September 19, 2024 • 43 mins
ZB's own D'Arcy Waldegrave returns to recap a full day in the world of sport! Highlights for tonight include:
ZB rugby commentator Elliott Smith on the All Blacks side named for the first Bledisloe Cup clash.
Australian rugby expert Sean Maloney on Australian's mood ahead of the match.
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ASB Classic tournament director Nicolas Lamperin ahead of this year's event.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Waldegrave
from News Talk ZEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Kid, I mad, how are you? Nice to see you?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Plainly I can't but good to have you on board.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I'm darc.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
You want to go six minutes after seven. It's air
Thursday night, nineteenth of September twenty twenty four. Team naming Thursday,
No such thing. I just made it up, but it's true.
Two teams have been named. Well, there's like one coming
up at the unusual time and recurd at the sixth
on a Saturday afternoon, New Zealand time and a sun
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drenched Sydney.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
You would like to think.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
We look at both of those teams, the New Zealand team,
the All Blacks team named earlier this morning. We'll also
look at the Australian side too and what's changed there
under Joe Schmidt after the ritual humiliation at the hands
of the Argentines a couple of weeks ago. Our guests
to look at that. As our man on the spot
(01:27):
over in Australia, Elliott Smith, He's got the call on
Saturday afternoon at News Talk z B and the stand
sport rugby commentator for the tele show Maloney. We've got
both of them joining us there in the next a
few minutes until the end of the brog and we'll
talk to Nico Lampron Nicholas Lamperone. But he said, you know,
call me Nico, So I did. Nico Lamprin joins us
(01:49):
to talk about the snaring of Noma Osaka. Yeah, ranked
mid seventies but one of the go to players of
tennis in the world come back play in Auckland early
next year. What a snare. And we'll talk to Niko
about how that occurred and what else he's got hiding
up a sleeve.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Probably won't tell me, but I'll ask them anyway.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
At eight minutes after seven, let's get into this before
we get into that Sport today and in sports today,
all Blacks coach Scott Robertson got in the sea, Get
in the sea with a leg and a length of Polyeurathane,
Jerry John's pested raiser about rugby, not about wave priority
(02:29):
rookie when.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
You're getting Richie Beck and Jesus got global. So it
was entertaining. But yeah, the special country ill Black coach
a blaspheming on the radio.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
I don't know the White fans rode A Redemption starts
to night as they take on their Australian counterparts the
first of three T twenty matches preparing for the upcoming TEA.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Twenty World Cup.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Sophie Divine knows the importance of these fixtures.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
It helps playing that the best team in the world.
I think that's ideal preparation for us. So we want
to get that balance right between giving opportunities to play
is to put their name forward come a World Cup,
but also to make sure that we're really honing in
on this on the strategy and technics that we want
to use potentially moving forward.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Boxer Andre Mkalovich has dismissed his next opponent, Jana mc
and mccalooney, calling him a.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Man who's taking on a deity.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
The Human v.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Spirit clash is an IBF middleweight title fight said to
go on October fourth.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
He's not a guy, he's not special. He's just another
dude that apparently is some killer. But you know, it's
all about perspective.
Speaker 7 (03:36):
You know.
Speaker 6 (03:36):
He top ring behind him prompted him up with media
and stuff like that, so you can't look too deep
into it. When I stood in front of him, I
just saw a morsel Man and he's looking at a
god Wow.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
And Ryan Fox defend hes BMW Championship title this weekend,
sharing the t box with Rory Mankelry Justin Rose. It's
all part of a drill and it won't remove his
name from the trophy regardless of what happens.
Speaker 8 (03:58):
There's definitely a little bit of added pressure playing with
those guys the first couple of days, but it's all
kind of part of it. It's what you expect if
you're the defending champion and you can't take my name
off the tracery from last year. I certainly earned that
and I earned the right to play with.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Those guys this year too, right, you did, and that's
Scott today. I'll attempt to keep you up with what's
going on in the cricket as well. I'll give you
an update on that soon. They're back on the park
again after rain sent them off. It's been a bit
of a stop. Start morning's entertainment, right, Let's go to
Sydney now and we'll tear across the ditch. New South Wales.
(04:34):
Joining us is Elliott Smith. It's league rugby commentator and
he joins us now to look at the team and
look at the naming of the side through the mind
of Rasor Robertson Elliott.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Welcome, not too many surprises.
Speaker 9 (04:51):
Get it, Darcy? Yeah, I think you're right. It is
largely predictable. I suppose the biggest one of those changes
is Bote and Barra being restored to fallback a week
or two weeks on from moving to the bench behind
Will Jordan, Will Jordan moving back to the wing, and
then Cadom Clark's fit again. So that's the justification for
restoring the back three that started in Johannesburg when the
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attack did look a lot better. They scored four tries
of course on that afternoon despite losing, so the restored
that combination and move Bod and Barrett to fallback.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
So he's Joe out of the team or out of.
Speaker 9 (05:23):
The starting fifteen and Yojo back into the run on
side for this weekend. Obviously running football likely to be
the case in sunny conditions on a Sydney afternoon on Saturday,
but certainly the highest profile of the changes to the
All Blacks team elsewhere fearly predictable. Did you see Caddem
Clarke back from injury that Ethan de Grew back in
the mix as well, and Wallace a Tititi retaining his
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spot at blindside flanker after a pretty good run on debut.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
Has to be said in Cape Town. So he gets
the nod again.
Speaker 9 (05:53):
Is the All Blacks, you know, make some little tweaks,
but as you said, Darcy, you know relatively predictable for
this test here in Sydney.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Is this a move that suggests it's an anti move
for Will Jordan or more of a positive move for
Bowden Barrett, if that makes sense.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
I agree.
Speaker 9 (06:09):
I think you look at that and I think it's
probably an anti move fit for Will Jordan around the
combination that they just want to get that back three clicking,
and it feels like it hasn't really clicked the season.
They've gone with a number of different combinations throughout the
season around who started on what wing and who started
at fullback. You know, Petter Fetter started the year out
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and then Boden Barrett was coming off the bench to
replace him at full back, and then Boden Barrett was
starting at fullback. Well Jordan there on the wings with
Mark Khala and sevu Rees and Will Jordan's back in
the mix there, so I think it speaks to perhaps
just a lack of certainty around their best combination and
by moving it back this week, they feel that this
is probably the best combination at the moment. I know
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Will Jordan, you know, very much keen to play more fullback,
but it's back in the right pieces into place, and
I think we saw in Cape Town that you know,
maybe Mark Khala just a little bit out of sorts
at the moment.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Sevu Reese probably likewise.
Speaker 9 (07:05):
So that kind of means that you've got to play
the hot hands, and that's Boden Barrett, who's been pretty
good I think so far this season. Maybe an off
day in Johannesburg, but that's probably the best combination for
this point in time. But as I said that, I
think it is still a relatively live discussion around what
is the best makeup of the back three for this
All Blacks team.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Sam Kaine Guess an odd nineteen ninth Test match, so
it looks like he'll notch up the ton in Wellington.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Couldn't have him to a nicer Blowka.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
This is really good and he's not there out of
congratulations for your hard work.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
He's there because he's a.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Great player and he's providing plenty of what they want.
Speaker 10 (07:41):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 9 (07:42):
And it was interesting to hear Scott Robinson talking to
the media this morning sort of saying, well, how long
is the spawn song going to go on for? Because
they know he's leaving, but he's in such irrepressible form.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
At the moment that they can't keep him out.
Speaker 9 (07:54):
So I think we probably all thought that maybe his
lot might be just coming off the bench and adding
some experience in the closing stages of tests and you know,
notching up the hundred on the way and if that
was that, then that's a pretty good finish to his career.
But as it happens, he's usurped Old and Papoli out
of the starting team and he's made that seven jersey
back his own again and you know how many more
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tests are going to play well, as you said, one
hundred next week. But the kind of form that he's
in is just making him very very hard to leave
out of this All Blacks team, and that testament to
the you know, the kind of character that he is,
you know, it is twilight of his test career would
have been very very easy for him to sort of
go off into the sunset and chip away and make
some appearances off the bench, maybe get some of the
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starts against the lesser lights. But he's been very, very
impressive and has been one of the first names down
on the team sheet and reunite that combination with with
Ardie Sava Whilla Titi.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
They're on the blind as well.
Speaker 9 (08:48):
It's a formidable loose for Trio that the all blacks
are putting in there, even though you know one bloke's
about to depart the game from New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
And what the tit.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Alex Smith joins us a lot of applauded for what
he did. Now let's just be slightly critical. You need
to step back and look at where improvens need to
be made for Wallace because he were it's pretty flashy
in the loose.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
He looked good.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
He's up against an Australian team that down on their
luck to be pleasant. Where do you think he needs
to lift to selp I suppose see all that problematic
six position.
Speaker 9 (09:18):
Well, I think the miss tackles column is the one
that he needs to look at. So he missed three
in Cape Town and he just did a lot of
good stuff with the ball in hand, but he can't
afford to miss that many test tackles at this level
as a player, so that needs to be something. Those
spot tackles needs to be better because if you miss one,
then that puts the rest of the team under pressure,
puts the defensive line under pressure. So he's going to
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be better at that, but he will learn that. I
think he's a character that's willing to learn and develop
his game, as we've seen throw his meteoric rise from
Chiefs development right through to starting with the Chiefs number
eight jersey this season, so he's willing to put in
the work. He gets another opportunity on Saturday with Ethan
Blackhead are still troubled by the hamstring injury that kept
him out in Cape Town. It's another opportunity and I
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think you get that miss tackle column down. You know
there's always going to be miss tackles in a game
from any team, but I think if you can nullify
that a little bit, we know what he's capable of
with ball and handmades and great runs in Cape Town.
I think this Australian team and playing against the will
suit Wallas to tz you think about you know the
kind of loose forwards that have previously had success against
Australia in the past. You know a lot of those
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the hard running type of you know, loose forwards that
can carry hard and ben the defensive line, different kind
of style defensively Australia put out there rather than South Africa,
who are much more in your face and that rush defense.
Australia don't tend to do that as much. So it
gives players like Wallas to t t time with ball
in hands. It to really cause some havoc and I
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think that's what they want to see from an all
Black's perspective, comes Saturday afternoon.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Thanks for that, Elliott.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
I'm not quite sure what we'll learn out of this though,
if the Wallaby show up with all the intensity that
in the last twenty minutes up against Argentina. Let's go
to someone who knows a little bit more about Australian
rugby than I do. His name Sean Maloney. He's got
the call for Stan comes off the Wallabies. He joins
us now from over the ditch. Owan, welcome, great to
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have you on board again. Thanks for this, and I
suppose that your team's been named now be hoping for
a little more than what they served.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Up last week, well two weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Anyway, in the last twenty versus Argentina.
Speaker 10 (11:25):
It never happened. They came over in Santa Fe. Never
ever happens.
Speaker 11 (11:30):
So we come into this off the back of that
browsing last second victory against Argentina in gay one over there.
So we're in good form, We're ready to go for
the weekend and obviously a couple of changes have been
brought by coach Jo Schmidt and what.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Are those changes? Is there anything worth like looking at?
Are they major adjustments?
Speaker 12 (11:49):
Mine?
Speaker 11 (11:50):
The big the begin is seeing Fraser right in there
in the number seven jerseys.
Speaker 10 (11:57):
So that's a huge return for for Fraser.
Speaker 11 (12:00):
He's been massive for the Wallabies for a long period
of time now and we know we've seen through a
super Rabia that he can actually match it with the
best that you've got over on that side of the
Tasman as well.
Speaker 10 (12:11):
So he's a big in Jeremy Williams.
Speaker 11 (12:14):
I was surprised to see Jeremy Williams get the start
in the number five jersey instead of Luka and Salakai Lotto,
who's been a real enforcer this year for Joe Schmidt.
Rest of the back row make up fairly similar with
Bobby v at six, Wilson.
Speaker 10 (12:29):
Nick White's the other big one mate, Nick White going
in at nine.
Speaker 11 (12:32):
I thought we might have seen McDermott in the nine
this weekend, but it will be the veteran Nick White.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
And settling on that is Joe slowly working out Joe Smith.
That is about who actually represents the country best, and
his position is he's still very much a juggler, not
unlike Scott Robinson.
Speaker 11 (12:51):
Well, I mean there is a little bit of juggling
going on because Jake Gordon was the scrum half of
choice through the early part and was good too, a
couple of Man of Nats performances earlier this year, was
strong and getting that win against Argentina, so there was
a few of us sort of surprised, I think to see.
Speaker 10 (13:08):
Nick White in there in the number nine. So yeah,
to answer your question, there is a touch of juggling
around it.
Speaker 11 (13:14):
And then we've got those sorry twelve through fifteens pretty
much as expected. Hanna Pie's Sami returned, so he takes
that inside center spot from Hamis Stewart, then Marika, Tommy
Wright and Kellaway in the wing position as well.
Speaker 10 (13:30):
So it's it's just it's a solid enough team.
Speaker 11 (13:33):
It's it's a good team and they'll have the chance
in the sunshine on Saturday afternoon.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
And a reason to celebrate for a prop called Slipper.
He's overtaking the terrorizing four more years George Gregan as
the most play of all time.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
That's impressive.
Speaker 10 (13:50):
For it's huge. I mean he has put his body
through all sorts of hardships.
Speaker 11 (13:58):
I guess this is the best way of putting it
overcame some off field issues going back a few years,
made that jump from Queensland down to the Brumbies where
he sort of got a new shot on his career.
Speaker 10 (14:10):
And he's just huge, man.
Speaker 11 (14:12):
He's just unbelievable, much loved over here, very much loved
as captain on occasion and yeah, as you as you say,
one hundred and forty Test matches on the weekend, thank
you very much.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
It's extraordinary. So tell me Sean Maloney, what went wrong
in the game that didn't go ahead? Just what do
they need to Obviously the first half you got to
love that.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
The second half it seemed in the clowns. What happened
can they change this around us narrative?
Speaker 10 (14:41):
God? I hope so. I Oh, so we caught I
call that game.
Speaker 11 (14:47):
I had Morgan Nui and Michael Hoop alongside in the
commentary box over here, and so they get that they're
up twenty to three and they were playing some of
their best attacking rugby that we've seen in ages. There
was so much cohesion with what they were doing. The
passing and skills were up much better than what they
had been even earlier this year. They look terrific. And
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then and then they stuffed up a restart, and they
stuffed up another restart, and then that second half was
just an absolute horror show like Argentina court fire.
Speaker 10 (15:16):
There's no doubt about that. But our guys certainly made
it very easy for them.
Speaker 11 (15:21):
I still can't believe they've put four tries in eight
minutes of the back end of the game.
Speaker 10 (15:25):
How do you do that?
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Oh, with ease up against your guys?
Speaker 10 (15:30):
Sorry, isn't it? That would be?
Speaker 11 (15:35):
That would be It'll be a long way back for
all of this if that's what happens on Saturday. But
I don't know that it's going to be that comfortable
for the All Blacks I don't. I don't necessarily know
that our guys can can win, but I just don't
know that it'll be that comfortable for the men in
black on the.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Hard fast dick in the sunshine. Who does that favor
do you think?
Speaker 11 (15:58):
Probably your blakes, i'd suggest going off that sunshine thirty
degree day over in Santa Fe a couple of weeks back.
Probably your fan. But I mean, we can obviously still score.
I think we've picked the team that can put quite
a few points on.
Speaker 10 (16:14):
The board as well.
Speaker 11 (16:14):
There's some real strike power there and if they click,
as we all hope that they do, they can I'm
anticipating in a high scorer.
Speaker 10 (16:23):
But I don't know if we'll be able to finish
with enough at the end of the eighty to be
in front.
Speaker 7 (16:28):
Hear it from the biggest.
Speaker 10 (16:29):
Names and sports and men.
Speaker 13 (16:31):
Have your say on.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Sports Talk more on your home of sports news Talks.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
It'd be it's twenty two minutes after seven. Shall Maloney
joining us there from stan at sport or So Channel
nine coverage, which is why the game has been played
so early, because they don't want to get in the
way of the NRL Final Series, which is it's had
to say, a lot more popular than a Bledisloe Cup match,
although the results of recent times you can absolutely understand that.
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Before that, our man on the spot, Elliott Smith who
brings you the broadcast the game, and Frey called it
a six on Saturday afternoon at News Talk A z B.
Both men with their ideas around the strengths and the
weaknesses of these two teams. So question to you, this
is a this is a pragmatic selection from Scott Robinson.
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I'm not quite sure if it's bordering on frightened or respectful.
I don't know if you can help me out with
this one. He's named a team where there's not a
great deal of surprises. He's named a team where he's
adjusted the back three because Caleb Clark has came back
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a plainly Will Jordan didn't have too much of an
effect at the back against South Africa, but nobody would
have done He did what he did. He maintained his position,
he stayed there, protected the back. So and then you
look at the attacking prowess of all of them when
they're in that selection. I suppose that makes sense.
Speaker 11 (18:04):
It is.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
It's a fairly settled kind of sight.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
It's a side that I don't go, wow, look at that,
We're going to roll over top of them.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
And it's probably because I've.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Been damaged after what happened up against South Africa. But
in your mind looking at this, is this a sensible
progression of a coach slowly learning the strengths and weaknesses
of his players. And I think he's shown that right
from the get go. He's not try to start with
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a bang. He's not trying to blow the barn doors
off immediately. His first selection way back when against the
English was very standard. I don't think he's deviated much
from that. There's been a couple of tweaks with plus
coming in. The most understandable one is called looks like
he's taken that second pace because once, of course cam
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Royguard comes back, we need a second.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Not a first.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
So for you, is this just a sensible decision. I
don't know what your expectations are around how big the
victory should or shouldn't be. I think the only expectation
I've got out of all of this, I want to
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see them score points in the last twenty minutes. Is
that too much to ask? And this the team to
do it because they look shell shocked and it should
be a team they should run over. But in saying
that they can't play in the last twenty minutes, neither
can we. Maybe they null off each each other in
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that space each other, excuse me, in that space. I
want to see them score in the last twenty minutes.
I don't want to see them take their foot off
the pedal. I want to see them show confidence in
their own ability, to show what the All Blacks used
to show, which was a clinical and cut throat method
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around winning games of football.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
And we haven't seen that. So Rays has been pretty sensible,
pretty pragmatic, not too many big swings, trying to build
some sense of rhythm and understanding within his side from
what the way he wants to play the game.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
So we'll accept that. Right, we need to see something
happen in the last twenty minutes. Don't think I can
put up with this anymore?
Speaker 2 (20:32):
What about yourself? I eight hundred.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Eighty ten eighty don't care what they win by I'm
presuming they're going to win. I just want to see
something happen in the last twenty minutes. I want to
see this team click after the grind of the first
sixty I eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Based on what
you've seen in this team, what would you like to see?
What does this suggest to you?
Speaker 2 (20:56):
This team?
Speaker 3 (20:57):
To me, it suggests safety, but I want to see
that continuity repaid with scoring in the last twenty twenty
seven after Sports Talk here and News Talks EB, it's
a Thursday nineteenth to September twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Four, and he said in twenty four out last.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
After fives and two deliveries, they dismissed shred anchor fairly sharpestly.
When play started again this morning, well I Rourke picked
himself up. Another couple of polls, five for fifty five,
another five wicket bag. This guy is something else And
this is NEWSTALK'SB.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Spelling why and and home Ma drink sweet throws.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
The right call is your call on eight hundred and
eighty eighty Sports Talk call on your home of Sports
News Talk zb.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
AW about seven it is.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Awful annunciation half past half past?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
How do you spell anyway? H past up? Ass it's
half past seven?
Speaker 3 (22:10):
New Talks A B one ten eighty talking expectations around
the All Blacks with the team that has been named
Pragmatic dull.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Safe.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I'm not quite sure what you'd label that team. Is
it a man in scott Raiser Roberton that's a little
afraid to make wamping changes or he understands that process
is important and over time he can make those changes,
but he's got to build that base. Is it even
respectful of what the Australians bring?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Is it getting beaten by them? Whoo good a rob?
Speaker 5 (22:43):
How are you?
Speaker 14 (22:44):
Yes? Hi, Darcea. Just listen listening to your comments here.
And I've for a long time been an avid sports anatic.
I watch alls types of sports and but you know,
growing up in New Zealand, rugby's our net, well supposedly national. Yeah,
and over over time I think it's getting swamped by
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rugby league. To tell you the truth, I think I
think personally Raisers playing it safe. I've been listening to
the comments on breakdown and and things like that over
the past few weeks and I just think he needs
to take the bull by the horns. And you know,
you look at Rico, he's an X winger. Wait, why
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didn't he take the ball by the horns and just
mix it up a bit, you know, and put them
back on the wing.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Well they did didn't work. Yeah, but it didn't work.
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Maybe he's a little tensative and people are expecting a
little more as far as wholesale changes. But he I
think he's playing a safe game and a built, slow
building game. I don't think he's going to get judged
on the results of this year. He's probably got a
year in lou and Foster. Fans are going, well, what
happened to that will the end?
Speaker 14 (23:58):
But he hasn't. He hasn't solidified. He hasn't really solidified
a back three. So so why don't you mix it
up a bit, you know, instead of playing it safe.
I know, I know he's a man of processes and stuff.
But if you're looking at that team, you've got Damien McKenzie,
who I think he should have been benched and put Bowden.
(24:20):
Try Boden, Just try something different, you know, try Boden
at ten and bring Anton and Brown back into center,
you know, just just.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Instead of But if you make it's like in science.
I remember very little from science because it wasn't interested.
It's got so when you blue things up, but there's
always that control element. If you make several changes in
an experiment. You're never going to understand what made the
big difference because there's no control. You need to keep
something the same and it just as you go along.
Speaker 14 (24:50):
And yeah, but I think, yeah, yeah, I think. But
I think people want something different Lussie. You know, they
just because people will respect him if he tries things
and it doesn't work well, I think they.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Just want victories. I don't I don't know about different.
I think the All Blacks, it's just different.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
They just want to win. If they don't win, they're like,
what are you doing?
Speaker 10 (25:08):
Mate?
Speaker 14 (25:10):
Yeah, but you look at you look at their squad,
and you've got you've got people who are versatile. You know,
you've got players who can play in different positions. So
why don't you use that instead of keeping them in
the same position. Why don't you You know what I mean,
You've got players that can play different positions like Bowden.
You know, we know what class he is, you know.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
I just think I'm still not sure though, Rob, And
thanks so much for your call. I had an eighty
ten eight if you like to join in, like Rob,
that if some of the slight tweeks he's made have
necessarily been overly successful and he's comfortable in that. Maybe
he's like, Wow, I've tried a couple hasn't quite worked
after what happened in South Africa. Granted it was only
(25:58):
a tiny amount. They got rolled over in the end
by South Africans, but not by much, and playing them
at home World Champions it's difficult. So it's not like
they sealed the bed sheets completely. Right, It's still okay,
you're coming back here. You've got an Australian team that
sometimes looks okay and other times looks disastrous. He's thinking,
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I can't risk a Blurthersow Cup game against these blokes.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
I really can't.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
I've only won two of my last five games, same
as Assie. Incidentally, two of my last five games. I
need to really put a line in the sand, and
I'm not gonna mess with too much. In fact, I'm
going to go back to what worked now. Caleb Clark's
back will readjust that back three that should work hasn't
messed round much with the rest of it. Oh, someone's
(26:47):
text about Patrick Tweet Pilotto or Paddy two ups as
I like to call him.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
He's over there, but.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
He's not fully ready to go. Okay, let's get to
the phones. Now I get a JF.
Speaker 14 (26:56):
How are you.
Speaker 12 (26:57):
I'm very good, thank you. I've been listening to all
the comments about the All Blacks ah and the social
is I been put in.
Speaker 15 (27:08):
Uh.
Speaker 12 (27:08):
I was very surprised that Bowden Barrett was put in
his fallback because he's very fast and very witty and
between him and McKenzie they were a great combination. But
then again, the All Black coach, it's entirely up to him.
What I did notice in the South, and I'm not
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going to be critical about this, I noticed in the
second half of the South African Games the All Blacks
sort of lost the plot of it.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
How did that manifest itself?
Speaker 2 (27:46):
That the plotlessness?
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Jeff?
Speaker 3 (27:47):
What what did you see?
Speaker 12 (27:51):
I saw? I saw that South Africa sort of came
came through, were running all over the All Blacks. In
the end, they were scoring and they were strong.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I would say, inability to finish something they started.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
For the All Blacks. That is plotless because the only
that doesn't.
Speaker 12 (28:09):
Happen the All Blacks didn't keep up consistency in the
last twenty minutes past end to twenty minutes, and if
they had of they could have won the game. But
you know we can all be critical, but I will
always support the All Blacks no matter what. And I
(28:31):
think the All Blacks need New zell On people to
be behind them.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Well, I think we all are, Jeff, I don't know
if there's not a completely negative. It must have put
the slipper and we all want them to win. But
with that passion and that connection, we also wanted about
to have our comments heard.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Say hey, I don't like this. They're my team, and
I'm going to tell you what I don't like. Like
plotless Jeff. Daniel, Okay, Berdie, I like, be good buddy,
It's good Daniel. What's on your mind?
Speaker 15 (28:59):
Hey, yeah, just want to.
Speaker 13 (29:01):
Get my two cents in about the old All Blacks.
I think that Burgo's problem matter is international experience.
Speaker 12 (29:09):
Is the boys that.
Speaker 13 (29:10):
We've got in there at the moment. It's not that
they're bad players and they don't know what they're doing.
They're great super rugby players like Damien Cindy. Great team,
but international team.
Speaker 16 (29:23):
Not yet.
Speaker 13 (29:23):
I don't think, you know. And that's what Seth Africa
showed us is I think what's our team at the
moment is a lot of our boys don't have international experience.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
They've had it, but not at a great level. I
think calling Damien McKenzie great is extremely generous.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Daniel, Yeah, hey.
Speaker 15 (29:45):
I'm to be honest, mate, I've never actually liked him,
but he's growing on me. He's he's pushed and he's tried,
and he does he does try and make stuff out there.
Speaker 13 (29:56):
But he's still no DC or he's still.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
They're not all Richie Muwanga, and that's they're hard shoes
to slip into and it's a very different style and
when you're trying to re build a style. But you
talk about lack of international experience, maybe in that position
and maybe when it comes to the half back situation,
because what Cortes has only got a handful of tests
under his belt.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
But across the rest of the team, there's some very
experienced players in there.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
He's not He's only had what three tests, so he's
not two who's on the way up to thirty odd?
Barrett's seventy odd, A Lomax coming up forty, Cody Taylor
ninety odd.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
They didn't come down to the last shower, did they?
Speaker 12 (30:39):
No?
Speaker 13 (30:40):
Well, Taylor, look how good he was and both of
those games as soon as.
Speaker 15 (30:45):
He came off on those in both of those South
Africa games.
Speaker 13 (30:49):
Sorry, excuse me. As soon as Taylor came off that
it just seemed like we lost it, that we started
losing the lineouts.
Speaker 10 (30:58):
Just he.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Was monster.
Speaker 13 (31:02):
It was just And that's the other thing is I
don't think we have enough money grew in the team.
You know, people like Bradie Rutellic and stuff that used
to be there, big, huge, scary guys.
Speaker 10 (31:13):
You know we've got what.
Speaker 13 (31:15):
Ardi in there and you've got uh yeah, once an.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
There's a fine line between fine line between mongrel and
red cards. But Daniel, I love your contribution. Thanks so
March New Zealand thirty two without lost. Like from twenty one,
Conway on team at Trails Sri Lanka by two hundred
and seventy runs. This is the first session, day two,
the first tis in Sri Lanka and New Zealand. Or
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of your course coming up next oh eight hundred eighty
teen eighty There.
Speaker 17 (31:45):
Is a monks myself mister mister Ammon has.
Speaker 16 (31:51):
In our car.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Seven forty three sports talk aer and news talks there
B thirty eight for none. We've done New Zealand. If
you want to hear Nicholas O. Lampron, you're going to
have to go online. Used obviously be dot co dot
in z because we've got plenty of all black calls
and he is going to run with it because we
love the all blacks.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Hello Tom?
Speaker 18 (32:16):
Could he be Gussie?
Speaker 16 (32:17):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I'm very happy? What can you say? What can you
bring to the program?
Speaker 18 (32:22):
On talk between checks? But I have a theory behind
Robinson playing Kensy at team. But with regards to the
last week's games, first, I wasn't to impressed with the
friends for five minutes of the game because all the
stuff I thought wasn't being picked up.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
I think that's just a.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Given now, isn't it an international rugby that the guy
in the middle with a whistle, it's so well, you
can't do this. We don't know and it's hard to
keep him out of the narrative. But you've got to
try to not give him reasons to make a mess
of things, right, But it's beyond everyone's control.
Speaker 18 (32:57):
Yeah, I did think the the English referees were quite
disappointed in in the South African series. But going back
to my point with McKenzie, the reason why I believe
raising is playing McKenzie at him and continues to play
into McKinsey because it leaves him to argument to a
battle that he's already lost. And the battle cryers as
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sounding out even this week. So Boden pay them fifteen.
Previous coaches and good, very good coaches are the predecessor,
and even the one before that greater Boden more of
fifteen than a ten. So that's been tried and proven
by previous all back coaches. So we're not going to
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go back there again.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
But Tom in that situation, just going me to sit
in that situation, they had a guy called Richie Mourner
who played fantastic, so it forced Bode. Now now it's
different because Damien McKenzie ain't no Richie Moreer.
Speaker 18 (33:55):
Is he correct? And this is what plays into I
think Raises strategy. Here is in his first year of
his tenure in New jer Rugby, when not going to
get rid of Raising, specially especially after the last two
or three years with jury and enduring and what we're
put up with Foster and Razor and how that unraveled
(34:16):
and how it all came about. So he's got he's
got his full reign, so he's i think Razing is
actually testing boundaries with New Zealand rugby and their stance
on picking Dutch players like Malanga on overseas contracts. We're
seeing us South Africa and do it and it's proven
successfully for them too. Successful work.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Cut Tom the thing here and thanks for your time.
Going to move on to the other calls.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
We actually had Chris Linda on the show last night
talking about that and said, we're a ready comfortable with
where we stand on sabbaticals and on where the people
should be made available for the team. And they're happy
with where they're They're not changing anything. They've made a
few adjustments, but they're.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Don't to make anymore.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
But things change, Things change, don't they pall.
Speaker 7 (35:05):
He is hoping. Look, I hope, Darcy. But by the way,
nice to talk to you again.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Thanks.
Speaker 7 (35:12):
I hope we're not seeing the Foster effect here. And
I use that term fairly tightly because the reason our
team and our All Blacks are going the way that
they are is because of the Foster effect. Because he
didn't blood new players knowing that they were going to leave.
He was trying to hold his job right. So I
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look at this team and our eight isn't the best
eight in the world. He's actually on the side. I
think everyone knows that his size is not big enough.
And if we were going to move towards the World Cup,
we've got to start taking risks. Who cares if we lose.
(35:56):
Let's start testing players so much.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Where Ardie Savia goes to open side, sam Kin's good night,
notice anyway seem going to be around and then you
look to put a big body in the boot like
Saititi who is going to be playing grindside, and you
think that's the way forward, and he's slowly pushing into that,
but not on a hurry to do it.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
This is razor.
Speaker 7 (36:21):
Yeah, but I think if you're going to start, as
I say, to hold players back, it's not good for anyone.
Doesn't do anyone any good. They're not learning anything. Play
them in a position and say I'm sticking with you
like McKenzie. He's sticking with McKenzie at a ten. And
Damien has not been playing well and he hasn't got
(36:44):
the size, he hasn't got the kicking game, so what's
he doing?
Speaker 3 (36:49):
He doesn't film me with confidence either, And I want
to dismiss the guy because I'm sure he's lovely, but
he doesn't feel a lovely.
Speaker 7 (36:55):
Fella listen to them. Yeah, I agree, but that's not
saying I see, I'd be putting Plumber there because he's
in the squad. Give him a run, give them a
few runs.
Speaker 6 (37:08):
Well.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I wonder, though, Paul, how much of this is to
do with it.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
I mentioned the word frightened before that the gravity of
these two tests coming out. If they lose one of these,
that whoa, that's serious and maybe there's.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
A wee bit of like, oh the tribidation.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
I'm better just run with the same kind of team
and slowly try and build because I've got plenty of time.
Speaker 7 (37:31):
Yeah, but if you're a your black squad, that means
you are the best players. This country's gone, So why
wouldn't you. I don't care if it wouldn't the bleederslow. No,
I don't believe that any fan actually does. We've had
it for twenty something years. Let's start moving towards the
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World Cup like other countries do, and they move by
by blooding players and putting them in position. We've got
a third en that can't distribute. What's that? There's not
annoying at all well, that's how I feel anyway, and.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Yeah, thanks so much for your call.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Always appreciate one hundred and eighty ten eighty ross high.
Speaker 17 (38:16):
Yeah, good a Doncy. I just think now you all
black side. There is followed of issues to do with
selection and the men before just touched on Harry Plumber
and I think I would have Hoskin to two to
at number eight. Bring so we're in at seven and
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then Sam came as a run on later on twenty
minutes to go, and two great players to have at
number seven.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
It's difficult because of course, isn't there.
Speaker 17 (38:47):
No, they're quite and I think that it comes back
down to a selection with Sam as Harry Tummer. I mean,
he kecked what seven goals out of seven on that
super final. He's the best number ten in the country.
Yet they went with McKenzie who was looked quite ordinary
against against Pum because he had this all round game
which is you know what you want, you know in
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this day and age, and he's growth and I really
honestly think that he wasn't there great tour or three
years ago, but he stepped up big time and you're
showing that and I think that could be you know
Leon McDonald's behind that probably would as well.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Yeah, I mean, we'll wonder how much they had interrupted
the train of thought and what they're actually trying to
achieve when he up stick.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
And left, and what interference or interruption ahead on the team.
Speaker 17 (39:36):
And you've got the players like Billy Proctor, who I
would have played great away that was said to you,
any right, you can come on in the last twenty
minutes of the game. You've got a better pressure off
your shoulders. We'll give you a rest. Proved to us,
how could you are with twenty to go against South
Africa and South Africa Billy propor can do the same
by you know, run on, you proved to us how
good you are and so on and so on, you know.
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And I just don't understand why you would still play
t J Pire and Aaron players like that. You've got
these younger players them and keep the experience going, get them.
It's all about confidence and now come on, let's go,
let's get into it.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
But it's such a big it's.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Such a big culture man, Ross that it's what he
brings to these sides. As everyone tells you, he's not
an exs AND's coach. He's talking to the culture the
team and getting plays to play for you, and you
do wonder he's been a bit safe.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
See that in the very first team he announced it's
a bit safe. Suse.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
I doesn't want to chuck the baby over the bath water.
Speaker 10 (40:33):
You know.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Your course coming up next there, it's eight minutes away
from eight ten eighty. This is news Talks it.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
It's five to eight, Graham. The last word is yours.
Speaker 15 (40:53):
Take it away, my friend, right, I'll make it breakfast today.
Speaker 16 (40:57):
When I saw the table, I thought they dropped these
as blackhead as I was pretty.
Speaker 15 (41:00):
Upset, but I see that I knew that was coming.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Graham. You're super happy.
Speaker 16 (41:04):
But I just want to say there's a few people
that listened us the heavy to night. I'm going to
be really but I found out if he did have
a NIGG also, they left him out, so I take
my criticism. Yeah, I was a bit upset, but I
just want to agree with one other call about the
future briefing. I think I think the best example of
the had apart from center where they keep you on
he there is the half back. And I think you're
(41:26):
right about Roy Guard. He's coming back. But I think
Noah hosm should definitely he's one example of some young
player that Turely would come off the bench in this
game with courtiers starting, and that that's one example. But
that's just the way that they've picked the teams since
the first English.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Chest That can just have been outrageous.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
As he's been reasonably safe with some little twigs from
time to time, but he's been very calm.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
The phrase of that saying something individual.
Speaker 16 (41:56):
Yeah, yeah, he's not normally calm, but well he's lot
calming on people think, but he hasn't got that image.
But yeah, no, that's what they've done, and that's what
they've gone with and Tea goes on the bench and
likewise that the fallback situation that played topsy two of
you but yees will Jordan's and it was a hard
test for them for get them too on a couple
(42:18):
of weeks back. But that's the call that made And well.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
Now what they're doing, Graham is Caleb claps come back
and they go, right, how can we fit them in?
Speaker 2 (42:25):
And that's all it is. So I don't think it's
really a case of bad Bill Jordan. You couldn't do
anything any time or space.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
And if you ran and tried to take all those
high balls because the two little followers couldn't do it,
the South Africans will have just bowled straight through the
whole score try.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
So he did what he's supposed to do.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Thank you Graham, Thanks to everybody for ringing in, Thanks
for your Texas So I couldn't read through a lot
of defensive d MAC, a lot of.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Attack of d MAC, A bit of attack on me,
no defense for me whatsoever. But that's okay.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
I love it when you call one hundred and eighty
ten eighty text nineteen nine two that is z b
Z to B forty eight for none are New Zealand
leth th and twenty nine Conway thirteen. That's it for me,
Andy Duff, thanks for producing the program.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
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Kid, I mad, how are you? Nice to see you?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Plainly I can't but good to have you on board.
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I'm darc.
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You want to go six minutes after seven. It's air
Thursday night, nineteenth of September twenty twenty four. Team naming Thursday,
No such thing. I just made it up, but it's true.
Two teams have been named. Well, there's like one coming
up at the unusual time and recurd at the sixth
on a Saturday afternoon, New Zealand time and a sun
(01:02):
drenched Sydney.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
You would like to think.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
We look at both of those teams, the New Zealand team,
the All Blacks team named earlier this morning. We'll also
look at the Australian side too and what's changed there
under Joe Schmidt after the ritual humiliation at the hands
of the Argentines a couple of weeks ago. Our guests
to look at that. As our man on the spot
(01:27):
over in Australia, Elliott Smith, He's got the call on
Saturday afternoon at News Talk z B and the stand
sport rugby commentator for the tele show Maloney. We've got
both of them joining us there in the next a
few minutes until the end of the brog and we'll
talk to Nico Lampron Nicholas Lamperone. But he said, you know,
call me Nico, So I did. Nico Lamprin joins us
(01:49):
to talk about the snaring of Noma Osaka. Yeah, ranked
mid seventies but one of the go to players of
tennis in the world come back play in Auckland early
next year. What a snare. And we'll talk to Niko
about how that occurred and what else he's got hiding
up a sleeve.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Probably won't tell me, but I'll ask them anyway.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
At eight minutes after seven, let's get into this before
we get into that Sport today and in sports today,
all Blacks coach Scott Robertson got in the sea, Get
in the sea with a leg and a length of Polyeurathane,
Jerry John's pested raiser about rugby, not about wave priority
(02:29):
rookie when.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
You're getting Richie Beck and Jesus got global. So it
was entertaining. But yeah, the special country ill Black coach
a blaspheming on the radio.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
I don't know the White fans rode A Redemption starts
to night as they take on their Australian counterparts the
first of three T twenty matches preparing for the upcoming TEA.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Twenty World Cup.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Sophie Divine knows the importance of these fixtures.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
It helps playing that the best team in the world.
I think that's ideal preparation for us. So we want
to get that balance right between giving opportunities to play
is to put their name forward come a World Cup,
but also to make sure that we're really honing in
on this on the strategy and technics that we want
to use potentially moving forward.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Boxer Andre Mkalovich has dismissed his next opponent, Jana mc
and mccalooney, calling him a.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Man who's taking on a deity.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
The Human v.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Spirit clash is an IBF middleweight title fight said to
go on October fourth.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
He's not a guy, he's not special. He's just another
dude that apparently is some killer. But you know, it's
all about perspective.
Speaker 7 (03:36):
You know.
Speaker 6 (03:36):
He top ring behind him prompted him up with media
and stuff like that, so you can't look too deep
into it. When I stood in front of him, I
just saw a morsel Man and he's looking at a
god Wow.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
And Ryan Fox defend hes BMW Championship title this weekend,
sharing the t box with Rory Mankelry Justin Rose. It's
all part of a drill and it won't remove his
name from the trophy regardless of what happens.
Speaker 8 (03:58):
There's definitely a little bit of added pressure playing with
those guys the first couple of days, but it's all
kind of part of it. It's what you expect if
you're the defending champion and you can't take my name
off the tracery from last year. I certainly earned that
and I earned the right to play with.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Those guys this year too, right, you did, and that's
Scott today. I'll attempt to keep you up with what's
going on in the cricket as well. I'll give you
an update on that soon. They're back on the park
again after rain sent them off. It's been a bit
of a stop. Start morning's entertainment, right, Let's go to
Sydney now and we'll tear across the ditch. New South Wales.
(04:34):
Joining us is Elliott Smith. It's league rugby commentator and
he joins us now to look at the team and
look at the naming of the side through the mind
of Rasor Robertson Elliott.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Welcome, not too many surprises.
Speaker 9 (04:51):
Get it, Darcy? Yeah, I think you're right. It is
largely predictable. I suppose the biggest one of those changes
is Bote and Barra being restored to fallback a week
or two weeks on from moving to the bench behind
Will Jordan, Will Jordan moving back to the wing, and
then Cadom Clark's fit again. So that's the justification for
restoring the back three that started in Johannesburg when the
(05:13):
attack did look a lot better. They scored four tries
of course on that afternoon despite losing, so the restored
that combination and move Bod and Barrett to fallback.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
So he's Joe out of the team or out of.
Speaker 9 (05:23):
The starting fifteen and Yojo back into the run on
side for this weekend. Obviously running football likely to be
the case in sunny conditions on a Sydney afternoon on Saturday,
but certainly the highest profile of the changes to the
All Blacks team elsewhere fearly predictable. Did you see Caddem
Clarke back from injury that Ethan de Grew back in
the mix as well, and Wallace a Tititi retaining his
(05:46):
spot at blindside flanker after a pretty good run on debut.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
Has to be said in Cape Town. So he gets
the nod again.
Speaker 9 (05:53):
Is the All Blacks, you know, make some little tweaks,
but as you said, Darcy, you know relatively predictable for
this test here in Sydney.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Is this a move that suggests it's an anti move
for Will Jordan or more of a positive move for
Bowden Barrett, if that makes sense.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
I agree.
Speaker 9 (06:09):
I think you look at that and I think it's
probably an anti move fit for Will Jordan around the
combination that they just want to get that back three clicking,
and it feels like it hasn't really clicked the season.
They've gone with a number of different combinations throughout the
season around who started on what wing and who started
at fullback. You know, Petter Fetter started the year out
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and then Boden Barrett was coming off the bench to
replace him at full back, and then Boden Barrett was
starting at fullback. Well Jordan there on the wings with
Mark Khala and sevu Rees and Will Jordan's back in
the mix there, so I think it speaks to perhaps
just a lack of certainty around their best combination and
by moving it back this week, they feel that this
is probably the best combination at the moment. I know
(06:52):
Will Jordan, you know, very much keen to play more fullback,
but it's back in the right pieces into place, and
I think we saw in Cape Town that you know,
maybe Mark Khala just a little bit out of sorts
at the moment.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Sevu Reese probably likewise.
Speaker 9 (07:05):
So that kind of means that you've got to play
the hot hands, and that's Boden Barrett, who's been pretty
good I think so far this season. Maybe an off
day in Johannesburg, but that's probably the best combination for
this point in time. But as I said that, I
think it is still a relatively live discussion around what
is the best makeup of the back three for this
All Blacks team.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Sam Kaine Guess an odd nineteen ninth Test match, so
it looks like he'll notch up the ton in Wellington.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Couldn't have him to a nicer Blowka.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
This is really good and he's not there out of
congratulations for your hard work.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
He's there because he's a.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Great player and he's providing plenty of what they want.
Speaker 10 (07:41):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 9 (07:42):
And it was interesting to hear Scott Robinson talking to
the media this morning sort of saying, well, how long
is the spawn song going to go on for? Because
they know he's leaving, but he's in such irrepressible form.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
At the moment that they can't keep him out.
Speaker 9 (07:54):
So I think we probably all thought that maybe his
lot might be just coming off the bench and adding
some experience in the closing stages of tests and you know,
notching up the hundred on the way and if that
was that, then that's a pretty good finish to his career.
But as it happens, he's usurped Old and Papoli out
of the starting team and he's made that seven jersey
back his own again and you know how many more
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tests are going to play well, as you said, one
hundred next week. But the kind of form that he's
in is just making him very very hard to leave
out of this All Blacks team, and that testament to
the you know, the kind of character that he is,
you know, it is twilight of his test career would
have been very very easy for him to sort of
go off into the sunset and chip away and make
some appearances off the bench, maybe get some of the
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starts against the lesser lights. But he's been very, very
impressive and has been one of the first names down
on the team sheet and reunite that combination with with
Ardie Sava Whilla Titi.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
They're on the blind as well.
Speaker 9 (08:48):
It's a formidable loose for Trio that the all blacks
are putting in there, even though you know one bloke's
about to depart the game from New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
And what the tit.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Alex Smith joins us a lot of applauded for what
he did. Now let's just be slightly critical. You need
to step back and look at where improvens need to
be made for Wallace because he were it's pretty flashy
in the loose.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
He looked good.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
He's up against an Australian team that down on their
luck to be pleasant. Where do you think he needs
to lift to selp I suppose see all that problematic
six position.
Speaker 9 (09:18):
Well, I think the miss tackles column is the one
that he needs to look at. So he missed three
in Cape Town and he just did a lot of
good stuff with the ball in hand, but he can't
afford to miss that many test tackles at this level
as a player, so that needs to be something. Those
spot tackles needs to be better because if you miss one,
then that puts the rest of the team under pressure,
puts the defensive line under pressure. So he's going to
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be better at that, but he will learn that. I
think he's a character that's willing to learn and develop
his game, as we've seen throw his meteoric rise from
Chiefs development right through to starting with the Chiefs number
eight jersey this season, so he's willing to put in
the work. He gets another opportunity on Saturday with Ethan
Blackhead are still troubled by the hamstring injury that kept
him out in Cape Town. It's another opportunity and I
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think you get that miss tackle column down. You know
there's always going to be miss tackles in a game
from any team, but I think if you can nullify
that a little bit, we know what he's capable of
with ball and handmades and great runs in Cape Town.
I think this Australian team and playing against the will
suit Wallas to tz you think about you know the
kind of loose forwards that have previously had success against
Australia in the past. You know a lot of those
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the hard running type of you know, loose forwards that
can carry hard and ben the defensive line, different kind
of style defensively Australia put out there rather than South Africa,
who are much more in your face and that rush defense.
Australia don't tend to do that as much. So it
gives players like Wallas to t t time with ball
in hands. It to really cause some havoc and I
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think that's what they want to see from an all
Black's perspective, comes Saturday afternoon.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Thanks for that, Elliott.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
I'm not quite sure what we'll learn out of this though,
if the Wallaby show up with all the intensity that
in the last twenty minutes up against Argentina. Let's go
to someone who knows a little bit more about Australian
rugby than I do. His name Sean Maloney. He's got
the call for Stan comes off the Wallabies. He joins
us now from over the ditch. Owan, welcome, great to
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have you on board again. Thanks for this, and I
suppose that your team's been named now be hoping for
a little more than what they served.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Up last week, well two weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Anyway, in the last twenty versus Argentina.
Speaker 10 (11:25):
It never happened. They came over in Santa Fe. Never
ever happens.
Speaker 11 (11:30):
So we come into this off the back of that
browsing last second victory against Argentina in gay one over there.
So we're in good form, We're ready to go for
the weekend and obviously a couple of changes have been
brought by coach Jo Schmidt and what.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Are those changes? Is there anything worth like looking at?
Are they major adjustments?
Speaker 12 (11:49):
Mine?
Speaker 11 (11:50):
The big the begin is seeing Fraser right in there
in the number seven jerseys.
Speaker 10 (11:57):
So that's a huge return for for Fraser.
Speaker 11 (12:00):
He's been massive for the Wallabies for a long period
of time now and we know we've seen through a
super Rabia that he can actually match it with the
best that you've got over on that side of the
Tasman as well.
Speaker 10 (12:11):
So he's a big in Jeremy Williams.
Speaker 11 (12:14):
I was surprised to see Jeremy Williams get the start
in the number five jersey instead of Luka and Salakai Lotto,
who's been a real enforcer this year for Joe Schmidt.
Rest of the back row make up fairly similar with
Bobby v at six, Wilson.
Speaker 10 (12:29):
Nick White's the other big one mate, Nick White going
in at nine.
Speaker 11 (12:32):
I thought we might have seen McDermott in the nine
this weekend, but it will be the veteran Nick White.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
And settling on that is Joe slowly working out Joe Smith.
That is about who actually represents the country best, and
his position is he's still very much a juggler, not
unlike Scott Robinson.
Speaker 11 (12:51):
Well, I mean there is a little bit of juggling
going on because Jake Gordon was the scrum half of
choice through the early part and was good too, a
couple of Man of Nats performances earlier this year, was
strong and getting that win against Argentina, so there was
a few of us sort of surprised, I think to see.
Speaker 10 (13:08):
Nick White in there in the number nine. So yeah,
to answer your question, there is a touch of juggling
around it.
Speaker 11 (13:14):
And then we've got those sorry twelve through fifteens pretty
much as expected. Hanna Pie's Sami returned, so he takes
that inside center spot from Hamis Stewart, then Marika, Tommy
Wright and Kellaway in the wing position as well.
Speaker 10 (13:30):
So it's it's just it's a solid enough team.
Speaker 11 (13:33):
It's it's a good team and they'll have the chance
in the sunshine on Saturday afternoon.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
And a reason to celebrate for a prop called Slipper.
He's overtaking the terrorizing four more years George Gregan as
the most play of all time.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
That's impressive.
Speaker 10 (13:50):
For it's huge. I mean he has put his body
through all sorts of hardships.
Speaker 11 (13:58):
I guess this is the best way of putting it
overcame some off field issues going back a few years,
made that jump from Queensland down to the Brumbies where
he sort of got a new shot on his career.
Speaker 10 (14:10):
And he's just huge, man.
Speaker 11 (14:12):
He's just unbelievable, much loved over here, very much loved
as captain on occasion and yeah, as you as you say,
one hundred and forty Test matches on the weekend, thank
you very much.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
It's extraordinary. So tell me Sean Maloney, what went wrong
in the game that didn't go ahead? Just what do
they need to Obviously the first half you got to
love that.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
The second half it seemed in the clowns. What happened
can they change this around us narrative?
Speaker 10 (14:41):
God? I hope so. I Oh, so we caught I
call that game.
Speaker 11 (14:47):
I had Morgan Nui and Michael Hoop alongside in the
commentary box over here, and so they get that they're
up twenty to three and they were playing some of
their best attacking rugby that we've seen in ages. There
was so much cohesion with what they were doing. The
passing and skills were up much better than what they
had been even earlier this year. They look terrific. And
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then and then they stuffed up a restart, and they
stuffed up another restart, and then that second half was
just an absolute horror show like Argentina court fire.
Speaker 10 (15:16):
There's no doubt about that. But our guys certainly made
it very easy for them.
Speaker 11 (15:21):
I still can't believe they've put four tries in eight
minutes of the back end of the game.
Speaker 10 (15:25):
How do you do that?
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Oh, with ease up against your guys?
Speaker 10 (15:30):
Sorry, isn't it? That would be?
Speaker 11 (15:35):
That would be It'll be a long way back for
all of this if that's what happens on Saturday. But
I don't know that it's going to be that comfortable
for the All Blacks I don't. I don't necessarily know
that our guys can can win, but I just don't
know that it'll be that comfortable for the men in
black on the.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Hard fast dick in the sunshine. Who does that favor
do you think?
Speaker 11 (15:58):
Probably your blakes, i'd suggest going off that sunshine thirty
degree day over in Santa Fe a couple of weeks back.
Probably your fan. But I mean, we can obviously still score.
I think we've picked the team that can put quite
a few points on.
Speaker 10 (16:14):
The board as well.
Speaker 11 (16:14):
There's some real strike power there and if they click,
as we all hope that they do, they can I'm
anticipating in a high scorer.
Speaker 10 (16:23):
But I don't know if we'll be able to finish
with enough at the end of the eighty to be
in front.
Speaker 7 (16:28):
Hear it from the biggest.
Speaker 10 (16:29):
Names and sports and men.
Speaker 13 (16:31):
Have your say on.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Sports Talk more on your home of sports news Talks.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
It'd be it's twenty two minutes after seven. Shall Maloney
joining us there from stan at sport or So Channel
nine coverage, which is why the game has been played
so early, because they don't want to get in the
way of the NRL Final Series, which is it's had
to say, a lot more popular than a Bledisloe Cup match,
although the results of recent times you can absolutely understand that.
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Before that, our man on the spot, Elliott Smith who
brings you the broadcast the game, and Frey called it
a six on Saturday afternoon at News Talk A z B.
Both men with their ideas around the strengths and the
weaknesses of these two teams. So question to you, this
is a this is a pragmatic selection from Scott Robinson.
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I'm not quite sure if it's bordering on frightened or respectful.
I don't know if you can help me out with
this one. He's named a team where there's not a
great deal of surprises. He's named a team where he's
adjusted the back three because Caleb Clark has came back
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a plainly Will Jordan didn't have too much of an
effect at the back against South Africa, but nobody would
have done He did what he did. He maintained his position,
he stayed there, protected the back. So and then you
look at the attacking prowess of all of them when
they're in that selection. I suppose that makes sense.
Speaker 11 (18:04):
It is.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
It's a fairly settled kind of sight.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
It's a side that I don't go, wow, look at that,
We're going to roll over top of them.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
And it's probably because I've.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Been damaged after what happened up against South Africa. But
in your mind looking at this, is this a sensible
progression of a coach slowly learning the strengths and weaknesses
of his players. And I think he's shown that right
from the get go. He's not try to start with
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a bang. He's not trying to blow the barn doors
off immediately. His first selection way back when against the
English was very standard. I don't think he's deviated much
from that. There's been a couple of tweaks with plus
coming in. The most understandable one is called looks like
he's taken that second pace because once, of course cam
(19:02):
Royguard comes back, we need a second.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Not a first.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
So for you, is this just a sensible decision. I
don't know what your expectations are around how big the
victory should or shouldn't be. I think the only expectation
I've got out of all of this, I want to
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see them score points in the last twenty minutes. Is
that too much to ask? And this the team to
do it because they look shell shocked and it should
be a team they should run over. But in saying
that they can't play in the last twenty minutes, neither
can we. Maybe they null off each each other in
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that space each other, excuse me, in that space. I
want to see them score in the last twenty minutes.
I don't want to see them take their foot off
the pedal. I want to see them show confidence in
their own ability, to show what the All Blacks used
to show, which was a clinical and cut throat method
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around winning games of football.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
And we haven't seen that. So Rays has been pretty sensible,
pretty pragmatic, not too many big swings, trying to build
some sense of rhythm and understanding within his side from
what the way he wants to play the game.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
So we'll accept that. Right, we need to see something
happen in the last twenty minutes. Don't think I can
put up with this anymore?
Speaker 2 (20:32):
What about yourself? I eight hundred.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Eighty ten eighty don't care what they win by I'm
presuming they're going to win. I just want to see
something happen in the last twenty minutes. I want to
see this team click after the grind of the first
sixty I eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Based on what
you've seen in this team, what would you like to see?
What does this suggest to you?
Speaker 2 (20:56):
This team?
Speaker 3 (20:57):
To me, it suggests safety, but I want to see
that continuity repaid with scoring in the last twenty twenty
seven after Sports Talk here and News Talks EB, it's
a Thursday nineteenth to September twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Four, and he said in twenty four out last.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
After fives and two deliveries, they dismissed shred anchor fairly sharpestly.
When play started again this morning, well I Rourke picked
himself up. Another couple of polls, five for fifty five,
another five wicket bag. This guy is something else And
this is NEWSTALK'SB.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Spelling why and and home Ma drink sweet throws.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
The right call is your call on eight hundred and
eighty eighty Sports Talk call on your home of Sports
News Talk zb.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
AW about seven it is.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Awful annunciation half past half past?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
How do you spell anyway? H past up? Ass it's
half past seven?
Speaker 3 (22:10):
New Talks A B one ten eighty talking expectations around
the All Blacks with the team that has been named
Pragmatic dull.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Safe.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I'm not quite sure what you'd label that team. Is
it a man in scott Raiser Roberton that's a little
afraid to make wamping changes or he understands that process
is important and over time he can make those changes,
but he's got to build that base. Is it even
respectful of what the Australians bring?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Is it getting beaten by them? Whoo good a rob?
Speaker 5 (22:43):
How are you?
Speaker 14 (22:44):
Yes? Hi, Darcea. Just listen listening to your comments here.
And I've for a long time been an avid sports anatic.
I watch alls types of sports and but you know,
growing up in New Zealand, rugby's our net, well supposedly national. Yeah,
and over over time I think it's getting swamped by
(23:06):
rugby league. To tell you the truth, I think I
think personally Raisers playing it safe. I've been listening to
the comments on breakdown and and things like that over
the past few weeks and I just think he needs
to take the bull by the horns. And you know,
you look at Rico, he's an X winger. Wait, why
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didn't he take the ball by the horns and just
mix it up a bit, you know, and put them
back on the wing.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Well they did didn't work. Yeah, but it didn't work.
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Maybe he's a little tensative and people are expecting a
little more as far as wholesale changes. But he I
think he's playing a safe game and a built, slow
building game. I don't think he's going to get judged
on the results of this year. He's probably got a
year in lou and Foster. Fans are going, well, what
happened to that will the end?
Speaker 14 (23:58):
But he hasn't. He hasn't solidified. He hasn't really solidified
a back three. So so why don't you mix it
up a bit, you know, instead of playing it safe.
I know, I know he's a man of processes and stuff.
But if you're looking at that team, you've got Damien McKenzie,
who I think he should have been benched and put Bowden.
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Try Boden, Just try something different, you know, try Boden
at ten and bring Anton and Brown back into center,
you know, just just.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Instead of But if you make it's like in science.
I remember very little from science because it wasn't interested.
It's got so when you blue things up, but there's
always that control element. If you make several changes in
an experiment. You're never going to understand what made the
big difference because there's no control. You need to keep
something the same and it just as you go along.
Speaker 14 (24:50):
And yeah, but I think, yeah, yeah, I think. But
I think people want something different Lussie. You know, they
just because people will respect him if he tries things
and it doesn't work well, I think they.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Just want victories. I don't I don't know about different.
I think the All Blacks, it's just different.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
They just want to win. If they don't win, they're like,
what are you doing?
Speaker 10 (25:08):
Mate?
Speaker 14 (25:10):
Yeah, but you look at you look at their squad,
and you've got you've got people who are versatile. You know,
you've got players who can play in different positions. So
why don't you use that instead of keeping them in
the same position. Why don't you You know what I mean,
You've got players that can play different positions like Bowden.
You know, we know what class he is, you know.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
I just think I'm still not sure though, Rob, And
thanks so much for your call. I had an eighty
ten eight if you like to join in, like Rob,
that if some of the slight tweeks he's made have
necessarily been overly successful and he's comfortable in that. Maybe
he's like, Wow, I've tried a couple hasn't quite worked
after what happened in South Africa. Granted it was only
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a tiny amount. They got rolled over in the end
by South Africans, but not by much, and playing them
at home World Champions it's difficult. So it's not like
they sealed the bed sheets completely. Right, It's still okay,
you're coming back here. You've got an Australian team that
sometimes looks okay and other times looks disastrous. He's thinking,
(26:22):
I can't risk a Blurthersow Cup game against these blokes.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
I really can't.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
I've only won two of my last five games, same
as Assie. Incidentally, two of my last five games. I
need to really put a line in the sand, and
I'm not gonna mess with too much. In fact, I'm
going to go back to what worked now. Caleb Clark's
back will readjust that back three that should work hasn't
messed round much with the rest of it. Oh, someone's
(26:47):
text about Patrick Tweet Pilotto or Paddy two ups as
I like to call him.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
He's over there, but.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
He's not fully ready to go. Okay, let's get to
the phones. Now I get a JF.
Speaker 14 (26:56):
How are you.
Speaker 12 (26:57):
I'm very good, thank you. I've been listening to all
the comments about the All Blacks ah and the social
is I been put in.
Speaker 15 (27:08):
Uh.
Speaker 12 (27:08):
I was very surprised that Bowden Barrett was put in
his fallback because he's very fast and very witty and
between him and McKenzie they were a great combination. But
then again, the All Black coach, it's entirely up to him.
What I did notice in the South, and I'm not
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going to be critical about this, I noticed in the
second half of the South African Games the All Blacks
sort of lost the plot of it.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
How did that manifest itself?
Speaker 2 (27:46):
That the plotlessness?
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Jeff?
Speaker 3 (27:47):
What what did you see?
Speaker 12 (27:51):
I saw? I saw that South Africa sort of came
came through, were running all over the All Blacks. In
the end, they were scoring and they were strong.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I would say, inability to finish something they started.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
For the All Blacks. That is plotless because the only
that doesn't.
Speaker 12 (28:09):
Happen the All Blacks didn't keep up consistency in the
last twenty minutes past end to twenty minutes, and if
they had of they could have won the game. But
you know we can all be critical, but I will
always support the All Blacks no matter what. And I
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think the All Blacks need New zell On people to
be behind them.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Well, I think we all are, Jeff, I don't know
if there's not a completely negative. It must have put
the slipper and we all want them to win. But
with that passion and that connection, we also wanted about
to have our comments heard.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Say hey, I don't like this. They're my team, and
I'm going to tell you what I don't like. Like
plotless Jeff. Daniel, Okay, Berdie, I like, be good buddy,
It's good Daniel. What's on your mind?
Speaker 15 (28:59):
Hey, yeah, just want to.
Speaker 13 (29:01):
Get my two cents in about the old All Blacks.
I think that Burgo's problem matter is international experience.
Speaker 12 (29:09):
Is the boys that.
Speaker 13 (29:10):
We've got in there at the moment. It's not that
they're bad players and they don't know what they're doing.
They're great super rugby players like Damien Cindy. Great team,
but international team.
Speaker 16 (29:23):
Not yet.
Speaker 13 (29:23):
I don't think, you know. And that's what Seth Africa
showed us is I think what's our team at the
moment is a lot of our boys don't have international experience.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
They've had it, but not at a great level. I
think calling Damien McKenzie great is extremely generous.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Daniel, Yeah, hey.
Speaker 15 (29:45):
I'm to be honest, mate, I've never actually liked him,
but he's growing on me. He's he's pushed and he's tried,
and he does he does try and make stuff out there.
Speaker 13 (29:56):
But he's still no DC or he's still.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
They're not all Richie Muwanga, and that's they're hard shoes
to slip into and it's a very different style and
when you're trying to re build a style. But you
talk about lack of international experience, maybe in that position
and maybe when it comes to the half back situation,
because what Cortes has only got a handful of tests
under his belt.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
But across the rest of the team, there's some very
experienced players in there.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
He's not He's only had what three tests, so he's
not two who's on the way up to thirty odd?
Barrett's seventy odd, A Lomax coming up forty, Cody Taylor
ninety odd.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
They didn't come down to the last shower, did they?
Speaker 12 (30:39):
No?
Speaker 13 (30:40):
Well, Taylor, look how good he was and both of
those games as soon as.
Speaker 15 (30:45):
He came off on those in both of those South
Africa games.
Speaker 13 (30:49):
Sorry, excuse me. As soon as Taylor came off that
it just seemed like we lost it, that we started
losing the lineouts.
Speaker 10 (30:58):
Just he.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Was monster.
Speaker 13 (31:02):
It was just And that's the other thing is I
don't think we have enough money grew in the team.
You know, people like Bradie Rutellic and stuff that used
to be there, big, huge, scary guys.
Speaker 10 (31:13):
You know we've got what.
Speaker 13 (31:15):
Ardi in there and you've got uh yeah, once an.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
There's a fine line between fine line between mongrel and
red cards. But Daniel, I love your contribution. Thanks so
March New Zealand thirty two without lost. Like from twenty one,
Conway on team at Trails Sri Lanka by two hundred
and seventy runs. This is the first session, day two,
the first tis in Sri Lanka and New Zealand. Or
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of your course coming up next oh eight hundred eighty
teen eighty There.
Speaker 17 (31:45):
Is a monks myself mister mister Ammon has.
Speaker 16 (31:51):
In our car.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Seven forty three sports talk aer and news talks there
B thirty eight for none. We've done New Zealand. If
you want to hear Nicholas O. Lampron, you're going to
have to go online. Used obviously be dot co dot
in z because we've got plenty of all black calls
and he is going to run with it because we
love the all blacks.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Hello Tom?
Speaker 18 (32:16):
Could he be Gussie?
Speaker 16 (32:17):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I'm very happy? What can you say? What can you
bring to the program?
Speaker 18 (32:22):
On talk between checks? But I have a theory behind
Robinson playing Kensy at team. But with regards to the
last week's games, first, I wasn't to impressed with the
friends for five minutes of the game because all the
stuff I thought wasn't being picked up.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
I think that's just a.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Given now, isn't it an international rugby that the guy
in the middle with a whistle, it's so well, you
can't do this. We don't know and it's hard to
keep him out of the narrative. But you've got to
try to not give him reasons to make a mess
of things, right, But it's beyond everyone's control.
Speaker 18 (32:57):
Yeah, I did think the the English referees were quite
disappointed in in the South African series. But going back
to my point with McKenzie, the reason why I believe
raising is playing McKenzie at him and continues to play
into McKinsey because it leaves him to argument to a
battle that he's already lost. And the battle cryers as
(33:19):
sounding out even this week. So Boden pay them fifteen.
Previous coaches and good, very good coaches are the predecessor,
and even the one before that greater Boden more of
fifteen than a ten. So that's been tried and proven
by previous all back coaches. So we're not going to
(33:40):
go back there again.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
But Tom in that situation, just going me to sit
in that situation, they had a guy called Richie Mourner
who played fantastic, so it forced Bode. Now now it's
different because Damien McKenzie ain't no Richie Moreer.
Speaker 18 (33:55):
Is he correct? And this is what plays into I
think Raises strategy. Here is in his first year of
his tenure in New jer Rugby, when not going to
get rid of Raising, specially especially after the last two
or three years with jury and enduring and what we're
put up with Foster and Razor and how that unraveled
(34:16):
and how it all came about. So he's got he's
got his full reign, so he's i think Razing is
actually testing boundaries with New Zealand rugby and their stance
on picking Dutch players like Malanga on overseas contracts. We're
seeing us South Africa and do it and it's proven
successfully for them too. Successful work.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Cut Tom the thing here and thanks for your time.
Going to move on to the other calls.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
We actually had Chris Linda on the show last night
talking about that and said, we're a ready comfortable with
where we stand on sabbaticals and on where the people
should be made available for the team. And they're happy
with where they're They're not changing anything. They've made a
few adjustments, but they're.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Don't to make anymore.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
But things change, Things change, don't they pall.
Speaker 7 (35:05):
He is hoping. Look, I hope, Darcy. But by the way,
nice to talk to you again.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Thanks.
Speaker 7 (35:12):
I hope we're not seeing the Foster effect here. And
I use that term fairly tightly because the reason our
team and our All Blacks are going the way that
they are is because of the Foster effect. Because he
didn't blood new players knowing that they were going to leave.
He was trying to hold his job right. So I
(35:34):
look at this team and our eight isn't the best
eight in the world. He's actually on the side. I
think everyone knows that his size is not big enough.
And if we were going to move towards the World Cup,
we've got to start taking risks. Who cares if we lose.
(35:56):
Let's start testing players so much.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Where Ardie Savia goes to open side, sam Kin's good night,
notice anyway seem going to be around and then you
look to put a big body in the boot like
Saititi who is going to be playing grindside, and you
think that's the way forward, and he's slowly pushing into that,
but not on a hurry to do it.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
This is razor.
Speaker 7 (36:21):
Yeah, but I think if you're going to start, as
I say, to hold players back, it's not good for anyone.
Doesn't do anyone any good. They're not learning anything. Play
them in a position and say I'm sticking with you
like McKenzie. He's sticking with McKenzie at a ten. And
Damien has not been playing well and he hasn't got
(36:44):
the size, he hasn't got the kicking game, so what's
he doing?
Speaker 3 (36:49):
He doesn't film me with confidence either, And I want
to dismiss the guy because I'm sure he's lovely, but
he doesn't feel a lovely.
Speaker 7 (36:55):
Fella listen to them. Yeah, I agree, but that's not
saying I see, I'd be putting Plumber there because he's
in the squad. Give him a run, give them a
few runs.
Speaker 6 (37:08):
Well.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I wonder, though, Paul, how much of this is to
do with it.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
I mentioned the word frightened before that the gravity of
these two tests coming out. If they lose one of these,
that whoa, that's serious and maybe there's.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
A wee bit of like, oh the tribidation.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
I'm better just run with the same kind of team
and slowly try and build because I've got plenty of time.
Speaker 7 (37:31):
Yeah, but if you're a your black squad, that means
you are the best players. This country's gone, So why
wouldn't you. I don't care if it wouldn't the bleederslow. No,
I don't believe that any fan actually does. We've had
it for twenty something years. Let's start moving towards the
(37:51):
World Cup like other countries do, and they move by
by blooding players and putting them in position. We've got
a third en that can't distribute. What's that? There's not
annoying at all well, that's how I feel anyway, and.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Yeah, thanks so much for your call.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Always appreciate one hundred and eighty ten eighty ross high.
Speaker 17 (38:16):
Yeah, good a Doncy. I just think now you all
black side. There is followed of issues to do with
selection and the men before just touched on Harry Plumber
and I think I would have Hoskin to two to
at number eight. Bring so we're in at seven and
(38:37):
then Sam came as a run on later on twenty
minutes to go, and two great players to have at
number seven.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
It's difficult because of course, isn't there.
Speaker 17 (38:47):
No, they're quite and I think that it comes back
down to a selection with Sam as Harry Tummer. I mean,
he kecked what seven goals out of seven on that
super final. He's the best number ten in the country.
Yet they went with McKenzie who was looked quite ordinary
against against Pum because he had this all round game
which is you know what you want, you know in
(39:08):
this day and age, and he's growth and I really
honestly think that he wasn't there great tour or three
years ago, but he stepped up big time and you're
showing that and I think that could be you know
Leon McDonald's behind that probably would as well.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Yeah, I mean, we'll wonder how much they had interrupted
the train of thought and what they're actually trying to
achieve when he up stick.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
And left, and what interference or interruption ahead on the team.
Speaker 17 (39:36):
And you've got the players like Billy Proctor, who I
would have played great away that was said to you,
any right, you can come on in the last twenty
minutes of the game. You've got a better pressure off
your shoulders. We'll give you a rest. Proved to us,
how could you are with twenty to go against South
Africa and South Africa Billy propor can do the same
by you know, run on, you proved to us how
good you are and so on and so on, you know.
(39:59):
And I just don't understand why you would still play
t J Pire and Aaron players like that. You've got
these younger players them and keep the experience going, get them.
It's all about confidence and now come on, let's go,
let's get into it.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
But it's such a big it's.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Such a big culture man, Ross that it's what he
brings to these sides. As everyone tells you, he's not
an exs AND's coach. He's talking to the culture the
team and getting plays to play for you, and you
do wonder he's been a bit safe.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
See that in the very first team he announced it's
a bit safe. Suse.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
I doesn't want to chuck the baby over the bath water.
Speaker 10 (40:33):
You know.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Your course coming up next there, it's eight minutes away
from eight ten eighty. This is news Talks it.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
It's five to eight, Graham. The last word is yours.
Speaker 15 (40:53):
Take it away, my friend, right, I'll make it breakfast today.
Speaker 16 (40:57):
When I saw the table, I thought they dropped these
as blackhead as I was pretty.
Speaker 15 (41:00):
Upset, but I see that I knew that was coming.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Graham. You're super happy.
Speaker 16 (41:04):
But I just want to say there's a few people
that listened us the heavy to night. I'm going to
be really but I found out if he did have
a NIGG also, they left him out, so I take
my criticism. Yeah, I was a bit upset, but I
just want to agree with one other call about the
future briefing. I think I think the best example of
the had apart from center where they keep you on
he there is the half back. And I think you're
(41:26):
right about Roy Guard. He's coming back. But I think
Noah hosm should definitely he's one example of some young
player that Turely would come off the bench in this
game with courtiers starting, and that that's one example. But
that's just the way that they've picked the teams since
the first English.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Chest That can just have been outrageous.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
As he's been reasonably safe with some little twigs from
time to time, but he's been very calm.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
The phrase of that saying something individual.
Speaker 16 (41:56):
Yeah, yeah, he's not normally calm, but well he's lot
calming on people think, but he hasn't got that image.
But yeah, no, that's what they've done, and that's what
they've gone with and Tea goes on the bench and
likewise that the fallback situation that played topsy two of
you but yees will Jordan's and it was a hard
test for them for get them too on a couple
(42:18):
of weeks back. But that's the call that made And well.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
Now what they're doing, Graham is Caleb claps come back
and they go, right, how can we fit them in?
Speaker 2 (42:25):
And that's all it is. So I don't think it's
really a case of bad Bill Jordan. You couldn't do
anything any time or space.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
And if you ran and tried to take all those
high balls because the two little followers couldn't do it,
the South Africans will have just bowled straight through the
whole score try.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
So he did what he's supposed to do.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Thank you Graham, Thanks to everybody for ringing in, Thanks
for your Texas So I couldn't read through a lot
of defensive d MAC, a lot of.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Attack of d MAC, A bit of attack on me,
no defense for me whatsoever. But that's okay.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
I love it when you call one hundred and eighty
ten eighty text nineteen nine two that is z b
Z to B forty eight for none are New Zealand
leth th and twenty nine Conway thirteen. That's it for me,
Andy Duff, thanks for producing the program.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
I'm gone
Speaker 1 (43:15):
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