December 5, 2024 • 42 mins
D’Arcy Waldegrave is back to round up today's sporting news. Highlights for tonight include:
David Chote - former All White on the success of Auckland FC.
Talkback - how has Auckland FC stayed so successful?
Mike Hesson - former Black Caps head coach on the side named to play England in the second test.
Mark Howard - Fox Sports cricket commentator previews the India-Australia cricket test.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Waldegrave
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Greetings, greetings, good evening and welcome. Seven minutes up to seven.
It's a Thursday night, fifth of December tweenty twenty four. Hello,
my name is Darcy. Oh here it's eight o'clock up
after that Marcus slash. But between now and then it's
all sport, but a cricket, A bit more cricket, bit
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of football, bunch of you. Oh one hundred and eighty
ten eighty three phone number nationwide. You can text nineteen
nineteen that is z b zby. A standard text charge
does apply there, so call me because nhhing. I'm interested
in why Auckland Football Club has been so successful as
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a startup this year. How's this happened? We talk wildest dreams.
I'd suggest Bill Foley, Carrac everybody else involved you to
turn around and said, yeah, you're unbeate and you haven't
considered a go and have been selling out grounds after
five What cool lady you on bro, Well that's happened,
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and they are convincing, they are successful and they are
I mean, of course they're gonna sell out. It's a Derby,
you would, but what an astonishing turn of events for
a brand new club, especially when you take into account
the smashes of history with the Kings and the Knights.
Maybe we best let that go. We won't because I'm
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gonna talk to David Choked shortly about that very subject,
and I'm really interested in your thoughts after. Is it
just about winning? Is that that they win therefore they
come or is there a whole lot more into the
resurgence of football and the start the lurch into the
A League from the Auckland Football Club. We'll catch up
Mike Hesson as well form a black Caps coach. There
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is no frontline spinner. There was a mean old trick
from the black Caps. They stuck Mitchell Santner up for
the media, which normally says to us in the media,
yeah he's going to be picked, but no canning plan.
So they didn't. So they got Russian Revenger and they've
got Glenn Phillips for the rest. It's for Prong Pacertack.
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What does Mike Essen think of that? He knows a
few things about cricket. He used to coach the team,
but he got it as well on my dad and final.
We go to Mark how He Howld from how He Games,
league cricket commentator for Fox Sport, as we look ahead
to the rose Ball Test. That's a pret lee line
coming up tomorrow in Adelaide as the Australians try and
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rebound from a terrific punch in the face from India
in the first test. That's our plan before our let's
do this Sport today And in Sport Today, New Zealand
cricket skimmer Tom relaitham As addressed the elephant in the
room and issue unlikely to slip through his fingers.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Catching his sound today just like we usually do so
where we haven't necessarily put an extra focus on it
and we understand we went at our best last game,
but we always put the work in behind the scenes,
regardless of with the things have gone away or not.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Like skiing through trees, right, don't hit the trees. Don't
hit the trees, get straight into the tree, follow the track,
follow the track. The skis right, it's the same thing.
Don't think about dropping the ball just anyway. Tall Black
and Breakers Big Sam and Ninger has been a machine
across the mbel this season for the local club. He's
also loving having another unit in the team. The towering
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frame of Pucko.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
For seeing the way he interacts with the fans and
the attention he gets is really cool. And he's been
very so far, and obviously we're looking to build on
that relationship with him and have a great season.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I know he's super tall and thanks for that. You're
a unit yourself. Don't forget that. Thank you. Producer Phoenix
for dar Kasuka. Takasawa gets energy from engagement, even if
it's negative. Right, He's expecting and welcoming some verbal from
a passionate home crowd during Saturday's derby. That's of course,
the Phoenix coming to town.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
That makes us more like up, you know, Lake, I
want to beat them back and you know we have
to do this thing. Yeah, that's probably makes me more
like exciting, very excited.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
And the Silver Ferns are chasing greatness of Grace Wecker,
if you will. She's off to Sydney right, So the
Ferns are heading there too. They're connected with the Swifts
for an intensive summer camp, says coach Dame Nolin Turd.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
We'll be playing against we'll be training alongside Swift, We'll
be hitting the gym, so it's going to be possibly
a seven day camp and.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
That's sport today eleve minutes out seven Let's move now
to a football. Former Dead all White played. David Choate
regular contributed to the program because he knows joins us
now as we look ahead and look back to what's
happened over five weeks? How's this happen?
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Like?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Wow, Auckland FC? Something else? David Choate, Welcome to the
show mate.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
How nice to be welcome in sat fire Man.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
It good das great to hear, looking forward to and
there's an understatement the weekend where the second of three
derbies as it happens in the A League. This time
it's the turn of the Auckland Football Club to host
the Wellington Phoenix and it's AKFC. We want to focus on,
David Choke. What is with this phenomenon? It's exploded? Why
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the success, why the popularity?
Speaker 4 (05:52):
What the well from day one das they sort of
made every step a winning step, from sort of appointing
chief executives through to Steve Carriker as a manager probably
regarded as one of the best managers in the A League,
although he fell out at Sydney He's highly regarded and
has done a fantastic job with him on the pitch
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at Terry mcflynn behind the scenes, a wealth of experience,
particularly in around the A League. They've recruited well. Their
squad is deep and strong. They look like the real
deal from day dot.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Is it a symbol of saying, though, that they win
and you can take all that stuff away regardless of
who was there. They win and that's enough.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Yeah. Yeah, build it and they will come. That's sort
of the old adage. But if you win, they'll keep coming.
So as long as the Auckland side keeps winning, I
think they will keep building a following and the interest
will build and build. Everyone loves a winner, and at
the moment they're winning and making it look relatively straightforward
with that way.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Previous iterations like the Knights and the Kings failed. They
just simply did not have the success or was the
love for football. Not in Auckland where they poorly manage
two cracks in it both abject failures. Not this time around.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Yeah, No, I think the resourcing is the the big difference.
Bill Foley is a sports entrepreneur. While he's a man
who made his money in finance and has interests in
wineries and tourism and lots of things, and he's certainly
been able to get him behind this aucland FC club
grab people from all over and put together an ownership
group and a working group that had made it a
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well resourced outfit. So resources aren't a problem. I think
if you look back in the day these things were.
If you think of Wellington Phoenix, I think it was
Terry Cerrapie's first time round and sort of a single
sort of entity trying to sort of plug away if
you like. But no, this is a far more rounded organization.
Aucland FC have got the on and off the field
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right and it comes through on the park.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Right here, right now. They had extra ten thousand seats
out of nowhere. Do they sell those two?
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Yeah, well, if they keep winning they will. But their
crowd number is so good. I looked at Wellington and
then have looked at Wellington for many years, thought well,
if they can pull ten thousand a week, they've done
very very well. It looks like this Orgland side have
the capability of pulling twenty are the warriors if you like,
and they can become a real sort of fixture in
the calendar for aukandis to get out and support their
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favorite sports team.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
They've got the Port who are having the time of
their lives. It looks like it. I'm not unlike Yellow Fever.
But besides them, who are these fans? Where do they
come from? He couldn't idea about what kind of people
are going to that is that spread helping things?
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Yeah? Look, I think it's similar in Wellington. When you
look in the crowd, there's lots of families, lots of
mums and dads, lots of kids, you know that age
group sort of from anywhere from sort of five three
to fifteen enjoy going along to the football and enjoy
buying the football kit. They're all kidded out. I'd see
here the Organs I sold out of merchandise the other
day or as good as it's that kind of crowd
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of family day, a family day out. And then you've
got the likes of the Port and the Yellow Fever,
the two sort of tribal bases that will grow as well.
And that's sort of full of those passionate football fans
who love to get involved. Remember, supporting a football side
is not a spectator sport. It's a participant sport. You
get involved, and there's people who love that going out
on the weekend and singing and dancing and chant and
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getting your shirts off, swinging the banners and really having
a good time. So it's more than just a game
of football for them, it's sort of a lifestyle.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
How instrumental do you think David Choate is the venue?
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Yeah? I think that's going to be the next challenge
for them. I think they probably and Bill Foley's talked
about it early in the piece about sort of creating
a stadium maybe for ten to twenty thousand, somewhere in
that number, a small stadium. I think he mooted somewhere
around the waterfront. That'd be fantastic. I think that'll be
the next iteration for this franchise, because if they get
their own home, then they get themselves a nice little stadium.
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And if I look around the A League, that's what's happening.
Those sides across the ditch are moving away from the
big homes largely looking for small, little stadiums, unity stadiums
where perhaps you can get ten thousand people and then
sell out week in week out, starve yourself accordingly. And
create a real sort of day out to remember.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
But for the here and now, how instrumental has the
venue been and attracting people, The fact that they're it's
not the middle of town, but it's as close as
they're going to get. That must have helped surely.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Yeah, look it has. But I think I recall when
they first came on the scene people were worried about
it as if any you're thinking, is it going to
the football crowd to that side of town, Well, I'd
say they're coming from all over north, south, east, west.
They're coming in and they're prepared to go that far.
Timing of the matches will be important as well. I
think sort of those early evening kickoffs are the other
way to go, but they'll be able to control that
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to a certain extent in negotiation with the a leg.
But the venue certainly has aided them in pulling together
a crowd and sell out on the weekend. Who would
have thunk it?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Well, at last, David, this is the thing. How long
will it last? They string together a couple of losses,
maybe they get their beans a couple of times. Momentum,
how long can they keep this going for? If you
take into account the possibility of a poor run, which
happens in football.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
And look how long can that last? What marriage is
on every don't last that long. People move out, even years,
people get pretty tired and board of things. Look, there
will be a time when there will be a dip,
There's no doubt about that. But they're riding away the
success at the moment. As long as they keep winning
at the moment, I think the crowds will keept coming.
It was a wed Old day last week. And when
they get thirteen or so thousand, I mean on a
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pretty miserable day, that's a good number to get into
watch a game of football. And remember football is still
a minority sport against the likes of the rugby and
even the league. I think in Auckland has far more
tradition about it. This tradition is just starting. This is
a side that started from scratch. They're starting to form up.
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But yeah, look the crowds may well do. I've got
an if they could be pulling between ten and fifteen thousand,
I think Bill Foley and the ownership group would be
pretty happy.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
The way they play, the way they present, what they
actually do on the part, I'm sure for the hard
core that's very important. But for the general bandwagon jumper,
has that done anything for the traction of the fan base?
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Two thoughts there, because in talking to football folk that
those people who are football nerds, they love the game
and they watch it. The football in the A League
hasn't been of the highest standard the season. There's no
question about that. It's not as strong as it was
in years gone by. It's a development league very much
at the moment and therefore the football for the football
purists might not be as good as they've seen in
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the past. But for your average Joe Punder, I don't
think it matters. I said the other day. Look when
mum and Dad take along their twelve year old kids.
There there for the selfies, for the Instagram, for the
opportunity to say we're out at the Auckland Knights, to
swing a flag, to wear the black and blue. You
know it's a day out and the football in some
ways is a bit of a sideshow.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
We know that the A League control it all and
take all the money. When it comes to the finals
when it really counts, what it's the chances of them
if the Phoenix and Auckland FC have to take each
other on in a knockout match of that shebang being
taken to Eden Park because you're well, it should sell
out right.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Yeah, once you get to the knockout phase, that's when
everybody wants to get on the bandwagon. That's when you
will sell out a stadium or two. Look, I think Auckland,
given their start, would absolutely be eyeing finals football. I
think the jury is still out on the Knicks, so
I think they've started as well as they could have
hoped given the amount of change they've gone through. They
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don't seem to have the same depth as squad to me,
so I won't call them finalists just yet or even
confident about getting in the sex. But I think that
the finals will be reality for Auckland in year one.
That's the way I'm seeing it.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Just a bit of blue sky thinking, mate, just looking
at the positives and we'll finish on this. David Chowton,
as always, thanks for him much for your time. Can
they survive twenty nine rounds with the same energy behind
them and the same traction behind them? It's a long season,
great first five.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Yeah, Look, I think that is a big question, d
It'll be a big call to say that they ride
a wave all the way through the season. You go
into that sort of Christmas New Year period where it's
holiday season in New Zealand, everyone heads to the beach.
There might be a flat patch and the players may
feel that sort of waning of enthusiasm. But I'll tell
you what, come finals football. I think it'll swing back
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in like a second wave and they will drag crowds
from all over all and beyond. Wellington have done it
for years. When they get to the finals, the big
crowds come and you see people flying in from the
South Island, so there is a New Zealand base there
that comes in for the big game. So that's what
will be hoping. A finals run at the right time
of year, playing their best football, you would hope.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
And and your Duff producer extraordinary pointed out to me,
he goes, look, twenty six thousand in a sellout game.
That's probably more than the entire amount of people that
turned up for the entire Kings or Knights season.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
In one game. I think, not only have they collected
more points than the Kings or Nights collectively in five
weeks than either side did in their time in the
A League. They will have actually blown the crowd numbers
well out of the water. So ye at different times
and it's good times to be a orkand FC fan.
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Take your head off to them. They've done a fantastic
job arriving in this A league so successfully.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
The right call is your call on eighty sports Talk.
Call on your home of sports used Talk.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Sivy four mile all whites and football comments, Dude David
Choked joining us and they have had an astonishing start
to the A League season. You could not have asked
for more. You couldn't have asked for more, clean sheet victories,
huge numbers turning up to the grounds even when the
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weather was absolutely pop last weekend. They still are thirteen
fourteen thousand people. It's mental. It's really impressive being a
fan or not. I'm a question to you. You're out there,
you've involved, you've gone along, you've dragged the kids, the family,
you've gone by yourself, you've taken some work. But it
doesn't matter. You've gone there. Why what has driven the
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success the fan success? I think on the field we
know what's driven that. It's been very well coached and
very well selected. But the fans are buying into this.
So is it as simple for a startup club as
results or is it as simple as having a guy
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like Bill Foley with a money bin to swimming like
Scrooge McDuck. So they got all the resources they need.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I talk about the anatomy of disaster. I've done it before.
It's not one thing that drives that disaster. Not that
this is a disaster. It's the same thing. It's probably
not one thing that's given them success. But what is
the arrowhead of this success disaster? There's a lot of
stuff that all comes together and then probably the same
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with success.
Speaker 7 (17:29):
What is it to you?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
What's the arrowhead? What's the driver? What has brought success
to Auckland FC?
Speaker 7 (17:37):
So far?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
He can text through nineteen ninety two that's z B
z B. I'll cost you stand a text charge and
give us all though one hundred and eighty ten eighty'd
love to hear from you.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Talk to me.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
I think it's winning. Look, money helps, no doubt, but
I'm sure when the players go out there, they're not
going out there going wow, we've got a billionaire behind us.
They're going out there to win games of football. That
is their driver. That's why anyone plays sport to win. Wwww.
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Everybody turns up to watch because they're bandwagoners. They want
to be a part of this. They want to be
part of this surge, this tidal wave of joy around
this new football club. And if they have lost their
first couple of games, I don't think we would have
had this. They started off perfectly well and they've carried
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on in the same vein and it is attracting people.
Toody said it, build it and they will come. Win
and they will come as well. You may disagree, but
you'll let me know what is it? Primarily for me Arrowhead,
it is victory. They win and people love winners. So
why wouldn't they turn up? Oh ten to eighty? Where's
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the success from? What drives it? Let us know here
on news talks there b.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
TMO, We've got the breakdown on Sports Talk.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Talk. Why you two?
Speaker 2 (19:30):
They have a nice strip maybe that's it, although if
you wear it in the wrong place in Milan you
might find yourself in trouble. Where another story doesn't mess.
Just colors and stripes, it's all of it is. Why
is it working? Other clubs, other sports are stumbling and
collapsing and no one's turning up, and it's it's not good,
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Like the warriors are going really well, but then it
really well. The proverbial hit the fan, didn't it. Everyone
was turning out. They're having a mountain fun time. It's like, oh,
they're losing, but people keept on watching. How long that
will go for? I don't know. That's the question around
the How long can they last? Can they really keep
this momentum going that long? Let's start from the start.
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Why is it working? I've Auckland FC got it right
because they have wherever you look, whatever metric you look at,
they've got it right. Something's working. Put your finger up
for me, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty, or you
can text your thoughts to ZBZB and we have plenty
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of those. I'll run through some of those for you shortly.
But first up, now we.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Go to Mark.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Hello. Yeah, I don't mean you're right? Mark? Are you
driving through a tornado on mine? You're going?
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Mark?
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Sorry, you got to go. Honestly, it sounds like you're
in the middle of a wave a tunnel tube. Hang ten,
it's just chaos. I'd love to better hear. I'm sure
you've got something relevant to say. But the wind, the
wind's it's killing me. Let's run to the text line.
Please do call through eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Why is it working?
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Why is it working?
Speaker 2 (21:22):
For example, if you are a casual fan of football,
I mean, we're not massive football fans over here, although
increasingly we are becoming that way as the population slowly
climbs and the immigrant population climbs. Football's most popular game
in the world, so naturally it's going to build. But
your average Kiwi fan, your are I'll game.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Have a look.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
What got you going along? What was the driver behind it?
Keep your negativity in check. I thank you for that advice.
I shall completely ignore it. Obviously it's because Steve Karrika
obtains his football acumen from playing for the Mighty Wolves
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in England. That's obviously. I like that, Thank you very much.
There's a few New Zealantines we'd like to pick from
scratch again. I'm sure there are. Maybe we are no longer,
writes this text, racing bear in a rugby nation. Maybe
we have progressed and that's what we're seeing. That's a
point come back. In seventeen years there'll be a dusty memory,
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just like the King's so on and so forth. The
Kings and the Knights. They didn't get off to a
flying start, did They tripped on their laces and face
plant in the first couple of steps.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Not this team.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
This is different. What's different about what has worked? Another
character here is is football fans like the game. The
team doesn't have to win. It's an event. And that
might be getting closer to what is bringing people to
these fixtures, not just the day at the football or
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the day at sport. There's other entertainment. There's a lovely
crowd energy. It's a place where parents feel comfortable bringing
their children, and maybe they even wanted to play the game,
because you know that probably rather the kid played football
than propped and a scrum, and I understand that too.
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I don't know about ticket prices because it's a text
to hear. It says that it's affordable, it's fun, and
Rugby lost sight of the fans. I watched rugby, but
I could never afford to take the family. And I'm
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sick of being ripped off for beer and food. There's
a couple of angles on this one. And thanks for
your texts or your text, it's not. It's not any
cheaper than Super Rugby, really isn't. You can't compare it
to the all Blacks, Different kettle of fish, right, can't.
If you're looking at Super Rugby, there's not much difference.
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What did you work out any about eighty bucks to
take mum, dad and a couple of kids, roughly the
same as Super Rugby. So I don't think you can
use that as an argument. As for the thought that
you don't go anymore because you're sick of being ripped
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off for beer and food, we've gone over this before.
You don't have to eat and drink at games. It's
an hour and a half or maybe two. You know,
you don't have to eat and drink. You can go there,
you can watch the entertainment and go home and have
a sandwich. So you can't blame your inherent greed on
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not going to games. I'm sorry. It just does not
what some of the movies does not wash with me,
really doesn't. Thanks for your text, though, Well, what about
the Warrior's Curse of twenty twenty three? It's amazing for wee,
but now they really are coming apart? Yeah it this
may well happen to this team. Another response around the crowds,
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this Fellaw says or Fellas, it's bs the crowds just
like winning. If they went just for the game, the
Kings and the Knights would have survived. And talking with
David Choke before around the quality of the football and
what is actually on display. Now this is something that
escapes me to it. Agree because when it comes to
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the Vegas to find the details of the game of football,
I'm not an expert. Although watching some EPL over the weekend,
the speed, the accuracy of the EPL and these top
flight teams is really something to behold it. It's quite stunning.
And when I was watching Auckland play over the weekend,
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they looked clumsy. No one looked like they wanted to
take a strike. Nobody looked like they were trying to
grab the game by the seat of the pants. It
was all about no yours, no yours, no yours. Then
they wake up in the last ten minutes it scored
a couple of goals. It's great. So is it the
quality of football that people are enjoying and watching. So
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I spoke to you just before Auckland played their first
game and said, it's not easy to start up a
club win in temper expectations, et cetera. As a Knicks fan.
Unfortunately I was wrong and it a noise out of me.
I think the most important thing was the players they
got in and the coach, and eighty percent of that
comes back to money as the fans as easy to
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support a team when they're winning sales. Here we're going about,
oh what no ten years got in your Hamish, Thanks
very much for yours. People like watching a team win.
That mounts hard for a change. Hey, the wires that
okay for a year or so.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Thirty six.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
We're going to reset. Now we're going to go to
cricket second test of three for the summer. That said
three tests, keep your negativity in check, Darcy. It starts
to Morrison, Wellington, the beautiful Bhuda car aligned the base reserve.
Mike Kessen, form of Black Cats coach joined us next
to look at the team named today no frontline spinner, good, bad,
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indifferent my caess and tells us next I'm working because I'm.
Speaker 7 (27:41):
Oh, it looks so cute. You got.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
It away sports stalk care on Newstalks. There b break
in started taking on at Melbourne that that game has
just tipped off. Six minutes gone. Break us off to
a good start fourteen to nine. I started well last
time as well. That didn't turn out so good. We'll
see things change fourteen twelve, go just like that at
two points? Donald today, Christ go on, get in. Where's
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the big dude? Hard to miss? You must be benched.
Let's move to cricket now, and former Black Caps head
coach Mike Hessen joins us now looking ahead to day
one of the Second Test in Wellington. Mike, welcome to
the show.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Yea very well, thinks does he?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
That's what I like to hear. So I suppose the story, Well,
there's a few of them around this, but the team
is not going to have a spinner. We all thought
Mitchell Sant was going to get a roll because he
got put up to the media. Normally that's the case,
but they tricked us. They're running with four seamers. But
what's your initial reaction to that move?
Speaker 8 (28:47):
Look, I guess there's always going to be an into
the wind option, So I guess if you've got a
seama that can do that job.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
I mean New Zealand had Neil Wagner.
Speaker 8 (28:54):
For years who was able to still create opportunities while
running into the wind. So if they feel they've got
seemas to do that, if they don't think that there's
going to be enough wind and son to sort of
dry the pitch out, then I guess with you know,
Phillips and Rush and Revenger, they've got the luxury of
not having to play a frontline spinner in terms of
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Mitchell satners, So I'm sure they would have weighed all
those things up.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
And when you're going into a Test and your experience
and looking at whether you bring a spinner or not,
looking at the deck, it's kind of hard to predict,
isn't it what the deck is going to do? So
what are their base selections like that on like when
you were doing it.
Speaker 8 (29:34):
Look, the reality is in New Zealand's at the main
venues in Test cricket, the ball doesn't spin because they
have to leave enough grass on it to give it pace.
And that's you know, the last ten years our results,
you know, playing the seamers have been the way to go.
But the difference of the basin is the wind. As
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I said, so I guess you look at the forecast
and that's obviously unproven, as we all know, but forecast
gives you a bit of an indication as to I
guess how much it's going to dry out. Often, the
greener the grass is to start, the quicker it'll dry out.
Because you've got live grass. It needs to suck the
moisture out of the surface. So often if you see
greener grass, then you know it's going to dry out quicker.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
We had bashally taking wickets last week, and of course
you also remember why Ayton Lyon came over and wasn't tenfold,
wasn't it he did particularly well or kind of flying
in the face of common knowledge, So that'd be maybe
haunting or spooking the black Cats, Mike.
Speaker 8 (30:34):
I mean, I think if you watched this year this
his wickets last week, you certainly wouldn't think they were
genuine spinner's wickets. I mean, he gets bounced, but you
know he got some he got some soft dismissals against spin,
and that was generally just through the fact that black
Caps tried to take him on, and you know he
got wickets with full tosses and all sorts of things.
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Nathan Lyon got drift and the one thing that you
will get at the base and reservers drift. So if
you've got a good front line spinner who can get
the ball to move in the air, then it doesn't
necessarily have to turn square. It just has to turn
enough to change the angles. So look, I mean you
look at New Zealand's record the last twelve years at home,
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spinners just haven't done the job and the record at
home for the black Caps has been exceptional, So it
would have to be really conditions where you think the
spinner has to play in order for New Zealand to
do it over here.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
So you're quite happy with the four seemers with a
couple of backup tweakers to go in there. That sits
well with you, Mike Hessen.
Speaker 8 (31:34):
Well, as I said, you look at history and you
suggest the last twelve years we've won matches without a
frontline spinner and we've got the luxury of having Phillips
and Ruts and Revender in the side anyway, So if
the ball spins towards the back end of the match,
then we can deal with that. The other problem with
having four seamers, as you overrate, as you would have seen,
New Zealand got dock points because of their slow overrate
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and not playing a spinner is going to make that challenging.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
You took the words right out of my mouth. That's
been the story. It's been interesting when you consider that
they can get ninety overs three. But it seems that
the punishment has done not enough to make players or
teams be concerned about it. Is this a genuine issue?
Do you think ICC need to come down harder with
what they do, like losing wickets, losing runs, if you
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don't come to the party with your overrate.
Speaker 8 (32:23):
Look, I don't think so. I think that it's actually
got a lot better the last four or five years.
I think the ICC have done They've come down really hard,
and I mean the worst thing they can do is
dock your points. And I mean Australia missed out on
a World Championship final because of our over eight, as
have other teams in the past as well. So there
are severe penalties. But I mean when the match finishes
before the end of the fourth day, there's obviously a
(32:45):
lot of wickets, there's a lot of reviews, there's all
sorts of things that come into come into account. I
certainly don't think sides should be docked over eight in
matches that don't finish in a draw. You know, the
game is moving fast enough, the crowd of getting plenty
of entertainment. I think it can be a yeah, I
(33:05):
think it can be a bit of a curse of
commentators sometimes when they just go on and on about
having to work over time. I think it's just the
reality of all of the things with DRS and the
different angles and all those sort of things that seem
to slow things down.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
I wonder a retrospective judgment more than anything that the
game finished within four days, so we're not going to
bother finding anybody. But then you go to the other
fans being taken advantage of when they're watching on TV
or watching it at the ground. Does that need to
be taken into consideration? Of course, there's the commercial consideration too,
(33:40):
about how many ads get to get played and so
on and so forth. Is that worth worth a look?
Speaker 8 (33:46):
Well, I think you just don't get ads between overs
now like you're used to with paid TV, so they
get the ads in any way. So look, I just
think it's a it's a mantra that keeps getting brought
out by you know, basically for something to talk about.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
It for game slow.
Speaker 8 (34:00):
So I mean the reality is there are more results
now than ever. So the fact that you get eighties
seven over is rather than ninety in a day, but
you get pure entertainment.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
I know what I'd prefer, Mike, let's talk about the seamers.
Chris Can's on the programming. Chris seems the thing that
the long term willow rourke is going to be firebrand
and in Wellington he needs to open the bowling with
the wind at his back, and he sees maybe Soudy
doing the donkey work into the wind. How does that
(34:31):
sit with you?
Speaker 8 (34:34):
Look, I think willow' rourke has good he presents the
scene well, but he also is probably a better bowler
with a slightly older ball, so I'd have a slightly
different view than that. I just think that if you've
got someone who can swing the ball up front. You know,
no issue with Soudy bowling into the wind at his base,
but you need there's generally an end where there's a
(34:57):
slight cross breeze, so you know where the Matt Henry
goes down draft and Sowdy comes into it.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
You know, I'm happy either way.
Speaker 8 (35:07):
Will o'rourk obviously needs to have a bit of an
angle in so he needs to have that. But I
mean I wouldn't want the big fellow running into the
wind too much. Short sharp bursts from him, you know,
with the wind, whether it be with the new ball
or slightly older, I'm not too concerned about that.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Forget the riff's call. You make a call on eight
Sports Talk on your home of Sport News Talks.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Be for my black Cap coach, Mike Hesson. There as
they say in the TVCs. But wait, there's more. You
ne had enough cricket for this hour, certainly not. There's
another Test match starting tomorrow. It's the Pink Ball Day
Night Test Match. It's Indy you're taking on Australia. To
preview that, we're joined by Fox Sports Cricket League commentator
(35:53):
Mark Howard.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
Up next is this home co do the research?
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Nine Minister Break is now trailing album of the matches
going first quarter twenty five plays at twenty We're joined
by Mark how Now Fox Sport currect lead commentator as
we look ahead to the start of the Rose cricket
So Mark, what do you actually make of the day
Night Test matches? And welcome to the show.
Speaker 7 (36:24):
Great to speak to you mate as always, and hello
to your entire audience out there.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Yeah, the cricket part of it.
Speaker 7 (36:30):
I quite enjoy when Jimmy Andsen comes in in our
ashes at that twilight period and he's swinging the ball
around the corner. A couple of years ago, it was
one of the most exhilarating things I've ever seen. Obviously,
Australia bowled out in here for forty six in a
similar situation on the last tour. But if the Aussies
are facing Boomera, it will be incredible to watch. I
(36:50):
do prefer day Test matches. I love getting there early
and having the days play and then you roll around
Adelaide and it's such It's a good venue as there
is for a Test match in Australia possibly in the world.
All the restaurants are full of people talking about cricket,
like the town is obsessed with cricket, so you lose
that social part of it.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Afterwards, I think the bowlers and say, yep, we love it.
Speaker 7 (37:10):
The bat is probably not quite so much, but it's
going to be an enthralling Test match. Obviously, after Australia
got absolutely smoked in the first Test, there is some
fortune and some skill bowling at the right time. But
if it's boomer against the Aussie top six underlights, wow,
it's going to be worth a look.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
Mark.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
How does that affect the decision at the toss? You
see it comes into it to degree. But I suppose
you don't know how long people are going to last
out in the middle when the SWAP's going to be.
But it is an issue that's something that's worked through, surely.
Speaker 7 (37:41):
Yeah, I think it becomes more in a declaration sense
if you're in control with the bat. Obviously, if you
win the toss and bat tomorrow, you don't want to
be bowling, no matter how good your advantages, because it
means you've been castled in four hours. I think it
more comes especially in the second innings. You might be
six down, leading by X number runs and you think, right, well,
we'll forego the extra forty runs we're going to get
(38:03):
with the bat to have a crack with the new ball,
because it's incredible that the ball can be not doing much,
doesn't even have to be the new ball, and there's
just a period just on dusk when all of a
sudden Mitchell startle. His record is incredible with a pink ball,
it's like there's the flick of a switch and all
of a sudden the ball starts moving and talking. So
I think it is more revolved around a declaration and
(38:26):
being forecasting where the game is going to go, probably
a couple of sessions ahead. So I think the Skippers
probably have to look a little bit further down the
track than they normally do when.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
It comes to team selection. How much do the Australian
selectors look at what happened first time round in Perth?
And do you think there'll be wholesale changes? Are there
a knee jerk Bunchmark? No?
Speaker 7 (38:45):
I don't think so, mate. I think you know they're
the World Test champions. A lot of this team one
to fifty over World Cup pretty much a year ago.
Obviously the top order a light more runs. The one
force change will be hazeled out with that slight side strain,
which is a concern because it's a quick turnaround to
the Brisbane Test and as you know, side issues for
bowlers they normally seem to hang round. So Scotty Bowling
(39:08):
gets an opportunity. Australia won't lose anything and that Scotty's
fantastic and to be great with the pink ball.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
Their concern is Mitchell Marsh.
Speaker 7 (39:15):
There's a concern that he has a back issue to
prevent him bowling, whether he bowls or not. So I
imagine Australia pick him as a batter anyway and he
bats number six because he's been scoring as many runs,
if not more than anyone. So they just won't get
any ohs out of Mitchell Marsh. I don't think, but
you know, you know, there's new cricketers come in, Brendan Doggett,
who a lot of your audience wouldn't have heard a
(39:36):
great deal about. And then Bo Webster, who's old school.
He's been getting wickets and runs in the Sheffield Shield,
so it's good to see the Sheffield Shield still has currency.
So if Marsh wasn't able to get up all of
a sudden, your audience will be watching out a lot
of Australians watching a bloke called Bo Webster who bats
and balls. He used to offspin, that's how much of
it all around her he is. And a couple of
years ago he went to pace and he's got wickets
(39:57):
and runs in Shield cricket, so he's I think They
jokingly call him Gary Sobers because he can bowl fast,
he can bowl spin, and he can bat. So you know,
if doesn't get up, I think it'd be great to
see a debutante who's gone on a hard road to
get to this point.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
So be interesting to see what happens. But I think
Marshall be right, No Mark, How.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Would I be stoked if my nickname was Gary Sobers?
I mean, how good? What a great thing to do
with the benefit of hindsight looking back at what happened
to Australia, what they didn't do is some way you
underline what the key to maybe success is where they
have to lived.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
I think the top six needs to make runs, don't they.
Speaker 7 (40:34):
You know you're not India over. You know we arrive
in Perth, India's bowled out for one hundred and fifty.
You think, right, Australi as ahead of the game. Here,
they make three fifty, they win the Test. They lost
wickets on that first day. They lost wickets in a
hell of a hurry. So I think getting bold out
by Boomra on that first day is where the Test
really turned against them. If they were able to battle
(40:54):
that out, they would have gotten the better of the
day to pitch, so it comes down to the top
order runs. Kawaja obviously missed out, Larbashane is the one
that they're talking about. Smith missed out and McSweeney top
four Maye, I don't know what do they make less
than fifteen between them. It was the lowest top four
score for a long time in Australian Test cricket. So
Smith looked really good in the one day as I
(41:15):
expect Marnas to get runs, so hopefully they can turn
it around pretty quickly.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
But Marnus is under the pump.
Speaker 7 (41:20):
But you haven't you know, I haven't seen a man
prepare and work as hard as Marnasy in any sport,
let alone cricket that I've had the privilege of working on.
So there's no guarantees in test cricket. But I reckon
Martus will get runs and that'll help this strain top
order and set things up a little bit more at
the start.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
That's Mark Howard, don't get catch them on how he gains.
Fantastic podcast has some great guests. I think Manus Lub
you're saying this is next guest, thanks for listening to
the program. Some guys text me Michael, thanks mate, out
of touch with you. Of course, attendance is about money
in the cost of a beer or a drink or
a pie, having a piet. The footy is about as
kei we as diabetes. Come on, guys, you don't have
(41:57):
to eat and the thing here and then you got
to take your kids and they want to pie and
they want to COVID. It's not going down. They're there
to make a profit. It's not a charity, right, It's
not a charity, so don't buy it. We'll stop complaining
about it, Didna.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
Out of touch.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
It's not greedy. Thanks very much for joining me. Markes
sluts up. Next here News Talks EB Thanks Duffy.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Greetings, greetings, good evening and welcome. Seven minutes up to seven.
It's a Thursday night, fifth of December tweenty twenty four. Hello,
my name is Darcy. Oh here it's eight o'clock up
after that Marcus slash. But between now and then it's
all sport, but a cricket, A bit more cricket, bit
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of football, bunch of you. Oh one hundred and eighty
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does apply there, so call me because nhhing. I'm interested
in why Auckland Football Club has been so successful as
(01:13):
a startup this year. How's this happened? We talk wildest dreams.
I'd suggest Bill Foley, Carrac everybody else involved you to
turn around and said, yeah, you're unbeate and you haven't
considered a go and have been selling out grounds after
five What cool lady you on bro, Well that's happened,
(01:34):
and they are convincing, they are successful and they are
I mean, of course they're gonna sell out. It's a Derby,
you would, but what an astonishing turn of events for
a brand new club, especially when you take into account
the smashes of history with the Kings and the Knights.
Maybe we best let that go. We won't because I'm
(01:54):
gonna talk to David Choked shortly about that very subject,
and I'm really interested in your thoughts after. Is it
just about winning? Is that that they win therefore they
come or is there a whole lot more into the
resurgence of football and the start the lurch into the
A League from the Auckland Football Club. We'll catch up
Mike Hesson as well form a black Caps coach. There
(02:16):
is no frontline spinner. There was a mean old trick
from the black Caps. They stuck Mitchell Santner up for
the media, which normally says to us in the media,
yeah he's going to be picked, but no canning plan.
So they didn't. So they got Russian Revenger and they've
got Glenn Phillips for the rest. It's for Prong Pacertack.
(02:36):
What does Mike Essen think of that? He knows a
few things about cricket. He used to coach the team,
but he got it as well on my dad and final.
We go to Mark how He Howld from how He Games,
league cricket commentator for Fox Sport, as we look ahead
to the rose Ball Test. That's a pret lee line
coming up tomorrow in Adelaide as the Australians try and
(02:59):
rebound from a terrific punch in the face from India
in the first test. That's our plan before our let's
do this Sport today And in Sport Today, New Zealand
cricket skimmer Tom relaitham As addressed the elephant in the
room and issue unlikely to slip through his fingers.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Catching his sound today just like we usually do so
where we haven't necessarily put an extra focus on it
and we understand we went at our best last game,
but we always put the work in behind the scenes,
regardless of with the things have gone away or not.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Like skiing through trees, right, don't hit the trees. Don't
hit the trees, get straight into the tree, follow the track,
follow the track. The skis right, it's the same thing.
Don't think about dropping the ball just anyway. Tall Black
and Breakers Big Sam and Ninger has been a machine
across the mbel this season for the local club. He's
also loving having another unit in the team. The towering
(03:53):
frame of Pucko.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
For seeing the way he interacts with the fans and
the attention he gets is really cool. And he's been
very so far, and obviously we're looking to build on
that relationship with him and have a great season.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I know he's super tall and thanks for that. You're
a unit yourself. Don't forget that. Thank you. Producer Phoenix
for dar Kasuka. Takasawa gets energy from engagement, even if
it's negative. Right, He's expecting and welcoming some verbal from
a passionate home crowd during Saturday's derby. That's of course,
the Phoenix coming to town.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
That makes us more like up, you know, Lake, I
want to beat them back and you know we have
to do this thing. Yeah, that's probably makes me more
like exciting, very excited.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
And the Silver Ferns are chasing greatness of Grace Wecker,
if you will. She's off to Sydney right, So the
Ferns are heading there too. They're connected with the Swifts
for an intensive summer camp, says coach Dame Nolin Turd.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
We'll be playing against we'll be training alongside Swift, We'll
be hitting the gym, so it's going to be possibly
a seven day camp and.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
That's sport today eleve minutes out seven Let's move now
to a football. Former Dead all White played. David Choate
regular contributed to the program because he knows joins us
now as we look ahead and look back to what's
happened over five weeks? How's this happen?
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Like?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Wow, Auckland FC? Something else? David Choate, Welcome to the
show mate.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
How nice to be welcome in sat fire Man.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
It good das great to hear, looking forward to and
there's an understatement the weekend where the second of three
derbies as it happens in the A League. This time
it's the turn of the Auckland Football Club to host
the Wellington Phoenix and it's AKFC. We want to focus on,
David Choke. What is with this phenomenon? It's exploded? Why
(05:50):
the success, why the popularity?
Speaker 4 (05:52):
What the well from day one das they sort of
made every step a winning step, from sort of appointing
chief executives through to Steve Carriker as a manager probably
regarded as one of the best managers in the A League,
although he fell out at Sydney He's highly regarded and
has done a fantastic job with him on the pitch
(06:12):
at Terry mcflynn behind the scenes, a wealth of experience,
particularly in around the A League. They've recruited well. Their
squad is deep and strong. They look like the real
deal from day dot.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Is it a symbol of saying, though, that they win
and you can take all that stuff away regardless of
who was there. They win and that's enough.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Yeah. Yeah, build it and they will come. That's sort
of the old adage. But if you win, they'll keep coming.
So as long as the Auckland side keeps winning, I
think they will keep building a following and the interest
will build and build. Everyone loves a winner, and at
the moment they're winning and making it look relatively straightforward
with that way.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Previous iterations like the Knights and the Kings failed. They
just simply did not have the success or was the
love for football. Not in Auckland where they poorly manage
two cracks in it both abject failures. Not this time around.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Yeah, No, I think the resourcing is the the big difference.
Bill Foley is a sports entrepreneur. While he's a man
who made his money in finance and has interests in
wineries and tourism and lots of things, and he's certainly
been able to get him behind this aucland FC club
grab people from all over and put together an ownership
group and a working group that had made it a
(07:29):
well resourced outfit. So resources aren't a problem. I think
if you look back in the day these things were.
If you think of Wellington Phoenix, I think it was
Terry Cerrapie's first time round and sort of a single
sort of entity trying to sort of plug away if
you like. But no, this is a far more rounded organization.
Aucland FC have got the on and off the field
(07:50):
right and it comes through on the park.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Right here, right now. They had extra ten thousand seats
out of nowhere. Do they sell those two?
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Yeah, well, if they keep winning they will. But their
crowd number is so good. I looked at Wellington and
then have looked at Wellington for many years, thought well,
if they can pull ten thousand a week, they've done
very very well. It looks like this Orgland side have
the capability of pulling twenty are the warriors if you like,
and they can become a real sort of fixture in
the calendar for aukandis to get out and support their
(08:20):
favorite sports team.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
They've got the Port who are having the time of
their lives. It looks like it. I'm not unlike Yellow Fever.
But besides them, who are these fans? Where do they
come from? He couldn't idea about what kind of people
are going to that is that spread helping things?
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Yeah? Look, I think it's similar in Wellington. When you
look in the crowd, there's lots of families, lots of
mums and dads, lots of kids, you know that age
group sort of from anywhere from sort of five three
to fifteen enjoy going along to the football and enjoy
buying the football kit. They're all kidded out. I'd see
here the Organs I sold out of merchandise the other
day or as good as it's that kind of crowd
(08:59):
of family day, a family day out. And then you've
got the likes of the Port and the Yellow Fever,
the two sort of tribal bases that will grow as well.
And that's sort of full of those passionate football fans
who love to get involved. Remember, supporting a football side
is not a spectator sport. It's a participant sport. You
get involved, and there's people who love that going out
on the weekend and singing and dancing and chant and
(09:22):
getting your shirts off, swinging the banners and really having
a good time. So it's more than just a game
of football for them, it's sort of a lifestyle.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
How instrumental do you think David Choate is the venue?
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Yeah? I think that's going to be the next challenge
for them. I think they probably and Bill Foley's talked
about it early in the piece about sort of creating
a stadium maybe for ten to twenty thousand, somewhere in
that number, a small stadium. I think he mooted somewhere
around the waterfront. That'd be fantastic. I think that'll be
the next iteration for this franchise, because if they get
their own home, then they get themselves a nice little stadium.
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And if I look around the A League, that's what's happening.
Those sides across the ditch are moving away from the
big homes largely looking for small, little stadiums, unity stadiums
where perhaps you can get ten thousand people and then
sell out week in week out, starve yourself accordingly. And
create a real sort of day out to remember.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
But for the here and now, how instrumental has the
venue been and attracting people, The fact that they're it's
not the middle of town, but it's as close as
they're going to get. That must have helped surely.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Yeah, look it has. But I think I recall when
they first came on the scene people were worried about
it as if any you're thinking, is it going to
the football crowd to that side of town, Well, I'd
say they're coming from all over north, south, east, west.
They're coming in and they're prepared to go that far.
Timing of the matches will be important as well. I
think sort of those early evening kickoffs are the other
way to go, but they'll be able to control that
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to a certain extent in negotiation with the a leg.
But the venue certainly has aided them in pulling together
a crowd and sell out on the weekend. Who would
have thunk it?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Well, at last, David, this is the thing. How long
will it last? They string together a couple of losses,
maybe they get their beans a couple of times. Momentum,
how long can they keep this going for? If you
take into account the possibility of a poor run, which
happens in football.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
And look how long can that last? What marriage is
on every don't last that long. People move out, even years,
people get pretty tired and board of things. Look, there
will be a time when there will be a dip,
There's no doubt about that. But they're riding away the
success at the moment. As long as they keep winning
at the moment, I think the crowds will keept coming.
It was a wed Old day last week. And when
they get thirteen or so thousand, I mean on a
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pretty miserable day, that's a good number to get into
watch a game of football. And remember football is still
a minority sport against the likes of the rugby and
even the league. I think in Auckland has far more
tradition about it. This tradition is just starting. This is
a side that started from scratch. They're starting to form up.
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But yeah, look the crowds may well do. I've got
an if they could be pulling between ten and fifteen thousand,
I think Bill Foley and the ownership group would be
pretty happy.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
The way they play, the way they present, what they
actually do on the part, I'm sure for the hard
core that's very important. But for the general bandwagon jumper,
has that done anything for the traction of the fan base?
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Two thoughts there, because in talking to football folk that
those people who are football nerds, they love the game
and they watch it. The football in the A League
hasn't been of the highest standard the season. There's no
question about that. It's not as strong as it was
in years gone by. It's a development league very much
at the moment and therefore the football for the football
purists might not be as good as they've seen in
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the past. But for your average Joe Punder, I don't
think it matters. I said the other day. Look when
mum and Dad take along their twelve year old kids.
There there for the selfies, for the Instagram, for the
opportunity to say we're out at the Auckland Knights, to
swing a flag, to wear the black and blue. You
know it's a day out and the football in some
ways is a bit of a sideshow.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
We know that the A League control it all and
take all the money. When it comes to the finals
when it really counts, what it's the chances of them
if the Phoenix and Auckland FC have to take each
other on in a knockout match of that shebang being
taken to Eden Park because you're well, it should sell
out right.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Yeah, once you get to the knockout phase, that's when
everybody wants to get on the bandwagon. That's when you
will sell out a stadium or two. Look, I think Auckland,
given their start, would absolutely be eyeing finals football. I
think the jury is still out on the Knicks, so
I think they've started as well as they could have
hoped given the amount of change they've gone through. They
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don't seem to have the same depth as squad to me,
so I won't call them finalists just yet or even
confident about getting in the sex. But I think that
the finals will be reality for Auckland in year one.
That's the way I'm seeing it.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Just a bit of blue sky thinking, mate, just looking
at the positives and we'll finish on this. David Chowton,
as always, thanks for him much for your time. Can
they survive twenty nine rounds with the same energy behind
them and the same traction behind them? It's a long season,
great first five.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Yeah, Look, I think that is a big question, d
It'll be a big call to say that they ride
a wave all the way through the season. You go
into that sort of Christmas New Year period where it's
holiday season in New Zealand, everyone heads to the beach.
There might be a flat patch and the players may
feel that sort of waning of enthusiasm. But I'll tell
you what, come finals football. I think it'll swing back
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in like a second wave and they will drag crowds
from all over all and beyond. Wellington have done it
for years. When they get to the finals, the big
crowds come and you see people flying in from the
South Island, so there is a New Zealand base there
that comes in for the big game. So that's what
will be hoping. A finals run at the right time
of year, playing their best football, you would hope.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
And and your Duff producer extraordinary pointed out to me,
he goes, look, twenty six thousand in a sellout game.
That's probably more than the entire amount of people that
turned up for the entire Kings or Knights season.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
In one game. I think, not only have they collected
more points than the Kings or Nights collectively in five
weeks than either side did in their time in the
A League. They will have actually blown the crowd numbers
well out of the water. So ye at different times
and it's good times to be a orkand FC fan.
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Take your head off to them. They've done a fantastic
job arriving in this A league so successfully.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
The right call is your call on eighty sports Talk.
Call on your home of sports used Talk.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Sivy four mile all whites and football comments, Dude David
Choked joining us and they have had an astonishing start
to the A League season. You could not have asked
for more. You couldn't have asked for more, clean sheet victories,
huge numbers turning up to the grounds even when the
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weather was absolutely pop last weekend. They still are thirteen
fourteen thousand people. It's mental. It's really impressive being a
fan or not. I'm a question to you. You're out there,
you've involved, you've gone along, you've dragged the kids, the family,
you've gone by yourself, you've taken some work. But it
doesn't matter. You've gone there. Why what has driven the
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success the fan success? I think on the field we
know what's driven that. It's been very well coached and
very well selected. But the fans are buying into this.
So is it as simple for a startup club as
results or is it as simple as having a guy
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like Bill Foley with a money bin to swimming like
Scrooge McDuck. So they got all the resources they need.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I talk about the anatomy of disaster. I've done it before.
It's not one thing that drives that disaster. Not that
this is a disaster. It's the same thing. It's probably
not one thing that's given them success. But what is
the arrowhead of this success disaster? There's a lot of
stuff that all comes together and then probably the same
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with success.
Speaker 7 (17:29):
What is it to you?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
What's the arrowhead? What's the driver? What has brought success
to Auckland FC?
Speaker 7 (17:37):
So far?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
He can text through nineteen ninety two that's z B
z B. I'll cost you stand a text charge and
give us all though one hundred and eighty ten eighty'd
love to hear from you.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Talk to me.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
I think it's winning. Look, money helps, no doubt, but
I'm sure when the players go out there, they're not
going out there going wow, we've got a billionaire behind us.
They're going out there to win games of football. That
is their driver. That's why anyone plays sport to win. Wwww.
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Everybody turns up to watch because they're bandwagoners. They want
to be a part of this. They want to be
part of this surge, this tidal wave of joy around
this new football club. And if they have lost their
first couple of games, I don't think we would have
had this. They started off perfectly well and they've carried
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on in the same vein and it is attracting people.
Toody said it, build it and they will come. Win
and they will come as well. You may disagree, but
you'll let me know what is it? Primarily for me Arrowhead,
it is victory. They win and people love winners. So
why wouldn't they turn up? Oh ten to eighty? Where's
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the success from? What drives it? Let us know here
on news talks there b.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
TMO, We've got the breakdown on Sports Talk.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Talk. Why you two?
Speaker 2 (19:30):
They have a nice strip maybe that's it, although if
you wear it in the wrong place in Milan you
might find yourself in trouble. Where another story doesn't mess.
Just colors and stripes, it's all of it is. Why
is it working? Other clubs, other sports are stumbling and
collapsing and no one's turning up, and it's it's not good,
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Like the warriors are going really well, but then it
really well. The proverbial hit the fan, didn't it. Everyone
was turning out. They're having a mountain fun time. It's like, oh,
they're losing, but people keept on watching. How long that
will go for? I don't know. That's the question around
the How long can they last? Can they really keep
this momentum going that long? Let's start from the start.
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Why is it working? I've Auckland FC got it right
because they have wherever you look, whatever metric you look at,
they've got it right. Something's working. Put your finger up
for me, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty, or you
can text your thoughts to ZBZB and we have plenty
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of those. I'll run through some of those for you shortly.
But first up, now we.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Go to Mark.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Hello. Yeah, I don't mean you're right? Mark? Are you
driving through a tornado on mine? You're going?
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Mark?
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Sorry, you got to go. Honestly, it sounds like you're
in the middle of a wave a tunnel tube. Hang ten,
it's just chaos. I'd love to better hear. I'm sure
you've got something relevant to say. But the wind, the
wind's it's killing me. Let's run to the text line.
Please do call through eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Why is it working?
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Why is it working?
Speaker 2 (21:22):
For example, if you are a casual fan of football,
I mean, we're not massive football fans over here, although
increasingly we are becoming that way as the population slowly
climbs and the immigrant population climbs. Football's most popular game
in the world, so naturally it's going to build. But
your average Kiwi fan, your are I'll game.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Have a look.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
What got you going along? What was the driver behind it?
Keep your negativity in check. I thank you for that advice.
I shall completely ignore it. Obviously it's because Steve Karrika
obtains his football acumen from playing for the Mighty Wolves
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in England. That's obviously. I like that, Thank you very much.
There's a few New Zealantines we'd like to pick from
scratch again. I'm sure there are. Maybe we are no longer,
writes this text, racing bear in a rugby nation. Maybe
we have progressed and that's what we're seeing. That's a
point come back. In seventeen years there'll be a dusty memory,
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just like the King's so on and so forth. The
Kings and the Knights. They didn't get off to a
flying start, did They tripped on their laces and face
plant in the first couple of steps.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Not this team.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
This is different. What's different about what has worked? Another
character here is is football fans like the game. The
team doesn't have to win. It's an event. And that
might be getting closer to what is bringing people to
these fixtures, not just the day at the football or
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the day at sport. There's other entertainment. There's a lovely
crowd energy. It's a place where parents feel comfortable bringing
their children, and maybe they even wanted to play the game,
because you know that probably rather the kid played football
than propped and a scrum, and I understand that too.
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I don't know about ticket prices because it's a text
to hear. It says that it's affordable, it's fun, and
Rugby lost sight of the fans. I watched rugby, but
I could never afford to take the family. And I'm
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sick of being ripped off for beer and food. There's
a couple of angles on this one. And thanks for
your texts or your text, it's not. It's not any
cheaper than Super Rugby, really isn't. You can't compare it
to the all Blacks, Different kettle of fish, right, can't.
If you're looking at Super Rugby, there's not much difference.
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What did you work out any about eighty bucks to
take mum, dad and a couple of kids, roughly the
same as Super Rugby. So I don't think you can
use that as an argument. As for the thought that
you don't go anymore because you're sick of being ripped
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off for beer and food, we've gone over this before.
You don't have to eat and drink at games. It's
an hour and a half or maybe two. You know,
you don't have to eat and drink. You can go there,
you can watch the entertainment and go home and have
a sandwich. So you can't blame your inherent greed on
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not going to games. I'm sorry. It just does not
what some of the movies does not wash with me,
really doesn't. Thanks for your text, though, Well, what about
the Warrior's Curse of twenty twenty three? It's amazing for wee,
but now they really are coming apart? Yeah it this
may well happen to this team. Another response around the crowds,
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this Fellaw says or Fellas, it's bs the crowds just
like winning. If they went just for the game, the
Kings and the Knights would have survived. And talking with
David Choke before around the quality of the football and
what is actually on display. Now this is something that
escapes me to it. Agree because when it comes to
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the Vegas to find the details of the game of football,
I'm not an expert. Although watching some EPL over the weekend,
the speed, the accuracy of the EPL and these top
flight teams is really something to behold it. It's quite stunning.
And when I was watching Auckland play over the weekend,
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they looked clumsy. No one looked like they wanted to
take a strike. Nobody looked like they were trying to
grab the game by the seat of the pants. It
was all about no yours, no yours, no yours. Then
they wake up in the last ten minutes it scored
a couple of goals. It's great. So is it the
quality of football that people are enjoying and watching. So
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I spoke to you just before Auckland played their first
game and said, it's not easy to start up a
club win in temper expectations, et cetera. As a Knicks fan.
Unfortunately I was wrong and it a noise out of me.
I think the most important thing was the players they
got in and the coach, and eighty percent of that
comes back to money as the fans as easy to
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support a team when they're winning sales. Here we're going about,
oh what no ten years got in your Hamish, Thanks
very much for yours. People like watching a team win.
That mounts hard for a change. Hey, the wires that
okay for a year or so.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Thirty six.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
We're going to reset. Now we're going to go to
cricket second test of three for the summer. That said
three tests, keep your negativity in check, Darcy. It starts
to Morrison, Wellington, the beautiful Bhuda car aligned the base reserve.
Mike Kessen, form of Black Cats coach joined us next
to look at the team named today no frontline spinner, good, bad,
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indifferent my caess and tells us next I'm working because I'm.
Speaker 7 (27:41):
Oh, it looks so cute. You got.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
It away sports stalk care on Newstalks. There b break
in started taking on at Melbourne that that game has
just tipped off. Six minutes gone. Break us off to
a good start fourteen to nine. I started well last
time as well. That didn't turn out so good. We'll
see things change fourteen twelve, go just like that at
two points? Donald today, Christ go on, get in. Where's
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the big dude? Hard to miss? You must be benched.
Let's move to cricket now, and former Black Caps head
coach Mike Hessen joins us now looking ahead to day
one of the Second Test in Wellington. Mike, welcome to
the show.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Yea very well, thinks does he?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
That's what I like to hear. So I suppose the story, Well,
there's a few of them around this, but the team
is not going to have a spinner. We all thought
Mitchell Sant was going to get a roll because he
got put up to the media. Normally that's the case,
but they tricked us. They're running with four seamers. But
what's your initial reaction to that move?
Speaker 8 (28:47):
Look, I guess there's always going to be an into
the wind option, So I guess if you've got a
seama that can do that job.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
I mean New Zealand had Neil Wagner.
Speaker 8 (28:54):
For years who was able to still create opportunities while
running into the wind. So if they feel they've got
seemas to do that, if they don't think that there's
going to be enough wind and son to sort of
dry the pitch out, then I guess with you know,
Phillips and Rush and Revenger, they've got the luxury of
not having to play a frontline spinner in terms of
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Mitchell satners, So I'm sure they would have weighed all
those things up.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
And when you're going into a Test and your experience
and looking at whether you bring a spinner or not,
looking at the deck, it's kind of hard to predict,
isn't it what the deck is going to do? So
what are their base selections like that on like when
you were doing it.
Speaker 8 (29:34):
Look, the reality is in New Zealand's at the main
venues in Test cricket, the ball doesn't spin because they
have to leave enough grass on it to give it pace.
And that's you know, the last ten years our results,
you know, playing the seamers have been the way to go.
But the difference of the basin is the wind. As
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I said, so I guess you look at the forecast
and that's obviously unproven, as we all know, but forecast
gives you a bit of an indication as to I
guess how much it's going to dry out. Often, the
greener the grass is to start, the quicker it'll dry out.
Because you've got live grass. It needs to suck the
moisture out of the surface. So often if you see
greener grass, then you know it's going to dry out quicker.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
We had bashally taking wickets last week, and of course
you also remember why Ayton Lyon came over and wasn't tenfold,
wasn't it he did particularly well or kind of flying
in the face of common knowledge, So that'd be maybe
haunting or spooking the black Cats, Mike.
Speaker 8 (30:34):
I mean, I think if you watched this year this
his wickets last week, you certainly wouldn't think they were
genuine spinner's wickets. I mean, he gets bounced, but you
know he got some he got some soft dismissals against spin,
and that was generally just through the fact that black
Caps tried to take him on, and you know he
got wickets with full tosses and all sorts of things.
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Nathan Lyon got drift and the one thing that you
will get at the base and reservers drift. So if
you've got a good front line spinner who can get
the ball to move in the air, then it doesn't
necessarily have to turn square. It just has to turn
enough to change the angles. So look, I mean you
look at New Zealand's record the last twelve years at home,
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spinners just haven't done the job and the record at
home for the black Caps has been exceptional, So it
would have to be really conditions where you think the
spinner has to play in order for New Zealand to
do it over here.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
So you're quite happy with the four seemers with a
couple of backup tweakers to go in there. That sits
well with you, Mike Hessen.
Speaker 8 (31:34):
Well, as I said, you look at history and you
suggest the last twelve years we've won matches without a
frontline spinner and we've got the luxury of having Phillips
and Ruts and Revender in the side anyway, So if
the ball spins towards the back end of the match,
then we can deal with that. The other problem with
having four seamers, as you overrate, as you would have seen,
New Zealand got dock points because of their slow overrate
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and not playing a spinner is going to make that challenging.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
You took the words right out of my mouth. That's
been the story. It's been interesting when you consider that
they can get ninety overs three. But it seems that
the punishment has done not enough to make players or
teams be concerned about it. Is this a genuine issue?
Do you think ICC need to come down harder with
what they do, like losing wickets, losing runs, if you
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don't come to the party with your overrate.
Speaker 8 (32:23):
Look, I don't think so. I think that it's actually
got a lot better the last four or five years.
I think the ICC have done They've come down really hard,
and I mean the worst thing they can do is
dock your points. And I mean Australia missed out on
a World Championship final because of our over eight, as
have other teams in the past as well. So there
are severe penalties. But I mean when the match finishes
before the end of the fourth day, there's obviously a
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lot of wickets, there's a lot of reviews, there's all
sorts of things that come into come into account. I
certainly don't think sides should be docked over eight in
matches that don't finish in a draw. You know, the
game is moving fast enough, the crowd of getting plenty
of entertainment. I think it can be a yeah, I
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think it can be a bit of a curse of
commentators sometimes when they just go on and on about
having to work over time. I think it's just the
reality of all of the things with DRS and the
different angles and all those sort of things that seem
to slow things down.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
I wonder a retrospective judgment more than anything that the
game finished within four days, so we're not going to
bother finding anybody. But then you go to the other
fans being taken advantage of when they're watching on TV
or watching it at the ground. Does that need to
be taken into consideration? Of course, there's the commercial consideration too,
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about how many ads get to get played and so
on and so forth. Is that worth worth a look?
Speaker 8 (33:46):
Well, I think you just don't get ads between overs
now like you're used to with paid TV, so they
get the ads in any way. So look, I just
think it's a it's a mantra that keeps getting brought
out by you know, basically for something to talk about.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
It for game slow.
Speaker 8 (34:00):
So I mean the reality is there are more results
now than ever. So the fact that you get eighties
seven over is rather than ninety in a day, but
you get pure entertainment.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
I know what I'd prefer, Mike, let's talk about the seamers.
Chris Can's on the programming. Chris seems the thing that
the long term willow rourke is going to be firebrand
and in Wellington he needs to open the bowling with
the wind at his back, and he sees maybe Soudy
doing the donkey work into the wind. How does that
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sit with you?
Speaker 8 (34:34):
Look, I think willow' rourke has good he presents the
scene well, but he also is probably a better bowler
with a slightly older ball, so I'd have a slightly
different view than that. I just think that if you've
got someone who can swing the ball up front. You know,
no issue with Soudy bowling into the wind at his base,
but you need there's generally an end where there's a
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slight cross breeze, so you know where the Matt Henry
goes down draft and Sowdy comes into it.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
You know, I'm happy either way.
Speaker 8 (35:07):
Will o'rourk obviously needs to have a bit of an
angle in so he needs to have that. But I
mean I wouldn't want the big fellow running into the
wind too much. Short sharp bursts from him, you know,
with the wind, whether it be with the new ball
or slightly older, I'm not too concerned about that.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Forget the riff's call. You make a call on eight
Sports Talk on your home of Sport News Talks.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Be for my black Cap coach, Mike Hesson. There as
they say in the TVCs. But wait, there's more. You
ne had enough cricket for this hour, certainly not. There's
another Test match starting tomorrow. It's the Pink Ball Day
Night Test Match. It's Indy you're taking on Australia. To
preview that, we're joined by Fox Sports Cricket League commentator
(35:53):
Mark Howard.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
Up next is this home co do the research?
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Nine Minister Break is now trailing album of the matches
going first quarter twenty five plays at twenty We're joined
by Mark how Now Fox Sport currect lead commentator as
we look ahead to the start of the Rose cricket
So Mark, what do you actually make of the day
Night Test matches? And welcome to the show.
Speaker 7 (36:24):
Great to speak to you mate as always, and hello
to your entire audience out there.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Yeah, the cricket part of it.
Speaker 7 (36:30):
I quite enjoy when Jimmy Andsen comes in in our
ashes at that twilight period and he's swinging the ball
around the corner. A couple of years ago, it was
one of the most exhilarating things I've ever seen. Obviously,
Australia bowled out in here for forty six in a
similar situation on the last tour. But if the Aussies
are facing Boomera, it will be incredible to watch. I
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do prefer day Test matches. I love getting there early
and having the days play and then you roll around
Adelaide and it's such It's a good venue as there
is for a Test match in Australia possibly in the world.
All the restaurants are full of people talking about cricket,
like the town is obsessed with cricket, so you lose
that social part of it.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Afterwards, I think the bowlers and say, yep, we love it.
Speaker 7 (37:10):
The bat is probably not quite so much, but it's
going to be an enthralling Test match. Obviously, after Australia
got absolutely smoked in the first Test, there is some
fortune and some skill bowling at the right time. But
if it's boomer against the Aussie top six underlights, wow,
it's going to be worth a look.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
Mark.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
How does that affect the decision at the toss? You
see it comes into it to degree. But I suppose
you don't know how long people are going to last
out in the middle when the SWAP's going to be.
But it is an issue that's something that's worked through, surely.
Speaker 7 (37:41):
Yeah, I think it becomes more in a declaration sense
if you're in control with the bat. Obviously, if you
win the toss and bat tomorrow, you don't want to
be bowling, no matter how good your advantages, because it
means you've been castled in four hours. I think it
more comes especially in the second innings. You might be
six down, leading by X number runs and you think, right, well,
we'll forego the extra forty runs we're going to get
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with the bat to have a crack with the new ball,
because it's incredible that the ball can be not doing much,
doesn't even have to be the new ball, and there's
just a period just on dusk when all of a
sudden Mitchell startle. His record is incredible with a pink ball,
it's like there's the flick of a switch and all
of a sudden the ball starts moving and talking. So
I think it is more revolved around a declaration and
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being forecasting where the game is going to go, probably
a couple of sessions ahead. So I think the Skippers
probably have to look a little bit further down the
track than they normally do when.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
It comes to team selection. How much do the Australian
selectors look at what happened first time round in Perth?
And do you think there'll be wholesale changes? Are there
a knee jerk Bunchmark? No?
Speaker 7 (38:45):
I don't think so, mate. I think you know they're
the World Test champions. A lot of this team one
to fifty over World Cup pretty much a year ago.
Obviously the top order a light more runs. The one
force change will be hazeled out with that slight side strain,
which is a concern because it's a quick turnaround to
the Brisbane Test and as you know, side issues for
bowlers they normally seem to hang round. So Scotty Bowling
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gets an opportunity. Australia won't lose anything and that Scotty's
fantastic and to be great with the pink ball.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
Their concern is Mitchell Marsh.
Speaker 7 (39:15):
There's a concern that he has a back issue to
prevent him bowling, whether he bowls or not. So I
imagine Australia pick him as a batter anyway and he
bats number six because he's been scoring as many runs,
if not more than anyone. So they just won't get
any ohs out of Mitchell Marsh. I don't think, but
you know, you know, there's new cricketers come in, Brendan Doggett,
who a lot of your audience wouldn't have heard a
(39:36):
great deal about. And then Bo Webster, who's old school.
He's been getting wickets and runs in the Sheffield Shield,
so it's good to see the Sheffield Shield still has currency.
So if Marsh wasn't able to get up all of
a sudden, your audience will be watching out a lot
of Australians watching a bloke called Bo Webster who bats
and balls. He used to offspin, that's how much of
it all around her he is. And a couple of
years ago he went to pace and he's got wickets
(39:57):
and runs in Shield cricket, so he's I think They
jokingly call him Gary Sobers because he can bowl fast,
he can bowl spin, and he can bat. So you know,
if doesn't get up, I think it'd be great to
see a debutante who's gone on a hard road to
get to this point.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
So be interesting to see what happens. But I think
Marshall be right, No Mark, How.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Would I be stoked if my nickname was Gary Sobers?
I mean, how good? What a great thing to do
with the benefit of hindsight looking back at what happened
to Australia, what they didn't do is some way you
underline what the key to maybe success is where they
have to lived.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
I think the top six needs to make runs, don't they.
Speaker 7 (40:34):
You know you're not India over. You know we arrive
in Perth, India's bowled out for one hundred and fifty.
You think, right, Australi as ahead of the game. Here,
they make three fifty, they win the Test. They lost
wickets on that first day. They lost wickets in a
hell of a hurry. So I think getting bold out
by Boomra on that first day is where the Test
really turned against them. If they were able to battle
(40:54):
that out, they would have gotten the better of the
day to pitch, so it comes down to the top
order runs. Kawaja obviously missed out, Larbashane is the one
that they're talking about. Smith missed out and McSweeney top
four Maye, I don't know what do they make less
than fifteen between them. It was the lowest top four
score for a long time in Australian Test cricket. So
Smith looked really good in the one day as I
(41:15):
expect Marnas to get runs, so hopefully they can turn
it around pretty quickly.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
But Marnus is under the pump.
Speaker 7 (41:20):
But you haven't you know, I haven't seen a man
prepare and work as hard as Marnasy in any sport,
let alone cricket that I've had the privilege of working on.
So there's no guarantees in test cricket. But I reckon
Martus will get runs and that'll help this strain top
order and set things up a little bit more at
the start.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
That's Mark Howard, don't get catch them on how he gains.
Fantastic podcast has some great guests. I think Manus Lub
you're saying this is next guest, thanks for listening to
the program. Some guys text me Michael, thanks mate, out
of touch with you. Of course, attendance is about money
in the cost of a beer or a drink or
a pie, having a piet. The footy is about as
kei we as diabetes. Come on, guys, you don't have
(41:57):
to eat and the thing here and then you got
to take your kids and they want to pie and
they want to COVID. It's not going down. They're there
to make a profit. It's not a charity, right, It's
not a charity, so don't buy it. We'll stop complaining
about it, Didna.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
Out of touch.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
It's not greedy. Thanks very much for joining me. Markes
sluts up. Next here News Talks EB Thanks Duffy.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
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