November 11, 2024 • 11 mins
The Black Caps have secured a shared series result following a remarkable defence of just 108 in the second Twenty20 against Sri Lanka in Dambulla.
Black Caps all-rounder Glenn Phillips joined Piney to discuss.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Let's mentioned the black Caps have defended the third lowest
total by a Test playing nation in a full T
twenty cricket international to level their series one all against
Sri Lanka. They've won the second and final match in
dan Buller by five runs, making one hundred and eight
and then bowling Sri Lanka out in the final over
for one hundred and three. Helped earlier on in the
(00:33):
innings by this from Lockey Ferguson waste season. Oh hang
on a minute, it's a little tickle ah speak gif.
This is one of the craziest hat tricks I've seen
in recent years. Here Lockie Ferguson taking a hat trick.
He had three for seven from two overs before injury
forced him off. Glenn Phillips took three wickets in four
(00:54):
balls in the final over of the innings to secure
the win. He joins us now out of Sri Lanka. Glenn,
Let's take it back to the innings break. What was
the feeling at the break with just one hundred and
eight on a board to defend.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Obviously there was a little bit daunting. We obviously went
out there and tried to fire some shots and unfortunately
it didn't It didn't pay off, and the nature of
the subcontinent pictures means that you can be behind that
all quite quickly. But Youngie when he was out there,
actually thought it was probably a one fifty par wicket.
And I mean a few of us were probably a
little bit bewildered, but the guys in some serious forms,
(01:30):
So I think for the rest of us, in anything
around there, one and twenty mark would have been I
think probably par for as normal mere mortals. So the
fact that we were, the fact that we scrapped to
something at least defendable that gave us a chance, was
still very pleasing. You know, boys chipping in from all
(01:51):
all areas, all the way down to number ten and eleven,
So obviously not an ideal score, but yeah, you with her,
with us scrapping nature, we definitely thought we had a
chance on a on a wicket that was very tricky.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
So at what point your Shri Lanka's innings did you
feel like you were in the hunt? Was it when
Lockie got his het trick?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I think it was actually when when we saw sat
and absolutely rag that first ball of the innings, understanding
that the pitch was still spinning just as much as
it was for our inings, and I think that gave
us probably a real belief that potentially that was enough.
When we managed to keep them to twenty one in
(02:35):
the power play with only one boundary, I think we
definitely had the belief that we could defend it from
a dot balls perspective if we managed to keep taking wickets.
But then obviously when Lockie ran through three guys in
a row, that definitely helps the case, and the belief
system was real. There was really there, But until we
managed to tie down Nasanka, it was always, you know,
(02:57):
in the balance, and a boundary here and a couple
of runs there really meant the difference between the game,
you know, for the likes of Beast on the boundary
with it iving saved to save six, you know, and
then winn by five that that simply could have been
the difference in the whole game. So small margins like
that really really mattered, and the boys all had a
lot of belief the whole way through.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
So take us into the last FEWI was you bowled
the seventeenth was was the first over year bowled in
the innings. Michael Bracewell had the eighteenth. Then there was
just you and Zach Folks left to bowl the last two.
How did it get decided that you would bowl the
last over?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
I think it comes down to the tactics of if
I had gone the nineteenth, then it really depends on
how well I bowled to determine whether Zach had enough
runs to play with, and with the ball being more
conducive to spin. I think it was one of those
situations where Zack's bowled a lot more death overs than me.
(03:56):
He's probably the more experienced bowler. So it came down
to what I think the Probably the nineteenth is the
harder over to bowl, it's probably the more important over,
and you've got to give it to the guy who
it's his job to be able to do that, and
he did it incredibly well.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Again, so then you come to the twentieth. They need eight,
they're seven down, they're open to Nasanka. As you mentioned,
still there on fifty odd, did it feel like you'd
need to get wickets in that last over to win
the game rather than just try and restrict them.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Obviously, wickets is ideal, but I think the nature of
a spinning track does mean that as long as they're
not necessarily getting twos, there is always a chance to
be able to defend it. It happens quite a lot
in India. It happens quite a lot in the Caribbean
as well, where spinner's bowl will last over and if
you get a couple to spin and beat the bat
and there's a few dot balls, and it obviously builds
(04:49):
a lot of pressure. But the plans were very simple
to both different in batsmen, and obviously you do need
a little bit of luck to go your way as well.
The fact that Sri Lanka extended the boundaries out to
this series definitely helps a lot as well. You know
that we're where missheads can't just fly over the rope,
so that definitely helped the case. And as I said,
(05:12):
a little bit of luck does go a long way.
But I wasn't necessarily going for wickeds per se. It
just just happened to be that way.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Well, you've got in the sun with the second ball then,
Buttalana straight away, did you think you were going to
get a hatrick as well?
Speaker 3 (05:29):
We definitely weren't going to change the field for it,
that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah, when a guy.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Was standing there when you're on a hat trick and
he's got a baseball stance with his bat pretty much
over his head, yeah, I feel like it could literally
go anywhere. So actually, I feel like there was probably
more of a chance for me to get a hat
trick there than any of the two chances that have
had Test cricket.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
So we nearly got it.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
He nearly hit it down to down to chap. You
just didn't quite hit it well enough, which at the
end of the day I think I'm quite grateful for
because the way the way it all ended was the
way it should have been. We're just happy.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Days absolutely, So you got the win. Love scoring series, right,
one hundred and thirty five and one forty for six
in the first one, one eight and one three in
this one. What was that mainly the wicket, do you think?
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Yeah, the wicket was definitely tough, But I think it's
also a combination of a lot of the boys not
having faced spin of that caliber before on a turning wicket,
you know, with the likes of Hasaranga where he's got
an incredibly hard gurgle to pick a lot of boys
wouldn't have faced them before, and then it's turning big
both ways that that definitely adds to a little bit
(06:33):
of a struggle. And then the likes of Thick Shano
as well, who sends down absolute rockets that rag. So
for the boys, it's definitely experiences that they'll be able
to grow and learn from going into the future. But
you know, as all home teams do, you try and
make a pitch's conducer to your skill set in you winning.
(06:54):
But obviously if you if you do produce a track
that's going to be a little bit of a grind
and I guess a bit of a fifty to fifty
sort of head out. So then it does bring both
teams into it, especially when we had four four spinners
of our own, and obviously guys at bowl incredibly good
slow wars as well, so we always thought that we
were in it. But yeah, trigging kind of pitch and
(07:15):
I think obviously all better is like runs. But I
think when it comes time for the bowlers to step up,
you know they're always ready, and you know, we play
on such flat pitches so often that when the bowlers
actually get a chance and have a sniffs. It's actually
really enjoyable to see things go the other way around. Now.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I know you've had to move on pretty quickly, but
have you still got a bit of a rosy glow
after the Test series sweep in India?
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Yeah? Absolutely. I think the confidence instilled from that series
more than anything else. Obviously, it was really cool to
make history and all that sort of stuff, and we
definitely did our fair show of celebrating for that sort
of scenario. But I think coming forward, we know that
we can compete in conditions that are foreign to us,
(08:00):
and it was more just instilled in a bit of
a belief system that, you know, we're not the only
ones that struggle in subconstinent pitches. The subcontinent batters also
struggle as well. So if we can do our things
well and keep firing our shots and have that sort
of intent about how we go about our business and
(08:21):
also the way that we do things in the field
in terms of being able to get around each other
and make sure that from the outside it always looks
like we're on top even if we're not. Those little
things all go a long way into at least giving
yourself a fighting chance in these conditions.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
And I know you've got three one days now before
you come home, but how much are you looking forward
to the three Test matches against England back here before Christmas?
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yeah, that's going to be a whole other challenge of
its own. Obviously, England with their current approach to Test
cricket is really formidable, but it also definitely brings us
into the game as it's shown over the year as well.
You know, they win a lot, but they also lose
a lot. So with the opportunity potentially to make a
World Test Championship final again, you know, the boys are
(09:04):
really excited. We're really but we're just going to go
out there and take it one ball at a time,
one game at a time, and obviously just keep trying
to scrap and do our best the way that we
always do, and keep getting around each other. And you know,
if we keep doing our simple things well and we
match up with their players on each given day, then
you know we definitely have a side that can easily
beat them three nil as well. So we, as I said,
(09:27):
we need to take it one game at a time,
stick to our process and just enjoy the moment for
what it is.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah, well seems to be working. Congrats on this one, Glenn,
thanks so much for taking the time for a chat mate.
Thank you, Jess, Thanks mate, cheers. That's Glean Phillips out
of Shri Lanka. So one all series stale, mate, I
guess you call it a one all series draw. Next
up is three one day internationals before they come home.
I get the feeling someone like Glen Phillips just wants
to get home and get ready for these the Test
(09:52):
series to come. But they've got these three one days.
The first of them is Wednesday night our time from ten,
then Sunday night at teen, Tuesday night at ten and
then they can all hop on a plane get home
and the first Test, which is what we're all I
think really looking forward to, is on November the twenty eighth,
or from November the twenty eighth at Hagley Oval in
(10:13):
christ Church. Yeah, this for a T twenty series. There
were no runs in this series. Across the two matches.
The most runs by in New Zealander was Will Young's
forty nine. Now that's total across the two innings, So
across the two innings he got forty nine runs. Next best,
I think was Mitchell Santner. Who got thirty five across
the two and Zach Folks got thirty three and twenty
(10:33):
seven and out of those were in the first one.
So not a particularly fruitful series for our batters bowling wise,
though much better a guy like Glen phillipsy took three
this morning, four for eighteen across the two games. Zach
Folks got four wickets, Michael Bracewell three couple for Mitchell Santner,
three for Locky Ferguson, all in that one hat trick
(10:55):
spell this morning. So yeah, it's a funny little series
sort of wedged in between what was an historic Test
Series win in India and back home for as I
said before, a really mouth watering upcoming series of Test
matches against England. I know a lot of the guys
that come home, but for guys like Glenn Phillips, he's
probably the main one. Will Young, the guys who may
(11:16):
may be involved back here in the Test series, potentially
Mitchell Santoner, potentially Michael brace Will but mainly really Phillips
and Young, you'd think they'd probably just want to get
home because I'm not going to have a heck a
lot of time once they get home to get ready
for test matches. Anyway that can all wait, I'm sure.
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Let's mentioned the black Caps have defended the third lowest
total by a Test playing nation in a full T
twenty cricket international to level their series one all against
Sri Lanka. They've won the second and final match in
dan Buller by five runs, making one hundred and eight
and then bowling Sri Lanka out in the final over
for one hundred and three. Helped earlier on in the
(00:33):
innings by this from Lockey Ferguson waste season. Oh hang
on a minute, it's a little tickle ah speak gif.
This is one of the craziest hat tricks I've seen
in recent years. Here Lockie Ferguson taking a hat trick.
He had three for seven from two overs before injury
forced him off. Glenn Phillips took three wickets in four
(00:54):
balls in the final over of the innings to secure
the win. He joins us now out of Sri Lanka. Glenn,
Let's take it back to the innings break. What was
the feeling at the break with just one hundred and
eight on a board to defend.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Obviously there was a little bit daunting. We obviously went
out there and tried to fire some shots and unfortunately
it didn't It didn't pay off, and the nature of
the subcontinent pictures means that you can be behind that
all quite quickly. But Youngie when he was out there,
actually thought it was probably a one fifty par wicket.
And I mean a few of us were probably a
little bit bewildered, but the guys in some serious forms,
(01:30):
So I think for the rest of us, in anything
around there, one and twenty mark would have been I
think probably par for as normal mere mortals. So the
fact that we were, the fact that we scrapped to
something at least defendable that gave us a chance, was
still very pleasing. You know, boys chipping in from all
(01:51):
all areas, all the way down to number ten and eleven,
So obviously not an ideal score, but yeah, you with her,
with us scrapping nature, we definitely thought we had a
chance on a on a wicket that was very tricky.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
So at what point your Shri Lanka's innings did you
feel like you were in the hunt? Was it when
Lockie got his het trick?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I think it was actually when when we saw sat
and absolutely rag that first ball of the innings, understanding
that the pitch was still spinning just as much as
it was for our inings, and I think that gave
us probably a real belief that potentially that was enough.
When we managed to keep them to twenty one in
(02:35):
the power play with only one boundary, I think we
definitely had the belief that we could defend it from
a dot balls perspective if we managed to keep taking wickets.
But then obviously when Lockie ran through three guys in
a row, that definitely helps the case, and the belief
system was real. There was really there, But until we
managed to tie down Nasanka, it was always, you know,
(02:57):
in the balance, and a boundary here and a couple
of runs there really meant the difference between the game,
you know, for the likes of Beast on the boundary
with it iving saved to save six, you know, and
then winn by five that that simply could have been
the difference in the whole game. So small margins like
that really really mattered, and the boys all had a
lot of belief the whole way through.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
So take us into the last FEWI was you bowled
the seventeenth was was the first over year bowled in
the innings. Michael Bracewell had the eighteenth. Then there was
just you and Zach Folks left to bowl the last two.
How did it get decided that you would bowl the
last over?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
I think it comes down to the tactics of if
I had gone the nineteenth, then it really depends on
how well I bowled to determine whether Zach had enough
runs to play with, and with the ball being more
conducive to spin. I think it was one of those
situations where Zack's bowled a lot more death overs than me.
(03:56):
He's probably the more experienced bowler. So it came down
to what I think the Probably the nineteenth is the
harder over to bowl, it's probably the more important over,
and you've got to give it to the guy who
it's his job to be able to do that, and
he did it incredibly well.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Again, so then you come to the twentieth. They need eight,
they're seven down, they're open to Nasanka. As you mentioned,
still there on fifty odd, did it feel like you'd
need to get wickets in that last over to win
the game rather than just try and restrict them.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Obviously, wickets is ideal, but I think the nature of
a spinning track does mean that as long as they're
not necessarily getting twos, there is always a chance to
be able to defend it. It happens quite a lot
in India. It happens quite a lot in the Caribbean
as well, where spinner's bowl will last over and if
you get a couple to spin and beat the bat
and there's a few dot balls, and it obviously builds
(04:49):
a lot of pressure. But the plans were very simple
to both different in batsmen, and obviously you do need
a little bit of luck to go your way as well.
The fact that Sri Lanka extended the boundaries out to
this series definitely helps a lot as well. You know
that we're where missheads can't just fly over the rope,
so that definitely helped the case. And as I said,
(05:12):
a little bit of luck does go a long way.
But I wasn't necessarily going for wickeds per se. It
just just happened to be that way.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Well, you've got in the sun with the second ball then,
Buttalana straight away, did you think you were going to
get a hatrick as well?
Speaker 3 (05:29):
We definitely weren't going to change the field for it,
that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah, when a guy.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Was standing there when you're on a hat trick and
he's got a baseball stance with his bat pretty much
over his head, yeah, I feel like it could literally
go anywhere. So actually, I feel like there was probably
more of a chance for me to get a hat
trick there than any of the two chances that have
had Test cricket.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
So we nearly got it.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
He nearly hit it down to down to chap. You
just didn't quite hit it well enough, which at the
end of the day I think I'm quite grateful for
because the way the way it all ended was the
way it should have been. We're just happy.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Days absolutely, So you got the win. Love scoring series, right,
one hundred and thirty five and one forty for six
in the first one, one eight and one three in
this one. What was that mainly the wicket, do you think?
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Yeah, the wicket was definitely tough, But I think it's
also a combination of a lot of the boys not
having faced spin of that caliber before on a turning wicket,
you know, with the likes of Hasaranga where he's got
an incredibly hard gurgle to pick a lot of boys
wouldn't have faced them before, and then it's turning big
both ways that that definitely adds to a little bit
(06:33):
of a struggle. And then the likes of Thick Shano
as well, who sends down absolute rockets that rag. So
for the boys, it's definitely experiences that they'll be able
to grow and learn from going into the future. But
you know, as all home teams do, you try and
make a pitch's conducer to your skill set in you winning.
(06:54):
But obviously if you if you do produce a track
that's going to be a little bit of a grind
and I guess a bit of a fifty to fifty
sort of head out. So then it does bring both
teams into it, especially when we had four four spinners
of our own, and obviously guys at bowl incredibly good
slow wars as well, so we always thought that we
were in it. But yeah, trigging kind of pitch and
(07:15):
I think obviously all better is like runs. But I
think when it comes time for the bowlers to step up,
you know they're always ready, and you know, we play
on such flat pitches so often that when the bowlers
actually get a chance and have a sniffs. It's actually
really enjoyable to see things go the other way around. Now.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I know you've had to move on pretty quickly, but
have you still got a bit of a rosy glow
after the Test series sweep in India?
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Yeah? Absolutely. I think the confidence instilled from that series
more than anything else. Obviously, it was really cool to
make history and all that sort of stuff, and we
definitely did our fair show of celebrating for that sort
of scenario. But I think coming forward, we know that
we can compete in conditions that are foreign to us,
(08:00):
and it was more just instilled in a bit of
a belief system that, you know, we're not the only
ones that struggle in subconstinent pitches. The subcontinent batters also
struggle as well. So if we can do our things
well and keep firing our shots and have that sort
of intent about how we go about our business and
(08:21):
also the way that we do things in the field
in terms of being able to get around each other
and make sure that from the outside it always looks
like we're on top even if we're not. Those little
things all go a long way into at least giving
yourself a fighting chance in these conditions.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
And I know you've got three one days now before
you come home, but how much are you looking forward
to the three Test matches against England back here before Christmas?
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yeah, that's going to be a whole other challenge of
its own. Obviously, England with their current approach to Test
cricket is really formidable, but it also definitely brings us
into the game as it's shown over the year as well.
You know, they win a lot, but they also lose
a lot. So with the opportunity potentially to make a
World Test Championship final again, you know, the boys are
(09:04):
really excited. We're really but we're just going to go
out there and take it one ball at a time,
one game at a time, and obviously just keep trying
to scrap and do our best the way that we
always do, and keep getting around each other. And you know,
if we keep doing our simple things well and we
match up with their players on each given day, then
you know we definitely have a side that can easily
beat them three nil as well. So we, as I said,
(09:27):
we need to take it one game at a time,
stick to our process and just enjoy the moment for
what it is.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah, well seems to be working. Congrats on this one, Glenn,
thanks so much for taking the time for a chat mate.
Thank you, Jess, Thanks mate, cheers. That's Glean Phillips out
of Shri Lanka. So one all series stale, mate, I
guess you call it a one all series draw. Next
up is three one day internationals before they come home.
I get the feeling someone like Glen Phillips just wants
to get home and get ready for these the Test
(09:52):
series to come. But they've got these three one days.
The first of them is Wednesday night our time from ten,
then Sunday night at teen, Tuesday night at ten and
then they can all hop on a plane get home
and the first Test, which is what we're all I
think really looking forward to, is on November the twenty eighth,
or from November the twenty eighth at Hagley Oval in
(10:13):
christ Church. Yeah, this for a T twenty series. There
were no runs in this series. Across the two matches.
The most runs by in New Zealander was Will Young's
forty nine. Now that's total across the two innings, So
across the two innings he got forty nine runs. Next best,
I think was Mitchell Santner. Who got thirty five across
the two and Zach Folks got thirty three and twenty
(10:33):
seven and out of those were in the first one.
So not a particularly fruitful series for our batters bowling wise,
though much better a guy like Glen phillipsy took three
this morning, four for eighteen across the two games. Zach
Folks got four wickets, Michael Bracewell three couple for Mitchell Santner,
three for Locky Ferguson, all in that one hat trick
(10:55):
spell this morning. So yeah, it's a funny little series
sort of wedged in between what was an historic Test
Series win in India and back home for as I
said before, a really mouth watering upcoming series of Test
matches against England. I know a lot of the guys
that come home, but for guys like Glenn Phillips, he's
probably the main one. Will Young, the guys who may
(11:16):
may be involved back here in the Test series, potentially
Mitchell Santoner, potentially Michael brace Will but mainly really Phillips
and Young, you'd think they'd probably just want to get
home because I'm not going to have a heck a
lot of time once they get home to get ready
for test matches. Anyway that can all wait, I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
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it'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
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