September 11, 2024 • 43 mins
ZB's own D'Arcy Waldegrave returns to recap a full day in the world of sport! Highlights for tonight include:
Melodie Robinson - GM of Sport and Events at TVNZ - On the NZ Breakers going to free to air.
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Darren Bazley - All Whites Head Coach - On their impressive 1-1 draw with the USA.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Waldegrave
from News Talk ZEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Greetings, Greetings, welcome into sports Talk. Gotta stop channeling p J. Montgomery.
I go to start the program. Greetings New Zealand. Hello aall,
Welcome to Sports Talk. My name's Darcy Waltergrove and it's
seven minutes after seven. It's a Wednesday evening, eleventh of
September twenty twenty four. Coming up on this evenings program,
(00:56):
lots of you, a wee bit of me and some
other bits and bobs. Those other bits and bobs are
Darren Beasley or White's head coach. One one draw again
the United States of America today, great turnaround after getting
pumped by Mexico on Sunday. We're talk to me about
how now Brown Cow? What where?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Who?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Positive? Considering their rank sixteenth in the world. The Americans,
whether the full strength team, possibly not, but it doesn't matter.
It's away from home. It was a top team and
they didn't lose.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Brilliant.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Darren Pasey joined us later and the piece when do
you get things underway? Shortly with the military. Robinson, general
manager of Sports and Events at TV and ZED that
the New Zealand Breakers have signed a free to ear
deal with TV and ZED to screen all of their
games in the twenty twenty four to twenty five season.
So what does this mean for Sky TV going for?
(01:51):
What have TV and Z splashed on? How much have
they paid? They'll never tell us that. I'm not even
going to pretend to say, though, will What have they done?
Why have they done it? What is the drive? Slowly
but surely it's the return to the old old days
when sport was free to air. And I was talking
to one of my younger colleagues today and I asked,
(02:14):
it's a great it's a return to the old days
when you get free to wear sport on TV and
he goes Darcy and I want to break your bubble.
But I'm a bit younger than you. PATV has been
around since I grew up. I don't remember free to
wear sports. Oh wow, kating, But it's true. We'll talk
to you about that about Sky TV. Are they in
(02:35):
trouble with more and more sport going free to air?
As rugby NRL is there? That's all they've got, right?
Is that enough to hold you? Do you need more?
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Or this?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
What does this say? About Sky's grip on New Zealand
televised sport. We'll talk about that with yourselves of one
hundred and eighty ten eighty shortly. But before that, what
about a better this sport today? And in sport today?
Scary af Navajo Sterling is punched his way into the
UFC the MMA fighter who trains out of a Central
(03:05):
Auckland gym. It's been offered a contract for the Lucrave
Global Sanction Violence Circuit. Put too much thought though into
what this means after spending a great deal of time
in a crate.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
I don't think too much ahead of it. I just
know they're like my style. I just got to roll
up and win and people will love it. I've been
hidden away in New Zealand. I've been changed for so long,
and as finally good to show that I'm like you know,
I'm here.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Bad, I'm my rage. I am still just a ran
and the all whites and fashion to draw agast. The
United States of America won all the final score. Coach
darn Baisley, who joins the show later in the piece,
he loved the bounce back after the limp effort against
Mexico on Sunday.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
I thought it was a good reaction from our players
and the fight and the impact.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
From the subs was great. You know, everybody worked.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
Hard, played as a team and coming up against the
team ranked sixteen in the world, that was a lot better.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
New Zealand bicycle beast Aaron gab is off on an
adventure in the UCI world to it next year. He's
clipping his spokey dokies on for Astana, Kazakhstan, and all
of us velodrome work will not be in Vain.
Speaker 7 (04:15):
They want me to slot them with the sprint train.
So a big part of pro cycling is the is
the big bunch sprints and the sprinters they need someone
to help set them up and put them in good position.
And I think the attributes you get from the track
that sustained high power efforts are quite good.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
And Formula one's design Messiah Adrian knew he he has
deserted a red ball for Eston Martin. The team owner
Lawrence Stroll, has been key in the move, which is
reportedly worth a couple one hundred million dollars in New
Zealand over five years and more with win bonuses. Lawrence's
Sam Lawrence he signed for another couple of years is
(04:50):
still a problem in my opinion. So Adrian, why did
you sign?
Speaker 8 (04:53):
Having a shareholding and a partnership makes you feel much
more as if you have got skin in the game.
Lawrence's commitment is very endearing and very obvious. He's more
than happy to put all his chip on black and
give it everything.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
And you forgot the bit about not wanting to move
to Italy. What he was going to Ferrari? Then second,
I live there.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
And that's sport today.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Big news that today for free to wear sport, that
news to come out that TVNZ plus have got their
hands on The Breakers. Were joined now by TV and
z's GM of Sports and Events, Mel Robinson. Welcome to
the show. I expect you're smarting from ear to ear
and now you've managed to nab the Breakers.
Speaker 9 (05:38):
I'm so excited.
Speaker 10 (05:39):
We all know basketball is a sport that young kids
play in New Zealand and it's super popular with those
younger age groups, and that means we're going to get
them into our TV and Z plus platform and hopefully
get them watching more Breakers.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
So I think the big thing around this, Mel is
the breakdown with Sky and the ability to provide the
production on the ground as opposed to what you out
from over in Australia. So the production at TV and
Z providing that. Are you putting cameras and people on
(06:14):
the ground to do this.
Speaker 10 (06:16):
It's a partnership with ESPN, so they own the rights,
so they will be producing it. They contract a company
to do that and then they will hire any peace
So we still have the New Zealand crew doing the
production on the ground, but it goes through to Melbourne.
They put commentary on it from over in Melbourne and
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then it gets set back to us. So it's pretty complicated.
But with Stoke that we're in a partnership with ESPN
because this is the first time, you know, we've done
something like that's with them.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
So what's different that you all bought that's different to
what Sky we're getting out to? How's that altered?
Speaker 9 (06:55):
Look?
Speaker 10 (06:55):
I think that Sky's probably thinking about some of the
other big rights that are coming to market as well,
and you've got to be really careful with what you
spend your money on. So I mean, you'd have to
them to find out the answer to that. But the
cool thing is that that opens up opportunities for tvn
Z and partnering with people like Espen. Don't forget that
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ESPN is still on the Sky platforms, so they'll have
all the NBL games on the two ESPN channels, and
they'll probably have the Breakers. I haven't seen their schedule yet,
not sure if they're going to put them up live
against US, so I think actually.
Speaker 9 (07:31):
Sky has probably got the best of both worlds there.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
So you're getting both home and away games on TVNZ
plus free to wear.
Speaker 10 (07:38):
That's how I want all Breakers games all live on
tvn Z plus, also on Duke. We'll have a couple
of those on Duke slightly delayed because essentially we've got
Super Smash on at the same time over the summer,
so you can be watching Super Smash on Duke and
then straight away you'll get the Breakers game. If the
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cricket finishes early, then the Breakers game will be live
on Duke.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
So Mel when it comes to cost, not going to
give me details, but did you play for this, did
this come out of the budget or what was the
deal there.
Speaker 10 (08:11):
We've been creative with how we've partnered with ESPN. That's
how I'll put it. We never talk about how much
money we put on the table. But you know, it's
going to be really a healthy deal for temn Z
because we're still going to get advertising revenue out of it.
We're looking for a broadcast sponsor. But most importantly, I
love basketball, so do my kids. I go to the
games anyway, I pay for my tickets. So I'm just
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excited that we've got a sport like the Breakers on
our platform, back to back with a cricket all summer.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Nol Robinson TV and Said's general manager of Sports and Events.
Just going back to the production itself, can you assure
us that it will be the same quality that Breakers
fans have experienced in previous years.
Speaker 9 (08:53):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 10 (08:54):
You've got the same crew, the same camera guys, same directors.
Speaker 9 (08:58):
It will be really high quality. And why wouldn't it be.
Speaker 10 (09:01):
If ESPN has taken control of it, it's going to
be great.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
So we are losing money at TVNZ. We all know this.
So how much of this is a move for you
to get more eyeballs and maybe even disrupt Sky with
the attack on free to wear sport that you're currently waging.
Speaker 10 (09:18):
Look, our sports are strategy at the moment, in fact,
our content strategy, we're only signing up things that make
us money. It's as simple as that. And so what
you could estimate there is that a product like The
Breakers is going to be positive for TV and Z
in terms of revenue. We are always getting the audiences,
(09:42):
so our driver is not about getting audiences in as
much as making sure they're also pretending our revenue. So
this is a good business decision to partner with ESPN.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
So as far as the revenue now has manifested, how
does that work? Are we looking at advertisements being thrown
in between quarters? Is it going to interrupt the quality
of their viewing for the list and how do you
wrap around a way to moneytize it that doesn't interrupt
the live viewing or are you intending on doing that now?
Speaker 9 (10:11):
We're super careful with how we serve ads.
Speaker 10 (10:13):
I don't know if you've watched a lot of our
sports over the last few years that we learnt the
hard way when we had Commonwealth Games back in twenty
eighteen that you're going to be really selective and careful
about where you put the.
Speaker 9 (10:24):
Ads in sports.
Speaker 10 (10:26):
So what we're doing with The Breakers is we're taking
the natural breaks that you are already used to and
we'll be popping our ads in those, so that's after
every quarter, and there's one one minute time out break
in the final quarter that we can also pop an
add in. So you're not going to notice any extra
advert load at all. Will be exactly the same as
you've seen them past.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Well, we just might not hear the coaches f bombing.
Speaker 10 (10:50):
Well that's a good thing, isn't it. I'm not sure
if the Breakers coach this year's going to f bomb
that much, to be honest.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
So, yeah, you're taking on the Sky TV with us
free to air, and you look at everything you've got.
It's an attempt to maybe remove people's subs to really
hit Sky where it hurts. If they can get so
much free to wear sporting product, it's got to be
a worry to them.
Speaker 10 (11:15):
Look, we're actually not about taking Sky down, and we're
really sort of just focusing on ourselves. So if we
have opportunities that come to us and they work for us,
we're going to say yes. I think we have a
really strong content strategy now where sports and entertainment and
news are all together in terms of priority. So we're
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regarding sports as just the same opportunity as an entertainment product,
a news product, and we're just lucky enough to have
a couple of them coming across the table lately, met.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Robinson, what about rugby? Have you got eyes on that?
Because the deal's coming up with Sky And what about
the A League? Is a lot of interest around that
and where that ends up landing. Now there are two
relevant teams within the A League, So what space you
when it comes to possibly lassoing in those two sports.
Speaker 10 (12:09):
Well, we can't pick up everything, so we've had to
be really careful about who negotiating with and who we're
putting offers down on the table. So the Breakers was
our priority, as was anyfel which is the other one
that we did a soft launch on the weekend. We've
got that through to the Super Bowl as well. We're
probably not going to look at too much else over
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the next financial year, which is through to June next year,
because we've got so much at the moment. So we're
pretty settled with where we are in terms of rugby.
You know, I love rugby, but that's an exclusive negotiation
right now with SkyTV, and I'm pretty sure that is
one that they'll certainly want to keep on their platform.
Speaker 9 (12:49):
No doubt about that.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah, and we know how can you on rugby being
of course the national representative for a time, that's not
lost on all of us. So there's NFL thing's interesting
as well. Is that merely a hangover from what Spark
Sports signed up.
Speaker 9 (13:03):
To It was, but this was a new deal.
Speaker 10 (13:07):
We saw amazing results on our platform, particularly for Super Bowl,
but we've got some really good lead in from the
playoff games as well last year, so we knew that
this one again is a sport that brings in those
younger demographics and male demographics, young females as well. The
Super Bowl. We had so many new sign ups on
the day of Super Bowl last year that we thought
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that this is definitely one that we wanted to resign.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
It's the swift effect. So you see before, you're not
chasing anything else, but the A League is that hovering?
Is it even a possibility if you can find some
more money?
Speaker 10 (13:45):
Look that I don't know what the A League is doing,
So you've got to have a ring ring up Nick
the CEO and see what they're doing.
Speaker 9 (13:53):
That's what I would say there.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Do you want to flip me his number? You must
have a direct cell phone.
Speaker 9 (13:58):
Well, I know Ali very well.
Speaker 10 (14:00):
He's one of the owners, so I'm sure that they're
beving around in the background to try and sew up
their deal.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
And I'll finish on this and Mel Robinson, tvn z's
sport and Events general manager, is this move towards sport
maybe the last hope for terrestrial television.
Speaker 10 (14:20):
Well, actually it drives audience to the digital platform. So
for Euros we had round about seven million streams on
the Euros. It was unbelievably successful for TV and Z Plus,
So sport is actually a mechanism to push New Zealand
audiences onto our platform. And our whole strategy is about
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moving everything to TV and Z plus in digital over
the next five years or so. So you know, we
see big sports events has been very successful. We know
we've got to keep our broadcast TV linear still going
because a lot of our sports rights holders want to
be on normal terrestrial TV because lots of people are
still there. So that's why we've got the breakers for
(15:04):
instance on Juke, That's why Superma on Jokers, why T
twenties are on Television one, because we're still picking up
massive audiences. So TV broadcast is not dead yet.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Forget the refs call, You make the call on eight
hundred eighty eight.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Sports Talk on your home of Sports News Talks EB.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Seven twenty one Sports Talk here on News Talk ZB
lines are open, oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
That was Mel Robinson, of course former black Fern personally
a terrific lady. Loved the family, Marcus Wheelhouse and the like.
Nice to talk to it. But aside that, that was
an enjoyable conversation, pretty clear around what they're after, pretty
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direct too. She's the general manager of sport and events
at TV and Z. They're going after them, maybe not directly,
but then directly they'll be caving in. Lorc. Sky didn't
want to have a bar of it, plainly, the Breakers
wanted still to be on it. It still could have
worked it through ESPN, which is what Sky had.
Speaker 7 (16:11):
Sky.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I'm presuming that I'm not going to pay for ESPN,
and then I'm going to pay for the Breakers all
over again. It's paying for the same thing twice. What's
the point. And then you've got to go and pay
for the broadcast rights. And from what I can gather,
we're talking about not the broadcast rights N actual production
rights maybe sixty to eighty thousand dollars a game, So
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that's obviously been sorted out TV and Z and they're
taking it. And it makes perfect sense that they will.
What the deal was, we don't know. We never will,
but they're broke, so they're hardly going to peel off notes.
Are they to pick it up? But they've got the cricket,
they've got the breakers, they've had some really big events.
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Slowly but surely the worm is turning more and more
sports going to free to air. Question to you, oh,
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty, I suppose twofold one.
How much to events like this change your subscription habits?
(17:12):
Do you reconsider what you do around what you pay
for based on decisions like this when you weigh it up. Secondly,
there's rugby and NRL enough to hold you with Sky
Sport perfectly brutal about it. When you look at what
(17:35):
happens over the summer, there's no rugby, there's no rugby league.
You watch a lot of cricket and a bit of basketball.
You're thinking, unless you're watching mind numbing commercial television like
I don't know, Treasure Iron and all that stuff, and
you're probably going to still buy into it, but it's
all about sport. It's almost like, why would you over
(17:55):
Christmas save yourselves a few hundred bucks?
Speaker 6 (18:00):
Right?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
So decisions like this when you find more and more
sports are going free to wear, how much does that
change or just or alter your subscription habits Rugby and
NRL enough for you to hold on to Sky? Why
do you buy it? Let me know. I wait one
hundred and eighty ten eighty At twenty four past seven,
(18:24):
I've been mulling it over. Actually I'm a sports broadcast,
but things are getting tighter and tighter. This we know.
I'm thinking, Wow, maybe I do gas Sky over December,
January and February. Nothing want to want to watch? I
watch it all free to wear or just download things
on apps. Maybe that's the way, I don't know. Tell
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me about what you're thinking here. We're going back to
the good old days when things didn't cost anything. Wow,
I wight one hundred eighty ten eighty. Give me your thoughts.
You're adjusting habits now that more and more sports going
to free to wear TV I eight one hundred and
eighty ten eighty.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
You hear it from the biggest names and sports and have.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Your say on eighty sports Talk on your home of
Sports News.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Talk z b O.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Take when sports talk here on News Talk zb just
to say Sky is still going to be carrying the breakers.
They're not dropping the breakers, all right. You still get
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it through the ESPN channel that runs on Sky. You
get it that way that everyone else gets for nothing.
They don't want to pay for its own. Put it
on TV and Z Plus or on Duke in some
cases where they overlap. I think the cricket has pressure
and says the local super smash and the like. Just
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so you know, eighty lines are open. I've got some texts.
I'll read them out for you shortly. We'd love to
hear your voice. Get a Brett. What's on your mind?
Speaker 11 (20:20):
So Darcy, I just thought i'd bring up from a
commercial point of view. So you know, we're in the
hospital industry, so we have guys because you know, we
have a lot of punters that come to watch the rugby. Yeah,
but same thing. You know, things are tough. We tried
to We thought shire great, maybe we can cut it
five months out of some experiod, but basically we got
we got told if you do that again, they won't
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they won't reconnect her really. Yeah, So you know that's
the thing with skys is basically they need Rugby. If
they lose their Rugby contract, that gone. You know, I
was hoping it was going to go like you know,
digital TV overseas, where you could just buy a game,
(21:01):
you know, buy a certain time period like you can
do overseas. But unfortunately or hangs up with the sky.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
I don't find that hard to believe, Brett, But you're
telling me obviously in hospital this has happened to you.
I do find that odd. So, yeah, you go away
for four months, We're not going to let you come
back again. It's dice, isn't it.
Speaker 11 (21:21):
Bread Well, it's fair.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Well, is their business. They can do what they want, right,
it doesn't matter. But that's a bit kind of standover,
it isn't it.
Speaker 11 (21:31):
Well, Well, but if you look at the if you
look at the model, right, so when you when you
buy residential contract with them, you're buying the whole of channels, right,
But you probably only watch a couple of those channels.
But you're having to pay for all of those channels
that overall, aren't you That's the fast sering, how.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Much do you need sky for your business?
Speaker 11 (21:56):
Yeah, we are, we are. We are a big operations,
so there are a lot of but to be honest,
I also I've got another mate that he's in the
same industry and it was a big part of his
business as well, but he just eat off the route
of actually popping it, and then on Rugby Night he
(22:17):
just promotes all of the ladies and he actually does
better than when the guys are coming see these ladies
instead of having Rugby Night same.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
I had a friend who was like, hold on, this
is what we're going to do. Our bar is a
non sport bar. We will not play sport, and it
attracted a lot of people that we're interested in because
you know, when you go to a bar and there's
a game on, you tend to be slightly distracted. I
don't know who I am anyway, when you're trying to
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talk to someone and there's a game going on, you're
kind of looking over their shoulder to see what's going on.
So the old Baha it was like, we will not
get that we are this and that worked well. So
I suppose you find a method to get through it
and it works. So you're there primarily because you have to.
But the rugby and the rugby league, is that what
rules punters into your bar and any other sports or not?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Mainly that.
Speaker 11 (23:13):
Unfortunately we don't have a TA B pod and the
TAB actually getting rid of all their pods. They're forcing
everyone to phone. But if we I think if a
lot of the probably the blue collar sports bars who
have PA B where they need that, they need the racing,
so that would be the other big one for them.
But for a lot of there's a lot of bars
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that don't have the C A B part of the equation.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
And that's why you know, well's t IB though that
isn't that independent. They're not going to go away. They
will always be there, won't they regardless?
Speaker 11 (23:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, interesting, Hey, good on your bread. Thanks very much
for your call around that. Plainly your business slightly different
to most people. What makes you think, doesn't it?
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Like?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
How much am I spending? Do I actually need to
spend this much money? I can make this call? And
when you look at the ability that we have to
change our power, serve it out our internet providers, pretty
much everything else we do. If you've got the time
(24:20):
and you're relatively astute. You don't settle for what your
current provider is giving you. You go looking all the
time to see who's got what deal and want you
can get and how you can benefit because that's the
nature of the time, because most of us haven't got
any money, right, So you do that. So when something
like this comes along, you start weighing and second we'll
(24:41):
actually hold on. Oh, I'm paying because I like basketball,
but if I can get it for free, that's going
to tip the scale slightly away from Sky. If the
sports that I really enjoy aren't covered over summer, that
tips it away plainly. If you knock away and you
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don't get Sky anymore, they're going to let you back.
It's not like a business. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't
work that way. So there are sports that are draw cards.
And I've just had a text and saying, what about
the ep L. Now, I'm sure that's a massive draw
card and that brings a lot of people to Sky
TV Rugby League which runs for thirty weeks a year EPL.
(25:25):
I get that, and EPL runs over that period, doesn't
it opposite to us? I love my Formula one and
my IndyCar. I used to get a real cack out
of V eight's. But the racing has kind of folded
a bit more like an exercise and fuel entire saving.
And that's why Shane van Gersberg and ran off to NASCAR.
(25:48):
And of course NASCAR is free on TV three, no
Formula one till March. And if you don't watch anything else,
you do tell us about your subscription habits, and you
consider when it comes to how you watch sport. Free
(26:11):
to Wear is slowly but surely moving in on Sky's territory.
How much will it take before you give up? Eight
hundred eighty ten eighty. Like everything in the world, we
want to bargain. We want to know what we're paying for.
If it doesn't work out and there's a free opportunity,
well you might move that way. Oh, eight hundred eighty
(26:32):
ten eighty. The tab is independent you Drongo owned by
the Poms. I said, TB is always there. You can
get there. I don't need Sky for the t ID
do you do? You? Who's the drong?
Speaker 6 (26:44):
Go?
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Thank you big glove, which because I know I can
see you double shaded whisks like I'm changing my beer
provider from time to time too, because I get a
bit of deal love craft for you. But when push
(27:10):
comes to shove, it's eye wateringly expensive. Is it actually
worth it? Does Sky worth it for you? When you
look at it and cut it all down, What do
you get from it? What is your decision making based on?
How does it work for you?
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Good?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Jim? How are you?
Speaker 12 (27:27):
Yeah? Hi, Darcy? Good program is per usual?
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Thanks Jim.
Speaker 12 (27:31):
Yeah, we can Scot. We can Sky about five years
ago because it was just wow. To be honest, you're
playing for ads more than anything else. Every program you
watch it was air after a after ad advertising, Sky
advertising their programs, Discovery Channel and the same things. Anyway,
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we just got rid of it and just before.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
You go on but yeah, but were you a big
sport watcher on Sky? Was this something that drove your subscription?
Speaker 11 (28:03):
Yes? We were.
Speaker 12 (28:04):
We Yeah, we were a big sport watcher. But we
still do it, but we just do it differently now.
Either go out to a pub or whatever, go to friends.
But I just wanted to give us sing out to
what I believe is just the best app you can get,
which is the f one TV app for the Formula one.
(28:26):
It's absolutely brilliant. It's one hundred bucks a year. You
get the whole season, watch it on whatever device you want.
You can stream to your TV. It's just brilliant. Yeah,
you get about four or five different options, different car views,
different commentaries.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Well, climb on board into different cars, can't.
Speaker 11 (28:47):
You yep yep?
Speaker 12 (28:49):
During the race and practice because you get all the
practice and qualifying everything else. So yeah, you just pick
which driver you want to go with and both you're
sitting in there in the cockpit. And the good thing
with that is you actually get to listen to the
commentary between the driver and the engineer and you get
all the expletives and the what you see on the
(29:10):
Netflix documentary. It's a it's a great app.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yeah, and that's what you can do. You've gotta balance
it up and look at what you spend. It's a
bit of work, and I think budgeting is working for anybody.
And you go, okay, so this is what this costs me.
That's what that that that that bunch it all together, Okay,
over six months or over a year, Actually that's going
to be considerably less. And I might not get Look, sky,
I've got a lot of sport, don't get me wrong.
(29:38):
And that's brilliant to have that access, but how much
do you actually want to watch? How much time do
you have to watch that sport? And you might be
quite brutal around what you do sign up for and
maybe you look at TVs and go, well that's free,
that's free, that's free. I might not buy Sky full time.
I might just take time off, or I might just
take the app on board. But these are considerations in
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this current state we're in financial that everybody considers they
have to it.
Speaker 12 (30:06):
Is and we're a big plug for TV and Z plus.
I mean that to be honest, that's probably the main,
the main source that we watch. They have some great sport,
they have great documentaries the.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Euros that was amazing, and then you look at what
in the Olympic Games, like what this is what I'm after.
Speaker 12 (30:28):
Exactly so, and you can watch it at any time.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
And that's the other thing, and on any device wherever
you are. Jim, thanks very much for your call, Derek Joints.
And this is not a go at Sky TV. Don't
get me wrong. What they do is a lot of
amazing things. But I think that as consumers we've got
to look at what we consume, how much it costs,
what balance it is. That's that's our right. We're the
people who pay the bills, right, Derek.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Yeah, yeah, I guess I'm just confused, Like the numbers
don't seem to add up, like sounds like that first
that second Jack Reacher movie. You know, the numbers just
don't add up. They just don't add up on me.
I just don't understand what the money is coming from
with Sky Television when they bid for the Ruby rights
at the end of the year, could they be outbid
(31:13):
by TV and Z? Now where TV and Z getting
their money from that? You say it's not taxpayer money,
but we also know that TV and Z just posted
a massive loss recently.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
How much of it is textpayer I don't know. I
didn't I didn't say it wasn't taxpayer money. It's a
commercially run don't they rely on there is? I think
there is some investment from the government, but a lot
of it is advertising. They kind of have to stand
on their own two feet, or do they?
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Well they once again, the numbers don't add up. I mean,
what are you going to put an ad on every
five seconds to pay for it? I mean, at the
end of the day, you're not trying to tell me
that Rugby Union New Zealand turn professional ninety ninety five,
Slash comes in twenty twenty four and the tax players
of New Zealand are funding the rugby players that are
(32:02):
signed up to New Zealand Rugby. Really, is that is
where it's going? I can't. I can't understand where it
Once again, I can't understand where the money's coming from.
None of it needs seems to add up. I mean,
you say, oh, it's free to wear, but obviously it's
got to be paid for it somehow.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
And if you look, it's a lost leader. And they
in a way, we've got this free to wear, which
will encourage more people to watch TVNZ plus, which by
default will maybe encourage more people to watch it on
watch Linear, which will encourage more of me to stay
with them, watch more in their products. And they are
caught by the advertising net in between, and that's what
(32:39):
they're relying on. And now did say it was an
interesting She wouldn't tell us exactly what they did. But
they've got some kind of deal worked out that obviously
benefits because they're not flushed with cash, they can't afford
to chuck it around.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Yeah, plus the fat Darcy. We've got David Seymour cutting
back government departments here, there and everywhere. And I know
how the EPL works, and I know how clubs work
and how players around the world get there get their
massive wages. I mean, at ninety five percent of all
the big Premier league clubs, all their money comes from
pay per view deals. I mean there's only five percent
(33:13):
that works out with gate receipts and overseas apparel that
gets sold and all the big sponsorship deals that get
put on. The rest is all payover television. And I'm wondering,
surely rugby has gone the same way. I mean, super
rugby players take what is that five hundred and New
Zealand all sign up to New Zealand Raby at the
same time. Now, all of a sudden they do a deal,
and that's that deal is going to be vital to
(33:33):
them keeping players in New Zealand, paying players, coaches, coaching
staff and all the rest of it and running those franchises.
I mean, you're trying to tell me they're going to
get all that from a deal from a government department
with no government.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
And a Rugby Rugby are dealing with Sky that's that's
a different incident. That's that's not tv ins what state
owned commercially runs it. That's that's Sky. I've got that,
don't they do?
Speaker 3 (33:58):
They n ten percent of Sky.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Five percent, the in Zina five percent. But I again
that the botiation. Still are they going to get that
one hundred million of whatever it is? If Sky got
enough money to do that they believe those eyeballs actually
work for them.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Well, yeah, it's a difficult one. I mean, obviously you
know more than I do.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
No one's got any money. This is the thing. That's
the hard thing. Everybody's like going, oh, can't do it.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
That Sky would be changing from Sky because obviously I
like to watch the EPL and the NRL. Obviously I
follow the Warriors all the time like everyone else does.
I mean, it might be a cash trap year at
the moment within the economy, and the Orbucks didn't sell
out their last couple of games at the Cake Tin
and at Eden Park, yet the Warriors are selling out
(34:47):
every single match. I mean, once again, another thing we
could ever talk about one night how they managed to
do that. And they seld own that Vegas trip in
seventeen minutes. I mean, at the end of the day,
whatever the results, they're on the field, that club certainly
is doing something right. Maybe that's that's the show for
another time as the most maybe it is.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Eric, thanks very much for your call. As always, it's
been a long time so Spark forced up the price,
didn't they when Sky were trying to get rugby last
time around? But they didn't exist anymore. TV and Z
won't have the money to have a bidding war with Sky,
so Sky won't be forced to push through the ceiling
(35:26):
with the money they're going to pay to secure the
rights to New Zealand rugby content, So you'd think that
would depress the price. With the negotiations Sky being well,
no one else is going to pay for it. Wear it.
We've got this much, take it or leave it. It's
(35:51):
twelve and a half to eight Sports Talk on News
Talk ZB. Darren Basley joins us next Or White's head
coach won one draw against the United States of America.
Well played, my friends, Well played, Darren joins us next
here on News Talk zby tremendous result today for the
(36:14):
All Whites after disappointing themselves up against Mexico out losing
three ZIP things changed one one with the sixteenth ranked
team in the world, the United States of America. Darren Baze,
he coached the all whites joins US. Now, it was
a big lift, wasn't it. From Sunday, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 8 (36:32):
It was.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
I mean, we asked the boys for a positive reaction
to the Mexico game, and and I felt like we
got that. You know, it was from the from the
start of the game tonight, it was, you know, full
of commitment and pride and aggression. And I thought we
put in a really tough shift and a good performance tonight.
You know, the Mexico game was pretty tough. You know,
it was very hot, conceded the early goal, and you know,
(36:56):
we weren't quite able to get to the level that
we wanted to, and it was it was tough for
the boys. And you know, two days later, you know
a lot of a lot of talking, a lot of
reflection and reviewing, and yeah, the boys, boys turned it
around and put on a good performance tonight.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Well, it landed. The reviews. The conversations Chris what was
pretty powerful and his speech too about what needed to
be provided and what wasn't provided. So they listen, it got.
Speaker 6 (37:21):
In yeah, one hundred percent. And we've got some We've
got great players and good staff, but you know, we've
got some really good leaders like Woodsy. And when Woodley
stands in front of the group and says I wasn't
at it and we weren't at it and we need
to be better, then you know we're going to get
a reaction. And I felt like tonight was was good.
You know, we can still be better. But I thought
out of possession, what we asked from them was to
(37:42):
show a lot of aggression, a lot of heart, and
to really like sort of let America, let the US
team that we're here and we're here to play a
game of football, you know. And we we were able
to play in the breakdown and we created some chances
and we got our rewards. Be a bit lucky at
the end, but I think when you're when you're positive
and you do certain things during the game, then you
(38:04):
probably earn your reward.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Heart in the mouth with the goal that was Vincy disallowed,
what was it twenty odd minute after that foul on Kakachi,
you would have just halted for a second.
Speaker 7 (38:13):
A go.
Speaker 6 (38:15):
Yeah, because I thought we started the game so well
and I thought we were in it, so that when
that went in, it was it was disappointing, and maybe
we deserved that bit of luck. You know, over the
over the last sort of year, we probably haven't had
or we feel like we've not had the run of
the game too much at times. But yeah, that was
(38:36):
I mean, it's yeah, it was disallowed and we moved
on pretty quickly, and we carried on and you know,
and then obviously the conceding that goal on on about
sixty was again a sixty five was probably a bit
of a blow, but great reaction again, and we stayed
in the game and towards the end, you know, we
were pushing to try to win the game. You know,
(38:57):
we didn't we didn't sit back. You know, we get
we get the goal, which is a bit lucky, you know,
we know that. But on top of that, we created
some good chances. You know, we've got people in good
positions crossing, we've had a few shots, and yeah, so
we're gradually building, but we have to keep remembering that
was that was against a pretty highly ranked team, but
not only a highly ranked team, but it's away from home,
(39:19):
so you know, it becomes quite hard always playing away
from home against higher ranked oppositions. Hopefully this is a
good moment for the boys to realize that when we
do certain things and we play a certain way, that
we can live with these level teams ranked.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Sixteenth in the world. Do you say, but the strength
of the team that sit off in the park today?
How strong was the USA team that we're talking the
number one players? Was a mix of players here? What
was the quality like of them walking onto the park?
Speaker 6 (39:53):
Yeah, I mean they've got some really good players. You know,
you look through their squad and the clubs that the
players play for, a top clubs. Yeah, they're missing a
few players. But you know, when we look at ourselves
and you know, we've got Starpret's and Tyler Bindon and
Callum mccowart missing, you know, I think every every team
that probably internationally that plays are always going to be
(40:13):
missing a few players. So, you know, America are pretty
lucky that when they have four or five players missing,
they can call upon other players from top leagues around
the world to come in. So yeah, I wouldn't I
wouldn't say it was the strongest US team, but it
was also a pretty good, strong team that would have
expected to beat us tonight.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Darren Bazie, How did things change after that put us
a to go? What sixty seventh minute? What did you
see that the all whites apply to try and draw
or even win? What adjusted?
Speaker 9 (40:44):
Well?
Speaker 6 (40:45):
I didn't see heads drop. I saw a little bit
of determination to continue and to carry on, try to
get back in the game. You know, we stayed in
the game right to the end. We made some substitutions.
I thought the subs that came on impacted the game well,
brought some energy, which is what we asked from them,
you know, to come on and affect the game. And
I think all of the subs that came on, you know,
(41:06):
did well. And you know, ultimately Ben Wayne sort of
is there and Logan Rogerson is there to help get
that goal at the end. So that's their job. You know,
they're all disappointed to not start, but if you're a sub,
you have to be ready to come on and affect
the game. And in credit to the guys, I thought
they did and brought brought some energy and brought some legs.
Because the guys that started the game, they put so
(41:29):
much effort into the game. You know, some of them,
we were off their feet. I think we'll see some
big numbers on their GPS steps, you know, overnight. So yeah,
it was a big effort from the whole team. And
good that the subs came on and helped. You know,
they just carried on where people had left off.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
The right call is your call on eighty Sports Talk.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Call on your home of sports news Talk, Zippy.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Imprisive. He it was only draw, but it's a result,
as they say. And in football, Pilots was down Baisley
or whiteshead coach accessible after the game to talk to us,
which is fantastic. And I like the way he made changes.
When your hold of that's not good enough, I'm gonna
swing the axe and I'm going to drop for a
couple of you guys. We'll see what happens. Chris Woods
(42:13):
like nablesn't good enough, So they actually had some reflection.
They change members of the team, they turn around, they
went back and they and they got the result thereafter.
It's good. I like that. Nice work. Thanks for your
engagement today, Thanks for your texts, thanks for your calls,
Thanks for listening. My name starts to WATA grab back
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Good Evening.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
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from News Talk ZEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Greetings, Greetings, welcome into sports Talk. Gotta stop channeling p J. Montgomery.
I go to start the program. Greetings New Zealand. Hello aall,
Welcome to Sports Talk. My name's Darcy Waltergrove and it's
seven minutes after seven. It's a Wednesday evening, eleventh of
September twenty twenty four. Coming up on this evenings program,
(00:56):
lots of you, a wee bit of me and some
other bits and bobs. Those other bits and bobs are
Darren Beasley or White's head coach. One one draw again
the United States of America today, great turnaround after getting
pumped by Mexico on Sunday. We're talk to me about
how now Brown Cow? What where?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Who?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Positive? Considering their rank sixteenth in the world. The Americans,
whether the full strength team, possibly not, but it doesn't matter.
It's away from home. It was a top team and
they didn't lose.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Brilliant.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Darren Pasey joined us later and the piece when do
you get things underway? Shortly with the military. Robinson, general
manager of Sports and Events at TV and ZED that
the New Zealand Breakers have signed a free to ear
deal with TV and ZED to screen all of their
games in the twenty twenty four to twenty five season.
So what does this mean for Sky TV going for?
(01:51):
What have TV and Z splashed on? How much have
they paid? They'll never tell us that. I'm not even
going to pretend to say, though, will What have they done?
Why have they done it? What is the drive? Slowly
but surely it's the return to the old old days
when sport was free to air. And I was talking
to one of my younger colleagues today and I asked,
(02:14):
it's a great it's a return to the old days
when you get free to wear sport on TV and
he goes Darcy and I want to break your bubble.
But I'm a bit younger than you. PATV has been
around since I grew up. I don't remember free to
wear sports. Oh wow, kating, But it's true. We'll talk
to you about that about Sky TV. Are they in
(02:35):
trouble with more and more sport going free to air?
As rugby NRL is there? That's all they've got, right?
Is that enough to hold you? Do you need more?
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Or this?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
What does this say? About Sky's grip on New Zealand
televised sport. We'll talk about that with yourselves of one
hundred and eighty ten eighty shortly. But before that, what
about a better this sport today? And in sport today?
Scary af Navajo Sterling is punched his way into the
UFC the MMA fighter who trains out of a Central
(03:05):
Auckland gym. It's been offered a contract for the Lucrave
Global Sanction Violence Circuit. Put too much thought though into
what this means after spending a great deal of time
in a crate.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
I don't think too much ahead of it. I just
know they're like my style. I just got to roll
up and win and people will love it. I've been
hidden away in New Zealand. I've been changed for so long,
and as finally good to show that I'm like you know,
I'm here.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Bad, I'm my rage. I am still just a ran
and the all whites and fashion to draw agast. The
United States of America won all the final score. Coach
darn Baisley, who joins the show later in the piece,
he loved the bounce back after the limp effort against
Mexico on Sunday.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
I thought it was a good reaction from our players
and the fight and the impact.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
From the subs was great. You know, everybody worked.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
Hard, played as a team and coming up against the
team ranked sixteen in the world, that was a lot better.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
New Zealand bicycle beast Aaron gab is off on an
adventure in the UCI world to it next year. He's
clipping his spokey dokies on for Astana, Kazakhstan, and all
of us velodrome work will not be in Vain.
Speaker 7 (04:15):
They want me to slot them with the sprint train.
So a big part of pro cycling is the is
the big bunch sprints and the sprinters they need someone
to help set them up and put them in good position.
And I think the attributes you get from the track
that sustained high power efforts are quite good.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
And Formula one's design Messiah Adrian knew he he has
deserted a red ball for Eston Martin. The team owner
Lawrence Stroll, has been key in the move, which is
reportedly worth a couple one hundred million dollars in New
Zealand over five years and more with win bonuses. Lawrence's
Sam Lawrence he signed for another couple of years is
(04:50):
still a problem in my opinion. So Adrian, why did
you sign?
Speaker 8 (04:53):
Having a shareholding and a partnership makes you feel much
more as if you have got skin in the game.
Lawrence's commitment is very endearing and very obvious. He's more
than happy to put all his chip on black and
give it everything.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
And you forgot the bit about not wanting to move
to Italy. What he was going to Ferrari? Then second,
I live there.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
And that's sport today.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Big news that today for free to wear sport, that
news to come out that TVNZ plus have got their
hands on The Breakers. Were joined now by TV and
z's GM of Sports and Events, Mel Robinson. Welcome to
the show. I expect you're smarting from ear to ear
and now you've managed to nab the Breakers.
Speaker 9 (05:38):
I'm so excited.
Speaker 10 (05:39):
We all know basketball is a sport that young kids
play in New Zealand and it's super popular with those
younger age groups, and that means we're going to get
them into our TV and Z plus platform and hopefully
get them watching more Breakers.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
So I think the big thing around this, Mel is
the breakdown with Sky and the ability to provide the
production on the ground as opposed to what you out
from over in Australia. So the production at TV and
Z providing that. Are you putting cameras and people on
(06:14):
the ground to do this.
Speaker 10 (06:16):
It's a partnership with ESPN, so they own the rights,
so they will be producing it. They contract a company
to do that and then they will hire any peace
So we still have the New Zealand crew doing the
production on the ground, but it goes through to Melbourne.
They put commentary on it from over in Melbourne and
(06:38):
then it gets set back to us. So it's pretty complicated.
But with Stoke that we're in a partnership with ESPN
because this is the first time, you know, we've done
something like that's with them.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
So what's different that you all bought that's different to
what Sky we're getting out to? How's that altered?
Speaker 9 (06:55):
Look?
Speaker 10 (06:55):
I think that Sky's probably thinking about some of the
other big rights that are coming to market as well,
and you've got to be really careful with what you
spend your money on. So I mean, you'd have to
them to find out the answer to that. But the
cool thing is that that opens up opportunities for tvn
Z and partnering with people like Espen. Don't forget that
(07:18):
ESPN is still on the Sky platforms, so they'll have
all the NBL games on the two ESPN channels, and
they'll probably have the Breakers. I haven't seen their schedule yet,
not sure if they're going to put them up live
against US, so I think actually.
Speaker 9 (07:31):
Sky has probably got the best of both worlds there.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
So you're getting both home and away games on TVNZ
plus free to wear.
Speaker 10 (07:38):
That's how I want all Breakers games all live on
tvn Z plus, also on Duke. We'll have a couple
of those on Duke slightly delayed because essentially we've got
Super Smash on at the same time over the summer,
so you can be watching Super Smash on Duke and
then straight away you'll get the Breakers game. If the
(07:59):
cricket finishes early, then the Breakers game will be live
on Duke.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
So Mel when it comes to cost, not going to
give me details, but did you play for this, did
this come out of the budget or what was the
deal there.
Speaker 10 (08:11):
We've been creative with how we've partnered with ESPN. That's
how I'll put it. We never talk about how much
money we put on the table. But you know, it's
going to be really a healthy deal for temn Z
because we're still going to get advertising revenue out of it.
We're looking for a broadcast sponsor. But most importantly, I
love basketball, so do my kids. I go to the
games anyway, I pay for my tickets. So I'm just
(08:33):
excited that we've got a sport like the Breakers on
our platform, back to back with a cricket all summer.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Nol Robinson TV and Said's general manager of Sports and Events.
Just going back to the production itself, can you assure
us that it will be the same quality that Breakers
fans have experienced in previous years.
Speaker 9 (08:53):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 10 (08:54):
You've got the same crew, the same camera guys, same directors.
Speaker 9 (08:58):
It will be really high quality. And why wouldn't it be.
Speaker 10 (09:01):
If ESPN has taken control of it, it's going to
be great.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
So we are losing money at TVNZ. We all know this.
So how much of this is a move for you
to get more eyeballs and maybe even disrupt Sky with
the attack on free to wear sport that you're currently waging.
Speaker 10 (09:18):
Look, our sports are strategy at the moment, in fact,
our content strategy, we're only signing up things that make
us money. It's as simple as that. And so what
you could estimate there is that a product like The
Breakers is going to be positive for TV and Z
in terms of revenue. We are always getting the audiences,
(09:42):
so our driver is not about getting audiences in as
much as making sure they're also pretending our revenue. So
this is a good business decision to partner with ESPN.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
So as far as the revenue now has manifested, how
does that work? Are we looking at advertisements being thrown
in between quarters? Is it going to interrupt the quality
of their viewing for the list and how do you
wrap around a way to moneytize it that doesn't interrupt
the live viewing or are you intending on doing that now?
Speaker 9 (10:11):
We're super careful with how we serve ads.
Speaker 10 (10:13):
I don't know if you've watched a lot of our
sports over the last few years that we learnt the
hard way when we had Commonwealth Games back in twenty
eighteen that you're going to be really selective and careful
about where you put the.
Speaker 9 (10:24):
Ads in sports.
Speaker 10 (10:26):
So what we're doing with The Breakers is we're taking
the natural breaks that you are already used to and
we'll be popping our ads in those, so that's after
every quarter, and there's one one minute time out break
in the final quarter that we can also pop an
add in. So you're not going to notice any extra
advert load at all. Will be exactly the same as
you've seen them past.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Well, we just might not hear the coaches f bombing.
Speaker 10 (10:50):
Well that's a good thing, isn't it. I'm not sure
if the Breakers coach this year's going to f bomb
that much, to be honest.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
So, yeah, you're taking on the Sky TV with us
free to air, and you look at everything you've got.
It's an attempt to maybe remove people's subs to really
hit Sky where it hurts. If they can get so
much free to wear sporting product, it's got to be
a worry to them.
Speaker 10 (11:15):
Look, we're actually not about taking Sky down, and we're
really sort of just focusing on ourselves. So if we
have opportunities that come to us and they work for us,
we're going to say yes. I think we have a
really strong content strategy now where sports and entertainment and
news are all together in terms of priority. So we're
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regarding sports as just the same opportunity as an entertainment product,
a news product, and we're just lucky enough to have
a couple of them coming across the table lately, met.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Robinson, what about rugby? Have you got eyes on that?
Because the deal's coming up with Sky And what about
the A League? Is a lot of interest around that
and where that ends up landing. Now there are two
relevant teams within the A League, So what space you
when it comes to possibly lassoing in those two sports.
Speaker 10 (12:09):
Well, we can't pick up everything, so we've had to
be really careful about who negotiating with and who we're
putting offers down on the table. So the Breakers was
our priority, as was anyfel which is the other one
that we did a soft launch on the weekend. We've
got that through to the Super Bowl as well. We're
probably not going to look at too much else over
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the next financial year, which is through to June next year,
because we've got so much at the moment. So we're
pretty settled with where we are in terms of rugby.
You know, I love rugby, but that's an exclusive negotiation
right now with SkyTV, and I'm pretty sure that is
one that they'll certainly want to keep on their platform.
Speaker 9 (12:49):
No doubt about that.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah, and we know how can you on rugby being
of course the national representative for a time, that's not
lost on all of us. So there's NFL thing's interesting
as well. Is that merely a hangover from what Spark
Sports signed up.
Speaker 9 (13:03):
To It was, but this was a new deal.
Speaker 10 (13:07):
We saw amazing results on our platform, particularly for Super Bowl,
but we've got some really good lead in from the
playoff games as well last year, so we knew that
this one again is a sport that brings in those
younger demographics and male demographics, young females as well. The
Super Bowl. We had so many new sign ups on
the day of Super Bowl last year that we thought
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that this is definitely one that we wanted to resign.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
It's the swift effect. So you see before, you're not
chasing anything else, but the A League is that hovering?
Is it even a possibility if you can find some
more money?
Speaker 10 (13:45):
Look that I don't know what the A League is doing,
So you've got to have a ring ring up Nick
the CEO and see what they're doing.
Speaker 9 (13:53):
That's what I would say there.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Do you want to flip me his number? You must
have a direct cell phone.
Speaker 9 (13:58):
Well, I know Ali very well.
Speaker 10 (14:00):
He's one of the owners, so I'm sure that they're
beving around in the background to try and sew up
their deal.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
And I'll finish on this and Mel Robinson, tvn z's
sport and Events general manager, is this move towards sport
maybe the last hope for terrestrial television.
Speaker 10 (14:20):
Well, actually it drives audience to the digital platform. So
for Euros we had round about seven million streams on
the Euros. It was unbelievably successful for TV and Z Plus,
So sport is actually a mechanism to push New Zealand
audiences onto our platform. And our whole strategy is about
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moving everything to TV and Z plus in digital over
the next five years or so. So you know, we
see big sports events has been very successful. We know
we've got to keep our broadcast TV linear still going
because a lot of our sports rights holders want to
be on normal terrestrial TV because lots of people are
still there. So that's why we've got the breakers for
(15:04):
instance on Juke, That's why Superma on Jokers, why T
twenties are on Television one, because we're still picking up
massive audiences. So TV broadcast is not dead yet.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Forget the refs call, You make the call on eight
hundred eighty eight.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Sports Talk on your home of Sports News Talks EB.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Seven twenty one Sports Talk here on News Talk ZB
lines are open, oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
That was Mel Robinson, of course former black Fern personally
a terrific lady. Loved the family, Marcus Wheelhouse and the like.
Nice to talk to it. But aside that, that was
an enjoyable conversation, pretty clear around what they're after, pretty
(15:48):
direct too. She's the general manager of sport and events
at TV and Z. They're going after them, maybe not directly,
but then directly they'll be caving in. Lorc. Sky didn't
want to have a bar of it, plainly, the Breakers
wanted still to be on it. It still could have
worked it through ESPN, which is what Sky had.
Speaker 7 (16:11):
Sky.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I'm presuming that I'm not going to pay for ESPN,
and then I'm going to pay for the Breakers all
over again. It's paying for the same thing twice. What's
the point. And then you've got to go and pay
for the broadcast rights. And from what I can gather,
we're talking about not the broadcast rights N actual production
rights maybe sixty to eighty thousand dollars a game, So
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that's obviously been sorted out TV and Z and they're
taking it. And it makes perfect sense that they will.
What the deal was, we don't know. We never will,
but they're broke, so they're hardly going to peel off notes.
Are they to pick it up? But they've got the cricket,
they've got the breakers, they've had some really big events.
(16:51):
Slowly but surely the worm is turning more and more
sports going to free to air. Question to you, oh,
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty, I suppose twofold one.
How much to events like this change your subscription habits?
(17:12):
Do you reconsider what you do around what you pay
for based on decisions like this when you weigh it up. Secondly,
there's rugby and NRL enough to hold you with Sky
Sport perfectly brutal about it. When you look at what
(17:35):
happens over the summer, there's no rugby, there's no rugby league.
You watch a lot of cricket and a bit of basketball.
You're thinking, unless you're watching mind numbing commercial television like
I don't know, Treasure Iron and all that stuff, and
you're probably going to still buy into it, but it's
all about sport. It's almost like, why would you over
(17:55):
Christmas save yourselves a few hundred bucks?
Speaker 6 (18:00):
Right?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
So decisions like this when you find more and more
sports are going free to wear, how much does that
change or just or alter your subscription habits Rugby and
NRL enough for you to hold on to Sky? Why
do you buy it? Let me know. I wait one
hundred and eighty ten eighty At twenty four past seven,
(18:24):
I've been mulling it over. Actually I'm a sports broadcast,
but things are getting tighter and tighter. This we know.
I'm thinking, Wow, maybe I do gas Sky over December,
January and February. Nothing want to want to watch? I
watch it all free to wear or just download things
on apps. Maybe that's the way, I don't know. Tell
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me about what you're thinking here. We're going back to
the good old days when things didn't cost anything. Wow,
I wight one hundred eighty ten eighty. Give me your thoughts.
You're adjusting habits now that more and more sports going
to free to wear TV I eight one hundred and
eighty ten eighty.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
You hear it from the biggest names and sports and have.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Your say on eighty sports Talk on your home of
Sports News.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Talk z b O.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Take when sports talk here on News Talk zb just
to say Sky is still going to be carrying the breakers.
They're not dropping the breakers, all right. You still get
(19:47):
it through the ESPN channel that runs on Sky. You
get it that way that everyone else gets for nothing.
They don't want to pay for its own. Put it
on TV and Z Plus or on Duke in some
cases where they overlap. I think the cricket has pressure
and says the local super smash and the like. Just
(20:10):
so you know, eighty lines are open. I've got some texts.
I'll read them out for you shortly. We'd love to
hear your voice. Get a Brett. What's on your mind?
Speaker 11 (20:20):
So Darcy, I just thought i'd bring up from a
commercial point of view. So you know, we're in the
hospital industry, so we have guys because you know, we
have a lot of punters that come to watch the rugby. Yeah,
but same thing. You know, things are tough. We tried
to We thought shire great, maybe we can cut it
five months out of some experiod, but basically we got
we got told if you do that again, they won't
(20:41):
they won't reconnect her really. Yeah, So you know that's
the thing with skys is basically they need Rugby. If
they lose their Rugby contract, that gone. You know, I
was hoping it was going to go like you know,
digital TV overseas, where you could just buy a game,
(21:01):
you know, buy a certain time period like you can
do overseas. But unfortunately or hangs up with the sky.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
I don't find that hard to believe, Brett, But you're
telling me obviously in hospital this has happened to you.
I do find that odd. So, yeah, you go away
for four months, We're not going to let you come
back again. It's dice, isn't it.
Speaker 11 (21:21):
Bread Well, it's fair.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Well, is their business. They can do what they want, right,
it doesn't matter. But that's a bit kind of standover,
it isn't it.
Speaker 11 (21:31):
Well, Well, but if you look at the if you
look at the model, right, so when you when you
buy residential contract with them, you're buying the whole of channels, right,
But you probably only watch a couple of those channels.
But you're having to pay for all of those channels
that overall, aren't you That's the fast sering, how.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Much do you need sky for your business?
Speaker 11 (21:56):
Yeah, we are, we are. We are a big operations,
so there are a lot of but to be honest,
I also I've got another mate that he's in the
same industry and it was a big part of his
business as well, but he just eat off the route
of actually popping it, and then on Rugby Night he
(22:17):
just promotes all of the ladies and he actually does
better than when the guys are coming see these ladies
instead of having Rugby Night same.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
I had a friend who was like, hold on, this
is what we're going to do. Our bar is a
non sport bar. We will not play sport, and it
attracted a lot of people that we're interested in because
you know, when you go to a bar and there's
a game on, you tend to be slightly distracted. I
don't know who I am anyway, when you're trying to
(22:46):
talk to someone and there's a game going on, you're
kind of looking over their shoulder to see what's going on.
So the old Baha it was like, we will not
get that we are this and that worked well. So
I suppose you find a method to get through it
and it works. So you're there primarily because you have to.
But the rugby and the rugby league, is that what
rules punters into your bar and any other sports or not?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Mainly that.
Speaker 11 (23:13):
Unfortunately we don't have a TA B pod and the
TAB actually getting rid of all their pods. They're forcing
everyone to phone. But if we I think if a
lot of the probably the blue collar sports bars who
have PA B where they need that, they need the racing,
so that would be the other big one for them.
But for a lot of there's a lot of bars
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that don't have the C A B part of the equation.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
And that's why you know, well's t IB though that
isn't that independent. They're not going to go away. They
will always be there, won't they regardless?
Speaker 11 (23:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, interesting, Hey, good on your bread. Thanks very much
for your call around that. Plainly your business slightly different
to most people. What makes you think, doesn't it?
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Like?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
How much am I spending? Do I actually need to
spend this much money? I can make this call? And
when you look at the ability that we have to
change our power, serve it out our internet providers, pretty
much everything else we do. If you've got the time
(24:20):
and you're relatively astute. You don't settle for what your
current provider is giving you. You go looking all the
time to see who's got what deal and want you
can get and how you can benefit because that's the
nature of the time, because most of us haven't got
any money, right, So you do that. So when something
like this comes along, you start weighing and second we'll
(24:41):
actually hold on. Oh, I'm paying because I like basketball,
but if I can get it for free, that's going
to tip the scale slightly away from Sky. If the
sports that I really enjoy aren't covered over summer, that
tips it away plainly. If you knock away and you
(25:03):
don't get Sky anymore, they're going to let you back.
It's not like a business. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't
work that way. So there are sports that are draw cards.
And I've just had a text and saying, what about
the ep L. Now, I'm sure that's a massive draw
card and that brings a lot of people to Sky
TV Rugby League which runs for thirty weeks a year EPL.
(25:25):
I get that, and EPL runs over that period, doesn't
it opposite to us? I love my Formula one and
my IndyCar. I used to get a real cack out
of V eight's. But the racing has kind of folded
a bit more like an exercise and fuel entire saving.
And that's why Shane van Gersberg and ran off to NASCAR.
(25:48):
And of course NASCAR is free on TV three, no
Formula one till March. And if you don't watch anything else,
you do tell us about your subscription habits, and you
consider when it comes to how you watch sport. Free
(26:11):
to Wear is slowly but surely moving in on Sky's territory.
How much will it take before you give up? Eight
hundred eighty ten eighty. Like everything in the world, we
want to bargain. We want to know what we're paying for.
If it doesn't work out and there's a free opportunity,
well you might move that way. Oh, eight hundred eighty
(26:32):
ten eighty. The tab is independent you Drongo owned by
the Poms. I said, TB is always there. You can
get there. I don't need Sky for the t ID
do you do? You? Who's the drong?
Speaker 6 (26:44):
Go?
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Thank you big glove, which because I know I can
see you double shaded whisks like I'm changing my beer
provider from time to time too, because I get a
bit of deal love craft for you. But when push
(27:10):
comes to shove, it's eye wateringly expensive. Is it actually
worth it? Does Sky worth it for you? When you
look at it and cut it all down, What do
you get from it? What is your decision making based on?
How does it work for you?
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Good?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Jim? How are you?
Speaker 12 (27:27):
Yeah? Hi, Darcy? Good program is per usual?
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Thanks Jim.
Speaker 12 (27:31):
Yeah, we can Scot. We can Sky about five years
ago because it was just wow. To be honest, you're
playing for ads more than anything else. Every program you
watch it was air after a after ad advertising, Sky
advertising their programs, Discovery Channel and the same things. Anyway,
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we just got rid of it and just before.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
You go on but yeah, but were you a big
sport watcher on Sky? Was this something that drove your subscription?
Speaker 11 (28:03):
Yes? We were.
Speaker 12 (28:04):
We Yeah, we were a big sport watcher. But we
still do it, but we just do it differently now.
Either go out to a pub or whatever, go to friends.
But I just wanted to give us sing out to
what I believe is just the best app you can get,
which is the f one TV app for the Formula one.
(28:26):
It's absolutely brilliant. It's one hundred bucks a year. You
get the whole season, watch it on whatever device you want.
You can stream to your TV. It's just brilliant. Yeah,
you get about four or five different options, different car views,
different commentaries.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Well, climb on board into different cars, can't.
Speaker 11 (28:47):
You yep yep?
Speaker 12 (28:49):
During the race and practice because you get all the
practice and qualifying everything else. So yeah, you just pick
which driver you want to go with and both you're
sitting in there in the cockpit. And the good thing
with that is you actually get to listen to the
commentary between the driver and the engineer and you get
all the expletives and the what you see on the
(29:10):
Netflix documentary. It's a it's a great app.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yeah, and that's what you can do. You've gotta balance
it up and look at what you spend. It's a
bit of work, and I think budgeting is working for anybody.
And you go, okay, so this is what this costs me.
That's what that that that that bunch it all together, Okay,
over six months or over a year, Actually that's going
to be considerably less. And I might not get Look, sky,
I've got a lot of sport, don't get me wrong.
(29:38):
And that's brilliant to have that access, but how much
do you actually want to watch? How much time do
you have to watch that sport? And you might be
quite brutal around what you do sign up for and
maybe you look at TVs and go, well that's free,
that's free, that's free. I might not buy Sky full time.
I might just take time off, or I might just
take the app on board. But these are considerations in
(30:00):
this current state we're in financial that everybody considers they
have to it.
Speaker 12 (30:06):
Is and we're a big plug for TV and Z plus.
I mean that to be honest, that's probably the main,
the main source that we watch. They have some great sport,
they have great documentaries the.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Euros that was amazing, and then you look at what
in the Olympic Games, like what this is what I'm after.
Speaker 12 (30:28):
Exactly so, and you can watch it at any time.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
And that's the other thing, and on any device wherever
you are. Jim, thanks very much for your call, Derek Joints.
And this is not a go at Sky TV. Don't
get me wrong. What they do is a lot of
amazing things. But I think that as consumers we've got
to look at what we consume, how much it costs,
what balance it is. That's that's our right. We're the
people who pay the bills, right, Derek.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Yeah, yeah, I guess I'm just confused, Like the numbers
don't seem to add up, like sounds like that first
that second Jack Reacher movie. You know, the numbers just
don't add up. They just don't add up on me.
I just don't understand what the money is coming from
with Sky Television when they bid for the Ruby rights
at the end of the year, could they be outbid
(31:13):
by TV and Z? Now where TV and Z getting
their money from that? You say it's not taxpayer money,
but we also know that TV and Z just posted
a massive loss recently.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
How much of it is textpayer I don't know. I
didn't I didn't say it wasn't taxpayer money. It's a
commercially run don't they rely on there is? I think
there is some investment from the government, but a lot
of it is advertising. They kind of have to stand
on their own two feet, or do they?
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Well they once again, the numbers don't add up. I mean,
what are you going to put an ad on every
five seconds to pay for it? I mean, at the
end of the day, you're not trying to tell me
that Rugby Union New Zealand turn professional ninety ninety five,
Slash comes in twenty twenty four and the tax players
of New Zealand are funding the rugby players that are
(32:02):
signed up to New Zealand Rugby. Really, is that is
where it's going? I can't. I can't understand where it
Once again, I can't understand where the money's coming from.
None of it needs seems to add up. I mean,
you say, oh, it's free to wear, but obviously it's
got to be paid for it somehow.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
And if you look, it's a lost leader. And they
in a way, we've got this free to wear, which
will encourage more people to watch TVNZ plus, which by
default will maybe encourage more people to watch it on
watch Linear, which will encourage more of me to stay
with them, watch more in their products. And they are
caught by the advertising net in between, and that's what
(32:39):
they're relying on. And now did say it was an
interesting She wouldn't tell us exactly what they did. But
they've got some kind of deal worked out that obviously
benefits because they're not flushed with cash, they can't afford
to chuck it around.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Yeah, plus the fat Darcy. We've got David Seymour cutting
back government departments here, there and everywhere. And I know
how the EPL works, and I know how clubs work
and how players around the world get there get their
massive wages. I mean, at ninety five percent of all
the big Premier league clubs, all their money comes from
pay per view deals. I mean there's only five percent
(33:13):
that works out with gate receipts and overseas apparel that
gets sold and all the big sponsorship deals that get
put on. The rest is all payover television. And I'm wondering,
surely rugby has gone the same way. I mean, super
rugby players take what is that five hundred and New
Zealand all sign up to New Zealand Raby at the
same time. Now, all of a sudden they do a deal,
and that's that deal is going to be vital to
(33:33):
them keeping players in New Zealand, paying players, coaches, coaching
staff and all the rest of it and running those franchises.
I mean, you're trying to tell me they're going to
get all that from a deal from a government department
with no government.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
And a Rugby Rugby are dealing with Sky that's that's
a different incident. That's that's not tv ins what state
owned commercially runs it. That's that's Sky. I've got that,
don't they do?
Speaker 3 (33:58):
They n ten percent of Sky.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Five percent, the in Zina five percent. But I again
that the botiation. Still are they going to get that
one hundred million of whatever it is? If Sky got
enough money to do that they believe those eyeballs actually
work for them.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Well, yeah, it's a difficult one. I mean, obviously you
know more than I do.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
No one's got any money. This is the thing. That's
the hard thing. Everybody's like going, oh, can't do it.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
That Sky would be changing from Sky because obviously I
like to watch the EPL and the NRL. Obviously I
follow the Warriors all the time like everyone else does.
I mean, it might be a cash trap year at
the moment within the economy, and the Orbucks didn't sell
out their last couple of games at the Cake Tin
and at Eden Park, yet the Warriors are selling out
(34:47):
every single match. I mean, once again, another thing we
could ever talk about one night how they managed to
do that. And they seld own that Vegas trip in
seventeen minutes. I mean, at the end of the day,
whatever the results, they're on the field, that club certainly
is doing something right. Maybe that's that's the show for
another time as the most maybe it is.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Eric, thanks very much for your call. As always, it's
been a long time so Spark forced up the price,
didn't they when Sky were trying to get rugby last
time around? But they didn't exist anymore. TV and Z
won't have the money to have a bidding war with Sky,
so Sky won't be forced to push through the ceiling
(35:26):
with the money they're going to pay to secure the
rights to New Zealand rugby content, So you'd think that
would depress the price. With the negotiations Sky being well,
no one else is going to pay for it. Wear it.
We've got this much, take it or leave it. It's
(35:51):
twelve and a half to eight Sports Talk on News
Talk ZB. Darren Basley joins us next Or White's head
coach won one draw against the United States of America.
Well played, my friends, Well played, Darren joins us next
here on News Talk zby tremendous result today for the
(36:14):
All Whites after disappointing themselves up against Mexico out losing
three ZIP things changed one one with the sixteenth ranked
team in the world, the United States of America. Darren Baze,
he coached the all whites joins US. Now, it was
a big lift, wasn't it. From Sunday, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 8 (36:32):
It was.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
I mean, we asked the boys for a positive reaction
to the Mexico game, and and I felt like we
got that. You know, it was from the from the
start of the game tonight, it was, you know, full
of commitment and pride and aggression. And I thought we
put in a really tough shift and a good performance tonight.
You know, the Mexico game was pretty tough. You know,
it was very hot, conceded the early goal, and you know,
(36:56):
we weren't quite able to get to the level that
we wanted to, and it was it was tough for
the boys. And you know, two days later, you know
a lot of a lot of talking, a lot of
reflection and reviewing, and yeah, the boys, boys turned it
around and put on a good performance tonight.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Well, it landed. The reviews. The conversations Chris what was
pretty powerful and his speech too about what needed to
be provided and what wasn't provided. So they listen, it got.
Speaker 6 (37:21):
In yeah, one hundred percent. And we've got some We've
got great players and good staff, but you know, we've
got some really good leaders like Woodsy. And when Woodley
stands in front of the group and says I wasn't
at it and we weren't at it and we need
to be better, then you know we're going to get
a reaction. And I felt like tonight was was good.
You know, we can still be better. But I thought
out of possession, what we asked from them was to
(37:42):
show a lot of aggression, a lot of heart, and
to really like sort of let America, let the US
team that we're here and we're here to play a
game of football, you know. And we we were able
to play in the breakdown and we created some chances
and we got our rewards. Be a bit lucky at
the end, but I think when you're when you're positive
and you do certain things during the game, then you
(38:04):
probably earn your reward.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Heart in the mouth with the goal that was Vincy disallowed,
what was it twenty odd minute after that foul on Kakachi,
you would have just halted for a second.
Speaker 7 (38:13):
A go.
Speaker 6 (38:15):
Yeah, because I thought we started the game so well
and I thought we were in it, so that when
that went in, it was it was disappointing, and maybe
we deserved that bit of luck. You know, over the
over the last sort of year, we probably haven't had
or we feel like we've not had the run of
the game too much at times. But yeah, that was
(38:36):
I mean, it's yeah, it was disallowed and we moved
on pretty quickly, and we carried on and you know,
and then obviously the conceding that goal on on about
sixty was again a sixty five was probably a bit
of a blow, but great reaction again, and we stayed
in the game and towards the end, you know, we
were pushing to try to win the game. You know,
(38:57):
we didn't we didn't sit back. You know, we get
we get the goal, which is a bit lucky, you know,
we know that. But on top of that, we created
some good chances. You know, we've got people in good
positions crossing, we've had a few shots, and yeah, so
we're gradually building, but we have to keep remembering that
was that was against a pretty highly ranked team, but
not only a highly ranked team, but it's away from home,
(39:19):
so you know, it becomes quite hard always playing away
from home against higher ranked oppositions. Hopefully this is a
good moment for the boys to realize that when we
do certain things and we play a certain way, that
we can live with these level teams ranked.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Sixteenth in the world. Do you say, but the strength
of the team that sit off in the park today?
How strong was the USA team that we're talking the
number one players? Was a mix of players here? What
was the quality like of them walking onto the park?
Speaker 6 (39:53):
Yeah, I mean they've got some really good players. You know,
you look through their squad and the clubs that the
players play for, a top clubs. Yeah, they're missing a
few players. But you know, when we look at ourselves
and you know, we've got Starpret's and Tyler Bindon and
Callum mccowart missing, you know, I think every every team
that probably internationally that plays are always going to be
(40:13):
missing a few players. So, you know, America are pretty
lucky that when they have four or five players missing,
they can call upon other players from top leagues around
the world to come in. So yeah, I wouldn't I
wouldn't say it was the strongest US team, but it
was also a pretty good, strong team that would have
expected to beat us tonight.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Darren Bazie, How did things change after that put us
a to go? What sixty seventh minute? What did you
see that the all whites apply to try and draw
or even win? What adjusted?
Speaker 9 (40:44):
Well?
Speaker 6 (40:45):
I didn't see heads drop. I saw a little bit
of determination to continue and to carry on, try to
get back in the game. You know, we stayed in
the game right to the end. We made some substitutions.
I thought the subs that came on impacted the game well,
brought some energy, which is what we asked from them,
you know, to come on and affect the game. And
I think all of the subs that came on, you know,
(41:06):
did well. And you know, ultimately Ben Wayne sort of
is there and Logan Rogerson is there to help get
that goal at the end. So that's their job. You know,
they're all disappointed to not start, but if you're a sub,
you have to be ready to come on and affect
the game. And in credit to the guys, I thought
they did and brought brought some energy and brought some legs.
Because the guys that started the game, they put so
(41:29):
much effort into the game. You know, some of them,
we were off their feet. I think we'll see some
big numbers on their GPS steps, you know, overnight. So yeah,
it was a big effort from the whole team. And
good that the subs came on and helped. You know,
they just carried on where people had left off.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
The right call is your call on eighty Sports Talk.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Call on your home of sports news Talk, Zippy.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Imprisive. He it was only draw, but it's a result,
as they say. And in football, Pilots was down Baisley
or whiteshead coach accessible after the game to talk to us,
which is fantastic. And I like the way he made changes.
When your hold of that's not good enough, I'm gonna
swing the axe and I'm going to drop for a
couple of you guys. We'll see what happens. Chris Woods
(42:13):
like nablesn't good enough, So they actually had some reflection.
They change members of the team, they turn around, they
went back and they and they got the result thereafter.
It's good. I like that. Nice work. Thanks for your
engagement today, Thanks for your texts, thanks for your calls,
Thanks for listening. My name starts to WATA grab back
(42:36):
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