November 22, 2024 • 9 mins
No let up from the All Blacks with a summer break in sight.
That's the view of captain Scott Barrett after coach Scott Robertson stuck with a largely full strength side for Sunday's final test of the year against Italy in Turin.
Barrett says they're determined to finish the season on a high.
There's five changes to the run on side - four of which are due to injury returnees and absentees.
Sam Cane and Mark Tele'a return from injuries, while Anton Lienert-Brown and Ethan de Groot are in for the sidelined Jordie Barrett and Tamaiti Williams.
Former Italian captain Dean Budd joined D'Arcy Waldegrave to preview the clash.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from news Talk z be.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Former Italian skipper Dean bud did join us now, Dean,
how are you mate? You will?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Yeah? Bloody good? Thank you yourself?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yeah, not so bad looking forward to the final test
of the season. Of course that you played for Italy
captain to Italy for a handful of tests as well.
When you saw this team announced from the All Blacks,
did you think it was a bit like taking a
bazooka to a knife fight. This is a hell of
a team, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Well, I've got to defend my Italian boys and not
pretend that at least a semi automatic weapon as opposed
to a knife. But no, I did expect the All
Blacks to want to finish the season strong. I think
it's a message from Raising say he doesn't want to
risk anything. He's certainly been in the firing line of
(01:01):
a few critics and media throughout his first year in charge,
so I think you'll want to make sure you clean
this one.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Where's the Italian what's their attitude coming from? Last time
they played it wasn't a World Cup and they nearly
got a ton scored against them, so I expect anything
less than I don't know how do you target this
All Blacks match when you take them on because you
played them once, couldn't play them a second time because
of the rain in Japan. But was the thought process
around how you play? What is a good result?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yeah? I think, and speaking with a few of them
this week, it's going to just be about re establishing
a bit of respect from the rugby community and winning
the hearts of the fans back and just delivering a
strong performance. I hate to say as a professional athlete
going into games that they we don't expect to win,
but I don't think at least quiet at the stage
(01:51):
where we're expecting to win probably the right thing. I
know that sounds like a little bit of a loser's mentality,
but I think going out there in a strong performance
and getting some credibility back after what was pretty embarrassing
to feed at the World Cup will be their goal.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
So is it a of not trying to slow the
damage down, but more's the point of maybe achieving the
achievables as far as tackles, as far as mess tackles
are not having them, as far as some form of
parity in the scrums and the rucks. Is it look
too like that as opposed to an overall victory.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah, I think they'll want to be strong in defense.
I think that's let them down a little bit, especially
with the Rgs in the last kind of fifteen minutes
of their test. I think even even so, the Georgia
game led in a few what they would deem the
soft tries through in a game where they dominated a
lot of possession. I think they'll they'll want to be stronger,
(02:49):
they want to be more clinical there, and that will
then give them the opportunity to hopefully nob a couple
of tries here and there.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Dean Bada joins us so from my Italian skipper looking
ahead to the last match of the All Blacks. Northern
talked us around Italian rugby full stop. Because you're around
me for quite some time. It doesn't seem to have
gained the traction that most would like after being admitted
to the Six Nations all those years ago. What's holding
(03:20):
them back? Team?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, I'm always very proud of my time there, so
I hate to be hypercritical of what went wrong, but
there's just a little bit of an inconsistency from every level.
I think the federation seems to change leadership every three years.
It's not driven by a businessman as such. Generally speaking,
it's a voting system over there where a new guy
(03:44):
can come in and hit a change directive like the Winds.
So I think they've just lacked that consistency. I think
they've lacked really entering into the professional era of funding
support and kind of call it fifteen staff teams where
you have a coach for every aspect and you have
mental skills coaches and all the things. I just don't
(04:05):
think they've really born and completely just shit.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Is there engagement across the nation? I'm sure it's reduced
to pockets of the population considering the mad passionate fans
of of football. I get you, but is there a
want to people enjoy this game? Has it got any attraction?
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yes, absolutely it has the North. The North is pretty
pretty much rugby driven. I mean football, you can't can't
hide from it, and volleyball and basketball they're all pretty
dominant sports over there. But a lot of the fans
I think we started to win hearts. We would go
to games and spect the fans afterwards and I said,
you know, this is my first rugby game. I used
to be a football fan, but I just can't watch
(04:47):
that anymore. That their pretenders. We want a real we
want a real sport. And so I think that there's
a change in the air over there around supporting rugby
and kind of the authenticity that it brings as a
as a movement, as a person that it creates, and
as a game.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Who's the strength of Italian rugby.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
I think there's They're still pretty strong upfront. I think
I've always believed obviously a playing to my own role,
there have been a ford. I always thought we were better.
But I think the backs have come a long way.
I think for a while, until you really struggle to
deliver a good attacking back line. I think now they're
they're starting to run with some depth, with some purpose,
(05:29):
with with some control. I think the back line starting
to become a lot stronger to Potsa at the back
and absolute X factor player. You've got Montane on the wing, incredible.
There's there's just there's a little bit more to the
back line now, which is which should brings a little
bit more flair. Hopefully when the forwards can get some
go forward.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Dean Budd joining us. When you look at coming out
through the ranks, and of course you played for Beneton,
wasn't for a number of years. What's the strength of
that next level?
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Light?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Are the cattle there to promote up and maybe in
time put a half decent result in internationally? Have have
you got that level down do you think, Dean?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I mean at club level Benetton's incredibly successful. They play
in the UC competition with the likes of Leinster and
Munster and the South Africans and have well. I guess
it was the same year that the Blues won what
was a reduced in the back of COVID. They won
one of the competitions there and we're typically a top
half of the draw, so it does need another team
(06:32):
that is successful over there to bring a bit more depth.
There is a bit of a foreign base in the
Benetton side as well, which aren't eligible for the country,
so that does detract a little bit from developing. But
the Benetton for example, has now got a squad of sixty.
They understand what professional rugby is. The facilities are getting better,
(06:53):
so I think in time that will certainly help the
national site.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Is it a problem Dean, having so many foreigners involved,
do they need to maybe put a cap on that
to introduce and develop their.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Own Yeah, an interesting one because I think and again
as a part of that, so I don't want to
cut off foreign about I think we can bring really good,
helpful change and help open the eyes a little bit.
We've seen it at the club level when Karen Crowley
came in. Without him coming into Italian rugby, I think
(07:27):
things will been going pretty slowly. Still, he made incredible
change at benett On, and not only in the style
of play, but he helped change the directors of sport.
He helped change the presidents of the club. He helped
open their eyes. As players, we struggle to do that
a little bit because they kind of tell us to
sit down and stand our place. But at that level
it's certainly an impactful thing. Having a foreign coach.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
You mentioned Dan a couple of players before that could
be key. Do you want to give us a couple
more about where we should actually look. Who are the
guys that might have some control over this game or
make a difference.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
I think to another key player and affords ably Sebastian Negri,
he's just He's a bit of a big game player
in my eyes, so hopefully he'll step up. He carries
hard and carries lots. You'll see a few show and
goes from home. I think Ignasha bricks he will be
his first game at captain at center. He's an incredible
(08:23):
weapon for the back line on defense. If he gets
his game right defensively, I think he'll make up for
what can be a few holes in the back line
in a few eras. And hopefully garbe Easy at teen
has a has a good strong performance him and him
and Minchello at teen twelve. Of course, Menchello is kind
of picked to be one of the players of Europe
(08:44):
going forward. He's young, and he's strong, and he's really good,
so that there is there is some genuine talent there.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Dean Bard, before we go, and thanks very much for
your time. He's still dining out on the draw that
the Italians had with the All Blacks and the World
Cup in Japan draw with an asterisk, of course.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Yeah. I wake up daily actually and certainly enjoy these
weeks where I get to chat about Italy and kind
of remember what was special draw that week at the
World Cup that has often forgotten, but never by me.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
We won't forget. It stands out like the dog's proverbials,
even though we know it was something to do with
the weather. But that's okay. Hey Dan, real pleasure mane.
Thanks very much for your time of great weekend.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Thank you for more from sports talk, Listen live to
News Talks it'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from news Talk z be.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Former Italian skipper Dean bud did join us now, Dean,
how are you mate? You will?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Yeah? Bloody good? Thank you yourself?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yeah, not so bad looking forward to the final test
of the season. Of course that you played for Italy
captain to Italy for a handful of tests as well.
When you saw this team announced from the All Blacks,
did you think it was a bit like taking a
bazooka to a knife fight. This is a hell of
a team, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Well, I've got to defend my Italian boys and not
pretend that at least a semi automatic weapon as opposed
to a knife. But no, I did expect the All
Blacks to want to finish the season strong. I think
it's a message from Raising say he doesn't want to
risk anything. He's certainly been in the firing line of
(01:01):
a few critics and media throughout his first year in charge,
so I think you'll want to make sure you clean
this one.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Where's the Italian what's their attitude coming from? Last time
they played it wasn't a World Cup and they nearly
got a ton scored against them, so I expect anything
less than I don't know how do you target this
All Blacks match when you take them on because you
played them once, couldn't play them a second time because
of the rain in Japan. But was the thought process
around how you play? What is a good result?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yeah? I think, and speaking with a few of them
this week, it's going to just be about re establishing
a bit of respect from the rugby community and winning
the hearts of the fans back and just delivering a
strong performance. I hate to say as a professional athlete
going into games that they we don't expect to win,
but I don't think at least quiet at the stage
(01:51):
where we're expecting to win probably the right thing. I
know that sounds like a little bit of a loser's mentality,
but I think going out there in a strong performance
and getting some credibility back after what was pretty embarrassing
to feed at the World Cup will be their goal.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
So is it a of not trying to slow the
damage down, but more's the point of maybe achieving the
achievables as far as tackles, as far as mess tackles
are not having them, as far as some form of
parity in the scrums and the rucks. Is it look
too like that as opposed to an overall victory.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah, I think they'll want to be strong in defense.
I think that's let them down a little bit, especially
with the Rgs in the last kind of fifteen minutes
of their test. I think even even so, the Georgia
game led in a few what they would deem the
soft tries through in a game where they dominated a
lot of possession. I think they'll they'll want to be stronger,
(02:49):
they want to be more clinical there, and that will
then give them the opportunity to hopefully nob a couple
of tries here and there.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Dean Bada joins us so from my Italian skipper looking
ahead to the last match of the All Blacks. Northern
talked us around Italian rugby full stop. Because you're around
me for quite some time. It doesn't seem to have
gained the traction that most would like after being admitted
to the Six Nations all those years ago. What's holding
(03:20):
them back? Team?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, I'm always very proud of my time there, so
I hate to be hypercritical of what went wrong, but
there's just a little bit of an inconsistency from every level.
I think the federation seems to change leadership every three years.
It's not driven by a businessman as such. Generally speaking,
it's a voting system over there where a new guy
(03:44):
can come in and hit a change directive like the Winds.
So I think they've just lacked that consistency. I think
they've lacked really entering into the professional era of funding
support and kind of call it fifteen staff teams where
you have a coach for every aspect and you have
mental skills coaches and all the things. I just don't
(04:05):
think they've really born and completely just shit.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Is there engagement across the nation? I'm sure it's reduced
to pockets of the population considering the mad passionate fans
of of football. I get you, but is there a
want to people enjoy this game? Has it got any attraction?
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yes, absolutely it has the North. The North is pretty
pretty much rugby driven. I mean football, you can't can't
hide from it, and volleyball and basketball they're all pretty
dominant sports over there. But a lot of the fans
I think we started to win hearts. We would go
to games and spect the fans afterwards and I said,
you know, this is my first rugby game. I used
to be a football fan, but I just can't watch
(04:47):
that anymore. That their pretenders. We want a real we
want a real sport. And so I think that there's
a change in the air over there around supporting rugby
and kind of the authenticity that it brings as a
as a movement, as a person that it creates, and
as a game.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Who's the strength of Italian rugby.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
I think there's They're still pretty strong upfront. I think
I've always believed obviously a playing to my own role,
there have been a ford. I always thought we were better.
But I think the backs have come a long way.
I think for a while, until you really struggle to
deliver a good attacking back line. I think now they're
they're starting to run with some depth, with some purpose,
(05:29):
with with some control. I think the back line starting
to become a lot stronger to Potsa at the back
and absolute X factor player. You've got Montane on the wing, incredible.
There's there's just there's a little bit more to the
back line now, which is which should brings a little
bit more flair. Hopefully when the forwards can get some
go forward.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Dean Budd joining us. When you look at coming out
through the ranks, and of course you played for Beneton,
wasn't for a number of years. What's the strength of
that next level?
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Light?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Are the cattle there to promote up and maybe in
time put a half decent result in internationally? Have have
you got that level down do you think, Dean?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I mean at club level Benetton's incredibly successful. They play
in the UC competition with the likes of Leinster and
Munster and the South Africans and have well. I guess
it was the same year that the Blues won what
was a reduced in the back of COVID. They won
one of the competitions there and we're typically a top
half of the draw, so it does need another team
(06:32):
that is successful over there to bring a bit more depth.
There is a bit of a foreign base in the
Benetton side as well, which aren't eligible for the country,
so that does detract a little bit from developing. But
the Benetton for example, has now got a squad of sixty.
They understand what professional rugby is. The facilities are getting better,
(06:53):
so I think in time that will certainly help the
national site.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Is it a problem Dean, having so many foreigners involved,
do they need to maybe put a cap on that
to introduce and develop their.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Own Yeah, an interesting one because I think and again
as a part of that, so I don't want to
cut off foreign about I think we can bring really good,
helpful change and help open the eyes a little bit.
We've seen it at the club level when Karen Crowley
came in. Without him coming into Italian rugby, I think
(07:27):
things will been going pretty slowly. Still, he made incredible
change at benett On, and not only in the style
of play, but he helped change the directors of sport.
He helped change the presidents of the club. He helped
open their eyes. As players, we struggle to do that
a little bit because they kind of tell us to
sit down and stand our place. But at that level
it's certainly an impactful thing. Having a foreign coach.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
You mentioned Dan a couple of players before that could
be key. Do you want to give us a couple
more about where we should actually look. Who are the
guys that might have some control over this game or
make a difference.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
I think to another key player and affords ably Sebastian Negri,
he's just He's a bit of a big game player
in my eyes, so hopefully he'll step up. He carries
hard and carries lots. You'll see a few show and
goes from home. I think Ignasha bricks he will be
his first game at captain at center. He's an incredible
(08:23):
weapon for the back line on defense. If he gets
his game right defensively, I think he'll make up for
what can be a few holes in the back line
in a few eras. And hopefully garbe Easy at teen
has a has a good strong performance him and him
and Minchello at teen twelve. Of course, Menchello is kind
of picked to be one of the players of Europe
(08:44):
going forward. He's young, and he's strong, and he's really good,
so that there is there is some genuine talent there.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Dean Bard, before we go, and thanks very much for
your time. He's still dining out on the draw that
the Italians had with the All Blacks and the World
Cup in Japan draw with an asterisk, of course.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Yeah. I wake up daily actually and certainly enjoy these
weeks where I get to chat about Italy and kind
of remember what was special draw that week at the
World Cup that has often forgotten, but never by me.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
We won't forget. It stands out like the dog's proverbials,
even though we know it was something to do with
the weather. But that's okay. Hey Dan, real pleasure mane.
Thanks very much for your time of great weekend.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Thank you for more from sports talk, Listen live to
News Talks it'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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