September 9, 2024 • 43 mins
Jason Pine returns to recap a full day in the world of sport! Highlights for tonight include:
Tasman Mako CEO Steve Mitchell on the team bringing home the Ranfurly Shield for the first time in their history.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Hello, Kyona, good evening and welcome in to Monday night
sports Talk on News Talks EDB. September nine, Happy birthday
Sean Johnson. Happy birthday former All Blacks hooker Anton Oliver.
The opening match of the twenty eleven Rugby World Cup
was also played on this date, September nine, twenty eleven.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Numbers away left Daniel Carter, Canada, car hooey, car hooey,
looking for the past nine o deak stepping scys first try.
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Of World Cup to Israel dank Yeah.
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The first of six All Blacks tries that night at
Eden Park in a forty one ten went over Tonger.
Just over six weeks later, the All Blacks lift at
the William Webb Ali Trophy for the second time. I'm
Jason Pine. The show is produced by Andy McDonald. We're
here until eight talking sports. Shield Fever has hit the
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top of the South Tasmine when the Redfury Shield for
the first time in their young history. Here the log
of Wood has arrived in the Tasman region. It's been
paraded through Nelson and Blenham. How big is this for
the region and it's Rugby Fraternity CEO of Tasman Steve
Mitchell standing by the chat to us and where does
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the ran fully Shield sit in our rugby ecosystem? I
know where it does for me, right at the very
top above it only sky your Ranfurlly Shield. Thoughts are
welcome tonight, particularly if you're in the new home of
the log of Wood somewhere along the top of the
South Island. Further up the rugby food chain. The All
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Blacks have lost to South Africa for a second time
in the Republic. I don't think we've that badly. I've
got to say yesterday I wasn't on the air yesterday
on Weekend Sport at the weekend off for thanks to
Darcy Watergrove for filling them. But I didn't think we
were that bad. We just didn't play well enough in
either test actually to beat the best in the world. Now,
you may have some residual thoughts on this test which
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you'd like to voice. We would be very happy to
provide that platform for you tonight some after thoughts or
some day after thoughts if you like. From Coach Scott
Robertson to play out for you as well, and every
Monday night, of course, we rate the best, the worst
and everything in between from the Sporting Weekend Piney's Power
Rankings before we close the show at eight o'clock tonight
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Live Sport. Well, I was hoping, I was hoping that
there would be some test cricket to talk to you about.
There certainly is some scheduled first day of the Black
Apps Afghanistan Test in India were supposed to get underway
at four point thirty. Unfortunately, rain has to lay the
start and as you heard in our sports news at seven,
the next pitch inspection is at seven thirty. That's our time.
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It's not actually raining at the moment. It hasn't been
all day or morning over there, but it has been
for large parts of the last few days, and parts
of the outfield the wicket block are still too damped
to get play started. Unfortunately, that as a side issue
isn't great for a Test cricket ground. If it's fine
in the morning, surely the covers should have done their
job over the last couple of three days, regardless of
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our heavy the rain's been. If the pitch has been
covered then we should be underway. If it's fine there
at the moment. Anyway, that's a different conversation for another day.
They've taken lunch early. We'll keep you posted, as I say,
the next look at the conditions scheduled for around seven thirty.
We'd love you to join the show if you choose
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Speaker 2 (04:08):
Me to the left boot of Campbell Parata. He's about
forty eight meters from the posts thanks to Tamata and no,
why can they steal it?
Speaker 6 (04:18):
At the death?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Pardata lines up the posts.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
He'll have the distance.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
He's got a good boot on him.
Speaker 7 (04:26):
Direction is key Parata towards the uprights.
Speaker 8 (04:30):
And that's over.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Oh Tasman, Oh Tasaman, and the incredible scenes in nap
You're on Saturday Night a penalty from first five Campbell
Patata securing the ran Furly Shield for Tasman for the
first time in their history. Tasman muckl CEO is Steve Mitchell.
He joins us. Now, Steve, let's start with a a
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with a broad question. How significant a moment is this
for the Tasman muckel.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Oh, absolutely messive. I mean, Tellers is quite a successful union.
The story of tes it's quite a success story. But
this is one trophy that we've never won and one
that I think there's three previous occasions where we're challenged
for it, we've never managed to pull it off. So yeah,
this is definitely, definitely a great milestone for Chasman Rugby.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Were you confident before kickoff?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Looky? You know you never like to get too confidence.
You can have a little requiet confidence, but that always
had to get taken too big a bure. So I
was in the team room as they were preparing to
go on the bus trip and then I traveled with
them in the bus and to be honest, there was
just an inspirational video and then there was no talking.
The music was turned off on the bus that had
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their own But it was a very serious, So I say,
focused bus trip and the boys were well appeared and
ready to go to battles.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
So you're leading twenty two teen with fifteen minutes to go,
and then all of a sudden, Hawksbay go bang bang
with a couple of converted tries. Were you thinking the
chance might have slipped away?
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Look? To be honest, I personally was worried. Yeah, And
when it was twenty two when they were leading us
by two, I was definitely concerned. I think there was
six or seven seconds to go. But yeah, old nah way,
the turnover in the middle of the field and Campbell's
stepping up here, we definitely had everything crossed, and luckily
enough the penalty sailed through. We knew Hawks Bay a very,
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very tough team, you know, and they've held it for
some time for a reason, so we knew things were
going to be tough. Yeah. So, but yeah, the result
was what we wanted. And so he breathed a sigh
of relief and yeah, and bring it home to the community.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Just before we move on to the to the to
the weak, he had just one final word on the
game and and Campbell pot Art's kick, I mean, what
was he forty seven meter, he's basically on halfway. Biggest
kick I'm sure of his career. How were your emotions
as he was lining it up and then as you
saw it sail through.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Oh look, where as he was lining it up, just
watching intently, but as it sailed through, yeah, I definitely
let in my seat and stands in the air and
then made quite a bit of noise, I imagine.
Speaker 9 (07:13):
You.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
So you showed it, yeah, and there was enough support
around us that we didn't feel that out of place.
To be honest, I think the whole crowd were appreciative
of the game itself. You know, it was a very
tough of fitting fitting Ranfurly shield challenge.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
So tell us about the time since you came home.
Tell us about their reception you got back and back
and Nelson when you landed.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Oh so, yeah, the airport was pretty much packed with
Marco fans and flags who you support, which was absolutely brilliant.
From there, we went back to the Union headquarters and
dropped off all the players gear, had a little bit
of a breather, and then we picked up on a
bus taken up to the top of the church steps
at Trafalgar Street, where we had a welcome and some
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dignitary speak before the captain spoke and Campbell was also interviewed,
and then we walked the shield right down Trafago Street
to our home base. And the last night we had
a sponsor's function and Trafalgar Park Pavilion, the home of
the Marco. Today we've just finished a public ceremony over
in Marlborough out in front of the council officers here with
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another big crowd and another loyal support, so massive for
both communities.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, I can imagine walking from the top of Trafalgar
Street down to Trafalgar Park. Yeah, I know they. I
know the stretcher rode very well, very very well. Indeed,
Steve would have been marvelous to take it down there.
So what about the week ahead, because clearly the players
now have to refocus because you've got you've got some
challenge coming on Sunday when Wellington come to try and
prize it away from you.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Oh yeah, yeah, correct, you know, so pretty much they've
had the first couple of days off and they've been
on board tomorrow morning. Yeah, you know, they've been fairly
sensible about their celebrations, so I'm hoping there's not too
much dust or or things to shake off.
Speaker 10 (09:02):
But yeah, they.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, very very very aware of what the shield meats
to not only themselves, oppor community. So we'll be well
prepared and we'll be ready for another battle and to
sell out Malboro. So yeah, we'll definitely have the crowd
support and the local advantage.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Has it reinforced to you the last forty eight hour Steve,
just how how significant this this trophy is, this log
of wood is to grassroots rugby fans in particular.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Yeah, yeah, it's amazing and you know, Provincial Union is
all about its community and so you know, being able
to celebrate a success like this with your community, this
is what it's all about. That's absolutely brilliant. Yeah, and
like I said, being the first time that Tasman's ever
won it. Today over in Marlborough, the nineteen seventy three
team members are also in attendance and so we've taken
some photos of the carent Arco Cropp with the nineteen
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seventy three lads. Yeah, and last night and Melton a
couple of old boys up in the front brought to tears.
So yeah, it's definitely special and we definitely recogniz as
a union and they definitely do.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Amazing and I mean you've just returned, haven't you. You
were you were down in Southland for a while as
CEO down there. I hope that's not the that's not
the old Bill coming to take the shield.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
And I'm not sure what's going on coming straight past me.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I was just going to say, you've returned. You you
were obviously tied up with the Tasman Union. You're you're
a Nelson boy. I think you went to Nelson Collis, didn't.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
You sore Nelson born and bred.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, so clearly this is special for you as well.
On a personal level.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Oh yeah, lot, definitely. I went down to Southland to
get the CEE bed. I've been an operations manager for
the union for some time and at the time to
become a CEE the pathway wasn't open, and I thought, well,
I'll go and I'll help another union, a like minded union,
and see if I can't make a positive difference down there.
And luckily enough, the people there got behind what we
were trying to implement, and I think you can see
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now in Southland, you know, they've certainly improved the way
they're operating and the performance on the field as well
as off the field. So you know, I'm still a
little bit of stagging at me and I think I
always well, this is my home and I've worked previously
across Tasman and other roles where I was working for
Bond behalf of both Nelson and Marlburn. You know, I've
known these boys. I've known Corney's strange since he first
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came out of college and was our generado. So to
see him now as the captain, David Bally, I've known
for many years he can make it all those boys.
So yeah, no, it's a privilege and I'm as proud
as hell to be leading this year.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I remember because Cahu mar Fella is still tied up
with the Union as well. I remember him playing for
Nelson bass for many many years.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Yeah well he played with my nephew and you know,
so yeah, this this, like I said, I was the
president of a local club, the Mighty Rangers out in
another movie for many years. This this is this is
my hometown. This is where I'm wong, and this is
where I want to make a huge difference.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Brilliant Just to finish, So, what what is the what
are the movements of the Ranfilly shield over over the
rest of this week before you you put it on
the line against Wellington and blame him on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Oh look it's it's got a full schedule and I
think part of it's even going over to Collingwood, to
Queen's hometown. Yeah, so you look at it. It's got
a full ski schedules. Basically the Queen in town we
named the guardian of the Shield from the team, which
the privilege was given to Quintin McDonald who's now the
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most capped Marco and also I believe the highest tri
score and one of our older members you know, just
sleet somebody according to the specifications from News on Rugby
who had the mana the mana so look after the
shield and and the senior player management shows continent. So
he's doing that very well.
Speaker 10 (12:49):
Well.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Congratulations to him, sirens everywhere everybody wants to get to
get a look at the ran fairly shield by the
sounds of it. Steve All, let you go, Congratulations on
a wonderful forty eight hours for your union. I think
I think, like you say, you could even you could
even tell from the Hawks Bay fans and even the players.
You know that when they handed over, it, handed it over.
They are stood the significance of it for those players
who had won it for the very first time for
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their provincial union. I hope you have a great week
look the Wellington fan and me almost almost hopes that
it's only a week. But then again I wouldn't I
wouldn't be at all concerned if it stayed in Tasman
for quite some time. Thanks for taking the time for
a chat.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Steve, Thank you very much for the opportunity. All the best,
all the.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Best of you too, Steve, that is Steve Mitchell, Tasman
Rugby Union CEO. Keen for your thoughts on the shield,
especially those of you from the top of the South
but anywhere really, oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
I thought the scenes when Tasman won it on Saturday
night were just a demonstration of where the real passion
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for rugby in this country actually lies. It is in
the provinces. I honestly believe that the entire professional New
Zealand rugby ecosystem, the All Blacks and super Rugby, could collapse,
could pathetically collapse, and ran Furley Shield would remain utterly
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meaningful and completely indestructible, unless, of course, it was dropped
on the concrete, but that's a different story. It is
by some distance the most coveted trophy in New Zealand
sport and the most recognizable. Is there another sporting trophy
that is as recognizable. You could show a picture of
the Ranfurley Shield to any KeyWe over the age of
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twelve and ask them what it was and most of
them would know. Even the Rugby World Cup wouldn't have
as much recognition. To be fair, yes it's pretty distinctive,
but the point stands and this one was extra special
because it was Tasman's first ever successful challenge and that loggerward,
as you heard from Steve, is going to be shared
far and wide around the region in the next few
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days before the team set about the very very stiff
task of trying to defend it against another of the
form teams in the comp Wellington on Sunday. Now, what
I would really love to see, what I'd really love
to see is the shield drop into the Heartland Championship.
We just need one of the teams from the Heartland
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to somehow win one of those ceremonial early season challenges.
You know when whoever's got it, takes it on the
road and sort of swats aside a couple of would
be challenges. I know one of them winning is highly unlikely,
almost impossible. But I do let myself dream about the
log of wood going to Ashburton or Graymouth, Rue Tortia,
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Masterton Uamaru Tikowiti. Imagine it, the fans of our smallest
rugby provinces getting up close with the famous log of wood.
I mean, when so little in rugby these days feels
truly special, truly tribal, truly meaningful. The ran fully Shield
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is all of those things, and regardless of the shape
of the professional game and the twists and turns, it
will continue to inevita take the Ranfilly Shield just stands
alone in its significance. It'll still be here in one
hundred years. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty back
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with your course right after this on sports Talk.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
The right call is your call on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty sports Talk call on your home of sports
used Talks.
Speaker 10 (16:29):
It'd be.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Five talking Ranfilly Shield, Rugby. What a game, what a finish?
Says Grant. And I'm an Otago supporter. I want to win. Yeah, Grant,
I don't think you have to be a supporter of
Tasman to enjoy the emotion that was clearly evident at
McLean Park on Saturday night. Even you would have enjoyed it. Graham.
Speaker 9 (16:50):
Oh, I know you are those Marco's boys because they
played for the Crusaderes.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Of course, I do you like your little brother?
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Oh no, well no I would. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (16:59):
Well they beat us as she but yeah, that's yeah,
we'd won't beating them a few times, but just yeah,
they got on Quintin's strange and it was a great
interview with Steve Mitchell. But I won't keep your tea
longs and may be busy, but you find you find,
you know. That was my earliest rugby memory was that
Marlborough took the shield off us and I was only
about seven and my cousin happened to be in the
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Marlborough team and my uncle Patt and Mum used to
have a lot of beans because he was the president
of the Vulvy but he's from Canterbury originally and we
were quick copped it from them. But it was all
good fun and yeah, it actually has quite special memories
for me. I remember seeing the Shield and the pub
up and Blenham was about I think they following Christmas
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they sort of paraded us through there like the defeated army.
Yeah it was look at what you've lost.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Oh that's brilliant. But that's the thing, though, is I
love the fact that when this trophy gets won by
somebody they take it out to the community. It seems
like it's almost it has to be done. It's almost
compulsory that you can't just put it in the in
the in a cupboard at Union HQ. Grame, you got
to take it around the place, show it too.
Speaker 9 (18:07):
I know you did right what you said at the
opening Jason about the Shield. It is special and you know,
when you lose it it's terrible, but when you win it,
you know, it's the best of feelings. And you know
the eighty two eighty five year here in Canada when
we had it for the twenty five before Auckland had it,
you know, that was the best rugby I ever watched.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
You know, Yeah, well that was amazing. You took it
of us. Wayne Smith took it all us up there
in Wellington. You might you might remember him sizing through
at Athletic Park.
Speaker 9 (18:34):
Wayne Smith's cause and Bernie's corner.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
I think yes he did, he did, but on but on, Yeah.
Speaker 9 (18:39):
The Shield in general, I mean it is and everybody
of a certain age and then you've got children. Now,
the children of Nelson and Blenham will be soaking up
their own memory banks of like me remember losing it
to Bolver back in the day. Yeah, So yeah, it
is special and I just love it and it is
that field that it's a trophy that goes into pubs
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and in local rugby clubs and in the kindery yartens
and it's unique like that amongst amongst you know, this
rugby in this country and there's something that goes back
all you know, well over one hundred years.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
It wouldn't it be great? Like I said, it will
never happen, but wouldn't it be great if somebody like
I don't know, South Canterbury got their hands on it,
or North Oktarga or someone and it just then just
stayed in the Heartland Championship for a while.
Speaker 9 (19:25):
Here I mentioned the South Canterbory actually ended Malver's. They
took it off of Marlboro and then I think Wellington
and your Lot took it off South Canterbury about a
week later, so they have had it, but now it's different.
Now it'll be have it got into the heartland, have
almost the big unions like the ones we support that
we go, oh, we were going to get it.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
No, that's right, that's the only problem. That's the only problem.
Wouldn't get back. And you know what, I wonder whether
that wouldn't be a bad thing. Graham, You know, I
know it'll never happen.
Speaker 9 (19:54):
Good luck to them if it happened, good luck to them.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Good on your grave, Good to genty as always.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Mate.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I'm just trying to remember the last time Canterbury get
the Shield. I think would have been the back end
of the last decade. I think twenty nineteen. You might
have had it for a couple of weeks. It kind
of jumped around a bit. I remember, I think Otago
had it, then you had it, Taranaki had it for
a week, Otago got it back and I think that's
in the Hawk's Bay took it. Yeah, it was. That's
what I think. That's what you want from the Shield.
Do you want it to sort of you know, jump around? Yeah,
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I mean, none of this Auckland sixty sixty challengers nonsense
from you know, from nineteen eighty five to ninety three.
While it's very famous, I think we all prefer for
it to jump around a little bit. Have you ever
seen it, Craig, Have you touched the ran Fury Shield?
Speaker 11 (20:37):
Many years ago when I was a young kid, my
dad took me to work at a stadium when they
were playing and won it, And I remember being up
on the shoulders watching the game and the pouring rain
as a kid at a seven year old game. I
don't see the point why am I getting wet for?
But well I can remember the highlight of the entire
day was I dropped my ice cream and you wouldn't
buy me another one.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
That's true provincial rugby memories.
Speaker 11 (21:03):
Yeah, well we grew up in Tierra, so Dad is
always you did, always follows teams value and always goes.
It would be great that these guys can win. It's
just what it would bring the whole little communities alive.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Really, Oh honestly would Craig, I was just saying a grahame.
You might have heard our conversation, the fact that imagine
if teams really won it, right, they would take it
to every corner of that province.
Speaker 10 (21:24):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 11 (21:26):
And then later on in life, I haven't really followed
rugby there much. I find it a bit confusing. So
a few years ago I got the one of the
New Zealand referees rule book from a friend of mine.
Does referee in the way A Yeah? So I used
to read that from cover to cover, going okay, but
then I always got confused with things like when the
or blocks are playing and the ball woul coming to
the back of the All Blacks, Scrumb and Alur and
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Smith would stand over and not touch it, and I'm
looking at the rule book and go, well, according to
the rule book, that's out. The other team can come
around and grab it, but the referees like, no, it's
not out.
Speaker 10 (21:54):
I'm going.
Speaker 11 (21:56):
So when you don't really know the rules like I do,
and you read the rule book and then you watch TV,
it makes it even more confusing to see what's going on.
I mean, then you've got don't gets misstarted in the
Northern Hemisphere referees, but you think I can't. They have
a rule book for everyone that everyone follows from like
first fifteen all the way to the top lead, but
it seems to be as you go up through the game,
the rules change all the time of the referee. There's
no consistency. So that's what confuses people like me who
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don't rely understand it that much.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, no, I get that it can be a confusing game, Craig,
It certainly can, and things like you've talked about as
the ball out is it not out? You know, there
are other other sports that seem to have a far
more simple set of rules, although some would argue that
that every code has its has its vagaries. I think
you better. You're better off sticking to buying ice cream
and sitting on your old man shoulders and the rain.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Mate.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
It sounds like a much better rugby memory to me.
Thanks for calling in, Don, says Ponty. Was really pleased
seeing the reception in Nelson for the shield. That's what
it's all about. I had the log of wood come
and stay at my house years ago when Harbor had
it for a while. See that's good, Don, See that's good.
I'm just trying to look back when Harbor had it
with them in two thousand and six. They had it
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for four challenges. According to the records I've got in
front of me here. I think that would have been
the only time went to Harbor form about eighty five,
didn't they. So yeah, I think that's the one and
only time North Harbor have had it. Good on your
don I hope you got a photo, Gavin says, I
might be biased coming from Whitecutor, but I still think
the best ever Ramfury Shield game was on the eighteenth
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of September nineteen ninety three, when White cut Or beat
Auckland seventeen six to end their winning streak. Gavin I
enjoyed it too. I remember watching it. I was living
and oddly enough, ironically enough, given where it is now,
I was living in Nelson at the time. I remember
watching it and didn't Graham Purvis sort of flick the
ball back onto the White Cuto side, perhaps illegally didn't
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he do that? I remember there was a parade and
somebody had brought along a cardboard cut out of a
big hand and said, this is Pervy's hand. This is
the reason we've got the shield. Yeah, it was like
even talking of even talk looking to Grahame before. I
can remember Wayne Smith taking it off Wellington in nineteen
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eighty two. You know how long ago. Is that forty
two years ago? And I can still remember it. I
can't remember All Blacks tests from a couple of years ago.
Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighties our number? Hello, Mark?
Speaker 12 (24:24):
You good?
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Mark, I'm good.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
How are you?
Speaker 10 (24:27):
Man? You're good? Good to hear it? Wealth and knowledge.
Speaker 12 (24:31):
Gandfully shell.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Yeah, you know it's an It's.
Speaker 12 (24:36):
Massive in New Zealand Rugby, you know, but always will
be around and it's a great thing. Hey, what was
your take on the All Blacks two tests?
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I thought South Africa were better in both of them. Actually,
what did you think?
Speaker 13 (24:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (24:51):
They were, but there's there's not a lot between the
teams though either No, I agree with that too.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
I agree with that too. The schoorelines would suggest it.
And look it's I feel like I feel like South
Africa really seized the crucial moments more than we did
even and this is this is very simplistic. But Damian
McKenzie had two shots a goal with two shots at
goal to take us ahead fifteen thirteen, hit the post
with one and missed the other from a fairly handy position.
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You know, you kick one or both of those in
it and the game goes off along a different path.
Speaker 10 (25:24):
You know.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
It's that's just one one instance.
Speaker 12 (25:27):
Yeah, you see, I mean we probably didn't get the
red of the grain, and we probably haven't good enough,
you know, to be to be fair, I mean we're
probably expected to win one. I wanted us to win one,
you know, one out of the two would have been fine.
But yeah, same so much and I think loving forward,
we're actually in good instead, you know, I mean the
big plan is the World Cup. You know, we're going
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to drop some tests. We are you know, we don't
like to say that, but at the moment.
Speaker 10 (25:53):
We're just we're there, but we're not.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
So that's that's a that's a really that's a really
good encapsulation. Were there, but we're not where We're there
or thereabouts. You're right, Marke. And if we win the
World Cup in twenty twenty seven, nobody will remember us
losing a couple of tenches to South Africa in twenty
twenty four.
Speaker 11 (26:10):
On your cheers, man, got on your mIRC.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Great to jet tamate all the best one hundred and
eighty ten eighty David. You had a friend who played
for Marlboro when they won the Shield in seventy.
Speaker 14 (26:19):
Three, well, a friend of a friend of a friend.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Now it's your friend, Mike. We're all connected. We're all
we're all connected.
Speaker 14 (26:27):
I'm you through rowing. But anyway, on the way home
from apparently they painted Alex Wiley, he was the coach,
Alex Wiley's mailbox green and white. He thought, No, you've
(26:48):
been a Fearham square And I've just said I've never
seen it, but I heard apparently it's still green and
white today or that faded. But I reckon that's brilliant
from them, and also from Alex Wiley.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I think that's brilliant from Griz just saying, you know what,
fair play to you. Fair play here. I wonder how
they know what.
Speaker 14 (27:07):
I can no, I remember what you're on TV and
the commentator says, well, these guys are happy, but those
can replies the shit they've got to go into the
sheds and face grids.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah that's right.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
I don't know why.
Speaker 14 (27:25):
I know seventy three, how many years ago that fifty.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yeah, fifty one years ago, yeah, fifty one years ago.
Speaker 14 (27:30):
Yeah, I can still remember the commentations.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Oh yeah, and see that's Davis again. The significance of
it is just illustrated by the point you make there
that there's so much rugby that is just samey, irrelevant,
not tribal at all. And yet we love the All
Blacks we of course we do. And we love Super
Rugby too, we love to watch it. But there is
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nothing really tribal yet about Super Rugby. Maybe there will
be in another twenty years. I tend to think there
won't be. The true tribal In New Zealand. Rugby is
at provincial level and it is at ran fully shield
time that that tribal nature really comes through. Look at
this way, This game's in Blenheim on Sunday, right, Tasman's
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a bit unusual, and that it's spread across Nelson Bays
and Marlborough to become Tasman. We all know this. But
what does Landsdown Park in Blenham hold. I think it
holds four or five thousand people. It could be wrong.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
You might know.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
If the Shield wasn't on the line, they probably would
have got a couple of thousand along tops. That place
will sell out on Sunday. Steve Mitchell said as much
when we chet it to him. Why because there's a
piece of wood on the sideline. Not to put too
fine a point on it. But it's the significance of
that that shows that, you know that at a time
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when we are struggling for crowds and for relevance and
for reasons to engage with this wonderful sport of ours,
the answer is right there. I know you can't replicate
it across all levels of rugby, but tribalism does exist.
It exists in the grassroots.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Hello, buzz, you got it, mart.
Speaker 10 (29:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
I've held on to that field twice actually in the
hand and photograph taken. Well. The first time was with
North Harbor when they won it. I worked at a
real college and they bought it around and three of
us stood with it and got a photograph take. And
then the second time was actually when more kiddo won
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it and I forget who they've beat to get it
out and it was displayed at the field days way
back and four of us. I've got the photograph hanging
on my wall. Now. Yeah, that's it's amazing thing to
hold on to.
Speaker 9 (30:00):
It really is.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
The thing that always they was interested me by. I've
held it as well when well and won it for
the first time in ages back. I think it was
in two thousand and age or something like that doesn't matter.
Is the is the the stand on the back of
it that comes out on its hinge. You know, you've
got it as if you hold it up, but almost
wex in the face if you're not careful. It's got
that you know, the you know, the stand that it
sits on.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I'm looking at the photograph now.
It was a brilliant piece of stuff. Maybe it's better
now that the it's when it got broken, they've fixed.
Speaker 9 (30:40):
It.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Might be slightly.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Yeah, that was great. It was really really good to
hold on them. And we were watch some of the
the White Catto boys were there. Even though we're in
the North Shore, we don't bear it for Auckland at all,
so yeah, you know, and some of the White Catto
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team were there and that they are really good. Well yeah,
four even four old fellows come and to have a
photograph with us.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
So yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
And that's and that again a demonstration of it.
Speaker 10 (31:17):
Right.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
I doubt that I don't know this to be true,
but I doubt you'd have too many other photos with
sporting trophies, you know, Like I can't even conjure an
image in my mind of what the MPC trophy looked
like or the Super Rugby And I think I think
I know what the Super Rugby trophy looks like. I
think I do. But if but if I went to
(31:39):
field Days and the Chiefs had one Super Rugby, I
wouldn't really be that concerned about getting a photo with
the Super Rugby trophy at field Days. But if the
shield was there, I might, I might get on your buzz.
Speaker 13 (31:56):
Henry Hi mate, Hey Jason, Hey, am you twenty seventeen?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Darnaki when they beat Henry twenty four?
Speaker 13 (32:03):
Yes, we're twenty four points down and making won the shield.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
So that's right, the shield.
Speaker 13 (32:08):
You know in rugby Parkers and you from the sow
from the home of the rugby. But what the Tarannicke
do is when they get it, you know, they take
it round the mountain. So little towns like Holder open Ache, Rokura, Englewood,
you know, everybody gets a chance to see it and
touch it, and it's just it's just becomes a part
over you.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
It's just you know, you don't need it.
Speaker 13 (32:28):
In Sega rugby, it's just you know, no.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I I again, you know, super rugby is by necessity
based in the metropolitan areas, and look and even I've
got to say, I got to say, Henry, even the
if I think of where I live in Wellington, if
Wellington win the Shield on Sunday, if they happen to
take it off Tasman, I can't imagine that there'll be
a massive turnout at Wellington Airport to welcome at home.
(32:52):
A few die hards will turn up, of course they will,
but nothing like what happened at Nelson Airport when it
flew back in there yesterday, And nothing like it would
be at at in some of the smaller provinces like Tartanaki,
you know, those sorts of places that that don't really
have an attachment to a super rugby side in terms
of having one based in their city.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
No exactly. You know, kind of like it means more
more to us to see that than you know, we'll.
Speaker 13 (33:18):
See you know, for years hearing if he used to
be the hurricanes were all, you know, a secret thing.
But the time they already have and you know we
had to go to the chiefs, so that kind of
that missed a lot of people up. It was just
you know, it just didn't feel the same mates.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, that's and see that's the thing is how can
you how can you create tribalism in a place like
New Plymouth or in the white of Tatanhaky region when
you've switched super rugby sites. I mean that this thing
you're always you'll always in Tanhak you have the Amber
and Blacks that will be that'll always be your team.
I mean, who's to say that at once the one
you know that they might not redesign it again and
you'll become part of the Blues.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Good on you, Henry. Good to chat to your mate.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty time for a
couple of quick calls on the all Blacks as well,
because I said we would Bevan. I know you've been
holding overall summation of the last two tests, mate.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
Oh, I think it was a bit expected. I was
just going to say that.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (34:12):
I think the Aussies, thinking they're a little bit they're
going to be upped up for the Bledderslow. I think
it's going to be pretty interesting.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
You reckon they think they can win it.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
Yeah, and well, I mean I suppose it's sort of
like two dogs in an alleyway having a bit of
a fight.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, it's good and I think having the first one,
having the first one over over in Australia will certainly
help them. I think if they if they can can
find a way to win over there, they will back
themselves to come here and win here in Wellington and
won it for the first time since win two thousand
and four.
Speaker 6 (34:48):
Yeah, well exactly because they don't have to go and
play in Auckland, you know, so then you know, so
they And the other thing too is that I was
just wondering what you thought about why why doesn't Jordy
do the long kicks? I mean, you know d mak
it was way out of his range and you know
who makes those decisions. I mean JEORDI I think is
a at a kicker than d mac and Boden's probably
(35:08):
the best kicker out of all three of them. So
that also raises a question about why players consistently in
the all backs being played out of position. I mean,
who the heck would have thought, you know, Jordan would
be a fullback. I mean, you know, he played all
his time in the wing and the Crusaders, So I
think that's one thing the allbacks just need to stop tinkering.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Around with the kicking.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
One's interesting, Bevin. I can only assume it's the players
themselves who decide they're out there, and they and I
mean d MAC did get the distance with the one
that hit the post, obviously because it hit the post,
and he got the distance with the other one too.
Some mu's actually made the point on email that they
thought that might have gone over look. I don't want
to relitigate it. It went above the upright, so it's
often hard to tell, but the touchy underneath it and
seems that they could have gone over But yeah, yeah,
(35:53):
Jordie is a very good long kicker and a very
good goalkicker full stop. I can only assume they've made
the decision that dmac's the kicker until he doesn't want
to do it anymore.
Speaker 6 (36:03):
Well, Can I ask you a personal question, do you
think Bodens better number ten than than DMC.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
And a better kicker?
Speaker 6 (36:11):
I'd say yes on both m.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I don't know about the goalkicking. I'm not sure that
Boden's goalkicking was even as good as Jordie's. If you're
asking me where the right, select Boden at number ten
ahead of Damien McKenzie for the next test. I think
the answer is yes, yes.
Speaker 10 (36:27):
I would exactly No.
Speaker 6 (36:30):
Good, No, that's what I'm thinking too.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
I think that needs too all right, Bevan, good to
chat may no doubt we'll yarn again as we get closer.
One more call on the Ramphilly Shield has been a
good discussion today. Mike, how are you.
Speaker 14 (36:43):
Good?
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Mate?
Speaker 10 (36:44):
Thank you yourself.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
I'm good, Mike, I'm good. Have you have you held
the mystical log of wood at some stage in your life?
Speaker 1 (36:51):
I have?
Speaker 10 (36:52):
Yep. So in two thousand and twelve I played for
the nineties Coast and we were lucky enough to win
the Meads Cup.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Yes. Yes.
Speaker 10 (37:02):
The following year. Our first game of the season was
in two thousand and thirteen and it was a.
Speaker 11 (37:07):
Randy Shield match against waykadow O, your beauty.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
I've only had won it. It never would have gone
back up the money had won it. What was the score?
Speaker 10 (37:14):
No, absolutely so. So what happened was the East Coast
Rugby Union at that time was the only rugby union
that had never scored a try and a ranfully Shield
match before, so all we really had to do was
get a try and we're a happy bunch of lads
in which we did. And I think the score towards
the end it was something like about thirty eight sixteen
(37:35):
or thirty eight twenty to the wayadow. But both teams
had great hunkers at the start and the whole field
came on, the spectators came on. It was a bit
of a bit of a Ardie barju right from the kickoff,
but it was it was a very good day, broken career.
They turned up and then after match function, I'd never
forget they had power raids and you know fruit and
the East Coast boys had Stein luggers and boilers.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
I love it, Mike. That is a man that only
you had won it. That's actually not a bad school one.
If only you won it and kept it down there
in the heartland, I think we'd all be a lot happier.
Good to chat. I got to move on at Callbeck anytime.
Love jetting to you. Just on thirteen to eight. We'll
take a break, comeback with Piney's Power Rankings. Good days,
(38:18):
our rankings. The time for Pinety's Power Rankings. Every Monday night.
We rate the best, the worst and everything in between.
From the Sporting Weekend ten ten is the All Whites
pretty underwhelming yesterday against and admittedly much higher ranked opponents
in Mexico. Queuing up on the edge Mexicoba. I've got
(38:40):
a third Louis rom All this time yeah three and
all lost to Mexico. They play the US on Wednesday nine.
The All Blacks on the plane home from South Africa
with two defeats and without the Freedom Cup.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Capped on South Africa side, and I'll have you out
of touch and South Africa fat the.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
All Blacks eighteen twelve. A better work to do, it
might be said for Razor and Men eight. Primos Roglich,
the Slovenian, came from behind to eventually win yet another
Love Welter Espana.
Speaker 8 (39:14):
Rocket Rodlich takes the overall in the Welter Espanya Slovenia,
winning all three grant SoRs this year, and Primos Roglich
is now a five time grants all winner.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Seven our US Open tennis champions have been crowned the
year of Tennis Majors, finishing exactly where it started. Wins
on the hard court to Arena Sablenka.
Speaker 8 (39:34):
She's writed this so badly for so long.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
In Arena Sablenka has known what the US solbit Andy
AIX Center for the worth finer who fo PI.
Speaker 8 (39:43):
Center has just won the US solbet his team and
tears centered the Champions.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Six Argentina and the Pumas. After being down twenty points
to three with half an hour gone, they went and
did this to the wof for Wallabies Argentina.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Make it a.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Record score and a sixty seven swint at the close.
Five into the top half and we find the San
Marino men's football team breaking a record we didn't know
we wanted to fall. This is not a drift. Remember
the time, the date, and the place. Three decades of
(40:25):
toil are over. San Marino have finally won a competitive
game of football.
Speaker 9 (40:32):
Four.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
This entry was submitted by an entirely unbiased radio producer.
The New Orleans Saints are at four and they keep
the current streak ring.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
What a performance from the Saints.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
Derek Carr and New Orleans start out with a big
division win.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
America back the New Orleans Saints the biggest winners on
the opening week of NFL Action three. This entry was
submitted by an entirely unbiased radio producer. The Newcastle Knights
but a.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Late season run once again from the Knights has them
back in the finals in twenty twenty four Selwich.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
What looked to be a lost season, they've now found
themselves somehow in the NRL finals. To the century was
submitted by an entirely unbiased radio producer, the Tasman Muckel.
Speaker 11 (41:21):
But a top towards the uprights and that's over, uh, Jasmin, Jasmin?
Speaker 2 (41:31):
When for redfully shield? And the shield has found a
new home at the top of the South. But it's
not number one. That goes to Anna Grimaldi. It took
a while for our first Paralympic gold, but it could
not have gone to a better person. On the inside.
Speaker 15 (41:48):
The New Zealand I see is looking supremely good. She
disappointed in the long joe finishing fourth position, but she's
looking up at the screen already. It's going to be
Ana Gamaldi who takes it.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
What a diamond of a human and now a gold
medalist at the Paralympic Games. I feel like you had
an inordinate influence on those power rankings tonight.
Speaker 7 (42:08):
I didn't influence them whatsoever. You heard They were all
by unbiased radio producers. I would have had those three
all up one spot though, But no fear enough Tannagrim
lay she deserved number one.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Half surprised a couple of them were there at all.
Should be happy. They even featured on Piney and Andy's
Power Rankings. They're back next Monday, six to eight, three
to eight. That's the show for tonight, Marcus Lush on
your radio after eight o'clock. I can tell you there
is still no sign of a start on day one
of the first tests, the only test between the black
Caps in Afghanistan. The umpires would have another look at
(42:43):
half past eight New Zealand time. There is still hope
of some play on day one. Thanks for listening in.
Huge thanks to Andy McDonald for producing the show and
contributing so significantly to Biney's Power Rankings tonight. Darcy Watergrove
back tomorrow night for Sports Talk. We will be back
on Saturday on midday Sport including Stacey Jones Live and
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Hello, Kyona, good evening and welcome in to Monday night
sports Talk on News Talks EDB. September nine, Happy birthday
Sean Johnson. Happy birthday former All Blacks hooker Anton Oliver.
The opening match of the twenty eleven Rugby World Cup
was also played on this date, September nine, twenty eleven.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Numbers away left Daniel Carter, Canada, car hooey, car hooey,
looking for the past nine o deak stepping scys first try.
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Of World Cup to Israel dank Yeah.
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The first of six All Blacks tries that night at
Eden Park in a forty one ten went over Tonger.
Just over six weeks later, the All Blacks lift at
the William Webb Ali Trophy for the second time. I'm
Jason Pine. The show is produced by Andy McDonald. We're
here until eight talking sports. Shield Fever has hit the
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top of the South Tasmine when the Redfury Shield for
the first time in their young history. Here the log
of Wood has arrived in the Tasman region. It's been
paraded through Nelson and Blenham. How big is this for
the region and it's Rugby Fraternity CEO of Tasman Steve
Mitchell standing by the chat to us and where does
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the ran fully Shield sit in our rugby ecosystem? I
know where it does for me, right at the very
top above it only sky your Ranfurlly Shield. Thoughts are
welcome tonight, particularly if you're in the new home of
the log of Wood somewhere along the top of the
South Island. Further up the rugby food chain. The All
(02:02):
Blacks have lost to South Africa for a second time
in the Republic. I don't think we've that badly. I've
got to say yesterday I wasn't on the air yesterday
on Weekend Sport at the weekend off for thanks to
Darcy Watergrove for filling them. But I didn't think we
were that bad. We just didn't play well enough in
either test actually to beat the best in the world. Now,
you may have some residual thoughts on this test which
(02:22):
you'd like to voice. We would be very happy to
provide that platform for you tonight some after thoughts or
some day after thoughts if you like. From Coach Scott
Robertson to play out for you as well, and every
Monday night, of course, we rate the best, the worst
and everything in between from the Sporting Weekend Piney's Power
Rankings before we close the show at eight o'clock tonight
(02:43):
Live Sport. Well, I was hoping, I was hoping that
there would be some test cricket to talk to you about.
There certainly is some scheduled first day of the Black
Apps Afghanistan Test in India were supposed to get underway
at four point thirty. Unfortunately, rain has to lay the
start and as you heard in our sports news at seven,
the next pitch inspection is at seven thirty. That's our time.
(03:05):
It's not actually raining at the moment. It hasn't been
all day or morning over there, but it has been
for large parts of the last few days, and parts
of the outfield the wicket block are still too damped
to get play started. Unfortunately, that as a side issue
isn't great for a Test cricket ground. If it's fine
in the morning, surely the covers should have done their
job over the last couple of three days, regardless of
(03:27):
our heavy the rain's been. If the pitch has been
covered then we should be underway. If it's fine there
at the moment. Anyway, that's a different conversation for another day.
They've taken lunch early. We'll keep you posted, as I say,
the next look at the conditions scheduled for around seven thirty.
We'd love you to join the show if you choose
to do so. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty gets
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Coming up ten past seven.
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Me to the left boot of Campbell Parata. He's about
forty eight meters from the posts thanks to Tamata and no,
why can they steal it?
Speaker 6 (04:18):
At the death?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Pardata lines up the posts.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
He'll have the distance.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
He's got a good boot on him.
Speaker 7 (04:26):
Direction is key Parata towards the uprights.
Speaker 8 (04:30):
And that's over.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Oh Tasman, Oh Tasaman, and the incredible scenes in nap
You're on Saturday Night a penalty from first five Campbell
Patata securing the ran Furly Shield for Tasman for the
first time in their history. Tasman muckl CEO is Steve Mitchell.
He joins us. Now, Steve, let's start with a a
(04:53):
with a broad question. How significant a moment is this
for the Tasman muckel.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Oh, absolutely messive. I mean, Tellers is quite a successful union.
The story of tes it's quite a success story. But
this is one trophy that we've never won and one
that I think there's three previous occasions where we're challenged
for it, we've never managed to pull it off. So yeah,
this is definitely, definitely a great milestone for Chasman Rugby.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Were you confident before kickoff?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Looky? You know you never like to get too confidence.
You can have a little requiet confidence, but that always
had to get taken too big a bure. So I
was in the team room as they were preparing to
go on the bus trip and then I traveled with
them in the bus and to be honest, there was
just an inspirational video and then there was no talking.
The music was turned off on the bus that had
(05:45):
their own But it was a very serious, So I say,
focused bus trip and the boys were well appeared and
ready to go to battles.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
So you're leading twenty two teen with fifteen minutes to go,
and then all of a sudden, Hawksbay go bang bang
with a couple of converted tries. Were you thinking the
chance might have slipped away?
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Look? To be honest, I personally was worried. Yeah, And
when it was twenty two when they were leading us
by two, I was definitely concerned. I think there was
six or seven seconds to go. But yeah, old nah way,
the turnover in the middle of the field and Campbell's
stepping up here, we definitely had everything crossed, and luckily
enough the penalty sailed through. We knew Hawks Bay a very,
(06:29):
very tough team, you know, and they've held it for
some time for a reason, so we knew things were
going to be tough. Yeah. So, but yeah, the result
was what we wanted. And so he breathed a sigh
of relief and yeah, and bring it home to the community.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Just before we move on to the to the to
the weak, he had just one final word on the
game and and Campbell pot Art's kick, I mean, what
was he forty seven meter, he's basically on halfway. Biggest
kick I'm sure of his career. How were your emotions
as he was lining it up and then as you
saw it sail through.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Oh look, where as he was lining it up, just
watching intently, but as it sailed through, yeah, I definitely
let in my seat and stands in the air and
then made quite a bit of noise, I imagine.
Speaker 9 (07:13):
You.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
So you showed it, yeah, and there was enough support
around us that we didn't feel that out of place.
To be honest, I think the whole crowd were appreciative
of the game itself. You know, it was a very
tough of fitting fitting Ranfurly shield challenge.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
So tell us about the time since you came home.
Tell us about their reception you got back and back
and Nelson when you landed.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Oh so, yeah, the airport was pretty much packed with
Marco fans and flags who you support, which was absolutely brilliant.
From there, we went back to the Union headquarters and
dropped off all the players gear, had a little bit
of a breather, and then we picked up on a
bus taken up to the top of the church steps
at Trafalgar Street, where we had a welcome and some
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dignitary speak before the captain spoke and Campbell was also interviewed,
and then we walked the shield right down Trafago Street
to our home base. And the last night we had
a sponsor's function and Trafalgar Park Pavilion, the home of
the Marco. Today we've just finished a public ceremony over
in Marlborough out in front of the council officers here with
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another big crowd and another loyal support, so massive for
both communities.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, I can imagine walking from the top of Trafalgar
Street down to Trafalgar Park. Yeah, I know they. I
know the stretcher rode very well, very very well. Indeed,
Steve would have been marvelous to take it down there.
So what about the week ahead, because clearly the players
now have to refocus because you've got you've got some
challenge coming on Sunday when Wellington come to try and
prize it away from you.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Oh yeah, yeah, correct, you know, so pretty much they've
had the first couple of days off and they've been
on board tomorrow morning. Yeah, you know, they've been fairly
sensible about their celebrations, so I'm hoping there's not too
much dust or or things to shake off.
Speaker 10 (09:02):
But yeah, they.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, very very very aware of what the shield meats
to not only themselves, oppor community. So we'll be well
prepared and we'll be ready for another battle and to
sell out Malboro. So yeah, we'll definitely have the crowd
support and the local advantage.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Has it reinforced to you the last forty eight hour Steve,
just how how significant this this trophy is, this log
of wood is to grassroots rugby fans in particular.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Yeah, yeah, it's amazing and you know, Provincial Union is
all about its community and so you know, being able
to celebrate a success like this with your community, this
is what it's all about. That's absolutely brilliant. Yeah, and
like I said, being the first time that Tasman's ever
won it. Today over in Marlborough, the nineteen seventy three
team members are also in attendance and so we've taken
some photos of the carent Arco Cropp with the nineteen
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seventy three lads. Yeah, and last night and Melton a
couple of old boys up in the front brought to tears.
So yeah, it's definitely special and we definitely recogniz as
a union and they definitely do.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Amazing and I mean you've just returned, haven't you. You
were you were down in Southland for a while as
CEO down there. I hope that's not the that's not
the old Bill coming to take the shield.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
And I'm not sure what's going on coming straight past me.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I was just going to say, you've returned. You you
were obviously tied up with the Tasman Union. You're you're
a Nelson boy. I think you went to Nelson Collis, didn't.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
You sore Nelson born and bred.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, so clearly this is special for you as well.
On a personal level.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Oh yeah, lot, definitely. I went down to Southland to
get the CEE bed. I've been an operations manager for
the union for some time and at the time to
become a CEE the pathway wasn't open, and I thought, well,
I'll go and I'll help another union, a like minded union,
and see if I can't make a positive difference down there.
And luckily enough, the people there got behind what we
were trying to implement, and I think you can see
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now in Southland, you know, they've certainly improved the way
they're operating and the performance on the field as well
as off the field. So you know, I'm still a
little bit of stagging at me and I think I
always well, this is my home and I've worked previously
across Tasman and other roles where I was working for
Bond behalf of both Nelson and Marlburn. You know, I've
known these boys. I've known Corney's strange since he first
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came out of college and was our generado. So to
see him now as the captain, David Bally, I've known
for many years he can make it all those boys.
So yeah, no, it's a privilege and I'm as proud
as hell to be leading this year.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I remember because Cahu mar Fella is still tied up
with the Union as well. I remember him playing for
Nelson bass for many many years.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Yeah well he played with my nephew and you know,
so yeah, this this, like I said, I was the
president of a local club, the Mighty Rangers out in
another movie for many years. This this is this is
my hometown. This is where I'm wong, and this is
where I want to make a huge difference.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Brilliant Just to finish, So, what what is the what
are the movements of the Ranfilly shield over over the
rest of this week before you you put it on
the line against Wellington and blame him on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Oh look it's it's got a full schedule and I
think part of it's even going over to Collingwood, to
Queen's hometown. Yeah, so you look at it. It's got
a full ski schedules. Basically the Queen in town we
named the guardian of the Shield from the team, which
the privilege was given to Quintin McDonald who's now the
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most capped Marco and also I believe the highest tri
score and one of our older members you know, just
sleet somebody according to the specifications from News on Rugby
who had the mana the mana so look after the
shield and and the senior player management shows continent. So
he's doing that very well.
Speaker 10 (12:49):
Well.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Congratulations to him, sirens everywhere everybody wants to get to
get a look at the ran fairly shield by the
sounds of it. Steve All, let you go, Congratulations on
a wonderful forty eight hours for your union. I think
I think, like you say, you could even you could
even tell from the Hawks Bay fans and even the players.
You know that when they handed over, it, handed it over.
They are stood the significance of it for those players
who had won it for the very first time for
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their provincial union. I hope you have a great week
look the Wellington fan and me almost almost hopes that
it's only a week. But then again I wouldn't I
wouldn't be at all concerned if it stayed in Tasman
for quite some time. Thanks for taking the time for
a chat.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Steve, Thank you very much for the opportunity. All the best,
all the.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Best of you too, Steve, that is Steve Mitchell, Tasman
Rugby Union CEO. Keen for your thoughts on the shield,
especially those of you from the top of the South
but anywhere really, oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
I thought the scenes when Tasman won it on Saturday
night were just a demonstration of where the real passion
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for rugby in this country actually lies. It is in
the provinces. I honestly believe that the entire professional New
Zealand rugby ecosystem, the All Blacks and super Rugby, could collapse,
could pathetically collapse, and ran Furley Shield would remain utterly
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meaningful and completely indestructible, unless, of course, it was dropped
on the concrete, but that's a different story. It is
by some distance the most coveted trophy in New Zealand
sport and the most recognizable. Is there another sporting trophy
that is as recognizable. You could show a picture of
the Ranfurley Shield to any KeyWe over the age of
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twelve and ask them what it was and most of
them would know. Even the Rugby World Cup wouldn't have
as much recognition. To be fair, yes it's pretty distinctive,
but the point stands and this one was extra special
because it was Tasman's first ever successful challenge and that loggerward,
as you heard from Steve, is going to be shared
far and wide around the region in the next few
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days before the team set about the very very stiff
task of trying to defend it against another of the
form teams in the comp Wellington on Sunday. Now, what
I would really love to see, what I'd really love
to see is the shield drop into the Heartland Championship.
We just need one of the teams from the Heartland
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to somehow win one of those ceremonial early season challenges.
You know when whoever's got it, takes it on the
road and sort of swats aside a couple of would
be challenges. I know one of them winning is highly unlikely,
almost impossible. But I do let myself dream about the
log of wood going to Ashburton or Graymouth, Rue Tortia,
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Masterton Uamaru Tikowiti. Imagine it, the fans of our smallest
rugby provinces getting up close with the famous log of wood.
I mean, when so little in rugby these days feels
truly special, truly tribal, truly meaningful. The ran fully Shield
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is all of those things, and regardless of the shape
of the professional game and the twists and turns, it
will continue to inevita take the Ranfilly Shield just stands
alone in its significance. It'll still be here in one
hundred years. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty back
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with your course right after this on sports Talk.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
The right call is your call on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty sports Talk call on your home of sports
used Talks.
Speaker 10 (16:29):
It'd be.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Five talking Ranfilly Shield, Rugby. What a game, what a finish?
Says Grant. And I'm an Otago supporter. I want to win. Yeah, Grant,
I don't think you have to be a supporter of
Tasman to enjoy the emotion that was clearly evident at
McLean Park on Saturday night. Even you would have enjoyed it. Graham.
Speaker 9 (16:50):
Oh, I know you are those Marco's boys because they
played for the Crusaderes.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Of course, I do you like your little brother?
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Oh no, well no I would. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (16:59):
Well they beat us as she but yeah, that's yeah,
we'd won't beating them a few times, but just yeah,
they got on Quintin's strange and it was a great
interview with Steve Mitchell. But I won't keep your tea
longs and may be busy, but you find you find,
you know. That was my earliest rugby memory was that
Marlborough took the shield off us and I was only
about seven and my cousin happened to be in the
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Marlborough team and my uncle Patt and Mum used to
have a lot of beans because he was the president
of the Vulvy but he's from Canterbury originally and we
were quick copped it from them. But it was all
good fun and yeah, it actually has quite special memories
for me. I remember seeing the Shield and the pub
up and Blenham was about I think they following Christmas
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they sort of paraded us through there like the defeated army.
Yeah it was look at what you've lost.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Oh that's brilliant. But that's the thing, though, is I
love the fact that when this trophy gets won by
somebody they take it out to the community. It seems
like it's almost it has to be done. It's almost
compulsory that you can't just put it in the in
the in a cupboard at Union HQ. Grame, you got
to take it around the place, show it too.
Speaker 9 (18:07):
I know you did right what you said at the
opening Jason about the Shield. It is special and you know,
when you lose it it's terrible, but when you win it,
you know, it's the best of feelings. And you know
the eighty two eighty five year here in Canada when
we had it for the twenty five before Auckland had it,
you know, that was the best rugby I ever watched.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
You know, Yeah, well that was amazing. You took it
of us. Wayne Smith took it all us up there
in Wellington. You might you might remember him sizing through
at Athletic Park.
Speaker 9 (18:34):
Wayne Smith's cause and Bernie's corner.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
I think yes he did, he did, but on but on, Yeah.
Speaker 9 (18:39):
The Shield in general, I mean it is and everybody
of a certain age and then you've got children. Now,
the children of Nelson and Blenham will be soaking up
their own memory banks of like me remember losing it
to Bolver back in the day. Yeah, So yeah, it
is special and I just love it and it is
that field that it's a trophy that goes into pubs
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and in local rugby clubs and in the kindery yartens
and it's unique like that amongst amongst you know, this
rugby in this country and there's something that goes back
all you know, well over one hundred years.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
It wouldn't it be great? Like I said, it will
never happen, but wouldn't it be great if somebody like
I don't know, South Canterbury got their hands on it,
or North Oktarga or someone and it just then just
stayed in the Heartland Championship for a while.
Speaker 9 (19:25):
Here I mentioned the South Canterbory actually ended Malver's. They
took it off of Marlboro and then I think Wellington
and your Lot took it off South Canterbury about a
week later, so they have had it, but now it's different.
Now it'll be have it got into the heartland, have
almost the big unions like the ones we support that
we go, oh, we were going to get it.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
No, that's right, that's the only problem. That's the only problem.
Wouldn't get back. And you know what, I wonder whether
that wouldn't be a bad thing. Graham, You know, I
know it'll never happen.
Speaker 9 (19:54):
Good luck to them if it happened, good luck to them.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Good on your grave, Good to genty as always.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Mate.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I'm just trying to remember the last time Canterbury get
the Shield. I think would have been the back end
of the last decade. I think twenty nineteen. You might
have had it for a couple of weeks. It kind
of jumped around a bit. I remember, I think Otago
had it, then you had it, Taranaki had it for
a week, Otago got it back and I think that's
in the Hawk's Bay took it. Yeah, it was. That's
what I think. That's what you want from the Shield.
Do you want it to sort of you know, jump around? Yeah,
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I mean, none of this Auckland sixty sixty challengers nonsense
from you know, from nineteen eighty five to ninety three.
While it's very famous, I think we all prefer for
it to jump around a little bit. Have you ever
seen it, Craig, Have you touched the ran Fury Shield?
Speaker 11 (20:37):
Many years ago when I was a young kid, my
dad took me to work at a stadium when they
were playing and won it, And I remember being up
on the shoulders watching the game and the pouring rain
as a kid at a seven year old game. I
don't see the point why am I getting wet for?
But well I can remember the highlight of the entire
day was I dropped my ice cream and you wouldn't
buy me another one.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
That's true provincial rugby memories.
Speaker 11 (21:03):
Yeah, well we grew up in Tierra, so Dad is
always you did, always follows teams value and always goes.
It would be great that these guys can win. It's
just what it would bring the whole little communities alive.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Really, Oh honestly would Craig, I was just saying a grahame.
You might have heard our conversation, the fact that imagine
if teams really won it, right, they would take it
to every corner of that province.
Speaker 10 (21:24):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 11 (21:26):
And then later on in life, I haven't really followed
rugby there much. I find it a bit confusing. So
a few years ago I got the one of the
New Zealand referees rule book from a friend of mine.
Does referee in the way A Yeah? So I used
to read that from cover to cover, going okay, but
then I always got confused with things like when the
or blocks are playing and the ball woul coming to
the back of the All Blacks, Scrumb and Alur and
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Smith would stand over and not touch it, and I'm
looking at the rule book and go, well, according to
the rule book, that's out. The other team can come
around and grab it, but the referees like, no, it's
not out.
Speaker 10 (21:54):
I'm going.
Speaker 11 (21:56):
So when you don't really know the rules like I do,
and you read the rule book and then you watch TV,
it makes it even more confusing to see what's going on.
I mean, then you've got don't gets misstarted in the
Northern Hemisphere referees, but you think I can't. They have
a rule book for everyone that everyone follows from like
first fifteen all the way to the top lead, but
it seems to be as you go up through the game,
the rules change all the time of the referee. There's
no consistency. So that's what confuses people like me who
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don't rely understand it that much.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, no, I get that it can be a confusing game, Craig,
It certainly can, and things like you've talked about as
the ball out is it not out? You know, there
are other other sports that seem to have a far
more simple set of rules, although some would argue that
that every code has its has its vagaries. I think
you better. You're better off sticking to buying ice cream
and sitting on your old man shoulders and the rain.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Mate.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
It sounds like a much better rugby memory to me.
Thanks for calling in, Don, says Ponty. Was really pleased
seeing the reception in Nelson for the shield. That's what
it's all about. I had the log of wood come
and stay at my house years ago when Harbor had
it for a while. See that's good, Don, See that's good.
I'm just trying to look back when Harbor had it
with them in two thousand and six. They had it
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for four challenges. According to the records I've got in
front of me here. I think that would have been
the only time went to Harbor form about eighty five,
didn't they. So yeah, I think that's the one and
only time North Harbor have had it. Good on your
don I hope you got a photo, Gavin says, I
might be biased coming from Whitecutor, but I still think
the best ever Ramfury Shield game was on the eighteenth
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of September nineteen ninety three, when White cut Or beat
Auckland seventeen six to end their winning streak. Gavin I
enjoyed it too. I remember watching it. I was living
and oddly enough, ironically enough, given where it is now,
I was living in Nelson at the time. I remember
watching it and didn't Graham Purvis sort of flick the
ball back onto the White Cuto side, perhaps illegally didn't
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he do that? I remember there was a parade and
somebody had brought along a cardboard cut out of a
big hand and said, this is Pervy's hand. This is
the reason we've got the shield. Yeah, it was like
even talking of even talk looking to Grahame before. I
can remember Wayne Smith taking it off Wellington in nineteen
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eighty two. You know how long ago. Is that forty
two years ago? And I can still remember it. I
can't remember All Blacks tests from a couple of years ago.
Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighties our number? Hello, Mark?
Speaker 12 (24:24):
You good?
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Mark, I'm good.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
How are you?
Speaker 10 (24:27):
Man? You're good? Good to hear it? Wealth and knowledge.
Speaker 12 (24:31):
Gandfully shell.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Yeah, you know it's an It's.
Speaker 12 (24:36):
Massive in New Zealand Rugby, you know, but always will
be around and it's a great thing. Hey, what was
your take on the All Blacks two tests?
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I thought South Africa were better in both of them. Actually,
what did you think?
Speaker 13 (24:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (24:51):
They were, but there's there's not a lot between the
teams though either No, I agree with that too.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
I agree with that too. The schoorelines would suggest it.
And look it's I feel like I feel like South
Africa really seized the crucial moments more than we did
even and this is this is very simplistic. But Damian
McKenzie had two shots a goal with two shots at
goal to take us ahead fifteen thirteen, hit the post
with one and missed the other from a fairly handy position.
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You know, you kick one or both of those in
it and the game goes off along a different path.
Speaker 10 (25:24):
You know.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
It's that's just one one instance.
Speaker 12 (25:27):
Yeah, you see, I mean we probably didn't get the
red of the grain, and we probably haven't good enough,
you know, to be to be fair, I mean we're
probably expected to win one. I wanted us to win one,
you know, one out of the two would have been fine.
But yeah, same so much and I think loving forward,
we're actually in good instead, you know, I mean the
big plan is the World Cup. You know, we're going
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to drop some tests. We are you know, we don't
like to say that, but at the moment.
Speaker 10 (25:53):
We're just we're there, but we're not.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
So that's that's a that's a really that's a really
good encapsulation. Were there, but we're not where We're there
or thereabouts. You're right, Marke. And if we win the
World Cup in twenty twenty seven, nobody will remember us
losing a couple of tenches to South Africa in twenty
twenty four.
Speaker 11 (26:10):
On your cheers, man, got on your mIRC.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Great to jet tamate all the best one hundred and
eighty ten eighty David. You had a friend who played
for Marlboro when they won the Shield in seventy.
Speaker 14 (26:19):
Three, well, a friend of a friend of a friend.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Now it's your friend, Mike. We're all connected. We're all
we're all connected.
Speaker 14 (26:27):
I'm you through rowing. But anyway, on the way home
from apparently they painted Alex Wiley, he was the coach,
Alex Wiley's mailbox green and white. He thought, No, you've
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been a Fearham square And I've just said I've never
seen it, but I heard apparently it's still green and
white today or that faded. But I reckon that's brilliant
from them, and also from Alex Wiley.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I think that's brilliant from Griz just saying, you know what,
fair play to you. Fair play here. I wonder how
they know what.
Speaker 14 (27:07):
I can no, I remember what you're on TV and
the commentator says, well, these guys are happy, but those
can replies the shit they've got to go into the
sheds and face grids.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah that's right.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
I don't know why.
Speaker 14 (27:25):
I know seventy three, how many years ago that fifty.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yeah, fifty one years ago, yeah, fifty one years ago.
Speaker 14 (27:30):
Yeah, I can still remember the commentations.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Oh yeah, and see that's Davis again. The significance of
it is just illustrated by the point you make there
that there's so much rugby that is just samey, irrelevant,
not tribal at all. And yet we love the All
Blacks we of course we do. And we love Super
Rugby too, we love to watch it. But there is
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nothing really tribal yet about Super Rugby. Maybe there will
be in another twenty years. I tend to think there
won't be. The true tribal In New Zealand. Rugby is
at provincial level and it is at ran fully shield
time that that tribal nature really comes through. Look at
this way, This game's in Blenheim on Sunday, right, Tasman's
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a bit unusual, and that it's spread across Nelson Bays
and Marlborough to become Tasman. We all know this. But
what does Landsdown Park in Blenham hold. I think it
holds four or five thousand people. It could be wrong.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
You might know.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
If the Shield wasn't on the line, they probably would
have got a couple of thousand along tops. That place
will sell out on Sunday. Steve Mitchell said as much
when we chet it to him. Why because there's a
piece of wood on the sideline. Not to put too
fine a point on it. But it's the significance of
that that shows that, you know that at a time
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when we are struggling for crowds and for relevance and
for reasons to engage with this wonderful sport of ours,
the answer is right there. I know you can't replicate
it across all levels of rugby, but tribalism does exist.
It exists in the grassroots.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Hello, buzz, you got it, mart.
Speaker 10 (29:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
I've held on to that field twice actually in the
hand and photograph taken. Well. The first time was with
North Harbor when they won it. I worked at a
real college and they bought it around and three of
us stood with it and got a photograph take. And
then the second time was actually when more kiddo won
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it and I forget who they've beat to get it
out and it was displayed at the field days way
back and four of us. I've got the photograph hanging
on my wall. Now. Yeah, that's it's amazing thing to
hold on to.
Speaker 9 (30:00):
It really is.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
The thing that always they was interested me by. I've
held it as well when well and won it for
the first time in ages back. I think it was
in two thousand and age or something like that doesn't matter.
Is the is the the stand on the back of
it that comes out on its hinge. You know, you've
got it as if you hold it up, but almost
wex in the face if you're not careful. It's got
that you know, the you know, the stand that it
sits on.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I'm looking at the photograph now.
It was a brilliant piece of stuff. Maybe it's better
now that the it's when it got broken, they've fixed.
Speaker 9 (30:40):
It.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Might be slightly.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Yeah, that was great. It was really really good to
hold on them. And we were watch some of the
the White Catto boys were there. Even though we're in
the North Shore, we don't bear it for Auckland at all,
so yeah, you know, and some of the White Catto
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team were there and that they are really good. Well yeah,
four even four old fellows come and to have a
photograph with us.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
So yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
And that's and that again a demonstration of it.
Speaker 10 (31:17):
Right.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
I doubt that I don't know this to be true,
but I doubt you'd have too many other photos with
sporting trophies, you know, Like I can't even conjure an
image in my mind of what the MPC trophy looked
like or the Super Rugby And I think I think
I know what the Super Rugby trophy looks like. I
think I do. But if but if I went to
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field Days and the Chiefs had one Super Rugby, I
wouldn't really be that concerned about getting a photo with
the Super Rugby trophy at field Days. But if the
shield was there, I might, I might get on your buzz.
Speaker 13 (31:56):
Henry Hi mate, Hey Jason, Hey, am you twenty seventeen?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Darnaki when they beat Henry twenty four?
Speaker 13 (32:03):
Yes, we're twenty four points down and making won the shield.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
So that's right, the shield.
Speaker 13 (32:08):
You know in rugby Parkers and you from the sow
from the home of the rugby. But what the Tarannicke
do is when they get it, you know, they take
it round the mountain. So little towns like Holder open Ache, Rokura, Englewood,
you know, everybody gets a chance to see it and
touch it, and it's just it's just becomes a part
over you.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
It's just you know, you don't need it.
Speaker 13 (32:28):
In Sega rugby, it's just you know, no.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I I again, you know, super rugby is by necessity
based in the metropolitan areas, and look and even I've
got to say, I got to say, Henry, even the
if I think of where I live in Wellington, if
Wellington win the Shield on Sunday, if they happen to
take it off Tasman, I can't imagine that there'll be
a massive turnout at Wellington Airport to welcome at home.
(32:52):
A few die hards will turn up, of course they will,
but nothing like what happened at Nelson Airport when it
flew back in there yesterday, And nothing like it would
be at at in some of the smaller provinces like Tartanaki,
you know, those sorts of places that that don't really
have an attachment to a super rugby side in terms
of having one based in their city.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
No exactly. You know, kind of like it means more
more to us to see that than you know, we'll.
Speaker 13 (33:18):
See you know, for years hearing if he used to
be the hurricanes were all, you know, a secret thing.
But the time they already have and you know we
had to go to the chiefs, so that kind of
that missed a lot of people up. It was just
you know, it just didn't feel the same mates.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, that's and see that's the thing is how can
you how can you create tribalism in a place like
New Plymouth or in the white of Tatanhaky region when
you've switched super rugby sites. I mean that this thing
you're always you'll always in Tanhak you have the Amber
and Blacks that will be that'll always be your team.
I mean, who's to say that at once the one
you know that they might not redesign it again and
you'll become part of the Blues.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Good on you, Henry. Good to chat to your mate.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty time for a
couple of quick calls on the all Blacks as well,
because I said we would Bevan. I know you've been
holding overall summation of the last two tests, mate.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
Oh, I think it was a bit expected. I was
just going to say that.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (34:12):
I think the Aussies, thinking they're a little bit they're
going to be upped up for the Bledderslow. I think
it's going to be pretty interesting.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
You reckon they think they can win it.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
Yeah, and well, I mean I suppose it's sort of
like two dogs in an alleyway having a bit of
a fight.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, it's good and I think having the first one,
having the first one over over in Australia will certainly
help them. I think if they if they can can
find a way to win over there, they will back
themselves to come here and win here in Wellington and
won it for the first time since win two thousand
and four.
Speaker 6 (34:48):
Yeah, well exactly because they don't have to go and
play in Auckland, you know, so then you know, so
they And the other thing too is that I was
just wondering what you thought about why why doesn't Jordy
do the long kicks? I mean, you know d mak
it was way out of his range and you know
who makes those decisions. I mean JEORDI I think is
a at a kicker than d mac and Boden's probably
(35:08):
the best kicker out of all three of them. So
that also raises a question about why players consistently in
the all backs being played out of position. I mean,
who the heck would have thought, you know, Jordan would
be a fullback. I mean, you know, he played all
his time in the wing and the Crusaders, So I
think that's one thing the allbacks just need to stop tinkering.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Around with the kicking.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
One's interesting, Bevin. I can only assume it's the players
themselves who decide they're out there, and they and I
mean d MAC did get the distance with the one
that hit the post, obviously because it hit the post,
and he got the distance with the other one too.
Some mu's actually made the point on email that they
thought that might have gone over look. I don't want
to relitigate it. It went above the upright, so it's
often hard to tell, but the touchy underneath it and
seems that they could have gone over But yeah, yeah,
(35:53):
Jordie is a very good long kicker and a very
good goalkicker full stop. I can only assume they've made
the decision that dmac's the kicker until he doesn't want
to do it anymore.
Speaker 6 (36:03):
Well, Can I ask you a personal question, do you
think Bodens better number ten than than DMC.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
And a better kicker?
Speaker 6 (36:11):
I'd say yes on both m.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I don't know about the goalkicking. I'm not sure that
Boden's goalkicking was even as good as Jordie's. If you're
asking me where the right, select Boden at number ten
ahead of Damien McKenzie for the next test. I think
the answer is yes, yes.
Speaker 10 (36:27):
I would exactly No.
Speaker 6 (36:30):
Good, No, that's what I'm thinking too.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
I think that needs too all right, Bevan, good to
chat may no doubt we'll yarn again as we get closer.
One more call on the Ramphilly Shield has been a
good discussion today. Mike, how are you.
Speaker 14 (36:43):
Good?
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Mate?
Speaker 10 (36:44):
Thank you yourself.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
I'm good, Mike, I'm good. Have you have you held
the mystical log of wood at some stage in your life?
Speaker 1 (36:51):
I have?
Speaker 10 (36:52):
Yep. So in two thousand and twelve I played for
the nineties Coast and we were lucky enough to win
the Meads Cup.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Yes. Yes.
Speaker 10 (37:02):
The following year. Our first game of the season was
in two thousand and thirteen and it was a.
Speaker 11 (37:07):
Randy Shield match against waykadow O, your beauty.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
I've only had won it. It never would have gone
back up the money had won it. What was the score?
Speaker 10 (37:14):
No, absolutely so. So what happened was the East Coast
Rugby Union at that time was the only rugby union
that had never scored a try and a ranfully Shield
match before, so all we really had to do was
get a try and we're a happy bunch of lads
in which we did. And I think the score towards
the end it was something like about thirty eight sixteen
(37:35):
or thirty eight twenty to the wayadow. But both teams
had great hunkers at the start and the whole field
came on, the spectators came on. It was a bit
of a bit of a Ardie barju right from the kickoff,
but it was it was a very good day, broken career.
They turned up and then after match function, I'd never
forget they had power raids and you know fruit and
the East Coast boys had Stein luggers and boilers.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
I love it, Mike. That is a man that only
you had won it. That's actually not a bad school one.
If only you won it and kept it down there
in the heartland, I think we'd all be a lot happier.
Good to chat. I got to move on at Callbeck anytime.
Love jetting to you. Just on thirteen to eight. We'll
take a break, comeback with Piney's Power Rankings. Good days,
(38:18):
our rankings. The time for Pinety's Power Rankings. Every Monday night.
We rate the best, the worst and everything in between.
From the Sporting Weekend ten ten is the All Whites
pretty underwhelming yesterday against and admittedly much higher ranked opponents
in Mexico. Queuing up on the edge Mexicoba. I've got
(38:40):
a third Louis rom All this time yeah three and
all lost to Mexico. They play the US on Wednesday nine.
The All Blacks on the plane home from South Africa
with two defeats and without the Freedom Cup.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Capped on South Africa side, and I'll have you out
of touch and South Africa fat the.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
All Blacks eighteen twelve. A better work to do, it
might be said for Razor and Men eight. Primos Roglich,
the Slovenian, came from behind to eventually win yet another
Love Welter Espana.
Speaker 8 (39:14):
Rocket Rodlich takes the overall in the Welter Espanya Slovenia,
winning all three grant SoRs this year, and Primos Roglich
is now a five time grants all winner.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Seven our US Open tennis champions have been crowned the
year of Tennis Majors, finishing exactly where it started. Wins
on the hard court to Arena Sablenka.
Speaker 8 (39:34):
She's writed this so badly for so long.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
In Arena Sablenka has known what the US solbit Andy
AIX Center for the worth finer who fo PI.
Speaker 8 (39:43):
Center has just won the US solbet his team and
tears centered the Champions.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Six Argentina and the Pumas. After being down twenty points
to three with half an hour gone, they went and
did this to the wof for Wallabies Argentina.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Make it a.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Record score and a sixty seven swint at the close.
Five into the top half and we find the San
Marino men's football team breaking a record we didn't know
we wanted to fall. This is not a drift. Remember
the time, the date, and the place. Three decades of
(40:25):
toil are over. San Marino have finally won a competitive
game of football.
Speaker 9 (40:32):
Four.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
This entry was submitted by an entirely unbiased radio producer.
The New Orleans Saints are at four and they keep
the current streak ring.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
What a performance from the Saints.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
Derek Carr and New Orleans start out with a big
division win.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
America back the New Orleans Saints the biggest winners on
the opening week of NFL Action three. This entry was
submitted by an entirely unbiased radio producer. The Newcastle Knights
but a.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Late season run once again from the Knights has them
back in the finals in twenty twenty four Selwich.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
What looked to be a lost season, they've now found
themselves somehow in the NRL finals. To the century was
submitted by an entirely unbiased radio producer, the Tasman Muckel.
Speaker 11 (41:21):
But a top towards the uprights and that's over, uh, Jasmin, Jasmin?
Speaker 2 (41:31):
When for redfully shield? And the shield has found a
new home at the top of the South. But it's
not number one. That goes to Anna Grimaldi. It took
a while for our first Paralympic gold, but it could
not have gone to a better person. On the inside.
Speaker 15 (41:48):
The New Zealand I see is looking supremely good. She
disappointed in the long joe finishing fourth position, but she's
looking up at the screen already. It's going to be
Ana Gamaldi who takes it.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
What a diamond of a human and now a gold
medalist at the Paralympic Games. I feel like you had
an inordinate influence on those power rankings tonight.
Speaker 7 (42:08):
I didn't influence them whatsoever. You heard They were all
by unbiased radio producers. I would have had those three
all up one spot though, But no fear enough Tannagrim
lay she deserved number one.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Half surprised a couple of them were there at all.
Should be happy. They even featured on Piney and Andy's
Power Rankings. They're back next Monday, six to eight, three
to eight. That's the show for tonight, Marcus Lush on
your radio after eight o'clock. I can tell you there
is still no sign of a start on day one
of the first tests, the only test between the black
Caps in Afghanistan. The umpires would have another look at
(42:43):
half past eight New Zealand time. There is still hope
of some play on day one. Thanks for listening in.
Huge thanks to Andy McDonald for producing the show and
contributing so significantly to Biney's Power Rankings tonight. Darcy Watergrove
back tomorrow night for Sports Talk. We will be back
on Saturday on midday Sport including Stacey Jones Live and
(43:04):
Studio one to two.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
Hope.
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