September 12, 2024 • 43 mins
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Gary Hermansson - Performance Mindset Coach on the Black Ferns showing off their personalities so well.
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what are we talking tonight, Well, we're talking. We're talking
to a performance mindset coach, you know, sports psychologist kind
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of style. His name is Gary Herminson. They're looking back
at the black ferns embracing King Charles and the world
went gaga over it because it was Soka Yoat and
that personality we get from the black ferns and how
much we enjoy that from our athletes. But looking around
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the import of that, how important is that to the punter,
to the athletes, to themselves, to the results.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
We'll talk with.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Gary about that and we'll take your calls on our
eight hundred eighty ten eighty tell us how important is
personality when it comes to sport. Our athletes by and
large to reserve, to shut off.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Do they not offer enough?
Speaker 4 (02:04):
What do you want to see from them? We'll talk more.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
About that later on the piece and towards the end
of the programming and he's on Rugby General Manager of
Community Rugby Steve Lancaster. The Orbacks return to the NPC
this weekend. The ran fairly shield of Rocks and the
NPC is not looking that bad either. Happy days at
n Z that's our plan. But for now verse Sport
(02:27):
today and in Sport today, fair Salm and Ethan, the groot,
all black prop and proud product of the Deep South
is back from injury this weekend is a southund that
take on Canterbury in the NPC. He's using fellow ab
lump to Mighty Williams as an inspiration.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
Has come back from a pretty big injury over Super
and hadn't had a lot of regoby and to have
two quality games for some big minutes and I spoke
for him on that front. But yeah, I'll have to
own my spot again and just get back in there
and do what as the Tens need to do.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Green stalker Ryan Fox can't see the end of the fairway.
His year has been larger than the large Jack mcglige,
winner of last year's competition.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
It has been a lot of cable this year, a
lot of golf totlets.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
I think I've played twenty four or twenty five already,
which is.
Speaker 6 (03:13):
Probably more than I've played the last couple of years.
Speaker 7 (03:16):
Each years, you're not still quite a bit of golf
to play as well.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Money's good, that wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Rugby League deserter Joseph sua Ley is bracing himself for
the torrent abuse that will receive at Penrith this weekend.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
There's his Roosters take.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
On the three times defending champion Panthers as the NRL
Finals get their giggle on Friday.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Night's still the weekend, isn't it? Yeah, of course it is.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
I'll grow up in the area so I know what
the crowd's going to be like.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
But that's good.
Speaker 6 (03:44):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
It's about and they stick into my process and to
keep the wall and New Zealand's Minister for Sport, Chris Bishop,
knows who the bosses, but will he exercise.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
That power in the trans athlete space.
Speaker 8 (03:58):
Sport New Zealand is a government department that purports to
me and they're required to give effect to government policy.
Speaker 9 (04:03):
So if I asked them to update the guidelines, they
will have to do that.
Speaker 10 (04:06):
And that's sports today.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Gary Hermanston that joins us now performance a mind set
coach when it comes to the wonderful wide world of sport. Gary,
welcome to the show. I trust you well, I trust
your beaming.
Speaker 7 (04:39):
Thanks, I am, and that's good to speak to you.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Let's start at the start.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
We saw today something quite extraordinary, something wonderful and heartwarming
from the Black Ferns as they engaged King Charles. They
all had a hug, they had a group photo, They
laughed and they cheered. What did you think when you
first saw that?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
It was unusual? Was it not but uplifting?
Speaker 7 (05:02):
Unusual but uplifting?
Speaker 6 (05:03):
You know?
Speaker 7 (05:03):
It was a kind of rather warming really to w
It was that sense. In many ways, it was a
nice combination of a whole range of things, like the
way they approached it, both in terms of seemed to
me a little bit scripted even that they might have thought,
oh let's ask him for this, but the way they
asked him for permission, and his answer it was spectacular
as well, like why not rather than yes you can
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or no you can't. So it's almost like giving up
permission just for the reality of the moment. But I
thought that the whole energy and collective element of it
was lovely. It was really nice to see.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
We'll seeing personality from sports people and in generally a
lot more from the way HENI I think that's fair
to say, a lot more interested in connecting with that
side of themselves and sharing it with the wider public
and the media. So how important actually is it at
that level of sport to be able to show your personality.
Speaker 7 (05:55):
Well, I think that from the point of view the
two parts one of the individuals and obviously there was
one individual initiated it, but there's something collective also that
there's almost like a team personality. And one of the
things about the Black Firms at the moment, and as
it's been largely if you think back to Eve when
Wayne Smith was with them, who has a nice warm
personality as well, I think they've generated that whole collective togetherness.
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And you're right, I think there's something about the Wahini
element but also I think there's the ethnicity part as well.
There's a kind of a connection the welcoming that goes
on within Marina. Also, theres a lot of that how
you connect, and so I think the combination together just
was a perfect moment, came together nicely.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
So as far as important though for the way they
go about their business and that connection is it relevant
because I suppose if you look at the all Blacks
mightily successful so people, I suppose by pass the fact
they're not exactly the most engaging and they're not released
to the media as often as they should be, it
kind of pales into significance with success, does it not.
Speaker 7 (07:03):
Yeah, I think there's that element of pressure a lot
more too. The or box is almost like so very
preoccupied with the significance of outcomes and that, and whilst
the same thing applies with any national team that we have,
I think there's something which makes it a bit more
difficult to be that expressive. It's almost like you then
get labeled in a certain way. Whereas I think the
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journey that the Black firms have been on and what
they are facing now has come together in that way
that makes it possible and they certainly. I mean the
Sevens the same sort of thing. The Sevens women's team
is very energetic and personality wise with the individual a
lot of people who are very expressive and Ruby Tioei
and others like that sort. So there's a kind of
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a coming together of that which the men would necessarily have,
and I think the extra pressure gets in the way
of that for them as well.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Do you think people are more likely to be forgiving
of poor results if they feel like they know the athletes,
that they have some kind of personal connection like their
flesh and bud like we are. They're not on another level,
another platform, and so they'll accept maybe some of their
frailties and foibles.
Speaker 7 (08:10):
Yeah, I think that's very true. I think that if
you have that sense where you are seeing people as people,
as individuals as people you can connect with and that's
why a whole fan groups are important too, and you
see some of the connections that go on at games
and the actual venue where post games is a lot
more connection. That way, that helps and people then have
that identify with them more readily, whereas if you're doing
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it from a distance, you're much more aloof from that
and you see them as mainly just products are out there,
either fulfilling your dreams or not. Whereas when you're with them,
you see them in that personal way and you're much
more prepared to accept, embrace, and also forgive when moments occur.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
In that way.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Performance Mindset coach Gary Herminton Join just says, we're looking
at connectability between the athletes at a level that through
the media of course, to the fan base as well.
Have you noticed the change over the last ten twenty
years around in that space.
Speaker 7 (09:06):
In more personality, more kind of emphasis on the way
in which people enjoy the experience as well. I think
there was times where it became much more intense and
that way, whereas now and I think social media does
a little bit that too, both for good and for bad.
The ability to be able to see people as personalities
and the hard part of courses that you know, when
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things aren't going well then there is much more of
an inquisition around people in that way. I mean, one
of those things that's happening with the All Blacks at
the moment is there's you know, if you take a
raise of the coach, you know, for example, a lot
of that whole embracing him his personality and all those
things that he was doing with the Crusaders about break
dancing and fun and whatever suddenly have a different element.
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I'm noticing in the media a little bit more to around.
You know, Well, it's a bit harder to be that expressive,
and maybe that outward going piece is going to be
a flaw within the All Backs environment rather than an
asset within the Crusaders. So we do tend to sort
of judge a little bit either good or bad, depending
upon how well the team's going as well.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Garry, what about the role of the media training that
come from the likes of sport like the All Blacks
and like the Black Caps, because they get leaned on
by their media liaison, so they put forward the best
picture that suits the narrative of the organization handy or
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possibly restraining too much.
Speaker 7 (10:35):
I think the media element is very important from that
point of view training, but I think it's that approachability piece.
And you can do media training which is much more
defensive and holding back and trying to make sure you
don't make a mistake. But I think when you emphasize
the approachability as people and training people to be able
to be human and natural and their response is an
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important part about that, and engagement with people as personalities
and as individuals you look up to and you see
them as being part of your connection with the team
you embrace. I think that's important piece as well to.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Be in some athletes to be they don't want to
upset the status quo. They don't want to cause any
issues that they can't wholly control because they're so protective
of their place of the team.
Speaker 7 (11:22):
It's always the case you don't want to step out
of line in case you offend either the organization you're
with or the coach, or you maybe say something which
might be a problem in relation to you to your
teammates as well. So I think there's a lot of
caution in that regard because you know everyone's if you're
in that team space, you always want to make sure
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you don't do anything which is going to jeopardize that
role as well. So there's inevitably going to be that
whole piece of caution. But if you think about what
we're talking at, what we began with around the black Ferns,
you know they are they haven't actually faced combination yet,
so there's that almost permission to be much more out
there and without that overriding judgment about how are you doing?
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And that as well, So I think the circumstances play
a part in that as well.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
You probably don't like talking in broad brushstrokes the performance
mindset coach Gary hermanson, let's do one. Is it actually
important what the public think of the athletes? Surely, results
first and foremost the rest of it.
Speaker 7 (12:26):
Who cares well results really matter, of course, because that's
what people follow for, and we can as a nation,
we can be pretty savage on our athletes at times
when they don't they don't deliver what we expect because
it's very much part of our national identity. On the
other hands, the real dilemma for athletes, in many ways,
the most critical thing about performance is the ability to
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value the outcome and what you're striving for, but to
be able to step back from that and to focus
entirely on what it is you are doing moment by
moment when it happens. And that's easier said than done.
But you know, coaches as well, they have to manage
that dual component about we're here to win, we wanted
to do that's our overall goal. But the challenge is
how do we step back from that and focus our
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attention on what we're doing to enable that to happen.
And very often in sport that that's very difficult to do,
and it's affected by the performance as it plays out.
People get too preoccupied with the significance of the effects
of the results and that gets in the way of
them being able to do what they've trained so hard
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to do, and it just affects their performance in the
moment they choke and that's not good at all.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
No need for the DMO.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
We've got the breakdown on sports Talk.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I say Choker on board twenty past seven sports lookal
News talks thereb performance mind set coach through sport. That's
Gary Hermanson joining us to talk about the personality in sport,
the importance of personality in sport when it comes to
top level, high levels, and how the public us engage
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with the superstars them and.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
It is actually important. That's my question to you.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Is personality important in sport at that level?
Speaker 8 (14:20):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
If they win, it isn't I think that victory papers
over the cracks of all sorts of lack of personality
and flavor in the athletes themselves.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Anybody cares if the athletes themselves are as dull as dishwater,
can hardly string a sentence together, as long as they're winning.
It's when you're not winning that people start finding ways
to have a crack.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
And if you're not very nice.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
And you don't present a good public face and you
start showing vulnerability as a human being, people have a
crack there if they want to, because they're upset that
the team's not winning. So suddenly it becomes more than
you're not scoring enough points. It's like, well, actually, hold on,
you're already boring.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
I don't like you anymore. That's that's my opinion.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
I personally, from a professional standpoint, prefer the athletes to
express more of who they are. I think it makes
for a better interview.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I think you don't agree.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
It makes for much better listening than somebody saying I
gave it one hundred and ten percent for the full
eighty minutes and thanks to the ladies for orangers at halftime,
and I'm going to work on my process and learnings
word it all before one hundred times.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
But it's hard. You can't train personality, and when you
listen to.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
An athlete that actually is free with their expression and
their words, and they've got enough horsepower upstairs to express that.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
It's much more interesting.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
We enjoy it, but we enjoy winning a whole lot more.
Something repressible about the Black Ferns and what they provide
and the way they are so upfront and they.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Do speak their mind.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
People love that.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
And I look across all the different sports and athletes
that I talk with, and generally the the female athletes
are better to speak to because they're more They're more
likely to channel into what they think and express that freely.
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They're not hiding behind some corporate wall. Don't say that,
don't do this, don't you dare do that, because it's
all about the bigger brand, and that normally happens with
big sports like the All Blacks and the Black Caps.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
And so on and so forth, not civil funds.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
They express themselves.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
And it's not a generalization because there are plenty of
blokes who can string a sentence together who are great
fun to talk to, you no doubt about that.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
You look at Tom Walsh, fantastic.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
But if you don't win, who cares about your personality?
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Right?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
So you tell me, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Is personality important to you in sports? Stars at that
top level? Does it actually matter? It's almost like it's
a nice to have, but it's not essential providing they
are providing results. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty
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lines are open. You can text nineteen ninety that z
B z B.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
It's seven twenty three cover chan James.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Only perceive and pass the nice bad and that'll lords.
Speaker 11 (17:52):
Some say, forget the riff's call. You make a call
on eight hundred eighty sports.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Talk on your home of sport.
Speaker 11 (18:06):
He talks the thing that I've gone.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
If you missed it, he goes the Royal ruckus, the
black ferns and the king. Okay, twenty seven minutes after
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seven personality being themselves. I want to hug, They ask
me why not and waves around. People love that stuff,
but is it that important in sports? Personality important to
you in sport? Down eight ten eighty.
Speaker 12 (19:08):
I, Gavin, are you going darstin?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I'm going forward?
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Gavin.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
No.
Speaker 12 (19:15):
I think personality is important, and I don't think it
matters whether you want to lose, because the personality should
still come out of an interview, know whether they're honest
about their performance or team's performance. So I'd rather because
I think the times we do see a bit of
a a lot of people or sports people will be
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quite sort of narrow in the comments because they are
worried about getting called out saying the wrong thing.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
And I think a lot of that's actually beaten into
them by mediately Amson people saying, look, be very very
careful because one slip and people might attack you.
Speaker 12 (19:53):
Right, yeah, and oh look, I've done media interviews through
a role at work and you are conscious that you
want to pord pray your organization in the right life.
That is important. But also the male female you were
talking about, I think also it's a lot harder and
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we don't want to be seen having a crack at
a female where we probably feel as it's okay to
have a crack at a guy.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Are you saying it gives them more of a more forgiving.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Right, okay, So gives them more room.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
I don't know, Maybe maybe not. I think when it.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Comes to criticizing sports teams, women don't get criticized as much,
do they, No, And.
Speaker 12 (20:36):
I think because the fear of that if someone publicly
came out and criticized a female team was as a
male team. You're more likely to get a backlash for
having a crack at the females than you were at
the male.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
But you talk to the female out and those teams,
and they want it. They said, no, you need to
lay into us. For professional sports people, we don't want
that anymore. I think that will change over time. But
that's a fair point that you make there. But also
I think that guys aren't partic chatty? Are they really
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are they? Is that just is that being sexist?
Speaker 6 (21:13):
No?
Speaker 12 (21:14):
Mean, maybe that's just purely coming back to male female
You know, folks, you think about young boys, you try
and get you out of them. How's your day gone?
Oh all right? Speak to my daughter and you get
the whole day told to you. You know, is there
something ingrained within the sexes?
Speaker 2 (21:30):
I don't know, but for you it's important, So you
will you will. What about some of our great All
Blacks and Black Caps that have got zero personality but
they provide extraordinary results or figures or numbers, so that
that just overarches, that doesn't it eradicates their needs for
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personality because their results are so good.
Speaker 12 (21:57):
Well, I guess that the first thing you look at
is what are you employing them to do? And you
sports people, first of all, are there to perform in
their sport. Now having someone with a personality that can
then talk to the media in a way that's engaging
and gets the listeners going wow, I really like that.
That's almost an added bonus. I think you'd want them
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to perform on the field or whatever they're performing on,
in a boat, whatever first, that's the first thing criteria.
I think having a great personality and being great dialogue
with have an interview with you, Darcy or someone else,
that's almost like an added bonus.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
It isn't, Gavin, Thanks very much for your thoughts, and
now there is a.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Thought process that it.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Is important because people need to connect with their sports
heroes to buy into what the sports heroes are doing.
And in the modern world of sport it's dominated by
social media. That probably is important to a generation up
until I don't know when thirties forties. As I said before,
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first and foremost, for me, it's results, and it is
it's a nice to have that they've.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Got great personalities.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I think that some sports desperately need personality to draw
more people into the game. But I think results first, personality. Second,
oh one hundred eighty ten eighty high warrant.
Speaker 13 (23:24):
Hi, Darcy, thanks for taking my call. Two things. Just yes,
I think personalities are great for the sports, but it
comes naturally to some and not so naturally to others.
And just listening today, I watched Christian Cullen and I
always enjoyed him as a player, but I never knew
him as a person. And then I heard him interview
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today on the radio and I saw a completely different
site to him, which was amazing. And then the same
goes for Lisa Dame Carrington. I had the chance to
hear her being interviewed by Mike Coskin, and again, you
just get such a different flavor of the person and
the character and the personality. So I agree with you
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it is needed, but it doesn't come easy.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
It's a nice to have because I'd suggest that, and
I've listened to podcasts with Dame Lisa Carrington. I find
her an extraordinary individual, and I didn't realize the depth
of her personality and thought.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Processes because you never see that. You just see results.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
And when you get a long podcast I'm talking an
hour and a half, two hours, you really get an
idea about the character behind the hero. But if she
wasn't winning, no one would care. She could be the
nicest lady in the world. But if she didn't win
and was only an average performer, is like, yeah, that's
lovely stand over there, and that's I think, a harsh reality,
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but it is a reality. Personality is a nice to
have and it's great to be exercised, but it's not
it's not necessary.
Speaker 9 (24:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (24:56):
Yeah, anyway, thanks for taking my card and enjoy your sure, Warren.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Thanks very much for ringing eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty lines are open. And I think that also with
Craig with you in this with sporting personalities, it takes
a long time with some athletes to gain their trust.
I'm talking from my side of the mic in a
broadcasting situation. And the longer you know them, the more
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you speak to them, the more they understand you, the
more likely they are is to open up more and
give you more about them. It's not an easy thing
to do, i'd expect. A nineteen twenty year old rugby
player has been sheltered in rugby in his entire life,
and he's been told to sit and weird, to stand
and what to wear and he's really good. Blah blah
blah blah blah. It's the nineteen does something phenomenal on
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the field, and suddenly the world's media appointing cameras that
I'm asking questions. I can talk, but.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
I'd freak out like that too today, Craig, how.
Speaker 14 (25:52):
Are you no bad yourself?
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Yeah? Good?
Speaker 14 (25:55):
I think it Also, I'm not blowing whistle a few
backside thing, but it also applies to you talk back
host sector ality as well. Otherwise it's just tends to
drag on some of the calls a little bit. But
I always find.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
We can't want to well, I'm not competing for it.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Now I get to the end of it.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Go look, I'm a world champion.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
It's different I think the sports people results.
Speaker 14 (26:16):
Yeah, two things was. First of all, I think personality
doesn't make a big difference because if you get players
who are a little bit of an ahole, then the
new upcoming people that want to go and export and
look at that and go would possibly put them off
wanting to be that sort of sports player because they go, well,
it's as a port of a turn off. Really, I
mean it comes to some people. Some people have. I
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think that's some players are like extroverts and some introverts
and it just becomes harder for some people. But I mean,
if they're going to be a bit of a pain
in the ass, then a people don't expire to look
up to them. And also you probably find that they
tend to then go towards sports, which is the single
men's sports, because teen players don't want to play with them.
But years and years ago, I went over to Australia
and my uncle runs an engineering firm over there, and
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I was over there and managed to meet Peter Brook
back in the old old days.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
I'm jealous and what a superstar.
Speaker 6 (27:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 14 (27:08):
So I turned up there and he just finished doing
a whole load of engine happening with engineering and they said, oh,
he's going to got a couple of minutes and he's
going to go home for a rest or whatever for
something that something was doing that night. He turns around
to me and goes, no, I've got all the time
in the world. So we sat down and had an
hour and a half chat and I said, haven't you
got somewhere else to be And he goes, that's not important.
I said, I'd rather spend Tom fans, even though from
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New Zealand, they have a chat to you rather than
going to some corporate thing. He was just he was
sort of like the guy that would give the shirt
off your back type thingupy sixty Lawnmarke was broken. He
was really it was a great guy. I learned a
few things from him about how you should carry yourself
in life and with relationship with people that sort of
take the heart hell basically. But yeah, real Saultly is
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type guy.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
And we love hearing stories like that because I see
it all the time in my business, the genuine stars
that are genuine human beings. And you know, you can
tell very fast when you meet them outside of the mic,
when you meet them in the street when they're not
putting it on. You know that humans and you know
the people that just do it because they feel they
have to. And again you go back to that Craig,
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it's not something you can put on and it's put
on a great personality.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
If you haven't got one, you can't do it.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
But it is important. But if you're winning, I think
people brush that to one side. Don't think it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
You're a wonder. We don't mind if you're a bit boring.
Speaker 14 (28:28):
Yeah, well, I mean the series half in the other
conversation was basically, you wanted to know about me and
what I've been doing in my life and what the
engineering stuff. There's nothing about him, and again you want
to know about me, and he goes, yeah, I like
to hear what other people do him because it puts
it into perspective of his life. When he learns about
what other people are going through a throw of struggles
and all that, you can sort of relate to it.
So you know, I've got a couple of signed caps
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and a caring sign from him years ago, so I've
got their all frame now. But yeah, it's pretty sad
what happened when you passed away. The same as like
the old possum born. You mentioned to meet him one
time when he was doing the race up to the
top of the hill, and here was this hard case.
It was aleric and like comedian, but as soon as
he drops in the car, total different, personally changed straight
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and so you're like, it's on. I'm into it.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
It's a human is a key we and he wants
to talk and I think it's magnificent.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Craig. Thanks very much for that.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
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Weather nineteen away from eight sports talking on NEWSTALKSZB lines
rapping eight hundred and eighty ten eighty talking about personalities
in sport necessary and nice to have big for the
sport if they win't be your care Hey, Alex.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
What have you got for us?
Speaker 14 (30:04):
Gooday?
Speaker 9 (30:05):
Darcy advanced by having me Yeah, ah good. I I'm
not a spot person, but I do enjoy watching the game.
And then I found personality is one of really important
ingredient as a spot person. I found that the next
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generation will watch the hero on the spot field and
then if give them the good image, won't you think?
Speaker 6 (30:33):
So?
Speaker 3 (30:35):
I think that victory is more important.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
I might be wrong.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Personality is not essential, As I said, It's a nice
to have if you've got someone who promotes your sport
well and talks to the fans and doesn't come across
like an Egypt It really works. But if your team's winning,
I think that papers over a number of issues.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
That you might have in that space.
Speaker 9 (31:03):
I agree where coming from, I might slightly got a
different idea, which is may I say they're both equal?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Of course, again, it's all about opinion, Alex. That's what
we're getting people to call up for and and in
your eyes, if that's right, that's right. But you can
be the nicest guy and the most amusing, entertaining, fun
guy in the world. But if you finish fourth all
the time, I think people are going to stop paying
any attention to you, aren't they?
Speaker 9 (31:30):
Well, yeah, agree, And then the thing is a personality
comes to like say, for example, oh can I have
a celature from you? Then I say no, no, you
just walk away. Yes, you won the game, but you
just walk away, and we still give a silic to
the to their fans.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
So okay, I think what you're saying here is that
you can erode anything you do on the paddic with
a terrible personality.
Speaker 9 (32:01):
It's could rule out a bit the image of the spot,
wonn't it.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Well, it could have It's an individual sport, it's just
you you are crushing. If it's a team sport, Alex,
thanks very much for your call on one hundred and
eighty ten eighty.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
If you want to climb on.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Board, maybe team players can hide behind their team so
it doesn't matter so much about what they say or
how they present, because it's about the team, not the individual.
But if you're a fantastic tennis player, for example, and
even though you have great results, you're a bit of
a spart off the court, can that detract from your
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fan base? Does that turn people off? I suppose Then
you get to someone like Nick Kurios. He's not the
greatest tennis player in the world, but it's mouthy. Maybe
that encourages people to watch the sport.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
I don't know. I'm asking your thoughts. Eighty ten eighty high.
Speaker 8 (32:53):
Feel you didn't see good?
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Good? What's up?
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Well?
Speaker 8 (32:59):
This is an interesting topic of race here, and I
think for me, a lot depends on what you consider
to be success, and it's success to Lily in a
professional sport is about fan base, in come media attention.
I think personality has a lot to do with it,
or at least perceived personality. And I'm into Moto GP
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that sort of stuff over the many years. You think
about Valentino Rossi as a classic example of that, where
yes he was successful on the track for many years,
but even well past his prime, when the likes of
Marquez and Lorenzo and Stoner etc. Were beating him sometimes
on a regular basis, he was still the guy that
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people were interested in, how was he getting on, who's
he signed for to the next season? And most importantly,
and if you turn up to Moto GP event, you'd
see the majority of people wearing branded gear would be
wearing bossy stuff.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Is that based on what you mean? Because he's an
absolute superstar in the sport, but he does back that
up with an extraordinary string of results that came first.
If he didn't have those results, would he still be
as popular? And I'm thinking, oh, on Daniel Ricardo's really
popular and isn't way anything there?
Speaker 8 (34:18):
You go, right, well, there's an element to check on
an egg of course about it, particularly when so much
hinges on whether or not you get a seat in
Formula one or a rider Moto GP based around perceived
and you know, income and that sort of stuff. So
if you've got a big media profile, and that comes
about lastly because of what you say, what you do,
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how you carry yourself, and that's naturally going to give
you a headstart. It's going to put you on a
better biker and a better cap. But if you go
back into Rossie, say history, you know he was doing
he was doing well before he came upon this persona
that was out there doing the maxio other stuff after
the after the race and all that sort of stuff.
But he was also one with a good quip. And
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if you go back again in that sport, you go
back years, you go back to Barry Sheeen probably the
first of the well known people and motorbike race, and
maybe maybe Mike Hale would but people were just naturally
gravitated towards that person who had a bit of alaric
and about him, a bit of a characters something to say,
not always necessarily what we call politically correct these days.
Those days, it was just polite. And so manufacturers would
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be attracted to them supplies of gear because.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
People feel like that's them up there riding the bike.
They can associate with it and they can say, hey,
I'm like that, I swear a bit and I fart
a bit. And even then I spit say's like me.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
So it's awesome.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Motor GP at Portermow by the way, watch it stunning, Phil,
Thanks for your call. This is newstalks eb.
Speaker 15 (35:50):
It's sitting away from adj.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Now on Sports Talker by Steve Lancaster, General Manager Community
Rugby for in z are focusing on the joy of
the MPC more specifically the rain Fairly shield. Steve, how
are you gee that's cracking along that shield, isn't it?
It just never dies the attraction of those games.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
I don't know what it is.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
Do you have any idea?
Speaker 11 (36:33):
Mate?
Speaker 6 (36:33):
And welcome Darcy, look, thanks and good to chat. It's
been a while, but yeah, the reinferry shield, it's well,
I mean it's special, right and I think the last
week has just shown that you know it hasn't well
the result to start with the response in the community
and now the sort of server that's floating around about
(36:57):
mentions challenges special and we we know that we love it,
but we appreached the converutered. So it's great to hear
other people say the same time when you.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Look at this shield and operates, how important is it
for end z are to claim more goodwill around this
as a vehicle for support for the game extraordinarily important.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
What do you do to encourage that?
Speaker 6 (37:20):
Well, I mean we try to do our bit obviously
and celebrating it and promoting it, but ultimately it is
the teams that play for it, the teams that hold
it and their communities that do the biggest and best
job of celebrating and promoting it. And again, as I say,
like I was starting on the weekends, not because I'm
(37:42):
biased about the upcome by any visure, but just by
the way that people responded to that result. You know
how the public and Taranaki responded, you know, the team
on the steps there in Nelson and the local community
around them.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
So you can be forgiven for calling Tasman Padernaki. I'll
give you that. And you know they both start with
tea this week again, something else to unbeaten teams at
the top, essentially playing for the shield. Again, the narrative
just gets better and bit. You can't buy this kind
of stuff, can you see?
Speaker 6 (38:20):
No, no, you can't, And I mean there's another layer
intrigued it with the release of all Backs to play
this weekend. Right, so you've got two teams at the
top of the table and you've got Welling now Philly
proper and Ruben loved the Tasman, so I wouldn't have
tried to say filled yourself pack.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
No, No, I hope him.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
He hasn't played, but the haven't released him.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Probably they don't want to give tasmand the problem of
going we might have to drop Finley Christie.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Again for no, I hope him. It wouldn't work too well,
would it.
Speaker 6 (38:51):
Well, I don't come again. I don't know if it
was consider at all, but I'm going to say that.
And suddenly Christie, they certainly don't miss the beat and
the way he's playing. Yeah, I mean it would have
actually been a bit of a dilemma. Wouldn't talk about the.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
MP See in general, I'm really enjoying the fact I'm
watching these games at small grounds with an engaged crowd
that get right into its taking you back to the
good old days. They're not pat as in we're not
talking twenty thousand people. But this has got to be
Is this good for New Zealand rugby even though they're
smaller to focus back on that province?
Speaker 6 (39:27):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And yeah, something we've red really hard
on over the last couple of years to get more
afternoon kickoffs, the potential for those games to be played.
They're smaller venues and more regional venues, and I like
you so, I mean the crowd numbers probably aren't there
different at all too what they would be in a
bigger venue. But you just get that atmosphere and the
(39:49):
proximity to the game, you know, of the crowd, it
just creates a whole different event.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
What does that say to you about the way the
drawers created You said that you're trying to have more
afternoon games, maybe taking them to smaller grounds, and do you.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Need to do more in this space? Is this telling
you what you should be doing with the MP.
Speaker 6 (40:06):
See one, you know, to find we continue to work
on that. But there's definitely a place for bigger venue games.
And you know, as we're get into some of those
bigger seven and a half thousand, don't maybe want and
then think seven and a half thousand on Thursday night,
you know, and that's a great venue. So you wouldn't
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take that game to a smaller venue. But certainly through
the course of the competition, much a lot of oders,
there's a loto opportunity to take games into local communities,
take them too smaller venues, but there's definitely still a
place for the for the bigger venues and those bigger
matches as well.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Steve s GM Community Rugby joining us.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
The fact that there's there are all black breaks during
the NPC season by design or by accident, because this
has got to also help eyeballs because there's no all
blacks on right.
Speaker 6 (40:58):
Yeah, well, I'd like to say spy design. It's beautiful,
but the reality is that the international program and gets
set well set several layers about us and so you know,
we we have a window that the NPSC has played
with a fell blacks program creates windows opportunities for players
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to be released in playing. That's great for the confidence.
Great to see you've got an all blacks management group
that came to release players and see them participating in it.
So yeah, I'd love to play credit for that, says
by design, but a lot of us just about smoking
the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
You hear it from the biggest names in sports many
have your sale Sports Talk on your home of Sports
News talk z be.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
It was Steve Lancaster.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
He's the general manager of Community Rugby and m Z
are talking about the upsurge and the mp n PC,
the ren finish yield.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
It is good, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
You're not going to win every time, You're not going
to get it every time. But you go to smaller grounds,
it feels like rugby. It feels like you're actually part
of an event. And when you watch it on TV
and instead of great Big Cavanis Stadium is now on needs.
Accidentally plenty of texts and didn't have a chance to
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read them all out because I'd rather talk to you
on the phone. Although Kevin says, get real the factors.
We don't give a toss about women's teams.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Well, Kevin, I think you don't.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Give a toss about women's teams. I think that generally
sports fans do care because they're fans of sport, not
of a gender. Look after yourself, Kevin. Hope you stay well.
Andy Duff, thanks very much for all of your contribution
to the program. As always, thanks for all the callers
the Texas. I'm Darcy watergave back tomorrow from seven on
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what are we talking tonight, Well, we're talking. We're talking
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of style. His name is Gary Herminson. They're looking back
at the black ferns embracing King Charles and the world
went gaga over it because it was Soka Yoat and
that personality we get from the black ferns and how
much we enjoy that from our athletes. But looking around
(01:38):
the import of that, how important is that to the punter,
to the athletes, to themselves, to the results.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
We'll talk with.
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Gary about that and we'll take your calls on our
eight hundred eighty ten eighty tell us how important is
personality when it comes to sport. Our athletes by and
large to reserve, to shut off.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Do they not offer enough?
Speaker 4 (02:04):
What do you want to see from them? We'll talk more.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
About that later on the piece and towards the end
of the programming and he's on Rugby General Manager of
Community Rugby Steve Lancaster. The Orbacks return to the NPC
this weekend. The ran fairly shield of Rocks and the
NPC is not looking that bad either. Happy days at
n Z that's our plan. But for now verse Sport
(02:27):
today and in Sport today, fair Salm and Ethan, the groot,
all black prop and proud product of the Deep South
is back from injury this weekend is a southund that
take on Canterbury in the NPC. He's using fellow ab
lump to Mighty Williams as an inspiration.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
Has come back from a pretty big injury over Super
and hadn't had a lot of regoby and to have
two quality games for some big minutes and I spoke
for him on that front. But yeah, I'll have to
own my spot again and just get back in there
and do what as the Tens need to do.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Green stalker Ryan Fox can't see the end of the fairway.
His year has been larger than the large Jack mcglige,
winner of last year's competition.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
It has been a lot of cable this year, a
lot of golf totlets.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
I think I've played twenty four or twenty five already,
which is.
Speaker 6 (03:13):
Probably more than I've played the last couple of years.
Speaker 7 (03:16):
Each years, you're not still quite a bit of golf
to play as well.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Money's good, that wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Rugby League deserter Joseph sua Ley is bracing himself for
the torrent abuse that will receive at Penrith this weekend.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
There's his Roosters take.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
On the three times defending champion Panthers as the NRL
Finals get their giggle on Friday.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Night's still the weekend, isn't it? Yeah, of course it is.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
I'll grow up in the area so I know what
the crowd's going to be like.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
But that's good.
Speaker 6 (03:44):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
It's about and they stick into my process and to
keep the wall and New Zealand's Minister for Sport, Chris Bishop,
knows who the bosses, but will he exercise.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
That power in the trans athlete space.
Speaker 8 (03:58):
Sport New Zealand is a government department that purports to
me and they're required to give effect to government policy.
Speaker 9 (04:03):
So if I asked them to update the guidelines, they
will have to do that.
Speaker 10 (04:06):
And that's sports today.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Gary Hermanston that joins us now performance a mind set
coach when it comes to the wonderful wide world of sport. Gary,
welcome to the show. I trust you well, I trust
your beaming.
Speaker 7 (04:39):
Thanks, I am, and that's good to speak to you.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Let's start at the start.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
We saw today something quite extraordinary, something wonderful and heartwarming
from the Black Ferns as they engaged King Charles. They
all had a hug, they had a group photo, They
laughed and they cheered. What did you think when you
first saw that?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
It was unusual? Was it not but uplifting?
Speaker 7 (05:02):
Unusual but uplifting?
Speaker 6 (05:03):
You know?
Speaker 7 (05:03):
It was a kind of rather warming really to w
It was that sense. In many ways, it was a
nice combination of a whole range of things, like the
way they approached it, both in terms of seemed to
me a little bit scripted even that they might have thought,
oh let's ask him for this, but the way they
asked him for permission, and his answer it was spectacular
as well, like why not rather than yes you can
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or no you can't. So it's almost like giving up
permission just for the reality of the moment. But I
thought that the whole energy and collective element of it
was lovely. It was really nice to see.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
We'll seeing personality from sports people and in generally a
lot more from the way HENI I think that's fair
to say, a lot more interested in connecting with that
side of themselves and sharing it with the wider public
and the media. So how important actually is it at
that level of sport to be able to show your personality.
Speaker 7 (05:55):
Well, I think that from the point of view the
two parts one of the individuals and obviously there was
one individual initiated it, but there's something collective also that
there's almost like a team personality. And one of the
things about the Black Firms at the moment, and as
it's been largely if you think back to Eve when
Wayne Smith was with them, who has a nice warm
personality as well, I think they've generated that whole collective togetherness.
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And you're right, I think there's something about the Wahini
element but also I think there's the ethnicity part as well.
There's a kind of a connection the welcoming that goes
on within Marina. Also, theres a lot of that how
you connect, and so I think the combination together just
was a perfect moment, came together nicely.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
So as far as important though for the way they
go about their business and that connection is it relevant
because I suppose if you look at the all Blacks
mightily successful so people, I suppose by pass the fact
they're not exactly the most engaging and they're not released
to the media as often as they should be, it
kind of pales into significance with success, does it not.
Speaker 7 (07:03):
Yeah, I think there's that element of pressure a lot
more too. The or box is almost like so very
preoccupied with the significance of outcomes and that, and whilst
the same thing applies with any national team that we have,
I think there's something which makes it a bit more
difficult to be that expressive. It's almost like you then
get labeled in a certain way. Whereas I think the
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journey that the Black firms have been on and what
they are facing now has come together in that way
that makes it possible and they certainly. I mean the
Sevens the same sort of thing. The Sevens women's team
is very energetic and personality wise with the individual a
lot of people who are very expressive and Ruby Tioei
and others like that sort. So there's a kind of
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a coming together of that which the men would necessarily have,
and I think the extra pressure gets in the way
of that for them as well.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Do you think people are more likely to be forgiving
of poor results if they feel like they know the athletes,
that they have some kind of personal connection like their
flesh and bud like we are. They're not on another level,
another platform, and so they'll accept maybe some of their
frailties and foibles.
Speaker 7 (08:10):
Yeah, I think that's very true. I think that if
you have that sense where you are seeing people as people,
as individuals as people you can connect with and that's
why a whole fan groups are important too, and you
see some of the connections that go on at games
and the actual venue where post games is a lot
more connection. That way, that helps and people then have
that identify with them more readily, whereas if you're doing
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it from a distance, you're much more aloof from that
and you see them as mainly just products are out there,
either fulfilling your dreams or not. Whereas when you're with them,
you see them in that personal way and you're much
more prepared to accept, embrace, and also forgive when moments occur.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
In that way.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Performance Mindset coach Gary Herminton Join just says, we're looking
at connectability between the athletes at a level that through
the media of course, to the fan base as well.
Have you noticed the change over the last ten twenty
years around in that space.
Speaker 7 (09:06):
In more personality, more kind of emphasis on the way
in which people enjoy the experience as well. I think
there was times where it became much more intense and
that way, whereas now and I think social media does
a little bit that too, both for good and for bad.
The ability to be able to see people as personalities
and the hard part of courses that you know, when
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things aren't going well then there is much more of
an inquisition around people in that way. I mean, one
of those things that's happening with the All Blacks at
the moment is there's you know, if you take a
raise of the coach, you know, for example, a lot
of that whole embracing him his personality and all those
things that he was doing with the Crusaders about break
dancing and fun and whatever suddenly have a different element.
(09:50):
I'm noticing in the media a little bit more to around.
You know, Well, it's a bit harder to be that expressive,
and maybe that outward going piece is going to be
a flaw within the All Backs environment rather than an
asset within the Crusaders. So we do tend to sort
of judge a little bit either good or bad, depending
upon how well the team's going as well.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Garry, what about the role of the media training that
come from the likes of sport like the All Blacks
and like the Black Caps, because they get leaned on
by their media liaison, so they put forward the best
picture that suits the narrative of the organization handy or
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possibly restraining too much.
Speaker 7 (10:35):
I think the media element is very important from that
point of view training, but I think it's that approachability piece.
And you can do media training which is much more
defensive and holding back and trying to make sure you
don't make a mistake. But I think when you emphasize
the approachability as people and training people to be able
to be human and natural and their response is an
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important part about that, and engagement with people as personalities
and as individuals you look up to and you see
them as being part of your connection with the team
you embrace. I think that's important piece as well to.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Be in some athletes to be they don't want to
upset the status quo. They don't want to cause any
issues that they can't wholly control because they're so protective
of their place of the team.
Speaker 7 (11:22):
It's always the case you don't want to step out
of line in case you offend either the organization you're
with or the coach, or you maybe say something which
might be a problem in relation to you to your
teammates as well. So I think there's a lot of
caution in that regard because you know everyone's if you're
in that team space, you always want to make sure
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you don't do anything which is going to jeopardize that
role as well. So there's inevitably going to be that
whole piece of caution. But if you think about what
we're talking at, what we began with around the black Ferns,
you know they are they haven't actually faced combination yet,
so there's that almost permission to be much more out
there and without that overriding judgment about how are you doing?
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And that as well, So I think the circumstances play
a part in that as well.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
You probably don't like talking in broad brushstrokes the performance
mindset coach Gary hermanson, let's do one. Is it actually
important what the public think of the athletes? Surely, results
first and foremost the rest of it.
Speaker 7 (12:26):
Who cares well results really matter, of course, because that's
what people follow for, and we can as a nation,
we can be pretty savage on our athletes at times
when they don't they don't deliver what we expect because
it's very much part of our national identity. On the
other hands, the real dilemma for athletes, in many ways,
the most critical thing about performance is the ability to
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value the outcome and what you're striving for, but to
be able to step back from that and to focus
entirely on what it is you are doing moment by
moment when it happens. And that's easier said than done.
But you know, coaches as well, they have to manage
that dual component about we're here to win, we wanted
to do that's our overall goal. But the challenge is
how do we step back from that and focus our
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attention on what we're doing to enable that to happen.
And very often in sport that that's very difficult to do,
and it's affected by the performance as it plays out.
People get too preoccupied with the significance of the effects
of the results and that gets in the way of
them being able to do what they've trained so hard
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to do, and it just affects their performance in the
moment they choke and that's not good at all.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
No need for the DMO.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
We've got the breakdown on sports Talk.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I say Choker on board twenty past seven sports lookal
News talks thereb performance mind set coach through sport. That's
Gary Hermanson joining us to talk about the personality in sport,
the importance of personality in sport when it comes to
top level, high levels, and how the public us engage
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with the superstars them and.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
It is actually important. That's my question to you.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Is personality important in sport at that level?
Speaker 8 (14:20):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
If they win, it isn't I think that victory papers
over the cracks of all sorts of lack of personality
and flavor in the athletes themselves.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Anybody cares if the athletes themselves are as dull as dishwater,
can hardly string a sentence together, as long as they're winning.
It's when you're not winning that people start finding ways
to have a crack.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
And if you're not very nice.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
And you don't present a good public face and you
start showing vulnerability as a human being, people have a
crack there if they want to, because they're upset that
the team's not winning. So suddenly it becomes more than
you're not scoring enough points. It's like, well, actually, hold on,
you're already boring.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
I don't like you anymore. That's that's my opinion.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
I personally, from a professional standpoint, prefer the athletes to
express more of who they are. I think it makes
for a better interview.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I think you don't agree.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
It makes for much better listening than somebody saying I
gave it one hundred and ten percent for the full
eighty minutes and thanks to the ladies for orangers at halftime,
and I'm going to work on my process and learnings
word it all before one hundred times.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
But it's hard. You can't train personality, and when you
listen to.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
An athlete that actually is free with their expression and
their words, and they've got enough horsepower upstairs to express that.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
It's much more interesting.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
We enjoy it, but we enjoy winning a whole lot more.
Something repressible about the Black Ferns and what they provide
and the way they are so upfront and they.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Do speak their mind.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
People love that.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
And I look across all the different sports and athletes
that I talk with, and generally the the female athletes
are better to speak to because they're more They're more
likely to channel into what they think and express that freely.
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They're not hiding behind some corporate wall. Don't say that,
don't do this, don't you dare do that, because it's
all about the bigger brand, and that normally happens with
big sports like the All Blacks and the Black Caps.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
And so on and so forth, not civil funds.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
They express themselves.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
And it's not a generalization because there are plenty of
blokes who can string a sentence together who are great
fun to talk to, you no doubt about that.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
You look at Tom Walsh, fantastic.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
But if you don't win, who cares about your personality?
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Right?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
So you tell me, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Is personality important to you in sports? Stars at that
top level? Does it actually matter? It's almost like it's
a nice to have, but it's not essential providing they
are providing results. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty
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lines are open. You can text nineteen ninety that z
B z B.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
It's seven twenty three cover chan James.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Only perceive and pass the nice bad and that'll lords.
Speaker 11 (17:52):
Some say, forget the riff's call. You make a call
on eight hundred eighty sports.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Talk on your home of sport.
Speaker 11 (18:06):
He talks the thing that I've gone.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
If you missed it, he goes the Royal ruckus, the
black ferns and the king. Okay, twenty seven minutes after
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seven personality being themselves. I want to hug, They ask
me why not and waves around. People love that stuff,
but is it that important in sports? Personality important to
you in sport? Down eight ten eighty.
Speaker 12 (19:08):
I, Gavin, are you going darstin?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I'm going forward?
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Gavin.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
No.
Speaker 12 (19:15):
I think personality is important, and I don't think it
matters whether you want to lose, because the personality should
still come out of an interview, know whether they're honest
about their performance or team's performance. So I'd rather because
I think the times we do see a bit of
a a lot of people or sports people will be
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quite sort of narrow in the comments because they are
worried about getting called out saying the wrong thing.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
And I think a lot of that's actually beaten into
them by mediately Amson people saying, look, be very very
careful because one slip and people might attack you.
Speaker 12 (19:53):
Right, yeah, and oh look, I've done media interviews through
a role at work and you are conscious that you
want to pord pray your organization in the right life.
That is important. But also the male female you were
talking about, I think also it's a lot harder and
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we don't want to be seen having a crack at
a female where we probably feel as it's okay to
have a crack at a guy.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Are you saying it gives them more of a more forgiving.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Right, okay, So gives them more room.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
I don't know, Maybe maybe not. I think when it.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Comes to criticizing sports teams, women don't get criticized as much,
do they, No, And.
Speaker 12 (20:36):
I think because the fear of that if someone publicly
came out and criticized a female team was as a
male team. You're more likely to get a backlash for
having a crack at the females than you were at
the male.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
But you talk to the female out and those teams,
and they want it. They said, no, you need to
lay into us. For professional sports people, we don't want
that anymore. I think that will change over time. But
that's a fair point that you make there. But also
I think that guys aren't partic chatty? Are they really
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are they? Is that just is that being sexist?
Speaker 6 (21:13):
No?
Speaker 12 (21:14):
Mean, maybe that's just purely coming back to male female
You know, folks, you think about young boys, you try
and get you out of them. How's your day gone?
Oh all right? Speak to my daughter and you get
the whole day told to you. You know, is there
something ingrained within the sexes?
Speaker 2 (21:30):
I don't know, but for you it's important, So you
will you will. What about some of our great All
Blacks and Black Caps that have got zero personality but
they provide extraordinary results or figures or numbers, so that
that just overarches, that doesn't it eradicates their needs for
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personality because their results are so good.
Speaker 12 (21:57):
Well, I guess that the first thing you look at
is what are you employing them to do? And you
sports people, first of all, are there to perform in
their sport. Now having someone with a personality that can
then talk to the media in a way that's engaging
and gets the listeners going wow, I really like that.
That's almost an added bonus. I think you'd want them
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to perform on the field or whatever they're performing on,
in a boat, whatever first, that's the first thing criteria.
I think having a great personality and being great dialogue
with have an interview with you, Darcy or someone else,
that's almost like an added bonus.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
It isn't, Gavin, Thanks very much for your thoughts, and
now there is a.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Thought process that it.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Is important because people need to connect with their sports
heroes to buy into what the sports heroes are doing.
And in the modern world of sport it's dominated by
social media. That probably is important to a generation up
until I don't know when thirties forties. As I said before,
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first and foremost, for me, it's results, and it is
it's a nice to have that they've.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Got great personalities.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I think that some sports desperately need personality to draw
more people into the game. But I think results first, personality. Second,
oh one hundred eighty ten eighty high warrant.
Speaker 13 (23:24):
Hi, Darcy, thanks for taking my call. Two things. Just yes,
I think personalities are great for the sports, but it
comes naturally to some and not so naturally to others.
And just listening today, I watched Christian Cullen and I
always enjoyed him as a player, but I never knew
him as a person. And then I heard him interview
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today on the radio and I saw a completely different
site to him, which was amazing. And then the same
goes for Lisa Dame Carrington. I had the chance to
hear her being interviewed by Mike Coskin, and again, you
just get such a different flavor of the person and
the character and the personality. So I agree with you
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it is needed, but it doesn't come easy.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
It's a nice to have because I'd suggest that, and
I've listened to podcasts with Dame Lisa Carrington. I find
her an extraordinary individual, and I didn't realize the depth
of her personality and thought.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Processes because you never see that. You just see results.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
And when you get a long podcast I'm talking an
hour and a half, two hours, you really get an
idea about the character behind the hero. But if she
wasn't winning, no one would care. She could be the
nicest lady in the world. But if she didn't win
and was only an average performer, is like, yeah, that's
lovely stand over there, and that's I think, a harsh reality,
(24:46):
but it is a reality. Personality is a nice to
have and it's great to be exercised, but it's not
it's not necessary.
Speaker 9 (24:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (24:56):
Yeah, anyway, thanks for taking my card and enjoy your sure, Warren.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Thanks very much for ringing eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty lines are open. And I think that also with
Craig with you in this with sporting personalities, it takes
a long time with some athletes to gain their trust.
I'm talking from my side of the mic in a
broadcasting situation. And the longer you know them, the more
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you speak to them, the more they understand you, the
more likely they are is to open up more and
give you more about them. It's not an easy thing
to do, i'd expect. A nineteen twenty year old rugby
player has been sheltered in rugby in his entire life,
and he's been told to sit and weird, to stand
and what to wear and he's really good. Blah blah
blah blah blah. It's the nineteen does something phenomenal on
(25:44):
the field, and suddenly the world's media appointing cameras that
I'm asking questions. I can talk, but.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
I'd freak out like that too today, Craig, how.
Speaker 14 (25:52):
Are you no bad yourself?
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Yeah? Good?
Speaker 14 (25:55):
I think it Also, I'm not blowing whistle a few
backside thing, but it also applies to you talk back
host sector ality as well. Otherwise it's just tends to
drag on some of the calls a little bit. But
I always find.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
We can't want to well, I'm not competing for it.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Now I get to the end of it.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Go look, I'm a world champion.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
It's different I think the sports people results.
Speaker 14 (26:16):
Yeah, two things was. First of all, I think personality
doesn't make a big difference because if you get players
who are a little bit of an ahole, then the
new upcoming people that want to go and export and
look at that and go would possibly put them off
wanting to be that sort of sports player because they go, well,
it's as a port of a turn off. Really, I
mean it comes to some people. Some people have. I
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think that's some players are like extroverts and some introverts
and it just becomes harder for some people. But I mean,
if they're going to be a bit of a pain
in the ass, then a people don't expire to look
up to them. And also you probably find that they
tend to then go towards sports, which is the single
men's sports, because teen players don't want to play with them.
But years and years ago, I went over to Australia
and my uncle runs an engineering firm over there, and
(26:59):
I was over there and managed to meet Peter Brook
back in the old old days.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
I'm jealous and what a superstar.
Speaker 6 (27:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 14 (27:08):
So I turned up there and he just finished doing
a whole load of engine happening with engineering and they said, oh,
he's going to got a couple of minutes and he's
going to go home for a rest or whatever for
something that something was doing that night. He turns around
to me and goes, no, I've got all the time
in the world. So we sat down and had an
hour and a half chat and I said, haven't you
got somewhere else to be And he goes, that's not important.
I said, I'd rather spend Tom fans, even though from
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New Zealand, they have a chat to you rather than
going to some corporate thing. He was just he was
sort of like the guy that would give the shirt
off your back type thingupy sixty Lawnmarke was broken. He
was really it was a great guy. I learned a
few things from him about how you should carry yourself
in life and with relationship with people that sort of
take the heart hell basically. But yeah, real Saultly is
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type guy.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
And we love hearing stories like that because I see
it all the time in my business, the genuine stars
that are genuine human beings. And you know, you can
tell very fast when you meet them outside of the mic,
when you meet them in the street when they're not
putting it on. You know that humans and you know
the people that just do it because they feel they
have to. And again you go back to that Craig,
(28:13):
it's not something you can put on and it's put
on a great personality.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
If you haven't got one, you can't do it.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
But it is important. But if you're winning, I think
people brush that to one side. Don't think it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
You're a wonder. We don't mind if you're a bit boring.
Speaker 14 (28:28):
Yeah, well, I mean the series half in the other
conversation was basically, you wanted to know about me and
what I've been doing in my life and what the
engineering stuff. There's nothing about him, and again you want
to know about me, and he goes, yeah, I like
to hear what other people do him because it puts
it into perspective of his life. When he learns about
what other people are going through a throw of struggles
and all that, you can sort of relate to it.
So you know, I've got a couple of signed caps
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and a caring sign from him years ago, so I've
got their all frame now. But yeah, it's pretty sad
what happened when you passed away. The same as like
the old possum born. You mentioned to meet him one
time when he was doing the race up to the
top of the hill, and here was this hard case.
It was aleric and like comedian, but as soon as
he drops in the car, total different, personally changed straight
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and so you're like, it's on. I'm into it.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
It's a human is a key we and he wants
to talk and I think it's magnificent.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Craig. Thanks very much for that.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
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Speaker 3 (29:22):
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Speaker 2 (29:24):
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Weather nineteen away from eight sports talking on NEWSTALKSZB lines
rapping eight hundred and eighty ten eighty talking about personalities
in sport necessary and nice to have big for the
sport if they win't be your care Hey, Alex.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
What have you got for us?
Speaker 14 (30:04):
Gooday?
Speaker 9 (30:05):
Darcy advanced by having me Yeah, ah good. I I'm
not a spot person, but I do enjoy watching the game.
And then I found personality is one of really important
ingredient as a spot person. I found that the next
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generation will watch the hero on the spot field and
then if give them the good image, won't you think?
Speaker 6 (30:33):
So?
Speaker 3 (30:35):
I think that victory is more important.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
I might be wrong.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Personality is not essential, As I said, It's a nice
to have if you've got someone who promotes your sport
well and talks to the fans and doesn't come across
like an Egypt It really works. But if your team's winning,
I think that papers over a number of issues.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
That you might have in that space.
Speaker 9 (31:03):
I agree where coming from, I might slightly got a
different idea, which is may I say they're both equal?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Of course, again, it's all about opinion, Alex. That's what
we're getting people to call up for and and in
your eyes, if that's right, that's right. But you can
be the nicest guy and the most amusing, entertaining, fun
guy in the world. But if you finish fourth all
the time, I think people are going to stop paying
any attention to you, aren't they?
Speaker 9 (31:30):
Well, yeah, agree, And then the thing is a personality
comes to like say, for example, oh can I have
a celature from you? Then I say no, no, you
just walk away. Yes, you won the game, but you
just walk away, and we still give a silic to
the to their fans.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
So okay, I think what you're saying here is that
you can erode anything you do on the paddic with
a terrible personality.
Speaker 9 (32:01):
It's could rule out a bit the image of the spot,
wonn't it.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Well, it could have It's an individual sport, it's just
you you are crushing. If it's a team sport, Alex,
thanks very much for your call on one hundred and
eighty ten eighty.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
If you want to climb on.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Board, maybe team players can hide behind their team so
it doesn't matter so much about what they say or
how they present, because it's about the team, not the individual.
But if you're a fantastic tennis player, for example, and
even though you have great results, you're a bit of
a spart off the court, can that detract from your
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fan base? Does that turn people off? I suppose Then
you get to someone like Nick Kurios. He's not the
greatest tennis player in the world, but it's mouthy. Maybe
that encourages people to watch the sport.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
I don't know. I'm asking your thoughts. Eighty ten eighty high.
Speaker 8 (32:53):
Feel you didn't see good?
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Good? What's up?
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Well?
Speaker 8 (32:59):
This is an interesting topic of race here, and I
think for me, a lot depends on what you consider
to be success, and it's success to Lily in a
professional sport is about fan base, in come media attention.
I think personality has a lot to do with it,
or at least perceived personality. And I'm into Moto GP
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that sort of stuff over the many years. You think
about Valentino Rossi as a classic example of that, where
yes he was successful on the track for many years,
but even well past his prime, when the likes of
Marquez and Lorenzo and Stoner etc. Were beating him sometimes
on a regular basis, he was still the guy that
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people were interested in, how was he getting on, who's
he signed for to the next season? And most importantly,
and if you turn up to Moto GP event, you'd
see the majority of people wearing branded gear would be
wearing bossy stuff.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Is that based on what you mean? Because he's an
absolute superstar in the sport, but he does back that
up with an extraordinary string of results that came first.
If he didn't have those results, would he still be
as popular? And I'm thinking, oh, on Daniel Ricardo's really
popular and isn't way anything there?
Speaker 8 (34:18):
You go, right, well, there's an element to check on
an egg of course about it, particularly when so much
hinges on whether or not you get a seat in
Formula one or a rider Moto GP based around perceived
and you know, income and that sort of stuff. So
if you've got a big media profile, and that comes
about lastly because of what you say, what you do,
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how you carry yourself, and that's naturally going to give
you a headstart. It's going to put you on a
better biker and a better cap. But if you go
back into Rossie, say history, you know he was doing
he was doing well before he came upon this persona
that was out there doing the maxio other stuff after
the after the race and all that sort of stuff.
But he was also one with a good quip. And
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if you go back again in that sport, you go
back years, you go back to Barry Sheeen probably the
first of the well known people and motorbike race, and
maybe maybe Mike Hale would but people were just naturally
gravitated towards that person who had a bit of alaric
and about him, a bit of a characters something to say,
not always necessarily what we call politically correct these days.
Those days, it was just polite. And so manufacturers would
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be attracted to them supplies of gear because.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
People feel like that's them up there riding the bike.
They can associate with it and they can say, hey,
I'm like that, I swear a bit and I fart
a bit. And even then I spit say's like me.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
So it's awesome.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Motor GP at Portermow by the way, watch it stunning, Phil,
Thanks for your call. This is newstalks eb.
Speaker 15 (35:50):
It's sitting away from adj.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Now on Sports Talker by Steve Lancaster, General Manager Community
Rugby for in z are focusing on the joy of
the MPC more specifically the rain Fairly shield. Steve, how
are you gee that's cracking along that shield, isn't it?
It just never dies the attraction of those games.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
I don't know what it is.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
Do you have any idea?
Speaker 11 (36:33):
Mate?
Speaker 6 (36:33):
And welcome Darcy, look, thanks and good to chat. It's
been a while, but yeah, the reinferry shield, it's well,
I mean it's special, right and I think the last
week has just shown that you know it hasn't well
the result to start with the response in the community
and now the sort of server that's floating around about
(36:57):
mentions challenges special and we we know that we love it,
but we appreached the converutered. So it's great to hear
other people say the same time when you.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Look at this shield and operates, how important is it
for end z are to claim more goodwill around this
as a vehicle for support for the game extraordinarily important.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
What do you do to encourage that?
Speaker 6 (37:20):
Well, I mean we try to do our bit obviously
and celebrating it and promoting it, but ultimately it is
the teams that play for it, the teams that hold
it and their communities that do the biggest and best
job of celebrating and promoting it. And again, as I say,
like I was starting on the weekends, not because I'm
(37:42):
biased about the upcome by any visure, but just by
the way that people responded to that result. You know
how the public and Taranaki responded, you know, the team
on the steps there in Nelson and the local community
around them.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
So you can be forgiven for calling Tasman Padernaki. I'll
give you that. And you know they both start with
tea this week again, something else to unbeaten teams at
the top, essentially playing for the shield. Again, the narrative
just gets better and bit. You can't buy this kind
of stuff, can you see?
Speaker 6 (38:20):
No, no, you can't, And I mean there's another layer
intrigued it with the release of all Backs to play
this weekend. Right, so you've got two teams at the
top of the table and you've got Welling now Philly
proper and Ruben loved the Tasman, so I wouldn't have
tried to say filled yourself pack.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
No, No, I hope him.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
He hasn't played, but the haven't released him.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Probably they don't want to give tasmand the problem of
going we might have to drop Finley Christie.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Again for no, I hope him. It wouldn't work too well,
would it.
Speaker 6 (38:51):
Well, I don't come again. I don't know if it
was consider at all, but I'm going to say that.
And suddenly Christie, they certainly don't miss the beat and
the way he's playing. Yeah, I mean it would have
actually been a bit of a dilemma. Wouldn't talk about the.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
MP See in general, I'm really enjoying the fact I'm
watching these games at small grounds with an engaged crowd
that get right into its taking you back to the
good old days. They're not pat as in we're not
talking twenty thousand people. But this has got to be
Is this good for New Zealand rugby even though they're
smaller to focus back on that province?
Speaker 6 (39:27):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And yeah, something we've red really hard
on over the last couple of years to get more
afternoon kickoffs, the potential for those games to be played.
They're smaller venues and more regional venues, and I like
you so, I mean the crowd numbers probably aren't there
different at all too what they would be in a
bigger venue. But you just get that atmosphere and the
(39:49):
proximity to the game, you know, of the crowd, it
just creates a whole different event.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
What does that say to you about the way the
drawers created You said that you're trying to have more
afternoon games, maybe taking them to smaller grounds, and do you.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Need to do more in this space? Is this telling
you what you should be doing with the MP.
Speaker 6 (40:06):
See one, you know, to find we continue to work
on that. But there's definitely a place for bigger venue games.
And you know, as we're get into some of those
bigger seven and a half thousand, don't maybe want and
then think seven and a half thousand on Thursday night,
you know, and that's a great venue. So you wouldn't
(40:28):
take that game to a smaller venue. But certainly through
the course of the competition, much a lot of oders,
there's a loto opportunity to take games into local communities,
take them too smaller venues, but there's definitely still a
place for the for the bigger venues and those bigger
matches as well.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Steve s GM Community Rugby joining us.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
The fact that there's there are all black breaks during
the NPC season by design or by accident, because this
has got to also help eyeballs because there's no all
blacks on right.
Speaker 6 (40:58):
Yeah, well, I'd like to say spy design. It's beautiful,
but the reality is that the international program and gets
set well set several layers about us and so you know,
we we have a window that the NPSC has played
with a fell blacks program creates windows opportunities for players
(41:19):
to be released in playing. That's great for the confidence.
Great to see you've got an all blacks management group
that came to release players and see them participating in it.
So yeah, I'd love to play credit for that, says
by design, but a lot of us just about smoking
the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
You hear it from the biggest names in sports many
have your sale Sports Talk on your home of Sports
News talk z be.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
It was Steve Lancaster.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
He's the general manager of Community Rugby and m Z
are talking about the upsurge and the mp n PC,
the ren finish yield.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
It is good, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
You're not going to win every time, You're not going
to get it every time. But you go to smaller grounds,
it feels like rugby. It feels like you're actually part
of an event. And when you watch it on TV
and instead of great Big Cavanis Stadium is now on needs.
Accidentally plenty of texts and didn't have a chance to
(42:19):
read them all out because I'd rather talk to you
on the phone. Although Kevin says, get real the factors.
We don't give a toss about women's teams.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Well, Kevin, I think you don't.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Give a toss about women's teams. I think that generally
sports fans do care because they're fans of sport, not
of a gender. Look after yourself, Kevin. Hope you stay well.
Andy Duff, thanks very much for all of your contribution
to the program. As always, thanks for all the callers
the Texas. I'm Darcy watergave back tomorrow from seven on
(42:50):
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