October 25, 2024 • 43 mins
ZB's own D'Arcy Waldegrave returns to cap off the week in the wonderful world of sport! Highlights for tonight include:
Elliott Smith - ZB's Voice of Rugby looks ahead to the All Blacks v Japan test
Giancarlo Italiano - The Wellington Phoenix Head Coach ahead of their second match of the A-League season
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Waldergrave
from News Talk ZEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Good evening and it is if you're a fan of
New Zealand cricket. More on that later, but hello to
you whenever's Darcy wall to go.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
This is a sports talk.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
From now throe to eight o'clock eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty line is open for your cause. You can
text through the cost standard text charged nineteen nine two
z b z B is the way to go there.
I think I've seen the worst shot that Veric Coley
has played in his entire illustrious test career. Shocking, unfavorably bad.
(01:15):
Maybe there's a wee bit of a bit of a slow,
dead pitch to blame, but I don't think I've ever
seen anything awful, more awful than then what I've seen.
Then Richard pant He's chimed in with another one just
as poor too, and then oh, the list goes on.
This is astonishing what's going on. Prepared a pitch to
beat New Zealand and they're beating themselves on the same deck.
(01:37):
We're in the lunch break now. Maybe later I'll go
through the card and let you know just how things
are going on. What's the point not going on at all?
It's been utter calamity for the hosts over in England.
Coming up on the show, we're gonna be talking about
a rugby we're gonna be talking a bit of football
(01:57):
as well. Carlo Telliamo joins us later on in the
piece to look at their away game on the other
side of the universe. They've gone off to Perth to
play football there, John Carlo, about that about preparation, how
do you actually deal with the vagaries of such a
long and miserable flight in regular season football. Of course,
(02:19):
next time when they come back from that, they've got
the local derby up against the Aucklanders. Very very odd
there go. We're going to start things off with Elliot Smith.
He's our man on the spot, rugby commentator rugby writer,
is the host of Rugby Direct podcast too, and of
course he commentates on the games. One of the All
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Blacks on their Northern tour, which form since purposes, starts
off tomorrow in Japan. He joins us shortly to look
at that, and then we'll talk about the risk of
the strength of the team. Eight one hundred and eighty
ten eighty Are they biting off a little more than
they can chew by naming the side that they have
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When you consider that the All Blacks they've been beaten
at home by Ireland, they've been beaten it home by Argentina,
and they eli get rolled by Japan a couple of
years ago. They haven't had the best time. Is this
really the right time to be doing what they're doing.
We'll talk about that later. We'll talk about Elliot Smith
and we'll talk about it with you on eight hundred
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and eighty ten eighty. And if you've been watching a
cricket and you're dying to climb on and have a
shout here, by all means, I'm not going to stop
you from doing because that has been extraordinary. Right, let's
get amongst this today and sport today, Big Patty Till
upset Sir Patrick too plot and the Black captain for
this weekend's test is playing the fear card ahead of
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the exchange. This is what we're going to be talking
about next. The team don't want to be the first
to fall to the break blossoms. The chances well, they
got close last time around a couple.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Of years back.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
That's seven points different and it's been the trend of
recent times for the All Blacks to choke up against
teams so the first time away or at home, So
possibly the fear is genuine.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Prepressions should never change, it should we burned deep and
genuine about how you're preparing. And Japan team has never
won against the Orblexert, so we recently don't want to
be the first team to let them have their skill.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Kiwi coach at Stacey Jones has been enamored with the
support of the locals for this weekends at double league
header in the anti christ Church.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
Oh, it's been amazing the support that they've got for
this game. You know, two world class teams performing and
the girls too. The support here has been outstanding.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
I can call it that. It's my hometown.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I lived there.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
It's okay to throw mad at your own right. The
break has got buffaloed. Last night in the NBL, the
lowly southeast Melbourne Phoenix humbled the home team who are
actually also down South and condemning them to the lowest
NBL score this season eighty eight beat sixty two. Coach
cop says they have the King's neck where they require.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
Collectively much better effort.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
We lost, you know, rebounds, We lost our fifty to
fifty boys. We didn't shoot the ball well.
Speaker 6 (05:17):
It's tough to win basketball games.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Indeed it is. And on the subject of Phoenix, but
a slightly different version of the Wellington Phoenix football Sam
Sutton looks to be back in boots again for this
Sunday's standoff against Perth, claims coach John Carlo.
Speaker 7 (05:32):
Italian such as audiences knock on water as all gone.
He's been running freely at training and looks very mobile
and he's back to his energetic best.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
And all from Jean Carlo later on in the piece.
It is eleven minutes after seven. This is sports Talk
on News Talk z B and.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
That Sport Today Air point.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Elliott, that's what we call him now. He's the commentator.
Is the man's the rugby editories off in Japan currently
is he's chasing the All Blacks through the hemispheres. Elliott,
Welcome to the We kick off the second part of
the season come Saturday evening. You're feeling a bit of
that energy around there, are you?
Speaker 8 (06:14):
And welcome absolutely Darcy Kanishiwa from Tokyo. It's been a
good week here in Tokyo with the All Blacks building
in to this test. There's a sense of excitement there
always is in Japan that the fans come out, and
the Japanese fans absolutely love the All Blacks, so they've
come out in numbers to support them this week, and
I think a good way for the All Blacks to
start this end of year to Japan will provide a
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test tomorrow evening New Zealand time, no doubt about that.
But you just get the sense that the All Blacks
like being here, they like being around the Japanese people,
but are also ready to deliver a performance tomorrow evening.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Kpiyes. That's a terrible old term, but it's right. What
do we expect out of this? We know we're not
going to lose, well we think that's not the case anyway,
But what's the point. What do we get? What are
we trying to achieve out of this game?
Speaker 5 (07:04):
Well?
Speaker 8 (07:04):
I think, first and foremost to win, and let's not
forget two years ago in Tokyo, the All Blacks are
pushed very very hard by Japan, emerged with a thirty
eight thirty one victor victory, but it wasn't impressive from
the All Blacks and they started along. The Japan side
has lost a bit of experience since the n some retirement,
some injury withdrawals. At the moments, They've had a coaching
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change Jeddie Jones now steering the good ship Japan at
the moment, so there's been some changes around and it
very much feels like a team building towards the next
World cut from a Japan perspective. For the All Blacks, though,
they need to deliver, they need to finish opportunities and
it's the big thing that they have not really been
able to do often enough this year. It's gained some
wins for them, no doubt about that, but you think
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back to South Africa, missed opportunities constant there, Sydney, missed
opportunities constant there, and Wellington. They could have even blown
out the wild bees more than they did on the night,
but they missed some opportunities on that night in Wellington.
So the big thing for the All Blacks is they
look not only to this week but also the rest
of the tour is finishing their opportunities. From what I
can that they're very happy with number of opportunities they're
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getting in games the number of penetrations inside the twenty
two that they're making on opposition sides, but they're just
not finishing them and they need to be more clinical.
And tomorrow afternoon tomorrow evening is a good opportunity to
try and find a bit more about themselves against the
japan side, which is I say, is lacking on a
bit of experience compared to some of those Japanese teams
your Blacks have played in the past.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
It's very difficult though, in consistency of selection and combinations
to create that when you are changing your sides week
in week out. And this is I won't say a
second string team, but it is not the run on fifteen.
It's not the primary twenty three. So what they achieve
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out of this, it's all well and good, but does
it actually transfer to the thick end of the tour
without the consistency of the combinations.
Speaker 8 (08:59):
That's a good point, doesn't it. And eleven players have
jumped on a plane this morning from Tokyo and departed
early to London to begin preparations for next week, so
and there will all be starters. So yeah, that's a
fair point. You look at that and go how much
can you gain in terms of creating and completing opportunities. Well,
I think that's just a mindset shift from the All
Blacks is that if you do complete these opportunities tomorrow night,
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that could flow on further next week. A little bit
more confidence comes into the camp some of those players.
There will be players that play tomorrow afternoon that turn
around next week, so chance to state claims as well
and impressed their selection claim. So Penny Fee now haven't
seen much of him in recent times. Steven Peter Fitza
started the season as the All Blacks first choice full back,
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then got injured. Patrick toy Bilotto is captaining this team tomorrow.
You know, he started the season as a first choice
lock alongside Scott Barrett, but injuries have seen him out
of the team and two y taking his chance. So
when you balance that out and go there's a number
of opportunities for these players to stake their claim for
more Test footballer. I think that's where the All Blacks
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will want to get to tomorrow afternoon. A good performance
in all also have players pushing for selection as they
build to those big three weeks in the middle of
this tour.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Play your way in, play your way out, you'd suggest,
even with a superb game from any individual, considering the opposition,
I should pay more respect to the Japanese than I do.
As you mentioned thirty eight to thirty one? Was it recently,
but someone has a barnstormer of the game that necessarily
play them into contention for a start against those big three.
(10:33):
We're playing in conversy. If someone has an absolute shockgra bit,
more like it's proat more likely you can play your
way out than play your way in, If that makes sense.
Speaker 8 (10:42):
Quite possibly. Yeah, you look at someone though, that Cam Broyguards,
who has played two games of rugby since March, both
the counties and the comeback from injury. You know, he
was annointed as prohoups the All Blacks first choice halfback
with the form that he was in earlier on in
Super Rugby, but now has played fewer tests than Cortes Ratama,
who any debut earlier on this year. So he's going
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to point to prove and stake his claim. Wouldn't expect
him to start against England, but if he has a
good match tomorrow then perhaps a start against Island is
in the offering for someone like camp Roygard Sam Penni
fin now another player mentioned there that has sort of
faded out and not been able to take his opportunities.
And Wallace a Titi has you stepped him? Wallace a
ted himself at number eight, a position that he's more
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familiar with, could stake a claim there and put himself
in a position. So I guess it will depend on
the way the game plays out as to how much
he can read into performances and how things go from
a team perspective, But I think there are certain jerseys
and certain roles in this team that are up for
grabs as they head north. You know, eleven players have
gone up, but they've still got to fill out of
twenty three next week, and I think there's a few
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contestable positions. Sevy recent mark to Lea for mine will
be playing off for one wing position next week, assuming
Will Jordan starts at fall back against England. Billy Proptor.
We liked what he saw from him against Fiji and
San Diego. He's had to hold the tackle bags for
the last few months since. If he can build on
that performance in San Diego, he gives some more questions
to the Goblins. So to build Black selectors. So I
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think there are opportunities, maybe not even outside the first
choice team, but just to get some more game time
for these players and build that twenty three because I
don't think the All Blacks have quite centered on their
first choice twenty three is yet with these big matches
to come, the.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Importance Elliott Smith of time together as a unit. From
a coaching point of view, the staff, the coaching staff
away from the gold Fish Bowl of New Zealand, they
can actually, I suppose, put more work in place without
interruptions from the outside, because even though they're not going
to lock themselves off from the public, this is the
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best place for team building there is to us like this.
Speaker 8 (12:45):
And they arrived a couple of days earlier in Japan
than they probably would have usually done so here since
Thursday of last week, so they've had a bit of
extra time to build into this tour. Didn't have a say,
New Zealand camp before they left. They went and flew
out and began their camp in Tokyo. They've been able
to build sessions there. They've been training out at the
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through d Rock's team, one of the Japan League teams
that have been training out there, which is a bit
further out of Tokyo Bay, quite isolated the area that
they've been training in. They had to we scrimmage against
this Iitama wild Night some of the first choice players
midweek as well, so they've been able to do that
and get in camp and build some of those opportunities.
As I say with a night, it's not only this
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test this week, but also the weeks to come and
and time spends in camp, connections and training together can
only be valuable for this team. Rather than having to
hit the ground running and play a Test match within
five or so days of landing, they've had a bit
more time to build into it and build this campaign,
perhaps in detail as they would like to do.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
You've got a sense of the comfort around the relationship
with the team now because Scott's got his feet under
the desk now, don't gen doubt about that. He knows
where to do and they all know who the bosses
as well. He's sensing some more camaraderie amongst this team now.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (14:04):
Absolutely, Look, I think there's a sense that they obviously
have lost some test matches this year, but are confident
that they are on the right track. They know how
and why they lost those games in South Africa, for example,
in Argentina and Wellington, and they're feeling a little bit
more comfortable, I think from the outside looking in in
their shoes and the way that processes are going, and
and things that have been changed that you know, have
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been the same for about twenty years in many ways
have now been changed from the outside by new people,
new fresh blood, bringing fresh ideas into this camp that
weren't met with resistance necessarily, but are changing the habits
of you know, a long time for a lot of
these people. I think there's a sense of comfort now
around that. Although having said that, the line that has
often trotted out by the all Blacks coaches and players
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is all Blacks and never comfortable, So there is that
element of keeping everyone on their toes while also you know,
getting into that sense that you know what you're expecting
every game week and how you build into that. And
I think Scott Robinson's feeling more comfortable in the role.
He was asked during the week around sort of having
a thousand eyes on you. He said, well, it's more
like I have Milligan and that definitely is the case,
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and I think that's been one of the things that
the coaching team have had to get their head around.
The intense scrutiny of the All Blacks is different to
a super rugby level team. You know, every moment in
a game is monitored heavily, more heavily than you know
a super rugby game, for example. So there are things
that both the coaching side, the management side and the
players are all getting used to. But it does feel
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that they're getting more used to what is expected and
how to get good match results than maybe they were
at the start of the year.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
In July. You no need for the TMO.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
We've got the breakdowns on Sports Talk.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Elliott Smith from Tokyo ahead of this test match if
you can call it that mean played tomorrow, it's a
test and name or it'll be a test in practice
I supposed to see. So a couple of points out
of that, asking ya all about one what kind of
a risk is this? Now that may well be overstating
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the case. You would not expect Japan at home to
come within kewey of an All Black team. This is
not the strongest all Black team. Yes, they are good players.
There are a number of players playing out of position.
There are players that have hardly touched the pig skin
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in the last couple of months. There are a lack
of combinations returning players from injury that have hardly seen
the ball. This represents to gilded opportunity for Japan to
do something scary now. Patrick Twoklopod said, we don't want
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to be the first team to lose to Japan. It
was only two years ago the Japanese didn't win. Was
only seven points? Was thirty one? I think it was
on his face at the all Blacks of recent times
have made a habit of losing. We don't like to
say that, but we've got to face it. We've beaten
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it home by Argentina. We got beaten at home by Island.
We got beaten by Argentina the first time, only four
or five years ago. Not a lay down Massi anymore.
So what kind of a risk is this playing this
secondary team, this lesser team, up against the japan team,
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the Japanese national team. I hope I'm horribly wrong and
it doesn't go a right and it's fine, but you
can see signs that suggest this is possibly not the
smartest thing to do. And this to me is double
edge and help me with this one. Not only is
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it a risk for the All Blacks when it comes
to the result of the night over in Japan, here's
the bigger risk. As Elliot said, just eleven players are
on the plane. They've gone already. They're over there to
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take on in the proper league of the Northern to
the English Sunday third November. He's sell on time ten
plus four in the morning. So that twenty three that
they name will be what they believe is arguably the
strongest team they have, and that will consist of a
number of the players that won't be playing. When did
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those guys last play? When did those guys last fire
shot in Anger? I tell you it was the twenty
eighth of September when they beat the Australians thirty three thirteen,
give or take. With my rough counting skills, which are
fairly poor at the best of times, that's five weeks.
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That is five weeks since our best team have suited
up of laystar but booted up and have presented a
united front against another team. Five weeks. How those guys
aren't even going to be there in Japan and they're
taking on England at Twickenham. This is reckless and yes,
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unlikely that the Japanese will roll this secondary all black team.
It doesn't gnna be a pleasure saying that, but it is.
But what about the third of November. There's a team
that's facing the English that want our guts for garters
that have not played together as an oiled unit in
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five weeks. Call it how I see it, it's just dumb.
I would like you to join in on this, not
necessarily agreeing with me, but telling me the logic behind this.
I can't see rhyme nor reasis. I don't understand on
both sides of the coin. It looks like a loss.
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty What kind of risk is
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this for this weekend and next weekend? Tell me why
they're doing it. Tell me how much you believe they
stand to actually get a real punch in the eye
with this decision. I think the chances are huge. Twenty
six minutes after seven lines are open, O eight hundred
eighty ten eighty three phone nation wide, And also later
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in the piece, Giancardo will Telliana he coach on the wellingson,
Phoenix joins the program, and when the black Cats back
on the pitch again, I'll be there to commentate. As
in your carry on to fold in a spectacular fashion.
You prep this pitch. This is your problem, not ours.
This is news talks.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
Itb the riffs call. You make a call on.
Speaker 9 (21:10):
Sports talk on your home of sport. These talks it bekis.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
She talks.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
It's hop fast at seven line's driving eight hundred and
eighteen ten eighty. It's Friday night. It's be a long weekend,
trying poor. If you're traveling, don't be in a hurry,
remove your lead foot, make like a little fonsie. As
you well know, it's best to get there late than
not get there at all. It's not ruined anyone's weekend
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by driving like a lunatic. All right, it's my public
service message from the from the bottom of my heart.
I really mean that anything else is in the car
listening to this, and it was at the wheels driving
like a Yahoo have mo but don't write them too much.
They might crash. It's up past seventh. Let's talk about
the decisions that have been made at an all black level.
(22:17):
Read the selection of the team to take on Japan tomorrow,
and then the selection of the team to take on
the English next weekend. I'd find it bizarre. I'd welcome
you to call me and tell me how wrong I
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am and why I am wrong. In isolation, it's understandable,
she would agree that some of the lesser players than
the All Black team are being given an opportunity to
blow some cobwebs, to get out there in the park,
have a grow, so have a go and maybe establish
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themselves in the pecking order come the thick end of
the Northern Tour, which of course is England, Ireland, France,
in Italy. I'm not quite sure how much you'll learn
out of that. If we have a dominant performance on
any one individual, it's like taking on Fiji in America.
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There's some dominant performances. But what did it mean. It
didn't mean a great deal for the All Blacks. It
meant more about the opposition. And I fear that. The
other fear I have, I'm a frightened man, aren't I
right now? The other fear I have is that because
this is a team that is short on experiences, short
on combinations, has lost the heart of the All Black
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team that, let's face it, haven't really covered the world
in glory this season. They might actually get rolled by Japan.
This is not an outline now. The All Blacks have
shown vulnerability for the last few years. Who's to say
it won't happen again. And what's going to happen next
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week against England? Who's going to play in that team?
Half of them wouldn't have played a game of football
in five weeks. That's great prep going to twickt him
to take on the English will be absolutely furious and
fuming at the All Blacks. I can't, I can't work
it out, Jeff, can you help me mate here?
Speaker 10 (24:32):
Mike, I'm sure the All Black coach has sorted this
team out to play Japan. If he didn't think that
the All Blacks were going to get smashed by Japan,
I'm sure he wouldn't be having these players out there now.
You know, it's a big decision for the All Breast
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coach and I'm sure he's put a hell of a
lot of thought into it. You know, we've got New
Zealand has to face a fact that the All Blacks
can always lose. They're not going to what they may
not win every game, Well, that's.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
An impossibility that doesn't happen. Jeff, Absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 10 (25:17):
I think you know Scott Robinson, you know he's he
would he would be looking at all those players that
are going to go out there. They may not be
the top players in the All Blacks, but he must
be pretty confident that this team is going to go
out there and beat Japan. And I hope the All
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Backs do one.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
They're not bad players and they probably should. But as
you've pointed out, I'm not going to win every game,
and of recent times, the All Blacks have lost games
that no one ever thought they were going to lose before,
and it's happened, it can happen. The rest of the
world is catching up. But Jiff, I ask you this,
what about next week? What about next week? The team
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that goes out there, half the players wouldn't have played
a game in over a month, and it's England. Did
they even think about that?
Speaker 10 (26:10):
That's a big worry. That is a big worry. There's
a there's a big break between Japan and going out
there to play England. We've got England, We've got Ireland,
and et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Well, break, it's next week, that not long. It's the
fact of the matter is that the last time the
All Black properly played the actual A team if you will,
was it was late September. There's the stretch that's the problem,
not the problem, the difference between Japan and England.
Speaker 10 (26:42):
Yeah, yeah, there was. There has been a major break.
It's probably been a big, bigger break. It's it's like anything.
If you get a big break between things, your your performance,
your confidence can drop down.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Well, it won't be as well oiled, Jeff, it will
not be as well oiled. And that's what people are after,
and that's how you beat England, and England will still
be filthy about what happened earlier in the year. Ample
opportunity to beat the All Blacks all but it's got
it done. Sixteen, fifteen, twenty four, seventeen, could have lost.
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So now the Endlish have been lying there in wait
with sticks literally for us to turn up. Are we
going to come out? We're going to turn up underdone?
You sure, you've got to give the lesser players an
opportunity to state their claim, But I don't know if
this Geppeani Japanese game really is necessary. Take the hit.
(27:49):
You guys are secondary players. You're not going to play tough.
We need to prepare our best twenty three to take
on the endless next week, and they're not doing it. Hmmm.
Ten eighty lines are open. This is News Talks ZB.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Just twenty minutes eight.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Sports talk, caring, News Talks AB. I'll be having a
lovely evening. They're back on the park again. When I
say they, I mean the black Caps and the Indians.
It's pretty ugly stuff. We'll get to the phone shortly, Sean,
Just hang in there was it? When you consider what's
happened and the amount of wickets that have been lost,
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it's been bizarre. Two hundred and fifty nine is what
New Zealand scored, which is a score They probably could
have put another hundred more on, but inn't you one
hundred and seven for the loss of seven three weeks
and an As still trailed one hundred and fifty two runs.
This is scary. And the game is off again and
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Jadeja has defended a ball the first ball or second
ball of the day. Right, Just get back on the
phones now, they get a Sean, how are you.
Speaker 11 (29:25):
Good, Darky? How are you mate?
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Well?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Am I overly freaked out? Or am I just making
up things to be scared of?
Speaker 11 (29:31):
Oh, I don't know. It's an interesting one they make.
But I don't want to be contrary with you. But
if we don't play the beating, now where do they
get a chance to be all black for the thing
for the future?
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Well did this happen before?
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Wow?
Speaker 11 (29:47):
Before we used to have tours and all sorts of stuff, Darthy,
and I think super rugby was stronger, so you were
a better rugby player coming into death matches. But these
days I think they need to play the beating just
to give them some exposure to I don't know that
type of.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Rugby, well it grunts it But okay, sos this double
headed questioning for you saw on first up you say
that kind of rugby. Oh, it's suggests that these players
face sterner opposition in Super rugby than they do against
the Japanese. Is that fair?
Speaker 6 (30:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (30:17):
I think that's probably fair, probably less so now than
what we had a few years ago. Mate to the thing,
but I think it's more than just a game, right,
It's that whole match day preparation and being are starting
all black and that's for the thing, and it's just different.
So I get the trepidation, mate, but I think you've
got to trust in the protest.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yeah you can, but what about being what about somethinges?
What about maybe look where you're going to play still
because you haven't played in the thick end of a month.
And we'll give a couple of guys an opportunity. But
this is not a training ground. These are test matches.
Speaker 11 (30:50):
No, that's probably fair. That's probably fair, But I guess
the only way only point is it's a bit of
a balancing act these days for the thing, because I
just don't think that there is the volume of quality
rugby that there was once upon a time.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Rocket hard. It's difficult for them. I'm sure that they
I'm sure they're not listening now, Sean, and thanks for
your call. And God, he's got a point.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
What have we done?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I would I like to think that the powers that
be thought, wow, this is clear and present danger. We've
had no play for quite some time. We back our
men to do it. But it's England that twigged him.
It doesn't come but much more stern than that, maybe
South African Doeburgh or the French Paris. So this is
(31:36):
pretty full on. They're going to be undercooked, underdone. Hi, Vicky,
how are.
Speaker 12 (31:43):
You jolly good, thank you.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
It's just.
Speaker 12 (31:48):
I'm sort of just half to listen to what you're
talking about the Japanese rugby team, and I just want
to saf you. I took one of our really good
coaches coach.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Them, Joseph No, Robbie Deans, he's coaching over there. He
didn't coach them, but that doesn't matter. It's about what
they're not doing. That's what I'm looking at. It's gone
through a couple more texts for you. Calm down. It's
(32:24):
only a game of fraigby od Judy Jouney, Judy Judy.
Wouldn't it be awfully dull if the person sitting in
this chair was calm and measured. Sport survives on passion,
(32:44):
that's the purpose. This is why men like sports so much,
because it's actually the only place it's acceptable in society
for men to show emotion. They hug other men and
they cry openly, and they shout and they wail. Men
can't do that anywhere else in society except and sport.
(33:06):
Given the past to be humans in sport, that's why
they love it so much. So now I shan't calm down.
I mean, the sky probably won't fall if the All
Blacks lose to Japans, but why are we taking that risk?
Speaker 3 (33:18):
We can't take that as we don't have to find
out Checking Licking.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Where are you now?
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Help us out?
Speaker 2 (33:24):
And this texts here from Simon Darcy. I'm infinitely more
excited about the Formula one in Mexico, about the practice session,
a littlone qualifying of the race, much more so than
the All Blacks up against Japan. Go Liam, I'm with
you on that one nine o'clock Monday morning. Pretty scary
for Liam because it looks like he's going to steal
Checko's seat, says Jo Perry. And I've had some communications
(33:47):
on Twitter with some Mexican Formula one fans and you
think I'm out of control who I'm levelheaded and calm
compared to them. There's NEWSTALKSZB coming up. Talking football, John
Carlo Taliana, he coached the Phoenix, joins the program. It's
quart of the.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Way twelve, but minutes to eight.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
It is in the one hundred and seventeen for the
loss of seven. Washington two j D Jays on twenty
one I'm Talking Football Now were joined by the head
coach of the Wellington Phoenix, the manager of the gaffer
what you call him. Chiefly he goes by Carlo too
joins us. Now, welcome to the program. Last week you
got underway. It was a one all draw with Weston United.
(34:42):
It was looking pretty good instally. You ended with some
points that probably really what wasn't what you really wanted,
John Kelly, what was the biggest positive out of last
week's game?
Speaker 7 (34:54):
I think the positive was the first sixty seventy minutes.
I think for a large part, you know, we wed
large control of the game with the ball, and defensively,
I don't think they I think their first shot on
target was the actual goal, so they kind of showed
you where the game was at. And then I think
once they scored, and then you know, they had I
(35:16):
think I had some more energy off the bench with
the substitutions, and I think we kind of lost a
little bit of our structure. And again I think it
was it was probably the best opportunity time to, you know,
take advantage of the goal and the momentum, and in
the end we wrote it out. And the crazy thing
is we still had two big chances after the goal
that we could have capitalized on, and we didn't. So
(35:38):
all in all, I was very I was very pleased
with the performance up until you know, I made the substitutions,
and I think there's a lot to take from there.
There's you know, six new starters, we had a lot
of you know, I wouldn't say any imbalance, but we
have a lot of young players that's still finding their
feet in the league, which is very very It's not
(35:59):
an easy thing to you know, to make that shortfall
of experience. So again, we're one game better and we're
going to really tough opponent this week, so that's going
to be be a tough but we can we can
progress from that.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Must be quite difficult to fesce up to the fact
they had more energy off the beam. So that's got
a burn, doesn't it? For yourself and for your players too.
This is something that you can control, I would suggest,
So how do you bridge that? How do you talk
to the players about that? Because it's a bit of
a slap in the face, isn't it.
Speaker 7 (36:29):
Chiev Yeah, well, look, I think you'd like to think
in an ideal world, whenever you make a substitution, that
you know it's going to be positive, and that you
know sometimes you rely on the experience of the player
to get through and recognize, you know, the moments. But
you know, sometimes football is you know, it's never it's
never black and white. You know, sometimes you don't know
(36:50):
what the dynamic is on the pitch when you when
you make the substitutions. I've seen so many times. You know,
sometimes you take one player out could be the crucial peg,
and then you know it can fall very very quickly.
But I think it was more to do with the
fact that where I think both teams, you know, we're
at different points. Weston had a lot of preseason games.
(37:11):
We've had three well on the road for all of those,
we had a break, we had a lot of international windows.
I think it really came down more to you know,
really loads and legs in the end that can be
fixed with a longer periods.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
In our environment, you see the players finding their feet,
the young guys haven't he found their feet to a
degree actually made that progress or what you'd expect them
to make anyway under that kind of pressure.
Speaker 7 (37:39):
Yeah, maybe I'll scale that back a little bit, Like
if I look at you know, the success of last
year's team. You know, we had Finn Sermon, Bernald Alex Poulsen.
That was a generational players that did well. Even though
they were young. They were in the environment for about
two to three years, so they understood the pressures of
the league. They understood the intensity of the games. They
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understood the discipline and commitment that's needed in order to
sustain performance. Guys now, Hughesy Shares, Nathan Walker, Fin Kanchi,
they're in their second well not Nathan Walker, but the
other boys are all in their second year, so they've
experienced what they did last year. We limited game time,
I mean, usually played a significant part last year in
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terms of off the bench, but was never really a starter.
Shares as well the same. Fin Kanchi played a couple
of handful of starts and so on. So they're building
on those experiences.
Speaker 6 (38:32):
Now.
Speaker 7 (38:32):
What we need to bridge is that consistency of performance
and making sure that they can turn over, you know,
a week after week. And that's the hardest thing in
football is coming and playing at a level that's consistent
and you know, even on your worst performance, you know,
making sure that you know, if you're not playing an
eight out of ten, that you can still churn out
a you know, a six, you know, out of ten
(38:54):
and get you through the game. The problem is with
a lot of young players when they come into the league,
you know, because they're motivated, they come in, they want
to prove something. You know that the performance is usually
peaked at a very at a high level at the start.
But what usually happens is with a lot of young
players is once they ride through that initial peak, you know,
is that now expectation builds, and with the expectation becomes
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a heavier weight in terms of the mind and so on,
and then how you deal with that adversity. So you know,
the ones that survive, the ones that you know mentally
come prepared and have to go through that, that's suffering.
So our players are no different. I don't envisage that
their path, you know, is going to be, you know,
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one where they accelerate straight to the top. Ben Old,
for example, you know, he needed those three Well it's
four years in the environment, you know, in order to
get to where he did, you know, and he had
a couple of tough years where he wasn't even in
contention not playing. So these guys are all in the
same boat.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
It doesn't get any harder than traveling as far as
it's to take on Perth, which is a long way.
Every time you do this, regardless of how long you've
been around of the business, what tweaks do you feel
you have to make it easier? Is it possible or
is it more of a case of like it is
what it is, just get a monks. But I'm sure
(40:14):
from a performance point of view, you'd always be looking
at some way to negate the trip. Surely.
Speaker 7 (40:21):
Yeah, that's a good question. I mean I got to
ask before the thing is. I mean, I've been this
my six year at the club, and we've tried everything.
We've had longer extended periods here in Berth where we'vecome
a week early to prepare. We've had a two day
lead in, which is essentially come in. We had one
training session and one day off that I think we
lost that game as well. We won a game here
(40:43):
with a three day lead in and we didn't play
any football. We just low block Perth and just try
to hit them on the counter attack and that kind
of worked. But I think this's a secret formula. The
one thing that I've changed for this period is as
the first time we've ever done it, is train at
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the game time with an extended We've had three training
sessions starting at six forty five in the evening, and
to be honest, I'm learning more about this whole process
than I am with a normal routine. You know, it's
just filling in the days is probably the hardest part
to deal with, you know, like what the players are doing,
you know, waiting up until training. You can have meetings
(41:27):
and so on, but you know there's a lot of
waiting time. You don't want them to physically exert themselves
as well, because they have training and need to be applied,
so you know as well the acclimatization I've had in
the back of my head. The big thing is getting
rid of that time difference by training late. But also
I'm also putting one step ahead thinking about the derby
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the week after and making sure that you know, the players,
you know, are closer to training when they get back.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
With the hour difference, that derby will be huge. Some
Carlo Italian I know he'd coach manager at Gaffer of
the Wellington Phoenix. We thank you very much for your
time and it's so nice to talk to you. No,
there's so much more to this game than just formation.
Thank you, my friend.
Speaker 6 (42:11):
Thanks Nancy, you hear it from the biggest names and
sports and then have your say on always eighty eighty
Sports Talk or more on your home of sports News talks.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
It Me'm got to Italiana aka Chief. He's got to
be the calmest guy in sport, does it from a
coaching perspective, Very laid back, very cool and everybody freak out.
I like that, Although the Phoenix fans will be freaking
out next week because they've got this derby up against
the new kids on the block, Auckland FC, and they're
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going to come all the way back from Perth to
play them. Damn a league that's actually really really crappy,
isn't it. That's a really bad thing to do. Naughty
a league. Go to your room and think about what
you've done. It's medicae. Thanks very much for producing them,
Darcy Watergrave, Wishing you the best. Catch you again tomorrow
(43:07):
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Speaker 1 (43:16):
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Speaker 3 (00:40):
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Speaker 2 (00:42):
From now throe to eight o'clock eight hundred and eighty
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I think I've seen the worst shot that Veric Coley
has played in his entire illustrious test career. Shocking, unfavorably bad.
(01:15):
Maybe there's a wee bit of a bit of a slow,
dead pitch to blame, but I don't think I've ever
seen anything awful, more awful than then what I've seen.
Then Richard pant He's chimed in with another one just
as poor too, and then oh, the list goes on.
This is astonishing what's going on. Prepared a pitch to
beat New Zealand and they're beating themselves on the same deck.
(01:37):
We're in the lunch break now. Maybe later I'll go
through the card and let you know just how things
are going on. What's the point not going on at all?
It's been utter calamity for the hosts over in England.
Coming up on the show, we're gonna be talking about
a rugby we're gonna be talking a bit of football
(01:57):
as well. Carlo Telliamo joins us later on in the
piece to look at their away game on the other
side of the universe. They've gone off to Perth to
play football there, John Carlo, about that about preparation, how
do you actually deal with the vagaries of such a
long and miserable flight in regular season football. Of course,
(02:19):
next time when they come back from that, they've got
the local derby up against the Aucklanders. Very very odd
there go. We're going to start things off with Elliot Smith.
He's our man on the spot, rugby commentator rugby writer,
is the host of Rugby Direct podcast too, and of
course he commentates on the games. One of the All
(02:39):
Blacks on their Northern tour, which form since purposes, starts
off tomorrow in Japan. He joins us shortly to look
at that, and then we'll talk about the risk of
the strength of the team. Eight one hundred and eighty
ten eighty Are they biting off a little more than
they can chew by naming the side that they have
(03:00):
When you consider that the All Blacks they've been beaten
at home by Ireland, they've been beaten it home by Argentina,
and they eli get rolled by Japan a couple of
years ago. They haven't had the best time. Is this
really the right time to be doing what they're doing.
We'll talk about that later. We'll talk about Elliot Smith
and we'll talk about it with you on eight hundred
(03:21):
and eighty ten eighty. And if you've been watching a
cricket and you're dying to climb on and have a
shout here, by all means, I'm not going to stop
you from doing because that has been extraordinary. Right, let's
get amongst this today and sport today, Big Patty Till
upset Sir Patrick too plot and the Black captain for
this weekend's test is playing the fear card ahead of
(03:44):
the exchange. This is what we're going to be talking
about next. The team don't want to be the first
to fall to the break blossoms. The chances well, they
got close last time around a couple.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Of years back.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
That's seven points different and it's been the trend of
recent times for the All Blacks to choke up against
teams so the first time away or at home, So
possibly the fear is genuine.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Prepressions should never change, it should we burned deep and
genuine about how you're preparing. And Japan team has never
won against the Orblexert, so we recently don't want to
be the first team to let them have their skill.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Kiwi coach at Stacey Jones has been enamored with the
support of the locals for this weekends at double league
header in the anti christ Church.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
Oh, it's been amazing the support that they've got for
this game. You know, two world class teams performing and
the girls too. The support here has been outstanding.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
I can call it that. It's my hometown.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I lived there.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
It's okay to throw mad at your own right. The
break has got buffaloed. Last night in the NBL, the
lowly southeast Melbourne Phoenix humbled the home team who are
actually also down South and condemning them to the lowest
NBL score this season eighty eight beat sixty two. Coach
cop says they have the King's neck where they require.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
Collectively much better effort.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
We lost, you know, rebounds, We lost our fifty to
fifty boys. We didn't shoot the ball well.
Speaker 6 (05:17):
It's tough to win basketball games.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Indeed it is. And on the subject of Phoenix, but
a slightly different version of the Wellington Phoenix football Sam
Sutton looks to be back in boots again for this
Sunday's standoff against Perth, claims coach John Carlo.
Speaker 7 (05:32):
Italian such as audiences knock on water as all gone.
He's been running freely at training and looks very mobile
and he's back to his energetic best.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
And all from Jean Carlo later on in the piece.
It is eleven minutes after seven. This is sports Talk
on News Talk z B and.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
That Sport Today Air point.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Elliott, that's what we call him now. He's the commentator.
Is the man's the rugby editories off in Japan currently
is he's chasing the All Blacks through the hemispheres. Elliott,
Welcome to the We kick off the second part of
the season come Saturday evening. You're feeling a bit of
that energy around there, are you?
Speaker 8 (06:14):
And welcome absolutely Darcy Kanishiwa from Tokyo. It's been a
good week here in Tokyo with the All Blacks building
in to this test. There's a sense of excitement there
always is in Japan that the fans come out, and
the Japanese fans absolutely love the All Blacks, so they've
come out in numbers to support them this week, and
I think a good way for the All Blacks to
start this end of year to Japan will provide a
(06:37):
test tomorrow evening New Zealand time, no doubt about that.
But you just get the sense that the All Blacks
like being here, they like being around the Japanese people,
but are also ready to deliver a performance tomorrow evening.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Kpiyes. That's a terrible old term, but it's right. What
do we expect out of this? We know we're not
going to lose, well we think that's not the case anyway,
But what's the point. What do we get? What are
we trying to achieve out of this game?
Speaker 5 (07:04):
Well?
Speaker 8 (07:04):
I think, first and foremost to win, and let's not
forget two years ago in Tokyo, the All Blacks are
pushed very very hard by Japan, emerged with a thirty
eight thirty one victor victory, but it wasn't impressive from
the All Blacks and they started along. The Japan side
has lost a bit of experience since the n some retirement,
some injury withdrawals. At the moments, They've had a coaching
(07:25):
change Jeddie Jones now steering the good ship Japan at
the moment, so there's been some changes around and it
very much feels like a team building towards the next
World cut from a Japan perspective. For the All Blacks, though,
they need to deliver, they need to finish opportunities and
it's the big thing that they have not really been
able to do often enough this year. It's gained some
wins for them, no doubt about that, but you think
(07:47):
back to South Africa, missed opportunities constant there, Sydney, missed
opportunities constant there, and Wellington. They could have even blown
out the wild bees more than they did on the night,
but they missed some opportunities on that night in Wellington.
So the big thing for the All Blacks is they
look not only to this week but also the rest
of the tour is finishing their opportunities. From what I
can that they're very happy with number of opportunities they're
(08:09):
getting in games the number of penetrations inside the twenty
two that they're making on opposition sides, but they're just
not finishing them and they need to be more clinical.
And tomorrow afternoon tomorrow evening is a good opportunity to
try and find a bit more about themselves against the
japan side, which is I say, is lacking on a
bit of experience compared to some of those Japanese teams
your Blacks have played in the past.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
It's very difficult though, in consistency of selection and combinations
to create that when you are changing your sides week
in week out. And this is I won't say a
second string team, but it is not the run on fifteen.
It's not the primary twenty three. So what they achieve
(08:51):
out of this, it's all well and good, but does
it actually transfer to the thick end of the tour
without the consistency of the combinations.
Speaker 8 (08:59):
That's a good point, doesn't it. And eleven players have
jumped on a plane this morning from Tokyo and departed
early to London to begin preparations for next week, so
and there will all be starters. So yeah, that's a
fair point. You look at that and go how much
can you gain in terms of creating and completing opportunities. Well,
I think that's just a mindset shift from the All
Blacks is that if you do complete these opportunities tomorrow night,
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that could flow on further next week. A little bit
more confidence comes into the camp some of those players.
There will be players that play tomorrow afternoon that turn
around next week, so chance to state claims as well
and impressed their selection claim. So Penny Fee now haven't
seen much of him in recent times. Steven Peter Fitza
started the season as the All Blacks first choice full back,
(09:42):
then got injured. Patrick toy Bilotto is captaining this team tomorrow.
You know, he started the season as a first choice
lock alongside Scott Barrett, but injuries have seen him out
of the team and two y taking his chance. So
when you balance that out and go there's a number
of opportunities for these players to stake their claim for
more Test footballer. I think that's where the All Blacks
(10:03):
will want to get to tomorrow afternoon. A good performance
in all also have players pushing for selection as they
build to those big three weeks in the middle of
this tour.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Play your way in, play your way out, you'd suggest,
even with a superb game from any individual, considering the opposition,
I should pay more respect to the Japanese than I do.
As you mentioned thirty eight to thirty one? Was it recently,
but someone has a barnstormer of the game that necessarily
play them into contention for a start against those big three.
(10:33):
We're playing in conversy. If someone has an absolute shockgra bit,
more like it's proat more likely you can play your
way out than play your way in, If that makes sense.
Speaker 8 (10:42):
Quite possibly. Yeah, you look at someone though, that Cam Broyguards,
who has played two games of rugby since March, both
the counties and the comeback from injury. You know, he
was annointed as prohoups the All Blacks first choice halfback
with the form that he was in earlier on in
Super Rugby, but now has played fewer tests than Cortes Ratama,
who any debut earlier on this year. So he's going
(11:03):
to point to prove and stake his claim. Wouldn't expect
him to start against England, but if he has a
good match tomorrow then perhaps a start against Island is
in the offering for someone like camp Roygard Sam Penni
fin now another player mentioned there that has sort of
faded out and not been able to take his opportunities.
And Wallace a Titi has you stepped him? Wallace a
ted himself at number eight, a position that he's more
(11:24):
familiar with, could stake a claim there and put himself
in a position. So I guess it will depend on
the way the game plays out as to how much
he can read into performances and how things go from
a team perspective, But I think there are certain jerseys
and certain roles in this team that are up for
grabs as they head north. You know, eleven players have
gone up, but they've still got to fill out of
twenty three next week, and I think there's a few
(11:45):
contestable positions. Sevy recent mark to Lea for mine will
be playing off for one wing position next week, assuming
Will Jordan starts at fall back against England. Billy Proptor.
We liked what he saw from him against Fiji and
San Diego. He's had to hold the tackle bags for
the last few months since. If he can build on
that performance in San Diego, he gives some more questions
to the Goblins. So to build Black selectors. So I
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think there are opportunities, maybe not even outside the first
choice team, but just to get some more game time
for these players and build that twenty three because I
don't think the All Blacks have quite centered on their
first choice twenty three is yet with these big matches
to come, the.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Importance Elliott Smith of time together as a unit. From
a coaching point of view, the staff, the coaching staff
away from the gold Fish Bowl of New Zealand, they
can actually, I suppose, put more work in place without
interruptions from the outside, because even though they're not going
to lock themselves off from the public, this is the
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best place for team building there is to us like this.
Speaker 8 (12:45):
And they arrived a couple of days earlier in Japan
than they probably would have usually done so here since
Thursday of last week, so they've had a bit of
extra time to build into this tour. Didn't have a say,
New Zealand camp before they left. They went and flew
out and began their camp in Tokyo. They've been able
to build sessions there. They've been training out at the
(13:06):
through d Rock's team, one of the Japan League teams
that have been training out there, which is a bit
further out of Tokyo Bay, quite isolated the area that
they've been training in. They had to we scrimmage against
this Iitama wild Night some of the first choice players
midweek as well, so they've been able to do that
and get in camp and build some of those opportunities.
As I say with a night, it's not only this
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test this week, but also the weeks to come and
and time spends in camp, connections and training together can
only be valuable for this team. Rather than having to
hit the ground running and play a Test match within
five or so days of landing, they've had a bit
more time to build into it and build this campaign,
perhaps in detail as they would like to do.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
You've got a sense of the comfort around the relationship
with the team now because Scott's got his feet under
the desk now, don't gen doubt about that. He knows
where to do and they all know who the bosses
as well. He's sensing some more camaraderie amongst this team now.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (14:04):
Absolutely, Look, I think there's a sense that they obviously
have lost some test matches this year, but are confident
that they are on the right track. They know how
and why they lost those games in South Africa, for example,
in Argentina and Wellington, and they're feeling a little bit
more comfortable, I think from the outside looking in in
their shoes and the way that processes are going, and
and things that have been changed that you know, have
(14:25):
been the same for about twenty years in many ways
have now been changed from the outside by new people,
new fresh blood, bringing fresh ideas into this camp that
weren't met with resistance necessarily, but are changing the habits
of you know, a long time for a lot of
these people. I think there's a sense of comfort now
around that. Although having said that, the line that has
often trotted out by the all Blacks coaches and players
(14:46):
is all Blacks and never comfortable, So there is that
element of keeping everyone on their toes while also you know,
getting into that sense that you know what you're expecting
every game week and how you build into that. And
I think Scott Robinson's feeling more comfortable in the role.
He was asked during the week around sort of having
a thousand eyes on you. He said, well, it's more
like I have Milligan and that definitely is the case,
(15:08):
and I think that's been one of the things that
the coaching team have had to get their head around.
The intense scrutiny of the All Blacks is different to
a super rugby level team. You know, every moment in
a game is monitored heavily, more heavily than you know
a super rugby game, for example. So there are things
that both the coaching side, the management side and the
players are all getting used to. But it does feel
(15:28):
that they're getting more used to what is expected and
how to get good match results than maybe they were
at the start of the year.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
In July. You no need for the TMO.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
We've got the breakdowns on Sports Talk.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Elliott Smith from Tokyo ahead of this test match if
you can call it that mean played tomorrow, it's a
test and name or it'll be a test in practice
I supposed to see. So a couple of points out
of that, asking ya all about one what kind of
a risk is this? Now that may well be overstating
(16:10):
the case. You would not expect Japan at home to
come within kewey of an All Black team. This is
not the strongest all Black team. Yes, they are good players.
There are a number of players playing out of position.
There are players that have hardly touched the pig skin
(16:31):
in the last couple of months. There are a lack
of combinations returning players from injury that have hardly seen
the ball. This represents to gilded opportunity for Japan to
do something scary now. Patrick Twoklopod said, we don't want
(16:51):
to be the first team to lose to Japan. It
was only two years ago the Japanese didn't win. Was
only seven points? Was thirty one? I think it was
on his face at the all Blacks of recent times
have made a habit of losing. We don't like to
say that, but we've got to face it. We've beaten
(17:14):
it home by Argentina. We got beaten at home by Island.
We got beaten by Argentina the first time, only four
or five years ago. Not a lay down Massi anymore.
So what kind of a risk is this playing this
secondary team, this lesser team, up against the japan team,
(17:39):
the Japanese national team. I hope I'm horribly wrong and
it doesn't go a right and it's fine, but you
can see signs that suggest this is possibly not the
smartest thing to do. And this to me is double
edge and help me with this one. Not only is
(18:01):
it a risk for the All Blacks when it comes
to the result of the night over in Japan, here's
the bigger risk. As Elliot said, just eleven players are
on the plane. They've gone already. They're over there to
(18:21):
take on in the proper league of the Northern to
the English Sunday third November. He's sell on time ten
plus four in the morning. So that twenty three that
they name will be what they believe is arguably the
strongest team they have, and that will consist of a
number of the players that won't be playing. When did
(18:46):
those guys last play? When did those guys last fire
shot in Anger? I tell you it was the twenty
eighth of September when they beat the Australians thirty three thirteen,
give or take. With my rough counting skills, which are
fairly poor at the best of times, that's five weeks.
(19:10):
That is five weeks since our best team have suited
up of laystar but booted up and have presented a
united front against another team. Five weeks. How those guys
aren't even going to be there in Japan and they're
taking on England at Twickenham. This is reckless and yes,
(19:37):
unlikely that the Japanese will roll this secondary all black team.
It doesn't gnna be a pleasure saying that, but it is.
But what about the third of November. There's a team
that's facing the English that want our guts for garters
that have not played together as an oiled unit in
(20:00):
five weeks. Call it how I see it, it's just dumb.
I would like you to join in on this, not
necessarily agreeing with me, but telling me the logic behind this.
I can't see rhyme nor reasis. I don't understand on
both sides of the coin. It looks like a loss.
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty What kind of risk is
(20:22):
this for this weekend and next weekend? Tell me why
they're doing it. Tell me how much you believe they
stand to actually get a real punch in the eye
with this decision. I think the chances are huge. Twenty
six minutes after seven lines are open, O eight hundred
eighty ten eighty three phone nation wide, And also later
(20:43):
in the piece, Giancardo will Telliana he coach on the wellingson,
Phoenix joins the program, and when the black Cats back
on the pitch again, I'll be there to commentate. As
in your carry on to fold in a spectacular fashion.
You prep this pitch. This is your problem, not ours.
This is news talks.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
Itb the riffs call. You make a call on.
Speaker 9 (21:10):
Sports talk on your home of sport. These talks it bekis.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
She talks.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
It's hop fast at seven line's driving eight hundred and
eighteen ten eighty. It's Friday night. It's be a long weekend,
trying poor. If you're traveling, don't be in a hurry,
remove your lead foot, make like a little fonsie. As
you well know, it's best to get there late than
not get there at all. It's not ruined anyone's weekend
(21:52):
by driving like a lunatic. All right, it's my public
service message from the from the bottom of my heart.
I really mean that anything else is in the car
listening to this, and it was at the wheels driving
like a Yahoo have mo but don't write them too much.
They might crash. It's up past seventh. Let's talk about
the decisions that have been made at an all black level.
(22:17):
Read the selection of the team to take on Japan tomorrow,
and then the selection of the team to take on
the English next weekend. I'd find it bizarre. I'd welcome
you to call me and tell me how wrong I
(22:38):
am and why I am wrong. In isolation, it's understandable,
she would agree that some of the lesser players than
the All Black team are being given an opportunity to
blow some cobwebs, to get out there in the park,
have a grow, so have a go and maybe establish
(22:59):
themselves in the pecking order come the thick end of
the Northern Tour, which of course is England, Ireland, France,
in Italy. I'm not quite sure how much you'll learn
out of that. If we have a dominant performance on
any one individual, it's like taking on Fiji in America.
(23:25):
There's some dominant performances. But what did it mean. It
didn't mean a great deal for the All Blacks. It
meant more about the opposition. And I fear that. The
other fear I have, I'm a frightened man, aren't I
right now? The other fear I have is that because
this is a team that is short on experiences, short
on combinations, has lost the heart of the All Black
(23:49):
team that, let's face it, haven't really covered the world
in glory this season. They might actually get rolled by Japan.
This is not an outline now. The All Blacks have
shown vulnerability for the last few years. Who's to say
it won't happen again. And what's going to happen next
(24:09):
week against England? Who's going to play in that team?
Half of them wouldn't have played a game of football
in five weeks. That's great prep going to twickt him
to take on the English will be absolutely furious and
fuming at the All Blacks. I can't, I can't work
it out, Jeff, can you help me mate here?
Speaker 10 (24:32):
Mike, I'm sure the All Black coach has sorted this
team out to play Japan. If he didn't think that
the All Blacks were going to get smashed by Japan,
I'm sure he wouldn't be having these players out there now.
You know, it's a big decision for the All Breast
(24:54):
coach and I'm sure he's put a hell of a
lot of thought into it. You know, we've got New
Zealand has to face a fact that the All Blacks
can always lose. They're not going to what they may
not win every game, Well, that's.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
An impossibility that doesn't happen. Jeff, Absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 10 (25:17):
I think you know Scott Robinson, you know he's he
would he would be looking at all those players that
are going to go out there. They may not be
the top players in the All Blacks, but he must
be pretty confident that this team is going to go
out there and beat Japan. And I hope the All
(25:39):
Backs do one.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
They're not bad players and they probably should. But as
you've pointed out, I'm not going to win every game,
and of recent times, the All Blacks have lost games
that no one ever thought they were going to lose before,
and it's happened, it can happen. The rest of the
world is catching up. But Jiff, I ask you this,
what about next week? What about next week? The team
(26:01):
that goes out there, half the players wouldn't have played
a game in over a month, and it's England. Did
they even think about that?
Speaker 10 (26:10):
That's a big worry. That is a big worry. There's
a there's a big break between Japan and going out
there to play England. We've got England, We've got Ireland,
and et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Well, break, it's next week, that not long. It's the
fact of the matter is that the last time the
All Black properly played the actual A team if you will,
was it was late September. There's the stretch that's the problem,
not the problem, the difference between Japan and England.
Speaker 10 (26:42):
Yeah, yeah, there was. There has been a major break.
It's probably been a big, bigger break. It's it's like anything.
If you get a big break between things, your your performance,
your confidence can drop down.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Well, it won't be as well oiled, Jeff, it will
not be as well oiled. And that's what people are after,
and that's how you beat England, and England will still
be filthy about what happened earlier in the year. Ample
opportunity to beat the All Blacks all but it's got
it done. Sixteen, fifteen, twenty four, seventeen, could have lost.
(27:25):
So now the Endlish have been lying there in wait
with sticks literally for us to turn up. Are we
going to come out? We're going to turn up underdone?
You sure, you've got to give the lesser players an
opportunity to state their claim, But I don't know if
this Geppeani Japanese game really is necessary. Take the hit.
(27:49):
You guys are secondary players. You're not going to play tough.
We need to prepare our best twenty three to take
on the endless next week, and they're not doing it. Hmmm.
Ten eighty lines are open. This is News Talks ZB.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Just twenty minutes eight.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Sports talk, caring, News Talks AB. I'll be having a
lovely evening. They're back on the park again. When I
say they, I mean the black Caps and the Indians.
It's pretty ugly stuff. We'll get to the phone shortly, Sean,
Just hang in there was it? When you consider what's
happened and the amount of wickets that have been lost,
(28:56):
it's been bizarre. Two hundred and fifty nine is what
New Zealand scored, which is a score They probably could
have put another hundred more on, but inn't you one
hundred and seven for the loss of seven three weeks
and an As still trailed one hundred and fifty two runs.
This is scary. And the game is off again and
(29:16):
Jadeja has defended a ball the first ball or second
ball of the day. Right, Just get back on the
phones now, they get a Sean, how are you.
Speaker 11 (29:25):
Good, Darky? How are you mate?
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Well?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Am I overly freaked out? Or am I just making
up things to be scared of?
Speaker 11 (29:31):
Oh, I don't know. It's an interesting one they make.
But I don't want to be contrary with you. But
if we don't play the beating, now where do they
get a chance to be all black for the thing
for the future?
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Well did this happen before?
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Wow?
Speaker 11 (29:47):
Before we used to have tours and all sorts of stuff, Darthy,
and I think super rugby was stronger, so you were
a better rugby player coming into death matches. But these
days I think they need to play the beating just
to give them some exposure to I don't know that
type of.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Rugby, well it grunts it But okay, sos this double
headed questioning for you saw on first up you say
that kind of rugby. Oh, it's suggests that these players
face sterner opposition in Super rugby than they do against
the Japanese. Is that fair?
Speaker 6 (30:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (30:17):
I think that's probably fair, probably less so now than
what we had a few years ago. Mate to the thing,
but I think it's more than just a game, right,
It's that whole match day preparation and being are starting
all black and that's for the thing, and it's just different.
So I get the trepidation, mate, but I think you've
got to trust in the protest.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yeah you can, but what about being what about somethinges?
What about maybe look where you're going to play still
because you haven't played in the thick end of a month.
And we'll give a couple of guys an opportunity. But
this is not a training ground. These are test matches.
Speaker 11 (30:50):
No, that's probably fair. That's probably fair, But I guess
the only way only point is it's a bit of
a balancing act these days for the thing, because I
just don't think that there is the volume of quality
rugby that there was once upon a time.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Rocket hard. It's difficult for them. I'm sure that they
I'm sure they're not listening now, Sean, and thanks for
your call. And God, he's got a point.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
What have we done?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I would I like to think that the powers that
be thought, wow, this is clear and present danger. We've
had no play for quite some time. We back our
men to do it. But it's England that twigged him.
It doesn't come but much more stern than that, maybe
South African Doeburgh or the French Paris. So this is
(31:36):
pretty full on. They're going to be undercooked, underdone. Hi, Vicky,
how are.
Speaker 12 (31:43):
You jolly good, thank you.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
It's just.
Speaker 12 (31:48):
I'm sort of just half to listen to what you're
talking about the Japanese rugby team, and I just want
to saf you. I took one of our really good
coaches coach.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Them, Joseph No, Robbie Deans, he's coaching over there. He
didn't coach them, but that doesn't matter. It's about what
they're not doing. That's what I'm looking at. It's gone
through a couple more texts for you. Calm down. It's
(32:24):
only a game of fraigby od Judy Jouney, Judy Judy.
Wouldn't it be awfully dull if the person sitting in
this chair was calm and measured. Sport survives on passion,
(32:44):
that's the purpose. This is why men like sports so much,
because it's actually the only place it's acceptable in society
for men to show emotion. They hug other men and
they cry openly, and they shout and they wail. Men
can't do that anywhere else in society except and sport.
(33:06):
Given the past to be humans in sport, that's why
they love it so much. So now I shan't calm down.
I mean, the sky probably won't fall if the All
Blacks lose to Japans, but why are we taking that risk?
Speaker 3 (33:18):
We can't take that as we don't have to find
out Checking Licking.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Where are you now?
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Help us out?
Speaker 2 (33:24):
And this texts here from Simon Darcy. I'm infinitely more
excited about the Formula one in Mexico, about the practice session,
a littlone qualifying of the race, much more so than
the All Blacks up against Japan. Go Liam, I'm with
you on that one nine o'clock Monday morning. Pretty scary
for Liam because it looks like he's going to steal
Checko's seat, says Jo Perry. And I've had some communications
(33:47):
on Twitter with some Mexican Formula one fans and you
think I'm out of control who I'm levelheaded and calm
compared to them. There's NEWSTALKSZB coming up. Talking football, John
Carlo Taliana, he coached the Phoenix, joins the program. It's
quart of the.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Way twelve, but minutes to eight.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
It is in the one hundred and seventeen for the
loss of seven. Washington two j D Jays on twenty
one I'm Talking Football Now were joined by the head
coach of the Wellington Phoenix, the manager of the gaffer
what you call him. Chiefly he goes by Carlo too
joins us. Now, welcome to the program. Last week you
got underway. It was a one all draw with Weston United.
(34:42):
It was looking pretty good instally. You ended with some
points that probably really what wasn't what you really wanted,
John Kelly, what was the biggest positive out of last
week's game?
Speaker 7 (34:54):
I think the positive was the first sixty seventy minutes.
I think for a large part, you know, we wed
large control of the game with the ball, and defensively,
I don't think they I think their first shot on
target was the actual goal, so they kind of showed
you where the game was at. And then I think
once they scored, and then you know, they had I
(35:16):
think I had some more energy off the bench with
the substitutions, and I think we kind of lost a
little bit of our structure. And again I think it
was it was probably the best opportunity time to, you know,
take advantage of the goal and the momentum, and in
the end we wrote it out. And the crazy thing
is we still had two big chances after the goal
that we could have capitalized on, and we didn't. So
(35:38):
all in all, I was very I was very pleased
with the performance up until you know, I made the substitutions,
and I think there's a lot to take from there.
There's you know, six new starters, we had a lot
of you know, I wouldn't say any imbalance, but we
have a lot of young players that's still finding their
feet in the league, which is very very It's not
(35:59):
an easy thing to you know, to make that shortfall
of experience. So again, we're one game better and we're
going to really tough opponent this week, so that's going
to be be a tough but we can we can
progress from that.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Must be quite difficult to fesce up to the fact
they had more energy off the beam. So that's got
a burn, doesn't it? For yourself and for your players too.
This is something that you can control, I would suggest,
So how do you bridge that? How do you talk
to the players about that? Because it's a bit of
a slap in the face, isn't it.
Speaker 7 (36:29):
Chiev Yeah, well, look, I think you'd like to think
in an ideal world, whenever you make a substitution, that
you know it's going to be positive, and that you
know sometimes you rely on the experience of the player
to get through and recognize, you know, the moments. But
you know, sometimes football is you know, it's never it's
never black and white. You know, sometimes you don't know
(36:50):
what the dynamic is on the pitch when you when
you make the substitutions. I've seen so many times. You know,
sometimes you take one player out could be the crucial peg,
and then you know it can fall very very quickly.
But I think it was more to do with the
fact that where I think both teams, you know, we're
at different points. Weston had a lot of preseason games.
(37:11):
We've had three well on the road for all of those,
we had a break, we had a lot of international windows.
I think it really came down more to you know,
really loads and legs in the end that can be
fixed with a longer periods.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
In our environment, you see the players finding their feet,
the young guys haven't he found their feet to a
degree actually made that progress or what you'd expect them
to make anyway under that kind of pressure.
Speaker 7 (37:39):
Yeah, maybe I'll scale that back a little bit, Like
if I look at you know, the success of last
year's team. You know, we had Finn Sermon, Bernald Alex Poulsen.
That was a generational players that did well. Even though
they were young. They were in the environment for about
two to three years, so they understood the pressures of
the league. They understood the intensity of the games. They
(38:00):
understood the discipline and commitment that's needed in order to
sustain performance. Guys now, Hughesy Shares, Nathan Walker, Fin Kanchi,
they're in their second well not Nathan Walker, but the
other boys are all in their second year, so they've
experienced what they did last year. We limited game time,
I mean, usually played a significant part last year in
(38:22):
terms of off the bench, but was never really a starter.
Shares as well the same. Fin Kanchi played a couple
of handful of starts and so on. So they're building
on those experiences.
Speaker 6 (38:32):
Now.
Speaker 7 (38:32):
What we need to bridge is that consistency of performance
and making sure that they can turn over, you know,
a week after week. And that's the hardest thing in
football is coming and playing at a level that's consistent
and you know, even on your worst performance, you know,
making sure that you know, if you're not playing an
eight out of ten, that you can still churn out
a you know, a six, you know, out of ten
(38:54):
and get you through the game. The problem is with
a lot of young players when they come into the league,
you know, because they're motivated, they come in, they want
to prove something. You know that the performance is usually
peaked at a very at a high level at the start.
But what usually happens is with a lot of young
players is once they ride through that initial peak, you know,
is that now expectation builds, and with the expectation becomes
(39:17):
a heavier weight in terms of the mind and so on,
and then how you deal with that adversity. So you know,
the ones that survive, the ones that you know mentally
come prepared and have to go through that, that's suffering.
So our players are no different. I don't envisage that
their path, you know, is going to be, you know,
(39:38):
one where they accelerate straight to the top. Ben Old,
for example, you know, he needed those three Well it's
four years in the environment, you know, in order to
get to where he did, you know, and he had
a couple of tough years where he wasn't even in
contention not playing. So these guys are all in the
same boat.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
It doesn't get any harder than traveling as far as
it's to take on Perth, which is a long way.
Every time you do this, regardless of how long you've
been around of the business, what tweaks do you feel
you have to make it easier? Is it possible or
is it more of a case of like it is
what it is, just get a monks. But I'm sure
(40:14):
from a performance point of view, you'd always be looking
at some way to negate the trip. Surely.
Speaker 7 (40:21):
Yeah, that's a good question. I mean I got to
ask before the thing is. I mean, I've been this
my six year at the club, and we've tried everything.
We've had longer extended periods here in Berth where we'vecome
a week early to prepare. We've had a two day
lead in, which is essentially come in. We had one
training session and one day off that I think we
lost that game as well. We won a game here
(40:43):
with a three day lead in and we didn't play
any football. We just low block Perth and just try
to hit them on the counter attack and that kind
of worked. But I think this's a secret formula. The
one thing that I've changed for this period is as
the first time we've ever done it, is train at
(41:04):
the game time with an extended We've had three training
sessions starting at six forty five in the evening, and
to be honest, I'm learning more about this whole process
than I am with a normal routine. You know, it's
just filling in the days is probably the hardest part
to deal with, you know, like what the players are doing,
you know, waiting up until training. You can have meetings
(41:27):
and so on, but you know there's a lot of
waiting time. You don't want them to physically exert themselves
as well, because they have training and need to be applied,
so you know as well the acclimatization I've had in
the back of my head. The big thing is getting
rid of that time difference by training late. But also
I'm also putting one step ahead thinking about the derby
(41:47):
the week after and making sure that you know, the players,
you know, are closer to training when they get back.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
With the hour difference, that derby will be huge. Some
Carlo Italian I know he'd coach manager at Gaffer of
the Wellington Phoenix. We thank you very much for your
time and it's so nice to talk to you. No,
there's so much more to this game than just formation.
Thank you, my friend.
Speaker 6 (42:11):
Thanks Nancy, you hear it from the biggest names and
sports and then have your say on always eighty eighty
Sports Talk or more on your home of sports News talks.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
It Me'm got to Italiana aka Chief. He's got to
be the calmest guy in sport, does it from a
coaching perspective, Very laid back, very cool and everybody freak out.
I like that, Although the Phoenix fans will be freaking
out next week because they've got this derby up against
the new kids on the block, Auckland FC, and they're
(42:44):
going to come all the way back from Perth to
play them. Damn a league that's actually really really crappy,
isn't it. That's a really bad thing to do. Naughty
a league. Go to your room and think about what
you've done. It's medicae. Thanks very much for producing them,
Darcy Watergrave, Wishing you the best. Catch you again tomorrow
(43:07):
morning from seven here on News Talk SIBB. I'm from
twenty eight and seven.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
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Ding dong! Join your culture consultants, Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, on an unforgettable journey into the beating heart of CULTURE. Alongside sizzling special guests, they GET INTO the hottest pop-culture moments of the day and the formative cultural experiences that turned them into Culturistas. Produced by the Big Money Players Network and iHeartRadio.
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.