September 13, 2024 • 43 mins
D'Arcy Waldegrave wraps the week that was in the world of sport! Highlights for tonight include:
Crusaders CEO Colin Mansbridge discussing the new Super Rugby Pacific format
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Waldegrave
from news Talk ZED.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Be good evening, Welcome to sports Talk. Thanks for joining us.
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It's Friday night, thirteenth of September twenty twenty four. I
know Starcy Wattergrave. We through until eight the seasoning on
the program tonight will be joined later in the piece
by Kay Enward, prop from the Black Ferns. Talk a
(00:56):
little bit about the fixture that's coming up one thirty
on Sunday morning against possibly the biggest crowd that's ever
attended a match of rugby to female teams. Possibly don't
know yet. I suppose the prove of that party will
be in the eating. We'll find out, and of course
it'll be remiss of me not to talk about the
(01:16):
ruckus around King Charles, the Buckingham ruckus. Can we call
it that?
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
We shall so. She joins us later on and the
Peace will kick things off though with Colin Mansbridge, CEO
of the Crusaders Super Rugby franchise, as we take a
look at the new way of competing, the new Finals series.
A lot of new, maybe not as much new as
some people would like, but plenty to look at. Plenty
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to get our teeth into. As far as the structure,
especially the finals structure coming up and Super Rugby in
twenty twenty five. Colin's just around the corner. We'll take
your calls on that as well. Of people say it's confusing,
I really don't think it's confusing. If you're confused by
something like this, good luck tying his shoes. What happens
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now is I'll try to explain it's someone and I'll
make your peaks here of it that I think. Come on,
really finishing the top six, keep winning, win the championship.
The pretty simple. I mean there's a bit of a
wobble in there, but we'll talk about that later in
the piece. I'd love your calls. I one hundred eighty
ten eighty. This is all about being fan centric. This
is about us, the people that pay for tickets and
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buy jerseys and watch the TV and pay for our subscriptions.
And yes I do do one of those hold on
no book, quite a few jerseys now I think about it,
and I'll pay my subscription. But it's about us. So
does this work for you? Listen to Colm Man's bridge them.
After that, we'll take your calls on oh, one hundred
eighty ten eighty, and I'll attempt to keep up to
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date with the NPC match going on between Southward and Canterbury.
Canterbury already seven zip up after three minutes, but before
any of that, AH, a whole lot of this sport today,
in sport today. The afghanistaniw shilling cricket Test has ended
how it began damp. We don't never really started, Coach
(03:10):
Gary Stead. See, the players were as disheartened as we were.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
The guys are really disappointed that it was an opportunity
to play Afghanistan. It doesn't come around that often and
they have some unique sort of bowlers in that as well.
That's always good to get your head around.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
The Sydney City Roosters winless over the Panorpe Panthers and
they have been for five long years. The NRAL playoffs
will start tonight. So has coach Trent Robinson got a
plan to turn around that horrible stats.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
We know exactly what we want out of the game,
how we're going to play, and beliefs in the seventeen
players and the game plan that we've got so belief's
really high.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Talks. One thing that all the best trend all Black
prop Ethan the group lays us up for Southland tonight
as they look to put the cantabs to the sword.
But how like they're handy and the tight and they're
even good on in the white edges as well.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
Clean out. It's going to break down.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
It's going to be crucial and physicality it's going to
play a big part get amongst and New Zealand football
has been predictably transparent and open to chatting about the
multi carriage derailing that has been the yet clover appointment
and well departure from the scene. They issued a brief
statement before saying this and that's sport today. We joined
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it now on Sports Talk by Colin Mansbridge as we
look to the decision made in Super Rugby Pacific twenty
twenty five season a six team finals format. Of course,
eleven teams produced for one after the Rebels managed too
well they lost themselves on a financial mya Colon Mansbridge
out of the Crusaders, joins us now first up, Colin,
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your initial your gut reaction to this.
Speaker 7 (05:08):
I'm quite excited by it actually because it's a little
different and so obviously the competitions come in for some
criticism historically dance around the you know, too many teams
making the finals.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
I think a lot of the pundits were saying that
to us.
Speaker 7 (05:22):
So when they've come up with this format, the SUPERBA
Pacific boards come up with this format, that one at
six and then there's there's a bit of jeopardy in there,
but the you know, somebody who's performed really well in
the round robin gets another chance.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
I actually quite like it. Actually, it's quite a neat,
neat format.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Did you were you involved as as a CEO in
the club itself and setting this up? Do they like
talk with you? Were you considered?
Speaker 7 (05:50):
Absolutely, we were consulted. So the new board that's been established,
which is his first full assembly today, actually the first
full assembly meeting today that the Jack Nessley, the new CEO,
reached out or him and his team some months ago
and sort of said, you know, what did you like
about last year?
Speaker 6 (06:09):
What could be better?
Speaker 7 (06:11):
That was integrated with a bit of fan feedback and
some options were sort of thrown around the table, and
so yeah, we were consulted. I wouldn't say we were
influential in the outcome rather than consulted as any stakeholder
should be so I think it's a fair, fair process,
and I actually like the fact that we've got a
super rapi Pacific board thinking about these things with a
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fan first mindset. How can you get good finals quality
and quantity into those weeks rather than just you know,
who's the loudest voice amongst the clubs.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
I agree with you on this. I've shatted a lot
to Kevin Malloy and he's very open to it. He's
a direct number. We need to hear from the people.
We want to talk directly to the people, so that
attitude Matt Barlow as well, and I'm hoping that Measely
is the same. I think we can feel that it's
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got to be good because it is about the fans,
isn't it about?
Speaker 6 (07:10):
As Colin well Well went to spent.
Speaker 7 (07:12):
We spent a day in Auckland yesterday, the CEOs and
the head coaches doing some work with a super rob
pacific review of last year and what might you know
what might be some of the things for twenty twenty
five and Jack spent Jack lead obviously it's his first.
Speaker 6 (07:30):
Conference with us. He's met most people.
Speaker 7 (07:33):
He's done a really good job in getting around and
understanding what clubs and what the national unions need of
you know, all the islands, New Zealand and Australia, and
then actually also trying to put a fan first, and
he kept bringing us back to fan all the way
through it. So and I think for when you turn
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up there with your Crusaders had on, and you know,
you're thinking, well, what's good for Crusaders, and then Jack's
just dragging you back to well, what's good for all
of the fans of the competition? You know, I'm really
impressed really, So I like Jack. I think he's a
good man. He's got a very much a fan hat on.
And the board that Kevin leeds, now, yeah, they are
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very very objective and independent, so excited by where we
can go with this thing.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
There's positives, there are negatives as well, and it would
be remissive me not to mention that the one that
seems to be popping out is that there is a
lucky loser. How does that structure work with you that
someone can get beaten but they can still come back
and win the whole shooting match.
Speaker 7 (08:41):
So the one for me that really when we went
through the bit of scenario analysis about what could happen.
I'm sitting there and thinking one verse six in the
round robin, and let's assume one went through and were unbeaten.
So think about a Blues of a few years ago.
They go through, they're unbeaten, and they play the sixth
rength finalist in that qualifying final and they get beaten
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by a point, you know, in the eighty third minute.
And let's say I don't know, they're carrying a couple
of injuries or whatever, and you go, gee, you know
they've they've gone through unbeaten in all those rounds and
fourteen matches. You just wonder whether it's a bit tough
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on them not to get a second chance.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
And so I sort of I.
Speaker 7 (09:31):
Looked at it that way rather than oh, you know,
it's just it's just giving a loser a second chance.
I sort of thought, well, what about a winner of
a round robins or first or second fantastic round robin,
minor premiership winners, And then and then they're sort of
sitting there going, yeah, that's our season gone through a
bit of bad luck, bad fortune. Now, it's probably unlikely
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to happen that way, but I think, for you know,
qualifiers one two, three, four, and the other thing it
actually forces you to. It's not just about making the
finals this year. The best thing in twenty five, The
best thing you can do is actually rank well. So
every ranking count every ranking place counts because it gives
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you the potential for that life. So it's not just
making the finals and am I going to get a
home or in a way, actually I just got to
get as high as I can because that's going to
make a difference in the final series.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
CEO of the Crusaders Super Specific joins us colon Man's Bridge.
I've read a conspiracy theory that it might be open
to a rought whether the top qualifier maybe tanks the
first week knowing they're still going to life and it
might set them up better come semi finals times. Do
you smell a rat there to think that ever happened
in this competition.
Speaker 7 (10:49):
I love conspiracy theories made. I just think they're the
most awesome things. The reality is, when you get to
that stage in the competition, what's more likely is you're
going to want You're going to want cohesion, You're going
to want consistency, You're going to want your combinations to
be better and better resting athletes is always a contentious
(11:13):
issue because you know, quite often, especially if they're all
blacks or they're playing a lot of NPC on the
top of super, it can be a long, hard season.
But I don't think when you come to finals time,
I think you're looking to combinations, right, and nobody's going
to plan to nobody's going.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
To plan their way.
Speaker 7 (11:31):
I wouldn't have thought you'd want to. You want to
see your way home, home, home would be, what your
strategy would be. So and I just can't see people
throwing a game. Frankly, I just this, it's too risky.
So here now, I think you're probably going to try
and go home, home home and get your combinations going.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
So Colin sixteen player format work through that, that seems good.
What about the draw that's just around the corner. Need
to believe that there's going to be more more day games,
more Sunday games. Obviously you can't let the cat out
of the bag, but how's that draw looking.
Speaker 7 (12:11):
So, Yeah, we've seen a couple of drafts and the
way we're thinking it's going to land for us is
that we're going to end up playing New Zealand teams home.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
And away for the first time in a few years.
Speaker 7 (12:25):
We'll end up with seven home matches, which you know,
without a super around this year, it'll be nice for
us to be seven.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
At home this year.
Speaker 7 (12:36):
And then yeah, there are some different start start times
just to try and you know, test what happens around
broadcast versus attendance. You know, there were some matches last
year where we learned a bit around broadcast didn't suffer greatly,
but attendants performed really well in some afternoon matches.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
So I think all.
Speaker 7 (12:59):
Of that research from last year has gone into what
this year looks like. So again, sometimes it's easy to
just say, right, fans what this, fans want that, and
people make those calls based on intuitional.
Speaker 8 (13:11):
Gut feel that.
Speaker 7 (13:13):
The good thing I like about Jack, Matt and the
team have done this year is they've they've come with
a little bit more research, insight.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
And com mansbridge. The schedule teams play four teams twice,
so that rivalry is very much set up. This is
this is either into Island or into Kiwi rivalry six
remaining teams just once. I mean, that's key in the
way that works. You're you're looking at the fact that
people love Derby's and you need to work with that.
Speaker 6 (13:45):
I think that's that we you sort of.
Speaker 7 (13:48):
It can get a little bit hard around trying to
try to build a competition that has equity and you know,
these guys getting a fair run, and these guys getting
a fair run. But the fans tell us. And this
is where Jack comes in and his team. The fans
just always tell us. I like watching those historic derbies
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and so you know, you just can't get away from them,
so what why not embrace them? And so yeah, it
might make it a bit tougher in perception for sometimes
than others, but I think you're just going to respond
to what the fans want within reason.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
So yeah, I'm really excited about what next.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
You looks like the right call is your call on
eighty Sports Talk, Call on your home of Sports News
Talk V.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Color Man's Bridge the CEO the Crusaders, And to be fair,
I'd be excited. I was to see the Crusaders as well.
You can only look up from where they finished last year. Now,
can Rob Penny's going to ride on one of those
great big personal roles and save the day. Maybe maybe not.
So that's the plan. This is what it is the
changes to Super Rugby Pacific. What's the absolute guts? What
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is the guts of it? Well, it's reasonably simple when
it comes to the finals, at least. A lot of
complaints last year about the length of the finals, the
amount of teams that could still qualify for the finals,
the fact that somebody can come from pretty much nowhere
and still get in and win their way right the
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way through. You score points throughout the competition. The six
teams who qualify for the postseason will be in the quarterfinals,
three winners and the highest seeded loser making up the
four teams in the semifinals. There you go. It's not
that difficult to understand, is it.
Speaker 9 (15:50):
Well, hang on, Darcy, is it? If there's three of them,
how can they be quarterfinals? Shouldn't they those be third finals?
Speaker 2 (16:01):
You did that to yourself. You qualify for the postseason,
you feature the quarterfinals. Maybe it's in a word. What
we know is that the three winners from the first
six games and the highest seted loser make up the
four teams in the semi final. That's all after right,
(16:22):
You can't do it any other way. Question to you
out there, are you happy that this is fan Centric.
Apparently they did some research, and I know talking to
a lot of the people are running Super Rugby, they're
pretty keen to actually listen to you out there. In fact,
I had one of the chairman saying to me, look,
we listened to your show because we listen to the
people because the people that you are broadcasting to are
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the people that we need to engage with. They're the
ones that come to the games. So here's my number.
Ring me whenever you want and talk to me. And
I thought that was really cool. So has this worked
for you as a fan of rugby, as a fan
of Super egg not even as a fan, maybe as
a casual observer. It's eleven teams. It's not ideal. They
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can't just magic another team up o nowhere after the
Rebels managed to fall apart, So they got eleven. What
do they do with it? This is what they do.
Top six qualify for the final series. Four of them qualify,
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two of them go to the finals. You get a winner.
The trick here is just keep winning, right, That's the
way it goes. I Waite hundred eighty ten eighty Does
this work for you? Be satisfied with this? I don't
think they've gone too far. They could have made some
bigger changes. But hey, some Sunday games, some afternoon games
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and easily understood finals that everyone doesn't qualify for works
for me? Does it work for you? I eight hundred
eighty ten eighty lines are open. I love to hear
from your here on Sports Talk Canterbury leading South enough
to eighteen min it's seventeen to ten.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
You don't need for the TMO. We've got the breakdown
on Sports Talk cal oh h, News Talk Said.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Sports Talk care and News Talk TV lines rap in
oer eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Your response to
the new format, The new look Super Rugby Pacific one
less team, shorter finals, games on a Sunday, games in
the afternoon, a focus on local derbies. Sounds like a
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winner to me. If it isn't, you tell me why
Peter joins us now the format? What does it say
to you? Peter? And welcome?
Speaker 5 (18:58):
How are you doing there?
Speaker 6 (18:59):
Hey?
Speaker 8 (18:59):
Look?
Speaker 10 (19:00):
Are you going to do a top six? I don't
think all six teams should play each other at the quarters.
I think what they should do is have three play
six and four play five as qualifying finals, while the
first two teams get a week off to recover, get
a bit of a bonus for them.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah, granted, I think the thing here what we've got
to understand, I suppose here I'm on teaching how to
suck eggs, is that they need as many games as
they can to generate income because everybody's poor, right, So
if they get people a week off, it's like, well,
it's a game we could have been having as opposed
to And it's kind of I don't think in golden
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quarter finals. It's more round one of the finals, isn't it,
and then you go on to the semi finals up
after that. But I think they need interest right the
way through, and I don't they get enough rest anyway.
They get two buyers a season.
Speaker 10 (19:52):
Peter, Well, yeah, but I mean if you're going to
have if you're the best option for a full house,
if you're a top two team is Look, if you're
getting in a quarter final in a knockout situation and
you get yourself knocked out, well, you know you miss
the out all the finals money as well. We saw
what happened near the end last year or this year
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when the Hurricanes had their game against the Chiefs. Should
have been a sellout, wasn't Everyone is holding on to
their money for the next game. When the Hurricanes were
in the final and I never got there.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Well that's a lesson, isn't it. For the crowds. Yeah,
don't predict the future because you don't know what might happen.
True to me, it looks it's a sixteen playoff format,
so I think people have got skin in the game
late if they make it. People are saying, hey, it
should just be a semi final on that set, But
I think again what I'm saying they need people to
be interested in the competition itself for as long as
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they possibly can, and if it becomes top four straight away,
suddenly it's like, well, people fall out of the back.
So they've got to keep interest. But they can't make
it so ridiculous that a team from the back of no,
we can still qualify with a round to go, because
that's what people combined about last year, right.
Speaker 10 (21:04):
True, true, But it'd be good for the top two
teams to get a bit of a benefit from winning,
you know, one of the top two spots.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
But they get home advantage. I mean that's a benefit,
isn't it. I mean, you know, what do you want
to do? Serve it up to my plate. Come on, Peter,
make them work.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
For it right?
Speaker 10 (21:19):
Oh you know we were we beat it it.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Oh that's good man, thanks very much for ringing. Anyone
else's got an opinion it by all means, let me
know eight hundred eighty ten eighty past the seven it is.
I'd love to hear from you. I'm going to textas
his four teams in the finals end of body story.
Fresh heads and money. We'll get this. They've got to
generate income somehow. No one's got any We're all skinned.
(21:44):
What happened to that lake of silver that was swimming in?
Do that get drained or something? Now Australia didn't even
get Look, there's a there's a couple of really good
things about this format. I've mentioned the carpel, but I
tell you one for me that really makes me smile.
No Super Round in Melbourne, that's so good. It was
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such a shambles that was didn't work at all. That
as much traction as front tires on my car, and
tires are expensive. It slid around the neighborhood. I think
until someone tells me no. When I get a warrant
it's it. Give us your thoughts. Eight one hundred eighty
(22:28):
ten eighties it worked for you. This is about the fans.
This is what it's supposed to be. You look at
that format and go, you know what I'm buying into this?
Or you look at that format and go od cares.
I hope you don't. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty
lines are open. Oh oh Southend have drawn level. It's
(22:48):
now seventeen apiece worth fifteen to go in the first half,
kid amongst she voting for Trump?
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Sorry, no, the other one.
Speaker 9 (23:22):
Harris said, she's voting for Harris.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Harris has it's only the Taylor swifty that's decided to
run with Harris, right, yeah, because they going to have
any bearing, do you think ants?
Speaker 9 (23:35):
It used to Celebrity endorsements were a big thing back
in two thousand and eight, but not so much anymore,
not anymore? Ate, Good, Nice to know.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
It's about the length and breath of my political knowledge
over in America. Except I'd rather watch the Contender series
than Trump and Harris, which I did. I found it
so much more engaging, it wasn't confusing, and.
Speaker 9 (23:55):
It much more decisive.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Result in that one absolutely only lasted by eight minutes
or something made it even better. Let's rip into more
talk around this Super Rugby rejig, if you will. The
changes are on the way for Super Rugby Pacific. It's
a sixteen playoff format, more afternoon games and additional round
(24:17):
a start a week earlier on Valentine's Day. Ah, so weekoday, Chris,
how are you?
Speaker 8 (24:25):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (24:25):
Well, thanks for the call. So what I would have
if I was in charge, I would have after the
round robin given teams more than two a week off
and let team three play six four versus five beat
each other up and had to go back to those
two top teams who hunt those positions, and they were fresher.
(24:48):
So it's so it's a bit more of a a
fear of reflection of how the season has gone down.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
We've talked about this previously, Chris. I think that the
key thing here is what a Super Rugby Pacific trying
to do. They're trying to create revenue, you aren't They.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
Of course they have to.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
So if you have a week where you don't have
a couple of teams playing each other, they're just kind
of setting around doing whatever they're doing. That takes from
the bottom line of Super Rugby Pacific. They need as
much money as they can get, so they've got to say,
you guys are going to keep playing because we've got
best and interested in this. That that makes sense.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Yeah, yes, I completely understand that that angle, because just
there's no money, there's no game. But if it's just
a Auckland Blues and Wellington were one and two and
the Crusaders were six, I think we should have a
harder road to make the final because the season has
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been played out. That dictates that they've got more rights
to be in the final. Not that it's an automatic right,
but like with the NRAL, if you wouldn't so that
if the Panthers beat the Roosters tonight, they have a
week off the Roosters tonight. Didn't mean to say I'm
Asters fan, so I've got to go.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
It's been five long, hard years against Penn, isn't it. Sorry, Chris,
I shouldn't rub it in. Thanks for colling Garry.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
Sorry, sorry, I can rub it in even worse. Nineteen
out of last twenty games the Rusters have played against
Melbourne and Penrith have been lost with those too. Top
those two teams at the top right now.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
You know, well, at least at least you're at the
Big Dance Nighter. The Warriors, they's still stuck back of
Mount Smart trying to wig out what even earth happened anyway,
back back to Super Rugby, back to the draw situation.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
Yeah, look, I'll be interested to see how it goes
for two, three, four seasons and the idea of going
to that similar style of the NRL and the AFL
playoff system works potentially not eighteens, but with six Let's
just see how it goes.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
With the nature of the former systems. In the NRL,
it was the Warriors that changed that thinking when they
busted the chops of the stormway back in the day,
wrecked it for everybody.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Yeah, they did.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
So they were sitting at sixth I believe that year
and they managed to seek into the final. So they
changed it to that, you know, that playoff system where
the top four get it a second crack at the cherry.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
There was no advantage for finishing at the top because
you could still get rolled by the apparently the worst
team in the finals. And that's the way that operated.
I think with this one though. These games are played
and there was still a lucky loser. So if you lose,
as long as you're the highest ranked, say if you're
the number one qualifier and you happen to get beaten
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by lower one because you're the highest ranked loser, you
still get to go forward. So it's not all over.
There's still something there.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
Yeah, okay, so there is a similarity, really, isn't there
Actually thinking about it, They've.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Got an opportunity, haven't they. And that and the high
you qualify, the more likely is if you lose. Well, no,
if you do lose in the highest qualify, you can
still get through. It's not the end of the world.
So that game gives impetus to the concept of finish high,
get to the top, because I think you need to
(28:34):
give people reasons to finish at the top as if
you don't. So what's the point. I'll just muck around
and we come to the playoff time, right.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
Yeah, it'll be an interesting season next year, you know,
no Melbourne Rebels. I would have liked the idea of
bringing another team and yeah, maybe bringing the Haguaidas back,
or a team from Japan, or even having another Polynesian side.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Don't say another Australian team. Also, look, we've already got
my PACIFICA and you've got FEEG. Does a PACIFICA become
a someone team and a tongue in team makes up
that third team, so you've got full engage. I think
trying to bring not that I'm privy to any of
(29:22):
these conversations. That never let me into the boardroom except
to maybe clear the tables and poor water. But it's
true that. But I think if you bring the Hawais
back in again, or you bring a Japanese team back
in again, it's huge travel. You're taking away from the
local thrust of it. You're probably costing yourself more money
(29:44):
in your diluting the product.
Speaker 8 (29:46):
Again.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Look, I might be wrong, it might have to go
back to that. But if there's anything good about the
current system, it is local enough. It's around the Pacific, right.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
Yeah, that's fair play.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Well, thank you for your time, and thank you Chris
for your time. Always a pleasure. Eighteen minutes to eight.
Roman Travis takes over the controls from eight through till
at midnight on ne to pretend to Marcus Slush. Marcus
Slash Night's program, running four minutes toward the end of halftime.
Southend and Canterbury still in an arm wrestle seventeen place seventeen.
(30:27):
Currently Southland are lurking on the Canterbury try line, lurking
with intent to roll over and score. Now there's some stinky,
sweaty looking men there. I tell you I'd give you
a commentary on the last couple of minutes, but it's
beyond me. If you want that, just go to gold
Sport you find the commentary there of this fixture. Coming
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up short in the program, we're going to be having
a chat with Kate Henwood, late developer. Kate him with
great story around how she eventually got to the black Ferns.
She was involved in the Buckingham rucas yesterday and of
course the most important thing the game against England. That's
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Twickenham one thirty on Sunday Morning, Texas Large. This is
news Talk's ab It's seventeen to eight, honest.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
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Speaker 8 (31:27):
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Speaker 5 (31:29):
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Speaker 2 (31:35):
I don't care about you Strive. I'm in love. So
now on News Talks AIRB Sports Talk by Kate inwardly
sad prop for the ferns who are taking on England
nearly ours of Sunday morning. Excuse me over at Twickenham, Kate,
Welcome to the program. Great to chat. I suppose first
(31:56):
up we must address the ruckus at Buckingham Palace. Talk
us through that and the experience with the king.
Speaker 8 (32:06):
Yeah, a rackers is a good word for it. I yeah,
it probably started off all serious, but as the girls
got talking, it just kind of, like you said, our
personalities came out and it turned into a black ferns party.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
The reaction has been astonishing, hasn't it. It's gone global,
it'd say viral, and I think the big response out
of this a lot of people saying, Wow, King Charles
is actually human, his reaction, his response probably the best
bit of pr to ever come out of Buckingham, Pallas.
But if you on the ground, what's the reaction like
being over there? Cake?
Speaker 8 (32:48):
No, I think everything's been pretty positive. But like you
touched on, even when we were there that the King
towards us, we realized pretty quickly he was pretty human.
I guess it was the word you use. He I
guess he's the way he talked and carried on. We
sort of I guess got the feeling that, you know
(33:09):
that Asha could ask.
Speaker 6 (33:11):
For a hug.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
What about the build up? How planned was this, this
group hug with its royal highness.
Speaker 8 (33:20):
Well, we obviously got welcomed in. It was pretty surreal
driving through the gate. I guess, you know, people lined
up outside, we sort of realized, I guess if we
hadn't already, how special it.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Was to be invited in there.
Speaker 8 (33:37):
So that was the start of it.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
And then I guess driving in and looking around it
sorr driving in, Yeah, it.
Speaker 8 (33:52):
All started kind of feeling a bit surreal, really, and
then we got in about five minutes before the King
came in, we were giving having lessons on how to curtsy.
We all felt pretty relaxed up until that point. And
(34:12):
then yeah, I guess he came in and did the
realm with the girls who are in kind of small groups,
and as he went round he yeah, like I said,
the girls probably took his lead about how natural and
comfortable he was to where that That's why that led
to that.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
All right, enough about the royals, let's focus on the
point at hand, that, of course, is Massive Game one
thirty Zon time on that Sunday morning at tweaking them
up against the English Roses, and talking to you before
this interview, you said after that w XV final, you're
basically embarrassed. So I'm presuming you've been carrying that feeling
(34:52):
right the way through and you'll release that come tweaking
them on Sunday morning.
Speaker 8 (34:59):
Yes, definitely. I guess after the World Cup and all
of that, when the girls won won the World Cup,
to then roll into a game where we underperformed, it's
definitely been in the back of our minds ever since.
That's what we trained towards to this this next moment.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
What did you pull out of that game? What did
you determine after that loss? Have you managed to put
your finger on anything?
Speaker 8 (35:29):
To be fair, I think, like myself, like I had
never obviously played against them before, and a lot of
the girls were new and we had new coaches as
well and that, and so a lot of those girls,
you know, it wasn't the whole World Cup team that
played against and so for some of us that was
the first time experience playing it, you know, at that level.
(35:52):
And I think, yeah, just with the changes of where
we're heading to, we probably were just on the start
of our journey, you know, the re regeneration for the
next World Cup. So it was kind of a whole
lot of changes like that. Given gals a go early on,
that probably lead to.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
That hugely valuable experience for everyone concerned, the younger ones
and people like yourself younger to the national side. But
you started your career with the Ferns slightly later on
the piece. So out of that game for yourself, Kate,
hem would what particularly did you pick up?
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (36:30):
I think for me probably was just the first look
at well, this is this is where it's at, do
you know what I mean? Like, this is the level
we need to be. I'd obviously debuted a few games
before that against teams that we're obviously not as tough
as England was, so then year playing that I was
just realized, oh, yes, I've got lots of work to do.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Yeah, especially up against the key strength of England, which
is their pack and up there on the front row
that's where the dark arts are practiced and and that's
where you are. Is it too much to suggest that
that defeat and your experience, Kate, was a bit of
a slap in the face.
Speaker 8 (37:11):
Yes, definitely, it was definitely a wake up call for Yeah,
I guess myself being quite new, and probably some of
the other girls who hadn't, like I said, hadn't been
there before, probably got a slap in the face of well,
you know, England's moved on from the World Cup and
we you know, we obviously haven't.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
It's quite a tough thing to say for yourself and
your team, Kate, A difficult thing to admit.
Speaker 8 (37:39):
Yeah, I think it's probably at the time, Like I said, personally,
at the time, I wouldn't have thought that, But being there,
you know, personally, I realized, oh, yeah, I've got heaps
that work to do for this, you know, to get
up to this level.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
As you carry on developing, Kate, where do you think
your biggest work on area is? Where do you think
you've got the most room to develop?
Speaker 8 (38:04):
I think probably just yeah, probably just experience in those
high pressure situations. Have you never probably experienced that before?
Speaker 5 (38:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (38:20):
Probably probably just the experience of it. I would say,
it's a long.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Way from a portoquy, isn't it? All the way to
twiking them? And there's a potential this could be the
biggest crowd for a game of rugby between women's teams.
It's that's ever occurred. Do you spend much time talking
about that or or thinking about that with the other
other athletes?
Speaker 8 (38:43):
Yes and no. I guess we prepare really well for
that sort of stuff. But I think you know, at
the end of the day, to be honest, you just
kind of blanket all out when you're on the field anyway.
You can't.
Speaker 6 (38:53):
You know, you can't.
Speaker 8 (38:54):
You're you're in the zone, you don't. You don't. I
guess notice any of that around you.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Well, I know, eighty thousand plus people, we can hardly
not notice that.
Speaker 8 (39:05):
Kate, Yeah, I think. I mean, obviously I haven't been there,
so I don't know, But I guess there will be
parts like a national anthem, that sort of stuff.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
Doing the hack.
Speaker 8 (39:14):
I guess where you probably feel this is. You know,
the moment will probably get to yeah, you know this
is crazy, But once once the whistle goes in here
into the game, that that all fades out.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Forget the refs call.
Speaker 6 (39:27):
You make a call on.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Sports Talk on your home of Sports.
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Speaker 2 (39:36):
One thirty on Sunday morning, English, Roses taking on the
QWY Black Ferns should be a great exchange vengeance on
the minds of the Black Ferns after they are embarrassed
in the w x V final last year. WXB one
series continues after England have been dismantled, he said, hoping
(40:01):
they dare away to Canada and they play the w
XV one. They've got three games on the BA ounce
over there, one of them again being England. So a
big old Northern tour for the ferns. You've been listening
to Kate Henwood and her description of what happened at
the the Ruckus at the Palace. Does that sound better
(40:21):
the Buckingham Rucus or the Ruckus at the Palace or
maybe I should just not try and give it a
snappy name.
Speaker 9 (40:26):
I think Malice at the Palace is already a thing
from the NBA, so I think Buckingham Ruckus is like
a bit more unique.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Which, okay, we'll take that. Now we've gotta pull you
up on something. You can't have degrees of unique. You say,
a bit more unique, a bit more, a bit more unique. Well, yeah,
maybe they're unique unique.
Speaker 9 (40:47):
Okay, there are no degree quite right to pull up
on that. Hang on, let me just give myself another
one of these.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
On there a plenty of sport to watch this weekend,
Oh Halftime to by the Way, twenty four South, twenty
four seventeen, Canterbury over South and and the MPC. So
much good sport this weekend. Get amongst. If you're a
motorsport fan, Azerbaijan, Baku, the Grand Prix is on on Sunday.
On Monday morning this weekend is the date that Liam
(41:19):
Lawson will be or not will be. Does that makes sense?
He may get a drive in Formula One. I believe
that a contract says if by mid September they haven't
given him a drive with either Red Bull or Vcar
Racing the junior team, he's allowed to go away and
(41:39):
negotiate with someone else. And from what we can gather
from the noises around, he will be given a drive
and the feeder team and the junior team and he
will have a Formula one seat next year, and that
news should come out in the next I'd say twelve
(42:00):
to twenty four hours. I don't know this for sure,
just in case you're wondering, I've got no insideline, but
that's a myself. A number of the people involved in
motorsport a lot more close than Iyem who come to
that conclusion. Also, final round of any Car looks like
Alex Palo is going to win his third champion in
four years. Wow, that's something else sand down in Jiro's
(42:24):
for Supercars. Plenty of NPC, plenty of FPC, lots of
sanctioned violence coming up as well. Really looking forward to
watching Sean O'Malley with his great, big, crazy old arms
and uncanny ability to punch people from all sorts of
anger angles. It's coming up over the weekend too. There's
(42:46):
so much more, and you want to find out more
about what's happening slightly more locally or Sport Breakfast tomorrow morning,
seven to nine on News Talk ZB. I'll be there.
It's not six. Thanks for joining the program. Thanks to
all for a calling or texting or just listening and pleasure.
It has been mined cat to tomorrow morning here on
News Talk ZB.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Be good evening, Welcome to sports Talk. Thanks for joining us.
(00:36):
It's Friday night, thirteenth of September twenty twenty four. I
know Starcy Wattergrave. We through until eight the seasoning on
the program tonight will be joined later in the piece
by Kay Enward, prop from the Black Ferns. Talk a
(00:56):
little bit about the fixture that's coming up one thirty
on Sunday morning against possibly the biggest crowd that's ever
attended a match of rugby to female teams. Possibly don't
know yet. I suppose the prove of that party will
be in the eating. We'll find out, and of course
it'll be remiss of me not to talk about the
(01:16):
ruckus around King Charles, the Buckingham ruckus. Can we call
it that?
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
We shall so. She joins us later on and the
Peace will kick things off though with Colin Mansbridge, CEO
of the Crusaders Super Rugby franchise, as we take a
look at the new way of competing, the new Finals series.
A lot of new, maybe not as much new as
some people would like, but plenty to look at. Plenty
(01:43):
to get our teeth into. As far as the structure,
especially the finals structure coming up and Super Rugby in
twenty twenty five. Colin's just around the corner. We'll take
your calls on that as well. Of people say it's confusing,
I really don't think it's confusing. If you're confused by
something like this, good luck tying his shoes. What happens
(02:05):
now is I'll try to explain it's someone and I'll
make your peaks here of it that I think. Come on,
really finishing the top six, keep winning, win the championship.
The pretty simple. I mean there's a bit of a
wobble in there, but we'll talk about that later in
the piece. I'd love your calls. I one hundred eighty
ten eighty. This is all about being fan centric. This
is about us, the people that pay for tickets and
(02:28):
buy jerseys and watch the TV and pay for our subscriptions.
And yes I do do one of those hold on
no book, quite a few jerseys now I think about it,
and I'll pay my subscription. But it's about us. So
does this work for you? Listen to Colm Man's bridge them.
After that, we'll take your calls on oh, one hundred
eighty ten eighty, and I'll attempt to keep up to
(02:48):
date with the NPC match going on between Southward and Canterbury.
Canterbury already seven zip up after three minutes, but before
any of that, AH, a whole lot of this sport today,
in sport today. The afghanistaniw shilling cricket Test has ended
how it began damp. We don't never really started, Coach
(03:10):
Gary Stead. See, the players were as disheartened as we were.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
The guys are really disappointed that it was an opportunity
to play Afghanistan. It doesn't come around that often and
they have some unique sort of bowlers in that as well.
That's always good to get your head around.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
The Sydney City Roosters winless over the Panorpe Panthers and
they have been for five long years. The NRAL playoffs
will start tonight. So has coach Trent Robinson got a
plan to turn around that horrible stats.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
We know exactly what we want out of the game,
how we're going to play, and beliefs in the seventeen
players and the game plan that we've got so belief's
really high.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Talks. One thing that all the best trend all Black
prop Ethan the group lays us up for Southland tonight
as they look to put the cantabs to the sword.
But how like they're handy and the tight and they're
even good on in the white edges as well.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
Clean out. It's going to break down.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
It's going to be crucial and physicality it's going to
play a big part get amongst and New Zealand football
has been predictably transparent and open to chatting about the
multi carriage derailing that has been the yet clover appointment
and well departure from the scene. They issued a brief
statement before saying this and that's sport today. We joined
(04:42):
it now on Sports Talk by Colin Mansbridge as we
look to the decision made in Super Rugby Pacific twenty
twenty five season a six team finals format. Of course,
eleven teams produced for one after the Rebels managed too
well they lost themselves on a financial mya Colon Mansbridge
out of the Crusaders, joins us now first up, Colin,
(05:04):
your initial your gut reaction to this.
Speaker 7 (05:08):
I'm quite excited by it actually because it's a little
different and so obviously the competitions come in for some
criticism historically dance around the you know, too many teams
making the finals.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
I think a lot of the pundits were saying that
to us.
Speaker 7 (05:22):
So when they've come up with this format, the SUPERBA
Pacific boards come up with this format, that one at
six and then there's there's a bit of jeopardy in there,
but the you know, somebody who's performed really well in
the round robin gets another chance.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
I actually quite like it. Actually, it's quite a neat,
neat format.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Did you were you involved as as a CEO in
the club itself and setting this up? Do they like
talk with you? Were you considered?
Speaker 7 (05:50):
Absolutely, we were consulted. So the new board that's been established,
which is his first full assembly today, actually the first
full assembly meeting today that the Jack Nessley, the new CEO,
reached out or him and his team some months ago
and sort of said, you know, what did you like
about last year?
Speaker 6 (06:09):
What could be better?
Speaker 7 (06:11):
That was integrated with a bit of fan feedback and
some options were sort of thrown around the table, and
so yeah, we were consulted. I wouldn't say we were
influential in the outcome rather than consulted as any stakeholder
should be so I think it's a fair, fair process,
and I actually like the fact that we've got a
super rapi Pacific board thinking about these things with a
(06:33):
fan first mindset. How can you get good finals quality
and quantity into those weeks rather than just you know,
who's the loudest voice amongst the clubs.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
I agree with you on this. I've shatted a lot
to Kevin Malloy and he's very open to it. He's
a direct number. We need to hear from the people.
We want to talk directly to the people, so that
attitude Matt Barlow as well, and I'm hoping that Measely
is the same. I think we can feel that it's
(07:07):
got to be good because it is about the fans,
isn't it about?
Speaker 6 (07:10):
As Colin well Well went to spent.
Speaker 7 (07:12):
We spent a day in Auckland yesterday, the CEOs and
the head coaches doing some work with a super rob
pacific review of last year and what might you know
what might be some of the things for twenty twenty
five and Jack spent Jack lead obviously it's his first.
Speaker 6 (07:30):
Conference with us. He's met most people.
Speaker 7 (07:33):
He's done a really good job in getting around and
understanding what clubs and what the national unions need of
you know, all the islands, New Zealand and Australia, and
then actually also trying to put a fan first, and
he kept bringing us back to fan all the way
through it. So and I think for when you turn
(07:54):
up there with your Crusaders had on, and you know,
you're thinking, well, what's good for Crusaders, and then Jack's
just dragging you back to well, what's good for all
of the fans of the competition? You know, I'm really
impressed really, So I like Jack. I think he's a
good man. He's got a very much a fan hat on.
And the board that Kevin leeds, now, yeah, they are
(08:18):
very very objective and independent, so excited by where we
can go with this thing.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
There's positives, there are negatives as well, and it would
be remissive me not to mention that the one that
seems to be popping out is that there is a
lucky loser. How does that structure work with you that
someone can get beaten but they can still come back
and win the whole shooting match.
Speaker 7 (08:41):
So the one for me that really when we went
through the bit of scenario analysis about what could happen.
I'm sitting there and thinking one verse six in the
round robin, and let's assume one went through and were unbeaten.
So think about a Blues of a few years ago.
They go through, they're unbeaten, and they play the sixth
rength finalist in that qualifying final and they get beaten
(09:05):
by a point, you know, in the eighty third minute.
And let's say I don't know, they're carrying a couple
of injuries or whatever, and you go, gee, you know
they've they've gone through unbeaten in all those rounds and
fourteen matches. You just wonder whether it's a bit tough
(09:26):
on them not to get a second chance.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
And so I sort of I.
Speaker 7 (09:31):
Looked at it that way rather than oh, you know,
it's just it's just giving a loser a second chance.
I sort of thought, well, what about a winner of
a round robins or first or second fantastic round robin,
minor premiership winners, And then and then they're sort of
sitting there going, yeah, that's our season gone through a
bit of bad luck, bad fortune. Now, it's probably unlikely
(09:53):
to happen that way, but I think, for you know,
qualifiers one two, three, four, and the other thing it
actually forces you to. It's not just about making the
finals this year. The best thing in twenty five, The
best thing you can do is actually rank well. So
every ranking count every ranking place counts because it gives
(10:14):
you the potential for that life. So it's not just
making the finals and am I going to get a
home or in a way, actually I just got to
get as high as I can because that's going to
make a difference in the final series.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
CEO of the Crusaders Super Specific joins us colon Man's Bridge.
I've read a conspiracy theory that it might be open
to a rought whether the top qualifier maybe tanks the
first week knowing they're still going to life and it
might set them up better come semi finals times. Do
you smell a rat there to think that ever happened
in this competition.
Speaker 7 (10:49):
I love conspiracy theories made. I just think they're the
most awesome things. The reality is, when you get to
that stage in the competition, what's more likely is you're
going to want You're going to want cohesion, You're going
to want consistency, You're going to want your combinations to
be better and better resting athletes is always a contentious
(11:13):
issue because you know, quite often, especially if they're all
blacks or they're playing a lot of NPC on the
top of super, it can be a long, hard season.
But I don't think when you come to finals time,
I think you're looking to combinations, right, and nobody's going
to plan to nobody's going.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
To plan their way.
Speaker 7 (11:31):
I wouldn't have thought you'd want to. You want to
see your way home, home, home would be, what your
strategy would be. So and I just can't see people
throwing a game. Frankly, I just this, it's too risky.
So here now, I think you're probably going to try
and go home, home home and get your combinations going.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
So Colin sixteen player format work through that, that seems good.
What about the draw that's just around the corner. Need
to believe that there's going to be more more day games,
more Sunday games. Obviously you can't let the cat out
of the bag, but how's that draw looking.
Speaker 7 (12:11):
So, Yeah, we've seen a couple of drafts and the
way we're thinking it's going to land for us is
that we're going to end up playing New Zealand teams home.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
And away for the first time in a few years.
Speaker 7 (12:25):
We'll end up with seven home matches, which you know,
without a super around this year, it'll be nice for
us to be seven.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
At home this year.
Speaker 7 (12:36):
And then yeah, there are some different start start times
just to try and you know, test what happens around
broadcast versus attendance. You know, there were some matches last
year where we learned a bit around broadcast didn't suffer greatly,
but attendants performed really well in some afternoon matches.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
So I think all.
Speaker 7 (12:59):
Of that research from last year has gone into what
this year looks like. So again, sometimes it's easy to
just say, right, fans what this, fans want that, and
people make those calls based on intuitional.
Speaker 8 (13:11):
Gut feel that.
Speaker 7 (13:13):
The good thing I like about Jack, Matt and the
team have done this year is they've they've come with
a little bit more research, insight.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
And com mansbridge. The schedule teams play four teams twice,
so that rivalry is very much set up. This is
this is either into Island or into Kiwi rivalry six
remaining teams just once. I mean, that's key in the
way that works. You're you're looking at the fact that
people love Derby's and you need to work with that.
Speaker 6 (13:45):
I think that's that we you sort of.
Speaker 7 (13:48):
It can get a little bit hard around trying to
try to build a competition that has equity and you know,
these guys getting a fair run, and these guys getting
a fair run. But the fans tell us. And this
is where Jack comes in and his team. The fans
just always tell us. I like watching those historic derbies
(14:10):
and so you know, you just can't get away from them,
so what why not embrace them? And so yeah, it
might make it a bit tougher in perception for sometimes
than others, but I think you're just going to respond
to what the fans want within reason.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
So yeah, I'm really excited about what next.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
You looks like the right call is your call on
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Speaker 2 (14:40):
Color Man's Bridge the CEO the Crusaders, And to be fair,
I'd be excited. I was to see the Crusaders as well.
You can only look up from where they finished last year. Now,
can Rob Penny's going to ride on one of those
great big personal roles and save the day. Maybe maybe not.
So that's the plan. This is what it is the
changes to Super Rugby Pacific. What's the absolute guts? What
(15:05):
is the guts of it? Well, it's reasonably simple when
it comes to the finals, at least. A lot of
complaints last year about the length of the finals, the
amount of teams that could still qualify for the finals,
the fact that somebody can come from pretty much nowhere
and still get in and win their way right the
(15:26):
way through. You score points throughout the competition. The six
teams who qualify for the postseason will be in the quarterfinals,
three winners and the highest seeded loser making up the
four teams in the semifinals. There you go. It's not
that difficult to understand, is it.
Speaker 9 (15:50):
Well, hang on, Darcy, is it? If there's three of them,
how can they be quarterfinals? Shouldn't they those be third finals?
Speaker 2 (16:01):
You did that to yourself. You qualify for the postseason,
you feature the quarterfinals. Maybe it's in a word. What
we know is that the three winners from the first
six games and the highest seted loser make up the
four teams in the semi final. That's all after right,
(16:22):
You can't do it any other way. Question to you
out there, are you happy that this is fan Centric.
Apparently they did some research, and I know talking to
a lot of the people are running Super Rugby, they're
pretty keen to actually listen to you out there. In fact,
I had one of the chairman saying to me, look,
we listened to your show because we listen to the
people because the people that you are broadcasting to are
(16:44):
the people that we need to engage with. They're the
ones that come to the games. So here's my number.
Ring me whenever you want and talk to me. And
I thought that was really cool. So has this worked
for you as a fan of rugby, as a fan
of Super egg not even as a fan, maybe as
a casual observer. It's eleven teams. It's not ideal. They
(17:06):
can't just magic another team up o nowhere after the
Rebels managed to fall apart, So they got eleven. What
do they do with it? This is what they do.
Top six qualify for the final series. Four of them qualify,
(17:27):
two of them go to the finals. You get a winner.
The trick here is just keep winning, right, That's the
way it goes. I Waite hundred eighty ten eighty Does
this work for you? Be satisfied with this? I don't
think they've gone too far. They could have made some
bigger changes. But hey, some Sunday games, some afternoon games
(17:49):
and easily understood finals that everyone doesn't qualify for works
for me? Does it work for you? I eight hundred
eighty ten eighty lines are open. I love to hear
from your here on Sports Talk Canterbury leading South enough
to eighteen min it's seventeen to ten.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
You don't need for the TMO. We've got the breakdown
on Sports Talk cal oh h, News Talk Said.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Sports Talk care and News Talk TV lines rap in
oer eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Your response to
the new format, The new look Super Rugby Pacific one
less team, shorter finals, games on a Sunday, games in
the afternoon, a focus on local derbies. Sounds like a
(18:50):
winner to me. If it isn't, you tell me why
Peter joins us now the format? What does it say
to you? Peter? And welcome?
Speaker 5 (18:58):
How are you doing there?
Speaker 6 (18:59):
Hey?
Speaker 8 (18:59):
Look?
Speaker 10 (19:00):
Are you going to do a top six? I don't
think all six teams should play each other at the quarters.
I think what they should do is have three play
six and four play five as qualifying finals, while the
first two teams get a week off to recover, get
a bit of a bonus for them.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah, granted, I think the thing here what we've got
to understand, I suppose here I'm on teaching how to
suck eggs, is that they need as many games as
they can to generate income because everybody's poor, right, So
if they get people a week off, it's like, well,
it's a game we could have been having as opposed
to And it's kind of I don't think in golden
(19:37):
quarter finals. It's more round one of the finals, isn't it,
and then you go on to the semi finals up
after that. But I think they need interest right the
way through, and I don't they get enough rest anyway.
They get two buyers a season.
Speaker 10 (19:52):
Peter, Well, yeah, but I mean if you're going to
have if you're the best option for a full house,
if you're a top two team is Look, if you're
getting in a quarter final in a knockout situation and
you get yourself knocked out, well, you know you miss
the out all the finals money as well. We saw
what happened near the end last year or this year
(20:13):
when the Hurricanes had their game against the Chiefs. Should
have been a sellout, wasn't Everyone is holding on to
their money for the next game. When the Hurricanes were
in the final and I never got there.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Well that's a lesson, isn't it. For the crowds. Yeah,
don't predict the future because you don't know what might happen.
True to me, it looks it's a sixteen playoff format,
so I think people have got skin in the game
late if they make it. People are saying, hey, it
should just be a semi final on that set, But
I think again what I'm saying they need people to
be interested in the competition itself for as long as
(20:46):
they possibly can, and if it becomes top four straight away,
suddenly it's like, well, people fall out of the back.
So they've got to keep interest. But they can't make
it so ridiculous that a team from the back of no,
we can still qualify with a round to go, because
that's what people combined about last year, right.
Speaker 10 (21:04):
True, true, But it'd be good for the top two
teams to get a bit of a benefit from winning,
you know, one of the top two spots.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
But they get home advantage. I mean that's a benefit,
isn't it. I mean, you know, what do you want
to do? Serve it up to my plate. Come on, Peter,
make them work.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
For it right?
Speaker 10 (21:19):
Oh you know we were we beat it it.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Oh that's good man, thanks very much for ringing. Anyone
else's got an opinion it by all means, let me
know eight hundred eighty ten eighty past the seven it is.
I'd love to hear from you. I'm going to textas
his four teams in the finals end of body story.
Fresh heads and money. We'll get this. They've got to
generate income somehow. No one's got any We're all skinned.
(21:44):
What happened to that lake of silver that was swimming in?
Do that get drained or something? Now Australia didn't even
get Look, there's a there's a couple of really good
things about this format. I've mentioned the carpel, but I
tell you one for me that really makes me smile.
No Super Round in Melbourne, that's so good. It was
(22:07):
such a shambles that was didn't work at all. That
as much traction as front tires on my car, and
tires are expensive. It slid around the neighborhood. I think
until someone tells me no. When I get a warrant
it's it. Give us your thoughts. Eight one hundred eighty
(22:28):
ten eighties it worked for you. This is about the fans.
This is what it's supposed to be. You look at
that format and go, you know what I'm buying into this?
Or you look at that format and go od cares.
I hope you don't. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty
lines are open. Oh oh Southend have drawn level. It's
(22:48):
now seventeen apiece worth fifteen to go in the first half,
kid amongst she voting for Trump?
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Sorry, no, the other one.
Speaker 9 (23:22):
Harris said, she's voting for Harris.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Harris has it's only the Taylor swifty that's decided to
run with Harris, right, yeah, because they going to have
any bearing, do you think ants?
Speaker 9 (23:35):
It used to Celebrity endorsements were a big thing back
in two thousand and eight, but not so much anymore,
not anymore? Ate, Good, Nice to know.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
It's about the length and breath of my political knowledge
over in America. Except I'd rather watch the Contender series
than Trump and Harris, which I did. I found it
so much more engaging, it wasn't confusing, and.
Speaker 9 (23:55):
It much more decisive.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Result in that one absolutely only lasted by eight minutes
or something made it even better. Let's rip into more
talk around this Super Rugby rejig, if you will. The
changes are on the way for Super Rugby Pacific. It's
a sixteen playoff format, more afternoon games and additional round
(24:17):
a start a week earlier on Valentine's Day. Ah, so weekoday, Chris,
how are you?
Speaker 8 (24:25):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (24:25):
Well, thanks for the call. So what I would have
if I was in charge, I would have after the
round robin given teams more than two a week off
and let team three play six four versus five beat
each other up and had to go back to those
two top teams who hunt those positions, and they were fresher.
(24:48):
So it's so it's a bit more of a a
fear of reflection of how the season has gone down.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
We've talked about this previously, Chris. I think that the
key thing here is what a Super Rugby Pacific trying
to do. They're trying to create revenue, you aren't They.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
Of course they have to.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
So if you have a week where you don't have
a couple of teams playing each other, they're just kind
of setting around doing whatever they're doing. That takes from
the bottom line of Super Rugby Pacific. They need as
much money as they can get, so they've got to say,
you guys are going to keep playing because we've got
best and interested in this. That that makes sense.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Yeah, yes, I completely understand that that angle, because just
there's no money, there's no game. But if it's just
a Auckland Blues and Wellington were one and two and
the Crusaders were six, I think we should have a
harder road to make the final because the season has
(25:52):
been played out. That dictates that they've got more rights
to be in the final. Not that it's an automatic right,
but like with the NRAL, if you wouldn't so that
if the Panthers beat the Roosters tonight, they have a
week off the Roosters tonight. Didn't mean to say I'm
Asters fan, so I've got to go.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
It's been five long, hard years against Penn, isn't it. Sorry, Chris,
I shouldn't rub it in. Thanks for colling Garry.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
Sorry, sorry, I can rub it in even worse. Nineteen
out of last twenty games the Rusters have played against
Melbourne and Penrith have been lost with those too. Top
those two teams at the top right now.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
You know, well, at least at least you're at the
Big Dance Nighter. The Warriors, they's still stuck back of
Mount Smart trying to wig out what even earth happened anyway,
back back to Super Rugby, back to the draw situation.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
Yeah, look, I'll be interested to see how it goes
for two, three, four seasons and the idea of going
to that similar style of the NRL and the AFL
playoff system works potentially not eighteens, but with six Let's
just see how it goes.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
With the nature of the former systems. In the NRL,
it was the Warriors that changed that thinking when they
busted the chops of the stormway back in the day,
wrecked it for everybody.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Yeah, they did.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
So they were sitting at sixth I believe that year
and they managed to seek into the final. So they
changed it to that, you know, that playoff system where
the top four get it a second crack at the cherry.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
There was no advantage for finishing at the top because
you could still get rolled by the apparently the worst
team in the finals. And that's the way that operated.
I think with this one though. These games are played
and there was still a lucky loser. So if you lose,
as long as you're the highest ranked, say if you're
the number one qualifier and you happen to get beaten
(27:57):
by lower one because you're the highest ranked loser, you
still get to go forward. So it's not all over.
There's still something there.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
Yeah, okay, so there is a similarity, really, isn't there
Actually thinking about it, They've.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Got an opportunity, haven't they. And that and the high
you qualify, the more likely is if you lose. Well, no,
if you do lose in the highest qualify, you can
still get through. It's not the end of the world.
So that game gives impetus to the concept of finish high,
get to the top, because I think you need to
(28:34):
give people reasons to finish at the top as if
you don't. So what's the point. I'll just muck around
and we come to the playoff time, right.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
Yeah, it'll be an interesting season next year, you know,
no Melbourne Rebels. I would have liked the idea of
bringing another team and yeah, maybe bringing the Haguaidas back,
or a team from Japan, or even having another Polynesian side.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Don't say another Australian team. Also, look, we've already got
my PACIFICA and you've got FEEG. Does a PACIFICA become
a someone team and a tongue in team makes up
that third team, so you've got full engage. I think
trying to bring not that I'm privy to any of
(29:22):
these conversations. That never let me into the boardroom except
to maybe clear the tables and poor water. But it's
true that. But I think if you bring the Hawais
back in again, or you bring a Japanese team back
in again, it's huge travel. You're taking away from the
local thrust of it. You're probably costing yourself more money
(29:44):
in your diluting the product.
Speaker 8 (29:46):
Again.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Look, I might be wrong, it might have to go
back to that. But if there's anything good about the
current system, it is local enough. It's around the Pacific, right.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
Yeah, that's fair play.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Well, thank you for your time, and thank you Chris
for your time. Always a pleasure. Eighteen minutes to eight.
Roman Travis takes over the controls from eight through till
at midnight on ne to pretend to Marcus Slush. Marcus
Slash Night's program, running four minutes toward the end of halftime.
Southend and Canterbury still in an arm wrestle seventeen place seventeen.
(30:27):
Currently Southland are lurking on the Canterbury try line, lurking
with intent to roll over and score. Now there's some stinky,
sweaty looking men there. I tell you I'd give you
a commentary on the last couple of minutes, but it's
beyond me. If you want that, just go to gold
Sport you find the commentary there of this fixture. Coming
(30:52):
up short in the program, we're going to be having
a chat with Kate Henwood, late developer. Kate him with
great story around how she eventually got to the black Ferns.
She was involved in the Buckingham rucas yesterday and of
course the most important thing the game against England. That's
(31:13):
Twickenham one thirty on Sunday Morning, Texas Large. This is
news Talk's ab It's seventeen to eight, honest.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
Last Carl and.
Speaker 8 (31:27):
I don't care if.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
Mondays Tuesday's great and well Satan Thursday.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I don't care about you Strive. I'm in love. So
now on News Talks AIRB Sports Talk by Kate inwardly
sad prop for the ferns who are taking on England
nearly ours of Sunday morning. Excuse me over at Twickenham, Kate,
Welcome to the program. Great to chat. I suppose first
(31:56):
up we must address the ruckus at Buckingham Palace. Talk
us through that and the experience with the king.
Speaker 8 (32:06):
Yeah, a rackers is a good word for it. I yeah,
it probably started off all serious, but as the girls
got talking, it just kind of, like you said, our
personalities came out and it turned into a black ferns party.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
The reaction has been astonishing, hasn't it. It's gone global,
it'd say viral, and I think the big response out
of this a lot of people saying, Wow, King Charles
is actually human, his reaction, his response probably the best
bit of pr to ever come out of Buckingham, Pallas.
But if you on the ground, what's the reaction like
being over there? Cake?
Speaker 8 (32:48):
No, I think everything's been pretty positive. But like you
touched on, even when we were there that the King
towards us, we realized pretty quickly he was pretty human.
I guess it was the word you use. He I
guess he's the way he talked and carried on. We
sort of I guess got the feeling that, you know
(33:09):
that Asha could ask.
Speaker 6 (33:11):
For a hug.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
What about the build up? How planned was this, this
group hug with its royal highness.
Speaker 8 (33:20):
Well, we obviously got welcomed in. It was pretty surreal
driving through the gate. I guess, you know, people lined
up outside, we sort of realized, I guess if we
hadn't already, how special it.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Was to be invited in there.
Speaker 8 (33:37):
So that was the start of it.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
And then I guess driving in and looking around it
sorr driving in, Yeah, it.
Speaker 8 (33:52):
All started kind of feeling a bit surreal, really, and
then we got in about five minutes before the King
came in, we were giving having lessons on how to curtsy.
We all felt pretty relaxed up until that point. And
(34:12):
then yeah, I guess he came in and did the
realm with the girls who are in kind of small groups,
and as he went round he yeah, like I said,
the girls probably took his lead about how natural and
comfortable he was to where that That's why that led
to that.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
All right, enough about the royals, let's focus on the
point at hand, that, of course, is Massive Game one
thirty Zon time on that Sunday morning at tweaking them
up against the English Roses, and talking to you before
this interview, you said after that w XV final, you're
basically embarrassed. So I'm presuming you've been carrying that feeling
(34:52):
right the way through and you'll release that come tweaking
them on Sunday morning.
Speaker 8 (34:59):
Yes, definitely. I guess after the World Cup and all
of that, when the girls won won the World Cup,
to then roll into a game where we underperformed, it's
definitely been in the back of our minds ever since.
That's what we trained towards to this this next moment.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
What did you pull out of that game? What did
you determine after that loss? Have you managed to put
your finger on anything?
Speaker 8 (35:29):
To be fair, I think, like myself, like I had
never obviously played against them before, and a lot of
the girls were new and we had new coaches as
well and that, and so a lot of those girls,
you know, it wasn't the whole World Cup team that
played against and so for some of us that was
the first time experience playing it, you know, at that level.
(35:52):
And I think, yeah, just with the changes of where
we're heading to, we probably were just on the start
of our journey, you know, the re regeneration for the
next World Cup. So it was kind of a whole
lot of changes like that. Given gals a go early on,
that probably lead to.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
That hugely valuable experience for everyone concerned, the younger ones
and people like yourself younger to the national side. But
you started your career with the Ferns slightly later on
the piece. So out of that game for yourself, Kate,
hem would what particularly did you pick up?
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (36:30):
I think for me probably was just the first look
at well, this is this is where it's at, do
you know what I mean? Like, this is the level
we need to be. I'd obviously debuted a few games
before that against teams that we're obviously not as tough
as England was, so then year playing that I was
just realized, oh, yes, I've got lots of work to do.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Yeah, especially up against the key strength of England, which
is their pack and up there on the front row
that's where the dark arts are practiced and and that's
where you are. Is it too much to suggest that
that defeat and your experience, Kate, was a bit of
a slap in the face.
Speaker 8 (37:11):
Yes, definitely, it was definitely a wake up call for Yeah,
I guess myself being quite new, and probably some of
the other girls who hadn't, like I said, hadn't been
there before, probably got a slap in the face of well,
you know, England's moved on from the World Cup and
we you know, we obviously haven't.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
It's quite a tough thing to say for yourself and
your team, Kate, A difficult thing to admit.
Speaker 8 (37:39):
Yeah, I think it's probably at the time, Like I said, personally,
at the time, I wouldn't have thought that, But being there,
you know, personally, I realized, oh, yeah, I've got heaps
that work to do for this, you know, to get
up to this level.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
As you carry on developing, Kate, where do you think
your biggest work on area is? Where do you think
you've got the most room to develop?
Speaker 8 (38:04):
I think probably just yeah, probably just experience in those
high pressure situations. Have you never probably experienced that before?
Speaker 5 (38:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (38:20):
Probably probably just the experience of it. I would say,
it's a long.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Way from a portoquy, isn't it? All the way to
twiking them? And there's a potential this could be the
biggest crowd for a game of rugby between women's teams.
It's that's ever occurred. Do you spend much time talking
about that or or thinking about that with the other
other athletes?
Speaker 8 (38:43):
Yes and no. I guess we prepare really well for
that sort of stuff. But I think you know, at
the end of the day, to be honest, you just
kind of blanket all out when you're on the field anyway.
You can't.
Speaker 6 (38:53):
You know, you can't.
Speaker 8 (38:54):
You're you're in the zone, you don't. You don't. I
guess notice any of that around you.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Well, I know, eighty thousand plus people, we can hardly
not notice that.
Speaker 8 (39:05):
Kate, Yeah, I think. I mean, obviously I haven't been there,
so I don't know, But I guess there will be
parts like a national anthem, that sort of stuff.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
Doing the hack.
Speaker 8 (39:14):
I guess where you probably feel this is. You know,
the moment will probably get to yeah, you know this
is crazy, But once once the whistle goes in here
into the game, that that all fades out.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Forget the refs call.
Speaker 6 (39:27):
You make a call on.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Sports Talk on your home of Sports.
Speaker 6 (39:33):
News Talk.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
One thirty on Sunday morning, English, Roses taking on the
QWY Black Ferns should be a great exchange vengeance on
the minds of the Black Ferns after they are embarrassed
in the w x V final last year. WXB one
series continues after England have been dismantled, he said, hoping
(40:01):
they dare away to Canada and they play the w
XV one. They've got three games on the BA ounce
over there, one of them again being England. So a
big old Northern tour for the ferns. You've been listening
to Kate Henwood and her description of what happened at
the the Ruckus at the Palace. Does that sound better
(40:21):
the Buckingham Rucus or the Ruckus at the Palace or
maybe I should just not try and give it a
snappy name.
Speaker 9 (40:26):
I think Malice at the Palace is already a thing
from the NBA, so I think Buckingham Ruckus is like
a bit more unique.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Which, okay, we'll take that. Now we've gotta pull you
up on something. You can't have degrees of unique. You say,
a bit more unique, a bit more, a bit more unique. Well, yeah,
maybe they're unique unique.
Speaker 9 (40:47):
Okay, there are no degree quite right to pull up
on that. Hang on, let me just give myself another
one of these.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
On there a plenty of sport to watch this weekend,
Oh Halftime to by the Way, twenty four South, twenty
four seventeen, Canterbury over South and and the MPC. So
much good sport this weekend. Get amongst. If you're a
motorsport fan, Azerbaijan, Baku, the Grand Prix is on on Sunday.
On Monday morning this weekend is the date that Liam
(41:19):
Lawson will be or not will be. Does that makes sense?
He may get a drive in Formula One. I believe
that a contract says if by mid September they haven't
given him a drive with either Red Bull or Vcar
Racing the junior team, he's allowed to go away and
(41:39):
negotiate with someone else. And from what we can gather
from the noises around, he will be given a drive
and the feeder team and the junior team and he
will have a Formula one seat next year, and that
news should come out in the next I'd say twelve
(42:00):
to twenty four hours. I don't know this for sure,
just in case you're wondering, I've got no insideline, but
that's a myself. A number of the people involved in
motorsport a lot more close than Iyem who come to
that conclusion. Also, final round of any Car looks like
Alex Palo is going to win his third champion in
four years. Wow, that's something else sand down in Jiro's
(42:24):
for Supercars. Plenty of NPC, plenty of FPC, lots of
sanctioned violence coming up as well. Really looking forward to
watching Sean O'Malley with his great, big, crazy old arms
and uncanny ability to punch people from all sorts of
anger angles. It's coming up over the weekend too. There's
(42:46):
so much more, and you want to find out more
about what's happening slightly more locally or Sport Breakfast tomorrow morning,
seven to nine on News Talk ZB. I'll be there.
It's not six. Thanks for joining the program. Thanks to
all for a calling or texting or just listening and pleasure.
It has been mined cat to tomorrow morning here on
News Talk ZB.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
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