October 15, 2024 • 43 mins
ZB's own D'Arcy Waldegrave returns to recap a full day in the world of sport! Highlights for tonight include:
Neil Barnes - Taranaki Head Coach - On the success of the NPC as a competition.
Ken Rutherford - Former Blackcaps Test Captain - On the Blackcaps v India.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Waldgrave
from News Talk ZEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Here we go again, six minutes up seven. It's a
Tuesday evening, fifteenth of October twenty twenty four. Good evening.
My name is Darcy Waldgrave, who it's corected.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Me back.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
After five days of the Gold Coast not bear ragging
or boosting. Still got the same heartless, soulless fields already
had that, but the fun parks were great and the
discount malls were fantastic and spending a week with my
daughter was ebsol goal. But now I'm back in the
hot seat. Thank you Nick Beauley for looking after the
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audience right though through the time I was away. I'm
fully fit, focused and ready to go. Looking forward to tonight.
Your calls over one hundred and eighty ten eighty three
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ZBZB standard text charge does apply there. Tonight we'll talk
a wee bit of cricket. Ken Rutherford Formert New Zealand
(01:33):
at Test Skipper joins us looking ahead to the black
Caps first Test of three up against India gets underway
tomorrow afternoon. What chance are they and who are the
scene is going to be. In fact, what is the
team gonna even look like? No one knows, no idea.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
We've got no.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Williamson, we've got a new captain, we've got several seamers
we're kind of squeeze into maybe a couple of roles.
We'll get the opinions of Ken Rutherford, who should know
wee bit about the strange comings and goings of Test cricket.
But we're gonna kick things off with head coach of
Taranaki Neil Barnes. How good's the NPC season been this year?
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It has been, hasn't it right? I'd argue with me.
When I got back from OS, I spent the weekend
watching Supercars, Batist and four fantastic games of NPC rugby.
I think it's been a great season. So we're gonna
find out from Neil Barnes, the Taranaki head coach. He's
probably a little dark on by losing one point to
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the like, I thought exactly why it was so good?
If indeed it was so good, what made it a
season to cherish? And then we'll get you on mine
L eight hundred eighty ten eighty It was worth a
yard Bayan. Yes, it's a competition worth saving, right, because
when they start doing the broadcast rights again, is it
(02:54):
looking cactus? I don't know. Should they continue to go
on with this wonderful competition after the year that we've
had your thoughts on our eight hundred eighty ten eighty
and it's coming shortly, but before that, let's do what
we normally do at this time on a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,
Friday night and today it's the one Kiey Hotchew. Liam
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Lawson comes back to Formula one this weekend. He's carrying
a part in gift though from the driver he usurped,
Daniel Ricardo. It's a ten place grid penalty. Red Bull
Boss meanly says that's Christian Horner. It's a soft reentry.
Liam Lawson says, yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
I want to have the best possible opportunity yet performing
And you could look at it like, yes, there's less
pressure because I know that I'm starting off the back
of the grid. But at the same time, as a driver,
you want to have the best opportunity possible and I
know that that's going to hinder me for the race.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, let's be honest about it. Christian Horne is not
a fan, so you want pale. Here comes Liam new
Auckland FC skipper HURROCKI Sucke intends on leading the A
League newbies with actions not words. Well, I said, my
English is not for entry, so I just shoulder performance.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
My performance it's most important on dateenth, so I shoulder
on the pitch for young pri as.
Speaker 7 (04:16):
I don't know. I thought support as well.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
The White fans got a tunnel this morning. Semi final
the T twenty Women's World Cups out next after the
team laid Pakistan to waste. Skipper Sophie divine.
Speaker 8 (04:29):
You results haven't gone our way leading into this tournament,
but I think the thing that I'm most proud of
is captain of the side. Is that we've stuck with
the processes, and we've stuck with the belief of this group,
and we know that when we get things right, we
can be any team on their day.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
And the Rooney Zell and Yacht Squadrons. America's Cup entry
Taijuro is slowly pulling away from the English entry. Britannia
leading fort nil in the first to seven exchange, but
helmsman Pete Burling is focused or is he still just
carrying baggage from San Francisco. We're illusions.
Speaker 9 (05:02):
We're gonna keep pushing right till the end, and none
of us feel a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
We're we're up at the moment. We're just gone to
charging through cool votes. And that's sport today. The NPC
is almost at a close. There are a couple of
fixtures to go. And I'm sure that our next guest
that Neil Barnes would love it if he was involved
part of the coaching staff or the coach, should I
(05:26):
say of the Taranaki side. Unfortunately EDGs by Wakathal over
the week and not to be there, Neil, welcome to
the program, I suppose, first and foremost from your point
of view, not taking into account the results, has this
been a more successful MPC than on previous years.
Speaker 10 (05:44):
It's successful in the fact that I think the competition
has been really, really close. There's not too many games
during the week that you can say, oh, Sanso's going
to beat him, mate. We've had upsets glare all the
way through, exciting, high scoring games that have gone to
the wire. It's entertainment that the public want, so yeah, yeah,
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it's been really pleasing.
Speaker 7 (06:08):
From what i've seen.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Anything you put that down to, particularly because you look
at a number of parameters. You look at obviously how
difficult it is to pick. You look at the grounds
that they go to, some big, some small, other style
of play, the way the referee is engaging that there's
a number of different varieties there isn't it.
Speaker 7 (06:28):
Yeah, And there's a whole heap of things go to
make a good competition.
Speaker 10 (06:31):
You just mentioned one of the referees, and I take
my hat off to Chris Pollock and his team. They've
worked really hard to come up with things that they're
focusing on which will help our game to be a
better product for people.
Speaker 7 (06:43):
To watch, rather than so much stop start. So that's
one thing too.
Speaker 10 (06:47):
I think a lot of real provinces are returning to
their own people, working hard on their communities to bring
through their own talent, which is what EPC is there for.
And it becomes, i suppose, at the end of the day,
way more connected when you're using your own people, and
that gives you that tribal thing, isn't it. So people
will go to the bloody depths for their own province.
Speaker 7 (07:09):
So there's a whole lot of factors in there.
Speaker 10 (07:11):
Really rapped with a lot of a lot of coaches
are adopting a way more attacking mindset now, which is
a joy to watch and a joy for the players
to plan.
Speaker 7 (07:20):
So, like I said, it's pleasing to see.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Has there been any edict atoll from Rugby, Zellan and
up top saying we'd like this, we want this, or
has this been more of a case of an organic
way of developing these teams at that level.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
No, there's been no direction from the top.
Speaker 10 (07:37):
It's more like when you watch other teams be successful
doing something, you're more likely to go and have a
cracket that yourself and hope it works for you. That's
a natural concept. And I think you know what we
showed last year, we want it. We didn't have a
care free attitude, but we certainly gave the ball a
lot more ere than most. And yeah, and a lot
of people are adopting that type of attitude at the moment.
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So defense has dominated our game for a long time,
and I'd like to think people are trying different things
now to expose the defense and it'll continue to adjust.
But that's all part and passerl of what keeps the
game interesting.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
And there's a lot of this Neil at the feed
as you mentioned before, of the rest willing to let
things'd say, let things go, but understand flow a little
more and be part of that that dynamic product. There's
a lot to do with them.
Speaker 7 (08:23):
Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 10 (08:25):
So you probably haven't got the level of referees and
the tmos and assistant referees and all that sort of thing.
So they've lessened those roles and the impact they have
on the game. But at the same time, you get
less accuracy inside the game, so as coaches you have
to suck it up.
Speaker 7 (08:40):
There's going to be mistakes out there.
Speaker 10 (08:42):
But the public get to watch a game that has
a lot more float to it, so we all want
to see more accurate decisions. But everyone's human. You can't
see everything on the field. So I take my head
off to the referees. They've done a fine job this year,
and like I said, the guidance they get from above
is really important.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
In that scene, you said tribal O'Neill Barns, and I
think that's very interesting. It's back in back in my day.
Listen to me, sounded like I'm seventy plus. That's what
it was. People from your school and your district. You
said no directive from upstairs. So why do you think
the NPC sides are basically coming back to their own
local product. Where does that come from?
Speaker 10 (09:18):
Oh again, I suppose people look at what other people
have done for the last three years.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
To get in our side.
Speaker 10 (09:23):
You have tosuely play club rugby in our province and
show you better than.
Speaker 7 (09:26):
Our local people, where before that there.
Speaker 10 (09:29):
Was a mindset we'll go and get someone better from
outside because we want to win the competition.
Speaker 7 (09:33):
Well, we still want to win the competition.
Speaker 10 (09:34):
But I'd like to think when you get out in
your community and do a lot more work in the
coaching side of things, you'll see some talent and you
try and grow that. If you have an understanding that
NPC is only semi professional, these are amateur players. A
lot of them that give three months off get three
months off work to come be a professional and show
their weirs in front of the super franchises to try
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and pick up a professional contract. And that's our job
is to unearthed talent to give them an opportunity to
plan on level playing field with or the superboys that
come back and see how they go to that end,
I think it's been very successful.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
And they're watching, aren't they The super coaches aren't paying
it lip service. They want to see the next big thing.
I think every season you find a player, people go wow,
where did he come from? So that's working, that step
is working.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
Yeah, that's what a pathway should look like.
Speaker 10 (10:24):
I'd like to see even more contracts left open at
super level for emerging talent. At the moment, there's probably
still a bit of a rush to secure who they.
Speaker 7 (10:34):
Think the talent are.
Speaker 10 (10:35):
But yeah, I'd love to see some rules in place
for each super franchise where they have to have X
number of positions open and that the home franchise would
get first shot at their local talent, and then if
they weren't picked up by then the others could pick
them up. That way, there's a pathway for NPC players
to get super bit.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (10:54):
I don't see too many positions opened late in the piece.
A lot of them already been secured, so yeah, that
would make it even better.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Neil Barnes, what about the all black involvement. No, we
haven't got the ad rock stars, but the fact they're
getting filtered back every week, how good's that? For the product.
Speaker 7 (11:12):
Yeah, it was awesome.
Speaker 10 (11:14):
I've always been a big believer that if everyone works
in unison, if there's respect for all levels of the
rugby and you have your programs to suit, and so
I'm well aware when you have all black programs running
while EMPSS is going. But at the same time, all
the all Blacks need rugby, so you want them back.
Speaker 7 (11:29):
That's what the public want to see.
Speaker 10 (11:31):
They want to see a connection back to their provinces
that they played for, and that increases your crowds and
interest side of it. It allows all Blacks to kind
of play alongside your MPC player and they pass on
stuff all the time.
Speaker 7 (11:42):
That's where you get your growth.
Speaker 10 (11:44):
So all of that stuff is like there's a natural
integration of those people and all the skills and the
knowledge that they have for us. Having Stephen Petifetter back
and Josh Lawd back for a while, how good.
Speaker 7 (11:55):
They just pass on so much to the younger guys.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
What about the grounds. I've really enjoyed watching these teams
play at smaller grounds. It's given such a sense of
community in the fact that you're there. It feels like
from TV land, but from a coaching point of view,
when you're playing at smaller grounds all over the nation,
how good is that?
Speaker 10 (12:17):
Well, it just adds to the atmosphere. I mean not many
of the royal provinces have that problem. But if you're
playing in the big smokes, the last thing you want
to do is be in a concrete jungle when there's
no one there. So for them to take their rugby
into the smaller grounds and get a bigger community involvement
gives a bit of atmosphere and people enjoy the entertainment.
But if you're sitting there with in one of those
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big grounds that can cater for twenty thirty thousand people
and it's only got bloody one thousand people, it's practically empty,
isn't it. But an atmosphere and a smaller ground with
a thousand people is way different.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
It is always a draw card. It never seems to
get tied the ran fairly shield and again what that
has created intertwined through the competition this year has been extraordinary.
Speaker 7 (13:01):
Yeah, and massive respect for it.
Speaker 10 (13:04):
Loved it When Hawks, Bay and Tasman have it like
they treat it with the respect that deserves. Their teams
get up for it, their part, come to support it.
I'd like to think next year we'll be able to
replicate that. Like we've had to put it away when
we're getting ready for our quarter, but the boys have
got it out of.
Speaker 7 (13:18):
The cupboard and they're carting around the community now.
Speaker 10 (13:20):
So yeah, it's massive for everybody.
Speaker 7 (13:24):
So y long, mate, continue.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Do you think this product that we've seen has saved
the MPC to a degree? Like, where do you see
it going from here? Because I've new broadcasting contracts in
the offering and the like, there may be some adjustments.
We know what it's like at that top level. So
do you think it's saved the product? What happens now?
Speaker 10 (13:45):
Well, like I said before, when you keep everything in balance,
the people that negotiate these deals, you need to give
it respect and market the competition as it should be
marketed in alignment with Super and International, and.
Speaker 7 (13:59):
Then you get a good balance product.
Speaker 10 (14:01):
But when you ignore it, that will be at your
detriment down the track, because the NPC is your breeding
ground for all your future talent for coaches and players,
and people need to understand that there's a feeling out
there at the moment they can take kids into academies
and grow them in the super franchises and then they'll.
Speaker 7 (14:17):
Make their X from there. Well, I say good luck
with that.
Speaker 10 (14:19):
To me, it's a crocod ship we got at the
moment has kept us at the top of the game
for songs.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
You don't need to change it, you just need to
respect it.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
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Speaker 2 (14:37):
It be Neil Barnes, the head coach of Taranaki and
not a lot of gray area. And what Neil had
to say about it summed up by that last line
I won't repeated. I might get hauled off to the
broadcasting standards folk, But that's great from Neil Barnes telling
us why it's been successful, why it's lifted, why the
quality is there, what has to happen next? Really enjoyable
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speaking with Neil Barnes direct quota a machine for So
this is worth saving this competition? You've been watching it,
you've gone along to the games, maybe you've watched some
highlights packages. You keep notice of it when you see
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it in the newspaper. Is it worth saving? The winds
that are pull out all stops to make sure it
carries on getting the complete TV coverage that it gets.
And I know it's pricey, but surely as Near was saying,
this is essential for the future strength of New Zealand rugby.
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That a competition Likenes focuses on the provinces, focusing on
developing young players and as he said, this is a pathway,
this is the journey, this is what it's all about.
And then from there you pop up into Super Rugbys.
Fascinated by what he had to say around moving to
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Super Rugby. From this, there needs, there needs to be
gaps and players need to have a way to follow.
I'm all over it. I think the competition is worth saving.
I think the tweaks and the adjustments. I think the
markers for success have been firm, they've been solid, and
there are a number of those markers. The quality of
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the product is the top engagement of the fans, even
if it's only at a small level. But when you
see a pat little ground, it says so much more
for the game than a vast, empty concrete jungle. And
that's work. Those little grounds have worked. The TV coverage
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is essential to me. It has to stay live, it
has to have not a potato filming. It has to
look good because you put it on TV and then
the youngsters see that and that's what they attempt to reach.
We've seen it in other sports when it's televised, it
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has import with the punters. They want to do it.
So it needs to stay how it is. The referees
need to stay doing exactly what they're doing, and it
needs to be focused much more on the provinces as
opposed to farming outside players so they can find a
route to super rugby. This is worth saving, This is
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showing wonderful signs of life. Tell me I'm wrong or not.
Plenty of markers for success. What's done it for you?
Why have you watched the NPC? Why do you want
to see it carry on or conversy? Why do you
want to take out the back and shoot it in
the back of the neck? You let me know. Oh,
eight hundred and eight ten eighty lines RPEN free phone
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nomin nationwide, twenty four minutes after seven. I think it's
been a successful season. I think it's had plenty of
wonderful markers and I think the future of New Zealand
rugby is in good hands of the MPC IS maintains
this News TALKSB Brugger drama.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
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Speaker 2 (18:55):
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Should the NPC being retain Should it carry on in
this current format? Would you mind if it just fizzles
away slowly? Bit surely the worst thing it could ever happen.
I'm not saying this is going to happen, but when
you look at the rescheduling and the sports broadcasting and
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what the contracts can, look at the sky and so
on and so forth, I'm sure that they'll be looking
at the value of the NPC and the amount of
money that it costs them to run that competition, trying
to work out of this is a good thing to
run with. Do we tweak it even more? I think
it's been great this year. I think it's shown us
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how valuable it is. And there are so many markers
there that I think have hit for me. A eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty lines are open text nineteen
nine two. That's sib z b A. Graham. You can't
talk all about the way Tasman got rolled and base
your entire conversation on that. But when you look at
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the MPC in general, hit the mark as it needs
to be retained.
Speaker 9 (20:06):
Or yeah, I wasn't going to just talk about that
actually see that by the way, because I know it's
terrible to be proud about your province. But yeah, no,
I agree with everything he said, and I want to
I've got a bit to say. It won't take too long,
but you know, I agree that this this thing is
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vital for New Zealand rugby. The MPC well, and I
think we've seen a revitalization at a number of levels.
Like people often thought that players weren't being brought through.
That's going straight to sleep for rugby franchises. And you've
seen I'm going to mention a Cannoby player Eiaac Hutchinson's
come through this year played never played for Cannary before
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and you know his highest point is well, I think
he might second highest points tour in the Cannoby team
and white the other young guys that the highest and
and those guys are coming through and they've got the
older guys and all the provinces that you've got Ryan
Crotty's and Cannon and others playing for Targo and Auckland
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who have played have been around, maybe been to Japan,
come back and you've ended up with a pot poory
of you know players and the competition has been great.
I mean, anyone could almost beat anyone. One or two.
You had a tough year, but everybody else was at
least to talk about how it was always Mike and
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Cannerby and Auckland and Wellington and then it hasn't been
like that for a long time because the shield's gone
around now. Tasmin got it worked for the first time.
Marlbury had it fifty odd years ago, but that was
groundbreaking and that's happening. That has been happening for a
long time. The shield mary go around, so it hadn't
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been stuck anywhere.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
The tribalism that Neil Barnes spoke of, which is something
I think all fans of New Zealand rugby looked toward
DPL for example, and go wow, I wish we had that.
But an NPC you do have that, and we've seen
that and there's been some close results, have been some
blowout results as well. On any given day you look
at what Cannibury achieved after they got blown away by.
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I mean, there's a lot to like about this, and
I think it's really really important to carry on in
this manner. I've enjoyed it. Hey, Pete, how are.
Speaker 11 (22:27):
You there going?
Speaker 12 (22:29):
No, it's definitely going to keep the the MPC going.
That's the roots of the rugby. And I know Mark Rominson,
was he talking about us? So I hit a room
that he'd well, maybe not that he does not really
worried about it anymore. What's the clown thinking about?
Speaker 2 (22:45):
You know, you shouldn't call him a clown? And I
even't actually heard that myself, Pete. But anyway, carry on,
but I reckon.
Speaker 12 (22:52):
That that's the roots of the rugby for the province
of Taranaki here, all the smaller towns, that's where that's
where I see about rugby players come from.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
It's at simple That's where your panel beaters are playing, right,
That's where your farm hands are playing. That's where the
people of your district are playing. And that drives such
passion which comes out on the park, right, Pete.
Speaker 12 (23:13):
That's dead right. You know, it's some people and their
farmers are busy and not of the you know, I
shouldn't say it, but a lot of the farmers they
got to milk the cows and stuff and not here
in Taranaki, and they got to get them to the game.
So they the closer. That town is where the farmers
and there are a living that's that's where they can
take their kids and watch them grow and watch them
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do better in rugby.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Does it matter that there are in some cases only
a few thousand people turning up to.
Speaker 11 (23:42):
The events, Well, some might.
Speaker 12 (23:45):
I think they get better turnouts than they do. And
sometimes in the cake then don't they see for rugby,
And that's some why they're not three big crowds there either.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I think too much is put on all the emphasis
is put too strongly on crowd numbers. It's a measure,
absolutely it is, and I'm sure it's an important part
of looking at the effectiveness of MPC rugby, but it
can't be based on the size of the crowd alone.
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I think that detracts from the point of having MPC rugby.
When you have it at smaller grounds and it looks
for it, that doesn't matter. You've got an engagement with
the crowd, with the community, with the province, and the players,
and that's what you want nihe Milner Scudder back in
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the day, where the hell did he come from out
of nowhere to end up being fantastic aullback albeit bref
with injuries through most of his career, but quite something else.
It's important. We'll run through a few texts around the
future of this competition and what needs to be done.
Can't carry on forever running exactly the same competition. There's
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always going to be tweaks and adjustments because it it
can't cost an absolute fortune and drag you Zealand Rugby
down with it. You can't get rid of it. It's very,
very very important. Some of your text here we go.
This is right up my aley. I love watching plumbers
and farmers playing rugby in the mp say as jars awesome,
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get it a super rugby. Then all the stars will
drop down and play for their MPC teams, bringing back
the fans in the current players in the NBC. I've
lost track of that text because it lost track of me.
But that's okay. I'm sure there's a lot in there, Mars.
You need to be more focused. This is probably quite relevant, Darcy.
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It is worth saving. But the costs of running it
need to come down. Smaller grounds are no TMO, less cameras,
and the provincial unions need to be mandated on both
club and NPC. Currently too heavily weighted to focus on
the MPC and the club suffers a national club competition
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somewhere in the mix. You can only have so much
rugby that it's funded, so you're working out where that
money goes and where it's best spent playing nets the
way it should be run. I don't know if the
provincial unions are entirely capable of that, and maybe it
needs to be managed at a higher level. But they
didn't like that very much, didn't you? So didn't they?
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So that didn't last a day? Man?
Speaker 11 (26:30):
How are you? I don't get run the super rog
mean pull the NPC that that time slot or that
period February through through you sort of July. You've got
your all legs playing at that time, so you're going
to have You're going to have the ability to pull
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more people to the games. You're going to have a
higher quality of game for people to watch. You're going
to bring those play. Those players will be around the
sixty five all legs that we see the head nowadays
playing in that in that period there at the moment
the NPC do all that home play at the NPC
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level and Lease it's a friend and they come back
from one or two weeks just to get fit.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Next level down. I suppose that the question is about
how much rugby can our top players be expected to
play without popping into pieces. So you've got to look
at that.
Speaker 11 (27:29):
If you get rid of the Super Rugby, they're going
to be playing the same amount of games or possibly
even lease.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Do you think I get a lot of people say that,
but I think when you can you generate the income
out of essentially a highly reved NPC competition as opposed
to Super Rugby, can you get the commercial engagement with
these little provinces all over the country unlike the focus
to get with Super Rugby. I don't know if commercial
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you could do that.
Speaker 11 (28:00):
Sorry, you have a conference system which was still involved
in the Australian teams. So you're not getting rid of
you're not getting you're getting rid of the Super Rugby
franchise and you're going back to the MPC franchise including
the Australian for four teams that they've going to or
five teams or whatever there's nowadays that they're going to
have and you can run a conference system.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
I think maybe there's a lot and Matt, I always
appreciate people's suggestions and thoughts and thanks very much for
joining us. But it's a lot of teams to manage.
I think when you have the focus on Super Rugby
franchise and it has managed from a central hub, it's
easier to commercialize, it's easier to promote. I think it
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needs to still be there to present to the major
companies to try and pick up some money. That's what
ms R have to do. I'm just talk about host.
They're not supposed about our answer at all. I think
in essence, the NPC is something we love to see
and we've seen that over the weekend. It was fantastic.
(29:08):
This is Newstalk ZB your course coming up next to
one hundred and eighty ten to eighty. Mars is now
accusing me of baggering up as text stop drinking while
I'm at work. I don't drink water. Muzzle dies newsk
ZB ragted the backstreets and back.
Speaker 9 (29:26):
You know, I just want to live.
Speaker 13 (29:32):
Good Lord.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Wish nineteen away from eight sport Stalk Care and Newstalk
ZB eight hundred eighty ten to eighty always tweaks, always adjustments.
The NPC is vital and it's highly entertaining. It just
has to keep getting adjusted for the times, so no
one's losing hatfuls of money every time. That's why these
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smaller grounds are better. Just doesn't cost as much to
open them up. And if you think that one day
the NPC will be able to fill even park again,
you're on another planet. Whatever the head for breakfast, maybe
should feed me some of that too. A eight hundred
eighty ten eighty your calls coming in thus joins us
(30:17):
now good even to.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Your buzz yeah you get them. I know you from
a long time ago when you were a night time
But I've been lucky in my life to actually hold
on to the shield twice.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
What were you playing? Did you try and pinch it?
Speaker 14 (30:33):
No? No, no no no. Where I work, I was
lucky enough to was delivered to the when North Harbor one.
At first they brought it around to the school that
I worked at and we had our photos taken when
it was some of the teams. And the second time
was a time when my cat I won it and
(30:53):
it was at the field days down and in Mystery Creek. Yeah,
I've done. I was never good enough to play and
that that sort of one thing. I wasn't big enough.
Speaker 13 (31:09):
But when it comes to the Shield and when it
comes to smaller provinces who actually managed to pick this
things up, there's a smatching and players for all of
those teams that get good enough to play at that level.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
But they're not super players. They're not all black players.
They're balanced, they're hard working locals. Again, they ever cracking
the game of rugby and they get that opportunity to
play superstars.
Speaker 14 (31:30):
It's awesome they't, but it's got to keep going. It's
I don't watch them on TV, but I always listen
to every game that's running on with all the n
PC on the radio, it on your sister's station, and
that's it's bloody good to listen to. It really is.
It's bloody good football, and I hope it doesn't go away.
(31:55):
I'm getting up in age now, but yeah, I've listened
to it all of my I did play rugby when
I was younger, but I was never good enough to
get up into the high stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
So it's essential. But it's just how it's managed and
how it's operated and how much it costs. Because you
can't keep sinking money into something it's never going to
show a return. But also you can't expect a return
or a healthy return or a big return on something.
It's so vital to the health of New Zealand rugby
when it comes to playing stocks interesting balance a Sean,
(32:33):
how are you?
Speaker 4 (32:35):
That's bad?
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Hey Barons?
Speaker 4 (32:37):
That was mighty stuff. We're down here on ankey. So
if Mark Robertson doesn't listen to that, next time you
get him on and you need to. So what's is
planning for the backboard of rural Robbie?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Well, how goods Neil Barnes? What he had to say? No,
nothing great there smashed straight through to it's exactly what
he thinks. It's difficult to disagree with him.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
You, yeah, exactly. So like I watched Mid Canterbury and
that Rural Heartland Robbie match, mighty stuff that there, there's
your factory coming through for the future and it progresses
from there. So you have to you have to. So
you get the next time you get them out on
(33:18):
Robertson and say what's the planet? But you have to
save it. Have a super MPC in the story you
know you have, and have your big flashy cities for
international matches.
Speaker 7 (33:29):
We'll keep it.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Rule bring to the small rural area and there's your support.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
But what sorry, bring big international matches to the small
rural areas that I'm as huge.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
No, keep your international matches for your big cities, big.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Cities like Tokyo, Boston. I don't want to keep near.
You all love the NPC and we love what it brings,
but I think we understand that super rugby is the
vital bridge between that international rugby. You can't have everything.
It's not possible. Manage this is I won't say it's
(34:11):
an impossible dream, because it can be done. And I
think what we've seen with the MPC is there is
a a desire, there is a thirst for this rugby
out there. It's how it's presented, it's how it's managed,
it's where it's staged, it's how it's refereed. Who climbs
into it. And I just don't think the success of
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MPC can be judged purely on viewing numbers. That's insane.
There are so many more aspects had to be taken
into and I think if you look at the MPC
this year, a number of those markers have been hit.
It's been great rugby. Coming up next, Kenneth ruthervid Formuelling
Test cricket skipper joins us to find out what's going
(34:56):
on tomorrow when the black Caps line up against the Indians.
Who's playing? How are they going to get it? Who
are the other seamers, whatever's at the top of the order.
Can we beat them? Is it going to be a
great excuse to set up all night and watch TV? Yes,
it is. I can answer that one. Ken rather than
coming up next to the news talks, he'd be fifteen
(35:18):
away from peace.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
He Now you see they have been Woodoch from Los
Angeles water Hell.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
We'll join now in sports talker by former New Zealander
cricket the skipper Ken At Rutherford. Looking towards the three
Test series in India doesn't come much more difficult than this, now,
does it? Kenneth taking on the Indians in their own backyard.
What a time to be alive.
Speaker 7 (35:43):
No, it's going to be.
Speaker 6 (35:44):
It's going to be absolutely great viewing, isn't it. It's
looking near the last five to seven years to Arci
have been probably the standard bearer of Test match cricket
teams around the world, along with Australia of course. And look,
I think there's a tougher assignment. They're playing India in
India and that probably goes back thirty forty years or
some great tales actually, Darcy of the nineteen seventy six
(36:07):
tour of India and Pakistan. I think they're as those
guys Jumbo Eners and the Boys and Mark Burgess and
Jeff Howarth and et cetera, et cetera, and some of
those tales in those days. It's all changed now they've
got fancy hotels and things like that, and don't bother
too much with issues around the water and the food.
It's all pretty consumable these days. But the challenge of
actually going out there on that twenty two yard roll
(36:30):
strip of clay were devoid of any grass. Really, that
change is still the same. It's it's probably unique to
to will cricket.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
I can't work out for the life of me who
they pick. There've been adjustments and changes. We've got no Williamson.
I've just heard as well that Duffy is coming in
for sears not that I believe they would have played anyway,
But look at that side.
Speaker 6 (36:56):
What do you do?
Speaker 2 (36:57):
How do you piece that side together with the batting
and the spinning and the seam bowling. And does south
even make it so much to look at ken?
Speaker 7 (37:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (37:04):
There is, and look at your viewpoint, and our listener's
viewpoints are probably as merited. Quite frankly, I'm not sure
I can add too much to it, other than to
say I guess there's a selector. You've got to look
at certain parameters. And one of the parameters I might
look at and place more important than others is the
fact that certain players have played recently and others haven't.
(37:27):
So when you're looking at someone like a Will Young
or a Mark Chapman, you might look and see what
their recent form is like, and it's probably pretty similar
in that they haven't been playing a lot of crickets.
So it's probably a bit of a toss of the
coin there. But you'd like to think that Will Young
would get a chance. He's a bit of an unlucky
in his career, really, Darcy. He's probably a guy who
when there's a brilliant catch in the outfielder tends to
(37:49):
be him who's hit the ball to the fielder. He
hasn't add all the luck in the world. Chapman probably
a better player of spin bowling, maybe a better chance
in the middle of or to get a few against
the spinners. But I'll probably still go with Young. And
then you've got these whole other wide and very permutations
about it happens sort of from five, six, seven, eight
in the order. Do you play a guy like Michael
(38:10):
Brace or that Ravender will play. He'll probably better around
the four and five mark. Then Phillips will play. Do
you keep with Santana? I would have a view on that.
I can share that with you shortly. Do you play Saldi?
At least Timseli has been playing, but a cricket albeit
he looks a bit below parn and not really the
Saldi maybe two or three years ago.
Speaker 7 (38:28):
I'd agree with that.
Speaker 6 (38:30):
I think Henry has to play, so he'll clearly partner O'Rourke.
Obviously Pateao will play. Just that whole mix, that hole,
the whole the whole varied mix, and the permutations what
the selectors go for. Boy, I think it's easy to
find thirteen players to play, but to get it down
to your final eleven is going to be.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Tough, difficult with the semas. We just touch on that
with Salvie. If you run Henry, who's been the best
performed sceam bowler of the last few years, and he's
been desperately unlikely not about a punch's nose through the
likes of Bolton Salvey, you'd expect to be there. O'Rourke's
being the fine so far. Is there even room for
a third seema when you can that it maybe Mitchell
(39:07):
might be able to take up the attack there because
Saudi well, I don't want to compare him directly to
Mitchell when it comes to pace and the ability to
side through a batting attack. But he's not been great.
Speaker 7 (39:19):
He's on the way out, isn't he.
Speaker 6 (39:22):
Yeah, look, look, I'm not going to make any wide
spenning comment like you might have about Sui. I think
he deserves to sort of go out in his own time.
And look who knows when when we're playing England in
December at home on those green wickets we know which
he enjoys at the base reserve and Hagley and Seddon
Park too might come back to a bit of form.
(39:45):
The One thing that also be kind of soft arcy
is a little bit lower order batting. So if you've
got a SEALTHI playing with Henry O'Rourke and Ajs Pateowl,
that means your tale really is starting from about eight
and the order. And we see in India often over
and over again the imporance of lower order run. So
I mean playing a test match actually at the venue
in ninety eighty eight where Danny Morrison believe we're not
(40:07):
on a partnership, which really won us a test match
with Andrew James. James he played out of his skin
and got about eighty old and the second and set
us up to win that game. And lower order runs
in those conditions, even it's just getting a twenty off
about fifty or sixty balls and then putting on a
partnership with a better player, those runs can be very,
very vital. I don't think they'll play three specialist seemas.
(40:30):
I think they will keep with Mitchell Sander. They like
Mitchell he does. They have that sort of balance and
provide a bit of betting and all around skill in
the side. But I say the permutations are many and varied,
and good luck working it.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Out Ken Rutherford forming Zellan's test Skipper joins us because
of course if you and are like had a go
at Tim Saldy, it'll be all over the newspapers. So
I think you've been very very wise by not saying anything.
It doesn't matter what I say. I'm just a sports broadcast.
I think we all wish the best for Tim Sowvey,
but he's just been he's just been on the on
(41:08):
the Wayne. I suppose, Look, let's get away from him.
Phillips has probably been the outstanding player along with o'
rourke so far. What do we get from the south,
the Sri Lankan leg of this to if anything, How
do they develop from there? What do they pick up?
What do they leave behind?
Speaker 6 (41:26):
Well, i've heard some comments from Tom Latham instead, didn't
I Mesu? You heard Sam Well speak on radio as well,
And they're all preaching on the same home book in
terms of their lastenings. Beth havings we had in Sri
Lanka where we've seen again a few of the guys
got a few runs. Look, it was a losing situation.
There wasn't really a lot of pressure on the fellows,
so I wouldn't overestimate the value of that particular betting performance.
(41:49):
But at least they have on this they have had
the son on their backs and they've played in those
conditions which are fairly similar to what they're going to
be confronted with at Bengaluru. So that'll be the major thing. Look,
I agree with you about Phillips. He's a guy who
he's impressive, bets well enough. I think even he would
(42:10):
admit there's a few more bets to come out of
his willow and then in the next few months hopefully
than have been the case recently. But his bowling surprised me.
And there were various times during the Slank and Serious
Darcy where Phillips is the best on show in terms
of bowling. And yeah, he's really a part time isn't he?
(42:30):
As Bony warriors me a little bit. And he's quite
wide in the crease and that might take the lbwl
the equation, But he turns the ball, he's quite tidy.
He can quite defensively or he can give a real
ripping bowl quite nicely with some feelers around the bat.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Awesome, KNA, thanks very much, got to cut you Off've
got to go. Thanks for your time. You can't call
Phillips a part timer. You do it bristles him and
he says, hold my beer and rips through in order.
So I'm looking forward to it Sutting tomorrow. This is
News Talks ABM Darcy water Grave and you don't thank
you very much for your time.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
Here we go again, six minutes up seven. It's a
Tuesday evening, fifteenth of October twenty twenty four. Good evening.
My name is Darcy Waldgrave, who it's corected.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Me back.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
After five days of the Gold Coast not bear ragging
or boosting. Still got the same heartless, soulless fields already
had that, but the fun parks were great and the
discount malls were fantastic and spending a week with my
daughter was ebsol goal. But now I'm back in the
hot seat. Thank you Nick Beauley for looking after the
(01:12):
audience right though through the time I was away. I'm
fully fit, focused and ready to go. Looking forward to tonight.
Your calls over one hundred and eighty ten eighty three
phone number nationwide. You can text nine two nine two
ZBZB standard text charge does apply there. Tonight we'll talk
a wee bit of cricket. Ken Rutherford Formert New Zealand
(01:33):
at Test Skipper joins us looking ahead to the black
Caps first Test of three up against India gets underway
tomorrow afternoon. What chance are they and who are the
scene is going to be. In fact, what is the
team gonna even look like? No one knows, no idea.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
We've got no.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Williamson, we've got a new captain, we've got several seamers
we're kind of squeeze into maybe a couple of roles.
We'll get the opinions of Ken Rutherford, who should know
wee bit about the strange comings and goings of Test cricket.
But we're gonna kick things off with head coach of
Taranaki Neil Barnes. How good's the NPC season been this year?
(02:11):
It has been, hasn't it right? I'd argue with me.
When I got back from OS, I spent the weekend
watching Supercars, Batist and four fantastic games of NPC rugby.
I think it's been a great season. So we're gonna
find out from Neil Barnes, the Taranaki head coach. He's
probably a little dark on by losing one point to
(02:31):
the like, I thought exactly why it was so good?
If indeed it was so good, what made it a
season to cherish? And then we'll get you on mine
L eight hundred eighty ten eighty It was worth a
yard Bayan. Yes, it's a competition worth saving, right, because
when they start doing the broadcast rights again, is it
(02:54):
looking cactus? I don't know. Should they continue to go
on with this wonderful competition after the year that we've
had your thoughts on our eight hundred eighty ten eighty
and it's coming shortly, but before that, let's do what
we normally do at this time on a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,
Friday night and today it's the one Kiey Hotchew. Liam
(03:19):
Lawson comes back to Formula one this weekend. He's carrying
a part in gift though from the driver he usurped,
Daniel Ricardo. It's a ten place grid penalty. Red Bull
Boss meanly says that's Christian Horner. It's a soft reentry.
Liam Lawson says, yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
I want to have the best possible opportunity yet performing
And you could look at it like, yes, there's less
pressure because I know that I'm starting off the back
of the grid. But at the same time, as a driver,
you want to have the best opportunity possible and I
know that that's going to hinder me for the race.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, let's be honest about it. Christian Horne is not
a fan, so you want pale. Here comes Liam new
Auckland FC skipper HURROCKI Sucke intends on leading the A
League newbies with actions not words. Well, I said, my
English is not for entry, so I just shoulder performance.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
My performance it's most important on dateenth, so I shoulder
on the pitch for young pri as.
Speaker 7 (04:16):
I don't know. I thought support as well.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
The White fans got a tunnel this morning. Semi final
the T twenty Women's World Cups out next after the
team laid Pakistan to waste. Skipper Sophie divine.
Speaker 8 (04:29):
You results haven't gone our way leading into this tournament,
but I think the thing that I'm most proud of
is captain of the side. Is that we've stuck with
the processes, and we've stuck with the belief of this group,
and we know that when we get things right, we
can be any team on their day.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
And the Rooney Zell and Yacht Squadrons. America's Cup entry
Taijuro is slowly pulling away from the English entry. Britannia
leading fort nil in the first to seven exchange, but
helmsman Pete Burling is focused or is he still just
carrying baggage from San Francisco. We're illusions.
Speaker 9 (05:02):
We're gonna keep pushing right till the end, and none
of us feel a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
We're we're up at the moment. We're just gone to
charging through cool votes. And that's sport today. The NPC
is almost at a close. There are a couple of
fixtures to go. And I'm sure that our next guest
that Neil Barnes would love it if he was involved
part of the coaching staff or the coach, should I
(05:26):
say of the Taranaki side. Unfortunately EDGs by Wakathal over
the week and not to be there, Neil, welcome to
the program, I suppose, first and foremost from your point
of view, not taking into account the results, has this
been a more successful MPC than on previous years.
Speaker 10 (05:44):
It's successful in the fact that I think the competition
has been really, really close. There's not too many games
during the week that you can say, oh, Sanso's going
to beat him, mate. We've had upsets glare all the
way through, exciting, high scoring games that have gone to
the wire. It's entertainment that the public want, so yeah, yeah,
(06:06):
it's been really pleasing.
Speaker 7 (06:08):
From what i've seen.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Anything you put that down to, particularly because you look
at a number of parameters. You look at obviously how
difficult it is to pick. You look at the grounds
that they go to, some big, some small, other style
of play, the way the referee is engaging that there's
a number of different varieties there isn't it.
Speaker 7 (06:28):
Yeah, And there's a whole heap of things go to
make a good competition.
Speaker 10 (06:31):
You just mentioned one of the referees, and I take
my hat off to Chris Pollock and his team. They've
worked really hard to come up with things that they're
focusing on which will help our game to be a
better product for people.
Speaker 7 (06:43):
To watch, rather than so much stop start. So that's
one thing too.
Speaker 10 (06:47):
I think a lot of real provinces are returning to
their own people, working hard on their communities to bring
through their own talent, which is what EPC is there for.
And it becomes, i suppose, at the end of the day,
way more connected when you're using your own people, and
that gives you that tribal thing, isn't it. So people
will go to the bloody depths for their own province.
Speaker 7 (07:09):
So there's a whole lot of factors in there.
Speaker 10 (07:11):
Really rapped with a lot of a lot of coaches
are adopting a way more attacking mindset now, which is
a joy to watch and a joy for the players
to plan.
Speaker 7 (07:20):
So, like I said, it's pleasing to see.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Has there been any edict atoll from Rugby, Zellan and
up top saying we'd like this, we want this, or
has this been more of a case of an organic
way of developing these teams at that level.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
No, there's been no direction from the top.
Speaker 10 (07:37):
It's more like when you watch other teams be successful
doing something, you're more likely to go and have a
cracket that yourself and hope it works for you. That's
a natural concept. And I think you know what we
showed last year, we want it. We didn't have a
care free attitude, but we certainly gave the ball a
lot more ere than most. And yeah, and a lot
of people are adopting that type of attitude at the moment.
(07:59):
So defense has dominated our game for a long time,
and I'd like to think people are trying different things
now to expose the defense and it'll continue to adjust.
But that's all part and passerl of what keeps the
game interesting.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
And there's a lot of this Neil at the feed
as you mentioned before, of the rest willing to let
things'd say, let things go, but understand flow a little
more and be part of that that dynamic product. There's
a lot to do with them.
Speaker 7 (08:23):
Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 10 (08:25):
So you probably haven't got the level of referees and
the tmos and assistant referees and all that sort of thing.
So they've lessened those roles and the impact they have
on the game. But at the same time, you get
less accuracy inside the game, so as coaches you have
to suck it up.
Speaker 7 (08:40):
There's going to be mistakes out there.
Speaker 10 (08:42):
But the public get to watch a game that has
a lot more float to it, so we all want
to see more accurate decisions. But everyone's human. You can't
see everything on the field. So I take my head
off to the referees. They've done a fine job this year,
and like I said, the guidance they get from above
is really important.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
In that scene, you said tribal O'Neill Barns, and I
think that's very interesting. It's back in back in my day.
Listen to me, sounded like I'm seventy plus. That's what
it was. People from your school and your district. You
said no directive from upstairs. So why do you think
the NPC sides are basically coming back to their own
local product. Where does that come from?
Speaker 10 (09:18):
Oh again, I suppose people look at what other people
have done for the last three years.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
To get in our side.
Speaker 10 (09:23):
You have tosuely play club rugby in our province and
show you better than.
Speaker 7 (09:26):
Our local people, where before that there.
Speaker 10 (09:29):
Was a mindset we'll go and get someone better from
outside because we want to win the competition.
Speaker 7 (09:33):
Well, we still want to win the competition.
Speaker 10 (09:34):
But I'd like to think when you get out in
your community and do a lot more work in the
coaching side of things, you'll see some talent and you
try and grow that. If you have an understanding that
NPC is only semi professional, these are amateur players. A
lot of them that give three months off get three
months off work to come be a professional and show
their weirs in front of the super franchises to try
(09:55):
and pick up a professional contract. And that's our job
is to unearthed talent to give them an opportunity to
plan on level playing field with or the superboys that
come back and see how they go to that end,
I think it's been very successful.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
And they're watching, aren't they The super coaches aren't paying
it lip service. They want to see the next big thing.
I think every season you find a player, people go wow,
where did he come from? So that's working, that step
is working.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
Yeah, that's what a pathway should look like.
Speaker 10 (10:24):
I'd like to see even more contracts left open at
super level for emerging talent. At the moment, there's probably
still a bit of a rush to secure who they.
Speaker 7 (10:34):
Think the talent are.
Speaker 10 (10:35):
But yeah, I'd love to see some rules in place
for each super franchise where they have to have X
number of positions open and that the home franchise would
get first shot at their local talent, and then if
they weren't picked up by then the others could pick
them up. That way, there's a pathway for NPC players
to get super bit.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (10:54):
I don't see too many positions opened late in the piece.
A lot of them already been secured, so yeah, that
would make it even better.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Neil Barnes, what about the all black involvement. No, we
haven't got the ad rock stars, but the fact they're
getting filtered back every week, how good's that? For the product.
Speaker 7 (11:12):
Yeah, it was awesome.
Speaker 10 (11:14):
I've always been a big believer that if everyone works
in unison, if there's respect for all levels of the
rugby and you have your programs to suit, and so
I'm well aware when you have all black programs running
while EMPSS is going. But at the same time, all
the all Blacks need rugby, so you want them back.
Speaker 7 (11:29):
That's what the public want to see.
Speaker 10 (11:31):
They want to see a connection back to their provinces
that they played for, and that increases your crowds and
interest side of it. It allows all Blacks to kind
of play alongside your MPC player and they pass on
stuff all the time.
Speaker 7 (11:42):
That's where you get your growth.
Speaker 10 (11:44):
So all of that stuff is like there's a natural
integration of those people and all the skills and the
knowledge that they have for us. Having Stephen Petifetter back
and Josh Lawd back for a while, how good.
Speaker 7 (11:55):
They just pass on so much to the younger guys.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
What about the grounds. I've really enjoyed watching these teams
play at smaller grounds. It's given such a sense of
community in the fact that you're there. It feels like
from TV land, but from a coaching point of view,
when you're playing at smaller grounds all over the nation,
how good is that?
Speaker 10 (12:17):
Well, it just adds to the atmosphere. I mean not many
of the royal provinces have that problem. But if you're
playing in the big smokes, the last thing you want
to do is be in a concrete jungle when there's
no one there. So for them to take their rugby
into the smaller grounds and get a bigger community involvement
gives a bit of atmosphere and people enjoy the entertainment.
But if you're sitting there with in one of those
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big grounds that can cater for twenty thirty thousand people
and it's only got bloody one thousand people, it's practically empty,
isn't it. But an atmosphere and a smaller ground with
a thousand people is way different.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
It is always a draw card. It never seems to
get tied the ran fairly shield and again what that
has created intertwined through the competition this year has been extraordinary.
Speaker 7 (13:01):
Yeah, and massive respect for it.
Speaker 10 (13:04):
Loved it When Hawks, Bay and Tasman have it like
they treat it with the respect that deserves. Their teams
get up for it, their part, come to support it.
I'd like to think next year we'll be able to
replicate that. Like we've had to put it away when
we're getting ready for our quarter, but the boys have
got it out of.
Speaker 7 (13:18):
The cupboard and they're carting around the community now.
Speaker 10 (13:20):
So yeah, it's massive for everybody.
Speaker 7 (13:24):
So y long, mate, continue.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Do you think this product that we've seen has saved
the MPC to a degree? Like, where do you see
it going from here? Because I've new broadcasting contracts in
the offering and the like, there may be some adjustments.
We know what it's like at that top level. So
do you think it's saved the product? What happens now?
Speaker 10 (13:45):
Well, like I said before, when you keep everything in balance,
the people that negotiate these deals, you need to give
it respect and market the competition as it should be
marketed in alignment with Super and International, and.
Speaker 7 (13:59):
Then you get a good balance product.
Speaker 10 (14:01):
But when you ignore it, that will be at your
detriment down the track, because the NPC is your breeding
ground for all your future talent for coaches and players,
and people need to understand that there's a feeling out
there at the moment they can take kids into academies
and grow them in the super franchises and then they'll.
Speaker 7 (14:17):
Make their X from there. Well, I say good luck
with that.
Speaker 10 (14:19):
To me, it's a crocod ship we got at the
moment has kept us at the top of the game
for songs.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
You don't need to change it, you just need to
respect it.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
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Speaker 2 (14:37):
It be Neil Barnes, the head coach of Taranaki and
not a lot of gray area. And what Neil had
to say about it summed up by that last line
I won't repeated. I might get hauled off to the
broadcasting standards folk, But that's great from Neil Barnes telling
us why it's been successful, why it's lifted, why the
quality is there, what has to happen next? Really enjoyable
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speaking with Neil Barnes direct quota a machine for So
this is worth saving this competition? You've been watching it,
you've gone along to the games, maybe you've watched some
highlights packages. You keep notice of it when you see
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it in the newspaper. Is it worth saving? The winds
that are pull out all stops to make sure it
carries on getting the complete TV coverage that it gets.
And I know it's pricey, but surely as Near was saying,
this is essential for the future strength of New Zealand rugby.
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That a competition Likenes focuses on the provinces, focusing on
developing young players and as he said, this is a pathway,
this is the journey, this is what it's all about.
And then from there you pop up into Super Rugbys.
Fascinated by what he had to say around moving to
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Super Rugby. From this, there needs, there needs to be
gaps and players need to have a way to follow.
I'm all over it. I think the competition is worth saving.
I think the tweaks and the adjustments. I think the
markers for success have been firm, they've been solid, and
there are a number of those markers. The quality of
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the product is the top engagement of the fans, even
if it's only at a small level. But when you
see a pat little ground, it says so much more
for the game than a vast, empty concrete jungle. And
that's work. Those little grounds have worked. The TV coverage
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is essential to me. It has to stay live, it
has to have not a potato filming. It has to
look good because you put it on TV and then
the youngsters see that and that's what they attempt to reach.
We've seen it in other sports when it's televised, it
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has import with the punters. They want to do it.
So it needs to stay how it is. The referees
need to stay doing exactly what they're doing, and it
needs to be focused much more on the provinces as
opposed to farming outside players so they can find a
route to super rugby. This is worth saving, This is
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showing wonderful signs of life. Tell me I'm wrong or not.
Plenty of markers for success. What's done it for you?
Why have you watched the NPC? Why do you want
to see it carry on or conversy? Why do you
want to take out the back and shoot it in
the back of the neck? You let me know. Oh,
eight hundred and eight ten eighty lines RPEN free phone
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nomin nationwide, twenty four minutes after seven. I think it's
been a successful season. I think it's had plenty of
wonderful markers and I think the future of New Zealand
rugby is in good hands of the MPC IS maintains
this News TALKSB Brugger drama.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
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Speaker 2 (18:55):
Eighty ten eighty lines open here at News Talk ZB.
Should the NPC being retain Should it carry on in
this current format? Would you mind if it just fizzles
away slowly? Bit surely the worst thing it could ever happen.
I'm not saying this is going to happen, but when
you look at the rescheduling and the sports broadcasting and
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what the contracts can, look at the sky and so
on and so forth, I'm sure that they'll be looking
at the value of the NPC and the amount of
money that it costs them to run that competition, trying
to work out of this is a good thing to
run with. Do we tweak it even more? I think
it's been great this year. I think it's shown us
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how valuable it is. And there are so many markers
there that I think have hit for me. A eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty lines are open text nineteen
nine two. That's sib z b A. Graham. You can't
talk all about the way Tasman got rolled and base
your entire conversation on that. But when you look at
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the MPC in general, hit the mark as it needs
to be retained.
Speaker 9 (20:06):
Or yeah, I wasn't going to just talk about that
actually see that by the way, because I know it's
terrible to be proud about your province. But yeah, no,
I agree with everything he said, and I want to
I've got a bit to say. It won't take too long,
but you know, I agree that this this thing is
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vital for New Zealand rugby. The MPC well, and I
think we've seen a revitalization at a number of levels.
Like people often thought that players weren't being brought through.
That's going straight to sleep for rugby franchises. And you've
seen I'm going to mention a Cannoby player Eiaac Hutchinson's
come through this year played never played for Cannary before
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and you know his highest point is well, I think
he might second highest points tour in the Cannoby team
and white the other young guys that the highest and
and those guys are coming through and they've got the
older guys and all the provinces that you've got Ryan
Crotty's and Cannon and others playing for Targo and Auckland
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who have played have been around, maybe been to Japan,
come back and you've ended up with a pot poory
of you know players and the competition has been great.
I mean, anyone could almost beat anyone. One or two.
You had a tough year, but everybody else was at
least to talk about how it was always Mike and
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Cannerby and Auckland and Wellington and then it hasn't been
like that for a long time because the shield's gone
around now. Tasmin got it worked for the first time.
Marlbury had it fifty odd years ago, but that was
groundbreaking and that's happening. That has been happening for a
long time. The shield mary go around, so it hadn't
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been stuck anywhere.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
The tribalism that Neil Barnes spoke of, which is something
I think all fans of New Zealand rugby looked toward
DPL for example, and go wow, I wish we had that.
But an NPC you do have that, and we've seen
that and there's been some close results, have been some
blowout results as well. On any given day you look
at what Cannibury achieved after they got blown away by.
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I mean, there's a lot to like about this, and
I think it's really really important to carry on in
this manner. I've enjoyed it. Hey, Pete, how are.
Speaker 11 (22:27):
You there going?
Speaker 12 (22:29):
No, it's definitely going to keep the the MPC going.
That's the roots of the rugby. And I know Mark Rominson,
was he talking about us? So I hit a room
that he'd well, maybe not that he does not really
worried about it anymore. What's the clown thinking about?
Speaker 2 (22:45):
You know, you shouldn't call him a clown? And I
even't actually heard that myself, Pete. But anyway, carry on,
but I reckon.
Speaker 12 (22:52):
That that's the roots of the rugby for the province
of Taranaki here, all the smaller towns, that's where that's
where I see about rugby players come from.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
It's at simple That's where your panel beaters are playing, right,
That's where your farm hands are playing. That's where the
people of your district are playing. And that drives such
passion which comes out on the park, right, Pete.
Speaker 12 (23:13):
That's dead right. You know, it's some people and their
farmers are busy and not of the you know, I
shouldn't say it, but a lot of the farmers they
got to milk the cows and stuff and not here
in Taranaki, and they got to get them to the game.
So they the closer. That town is where the farmers
and there are a living that's that's where they can
take their kids and watch them grow and watch them
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do better in rugby.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Does it matter that there are in some cases only
a few thousand people turning up to.
Speaker 11 (23:42):
The events, Well, some might.
Speaker 12 (23:45):
I think they get better turnouts than they do. And
sometimes in the cake then don't they see for rugby,
And that's some why they're not three big crowds there either.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I think too much is put on all the emphasis
is put too strongly on crowd numbers. It's a measure,
absolutely it is, and I'm sure it's an important part
of looking at the effectiveness of MPC rugby, but it
can't be based on the size of the crowd alone.
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I think that detracts from the point of having MPC rugby.
When you have it at smaller grounds and it looks
for it, that doesn't matter. You've got an engagement with
the crowd, with the community, with the province, and the players,
and that's what you want nihe Milner Scudder back in
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the day, where the hell did he come from out
of nowhere to end up being fantastic aullback albeit bref
with injuries through most of his career, but quite something else.
It's important. We'll run through a few texts around the
future of this competition and what needs to be done.
Can't carry on forever running exactly the same competition. There's
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always going to be tweaks and adjustments because it it
can't cost an absolute fortune and drag you Zealand Rugby
down with it. You can't get rid of it. It's very,
very very important. Some of your text here we go.
This is right up my aley. I love watching plumbers
and farmers playing rugby in the mp say as jars awesome,
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get it a super rugby. Then all the stars will
drop down and play for their MPC teams, bringing back
the fans in the current players in the NBC. I've
lost track of that text because it lost track of me.
But that's okay. I'm sure there's a lot in there, Mars.
You need to be more focused. This is probably quite relevant, Darcy.
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It is worth saving. But the costs of running it
need to come down. Smaller grounds are no TMO, less cameras,
and the provincial unions need to be mandated on both
club and NPC. Currently too heavily weighted to focus on
the MPC and the club suffers a national club competition
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somewhere in the mix. You can only have so much
rugby that it's funded, so you're working out where that
money goes and where it's best spent playing nets the
way it should be run. I don't know if the
provincial unions are entirely capable of that, and maybe it
needs to be managed at a higher level. But they
didn't like that very much, didn't you? So didn't they?
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So that didn't last a day? Man?
Speaker 11 (26:30):
How are you? I don't get run the super rog
mean pull the NPC that that time slot or that
period February through through you sort of July. You've got
your all legs playing at that time, so you're going
to have You're going to have the ability to pull
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more people to the games. You're going to have a
higher quality of game for people to watch. You're going
to bring those play. Those players will be around the
sixty five all legs that we see the head nowadays
playing in that in that period there at the moment
the NPC do all that home play at the NPC
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level and Lease it's a friend and they come back
from one or two weeks just to get fit.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Next level down. I suppose that the question is about
how much rugby can our top players be expected to
play without popping into pieces. So you've got to look
at that.
Speaker 11 (27:29):
If you get rid of the Super Rugby, they're going
to be playing the same amount of games or possibly
even lease.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Do you think I get a lot of people say that,
but I think when you can you generate the income
out of essentially a highly reved NPC competition as opposed
to Super Rugby, can you get the commercial engagement with
these little provinces all over the country unlike the focus
to get with Super Rugby. I don't know if commercial
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you could do that.
Speaker 11 (28:00):
Sorry, you have a conference system which was still involved
in the Australian teams. So you're not getting rid of
you're not getting you're getting rid of the Super Rugby
franchise and you're going back to the MPC franchise including
the Australian for four teams that they've going to or
five teams or whatever there's nowadays that they're going to
have and you can run a conference system.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
I think maybe there's a lot and Matt, I always
appreciate people's suggestions and thoughts and thanks very much for
joining us. But it's a lot of teams to manage.
I think when you have the focus on Super Rugby
franchise and it has managed from a central hub, it's
easier to commercialize, it's easier to promote. I think it
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needs to still be there to present to the major
companies to try and pick up some money. That's what
ms R have to do. I'm just talk about host.
They're not supposed about our answer at all. I think
in essence, the NPC is something we love to see
and we've seen that over the weekend. It was fantastic.
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This is Newstalk ZB your course coming up next to
one hundred and eighty ten to eighty. Mars is now
accusing me of baggering up as text stop drinking while
I'm at work. I don't drink water. Muzzle dies newsk
ZB ragted the backstreets and back.
Speaker 9 (29:26):
You know, I just want to live.
Speaker 13 (29:32):
Good Lord.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Wish nineteen away from eight sport Stalk Care and Newstalk
ZB eight hundred eighty ten to eighty always tweaks, always adjustments.
The NPC is vital and it's highly entertaining. It just
has to keep getting adjusted for the times, so no
one's losing hatfuls of money every time. That's why these
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smaller grounds are better. Just doesn't cost as much to
open them up. And if you think that one day
the NPC will be able to fill even park again,
you're on another planet. Whatever the head for breakfast, maybe
should feed me some of that too. A eight hundred
eighty ten eighty your calls coming in thus joins us
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now good even to.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Your buzz yeah you get them. I know you from
a long time ago when you were a night time
But I've been lucky in my life to actually hold
on to the shield twice.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
What were you playing? Did you try and pinch it?
Speaker 14 (30:33):
No? No, no no no. Where I work, I was
lucky enough to was delivered to the when North Harbor one.
At first they brought it around to the school that
I worked at and we had our photos taken when
it was some of the teams. And the second time
was a time when my cat I won it and
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it was at the field days down and in Mystery Creek. Yeah,
I've done. I was never good enough to play and
that that sort of one thing. I wasn't big enough.
Speaker 13 (31:09):
But when it comes to the Shield and when it
comes to smaller provinces who actually managed to pick this
things up, there's a smatching and players for all of
those teams that get good enough to play at that level.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
But they're not super players. They're not all black players.
They're balanced, they're hard working locals. Again, they ever cracking
the game of rugby and they get that opportunity to
play superstars.
Speaker 14 (31:30):
It's awesome they't, but it's got to keep going. It's
I don't watch them on TV, but I always listen
to every game that's running on with all the n
PC on the radio, it on your sister's station, and
that's it's bloody good to listen to. It really is.
It's bloody good football, and I hope it doesn't go away.
(31:55):
I'm getting up in age now, but yeah, I've listened
to it all of my I did play rugby when
I was younger, but I was never good enough to
get up into the high stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
So it's essential. But it's just how it's managed and
how it's operated and how much it costs. Because you
can't keep sinking money into something it's never going to
show a return. But also you can't expect a return
or a healthy return or a big return on something.
It's so vital to the health of New Zealand rugby
when it comes to playing stocks interesting balance a Sean,
(32:33):
how are you?
Speaker 4 (32:35):
That's bad?
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Hey Barons?
Speaker 4 (32:37):
That was mighty stuff. We're down here on ankey. So
if Mark Robertson doesn't listen to that, next time you
get him on and you need to. So what's is
planning for the backboard of rural Robbie?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Well, how goods Neil Barnes? What he had to say? No,
nothing great there smashed straight through to it's exactly what
he thinks. It's difficult to disagree with him.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
You, yeah, exactly. So like I watched Mid Canterbury and
that Rural Heartland Robbie match, mighty stuff that there, there's
your factory coming through for the future and it progresses
from there. So you have to you have to. So
you get the next time you get them out on
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Robertson and say what's the planet? But you have to
save it. Have a super MPC in the story you
know you have, and have your big flashy cities for
international matches.
Speaker 7 (33:29):
We'll keep it.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Rule bring to the small rural area and there's your support.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
But what sorry, bring big international matches to the small
rural areas that I'm as huge.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
No, keep your international matches for your big cities, big.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Cities like Tokyo, Boston. I don't want to keep near.
You all love the NPC and we love what it brings,
but I think we understand that super rugby is the
vital bridge between that international rugby. You can't have everything.
It's not possible. Manage this is I won't say it's
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an impossible dream, because it can be done. And I
think what we've seen with the MPC is there is
a a desire, there is a thirst for this rugby
out there. It's how it's presented, it's how it's managed,
it's where it's staged, it's how it's refereed. Who climbs
into it. And I just don't think the success of
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MPC can be judged purely on viewing numbers. That's insane.
There are so many more aspects had to be taken
into and I think if you look at the MPC
this year, a number of those markers have been hit.
It's been great rugby. Coming up next, Kenneth ruthervid Formuelling
Test cricket skipper joins us to find out what's going
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on tomorrow when the black Caps line up against the Indians.
Who's playing? How are they going to get it? Who
are the other seamers, whatever's at the top of the order.
Can we beat them? Is it going to be a
great excuse to set up all night and watch TV? Yes,
it is. I can answer that one. Ken rather than
coming up next to the news talks, he'd be fifteen
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away from peace.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
He Now you see they have been Woodoch from Los
Angeles water Hell.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
We'll join now in sports talker by former New Zealander
cricket the skipper Ken At Rutherford. Looking towards the three
Test series in India doesn't come much more difficult than this, now,
does it? Kenneth taking on the Indians in their own backyard.
What a time to be alive.
Speaker 7 (35:43):
No, it's going to be.
Speaker 6 (35:44):
It's going to be absolutely great viewing, isn't it. It's
looking near the last five to seven years to Arci
have been probably the standard bearer of Test match cricket
teams around the world, along with Australia of course. And look,
I think there's a tougher assignment. They're playing India in
India and that probably goes back thirty forty years or
some great tales actually, Darcy of the nineteen seventy six
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tour of India and Pakistan. I think they're as those
guys Jumbo Eners and the Boys and Mark Burgess and
Jeff Howarth and et cetera, et cetera, and some of
those tales in those days. It's all changed now they've
got fancy hotels and things like that, and don't bother
too much with issues around the water and the food.
It's all pretty consumable these days. But the challenge of
actually going out there on that twenty two yard roll
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strip of clay were devoid of any grass. Really, that
change is still the same. It's it's probably unique to
to will cricket.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
I can't work out for the life of me who
they pick. There've been adjustments and changes. We've got no Williamson.
I've just heard as well that Duffy is coming in
for sears not that I believe they would have played anyway,
But look at that side.
Speaker 6 (36:56):
What do you do?
Speaker 2 (36:57):
How do you piece that side together with the batting
and the spinning and the seam bowling. And does south
even make it so much to look at ken?
Speaker 7 (37:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (37:04):
There is, and look at your viewpoint, and our listener's
viewpoints are probably as merited. Quite frankly, I'm not sure
I can add too much to it, other than to
say I guess there's a selector. You've got to look
at certain parameters. And one of the parameters I might
look at and place more important than others is the
fact that certain players have played recently and others haven't.
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So when you're looking at someone like a Will Young
or a Mark Chapman, you might look and see what
their recent form is like, and it's probably pretty similar
in that they haven't been playing a lot of crickets.
So it's probably a bit of a toss of the
coin there. But you'd like to think that Will Young
would get a chance. He's a bit of an unlucky
in his career, really, Darcy. He's probably a guy who
when there's a brilliant catch in the outfielder tends to
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be him who's hit the ball to the fielder. He
hasn't add all the luck in the world. Chapman probably
a better player of spin bowling, maybe a better chance
in the middle of or to get a few against
the spinners. But I'll probably still go with Young. And
then you've got these whole other wide and very permutations
about it happens sort of from five, six, seven, eight
in the order. Do you play a guy like Michael
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Brace or that Ravender will play. He'll probably better around
the four and five mark. Then Phillips will play. Do
you keep with Santana? I would have a view on that.
I can share that with you shortly. Do you play Saldi?
At least Timseli has been playing, but a cricket albeit
he looks a bit below parn and not really the
Saldi maybe two or three years ago.
Speaker 7 (38:28):
I'd agree with that.
Speaker 6 (38:30):
I think Henry has to play, so he'll clearly partner O'Rourke.
Obviously Pateao will play. Just that whole mix, that hole,
the whole the whole varied mix, and the permutations what
the selectors go for. Boy, I think it's easy to
find thirteen players to play, but to get it down
to your final eleven is going to be.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Tough, difficult with the semas. We just touch on that
with Salvie. If you run Henry, who's been the best
performed sceam bowler of the last few years, and he's
been desperately unlikely not about a punch's nose through the
likes of Bolton Salvey, you'd expect to be there. O'Rourke's
being the fine so far. Is there even room for
a third seema when you can that it maybe Mitchell
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might be able to take up the attack there because
Saudi well, I don't want to compare him directly to
Mitchell when it comes to pace and the ability to
side through a batting attack. But he's not been great.
Speaker 7 (39:19):
He's on the way out, isn't he.
Speaker 6 (39:22):
Yeah, look, look, I'm not going to make any wide
spenning comment like you might have about Sui. I think
he deserves to sort of go out in his own time.
And look who knows when when we're playing England in
December at home on those green wickets we know which
he enjoys at the base reserve and Hagley and Seddon
Park too might come back to a bit of form.
(39:45):
The One thing that also be kind of soft arcy
is a little bit lower order batting. So if you've
got a SEALTHI playing with Henry O'Rourke and Ajs Pateowl,
that means your tale really is starting from about eight
and the order. And we see in India often over
and over again the imporance of lower order run. So
I mean playing a test match actually at the venue
in ninety eighty eight where Danny Morrison believe we're not
(40:07):
on a partnership, which really won us a test match
with Andrew James. James he played out of his skin
and got about eighty old and the second and set
us up to win that game. And lower order runs
in those conditions, even it's just getting a twenty off
about fifty or sixty balls and then putting on a
partnership with a better player, those runs can be very,
very vital. I don't think they'll play three specialist seemas.
(40:30):
I think they will keep with Mitchell Sander. They like
Mitchell he does. They have that sort of balance and
provide a bit of betting and all around skill in
the side. But I say the permutations are many and varied,
and good luck working it.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Out Ken Rutherford forming Zellan's test Skipper joins us because
of course if you and are like had a go
at Tim Saldy, it'll be all over the newspapers. So
I think you've been very very wise by not saying anything.
It doesn't matter what I say. I'm just a sports broadcast.
I think we all wish the best for Tim Sowvey,
but he's just been he's just been on the on
(41:08):
the Wayne. I suppose, Look, let's get away from him.
Phillips has probably been the outstanding player along with o'
rourke so far. What do we get from the south,
the Sri Lankan leg of this to if anything, How
do they develop from there? What do they pick up?
What do they leave behind?
Speaker 6 (41:26):
Well, i've heard some comments from Tom Latham instead, didn't
I Mesu? You heard Sam Well speak on radio as well,
And they're all preaching on the same home book in
terms of their lastenings. Beth havings we had in Sri
Lanka where we've seen again a few of the guys
got a few runs. Look, it was a losing situation.
There wasn't really a lot of pressure on the fellows,
so I wouldn't overestimate the value of that particular betting performance.
(41:49):
But at least they have on this they have had
the son on their backs and they've played in those
conditions which are fairly similar to what they're going to
be confronted with at Bengaluru. So that'll be the major thing. Look,
I agree with you about Phillips. He's a guy who
he's impressive, bets well enough. I think even he would
(42:10):
admit there's a few more bets to come out of
his willow and then in the next few months hopefully
than have been the case recently. But his bowling surprised me.
And there were various times during the Slank and Serious
Darcy where Phillips is the best on show in terms
of bowling. And yeah, he's really a part time isn't he?
(42:30):
As Bony warriors me a little bit. And he's quite
wide in the crease and that might take the lbwl
the equation, But he turns the ball, he's quite tidy.
He can quite defensively or he can give a real
ripping bowl quite nicely with some feelers around the bat.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Awesome, KNA, thanks very much, got to cut you Off've
got to go. Thanks for your time. You can't call
Phillips a part timer. You do it bristles him and
he says, hold my beer and rips through in order.
So I'm looking forward to it Sutting tomorrow. This is
News Talks ABM Darcy water Grave and you don't thank
you very much for your time.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
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