October 22, 2024 • 43 mins
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Colin Smith - Sports television rights expert - On the NZR and Sky TV deal.
Elliott Smith - On the All Blacks team naming in Japan.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Waldgrave
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Good evening, Welcome to Sports Talk six minutes after seven
one a Tuesday night, October twenty two.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
It is twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
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the program today. Elliott Smith joins us from Japan. He's
shut over there to cover the All Blacks not only
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for Japan, but the next four test matches after that.
Great work if you can get it. Elliott joins us
to talk about that squad naming, the ridiculously early squad naming.
Why it was named so early? Who's playing couple of debutimes?
What about the new skipper?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
How fat's that pack?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Oh my lord, it's nearly ton of it, I tell you,
He joins us. Later on the piece, we're going to
hit the ground running with Colin Smith flaming at our
feet though support Sports Television Rights consultant from Global Media
and Sports former TV rights advisor to New Zealand Rugby.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
You would have heard him on the program for.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Before talking about one of the most dynamic areas in sports.
That's the rights in New Zealand Rugby and Sky TV
are looking at a deal now. It's going to work
out if NJR provide the games itself with the status
quo continue, Who stands to lose the most, who stands
to gain the most? Either of them stand to win
or lose anything. We'll find out more with Colin Smith.
(02:05):
He joins us sure before that, though, let's get amongst.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
This today and sport today.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Patrick till He has been given the captaincy for this
weekend's Test against Japan Stoic. Beyond expectations, the Big Fella
aka Paddy till Ups.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Didn't smother the coach with kisses for the role.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Scott Robertson explains, why, man, what happened?
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (02:30):
The first thing is you need Mona and the group
and Patrick's got penny of that. He's meant a few
words when I asked him. He didn't say timmy words
at all when but you could tell how how pleased
and honored he was.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
What do you want me to do? Cuddle you?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Thanks cheers, I'm your Paddy was her resident Newcastle Knights
hooker and half Phoenix. Crossland could have been lost to
the black Jumper with the white v after his parents
shot across the ditch when he was a young fella,
but he chose to you know, a good man. You know,
my family would never forgive me if I didn't have
played for the Kiwis. I think it's I feel better
as as a person individually, and you know, looking at
(03:06):
my I'll have resembled them on So the Weed Boss,
Silver Fair and the Maddi Green is philosophical about the
Constellation Cup series tiebreaker change. All tied up after game four.
It's seven minutes each way for the title.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
So when I first heard about it, I was like, oh,
this could really work in our favor because we always
ended up too too and our goal difference is always
the lowest, so I was.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Like, oh great.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
But then obviously we had that flow out in the
first game.
Speaker 7 (03:35):
I was like, done.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Maybe the gold difference would have worked for us. Conspiracy
written all over it, and Chris would keep scoring goals.
He hoofters fifth in This Morning for the season for Nottingham.
That a match winning strike meant little to the soon
to be pops almighty.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
I think it's twelve thirteen weeks and we find out
where we're pregnant or my wife's pregnant.
Speaker 7 (03:57):
So it's fantastic that we can hopefully welcome a little
goal into our world.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
And that's Sport Today, Team past seven and it is
on a Tuesday night, Tuesday evening, Sunday outside or say Tuesday.
Colin Smith to join us shortly. The rights situation between
the New Zealand Rugby and Sky is at an interesting stage.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
It is finally balanced, remembering, of.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Course Sky picked up the rights last time after a
challenge from the brand new Spark TV. He paid through
the nose for the rights one hundred million dollars a
year and they don't want to do it again, which
is understandable in saying that ends that I have one
Hallahala product and it may just be keeping Sky alive
(04:43):
and afloat. They don't want to take much less than
that figure, so now they meet the negotiations begin. This
is a key product in any PayTV lineup and any
satellite lineup is a great piece of company to keep
in the all blacks. But who benefits who doesn't, how
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far does it go and what are the considerations between
both of these parties. Sports TV rights consultant from Global
Media and Sport and former TV rights advisors to New
Zealand Rugby Colin Smith joins us. Now, so what happens here, Colin?
Who's got the upper hand in these negotiations? Sky or
New Zealand Rugby And.
Speaker 6 (05:23):
Welcome all very well indeed and great to chat to you.
It's a really interesting question. You look at New Zealand,
rugby is and has been the most popular sport by
a long long way. Frankly, it's close to being a
one sport country. I'm not taking away the Olympics or cricket,
but it is the key driver. The challenge is what
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they are paying is a very significant amount of money
and probably in hindsight Sky would probably regret what they
offered and what New Zealand Rugby accepted. So it's close
to being a standoff. So Sky definitely would want to
continue with rugby. I note that they've done the deal
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with World Rugby for the next two World Cups and
including women's rugby as well and rugby seven's, so they've
got a stable of rugby but the question is what
about the coverage of the Rugby Championship and Super Rugby.
The other challenge is the viewership numbers of those are
not strong as they used to be.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Who needs who more? Do you think when you look
at this.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
You would argue that both need each other because there
is not an alternative in New Zealand unless a streaming
an international streaming service like a The Zone or an
Amazon or an Apple came in, you wouldn't expect a
tvn Z or somebody else to come in and bid
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for those rights.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
So they need each other.
Speaker 6 (06:58):
But the problem is the numbers are not a lot
weaker than they were when they did this deal. And
it's mutual, but at what price is at mutual? And
we're seeing this same challenge elsewhere in the world. This
is not just peculiar to New Zealand. It's an issue
in France and it's there and it has been an
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issue in England as well.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
If INSI are went to somewhere like Amazon or Dezone
or something similar, would that be a success for them,
because I feel calm, The issue here is comfort in
the consumers and.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
The platform they use.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
This would be an abrupt change for a lot of
the people who spend the money on Sky, would they
click to it?
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Would it work for ins in are well?
Speaker 6 (07:45):
See that the challenge for a desone, or even for
that matter, an Amazon is because Sky has been quite
smart and done the deal with World Rugby. It means
all the World Cups, Rugby sevens, Women's Rugby are going
to be on Sky, so it means you'll need both services.
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That makes it more challenging for New Zealand Rugby to
maximize its rights value. And I'm certain at the table
Sky would be wanting to do a very significant reduction
where I'm certain that the New Zealand Rugby commercial with
wanting to grow at northwards, which I don't think is
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likely even with an alternate partner.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
When it comes to just the rugby itself that I
mentioned the word whip hand before the All Blacks playing tests.
That is it everything else around, which is what ends
it Our plus have been attempting to do around complimentary product.
It kind of pails, doesn't it. It's not what the
punter is after.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
Well, and the other problem is you're exactly right, But
the other problem is super Rugby is not what it
used to be it's significantly less. And an interesting statistic
for your listeners is that if a live game of
NRL the New Zealand Warriors playing in New Zealand against
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another team outrates a Super Rugby game played also in
New Zealand. Now, I would never have expected that, but
that's real today, So that Super Rugby is not as
good as it used to be. Australia is a poor performer.
And then also the All Blacks aren't the powerhouse they were,
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so South Africa and Ireland are the dominant countries. Its
viewership is not as strong and therefore, going to market
when you're not as strong and your feeder competition and
including provincial rugby is challenged, makes it very difficult for
them to be able to justify the prices they're getting,
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all the rights they're paying, the Sky's paying to New
Zealand rugby.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Joined by Colin Smith, Sports broadcasting consultant SkyTV. Would SkyTV
go under if they lost the rugby? If ends it
are and silver Lake started playing hardball and took it.
What a fit that have on Sky as a company.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Could they last?
Speaker 6 (10:17):
It would be challenging for them, but they could double
down with trying to get the extra NRL team who
played in christ Church to have a second team so
they have a game every week. The challenge is also
if the deal's not done, this is financially very challenging
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for New Zealand Rugby as well. If they don't, if
they can't get near the price what is it rememored
to be about ninety eight million New Zealand dollars, That
will be a real challenge for their commercial entity and
their partners in silver Lake, So it's a problem for both.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Actually, how much has silver Lake got to do with this?
How much influence do you think they have? Because the
talkers maybe sixty mili from Sky maybe eighteen mil. They
signed on one hundred mil. When it comes to the
men who put the money in, are they hugely influential
silver Lake in the final decision?
Speaker 6 (11:16):
They're influential in the end game of how they maximize
their value. But right now no, and they're only a
minority shareholder in this, they're not a they don't have
the majority share.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Frankly, they're between a rock and a hard place. But
they need to.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
For New Zealand Rugby and the commercial side of New
Zealand Rugby. In other words, media rights and sponsorships etc.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
To grow.
Speaker 6 (11:43):
Now, if they don't grow, it's very hard for them
to be able to maximize their return. And the same
thing applies for the all the parties associated with New
Zealand Rugby, including the players. So it's got this has
got massive ramifications to the commercial entity that is New
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Zealand Rugby.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
I'm really interested Colin, and as always thanks for your
time and expertise about the ease of uptake for an
alternative platform. We've had problems here before. When Spark turned up,
people were slow to the technology. The technology probably wasn't
embedded by then. It's been a few years since. Is
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it a lot easier now for people to climb on board?
Is it becoming more second nature? Because there is resistance,
especially from the older generation. They want it on their skybox,
they want to how to turn it on and run
it and ease is king?
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Is that changing and time?
Speaker 6 (12:39):
Do you believe for young people it is changing back
For older generation and I'm saying though fifty plus they
are far more reticent to be getting another subscription for
another service and so therefore that can also be poor
for New Zealand Rugby because they don't get the same audience,
so there's a double whamy blow if they do this.
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And I think SkyTV New Zealand has been very smart
in doing the deal with World Rugby beforehand, so they've
secured what is the real mass watch in New Zealand
being the World Cups, which means that people are not
going to switch off from Sky anytime soon.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
The deal is rumored to be apparently sorted, maybe within
a month's time, but I don't think there's any stress
on either party to get it done. Being as a monopoly.
What do you think is going to happen with this deal?
From all the time you've spent covering sports broadcast rights prediction,
where's this going to go? Colin?
Speaker 6 (13:45):
What I want to do is give you an example
of what happened in France their number one sport football,
the round ball game, which is called League one. The
private equity brought into that and they promised a seventy
percent increase.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
In the media rights for League one.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
What actually happened was they've got a forty percent reduction
in the current rights and League one in France is
them is the must have the same as New Zealand
Rugby is in New Zealand. So I would have said,
up until six months ago, I would have said this
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deal will be done and New Zealand rugby will still
be whole because it is must watch. I'd say now
it's far more problematic and I could see a reduction
that New Zealand rugby.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Might have to wear.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Hear it from the biggest names and sports and men
have your sale Sports Talk on your home of Sports
News Talk z be.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Someone has to take a haircut, non't Now. That was
Colin Smith, Sports TV Rights consulting from Global Media and
Sports talking about the negotiations underway between SkyTV and in
z are for all Black and New Zealand rugby rights
over the next handful of years. Something Sky's head for
the last five years, which has cost them an arm
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and a leg. And I'm sure they're not interested in
stumping up that much money because that much money's not
out there anymore. Everybody's broke ins are wanted. Sky don't
want to give it to them, but I don't know
if they have a choice either way.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Some questions you do, oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
As it stands, the product that you get, how you
receive that product. And this is the coverage on film
ie what you see here with the cameras at the ground.
This is the coverage with the people in the studio.
This is the coverage with the people on the ground.
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Be it here, be it an all black, be it
Super Rugby overseas. How happy are you with that? The
partnership between Nsidre and Sky, it sounds like a pretty
shaky partnership if they're both trying to argue a few
million bucks out of each other. But I'd suggest without
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it each other their toast. I don't see it going
anywhere else. The first question to you are you happy
with the product that you get and the partnership between
New Zealand Rugby and Sky Because it is a partnership.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
They both need each other.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
And the most important thing in this is not end Zeta,
it's not Sky TV, it's not the players. It's us.
We are the point. We are the eyeballs. We are
the people that fork out our eighty five dollars minimum.
I think it is to cover your Sky. That's what
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I'm paying anyway, And without us watch and without us
our satisfaction, without us dialing in, without us paying our
subs none of it counts for anything. We are important.
So that's why I ask you. Are you happy with
the partnership between nds that are and Sky? Do they
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provide everything you need and want as a consumer of
Rugby on New Zealand Television, New Zealand devices, whatever platform
it is.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Let me know are you happy?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
I think they could do a lot better, but I
get the feeling that there's not enough money to do
a lot better O eight one hundred and eighty ten
eighty twenty three minutes after seven partnership with an Insidar
and Sky it should carry on. I don't see a
way it wouldn't carry on. Sounds like they're pulling each
other in different directions. So can you have such thing
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as a two man Mexican standal where they both end
up lying on the ground with their brains blown out?
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Does it have to be a three way thing?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Maybe the consumer us, maybe with a third person anyway?
Twenty three out to seven lines are open love at
your thoughts eighty ten eighty happy with the partnership between
Insidar and Sky, happier with what they provide? Let me
know your chance comes up right here right now on
us talk z'b.
Speaker 8 (18:05):
Floor.
Speaker 9 (18:06):
Oooh good lord.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
The right call is your call on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty sports talk call on your home of sports
News Talk.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Sports Talk, care and news Talks. Hereb a partnership between
the Nzidar and Sky. They have to have it. You're
happy with what they provide. You want to see some
form of change in what shape. I'm fascinated with the
idea of who stands to lose the most. I think
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maybe that's what you have to reframe it as go
to the phones anyway. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty get a ben.
Speaker 10 (19:03):
Hey mate, how are you doing?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Not so bad?
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (19:06):
Hi?
Speaker 10 (19:07):
This the talk of the players of b on the
news instead of the rugby itself. As a classical jump.
I don't say them on the radio. You know, it's
just Case back those old days. Like Case Muny is
walking out of the old bush with a picked on
his back, I'll make you know, in his police uniform
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and people from the province and we we we tend
to get away, get away a bit on what the
you know on the game. And I understand everybody's got
to make it. It's got to make a profit. Everybody's
well it didn't or break even. People are going to
get paid. But we need to draw the line between
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in the in the game, you know, the route of
the game, and to get the balance between money and rugby.
You know, money in sport, it's a it's a funny
balance in Sky.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
I've got to find that that same balance because I'd
suggested without rugby, I don't think the Sky would survive
because of the nature of the other sports that they have,
they wouldn't go broke. I'd save yourself eighty million bucks
a year, but what they'd lose in good will, what
they'd lose in casual observers through having that set up,
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I don't know how well I'd stand on their feet
if they did that. And if inside are lost Sky
and didn't have a way of pushing their product that
that's comfortable with people insed are find themselves in a
whole of trouble because they're already losing their grip on
the number one sport in the country, aren't they. Congratulations Bay,
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Congratulations good a Greg.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Are you you know?
Speaker 9 (20:59):
This is a really interesting one for me with the
rugby union and skill. Of course, the rugby union Sky
owned part of being your own part of Sky. I
don't know, but you see what I lost in christin
and Rugby in two thousand and even with a World
Cup because I lived at the whit and the Rugby
Union gave away our test match to Otaga when they
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said they'd build the big Flash stadium, right, So.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
I just think we go on, why did you say
they gave it away.
Speaker 9 (21:28):
To well They guaranteed Otago a test match every year
with the All Blacks, right, So what do we get
here in Hamilton?
Speaker 6 (21:35):
Now?
Speaker 11 (21:35):
We get nothing?
Speaker 8 (21:36):
Right?
Speaker 4 (21:37):
So?
Speaker 9 (21:38):
And what's the Westlake deal? And with Sky needing more money?
Where we playing the test matches? This year? We're playing
in Japan and we're playing in America again, right.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
So any I think the people on the North Shore
or Westlake boys, I think, and that's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Wasn't us about silver Lake? The Greek?
Speaker 2 (21:55):
You go back to Wellington, they had two tests there
and we spoke about this. Why wasn't one of those
in Hamilton? No one turned up to that first test?
Speaker 3 (22:02):
It was an insult.
Speaker 9 (22:04):
But that's the point because probably because the Workouda now
is not capable of hosting one, but I used to.
But coming forward to what you were talking about with
Sky and with the Ragby union. The rugby union, right
and Sky really aren't good a good mix because the
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Ragning you want the money Sky on there, but Sky
is to expect it your value for money, what do
you call it? Your bang for your butt? It's not
there anymore? Right? And so what I find is I
don't watch any rugby at all anymore. I don't wander
skot right. And every time I hear this on the radio,
I think, oh, the Ragning is sold of ten percent?
(22:48):
Sorry not it's not sorry, you're right? Yeah, what do
they do with the money? Storm?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
When is when you stopped watching and consuming? Was that
a direct pushback at the way you perceived in jed
are to treat the white I thought.
Speaker 9 (23:07):
That was part of it, but also part of it.
When I look at everything that I do in my life,
they have a cost, an elysis benefit, right and right.
So I paid fourteen dollars a month for Netflix. I
pay seven or eighteen dollars now for Prime. I was
playing eighty five bucks to Sky for what just to
watch rubbing. It just wasn't value for money, right, And
(23:31):
I wrote Sky endless in it, and they just kept
putting the price up to there, telling you and I
kept writing the dust, when can I buy again? When
can I buy again?
Speaker 7 (23:41):
Pay review?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Well, they probably could survive on that, could they agree?
Speaker 3 (23:45):
They couldn't do that. They need your subscription, they need you.
Speaker 9 (23:49):
They got my subscription. That's support.
Speaker 12 (23:52):
And they've got lots of peoples. And I would happily pay,
you know, twenty much to watch an EPC final or
I paid thirty bucks to watch your test.
Speaker 9 (24:02):
Max's an interest to me.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
But I mean.
Speaker 12 (24:05):
It's still bugs really to this day that the Rugby
Union basically talk away there the n to go and
watch it. It wasn't cheap, but you want to go
a teasine the customer six hundreds even in the vast see.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
You see, I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Gave a test match to There's only so many test
matches that they can put around the country, are they not.
There's not endless test matches. Somebody is going to miss out.
Auckland's never going to miss out because even park they
can't get beaten. Now it sells a lot of tickets,
but I think maybe having a crack on that platform
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is not ideal. But I understand, but the bang for
buck is really interesting to me. Where do you get
value fear dollar. We're all skinned, no one's got any money.
We're very careful about how we spend our money. And
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I go through and go, right, this is what this
platforms costing me. And I've got to watch a lot
of sports, so I kind of have to. I'll pay
for whatever it is whenever it is. It's part of
my role when it comes to things like Netflix and
Disney and Neon and Da Da Da day.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
We go through and goes that worth it?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
And I think it's only ten bucks a month, it's
only fifteen bucks a month, and time suddenly it's a
hundred bucks a months. Like okay, hold on, serdadly that's
thousands something bucks a year. Very careful about what you
spend your money on. So I think with that though
Sky does have a strength. I don't watch anything on
Sky except Sport, Cancel Discovery, the whole lot not interesting
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in any of it. What I want is the sport,
and I get a lot of good rugby out of that,
and I consume a lot of good rugby out of that.
I also get Formula one out of that. I get
a number of other sports out of that. To me,
it is good beaning for Buck. But I'm a little
different to most people out there. I am required for
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my work to have access, so I have to. I
think it works fine, but that's just for me. Talk
about a partnership Sky means that I have to be
a partnership. Who ends up losing the most if one
of them goes somewhere else? If ends it are I
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cut that pipe between themselves and the public through the ease,
the convenience and the conelty of Sky That keep problematic,
especially if the NPC disappears and they use that grassroots
support if Super Rugby, I think Sky are in the
box seat here that it shouldn't be a war, should
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be a partnership. Twenty five minutes to eight. There's a
news talks eb on Sports Talk one hundred eighty ten
eighty lines are open fraught situation between Insider and Sky.
You're happier with what you get from Sky, You're happy
with the money that you pay.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Who loses the most? So this fall apart, we probably
do Who stands to lose the most?
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Insid are or skye eighty This is a sports stock
on news Talks eb wha sports talk lines right now,
one hundred eighty ten eighty. I'm beginning to think that
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Sky's got the whip hand here. They're stronger in this negotiation. Darrel,
What have you got for us?
Speaker 11 (27:48):
Can you hear me? Because I threw my hands free?
Speaker 7 (27:50):
Is it all right?
Speaker 3 (27:51):
They're all good? We've got you don't crash.
Speaker 11 (27:54):
So you know, when you pay Sport, it's not just rugby,
you get the whole Sky Sport, don't you?
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (28:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Who was it?
Speaker 11 (28:03):
Follow before that was saying like that rugby is like
the only sport like New Zealand type thing.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
You know that he was interested in.
Speaker 11 (28:15):
What he was saying. But like, I mean, surely Sky
Sport must know how many people tune in on the
rugby days and the basketball days and the golf days
and the hockey days and the neble days. And they
wouldn't they have worked out it already. What what percentage
of people tuning on to the rugby?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Well, they'll know what it's worth and they'll go to
inns are and say, this is what we're going to
pay because we think that's all that it is actually worth.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
And as in Zago, we need a whole lot more.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Do you think you guys could live without rugby coverage,
which is the number one sport in New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Then the bulls in their court.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Ye exactly, Well, I mean you got Sky.
Speaker 11 (28:55):
Yeah, I've had it for years. I wouldn't even know
what we pay for it, but I mean, you know,
I mean we haven't got it for rugby, Like you.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Know what what I drove you to get Ski? What
was the one sportman?
Speaker 4 (29:08):
I need this.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
I've got to have this product. Well we've lost it
even mind, Darryl, thanks for your cool. Shane, Hi, how
are you good?
Speaker 8 (29:18):
Thank you very much?
Speaker 3 (29:20):
What's on your mind?
Speaker 8 (29:22):
I'll just second. We used to have Sky, but we
can't just find it more expensive than what we're getting
for other other products. Like at the moment, my wife
and I we like watching the Major League Baseball, so
we subscribe to that app and we're watching a lot
of baseball the games on here every day we get
good thing for back theer adam use your phrase. And
(29:45):
because the NFL is on TV and Z and a
lot of the sport that we would like to watch
on Sky is not very often, and so we can't
really justify spending that much money on something that.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
We're going to use it for a little Are you
a Rugby fan?
Speaker 8 (30:02):
I am, and I did have Sky for a while,
but which is a lot of the Rugber was often
on and protected for traveling and times I can't watch
it because I'm sleeping and I'm working. I found it
very difficult to watch live RATEB.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
So why did you get Sky originally? What propelled you
to do that? To sign on the Dottle line?
Speaker 8 (30:24):
Before there was a lot of streaming services and they
were really much do any cab on the rank, So
if you wanted to watch anything a variety of sports,
Sky was it. But now that there's so many other
options there, Skyt's priced themselves out of the market. For me,
I can't afford it. Whereas I'm playing about forty dollars
(30:44):
a month for the NLB. It's for about six or
seven months of the year, and the team I'm following
is currently the Dodgers, who are in the World Series
coming up with the Yankees, and it's in a hell
of a year and we've really enjoyed our baseball.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Yeah, but that's only for baseball, right, What if you're
going to add basketball, If you've got to add whatever,
else you want, because Sky, I think through Sky now
is like thirty bucks.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
A month and you get everything.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
On that, So that represents okay value. It's when you're
climbing into the standard. I need my top box and
I'm not going to go through. I'm not going to
go digitally because I don't want to do that. I
can't do it online. Then it's costing an eighty five
bucks minimum.
Speaker 8 (31:27):
Yeah, well online at the moment, we have a very
good deal with Slingshot's like one hundred and five dollars
and that's all we can eat and there's no troutlings,
so we can stream a ton of content. But I
do I do see your point there. We did have
Sky for a few of those sports, but now a
basketball a lot of us one of the breakers is
(31:50):
on tvn zs as well. You've got a lot of
the NBA stuff also on tvn Z. I don't really
see the need for Sky for me.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
So your habits have changed, yes, and there's change, and
it change based on sport, but not necessarily based on cost.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
No, But we do have.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
You know, Disney and but that all these other ones
that add up to it, and they do the demands
from the kids and the like as well. I didn't
watch any other TV besides sport. Why actually I do
have a dirty secret like gold Rush Park Snabel.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Sorry, that's that's you. We all have that problems in life, Trevor.
How are you?
Speaker 13 (32:37):
Oh that's you?
Speaker 11 (32:40):
Yeah, no good, look I think on with too.
Speaker 14 (32:43):
I think Slys. I mean, I think Sky's got the
driving hand here, and you know they both complement each other.
But what I really want to say is I just
hope Rugby League. I'm watching what's slowly slowly eking out
New Zealand rugby because you know it well, taking some
games to the lost Las Vegas seem there'll be three
(33:05):
rounds in Las Vegas. I always remember with the All Blacks,
I see, I really noticed the turn in the All
Blacks when they started to take test matches away by
playing Australia and playing teams and which Chicago and paid
Ireland once and then I think it was the first
time Island bit the All Blacks and ever since then,
you know, things.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Have studs to kind of force light tripper because it's
a really expensive sport where they are what they're managing
the size of the sport through provincial Araby and Super
Rugby and the All Black But they've got to get
money from somewhere and they're trying everywhere to try and
get as much money as they can to get their
bang for buck.
Speaker 14 (33:44):
Surely well you did, right, but money for the for
the elite players. I mean, you know, I know the Crusaders,
I remember that, you know, infuriating. Actually the Crusaders CEO
whatever he has. At the beginning of this year, he
was so excited because he was taking pre season games
over the Great Britain. He was so excited for promoting
the game over in that But I'll tell you why.
(34:05):
There'll be dozens of locals. You know, we're aould have
played those pre seasons games. They would have said, stuff
the Crusaders they want to go and plays over there.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
And I think in retrospect, and I talked with Colin
Mansburg's quite enough and Trivor thanks for your call.
Speaker 11 (34:19):
That was.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
It was a bad idea from a playing perspective, first
and foremost taking the other side of the world for
preseason games. This season started off like well rubbish, wasn't it.
It's probably why good Ross.
Speaker 13 (34:33):
Yeah evening does it? Just a note about Sky there
I used tape your remote control spy, you know where
you just have your sky box and your lounge and stuffs.
When I said I was keeping the back spinster when
I was ringing the maps if I get a deal
and I couldn't, So I went to sky Now ye,
which I really love. And because I'm control, I can
(34:55):
just pay month by month I think at fifty dollars
a month to watch all the sports. That's fantastic. And
I was in a elite a regular league competition with
Sky's from work and it was fantastic as well.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Quest can you watch.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Because I'm just in a regular top box, But can
you watch record multiple or you don't have to record
at the same time? Can you watch a whole at
the same time? Can you twin screen stuff?
Speaker 13 (35:24):
The trouble with me is I've got an older TV.
They ever got to user chrome cast on right, but no, listen,
I've got a apparently Sky have released I've got a
new epp on skuy now where you can have a
smart TV and the sky Now app in it and
you can go one, two three like that like a
(35:45):
normal remote.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
So okay, interesting, yeah, because I wonder the way I
consume it whether I could go along that and try
and save myself forty bucks a month. But can I
screen a whole at the same time because I habitually
have a computer sometimes an iPad and the TV all
running at the same time, and it is possible going
to choose your sports, motorsport and cricket team. Very nice
(36:09):
into multi screening because the action is slow. Twelve minutes
to eight eight rocks hard places. They're both stuck between them.
I think Sky have the word hand there, I really do.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
But it's got to be a partnership.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Can't be a standoff because they both serve to do
well out of us if their egos are in check
and no one tries to outdraw the other one. Interesting
watching the way this goes the Sophie and Mark. There's
a Newstalk's EB off to Japan. We go next, Elliot
Smith of Waits All Black Side named how early before
(36:47):
the test against the Brave Blossoms on the weekend. This
is Newstalk's EB twelve wave from eight.
Speaker 7 (36:59):
It's me.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Ow Man with a plan on a plane?
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Is Elliott Smith? Where's he gone? Japan?
Speaker 2 (37:13):
He's following the All Blacks the Land of the Rising Sun.
He got there, he is and stopped working. He joins
us now to give us the skinny on the press conference, Elliott,
here we go again, Air Miles.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Elliott will call you mate.
Speaker 7 (37:27):
Even Darcy good to catch up and you the All
Blacks into it here in Tokyo. With the selection of
this squad, we've been earlier than usual as well for
a test match on a Saturday, announcing it on Tuesday
to get out of the way. But some selections there
that have created plenty of talking points from this All
Blacks team.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
So the rationale behind doing this so early struck me
as a surprise, like, what do you mean Tuesday?
Speaker 7 (37:51):
Yeah, exacintely through me by surprise as well. Look, there's
a couple of just logistical things from my understanding around
trainings and other things have got going on in Japan
where their training is quite a way out of Tokyo itself,
so stickly wise, they figured it was easier to name
the team today, and Scott Robertson when asked about it,
(38:12):
sort of just see, well, you know, there were a
dozen cameras if not more, at today's trainings. Everyone would
have figured it out anyway, So it's out there and
you know Eddie Jones has a day or so more
to prepare with these names than he would have otherwise.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
It won't make any difference. But that's okay. Right to
the team itself.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
A couple of debutants, good news for them, and the
return of a half.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
What else have you got for us?
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (38:36):
Look, I think you look at that team and it's
an interesting balance, isn't it. All players that need game
time for various reasons, some through injury reasons. Can Roy
guard Stephen Petifeta being the two that stand out there
regard playing his first test of the Eurocorps Perafeta having
not played for the All Blacks since July. And then
you've got the other players that kind of need some
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game time at this level because they've made an impression
for good or bad, and then haven't been seen. And
I'm talking to the lakes of Semmerpenny Fenaw who came
off the bench in one of the South African Tests
but otherwise hasn't been cited for the All Blacks since
the tests against England back in July, so he needs
some time back at international level. That front row as
(39:19):
well have largely been consigned to coming off the bench
this year, and there's other players as well. Billy Proctor
name that stands out. I thought he was very impressive
on debut for the All Blacks against Fiji and San
Diego way back in July. Bl That was three months
ago now and he hasn't had a chance to build
on that good impression he made there. So I think
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in this test it's about a balance of getting players
game time and also giving opportunities to players that have
fallen out of favor or fallen by the wayside through
selection or injury issues. So perfect opportunity to do so
hard running track against Japan Saturday afternoon daytime rugby. It's
a good opportunity to get some of those cob webs
(40:00):
out for some of these players.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
I think the term is a fair salmon, and you
could describe the entire pack as that this is one
heavy pack, not quite tipping the tone, but close.
Speaker 7 (40:10):
Oh absolutely, it's remarkable. You look at the front row,
certainly the biggest front row that's probably ever started for
the All Blacks in terms of the mighty Williams Passily
or Tossi, the two heaviest props and two individual biggest
players the All Blacks have had to suffer on Miller,
no shrinking Violet, no small player himself. So it's a
(40:31):
big front row and then Fena Wallace and t T
Teep a lot two's you know, got a heck of
a lot of mass about them as well. So this
is a huge pack that the All Blacks are going
to put out there against Japan. And look, I kind
of like the way that they've they've gone about it
and putting a pack that's going to use these strengths
and try and run over the top of this Japan
(40:53):
pack on the weekend, which is traditionally small. They've got
some big players in there as well, but buy a large,
traditionally smaller Japan pack. The All Blacks want to beat
them with size, and looking at their pack, you can
see how they want to do it.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
And final is that Piet Jones made an apparent shit.
I'm talking about Eddie cart Wait till he starts mouthing
off one of the best things but international rugby.
Speaker 7 (41:14):
I'm sure he will absolutely Look he's good like that.
He has got a media opportunity later in the week
that I'm hoping to get to. All things going to
plan be interesting to hear what he has to say
about this All Blacks team and what he makes of it.
If it's anything like his last time in Japan when
he was playing the All Blacks. That was twenty nineteen
(41:35):
England when he was coaching them. He's had a couple
of other international hats since then. It should be fun.
So yeah, he'll pop up, no doubt about that, because
that's what Hedy Jones does really well.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
You no need for Bedmo.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
We've got the breakdowns on Sports Talk cal oh eight
hundred News Talk Zip by.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Elliot smass Off around the world following the All Blacks
Japan All Blacks. Coming up this weekend, we'll have the
Corn new Still zimb and gold Sport. Looks like Jones'
team's going to come out on Thursday. Dying to hear
what he's got to say. He's one of the best parts.
But now's the rugby that guy who knows what's going
(42:14):
to come out of his head.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Be fun though.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Hey, thanks for your calls, Darcy MLTV. MLB TV is
brilliant for a baseball caller, Like your previous one games
every Day alerts, the list goes on and on and on.
So much content so many sports, so many ways to
consume it, so many ways to consume it, and insid
(42:39):
argument of working away get directly into the consumers' homes themselves.
But the only way they can do it right now
is sky so sky. At the moment, they're bossing this exchange,
aren't they?
Speaker 4 (42:48):
Aren't they?
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Andy, Thanks for producing the program, Thanks to our guest
Colin Smith, Elliott Smith, and thanks very much to you
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one a Tuesday night, October twenty two.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
It is twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
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the program today. Elliott Smith joins us from Japan. He's
shut over there to cover the All Blacks not only
(01:02):
for Japan, but the next four test matches after that.
Great work if you can get it. Elliott joins us
to talk about that squad naming, the ridiculously early squad naming.
Why it was named so early? Who's playing couple of debutimes?
What about the new skipper?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
How fat's that pack?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Oh my lord, it's nearly ton of it, I tell you,
He joins us. Later on the piece, we're going to
hit the ground running with Colin Smith flaming at our
feet though support Sports Television Rights consultant from Global Media
and Sports former TV rights advisor to New Zealand Rugby.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
You would have heard him on the program for.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Before talking about one of the most dynamic areas in sports.
That's the rights in New Zealand Rugby and Sky TV
are looking at a deal now. It's going to work
out if NJR provide the games itself with the status
quo continue, Who stands to lose the most, who stands
to gain the most? Either of them stand to win
or lose anything. We'll find out more with Colin Smith.
(02:05):
He joins us sure before that, though, let's get amongst.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
This today and sport today.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Patrick till He has been given the captaincy for this
weekend's Test against Japan Stoic. Beyond expectations, the Big Fella
aka Paddy till Ups.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Didn't smother the coach with kisses for the role.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Scott Robertson explains, why, man, what happened?
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (02:30):
The first thing is you need Mona and the group
and Patrick's got penny of that. He's meant a few
words when I asked him. He didn't say timmy words
at all when but you could tell how how pleased
and honored he was.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
What do you want me to do? Cuddle you?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Thanks cheers, I'm your Paddy was her resident Newcastle Knights
hooker and half Phoenix. Crossland could have been lost to
the black Jumper with the white v after his parents
shot across the ditch when he was a young fella,
but he chose to you know, a good man. You know,
my family would never forgive me if I didn't have
played for the Kiwis. I think it's I feel better
as as a person individually, and you know, looking at
(03:06):
my I'll have resembled them on So the Weed Boss,
Silver Fair and the Maddi Green is philosophical about the
Constellation Cup series tiebreaker change. All tied up after game four.
It's seven minutes each way for the title.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
So when I first heard about it, I was like, oh,
this could really work in our favor because we always
ended up too too and our goal difference is always
the lowest, so I was.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Like, oh great.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
But then obviously we had that flow out in the
first game.
Speaker 7 (03:35):
I was like, done.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Maybe the gold difference would have worked for us. Conspiracy
written all over it, and Chris would keep scoring goals.
He hoofters fifth in This Morning for the season for Nottingham.
That a match winning strike meant little to the soon
to be pops almighty.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
I think it's twelve thirteen weeks and we find out
where we're pregnant or my wife's pregnant.
Speaker 7 (03:57):
So it's fantastic that we can hopefully welcome a little
goal into our world.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
And that's Sport Today, Team past seven and it is
on a Tuesday night, Tuesday evening, Sunday outside or say Tuesday.
Colin Smith to join us shortly. The rights situation between
the New Zealand Rugby and Sky is at an interesting stage.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
It is finally balanced, remembering, of.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Course Sky picked up the rights last time after a
challenge from the brand new Spark TV. He paid through
the nose for the rights one hundred million dollars a
year and they don't want to do it again, which
is understandable in saying that ends that I have one
Hallahala product and it may just be keeping Sky alive
(04:43):
and afloat. They don't want to take much less than
that figure, so now they meet the negotiations begin. This
is a key product in any PayTV lineup and any
satellite lineup is a great piece of company to keep
in the all blacks. But who benefits who doesn't, how
(05:03):
far does it go and what are the considerations between
both of these parties. Sports TV rights consultant from Global
Media and Sport and former TV rights advisors to New
Zealand Rugby Colin Smith joins us. Now, so what happens here, Colin?
Who's got the upper hand in these negotiations? Sky or
New Zealand Rugby And.
Speaker 6 (05:23):
Welcome all very well indeed and great to chat to you.
It's a really interesting question. You look at New Zealand,
rugby is and has been the most popular sport by
a long long way. Frankly, it's close to being a
one sport country. I'm not taking away the Olympics or cricket,
but it is the key driver. The challenge is what
(05:47):
they are paying is a very significant amount of money
and probably in hindsight Sky would probably regret what they
offered and what New Zealand Rugby accepted. So it's close
to being a standoff. So Sky definitely would want to
continue with rugby. I note that they've done the deal
(06:08):
with World Rugby for the next two World Cups and
including women's rugby as well and rugby seven's, so they've
got a stable of rugby but the question is what
about the coverage of the Rugby Championship and Super Rugby.
The other challenge is the viewership numbers of those are
not strong as they used to be.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Who needs who more? Do you think when you look
at this.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
You would argue that both need each other because there
is not an alternative in New Zealand unless a streaming
an international streaming service like a The Zone or an
Amazon or an Apple came in, you wouldn't expect a
tvn Z or somebody else to come in and bid
(06:55):
for those rights.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
So they need each other.
Speaker 6 (06:58):
But the problem is the numbers are not a lot
weaker than they were when they did this deal. And
it's mutual, but at what price is at mutual? And
we're seeing this same challenge elsewhere in the world. This
is not just peculiar to New Zealand. It's an issue
in France and it's there and it has been an
(07:19):
issue in England as well.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
If INSI are went to somewhere like Amazon or Dezone
or something similar, would that be a success for them,
because I feel calm, The issue here is comfort in
the consumers and.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
The platform they use.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
This would be an abrupt change for a lot of
the people who spend the money on Sky, would they
click to it?
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Would it work for ins in are well?
Speaker 6 (07:45):
See that the challenge for a desone, or even for
that matter, an Amazon is because Sky has been quite
smart and done the deal with World Rugby. It means
all the World Cups, Rugby sevens, Women's Rugby are going
to be on Sky, so it means you'll need both services.
(08:06):
That makes it more challenging for New Zealand Rugby to
maximize its rights value. And I'm certain at the table
Sky would be wanting to do a very significant reduction
where I'm certain that the New Zealand Rugby commercial with
wanting to grow at northwards, which I don't think is
(08:26):
likely even with an alternate partner.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
When it comes to just the rugby itself that I
mentioned the word whip hand before the All Blacks playing tests.
That is it everything else around, which is what ends
it Our plus have been attempting to do around complimentary product.
It kind of pails, doesn't it. It's not what the
punter is after.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
Well, and the other problem is you're exactly right, But
the other problem is super Rugby is not what it
used to be it's significantly less. And an interesting statistic
for your listeners is that if a live game of
NRL the New Zealand Warriors playing in New Zealand against
(09:12):
another team outrates a Super Rugby game played also in
New Zealand. Now, I would never have expected that, but
that's real today, So that Super Rugby is not as
good as it used to be. Australia is a poor performer.
And then also the All Blacks aren't the powerhouse they were,
(09:34):
so South Africa and Ireland are the dominant countries. Its
viewership is not as strong and therefore, going to market
when you're not as strong and your feeder competition and
including provincial rugby is challenged, makes it very difficult for
them to be able to justify the prices they're getting,
(09:55):
all the rights they're paying, the Sky's paying to New
Zealand rugby.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Joined by Colin Smith, Sports broadcasting consultant SkyTV. Would SkyTV
go under if they lost the rugby? If ends it
are and silver Lake started playing hardball and took it.
What a fit that have on Sky as a company.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Could they last?
Speaker 6 (10:17):
It would be challenging for them, but they could double
down with trying to get the extra NRL team who
played in christ Church to have a second team so
they have a game every week. The challenge is also
if the deal's not done, this is financially very challenging
(10:38):
for New Zealand Rugby as well. If they don't, if
they can't get near the price what is it rememored
to be about ninety eight million New Zealand dollars, That
will be a real challenge for their commercial entity and
their partners in silver Lake, So it's a problem for both.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Actually, how much has silver Lake got to do with this?
How much influence do you think they have? Because the
talkers maybe sixty mili from Sky maybe eighteen mil. They
signed on one hundred mil. When it comes to the
men who put the money in, are they hugely influential
silver Lake in the final decision?
Speaker 6 (11:16):
They're influential in the end game of how they maximize
their value. But right now no, and they're only a
minority shareholder in this, they're not a they don't have
the majority share.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Frankly, they're between a rock and a hard place. But
they need to.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
For New Zealand Rugby and the commercial side of New
Zealand Rugby. In other words, media rights and sponsorships etc.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
To grow.
Speaker 6 (11:43):
Now, if they don't grow, it's very hard for them
to be able to maximize their return. And the same
thing applies for the all the parties associated with New
Zealand Rugby, including the players. So it's got this has
got massive ramifications to the commercial entity that is New
(12:03):
Zealand Rugby.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
I'm really interested Colin, and as always thanks for your
time and expertise about the ease of uptake for an
alternative platform. We've had problems here before. When Spark turned up,
people were slow to the technology. The technology probably wasn't
embedded by then. It's been a few years since. Is
(12:24):
it a lot easier now for people to climb on board?
Is it becoming more second nature? Because there is resistance,
especially from the older generation. They want it on their skybox,
they want to how to turn it on and run
it and ease is king?
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Is that changing and time?
Speaker 6 (12:39):
Do you believe for young people it is changing back
For older generation and I'm saying though fifty plus they
are far more reticent to be getting another subscription for
another service and so therefore that can also be poor
for New Zealand Rugby because they don't get the same audience,
so there's a double whamy blow if they do this.
(13:03):
And I think SkyTV New Zealand has been very smart
in doing the deal with World Rugby beforehand, so they've
secured what is the real mass watch in New Zealand
being the World Cups, which means that people are not
going to switch off from Sky anytime soon.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
The deal is rumored to be apparently sorted, maybe within
a month's time, but I don't think there's any stress
on either party to get it done. Being as a monopoly.
What do you think is going to happen with this deal?
From all the time you've spent covering sports broadcast rights prediction,
where's this going to go? Colin?
Speaker 6 (13:45):
What I want to do is give you an example
of what happened in France their number one sport football,
the round ball game, which is called League one. The
private equity brought into that and they promised a seventy
percent increase.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
In the media rights for League one.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
What actually happened was they've got a forty percent reduction
in the current rights and League one in France is
them is the must have the same as New Zealand
Rugby is in New Zealand. So I would have said,
up until six months ago, I would have said this
(14:21):
deal will be done and New Zealand rugby will still
be whole because it is must watch. I'd say now
it's far more problematic and I could see a reduction
that New Zealand rugby.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Might have to wear.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Hear it from the biggest names and sports and men
have your sale Sports Talk on your home of Sports
News Talk z be.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Someone has to take a haircut, non't Now. That was
Colin Smith, Sports TV Rights consulting from Global Media and
Sports talking about the negotiations underway between SkyTV and in
z are for all Black and New Zealand rugby rights
over the next handful of years. Something Sky's head for
the last five years, which has cost them an arm
(15:06):
and a leg. And I'm sure they're not interested in
stumping up that much money because that much money's not
out there anymore. Everybody's broke ins are wanted. Sky don't
want to give it to them, but I don't know
if they have a choice either way.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Some questions you do, oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
As it stands, the product that you get, how you
receive that product. And this is the coverage on film
ie what you see here with the cameras at the ground.
This is the coverage with the people in the studio.
This is the coverage with the people on the ground.
(15:44):
Be it here, be it an all black, be it
Super Rugby overseas. How happy are you with that? The
partnership between Nsidre and Sky, it sounds like a pretty
shaky partnership if they're both trying to argue a few
million bucks out of each other. But I'd suggest without
(16:06):
it each other their toast. I don't see it going
anywhere else. The first question to you are you happy
with the product that you get and the partnership between
New Zealand Rugby and Sky Because it is a partnership.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
They both need each other.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
And the most important thing in this is not end Zeta,
it's not Sky TV, it's not the players. It's us.
We are the point. We are the eyeballs. We are
the people that fork out our eighty five dollars minimum.
I think it is to cover your Sky. That's what
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I'm paying anyway, And without us watch and without us
our satisfaction, without us dialing in, without us paying our
subs none of it counts for anything. We are important.
So that's why I ask you. Are you happy with
the partnership between nds that are and Sky? Do they
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provide everything you need and want as a consumer of
Rugby on New Zealand Television, New Zealand devices, whatever platform
it is.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Let me know are you happy?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
I think they could do a lot better, but I
get the feeling that there's not enough money to do
a lot better O eight one hundred and eighty ten
eighty twenty three minutes after seven partnership with an Insidar
and Sky it should carry on. I don't see a
way it wouldn't carry on. Sounds like they're pulling each
other in different directions. So can you have such thing
(17:38):
as a two man Mexican standal where they both end
up lying on the ground with their brains blown out?
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Does it have to be a three way thing?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Maybe the consumer us, maybe with a third person anyway?
Twenty three out to seven lines are open love at
your thoughts eighty ten eighty happy with the partnership between
Insidar and Sky, happier with what they provide? Let me
know your chance comes up right here right now on
us talk z'b.
Speaker 8 (18:05):
Floor.
Speaker 9 (18:06):
Oooh good lord.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
The right call is your call on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty sports talk call on your home of sports
News Talk.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Sports Talk, care and news Talks. Hereb a partnership between
the Nzidar and Sky. They have to have it. You're
happy with what they provide. You want to see some
form of change in what shape. I'm fascinated with the
idea of who stands to lose the most. I think
(18:55):
maybe that's what you have to reframe it as go
to the phones anyway. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty get a ben.
Speaker 10 (19:03):
Hey mate, how are you doing?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Not so bad?
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (19:06):
Hi?
Speaker 10 (19:07):
This the talk of the players of b on the
news instead of the rugby itself. As a classical jump.
I don't say them on the radio. You know, it's
just Case back those old days. Like Case Muny is
walking out of the old bush with a picked on
his back, I'll make you know, in his police uniform
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and people from the province and we we we tend
to get away, get away a bit on what the
you know on the game. And I understand everybody's got
to make it. It's got to make a profit. Everybody's
well it didn't or break even. People are going to
get paid. But we need to draw the line between
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in the in the game, you know, the route of
the game, and to get the balance between money and rugby.
You know, money in sport, it's a it's a funny
balance in Sky.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
I've got to find that that same balance because I'd
suggested without rugby, I don't think the Sky would survive
because of the nature of the other sports that they have,
they wouldn't go broke. I'd save yourself eighty million bucks
a year, but what they'd lose in good will, what
they'd lose in casual observers through having that set up,
(20:29):
I don't know how well I'd stand on their feet
if they did that. And if inside are lost Sky
and didn't have a way of pushing their product that
that's comfortable with people insed are find themselves in a
whole of trouble because they're already losing their grip on
the number one sport in the country, aren't they. Congratulations Bay,
(20:54):
Congratulations good a Greg.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Are you you know?
Speaker 9 (20:59):
This is a really interesting one for me with the
rugby union and skill. Of course, the rugby union Sky
owned part of being your own part of Sky. I
don't know, but you see what I lost in christin
and Rugby in two thousand and even with a World
Cup because I lived at the whit and the Rugby
Union gave away our test match to Otaga when they
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said they'd build the big Flash stadium, right, So.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
I just think we go on, why did you say
they gave it away.
Speaker 9 (21:28):
To well They guaranteed Otago a test match every year
with the All Blacks, right, So what do we get
here in Hamilton?
Speaker 6 (21:35):
Now?
Speaker 11 (21:35):
We get nothing?
Speaker 8 (21:36):
Right?
Speaker 4 (21:37):
So?
Speaker 9 (21:38):
And what's the Westlake deal? And with Sky needing more money?
Where we playing the test matches? This year? We're playing
in Japan and we're playing in America again, right.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
So any I think the people on the North Shore
or Westlake boys, I think, and that's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Wasn't us about silver Lake? The Greek?
Speaker 2 (21:55):
You go back to Wellington, they had two tests there
and we spoke about this. Why wasn't one of those
in Hamilton? No one turned up to that first test?
Speaker 3 (22:02):
It was an insult.
Speaker 9 (22:04):
But that's the point because probably because the Workouda now
is not capable of hosting one, but I used to.
But coming forward to what you were talking about with
Sky and with the Ragby union. The rugby union, right
and Sky really aren't good a good mix because the
(22:27):
Ragning you want the money Sky on there, but Sky
is to expect it your value for money, what do
you call it? Your bang for your butt? It's not
there anymore? Right? And so what I find is I
don't watch any rugby at all anymore. I don't wander
skot right. And every time I hear this on the radio,
I think, oh, the Ragning is sold of ten percent?
(22:48):
Sorry not it's not sorry, you're right? Yeah, what do
they do with the money? Storm?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
When is when you stopped watching and consuming? Was that
a direct pushback at the way you perceived in jed
are to treat the white I thought.
Speaker 9 (23:07):
That was part of it, but also part of it.
When I look at everything that I do in my life,
they have a cost, an elysis benefit, right and right.
So I paid fourteen dollars a month for Netflix. I
pay seven or eighteen dollars now for Prime. I was
playing eighty five bucks to Sky for what just to
watch rubbing. It just wasn't value for money, right, And
(23:31):
I wrote Sky endless in it, and they just kept
putting the price up to there, telling you and I
kept writing the dust, when can I buy again? When
can I buy again?
Speaker 7 (23:41):
Pay review?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Well, they probably could survive on that, could they agree?
Speaker 3 (23:45):
They couldn't do that. They need your subscription, they need you.
Speaker 9 (23:49):
They got my subscription. That's support.
Speaker 12 (23:52):
And they've got lots of peoples. And I would happily pay,
you know, twenty much to watch an EPC final or
I paid thirty bucks to watch your test.
Speaker 9 (24:02):
Max's an interest to me.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
But I mean.
Speaker 12 (24:05):
It's still bugs really to this day that the Rugby
Union basically talk away there the n to go and
watch it. It wasn't cheap, but you want to go
a teasine the customer six hundreds even in the vast see.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
You see, I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Gave a test match to There's only so many test
matches that they can put around the country, are they not.
There's not endless test matches. Somebody is going to miss out.
Auckland's never going to miss out because even park they
can't get beaten. Now it sells a lot of tickets,
but I think maybe having a crack on that platform
(24:49):
is not ideal. But I understand, but the bang for
buck is really interesting to me. Where do you get
value fear dollar. We're all skinned, no one's got any money.
We're very careful about how we spend our money. And
(25:12):
I go through and go, right, this is what this
platforms costing me. And I've got to watch a lot
of sports, so I kind of have to. I'll pay
for whatever it is whenever it is. It's part of
my role when it comes to things like Netflix and
Disney and Neon and Da Da Da day.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
We go through and goes that worth it?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
And I think it's only ten bucks a month, it's
only fifteen bucks a month, and time suddenly it's a
hundred bucks a months. Like okay, hold on, serdadly that's
thousands something bucks a year. Very careful about what you
spend your money on. So I think with that though
Sky does have a strength. I don't watch anything on
Sky except Sport, Cancel Discovery, the whole lot not interesting
(25:52):
in any of it. What I want is the sport,
and I get a lot of good rugby out of that,
and I consume a lot of good rugby out of that.
I also get Formula one out of that. I get
a number of other sports out of that. To me,
it is good beaning for Buck. But I'm a little
different to most people out there. I am required for
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my work to have access, so I have to. I
think it works fine, but that's just for me. Talk
about a partnership Sky means that I have to be
a partnership. Who ends up losing the most if one
of them goes somewhere else? If ends it are I
(26:34):
cut that pipe between themselves and the public through the ease,
the convenience and the conelty of Sky That keep problematic,
especially if the NPC disappears and they use that grassroots
support if Super Rugby, I think Sky are in the
box seat here that it shouldn't be a war, should
(26:55):
be a partnership. Twenty five minutes to eight. There's a
news talks eb on Sports Talk one hundred eighty ten
eighty lines are open fraught situation between Insider and Sky.
You're happier with what you get from Sky, You're happy
with the money that you pay.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Who loses the most? So this fall apart, we probably
do Who stands to lose the most?
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Insid are or skye eighty This is a sports stock
on news Talks eb wha sports talk lines right now,
one hundred eighty ten eighty. I'm beginning to think that
(27:42):
Sky's got the whip hand here. They're stronger in this negotiation. Darrel,
What have you got for us?
Speaker 11 (27:48):
Can you hear me? Because I threw my hands free?
Speaker 7 (27:50):
Is it all right?
Speaker 3 (27:51):
They're all good? We've got you don't crash.
Speaker 11 (27:54):
So you know, when you pay Sport, it's not just rugby,
you get the whole Sky Sport, don't you?
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (28:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Who was it?
Speaker 11 (28:03):
Follow before that was saying like that rugby is like
the only sport like New Zealand type thing.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
You know that he was interested in.
Speaker 11 (28:15):
What he was saying. But like, I mean, surely Sky
Sport must know how many people tune in on the
rugby days and the basketball days and the golf days
and the hockey days and the neble days. And they
wouldn't they have worked out it already. What what percentage
of people tuning on to the rugby?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Well, they'll know what it's worth and they'll go to
inns are and say, this is what we're going to
pay because we think that's all that it is actually worth.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
And as in Zago, we need a whole lot more.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Do you think you guys could live without rugby coverage,
which is the number one sport in New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Then the bulls in their court.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Ye exactly, Well, I mean you got Sky.
Speaker 11 (28:55):
Yeah, I've had it for years. I wouldn't even know
what we pay for it, but I mean, you know,
I mean we haven't got it for rugby, Like you.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Know what what I drove you to get Ski? What
was the one sportman?
Speaker 4 (29:08):
I need this.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
I've got to have this product. Well we've lost it
even mind, Darryl, thanks for your cool. Shane, Hi, how
are you good?
Speaker 8 (29:18):
Thank you very much?
Speaker 3 (29:20):
What's on your mind?
Speaker 8 (29:22):
I'll just second. We used to have Sky, but we
can't just find it more expensive than what we're getting
for other other products. Like at the moment, my wife
and I we like watching the Major League Baseball, so
we subscribe to that app and we're watching a lot
of baseball the games on here every day we get
good thing for back theer adam use your phrase. And
(29:45):
because the NFL is on TV and Z and a
lot of the sport that we would like to watch
on Sky is not very often, and so we can't
really justify spending that much money on something that.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
We're going to use it for a little Are you
a Rugby fan?
Speaker 8 (30:02):
I am, and I did have Sky for a while,
but which is a lot of the Rugber was often
on and protected for traveling and times I can't watch
it because I'm sleeping and I'm working. I found it
very difficult to watch live RATEB.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
So why did you get Sky originally? What propelled you
to do that? To sign on the Dottle line?
Speaker 8 (30:24):
Before there was a lot of streaming services and they
were really much do any cab on the rank, So
if you wanted to watch anything a variety of sports,
Sky was it. But now that there's so many other
options there, Skyt's priced themselves out of the market. For me,
I can't afford it. Whereas I'm playing about forty dollars
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a month for the NLB. It's for about six or
seven months of the year, and the team I'm following
is currently the Dodgers, who are in the World Series
coming up with the Yankees, and it's in a hell
of a year and we've really enjoyed our baseball.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Yeah, but that's only for baseball, right, What if you're
going to add basketball, If you've got to add whatever,
else you want, because Sky, I think through Sky now
is like thirty bucks.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
A month and you get everything.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
On that, So that represents okay value. It's when you're
climbing into the standard. I need my top box and
I'm not going to go through. I'm not going to
go digitally because I don't want to do that. I
can't do it online. Then it's costing an eighty five
bucks minimum.
Speaker 8 (31:27):
Yeah, well online at the moment, we have a very
good deal with Slingshot's like one hundred and five dollars
and that's all we can eat and there's no troutlings,
so we can stream a ton of content. But I
do I do see your point there. We did have
Sky for a few of those sports, but now a
basketball a lot of us one of the breakers is
(31:50):
on tvn zs as well. You've got a lot of
the NBA stuff also on tvn Z. I don't really
see the need for Sky for me.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
So your habits have changed, yes, and there's change, and
it change based on sport, but not necessarily based on cost.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
No, But we do have.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
You know, Disney and but that all these other ones
that add up to it, and they do the demands
from the kids and the like as well. I didn't
watch any other TV besides sport. Why actually I do
have a dirty secret like gold Rush Park Snabel.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Sorry, that's that's you. We all have that problems in life, Trevor.
How are you?
Speaker 13 (32:37):
Oh that's you?
Speaker 11 (32:40):
Yeah, no good, look I think on with too.
Speaker 14 (32:43):
I think Slys. I mean, I think Sky's got the
driving hand here, and you know they both complement each other.
But what I really want to say is I just
hope Rugby League. I'm watching what's slowly slowly eking out
New Zealand rugby because you know it well, taking some
games to the lost Las Vegas seem there'll be three
(33:05):
rounds in Las Vegas. I always remember with the All Blacks,
I see, I really noticed the turn in the All
Blacks when they started to take test matches away by
playing Australia and playing teams and which Chicago and paid
Ireland once and then I think it was the first
time Island bit the All Blacks and ever since then,
you know, things.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Have studs to kind of force light tripper because it's
a really expensive sport where they are what they're managing
the size of the sport through provincial Araby and Super
Rugby and the All Black But they've got to get
money from somewhere and they're trying everywhere to try and
get as much money as they can to get their
bang for buck.
Speaker 14 (33:44):
Surely well you did, right, but money for the for
the elite players. I mean, you know, I know the Crusaders,
I remember that, you know, infuriating. Actually the Crusaders CEO
whatever he has. At the beginning of this year, he
was so excited because he was taking pre season games
over the Great Britain. He was so excited for promoting
the game over in that But I'll tell you why.
(34:05):
There'll be dozens of locals. You know, we're aould have
played those pre seasons games. They would have said, stuff
the Crusaders they want to go and plays over there.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
And I think in retrospect, and I talked with Colin
Mansburg's quite enough and Trivor thanks for your call.
Speaker 11 (34:19):
That was.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
It was a bad idea from a playing perspective, first
and foremost taking the other side of the world for
preseason games. This season started off like well rubbish, wasn't it.
It's probably why good Ross.
Speaker 13 (34:33):
Yeah evening does it? Just a note about Sky there
I used tape your remote control spy, you know where
you just have your sky box and your lounge and stuffs.
When I said I was keeping the back spinster when
I was ringing the maps if I get a deal
and I couldn't, So I went to sky Now ye,
which I really love. And because I'm control, I can
(34:55):
just pay month by month I think at fifty dollars
a month to watch all the sports. That's fantastic. And
I was in a elite a regular league competition with
Sky's from work and it was fantastic as well.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Quest can you watch.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Because I'm just in a regular top box, But can
you watch record multiple or you don't have to record
at the same time? Can you watch a whole at
the same time? Can you twin screen stuff?
Speaker 13 (35:24):
The trouble with me is I've got an older TV.
They ever got to user chrome cast on right, but no, listen,
I've got a apparently Sky have released I've got a
new epp on skuy now where you can have a
smart TV and the sky Now app in it and
you can go one, two three like that like a
(35:45):
normal remote.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
So okay, interesting, yeah, because I wonder the way I
consume it whether I could go along that and try
and save myself forty bucks a month. But can I
screen a whole at the same time because I habitually
have a computer sometimes an iPad and the TV all
running at the same time, and it is possible going
to choose your sports, motorsport and cricket team. Very nice
(36:09):
into multi screening because the action is slow. Twelve minutes
to eight eight rocks hard places. They're both stuck between them.
I think Sky have the word hand there, I really do.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
But it's got to be a partnership.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Can't be a standoff because they both serve to do
well out of us if their egos are in check
and no one tries to outdraw the other one. Interesting
watching the way this goes the Sophie and Mark. There's
a Newstalk's EB off to Japan. We go next, Elliot
Smith of Waits All Black Side named how early before
(36:47):
the test against the Brave Blossoms on the weekend. This
is Newstalk's EB twelve wave from eight.
Speaker 7 (36:59):
It's me.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Ow Man with a plan on a plane?
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Is Elliott Smith? Where's he gone? Japan?
Speaker 2 (37:13):
He's following the All Blacks the Land of the Rising Sun.
He got there, he is and stopped working. He joins
us now to give us the skinny on the press conference, Elliott,
here we go again, Air Miles.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Elliott will call you mate.
Speaker 7 (37:27):
Even Darcy good to catch up and you the All
Blacks into it here in Tokyo. With the selection of
this squad, we've been earlier than usual as well for
a test match on a Saturday, announcing it on Tuesday
to get out of the way. But some selections there
that have created plenty of talking points from this All
Blacks team.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
So the rationale behind doing this so early struck me
as a surprise, like, what do you mean Tuesday?
Speaker 7 (37:51):
Yeah, exacintely through me by surprise as well. Look, there's
a couple of just logistical things from my understanding around
trainings and other things have got going on in Japan
where their training is quite a way out of Tokyo itself,
so stickly wise, they figured it was easier to name
the team today, and Scott Robertson when asked about it,
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sort of just see, well, you know, there were a
dozen cameras if not more, at today's trainings. Everyone would
have figured it out anyway, So it's out there and
you know Eddie Jones has a day or so more
to prepare with these names than he would have otherwise.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
It won't make any difference. But that's okay. Right to
the team itself.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
A couple of debutants, good news for them, and the
return of a half.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
What else have you got for us?
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (38:36):
Look, I think you look at that team and it's
an interesting balance, isn't it. All players that need game
time for various reasons, some through injury reasons. Can Roy
guard Stephen Petifeta being the two that stand out there
regard playing his first test of the Eurocorps Perafeta having
not played for the All Blacks since July. And then
you've got the other players that kind of need some
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game time at this level because they've made an impression
for good or bad, and then haven't been seen. And
I'm talking to the lakes of Semmerpenny Fenaw who came
off the bench in one of the South African Tests
but otherwise hasn't been cited for the All Blacks since
the tests against England back in July, so he needs
some time back at international level. That front row as
(39:19):
well have largely been consigned to coming off the bench
this year, and there's other players as well. Billy Proctor
name that stands out. I thought he was very impressive
on debut for the All Blacks against Fiji and San
Diego way back in July. Bl That was three months
ago now and he hasn't had a chance to build
on that good impression he made there. So I think
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in this test it's about a balance of getting players
game time and also giving opportunities to players that have
fallen out of favor or fallen by the wayside through
selection or injury issues. So perfect opportunity to do so
hard running track against Japan Saturday afternoon daytime rugby. It's
a good opportunity to get some of those cob webs
(40:00):
out for some of these players.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
I think the term is a fair salmon, and you
could describe the entire pack as that this is one
heavy pack, not quite tipping the tone, but close.
Speaker 7 (40:10):
Oh absolutely, it's remarkable. You look at the front row,
certainly the biggest front row that's probably ever started for
the All Blacks in terms of the mighty Williams Passily
or Tossi, the two heaviest props and two individual biggest
players the All Blacks have had to suffer on Miller,
no shrinking Violet, no small player himself. So it's a
(40:31):
big front row and then Fena Wallace and t T
Teep a lot two's you know, got a heck of
a lot of mass about them as well. So this
is a huge pack that the All Blacks are going
to put out there against Japan. And look, I kind
of like the way that they've they've gone about it
and putting a pack that's going to use these strengths
and try and run over the top of this Japan
(40:53):
pack on the weekend, which is traditionally small. They've got
some big players in there as well, but buy a large,
traditionally smaller Japan pack. The All Blacks want to beat
them with size, and looking at their pack, you can
see how they want to do it.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
And final is that Piet Jones made an apparent shit.
I'm talking about Eddie cart Wait till he starts mouthing
off one of the best things but international rugby.
Speaker 7 (41:14):
I'm sure he will absolutely Look he's good like that.
He has got a media opportunity later in the week
that I'm hoping to get to. All things going to
plan be interesting to hear what he has to say
about this All Blacks team and what he makes of it.
If it's anything like his last time in Japan when
he was playing the All Blacks. That was twenty nineteen
(41:35):
England when he was coaching them. He's had a couple
of other international hats since then. It should be fun.
So yeah, he'll pop up, no doubt about that, because
that's what Hedy Jones does really well.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
You no need for Bedmo.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
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Elliot smass Off around the world following the All Blacks
Japan All Blacks. Coming up this weekend, we'll have the
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team's going to come out on Thursday. Dying to hear
what he's got to say. He's one of the best parts.
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to come out of his head.
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Be fun though.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
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So much content so many sports, so many ways to
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argument of working away get directly into the consumers' homes themselves.
But the only way they can do it right now
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aren't they?
Speaker 4 (42:48):
Aren't they?
Speaker 2 (42:51):
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Colin Smith, Elliott Smith, and thanks very much to you
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