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Former Black Caps wicket-keeper Reece Young on the importance of having an experienced wicket-keeper.

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
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Welcome in to Monday night sports Talk on news Talk

(00:28):
said B December second. Happy birthday, Monica sell Us On
Jason Pine Show. Producer is Andy McDonald. We are here
talking sport until eight o'clock. All things being equal, the
first cricket Test between New Zealand and England at Hagleyoval
would have wrapped up a short time ago. Today was
the scheduled fifth day of the First Test, of course,

(00:50):
but as we know, everything wrapped up in the middle
session yesterday with England going about eight and over to
knock off the one hundred odd they needed for an
eight wicket victory, and so to Test two at the
Basin starting on Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Plenty to ponder for the black Caps catching practice probably
a good place for them to start, but surely they
won't be as bad as that. Again, selection wise, Mitchell
Santner has come into the squad with Jacob Duffy dropping out.
I think Mitchell Santner probably plays in Wellington, but in

(01:27):
place of who and the ongoing conversation around Tom Blundell
and the idea in some quarters that he should be
replaced in the side because he's having a bit of
a lean trot with the bat. In fact, there are
some who are saying that we should give the gloves
to a non specialist wicket keeper like Tom Latham or
Devin Conway. Totally the wrong strategy for me. But sport

(01:52):
is all about opinions and yours are welcome tonight as
we try and pick away through what happened at Hagley
Oval to a brighter basin reserve showing from our black
Caps former Test wicket keeper Riese Young, he might a
chat to us about the importance of a specialist wicketkeeper,
particularly in red ball cricket. We'll also hear the thoughts

(02:14):
of Gary Stead, he was up for media today and
your thoughts and opinions absolutely encouraged as well, even if
they don't match mine. You might feel as though you
don't need a specialist worket keeper in test matches. I
absolutely unequivocally believe that you do. But as I say,
it's all about opinions and yours may well be different

(02:37):
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Speaker 1 (02:59):
You no need for the DMO, We've got the breakdown
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Speaker 2 (03:08):
So as mentioned, wanted to drill down tonight into the
importance of specialist wicket keepers in red ball cricket, in
particular in Test cricket. Ryese Young was one of our
best domestic wicket keeper batsman across all fourmats for fifteen years,
mainly with Auckland. He also had a couple of summers
with Canterbury. He made his Test debut against Pakistan and

(03:29):
Hamilton in twenty eleven and played the last of his
five Test matches against Australia in Hobart at the back
end of that same year. In a fairly famous Test
match deliver bottom.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
New Zealand win the Tests they haven't won since nineteen
eighty five, eighty six and Doug Bracewell, with six wickets
for forty has inspired New Zealand's second innings bowling effort
to a victory by seven runs over Australia. David Warner
goes along and console Nathan Lyon, who's down on his knees.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Res Young was behind the stumps. In that Test and
one hundred and twenty six first class matches, he took
three hundred and twenty one catches and affected five stumpings
while scoring over four thousand, six hundred runs at an
average of over thirty, including eight centuries and twenty six fifties.
No one has more first class dismissals for Auckland than
he does. He's in the province's top ten all time

(04:26):
first class run scorers, and only to Macintosh has played
more first class games for Auckland than rees Young's ninety two.
Raishunger is with us. Thanks for joining us, mate, in
general terms. First of all, and I expect a wicket
keeper's answer to this question, how important is the wicket
keeper in a game of red ball cricket?

Speaker 5 (04:47):
Hey pony, how are you mate? Thanks for the intro.
I didn't realize i'd played that in any games. It's
a lot of plots over the true Yeah, I'm killing
it now. The old bones are definitely catching up. But yeah, no,
thanks to thanks for that. But yeah, so I guess
it's an interesting conversation that's Ben had at the moment. Obviously,

(05:09):
I'm heavily in favor for you're needing your work keeper
to be a specialist for Test cricket first and foremost.
It's proba one of the hardest divisions on the park
and to do it, you know, I ball after ball
over for days on the end. Yeah, you definitely don't
want someone who's sort of finding the way or a
bit of a part time of death. Thanks for sure.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
So there's been the suggestion, and I'm sure we've heard
this surround and not just this year, but a lot
of conversation comes up a lot. We can beef up
our batting a bit if we give the wicket keeping
role to a non specialist apart time as someone who
can back but can also do a job behind the stumps.
You don't subscribe to that theory in Test matches.

Speaker 5 (05:50):
Well, I'd would say that most of the keepers coming
through now are better and so you know, you look
at someone like Tom Blundle at the moment. I mean,
his stats and his career is outstanding for a work
to keep a better so you know, to throw her
going to throw in like a you know, if you
if you chucked an opener and or a Tommy Latham

(06:11):
for example. He you know that the network takes away
from what their core specialty is. And so I think
it's too hard if you you're going to play your
keeper up the order to be able to do the
job properly after you know, being in a field for
one hundred and fifty overs and then expecting them to
go out to bat in the top three or fourth.
So I just feel that it's unrealistic these days, you know.

(06:35):
And you might get your odd guy like your Abe
Devillias or your quintin the Cocks and all that, but
I think over time you see that they end up
dropping down to your seven and eight, just to give
them that breathing space between the means. And like I said,
we've got plenty of talent floating around that more than
handy batters. You know, Tom Tom Lundle for example, of

(06:56):
class Act and you know, I think his record speaks
for itself in terms.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Of the specialization of a wicket keeper. How much more
would you work on your wicket keeping then a fieldsman
would work on their field and compare to say they're
batting all their bowling.

Speaker 5 (07:13):
Uh, hard to quantify. I know kind of what I did,
And you know, like I always enjoyed training, and so
that that was work at keeping, catching balls, taking throws
from the boundary, whatever it might be. You know, you
just I loved being I love training, and I love
catching balls. So you know, first and foremost, I feel

(07:33):
like once you get to an elite level, you're you're
probably doing that anyway. And and I guess as a keeper,
just like a rounders, you've got a training balance your
batting with your keeping. But first and foremost, you know
you're there as a keeper. It's a specialist position. And
then you know you're to make sure that you're doing
enough with the bat as well and contributing, particularly at

(07:54):
number seven where you know you're expected to be scoring
hundreds and batting of the tail, and you know you
might have to list the tempo of the game in
a running position or you might have to grinding it
out depending on the situation of the game. So yeah,
really crucial for with keeper, particularly in Test cricket, and
I think we've seen that through the years with some

(08:16):
of the keepers that you know New Zealand the pad
but also around the world.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
What about the position that you batted rees. I remember,
you know, neither sort of the middle or the back
end of your career you were batting sort of three
four five for Auckland. So after a long innings in
the field and all those squats that you talked about,
how challenging was it then to take off the wicket
keeping pads, put the batting pads on and be you know,
sometimes out there quite quickly.

Speaker 5 (08:40):
Yeah, I guess yeah. First class cricket, you know you've
got you got four days as opposed to the five.
And I mean most of the keepers around the traps
will be probably one of the fittest guys in your team,
so you know, I mean everyone will, we'll put their
hand up to do it given the chance. But I
just think realistically, you know, it's probably more the mental
side of things.

Speaker 6 (09:00):
That sort of gets.

Speaker 5 (09:03):
Can be quite draining, like any position in the team.
But I feel that you know, with the keeper, you're
on and off everythingle ball and you got to be
able to learn to switch on and then and then
be able to switch off. Otherwise you just get mentally
trained throughout the day. And yeah, I don't know like
if I'm putting in a great argument for this, but

(09:23):
I just feel that, you know, there'll be guys out
there that really would want to do that, but realistically,
what's best for the team. You know, personally, I feel
that we've got to write the right mix in the
setup at the moment. And you know, there's some great
support staff around there, and you know, you've got guys
like Luke Wronki who obviously being a keeper himself, you'll

(09:44):
be able to offer some insights to the playing group
at the moment. And I feel that that would be
that's coming from someone who's a keeper. They can offer
those those those inturcacies that you know, perhaps someone who
hasn't done it or hasn't done it often won't have
you know, it.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Does keep him also help with and that you're behind
the stumps for that whole you know, Let's say let's
say you're in the field first, so you might get
eight one hundred overs watching the ball come down the
track towards you get a read on the wicket. Is
that an advantage when you go out to bed.

Speaker 5 (10:18):
Yeah, look, I enjoyed that, and that was particularly in
short form quicker. I enjoyed the fact that, you know,
if you've got a chance to keep in and then
you got a chance to bet up the order that
it did help you get into the game and sort
of read the wicket a little better. But yeah, definitely,
I mean it's for me as well the wick because
I was in the game, you could see what was

(10:39):
going on and then it could flow over into your bedding.
You get a bit of an idea of what what
the wicket was doing and things like that. But yeah,
I mean, I'm sure you know you're asking any any
player or any keeper if they're in the game. It's
going to you tend to sort of flow off each
other if if you're keeping well, you know, that can

(11:01):
come into your bed into and you can sort of
flow on from that by OBSSA when things aren't going
so well, it's having a mental strength to be able
to just park that and move on to your next specialty.
And then sometimes you know, if things aren't going too well,
you can also it can get tied up.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
So yeah, you often hear as well that the worker
keeper is an important part and no just hear it.
You see this as well as an important part of
keeping the team up in the field, geeing them up,
you know, and during a long partnership sort of keeping
keeping everybody up vibe. I guess is that something that's
harder to do if you know, if maybe you're not

(11:39):
batting well, is that a thing or not? Really?

Speaker 5 (11:42):
I think these days, of course, you know, if you've
got if you've got that weighing on you, you know
that you want to obviously contribute to the team, and
you know yourself and you're always harder on yourself that
you know, if you feel like you're not then that
can be weighing on tobya. But you know, at at
elite level you've got to be able to heart your

(12:03):
emotions and focus on what's ahead of you. So whether
it's in the old and lifting your team, which is
your role, or doing your job and going unnoticed. Ideally,
as a keeper, we used to always try and make
sure that you weren't talked about that much, which means
you were doing the job. So yeah, I mean, I
think these guys have got a lot of support and

(12:23):
it's got a lot of skills training and guys around
the group that can that can help them with that,
and you know that's just part of the job.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Just while I've got you before you go, is it
true that you've got a first class wicket?

Speaker 5 (12:39):
Yeah, I'd like a good keeper as a bowling legal.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Can you you have to talk us through this? Who
was the unfortunate victim?

Speaker 5 (12:47):
What were we doing? Yeah? I don't remember every single
second of its funny, but you know I could talk
you through.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
I bet you go. Go on, just give us the
just give us the pricing.

Speaker 5 (12:57):
For for some reason they got the ball in my hand.
I can't remember why. Maybe maybe we needed to sort
of steam the flower runs I think it was then.
But yeah, managed to manage the land one and yeah,
I think I think it was Michael Parlaine might have
picked the wrong way, so yeah, menster, Yeah did a bowl.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
I thought it was a boundary catch.

Speaker 7 (13:22):
Or something.

Speaker 5 (13:25):
Amazing discussed So I was eavery with that.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Brilliant stuff. Hey, thanks for your insight tonight on wicket keeping, Grace.
It's been really instructive. Thanks for taking the time.

Speaker 5 (13:34):
Yeah, she's funny.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Good on you mate. That's Rishian, a former Test wicket
keeper and a long time store walk behind the stumps
for Auckland and a couple of seasons in Canterbury as well.
Some good insight there are. Your thoughts are welcome, oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. There are a couple
of selection issues for New Zealand ahead of this Test
against England at the Basin starting Friday. One of them

(13:56):
is where Tom Blundell bats, not whether or not he plays.
He plays. He's the best red ball wicket keeper in
New Zealand. It's keeping in Christy. Which one dropped catch aside?
Was tidy and he wasn't the only one who dropok
a catch?

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Was he?

Speaker 2 (14:10):
We all know that? So he plays and keeps wicked.
But does he stay at number six? Gary Stead said
today they won't look at swapping Glen Phillips and Tom
Blundle around in the middle order. They'll leave Blundle at
six and have Glenn Phillips coming at seven. I think
they should look at it. I think they should consider

(14:31):
swapping them around. Tom Blundle's low on confidence with the
bat right now. Glenn Phillips is high on confidence. And
when is he not swap them around? What do you lose?
By doing that, you don't lose anything. You get an
informed guy in earlier, and you give a bit more
breathing space to a guy who's struggling a bit with
a bat and may have just spent one hundred overs

(14:51):
or more crouching behind the STARp. So I think you
should give it a crack. Don't just say no, we
don't do that. The other is whether Mitchell Santnon will play.
I think he will Forceeemers in christ Church made sense.
A frontline spinner in Wellington is needed, which means one
of your seamers drops out of the eleven. So let's

(15:12):
do this by a process of elimination. It's not going
to be Matt Henry. He's our best bowler. I think
Will O'Rourke stays his pace gets him in despite his
relatively modest showing in terms of wickets in christ Church.
What did he get one for one hundred and thirty
eight and one for twenty seven. But I think he
stays for pace. So for me, it's a straight shootout

(15:36):
between the side's most experienced bowler and its least experienced.
Do you go Tim Southey or Nathan Smith And I'd
be picking Nathan Smith, he's a not to the future.
He bowled well early on in christ Church. He's a
better better and the basins is home ground. I know
that last one's a bit sentimental and maybe that emotion,

(15:57):
if it comes into it, plays into Tim Southey's hands,
given this as his last Test series. But we've got
to win this Test and I think we have more
chance of doing that with Nathan Smith and the team.
And maybe you say to Tim Soudy, Tim, your swan
song is in Hamilton in the third Test, so I'd
go Lathan Conway, Williamson, Revendra Mitchell, Phillips at six, Blundell

(16:19):
at seven, Santna Smith, Henry O'Rourke, oh, eight hundred and eighty,
ten eighty. Keen to get your views on this nine two,
nine to two on text, Dallas, thanks for holding mate.

Speaker 8 (16:31):
Yeah, Tarney, you didn't mention Como. I think Komways would
be in trouble in my selection and I'd bring Yang
Yang And.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yeah, I know that's been discussed too, Dallas. Yeah, I
know that's been discussed and I'm sure they'll think about it.
I've I'm not sure what's happened to Devin Conway and
you probably don't have the answer either. But for whatever
reason he got he got a few runs in India,
but hasn't scored consistently for a while now. Unfortunately, No, I.

Speaker 8 (17:00):
Just as you say, we've got to win this Test,
we're going to be ruthless. And I've felt quite bizarre
Gary Stead saying that he wants the players to trust
the selectors. Did you find that bizarre?

Speaker 2 (17:13):
I understand what he meant by Dallas. I think what
he I think in cricket, probably more than a lot
of other sports, you feel as though if you fail
that your head's on the chopping block. I think what
Gary Stead was saying was that he wants the players
to feel comfort in the fact that they're not going
to get dropped the moment they get a duck. But
that only goes so far right, and I think that's
what you're alluding to.

Speaker 8 (17:34):
Yeah, and also sour the opening the bowling, E Christis,
what do you think of that?

Speaker 2 (17:40):
I again didn't mind it. It was him and Henry
wasn't it who opened the bowling.

Speaker 8 (17:45):
He's bowling about one twenty one twenties to something like that.
That's just not good note for an opening bowler.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Still swings the ball like yeah, still swings the ball. Okay, though,
I think his his his weapon these days is his swing. Dallas,
what about my thought of the basin? If you had
to choose between Tim South the end Nathan Smith, I'd
go I'd go Smith. What about you?

Speaker 8 (18:10):
Yeah, absolutely, I go Smith. He did nothing wrong. It's
the fielding the catchers that led him down.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
It's true he probably would probably would have got a
fight for wouldn't he.

Speaker 8 (18:20):
I like the cannabis chip, don't you When they interview
him or he just sounds like a really grounded, realistic guy.
And yeah, I think he's got a big future.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah, I've had the opportunity. He lives in Wellington where
I live, and I've had the opportunity to meet him
and do some interviews with him face to face. And Dallas,
you've got a bang on. He's a really well adjusted
human being. I think he's got one of I think
he's twenty six, so he could have you know, six
or seven years on the top side across formats.

Speaker 9 (18:45):
Yep.

Speaker 8 (18:46):
Oh, I think we're we're largely in agreement final except
for Devin Cobleway, who's just yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah, no, no, and That's what it's all about, Dallas,
That's what it's all about. Hope, hopefully well get the
chance to chat over the weekend mate, when the test
is going on, we can have a chat. Good to
talk to him, mate, seven twenty six, Back with more
of your calls after this O eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty spear line there if you want to jump
aboard talking team selection, who should bat where and who
drops out of center? Comes in. It's a sports talk

(19:12):
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Speaker 1 (19:14):
Forget the riffs call. You make a call sports talk
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Speaker 2 (19:24):
Seven nine talking cricket business texts that I just got
before here it is center and for Saudi Young for Conway,
says Robbie. But I think Michael Parlaine needs a write
a reply for getting bowled out by worker kick so through,
Robbie so true, I don't know what's happened there, Dave Hi.

Speaker 6 (19:45):
Look, you have to put it in Young, and you
have to put in Mitchell Sanader. Mitchell Saddle puts a
price on his work and he doesn't show this look
wor get away. He's all around bowlder and good England
hasn't seen much of Mitchell saddle and he is the
obvious it's got has to come in. He can it,

(20:05):
can conbowl, he doesn't work it away like what the
others did.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Yeah, Dave, I agree, Then yeah, I agree. I think
I think you will see him coming. I think probably
more for his bowling, although he does stiffen up the batting.
So who are you getting who you're dropping out? Who
you're dropping out of the eleven.

Speaker 6 (20:21):
You have to have got Conway, you have to put
Young's and form isn't he.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
So that's a different conversation. Yeah, different conversation. So yeah, okay,
let's get to Young and Conway in a minute. But
in terms of a bowler southey Smith, o'rour or Henry.

Speaker 6 (20:36):
I'd say Tim Salvi, look, we have to win the
Test the new or bowl can bat and sorry, Tim Salvey,
if you're sorry Wick gets way gets way too too much,
you have we'll play in the last Test.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
But but I agree with the.

Speaker 6 (20:55):
Nathan smifth can can can bat and he doesn't batter
pretty well, he can can bowl and he's got pretty
of pastments bounces. Yeah, and bringing Mitchell and along for
a couple over to see what he can do if
we if we have to bat that or bowl first,
put him on first and to see what see what
he can do. And they haven't seen much of Mitchell

(21:17):
Saddle and he can it can wave away a bit
of magic. I think I like Mitchell Saddle. He's a
good school around and he's a bit of a genius
and bowler.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Well he certainly he was certainly a genius of a
bowler in that Test and poone wasn't he But he
got fourteen or thirteen wickets? Yes, on that, just on
the young con Just on the young Conway. I'm interested
in the Young Conway thing, David, like you, I really
like Will Young. I think you know, after the Indian
Series where he was Man of the Series, he deserved
to keep his place. But I'm not sure that I
would be replacing Devin Conway and opener with Will Young.

Speaker 6 (21:51):
No, no, no, but maybe look Will Young can is
an inform At the moment you pay your players are informed.
I'm sorry, Convey, but you're not. You're throwing wickets away
and you only got to look at you, look at
yourself from the mirror and say look you not go
go away and play the meat, but a bit of
domestic cricket even.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, look, Dave, I sorry, I got to move on.
I've got a full boarder calls here, but I just
want to address the numbers here because it seems to
me as though Devin Conway has been talked about as
a guy who's out of form. Yes, in christ Church
two and eight no good for an opener, of course not.
But if you look back to the Sri Lankan series,
he got sixty one in the second innings in gaul
in the first Test against India got ninety one in

(22:33):
the first innings and in the second Test in Pune
he got seventy six. So as numbers against India in
that historic series over there were actually pretty good. He
got two hundred and twenty seven runs in the series
at an average of thirty eight. Couple of fifties. As
I've just outlined. The only guys to get more runs
in the series than him, well we're young and Rutchi
and Ravendra and Revender one hundred and thirty in the

(22:54):
first Test. So I don't think Devin Conway is spectacularly
out of form. Yes, I'm sure he'd like to score
more and the Devon Conway who came into the Test
team so spectacularly. What that double one hundred he got
in his very first inning is against England. That lord's
in the middle of twenty twenty one. That's what we
want to see. That is what we want to see.

(23:15):
And I think you'll see Devin Conway in Wellington. I
don't think they'll bring Will Young in. I think if
they were going to do it, they would have done
it at the start of the series off the back
of that hot hand in India. Chris, I mate, I mate,
I love.

Speaker 10 (23:28):
A good cricket chat. Now they were in cricket season.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Me too.

Speaker 10 (23:33):
I personally would put Will Young in at the expense
of the wicket keeper. Forgot his name for a sorry
Tom Blundell.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yeah, so who's keeping wicket? Who's keeping wicket? Then, Chris,
come on.

Speaker 10 (23:48):
I would give the wicket keeping to Conway and put
him down at five respects and put Will Young up
at the top order and also sacrifice Dowdy for this
particular match and bring in Santa's little helper and that
would be a really would go in side. I think
going into the third Test at his home and grand

(24:12):
you can potentially bring back you know, South into into
the mix for selection. But you know we're one nil
down now, so we're going to take this seriously. So
I'm just thinking it's, you know, Will Young the best players,
the player of the series over in India. He's in form,
and the one batsman that's out of form is actually

(24:35):
our wicket keeper. So just replace him with another wicket keeper.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yeah. The only counterpoint to that, Chris, is that Devin
Conway is not as special as wicket keeper. That's the
that's the counterpoint to the argument.

Speaker 10 (24:48):
I do understand that. But at the same time, he
can catch a ball and he's taken some good catches
over the years. When he has in twenty twenty or
or one day is so you know, I mean like
it's I think it's a little bit of a sacrifice
you have to make. I mean, I know that Test
work keepers have a good attention stand and it's an

(25:10):
art to be a Test wicket keeper. I mean, that's
why the Australians have a usialized Test wicket keeper and
they've always been great. So you know, I just think
we need to have a look at it and go
what makes our team stronger for this next match, because
this is imperative that we take a result out of it.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
And just on the point of presumably you think Mitchell
Santin will playing Wellington.

Speaker 10 (25:37):
I hope he does because he's off the back of
some career high form. So you know, I'd like to
see him in the team. I mean, we've got two
decent spinners in the team already, you know, Phillips and Vendra,
but you know, just to have him there because he
toils away. You know, he's one of those nasty spinners

(25:58):
that you only get out to him because you play
a bad shot and so the other guys you can
hit a four or you get out of them. But
I just think that he proved himself in India enough
to get a recall in a home Test.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Good stuff, Chris love chatting cricket with you, mate. Stay
tuned across the summer. I'm sure we'll have lost to
talk to one another about, mate. I eight one hundred
and eighty ten eighties our number twenty four away from
eight high. Wayne.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
Hey, yeah, Pony, so I agree with what you were
saying earlier too. I actually agree with I think Ship
moves up one spot. So you've got bundle. Yeah, and
we've got to keep the Wellington players, give them their chance.
That includes Conway as well.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
You won't get an argument for me on that way.
I'll get accused of I'll get accused of a strict
extreme bias. But yeah, I agree.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
But you know your class at settlements dropped out of
the foreman in there.

Speaker 6 (26:57):
But oh you got it.

Speaker 4 (26:59):
You know he's a bloody good plan and so what
I would have you know, And people haven't really talks
about least on two years. It's got a century for
a sety two winnings or something, and he's always getting
caught in the slips anyway. That sad. He's the captain.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah, yeah, now that's the one, as you know. Yeah,
I knew that you and I mean that. It's it's
unlikely they're going to drop Latham. He's the captain. So
I thought the forty. I thought the forty already got
in the first innings. Was was kind of unlath them,
like in the way he sort of breezily went about
about his work. But so thought, that's that's actually the
best I've seen from Tom Latham for a while. And
I thought he was going to get another another hundred

(27:38):
aggly but obviously got he didn't go.

Speaker 4 (27:41):
He did, he got good. The other thing is that
you know the middle order, you know Russian. He just
he's out a throat maker. And they surely got out
to the other day. But the one thing that concerned
me was when the second new ball in the first
innings and we've got to singing your ball and an

(28:05):
overall two of poor walk they can't drop. So they
got a new ball and he got spanked for ten runs, eleven,
twelve and over. And then I kicked my mate the
other yesterday and I hope that it isn't but him
again and he got spanked. So if you're going to
drop a sema to the next Test, unfortunately I know

(28:27):
it's birthdays in December, because what can't play at the
days in December over the years, and given the finalite
at Hamilton, but we need to win the Tests. And
Nathan Smith to me that he could have got five
le six wickets in their innings, you know, Barty eight
drop catch. It sets my thoughts anyway, No.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
They're good. They're good thoughts. Wine, they're good thoughts. Please
call again. I eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is our number. I think if if look, I can't
read minds, but I I kind of feel like if
someone's going to drop out for Santana, I feel like
they might they might drop Nathan Smith, which I think

(29:11):
would be really unfair after one test during which I
think he did really well. You know, as a number
of people have said me Co included, he could have
had a fifer in that first innings if people had
held onto their catchers. The only problem I think with
Nathan Smith and christ Church was the number of runs
he went for. He went for six and over across

(29:32):
the two innings. It wasn't helped to course by England
absolutely flaying it in the second and is what he
went for thirty eight and three in of it overs.
But I think in the second innings he showed a
bit of steal with the bat and getting through to
twenty one. He's clearly the future and the sentimentality of
it is only part of it. But he's at his
home ground, he's at the basin that's got to be

(29:52):
worth something. It doesn't mean you just pick guys from
Wellington at the base and just like you don't just
pick guys from christ Church at Hagleyoval and similarly guys
from northern districts up in Hamilton.

Speaker 11 (30:02):
But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
I just feel like it would be really a harsh
call to drop Nathan Smith and your options are getting narrowed.
Really if you keep Nathan Smith and then you're not
going to drop Man Enery. He's our best bowler. So
it's then a choice between South and O Rourke and
I think you've got to have your fastest bowler out there.
I'm just talking to myself, really, rich are I That's

(30:25):
all I'm doing. I'm just talking to myself.

Speaker 7 (30:30):
You kind of have wonder the appointee. Maybe we need
to do to the black kids need to give a
new sunscreen sponsor a behichause maybe the handshati is that
going to take those.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
We did a dry a sawdust based sunscreen.

Speaker 7 (30:47):
Very much.

Speaker 9 (30:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (30:49):
I mean when you talk about Conway, you do make
a good point.

Speaker 6 (30:52):
I just think that you know, he.

Speaker 7 (30:54):
Did school runs in NBA, and it's kind of like, well,
it seems that every teaste if you know he's doing
brig fans, It's like, right, we're going to change this person.
We're going to change that person. It's kind i can't
understand when people come on with Conway, but I think
for me, when it comes to the Test, we're going
to remind hself what happens earlier in the year with Australia,
where you know Gleen fillips to five wickets, So it's

(31:15):
not like, well for me, I think when I look
at this eleven, I probably kicked on at the top
of the order. I know it's so tough one when
it comes to young but when you go look at
the bottom of the ilusly think that Philip's about six,
blunder at seven and then you've got sat there at
eight and then you go Psmith a rule and Henry.
That's kind of how I see if I was a selector,

(31:37):
because I think for me, Piney is that you know,
I understand it's how he's about the pool bus stumps
on his test through, but are we just playing him
for the sake of plane and because he's got friends
is just very like he's going to play your best
to live in And I just kind of feel that
we are we just going to keep rewarding loyalty or
we're going to go towards someone like Nathan Smith, who's
twenty six young who deserved a lot more wickets than

(32:00):
when he got at Hackley, that he does you should
play ahead of him.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Yeah, I agree with that, and I think it's it's
so tough on the whole sentimentality part riche because I
think we all would probably agree that Tim Soudy deserves
some sort of of finale, some sort of fond farewell.
But like you say, what happens if let's just say,
for arguments sake, that they that he doesn't play in
Wellington and Smith, Henry O'Rourke and Sentner Rollingland win the game,

(32:28):
then what do you doing Hamilton? Do you say we
can't change that team just to Shoehorn and a bloke
who's playing his last test.

Speaker 7 (32:36):
Well, you're going to go and you're going to go
and look at the situation with Neil Wegner and another
I didn't keep the Swan song, so I'm sorry. It
doesn't always keep the fitting for you. Well, where everyone's
going to stand up and collapse you down and then
put you on your shoulders and say thank you, Tim Salde.
So I'm going to take a tough approach to you

(32:57):
that I'm sorry Salde, I just don't have you.

Speaker 6 (33:00):
In my living mate.

Speaker 7 (33:01):
As you know, for people like Smith who bowld very
well on Heckley, he's going to come and hear. And
you know, I think when the point it's fre to go,
I think Philips really needs to be the sex.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
I think I agree with.

Speaker 7 (33:17):
Change there.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Yeah, I totally agree. Gary Steed's rationale is that he
likes the way that Glenn Phillips beats with the tail.
But for me, like I say, I think, you know,
it's not like you're it's not like you're swapping a
bloke at four and a bloke at eight, six and
seven are kind of interchangeable. And Glenn Phillips might still
end up betting with the tail, you know, if he
if he beats at six, you know, and then Tom

(33:40):
Blundele comes in and gets out, then Glen Philips are
still betting with the tail. I think it's a yeah,
it's it's it's I think it's it's not a strong
argument for not changing it around. Hey, Cliff.

Speaker 9 (33:54):
Evening party. Look Blundell's bedding like a tail ender. Yeah.
I just I saw Steed on the news tonight. He's
sole and proud of his teeth. He's so loyal to
every guy in that squad, especially the start at eleven.
You know he made a change when Saudi from captaincy

(34:16):
and lifted a side to me, your keeper is the
guy on the field that sets the standard of the field.
He directs how the players.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
He is doing it in the fields. Do you not
think he's doing that in the field? Do you not
think he's keeping?

Speaker 4 (34:32):
Well?

Speaker 9 (34:33):
I was at christ Church watching the two days four
days with two brothers and I and we and my
brother was a bit of a keeper in his day
club cricket, and we looked at Blundle and we felt
that he was a shadow of his old self. He
was dropping the ball Smith he even said, and Smith
said the same thing. He was dropping stuff. He've got

(34:54):
like a club, a club keeper. And if he can't
sit the standard there a field goes back with him.
Maybe it's badding. He's only made one score of over
forty and past twenty five testinings. Now Stead said that
he was a batsman and the team that's why he

(35:14):
puts him at six. He's got no form with the
bat and his glove work looks very average, and he
sets that if he's not going to set the standard
by being a good enough keeper a Test keeper. Then
he lets the side down. The rest of the field
were poor. Funny how the guys that dropped all the

(35:34):
catchers were Santana A sorry Phillips, Latham and Conway. Those
three were the ones that did all the drop catching.
The bowler was. I felt sorry for O'Rourke and Smith
watching these guys drop and they were they weren't, you know.
Phillips took a good one, but he dropped a couple
of rubbish funds too, and so them it was. It

(35:58):
was pretty diabolical. They went back to the Sri Lanka
style of game that they played those two matches over there.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Club. I got to I gotta move, mate, I have
to I've got to move. But I really enjoyed chatting
to you, mate, and I wanted to talk about who
would be who would be the keeper if it wasn't
Tom Blundell. I've got some ideas here which I'm sure
you'll have as well. Unfortunately, have to move, mate, but
maybe we can chat again over the weekend. It's fourteen
away from a news talks be.

Speaker 11 (36:27):
Ladies.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Our rankings, Yes, indeed, time for Piney's Power rankings, as
we rate the best, the worst and everything in between
from the Sporting weekend. I've gotta say it's kind of
crowded down at the bottom where we start with the
black Caps fielding. Oh, he goes up over.

Speaker 9 (36:47):
It's in the air.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Someone's getting underneath it as whip. Don't drop it. It's Phillips.
That's a difficult wade running backwards. But chalk it up.
Drop number eight eight eight, Drop Catchers eight nine. The
Chicago Bears in the NFL.

Speaker 11 (37:03):
Complete and the came is over it completely boxed at
the end by the Arris utterly choking at the end
there to lose to the top seeded Detroit Lyons.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
So much so that their coach got fired the next day.
Eight Manchester City their nightmare continues.

Speaker 11 (37:22):
It's an incredible fourth Premier League defeating a role for
Araider champions.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
That is six losses and a drawer in their last
seven games in all competitions. The last time Manchester City
won a game of football was on the twenty seventh
of October seven. Seven's our own Liam Lawson not been
his best night in FOURBULA one so far? To Liam Lawson, no,
he hasn't. It's so tricky down there with you feel
like you've got grip and it just goes away from

(37:48):
you so quickly.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
But yeah, he was a little bit too free up
on the breaks.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
I thak disappointing weekend in Qatar as his hopes for
are seats in twenty twenty five in the top team
anyway start to dwindle. But still plenty of brighter times
ahead for Liam, I'm sure. Six the All Black Sevens
are a very tough weekend for them. They started the
latest edition of the World seven Series with a pool

(38:11):
play lost to Spain. That will do it for Spain.
What a win we lost, leonas seven Spain had beat
New Zealand for just a third time in their history
and they beat us in the semifinals as well. Five
five the Black Fern Sevens. They were better five than
a row for the Australians in Dubai. Australia twenty eight,

(38:32):
New zeal And twenty four. Yeah, but not good enough
to stand on top of the podium. A close second
and their first hit out of the New Seven's circuits
four four is Perth Wildcat's basketballer Bryce Cotton.

Speaker 11 (38:45):
An unbelievable performance from Bryce Cotton won for the record books.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
In all kinds of ways the all time modern forty
minute era record with fifty.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Nine fifty fifty nine points for Bryce Cotton. Unfortunately he
did it against the Breakers in Perth's win last night.
Three Liverpool well and truly in the box seat. Now
for the Premier League title. There is no show like
a mole show for Liverpool. The mosel Are scoring from

(39:18):
the penalty spot to give Liverpool a two milwin over
Manchester City this morning. Nine points clear at the top
now two saying with the fall Chris Wood another goal,
It's not even that surprising anymore, is it. It is
equal ext.

Speaker 5 (39:35):
From Chris Wood.

Speaker 11 (39:37):
He joins Brian roy Us Dottingham Forest's most pronific Premier.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
League goal scorer. That's nine and thirteen Premier League games
this season now for Chris Wood, seventy eight all up
in the Premier League and fourteen in his last thirteen
games for club and country. And it's a round ball
podium as we get to number one. The footballing juggernaut
that is Auckland FC. Five games, five wins, no goals conceded,

(40:09):
a lies.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
On referee Tom Danascus and he confirms Workland FC go
five from five.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Here they've got the Phoenix on Saturday. That'll be an
absolute Bobby dazzler. How do you feel about the power
rankings tonight?

Speaker 12 (40:25):
While Poney last week at them, Cooper controversially put Auckland's
number one when you were away, and now I thought,
that's that's a bit that on the nose you go
he puts talking see up top.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Now you do it as well. So I'm proud of you.
Piney going where knowing where the Homer football is. I'll
tell you what that game on Saturday at Derby. I said,
they've opened up an extra bunch of tickets on the
North Bankers at the North Bank at Mount Smart with
a big sliders. Yeah, North Bank up. So they're hoping

(40:56):
to get another thousand or so punters and that could
push it up to over twenty six thousand. That's going
to be huge, going to be massive. Piney's Power Rankings
a feature of our Monday Night. They return next Monday night,
three and a half away from eight. That's us for
Sports Talk for another evening. It's back tomorrow the program
that is Darcy Wartergrave in the chair from seven through

(41:17):
eight tomorrow and right through the rest of the week.
We're back on Saturday for weekend sport, coming to you
from our Auckland studios ahead of the A League derby actually,
but also there'll be lots of cricket to talk. Thank
you for all your calls and correspondens tonight. I'm sorry
we couldn't get everybody on the air raft of text
messages making very good points I must say, which I
couldn't quite get to. But there'll be plenty of time

(41:37):
across the summer. I'm sure to debate cricketing issues regarding
team selection, the batting order, swan songs, deboots, methods of bowling,
all sorts of things. Marcus Lush is on your radio
after eight o'clock for the rest of your Monday. Thanks
to Andy McDonald for producing, and we will see you,
as I say, on Saturday for weekend sport. Wiping out.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
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