November 7, 2024 • 8 mins
Former All Blacks Coach Laurie Mains joined D'Arcy Waldegrave to discuss the squad named to play Ireland this coming Saturday.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildegrave
from News Talks that'd be It's.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
All about Rugby on the show now, and we're joined
by a former All Black coach, Lorry Mains, as we
look towards Saturday morning's big pie fight in Ireland. Welcome
Larry Mains.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I trust you well, yes, I'm very well. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
This has got so much on it and when you
look back to what happened in a quarter final, and
of course everybody is very focused on that World Cup game,
there is so much for both sides to take away
from that game and to apply to the game coming
up on Saturday morning. Is there a chance that the
Irish could get too tied up on revenge and the
(00:49):
All Blacks the same.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Well, let's hope they do. I mean that game shouldn't
come into the preparations for this match. That era is
over for both teams. The era leading up to that
World Cup quarterfinal is over. Both of these teams should
be starting a gain in to build for the next
World Cup. If Ireland going with a revenge attitude, I
(01:11):
don't think it'll work out well for them.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Looking at the lineups for the two teams. There's been
some adjustments, some changes forced by injury with type Ferling
of course for the Iris. But no Boden, Barrett, no
Cody Taylor. How much of a body blow is that?
Do you think Laurie to the run on fifteen, indeed
the entire twenty three.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
I think they'll miss Boden you know, whether it was
he was going to be starting or whether you know
he was going to come off the bench, he'll be missed.
And Cody Taylor, I think his form this year has
been simply outstanding, so he'll be missed as well. But
if Amua gets the line outs right. He was a
(01:52):
fantastic player around the park against England and I'm sure
they worked very hard a week to get the lineouts
right and if that comes right then it won't be
too too big a blow to the All Blacks at all.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Agitation between the two sides. They're not shy and coming
forward with what they think the Irish team or the
Irish media as well. Does that add extra intensity? The
fact there is friction between these two sides, do you
think Well, I don't.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Know if there's friction. I think both teams have got
a great respect for each other, you know, I mean,
everybody plays tactics and if the Irish think that, you know,
maybe attacking the all blacks in the media, you know,
may unsettle them or wind them up too much, then
so be it. But believe me, I think the spirit
between the two teams is pretty strong. I think it
(02:42):
wouldn't have been as I think it would be better
than maybe what it was last week.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
When you look at the selections here Laurie and there
are some interesting ones playing the injury and forced changes.
Talk to me first about Courtiz Ratama. There was a
thought process that maybe cam Royguard might get the NOD,
but no, Courties is going to start talk to us
about that.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Well. Guard is an outstanding rugby player, but I don't
think he's back to his best yet. He hasn't been
playing very long and Courtez Ratherma has played really well.
There's not much between the two of them, if anything,
and I think probably cam Roy Guard, with some of
his explosive skills running, coming on as a replacement could
(03:30):
well be a decisive factor. I think it's been I
believe it's been cleverly done and Courtis didn't deserve to
be dropped. He's played great rugby.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Another point around their selection here is prop Ethan the
group misses out on the match day squad like he
did through disciplinary reasons last week. Robertson said it was
a performance decision to go with to Mighty Williams over
to group. He was in there, he played well last week.
Talk to us even though you can't delve into it
(04:02):
because you're not Scott Robertson, you don't know what happened there.
It talked us about internal discipline and the way the
All Blacks have kept this very much to themselves, if
not said too much, and it's been it's been watertight.
Is that a positive? Is this the way the All
Blacks should deal with internal disciplinary issues?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Yes? It is. And I'm delighted that the the whatever
happened has not been sniffed out by anyone. That that
shows real strength of character in the team and team spirit.
And I'm delighted and I'll be very happy if I
never ever hear what happened and I can see you know,
(04:45):
Ethan Degruz has been regarded as number one. He may
be at scrum time a shade better than the Mighty Williams.
There's not a lot in it. But last week I
was really impressed with Williams's work around the paddock. He's
quite explosive running with a ball and I thought he
played really well. And he's to be selected again.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
So you give someone an opportunity, I suppose it's there
to be taken, isn't it. And that's just the cruel
nature of selection in any team. And to Mighty got
given the opportunity, took it.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Yeah, well that's exactly what you want in the team.
And believe me, those All Blacks all respect each other
doing that very thing, and Ethan the group will respect
to Mighty Williams. If that's the reason he's selected again
this week because of his performance last week, I'm sure
Ethan will be right behind him, supporting him in that.
(05:41):
That's what the All Blacks are about.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
We'll look slightly closer at the dark arts shortly on
that just around the public perception of this. They don't
know what happened, so in a vacuum people fill up
with all sorts of stuff. Did the public not have
a right to know what the problem was with Ethan.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
The greet No?
Speaker 3 (06:01):
No, I think I think that that needs to be
kept in house, and I really respect the team and
it's the whole team and the greater team with the
management and everything have been tight looked about it, and
I think that's a good thing. I don't think it
was a major there go I you know, there may
(06:22):
have been a disciplinary slip which caused him not being
selected last week, and to Mighty Williams said, Okay, I've
got to go. I want to play again next week.
So I am having a big game, and he did
have a big gun.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
We know he's passed, don't we. It's definitely Scott Robertson's team.
He's definitely made his mark on that. This is what's happening.
No league's coming out of it. So you said about
it management. But it's a big tick, isn't it for
Razor Robertson.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Well, it is. And we're starting to see in the
All Blacks the same sort of culture and development that
we saw with the Great Crusader sides that he coached.
And I'm sure this is what we all wanted to
see stepping up another level that Scott Robertson does the
same thing with the All Blacks, and I can see
(07:09):
it happening, and believe me, at international level, when you
have the quality of opposition that the All Blacks have
had this year, it doesn't happen overnight. And you know,
for me, he's tracking pretty well and I think we're
going to see a significant upturn next year. We may
even see it on the remainder of this tour.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Just focusing back on to Mighty Williams. He yeah, you
said impress around the park a couple of times he
got penned at scrum time, suggestions maybe that it wasn't
necessarily his fault. It's still a lottery though, isn't it, Larry.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
It is one of them fifty to fifty the other one. No,
he wasn't the fault of the scrum going down. And
unless you've worked with front row players like I was
a Ford coach, worked with three of the best with
the Sitty and Richard Lowe and Olo Brown, you know
they took some beating when it came to the tactics
(08:07):
you can use in the front row. And referees can't
be expected to know exactly what's going on. And unless
they know one hundred percent, unless they would be prepared
to put their house on a decision, there shouldn't be
awarding penalties. I know they're told, you know, if there's collapse, CRuMs,
(08:29):
there's got to be penalties. Well, unfortunately they're getting too
many of them wrong, and games can be won and
lost because the referees put in a position where he's
got to make a decision that he doesn't really have
one hundred percent confidence in.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
For more from sports Talk, listen Lived and News Talks.
They'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildegrave
from News Talks that'd be It's.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
All about Rugby on the show now, and we're joined
by a former All Black coach, Lorry Mains, as we
look towards Saturday morning's big pie fight in Ireland. Welcome
Larry Mains.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I trust you well, yes, I'm very well. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
This has got so much on it and when you
look back to what happened in a quarter final, and
of course everybody is very focused on that World Cup game,
there is so much for both sides to take away
from that game and to apply to the game coming
up on Saturday morning. Is there a chance that the
Irish could get too tied up on revenge and the
(00:49):
All Blacks the same.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Well, let's hope they do. I mean that game shouldn't
come into the preparations for this match. That era is
over for both teams. The era leading up to that
World Cup quarterfinal is over. Both of these teams should
be starting a gain in to build for the next
World Cup. If Ireland going with a revenge attitude, I
(01:11):
don't think it'll work out well for them.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Looking at the lineups for the two teams. There's been
some adjustments, some changes forced by injury with type Ferling
of course for the Iris. But no Boden, Barrett, no
Cody Taylor. How much of a body blow is that?
Do you think Laurie to the run on fifteen, indeed
the entire twenty three.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
I think they'll miss Boden you know, whether it was
he was going to be starting or whether you know
he was going to come off the bench, he'll be missed.
And Cody Taylor, I think his form this year has
been simply outstanding, so he'll be missed as well. But
if Amua gets the line outs right. He was a
(01:52):
fantastic player around the park against England and I'm sure
they worked very hard a week to get the lineouts
right and if that comes right then it won't be
too too big a blow to the All Blacks at all.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Agitation between the two sides. They're not shy and coming
forward with what they think the Irish team or the
Irish media as well. Does that add extra intensity? The
fact there is friction between these two sides, do you
think Well, I don't.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Know if there's friction. I think both teams have got
a great respect for each other, you know, I mean,
everybody plays tactics and if the Irish think that, you know,
maybe attacking the all blacks in the media, you know,
may unsettle them or wind them up too much, then
so be it. But believe me, I think the spirit
between the two teams is pretty strong. I think it
(02:42):
wouldn't have been as I think it would be better
than maybe what it was last week.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
When you look at the selections here Laurie and there
are some interesting ones playing the injury and forced changes.
Talk to me first about Courtiz Ratama. There was a
thought process that maybe cam Royguard might get the NOD,
but no, Courties is going to start talk to us
about that.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Well. Guard is an outstanding rugby player, but I don't
think he's back to his best yet. He hasn't been
playing very long and Courtez Ratherma has played really well.
There's not much between the two of them, if anything,
and I think probably cam Roy Guard, with some of
his explosive skills running, coming on as a replacement could
(03:30):
well be a decisive factor. I think it's been I
believe it's been cleverly done and Courtis didn't deserve to
be dropped. He's played great rugby.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Another point around their selection here is prop Ethan the
group misses out on the match day squad like he
did through disciplinary reasons last week. Robertson said it was
a performance decision to go with to Mighty Williams over
to group. He was in there, he played well last week.
Talk to us even though you can't delve into it
(04:02):
because you're not Scott Robertson, you don't know what happened there.
It talked us about internal discipline and the way the
All Blacks have kept this very much to themselves, if
not said too much, and it's been it's been watertight.
Is that a positive? Is this the way the All
Blacks should deal with internal disciplinary issues?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Yes? It is. And I'm delighted that the the whatever
happened has not been sniffed out by anyone. That that
shows real strength of character in the team and team spirit.
And I'm delighted and I'll be very happy if I
never ever hear what happened and I can see you know,
(04:45):
Ethan Degruz has been regarded as number one. He may
be at scrum time a shade better than the Mighty Williams.
There's not a lot in it. But last week I
was really impressed with Williams's work around the paddock. He's
quite explosive running with a ball and I thought he
played really well. And he's to be selected again.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
So you give someone an opportunity, I suppose it's there
to be taken, isn't it. And that's just the cruel
nature of selection in any team. And to Mighty got
given the opportunity, took it.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Yeah, well that's exactly what you want in the team.
And believe me, those All Blacks all respect each other
doing that very thing, and Ethan the group will respect
to Mighty Williams. If that's the reason he's selected again
this week because of his performance last week, I'm sure
Ethan will be right behind him, supporting him in that.
(05:41):
That's what the All Blacks are about.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
We'll look slightly closer at the dark arts shortly on
that just around the public perception of this. They don't
know what happened, so in a vacuum people fill up
with all sorts of stuff. Did the public not have
a right to know what the problem was with Ethan.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
The greet No?
Speaker 3 (06:01):
No, I think I think that that needs to be
kept in house, and I really respect the team and
it's the whole team and the greater team with the
management and everything have been tight looked about it, and
I think that's a good thing. I don't think it
was a major there go I you know, there may
(06:22):
have been a disciplinary slip which caused him not being
selected last week, and to Mighty Williams said, Okay, I've
got to go. I want to play again next week.
So I am having a big game, and he did
have a big gun.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
We know he's passed, don't we. It's definitely Scott Robertson's team.
He's definitely made his mark on that. This is what's happening.
No league's coming out of it. So you said about
it management. But it's a big tick, isn't it for
Razor Robertson.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Well, it is. And we're starting to see in the
All Blacks the same sort of culture and development that
we saw with the Great Crusader sides that he coached.
And I'm sure this is what we all wanted to
see stepping up another level that Scott Robertson does the
same thing with the All Blacks, and I can see
(07:09):
it happening, and believe me, at international level, when you
have the quality of opposition that the All Blacks have
had this year, it doesn't happen overnight. And you know,
for me, he's tracking pretty well and I think we're
going to see a significant upturn next year. We may
even see it on the remainder of this tour.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Just focusing back on to Mighty Williams. He yeah, you
said impress around the park a couple of times he
got penned at scrum time, suggestions maybe that it wasn't
necessarily his fault. It's still a lottery though, isn't it, Larry.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
It is one of them fifty to fifty the other one. No,
he wasn't the fault of the scrum going down. And
unless you've worked with front row players like I was
a Ford coach, worked with three of the best with
the Sitty and Richard Lowe and Olo Brown, you know
they took some beating when it came to the tactics
(08:07):
you can use in the front row. And referees can't
be expected to know exactly what's going on. And unless
they know one hundred percent, unless they would be prepared
to put their house on a decision, there shouldn't be
awarding penalties. I know they're told, you know, if there's collapse, CRuMs,
(08:29):
there's got to be penalties. Well, unfortunately they're getting too
many of them wrong, and games can be won and
lost because the referees put in a position where he's
got to make a decision that he doesn't really have
one hundred percent confidence in.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
For more from sports Talk, listen Lived and News Talks.
They'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
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