I'm wrong. I really don't think I am.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
I think this is the news we all want it.
It's not often you can turn the clock back and
actually end up with a better result than you've got currently.
But what's happened in the last few years it's all to.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Instant, and a tour is non instant. It's something that
percolates over the time, and it's sorely needed for rugby. Okay,
there are some bad points. What happens to the Australians,
what happens to the Argentines, what happens to the championship
during the time oay, that's for World rugby to sort out.
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But for me, the return to this style of rugby
is brilliant. It's exceptional. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Tell me why this won't work, Tell me why you
think this would be a failure, or you might want
to agree with me and climb on. And I think
it's a it's a no loose situation. If there's such
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a phrase, extraordinarily encouraging, great for the game, great for
the public. Our eight one hundred eighty ten eighty. Keen
on this right, this is something you're going to grab
with both hands. And I'm looking outside of the main
sentence because they're going to benefit from this. Well, I hope, so,
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I hope. So twenty one after seven lines are open.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Whakatha were leading North
in fourteen five thirty minutes gone on an NPC game.
We keep you up to date with that as well.
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty. The tours, how good as
they say, give us a all I love to check.
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No need for the TMO.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
We've got the breakdown on Sports Talk cal eight hundred,
News Talk.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Favor twenty five and his sports look on News Talk ZB.
I'm Darcy'd love to chat with you. One hundred and
eighteen ten eighty three for number nationwide. Give it a
whirl like this tourist thing, the old school tours gives
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you the warm fuzzies, right, surely it does. I can
only see good. It might expand even further, so much
so that the rugby Championship just gets taken out the back.
See you later. Constant touring. Maybe maybe that might work.
What do you reckon, Tony.
Speaker 7 (17:06):
Does?
Speaker 10 (17:08):
Yeah, just just one aspect of it as the opportunity
for provincial teams or whatever teams that play the spring
Bots to get to win a spring bok yead if
they get a victory, goes up in the club room.
Is there forever?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
That's what I tiger I did back in ninety four.
Speaker 10 (17:31):
That's that's you know what what what on that? That's
that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
As far as the future though, would that tear apart
the championship and does that really matter? Is this the
way of the future.
Speaker 10 (17:47):
It would be around long enough to be able to
isolate something likeness and recognize it what it is. And
that's it's just a really unique opportunity. They have these
guys literally moving around in your community. You know, you
go somewhere out for dinner or whatever, and there's they're
all sitting there having dinner, and it's I think it's
I think there's no need at all bo the And I.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Think as far as the next generation coming through, and
we shouldn't concentrate too much on the next generation. It's
like we matter too. But as far as an aspirational
situation where the team tours up the country and the
All Blacks and the All Blacks dirt trackers are involved too,
and people can see their heroes, I don't think you
can underestimate the power of that for the future of rugby.
Speaker 10 (18:33):
Right well, the game by a memorable victory and uh
in a province and everything that goes with it. You know,
it's it's more than likely can steer steer yachts into
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the game as opposed in it.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Would it work the same if Australia to it here
once every few years, Tony, what do.
Speaker 10 (19:01):
We what do we get? We'll beat? The odds would
be the others. You know, the spring box, you beat
the spring box old folk and as I said, you
got that plush springbock hiads sitting on the sitting on
the wall every time you go into your club room.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
If you beat them, Mind and Tony, if you beat them, that's.
Speaker 10 (19:24):
Yeah, one an opportunity to then if you want something
to get up for there, you get up for that.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
And I think the crowds and the locals and everybody
else get up for that too. It is a little
retrospective going back to tours what it was. Well, I
don't know how many people actually agreed in the first
stage to get rid of them. And there's when professional
has turned up. They've got all new and fangled, and
suddenly it became about these new artificial competitions, which were
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great for a while, but then slowly the soul of
rugby started to rot and now he was such suation.
We rather seeing the All Blacks over to somewhere in
Idaho to play a game on a grid iron because
they were expanding the game. When like we saw with
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Super Rugby, the expansion of the game, the speed of
the expansion of the game ended up destroying the game.
They had a rain of that back in again and
pulled it all back in again. So maybe this is
a way to re establish rugby in New Sell now
though only have an inbound tour once every eight years, right,
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four year change? That won't be enough. So the next
step and you're the fans out there, could there be
because you've got the British and Nicie lines to it.
Twelve years you've got the South African tour? Would there
be room for an Australian tour? Would that reinvigorate Australian rugby?
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Would you pay to go and see that if the
Aussies turned up for four weeks and built some momentum
in the way they played the game? Would data trackt
you do? Do? We need to check out the championship
and go you know what? It was nice at the time,
but it doesn't matter. We need to change our eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. You love your thoughts on this?
(21:23):
Hi Ben oh?
Speaker 11 (21:25):
Hi Darcy?
Speaker 2 (21:26):
How you go?
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Good? What's on your mind?
Speaker 11 (21:29):
Darcy? I agree with you. I think tours are really fabulous.
And when the British and Irish Lions were here, my
brother and I we went to games all around the country,
went to the first came up and Finn that day
went to two of the Tests or the Martis and
R and you just current beat. Like you say, they're
building atmosphere.
Speaker 12 (21:47):
Of a tour.
Speaker 11 (21:48):
It's just it's just fantastic.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Well, there's storylines, aren't there being because you get to
know the players as they go through and all the
press conferences, and you really build an affinity or a
hatred for them as it develops. But it means more
people buy into what's going on because of the consistency
of their absolutely.
Speaker 11 (22:08):
And I think, I mean, let's face it, the All
Blacks and the spring Box the two of the giant forces.
Speaker 12 (22:14):
Of world rugby.
Speaker 11 (22:15):
And I think there's the potential with regular tours alternating
between New Zealand and South Africa, we could create the
rugby equivalent of the Ashes in cricket. I mean, the
Ashes is its own thing, it's separate from everything else
in cricket. And I think we've got the potential between
New Zealand and South Africa to create a rugby equivalent
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where every two years an alternating tour between South Africa
and New Zealand becomes one of the pinnacle things to
the whole world.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
To follow being I could hug you. This is a
great phone call. I love the way you're thinking and
why not what would you call it though?
Speaker 11 (22:54):
I don't know, you'd have to come up with something
like the Ashes. You'd have to come up with, you know,
a Nelson Mandala Trophy or something that would would mean
a lot and you know, kind of had global impacts.
But I think this could just be to just build
over time and become something that's that's you know, equivalent
and just about as important as the World Cup to
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all black players and to Spring Black players. So it's
a unique opportunity with with you know how good our
team and the Springbok teams and how much it means
to New Zealand and South African fans.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
On you've ben, thanks so much for your contribution to
the program. Well worth it, mate, Thanks for yours your
ashes style? Would it get that traction globally? Kerrie?
Speaker 12 (23:37):
Hi, Morning evening, Darth, how are we?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yeah? Good morning evening either or afternoon whatever you want?
Not fast, but everything.
Speaker 12 (23:47):
I love that. I absolutely love that. I think, you know,
being of forty years old and remembering the old tours
of that used to come around to the MPC side,
I think it's going to be brilliant for you know,
your locals, your Bayer Plenties, your cut an Aki, your
Mano were two. I think you get the Ausies over.
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I think you know, you get your your cargo that
demolished an Australian tour team. You know that's the previous
previous caller that he said, you put the spring block
head on the on the club room. I'll chuck up
a kangaroo head up on a club room. Any do
get brilliant again.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
The association with the players and the fact that I
think the Australians it would probably do them more good
than it would us because of the frequency of the exchanges.
And when we go over there, same thing. Spread the
words stop trying to be so global, get amongst your
own backyard, which I mean it's a bit of a
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distant backyard South Africa, but your southern hemisphere yard.
Speaker 12 (24:53):
Yeah, and I think it's people need to see the
benefits that it both brings a to the the economy.
If you want to talk politics, but be to the
all blacks, because all of a sudden it comes back
to all black and an all black b side. You know,
you're running the Invincibles incredible sort of thing again, and
all of a sudden you can be playing multiple tests
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around the country instead of he's one off things that's
you know, let's not talk about South again.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
But will they fly in, they stay in the hotel,
then they run away again. You don't get the buy
in from the crowds. I think two is a special light.
Speaker 12 (25:30):
You don't and you want to. You know, I'm sick
and tired of seeing the captain with a Wellington game empty.
You know, I don't want to see that. So let's
take it out to the provinces, you know, let's take
it to the levins and things like this. When you
can play, you can fill a stadium and the crowd's
going mental and it's just great. And you know, you
get an old school team that rocks over a second
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fifteen Australian team or a South African team that's brilliant.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Well, you had some big major tests in the big
major centes where you're going to attract the big crowd
to the big stadium, absolutely, But outside of that, you've
got to go elsewhere. And I think you've got to
go to where super rugby isn't as far as the
size of the stadiums and what you do, I don't
know around that space. But you need to drag the
nation and they need to know that the All Blacks
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are their team and there's no greater Well, if you're there,
they know you are. It's pretty obvious, right, Yeah.
Speaker 12 (26:26):
Well the ends are. It has to be front and
center that rugby is a sport is sort of in
a bit of a decline. So the best way to
kick it in the back of you have to say,
is take it out to the regions, out to the
areas that have more history in rugby than anywhere else.
You know, take it out. Get to get the All
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Blacks back into the old provincial teams. You know, the
guys that maybe don't make the first Affine or the
first twenty starting squad. Get them back playing for Taranaki.
You imagine if all three Barretts turned out for Taranaki
again Australia.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
They probably didn't. But when when you look at the
fact you've got these blacks are part of the widest
squad and they basically just polished boots and picked their
names for three months. Right, they don't do any They're carrying.
Speaker 12 (27:13):
They're carrying bags and carrying.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Get them playing, get them playing, Hey carry Thanks very
much for your call. Mate one hundred eighty ten eighty.
If you want to climb in on must love to
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Speaker 2 (27:58):
Luck twenty eight sports Talk there on newstalks ZB and
Darcy or thanks for your time, thanks for your calls,
Thanks for your text as well, plenty often I'll run
through a few of those texts for you now. Landram Robinson,
I hope your Cora all listening. I'm sure you are
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massive fans of Sports Talk. Are the big cheeses at
New zell And Rugby people like this. The text line
is bursting with positive comments around this huge connection with
New Zealand rugby fans. Hi, Darcy, very interesting idea, But
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I wonder what happens when the All Blacks are touring
South Africa? Does that mean we don't have any rugby
to watch in New Zealand? Giving the time difference and
vice versa for South Africa, surely the broadcasters would hate
missing out on prime time rugby. Roy thanks you very
much for he considered text. And it's a point it
spending on how long it goes just prime time rugby
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over here get that much traction anyway? Is there something
else that could be done? But yeah, definitely a reason
to question, and thank you very much for letting us know.
A great option writes. Another could be an even odd
year concept, whereby even as tours, whether it be you know,
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South Africa, Australia, UK or then to us that's twelve
years right there, and then the odd is either Super
Rugby or two years right there, or maybe a World
Cup or da da da. I think that the essence
of that text, and this is something that World Rugby
and the fans are looking for, is for World Rugby
to take control of the international calendar, of that global calendar.
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I only trying it as World Rugby Nations Championship and
give everybody something that works and that is nigh on
and possible, especially when you're dealing with the French clubs
and the English clubs break now anyway, so maybe they're
losing their control. It requires a lot of work. But
John f K. We don't do these things because they
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are easy. Okay, setting up a tour is hardly flying
to the moon. But yeah, in the seventies and the eighties,
the All Blacks pie club rugby. Yes, today the ABS
wouldn't know their clubs. No, it is very different. Here
we go. This is a bit of negative, but that's okay. Leverrary,
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thanks for your time. Hi Darcy, I'm sorry you're living
in a fantasy world. If you look at younger people
that are predominantly looking at sports like rugby, they get
their heads bashed and by early big developed kids by nature.
Speaker 12 (30:44):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
I know what you mean. That has to be managed
in the future. Of the high collision nature of rugby
is problematic for generating interest in the kids. But if
you don't see it, you're not going to encourage anyone.
That's why tours here are good. Ash's idea all Blacks
vers so Africa. That a great idea. It's one of
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our texters. So what about the bitters they cup? Isn't
that already? According to the Ashes, if Australia actually won
it every now it might be they kind of don't.
So it's just a beat down. And maybe if they
to it over here they might get better. I don't know, Darcy.
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Talk of the South African tour is brilliant. Bring back
the spring Bok head. I love it. I returned to
you every four years. Our good given from the White
couple was very very happy, Darcy. I'd want to see
tours by Fiji and Salmon and Tongaton is zealing great
for the development to play the provinces. There you go
ground swell more tours, Darcy. Though I wouldn't pay and
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go see the Aussies tearing every four years, but I
pay to see England tearing every four years. It's a
bit of prospect which suggests, you know, there could be
an ashes but they're not good enough, Darcy. I love it.
Hope touring teams play the provinces. The list goes on.
It's got traction and there are a couple of sensible reasons.
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Why not good on you sending them in coming up next,
mid Santa joins us. Man they used to call Chalky Eve.
He used to break every bone in his body. Sometimes
the Santa Claus, but to us it's Mitch. He joins
us next time he's in my streets. Straight out that
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airport now Worth Mitch Santa ahead of a Two of
the black Caps are up in action again. It's been
a while between drinks. Mitch would be pretty keen to
don the Black cab again. Yeah, and welcome.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
Yeah, it's gonna be exciting, Yeah, floating around on some
T twenty. But it's nice to be back. And I
guess of what's going to be a good stint of
Test cricket and subcontinent a.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Great stint, and especially for someone like yourself, when you
look at the conditions that you've got, like I don't
know about the heat and the light, but when it
comes to applying your trade, you must be really looking
forward to that.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
Yeah, it's it's it's obviously an exciting time and we've
got some pretty big games coming up, you know, to
get some points. But yeah, it's obviously nice as we've
been speaking a lot as a as a spin unit
to what we can do over there, and I guess
there's always that expectation of trying to get Wi kits,
but you know, it's trying to trying to do play
the long game. Boy, your baseball for a long period
of time and see what works on on on a
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different day, because I guess it could be it could
be different in India versus Sri Lanka, and I guess
we're see that's it.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
And the ability to chop and change when you need
be your art will be sorely tested when it comes
to that, And of course there'll be a reasonable amount
of on you are you are you essentially leading the
spin team.
Speaker 6 (34:03):
At because oldest is that? Is that what you're thinking?
Speaker 2 (34:08):
No, no, you see that, mate, not me. I will
serve that team. You smash your back and you just
did it to yourself because you're very experienced. How about that?
Speaker 6 (34:17):
That sounds a little better.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
It's but yeah, it's it's you know, I think we've got,
you know, five good spin options.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
You know, everyone is slightly different, which is always good.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
I guess we have a kind of an idea of
what what we want to do over there, and but
I guess it's about you know, playing our game, doing
what our strength is and and I guess over there
it's doing it for a long long period of time.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
The pitch could.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
Change over the you know, the days, and depending on
where you are, what might be the most effective ball.
And you know, I think we do that quite well
as a group, is communicating between you know each other
and you know what's working, what's not, and then just
doing it for a long time.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
So with all of you playing, who's got the work
hand as far as who actually gets the nod, you're
not going to roll everybody out the same time, No.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
I think, I guess that's you know, we've got you know,
six six tests and in a short space of time,
and everyone I guess won't play every game. But it's
you know, we've spoke about that as a unit is
you know, it's getting around each other, whoever's playing, who's not,
you know, adding adding value and that's all we want
to do as a unit. And you know it's as
an exciting time for whoever plays, and you know, good
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period to really get.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
Stuck in and and see what we can do in
those conditions.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Now, of course Afghanistan as well. You can't take them lightly,
as we found out in One day internationals that they'll fold,
you won't they. So I think the level is rising
right across the board, which has got to be good
for Test cricket while it still survives. Sorry to be
the cynic on that one, but that is a positive.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
Right, Yeah, it's awesome.
Speaker 7 (35:52):
You know.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
I guess every time we can play new teams and
different conditions is always always exciting, and yeah, you know
it's it's pretty cool for Afghanistan. You know, we've seen
what they can do in white Wall cricket and and
you know, looking at there, I guess personnel, we know
they're going to be definitely a threatened red ball and
you know, and conditions out they're pretty similar used to
So it's not going to be easy. You know, We've
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got a few good days of trying to get to
know the conditions leading into I guess our first our
first game, and in some way I don't think anyone's
played before.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
So yeah, I think that adapting piece is going to
be massive.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Difficult to walk into a test match and actually have
no idea what's going to go on because it's such
unfamiliar territory. Does that that it happened a lot. I
don't know how it works at that top level, but
I suppose you'd look at it go We just don't know.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
Yeah, there's a bit of I guess the unknown and that,
like you said, that's I guess it's a little bit
different for Test cricket. You know, you usually scout and
know you know each player inside out and what each
wok it's going to do. So yeah, that's but then
I guess we can go back to just think about ourselves,
you know, have a plan what we want to do
as a as a unit, and and go from there.
(37:01):
It's you know, it seems is going to play an
important part as well. You know, So it's I guess
it's a collective effort, and you know we speak about
you know, adapting pretty quickly and White Wall cricket, it's
going to be you know something summer and Test. You know,
that's I guess we don't know what it's going to
play like, and we've got a kind of true to
that way.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Mitch Satan. The Joiners send a lot of athletes at
the top of the game at that world level. They
want to play the best, they want to get the
best of the opposition. Rushi Khnt's not there back injury,
he's out. It's kind of disappointing to you that a
guy like that is actually not going to be on
the park.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
Yeah, I guess, you know, it's it's it'll be nice,
but you know, on the flip side, it's probably nice
and it's not there.
Speaker 6 (37:43):
For us because we tell how good he is.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
I tried to see you up and see be polite
and nice about it. Come on, Mitch, no fair cool.
You mentioned the the World Test Championship before. Is that
something that just sits quietly in the back of your
mind after you know, winning it that first time around.
Is that's still relevant to you game by game process,
session by session or is that still the price for
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you blokes?
Speaker 6 (38:11):
Yeah, I guess that's kind of the prize at the end.
Speaker 5 (38:13):
But you know, we've got a lot of a lot
of time in the dirt before then, and we know that,
you know, it's gonna be a challenge that we don't
want to think too far ahead because we we know
if we can do a job and over a long
time and sub constant, we could put.
Speaker 6 (38:30):
Ourselves in a in a position. But yeah, you know,
first thing, sir, we've got to.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
You know, play a pretty good Afghanistani side and then
you see what happens after.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
That a lot of time in the dirt. Was that
that phrase you just used, Is that this new term
for playing test cricket in the dirt.
Speaker 5 (38:49):
That's hopefully not too much because that means we're bowling
probably more than we want to.
Speaker 6 (38:53):
But yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
I'm running with that. Out of the team that are
over there, much experience obviously, no one's played on this
particular ground, but experience wise as far as playing over
in the sub continent. You've got a few crew who've
had some success over there, and a couple of younger
guys as well. What kind of advice would you give
them about how to deal with with touring in the
subcontinent because it's not the easiest place to be, is it,
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And we're talking whether diet, there's a number of considerations.
It can be quite upseting to the young uns.
Speaker 5 (39:23):
Yeah, it's it can be a challenge, I guess, but
you know, I think that's where you kind of rally
around each other more and I guess you do have
a lot of downtime because you're not venturing out too much.
But yeah, I think, you know, the main thing we
speak about is it can happen very quickly over there,
and we've seen it a number of times.
Speaker 6 (39:42):
Again.
Speaker 5 (39:43):
You can be you know, in the dirt and battling
away and you know you can get like a bang
bang quickly and the game can change quickly.
Speaker 6 (39:50):
So it's you know, it's about staying in the in
the game for as long as you can. And yeah, match.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Before we let you go. As Aj has been wandering
around going teen ten from last time around.
Speaker 6 (40:04):
Yeah, I think he's pretty excited to get back to
Mumbai's for sure.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
I get that completely. Hey, thanks very much for joining
us much looking forward to seeing your progress in the dirt.
And thanks for the new phrase, love your work mate.
That is rich.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Forget the refs call, you make the call Sports Talk
on your home of Sports News.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Talks in the Dirt with Mitch Santny. You've got to
like that, don't. It starts on Monday. These are great
times for cricket. Tragics games get underway and it's a
pile of tests four o'clock, five o'clock right the way through.
(40:48):
As the end of my life for the next month
or so. That Test against Afghanistan is going to be
played on Monday. Starts at four pm Wednesday, the eighteenth
of September. The first Test between Sri Lanka and New Zealand. Thursday,
September the twenty fourth. Sorry, the twenty sixth it's the
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second Test against Sri Lanka. And then mid October sixteenth
India New Zealand and their first Test. Twenty fourth of
October and the New Zealand and the Zegond Test, and
the first of November the third Test between India and
New Zealand. These are going to be epic exchanges. They're
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right right in a cross here is when it comes
to entertaining evening viewing for cricket fans, and like Indiana
New Zealand and that is one fact. Sure, this is
going to be so good. But wait, it's more in November.
The English are coming. Wooa spring, here comes summer. Here
we go. Looking forward to this so much. Hey, thanks
(41:53):
for listening to the show and for contributing as well.
It's always good to have you. This is an I've
had some really good texts today. I've had some troublesome one, Steve,
but I've managed to tiptoe through. I'm a bit ron Burgundy.
Sometimes I just read whatever is sent to me and
get me in all sorts of trouble. How's this one? Darcy?
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I played for South from from eighty one to eighty five.
I played against South Africa, Australia, Japan, the British Irons,
Lions and England. Unreal memories. Oh how good, Zumi. You're
telling the truth the high trust model here on Sports Talk,
Andy does thanks for looking after the needs and the
wants of myself and the listeners, but not what do
(42:36):
you mean and demands? I don't demand anything, be quiet?
Is that a demand? Marcus Slice up next to Darcy
order Grave, wishing your wonder. Believe in catching again tomorrow
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