October 31, 2024 • 11 mins
The Black Caps are about to try put a cherry on top of their test series win over India.
The third test gets underway in Mumbai tomorrow afternoon our time.
Black Caps bowler Ajaz Patel spoke to D'Arcy Waldegrave on Sportstalk, and D'Arcy made sure to ask about the ten-wicket bag too.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from News Talk ZEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
It's ten minutes after seven AJS pttel on the show.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Now.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Aj Is of course, will be part of the team
that hopefully take on and take about India in Mumbai,
that game starting a roughly five o'clock tomorrow afternoon, with
the pending yet expected to be okay when Kendy he
joins us now and look, it's a simple old game
when it comes to beating the opposition. I suppose the
(00:38):
trick here after two consecutive victories is again keeping it simple.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Ag Is welcome on. I hope you're not over complicating this.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
No, I mean it's really you know, we know it's
going to be a challenge again and we know how
good India are at home, so it's always going to
be tough and they're always going to be coming out firing.
So yeah, it's about kind of continuing to do the
good stuff that we did and building on this stuff
that probably wasn't so great.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
So what wasn't so great started it, of course I'm
going to finish it. It wasn't so.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Great, I think, I mean for me personally, especially I think,
you know, continuing to build on that consistency with the
ball and stuff like that. And I think a bit
of luck goes a long way in this game as well.
But I think we've you know, shown some real character
with I guess our batting aspect as well, and batting
in tough conditions in India. Our batters have come out
(01:31):
firing shots and played some you know, top knocks, and
it's really about continuing to do that and continuing to
have that mindset of you know, being aggressive and being
positive and putting you know, some some runs on the
board and that's I suppose a positive, but it's also
then kind of capitalizing on those moments as well and
turning those partnerships into into big ones.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Mindset extremely important.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
But when you suggest, like we'll take the Indians onto
our own game, hey, people go, really you sure about that?
But didn't seem overly perturbed about what they were bringing
to the exchange.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
It was what you guys were doing.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Yeah, I think, I mean, you know, the mindset has
probably shifted a little bit, I guess in the in
the camp in terms of batting and batting in these conditions,
and you're.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
Seeing guys take on more.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
I suppose if you looked at it from the outside,
it probably look like har risk options. But these are
options that guys are practicing day and day out, so
they're not necessarily high risks for the individual. And it's
guys taking on the options that are strong and suited
to them and taking the game on that way. And
it's it's been really positive to see and obviously like
sometimes you're going to fail, but it's about kind of
continuing to trust in that work and continuing to back
(02:40):
that ability to really play those positive shots and have
that intent from the word go.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Watching Mitchell Santana do what Mitchell Santana did and knowing
him like we do. He's hardly going to go into
the shed up and goes, hey, check me out, bro.
He's going to go that week okay, And you didn't
have the greatest of success. But an important part of
the holding pattern do you look at Mitchell and go,
what are you doing that I'm not doing right now?
(03:06):
What did you learn from him?
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Ah?
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Well, I mean I think he showed well, you know,
having good control on a surface, especially a surface, that's
a system you can do. But also it's kind of
understanding that you know, he's on top of the world
and he's bowling phenomenally at the moment, and he's got
great rhythm. So it was my role at the other
end to make sure, I guess I kept supporting him
and making sure that we're tying out both ends so
(03:29):
that way he can continue to attack from the other
And sometimes you have to take a back seat, and
you know, it's how you really have to operate.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
I guess it's.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Really about team performances in this part of the world.
And you know, yes, obviously, individually he had a phenomenal
outing and he bowled exceptionally well, but I thought as
a whole, the guys did their roles quite well in
terms of, you know, myself and GP from the other end,
holding and then chipping in bits and pieces. But yeah,
I guess, you know, he was phenomenal and had an
(03:58):
amazing game, and I think, you know, you can't take
that away from him. He bowled exceptionally with great control
and his guile and everything like that. Everything he loved
to see as a spinner. He had it all and
it was just brilliant to watch.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Came out of the blue for a lot of people
when you've been around, even though what he's like, you've
seen him, and the hugely surprise you that it had
this effect in the red ball game when the white
ball game is basically where he's made his name, And
were there any hints early on in the b Saget.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
I don't think within the environment, I don't think it
comes as too much of a surprise if I'm honest, like, yeah,
he's obviously you know, he's been crafted in the white
ball game and he's been phenomenal in the white ball arena,
but he's always had the attributes to be a very
good spinner in terms of Test cricket, and you know,
having more opportunities and more game time, I guess he's
just figuring out what his method is and we saw
(04:45):
it last game, like what he's capable of.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
So it's just about, you know, for us.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
As spinners, it's about getting opportunities and it's about growing
from those opportunities and figuring out, you know, what our
method is as individuals.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
I mean it's different for everyone.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
And bowling in the nets, he's exceptional who puts a
lot on the ball. He's got great ball control and
he's got all the skills.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
To be you know, a test spinner.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
It's just you know, obviously getting those opportunities over and
over again for all of us. And yeah, I don't
think too many people in the camp were surprised, to
be honest with you. It was look from the outside,
it looks like he hasn't had that much success. But
also if you watch closely in a lot of those
other games, he was I guess fulfilling the opposite role
and he was probably being the holding person and holding
(05:30):
the other end while we could attack from the other side.
So it just kind of goes backwards and forwards, and
it's about us as a unit, you know, continuing to
perform and I guess putting performances out there so we
can put our team in a position to win a game.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Going just out of your thirty six birthday and you're
kind of playing a home game in Mumbai, does that
still carry a.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Lot of weight for you, Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean,
I love Mumbai.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
I mean it's definitely a second home for me, and
I spent a lot of time in Mumbai, so it's
always quite special being back here. But to have the
opportunity to play here more is quite exciting.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
And obviously there'll be probably a little bit more pressure.
I guess coming back.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Last time it was kind of, you know, just exciting
to be in Mumbai and playing Mumbai.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
But I guess this time around there.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Will probably be a little bit more added pressure for
certain reasons.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
But yeah, no, it's always cool to be in Mumbai
and play Mumbai. But it's certainly quite hot at the moment.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
I'd expect that completely understandable and when you go back there,
because I had an Indian resident call me a couple
of weeks ago on air and we're talking about why
it's so hard to actually beat India in their own
backyard and he goes, mat, I'm an Indian, but I
go home every couple of years, and he goes it
takes me a week to get used to the place,
and I come from there. It's something quite extraordinary, and
it's really hard to actually to settle into. You guys
(06:47):
will probably be settled by now, i'd suggest, although the
locals might be giving a week bit of grief. Are
you feeling that energy from everybody?
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Not really.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
I mean, obviously everyone's very passionate about cricket over here,
but they also, you know, they also respect good performances,
I guess, and I think they also appreciate how difficult
it is to be India in India, and you know
that we've gone out there and done something quite special,
So I think they respect that. But they get around
the team, no doubt about it. I guess for us it's.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
About now we're at a new venue, and it's really about.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
I guess, acclimatizing to the conditions again and adapting to
what we are going to face. And it'll be interesting
to see what this wicket brings and how it plays,
and then it's about us adapting to that, and I guess,
you know, taking positive options based on that surface.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
What's it going to do? When Kenny, what's it like?
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Do you have any idea how it's going to respond,
how it's going to react.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
I think it'll certainly have a bit more pace in
the surface from the last wicket, and definitely have a
bit more bound because it's predominantly red soil, which tends
to have those two attributes. And then it'll be interesting
to see how much it really turns. I mean, it's
looking pretty dry at the minute, and it'll be interesting
to see how it kind of looks closer to game time,
and also this heat that things can change very very
(08:00):
quickly and that moisture kind of.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Comes out of the surface very quick.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
So it's just, yeah, I guess for us, it's making
sure we adapt from session decision and day to day
and I guess take up the challenges that are presented
to us.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
As far as the health of the side goes, I
believe there's a question mark. Maybe still have a Matt
Henry and Mitchell Santra as well to date.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Where are they.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Standing at the moment. I'm presuming you've got a medical
degree and you can.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Details at tell.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
To be honest with you, I mean, they both bold
and better today, so I can't really give you too much.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
I think the medical staff will probably have a bit
more and fro on that.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Yeah, but obviously they're keeping a close eye on both
of them and seeing, you know how they fear going
into this one. But yeah, well I'm not one hundred
percent sure, if I'm completely honest with you, but hopefully
all things going well and they're both kind of fitting
ready to go.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Well. I know something you do know even about that's yourself.
How's you? How's your ring? How you feeling, how's your
head space?
Speaker 5 (09:00):
Yeah, I'm good, I'm good.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
I mean, you know, it's always exciting to play to
his script for New Zealand and having thosepportunities to represent
your country is always quite special. So I think every
time you get the opportunity to do that, it's it's
quite amazing. And I guess for me to be back
in Mumbai and be in India is pretty cool as well.
I mean, you know, being in the country of my
birth but also the city of my birth now is
(09:22):
pretty surreal, to be honest with you.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
And I remember last time I was.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Here, I couldn't believe that I was here, and I
guess I have the same feeling coming back this time around.
If I'm honest, I didn't think I would ever get
another opportunity to play here again. So it's actually quite
exciting to kind of be back here and you know,
have the prospect of getting out there again.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Jeez, you've done so well the whole time I've been
chatting and even talking about the elephant in the room.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Come on, mate, you must have fond memories ten for
one hundred and nineteen, Come on, bro.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Yeah, certainly, fond memories obviously, but at the same time,
the game didn't really.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
Kind of pan out the way that we would have liked.
I guess.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
I guess that's the other thing I always tend to
look at, as you know, I guess the results. You know,
when you take fifers and your team's winning, it's always
quite cool, and when, yeah, when it doesn't quite go
your way, it kind of probably doesn't feel as good.
But in saying that, I can't lie and say that,
you know, taking ten workers in the game's not satisfying it.
I think it's the eputomy of the game and you
(10:18):
can't really you know, not that feeling. But at the
same time, I mean to be honest, I still probably
don't really comprehend it, and I probably won't until I've
kind of finished my career off. It's a weird thing
to say, but it's kind of hard to really describe
really in that that feeling because I guess you never
expect something like that to happen or achieve something like that.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Nobody did like you, Kumbay Ptel, I mean, really quite extraordinary.
But I'm sure you'll park that you'll get amongst and
hopefully completely whitewashed the Indians. This could be a magnificent
five days, four days, three days of Test cricket.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
I just for tell, never at all speaking to you.
Get ma enjoy yourself.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
It's ten minutes after seven AJS pttel on the show.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Now.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Aj Is of course, will be part of the team
that hopefully take on and take about India in Mumbai,
that game starting a roughly five o'clock tomorrow afternoon, with
the pending yet expected to be okay when Kendy he
joins us now and look, it's a simple old game
when it comes to beating the opposition. I suppose the
(00:38):
trick here after two consecutive victories is again keeping it simple.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Ag Is welcome on. I hope you're not over complicating this.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
No, I mean it's really you know, we know it's
going to be a challenge again and we know how
good India are at home, so it's always going to
be tough and they're always going to be coming out firing.
So yeah, it's about kind of continuing to do the
good stuff that we did and building on this stuff
that probably wasn't so great.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
So what wasn't so great started it, of course I'm
going to finish it. It wasn't so.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Great, I think, I mean for me personally, especially I think,
you know, continuing to build on that consistency with the
ball and stuff like that. And I think a bit
of luck goes a long way in this game as well.
But I think we've you know, shown some real character
with I guess our batting aspect as well, and batting
in tough conditions in India. Our batters have come out
(01:31):
firing shots and played some you know, top knocks, and
it's really about continuing to do that and continuing to
have that mindset of you know, being aggressive and being
positive and putting you know, some some runs on the
board and that's I suppose a positive, but it's also
then kind of capitalizing on those moments as well and
turning those partnerships into into big ones.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Mindset extremely important.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
But when you suggest, like we'll take the Indians onto
our own game, hey, people go, really you sure about that?
But didn't seem overly perturbed about what they were bringing
to the exchange.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
It was what you guys were doing.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Yeah, I think, I mean, you know, the mindset has
probably shifted a little bit, I guess in the in
the camp in terms of batting and batting in these conditions,
and you're.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
Seeing guys take on more.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
I suppose if you looked at it from the outside,
it probably look like har risk options. But these are
options that guys are practicing day and day out, so
they're not necessarily high risks for the individual. And it's
guys taking on the options that are strong and suited
to them and taking the game on that way. And
it's it's been really positive to see and obviously like
sometimes you're going to fail, but it's about kind of
continuing to trust in that work and continuing to back
(02:40):
that ability to really play those positive shots and have
that intent from the word go.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Watching Mitchell Santana do what Mitchell Santana did and knowing
him like we do. He's hardly going to go into
the shed up and goes, hey, check me out, bro.
He's going to go that week okay, And you didn't
have the greatest of success. But an important part of
the holding pattern do you look at Mitchell and go,
what are you doing that I'm not doing right now?
(03:06):
What did you learn from him?
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Ah?
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Well, I mean I think he showed well, you know,
having good control on a surface, especially a surface, that's
a system you can do. But also it's kind of
understanding that you know, he's on top of the world
and he's bowling phenomenally at the moment, and he's got
great rhythm. So it was my role at the other
end to make sure, I guess I kept supporting him
and making sure that we're tying out both ends so
(03:29):
that way he can continue to attack from the other
And sometimes you have to take a back seat, and
you know, it's how you really have to operate.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
I guess it's.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Really about team performances in this part of the world.
And you know, yes, obviously, individually he had a phenomenal
outing and he bowled exceptionally well, but I thought as
a whole, the guys did their roles quite well in
terms of, you know, myself and GP from the other end,
holding and then chipping in bits and pieces. But yeah,
I guess, you know, he was phenomenal and had an
(03:58):
amazing game, and I think, you know, you can't take
that away from him. He bowled exceptionally with great control
and his guile and everything like that. Everything he loved
to see as a spinner. He had it all and
it was just brilliant to watch.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Came out of the blue for a lot of people
when you've been around, even though what he's like, you've
seen him, and the hugely surprise you that it had
this effect in the red ball game when the white
ball game is basically where he's made his name, And
were there any hints early on in the b Saget.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
I don't think within the environment, I don't think it
comes as too much of a surprise if I'm honest, like, yeah,
he's obviously you know, he's been crafted in the white
ball game and he's been phenomenal in the white ball arena,
but he's always had the attributes to be a very
good spinner in terms of Test cricket, and you know,
having more opportunities and more game time, I guess he's
just figuring out what his method is and we saw
(04:45):
it last game, like what he's capable of.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
So it's just about, you know, for us.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
As spinners, it's about getting opportunities and it's about growing
from those opportunities and figuring out, you know, what our
method is as individuals.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
I mean it's different for everyone.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
And bowling in the nets, he's exceptional who puts a
lot on the ball. He's got great ball control and
he's got all the skills.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
To be you know, a test spinner.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
It's just you know, obviously getting those opportunities over and
over again for all of us. And yeah, I don't
think too many people in the camp were surprised, to
be honest with you. It was look from the outside,
it looks like he hasn't had that much success. But
also if you watch closely in a lot of those
other games, he was I guess fulfilling the opposite role
and he was probably being the holding person and holding
(05:30):
the other end while we could attack from the other side.
So it just kind of goes backwards and forwards, and
it's about us as a unit, you know, continuing to
perform and I guess putting performances out there so we
can put our team in a position to win a game.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Going just out of your thirty six birthday and you're
kind of playing a home game in Mumbai, does that
still carry a.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Lot of weight for you, Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean,
I love Mumbai.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
I mean it's definitely a second home for me, and
I spent a lot of time in Mumbai, so it's
always quite special being back here. But to have the
opportunity to play here more is quite exciting.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
And obviously there'll be probably a little bit more pressure.
I guess coming back.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Last time it was kind of, you know, just exciting
to be in Mumbai and playing Mumbai.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
But I guess this time around there.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Will probably be a little bit more added pressure for
certain reasons.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
But yeah, no, it's always cool to be in Mumbai
and play Mumbai. But it's certainly quite hot at the moment.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
I'd expect that completely understandable and when you go back there,
because I had an Indian resident call me a couple
of weeks ago on air and we're talking about why
it's so hard to actually beat India in their own
backyard and he goes, mat, I'm an Indian, but I
go home every couple of years, and he goes it
takes me a week to get used to the place,
and I come from there. It's something quite extraordinary, and
it's really hard to actually to settle into. You guys
(06:47):
will probably be settled by now, i'd suggest, although the
locals might be giving a week bit of grief. Are
you feeling that energy from everybody?
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Not really.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
I mean, obviously everyone's very passionate about cricket over here,
but they also, you know, they also respect good performances,
I guess, and I think they also appreciate how difficult
it is to be India in India, and you know
that we've gone out there and done something quite special,
So I think they respect that. But they get around
the team, no doubt about it. I guess for us it's.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
About now we're at a new venue, and it's really about.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
I guess, acclimatizing to the conditions again and adapting to
what we are going to face. And it'll be interesting
to see what this wicket brings and how it plays,
and then it's about us adapting to that, and I guess,
you know, taking positive options based on that surface.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
What's it going to do? When Kenny, what's it like?
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Do you have any idea how it's going to respond,
how it's going to react.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
I think it'll certainly have a bit more pace in
the surface from the last wicket, and definitely have a
bit more bound because it's predominantly red soil, which tends
to have those two attributes. And then it'll be interesting
to see how much it really turns. I mean, it's
looking pretty dry at the minute, and it'll be interesting
to see how it kind of looks closer to game time,
and also this heat that things can change very very
(08:00):
quickly and that moisture kind of.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Comes out of the surface very quick.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
So it's just, yeah, I guess for us, it's making
sure we adapt from session decision and day to day
and I guess take up the challenges that are presented
to us.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
As far as the health of the side goes, I
believe there's a question mark. Maybe still have a Matt
Henry and Mitchell Santra as well to date.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Where are they.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Standing at the moment. I'm presuming you've got a medical
degree and you can.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Details at tell.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
To be honest with you, I mean, they both bold
and better today, so I can't really give you too much.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
I think the medical staff will probably have a bit
more and fro on that.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Yeah, but obviously they're keeping a close eye on both
of them and seeing, you know how they fear going
into this one. But yeah, well I'm not one hundred
percent sure, if I'm completely honest with you, but hopefully
all things going well and they're both kind of fitting
ready to go.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Well. I know something you do know even about that's yourself.
How's you? How's your ring? How you feeling, how's your
head space?
Speaker 5 (09:00):
Yeah, I'm good, I'm good.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
I mean, you know, it's always exciting to play to
his script for New Zealand and having thosepportunities to represent
your country is always quite special. So I think every
time you get the opportunity to do that, it's it's
quite amazing. And I guess for me to be back
in Mumbai and be in India is pretty cool as well.
I mean, you know, being in the country of my
birth but also the city of my birth now is
(09:22):
pretty surreal, to be honest with you.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
And I remember last time I was.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Here, I couldn't believe that I was here, and I
guess I have the same feeling coming back this time around.
If I'm honest, I didn't think I would ever get
another opportunity to play here again. So it's actually quite
exciting to kind of be back here and you know,
have the prospect of getting out there again.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Jeez, you've done so well the whole time I've been
chatting and even talking about the elephant in the room.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Come on, mate, you must have fond memories ten for
one hundred and nineteen, Come on, bro.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Yeah, certainly, fond memories obviously, but at the same time,
the game didn't really.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
Kind of pan out the way that we would have liked.
I guess.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
I guess that's the other thing I always tend to
look at, as you know, I guess the results. You know,
when you take fifers and your team's winning, it's always
quite cool, and when, yeah, when it doesn't quite go
your way, it kind of probably doesn't feel as good.
But in saying that, I can't lie and say that,
you know, taking ten workers in the game's not satisfying it.
I think it's the eputomy of the game and you
(10:18):
can't really you know, not that feeling. But at the
same time, I mean to be honest, I still probably
don't really comprehend it, and I probably won't until I've
kind of finished my career off. It's a weird thing
to say, but it's kind of hard to really describe
really in that that feeling because I guess you never
expect something like that to happen or achieve something like that.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Nobody did like you, Kumbay Ptel, I mean, really quite extraordinary.
But I'm sure you'll park that you'll get amongst and
hopefully completely whitewashed the Indians. This could be a magnificent
five days, four days, three days of Test cricket.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
I just for tell, never at all speaking to you.
Get ma enjoy yourself.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
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