December 6, 2024 • 41 mins
D’Arcy Waldegrave returned to wrap this week's sporting news. Highlights for tonight include:
Andrew Alderson on Day 1 of the 2nd Black Caps test against England
Debbie Hockley on being inducted into the New Zealand Cricket Hall of Fame
Motorsport commentator Bob McMurray previewing the Abu Dhabi GP and reviewing the crazy F1 season
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Waldegrave
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Greetings, greetings, good evening, and welcome. My name is Darcy Waldegrave.
This is Sports Talk. It's a Friday night, December sixth,
twenty twenty four, bearing down on seven oh seven. Like
you wouldn't believe, coming up in this evening's program, surely
will take a stroll, an audio stroll. We'll wander down
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the digital lines. We'll find that Andrew Allison who's been
covering the cricket all day and find out why the
Black Cats didn't learn anything from the first Test. Nothing.
Once we have talked to him, then we can complain
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vociferously about the fact that Black Cats learned nothing from
the first although they did manage to pouch a few
catches which was uplifting. Got some thoughts on that, Love
your thoughts on that as well. Catch up with Debbie Hartley,
one of the New Zealand's great cricketers. Great New Zealander,
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he managed to make it into the first eleven, the
first eleven cricketers in New Zealand inducted into the Hall
of Fame, which she caught up with this afternoons walking
around the middle of the base reserve during the d break. Yeah,
how do we chat about that? And later on in
the piece, I am looking forward to the end of
(01:57):
the Formula one season for many, many, many reasons. I'm
sure most of the teams are looking forward to the
end of the Formula one season. They would like some sleep.
And Bob McMurray is looking forward to the end of
the Formula one season because I told him to, and
he joins us toward the end of the program. Head,
look at it's a strange old season, the way it started,
(02:18):
the way it finished. What's actually crumbling apart in Formula
one Land, And we'll tell you later on Before we
do any of that, Let's do.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
A whole lot of this today and in sport today
all cricket, isn't it like everything that I'm not going
to play constant cricket cuts because at the.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
End of the day one it'd be pointless. But other
stuff happened. Auckland FC defender Nando Pinaker thinks his team
knows what it will take to break down the Wellington
Phoenix intomorrow's derby.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
We've looked at the footage they have obviously dangerous players
that we've looked at their strengths, what they're good at,
what they're not so good at, and how we can
play really well against him to win the game.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Former All Black Harry Plummer. They have fled the coup,
but he refuses to rule out a return to the
team that lifted him up.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
I'll never play calls on any teams, especially the Blues,
and you know there would be subscrived to potentially.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
Come back to the down road if even they correct
that nicely in France.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
But I meditate the breakers broke last night versus Melbourne
and prominent big man Sam Meninger, he also broke. He
was shattered at game's end as well, a ninety seven
to seventy loss. That'd do that to you though, right.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
You know, when it's tough, you want people to lean
on and you've got to be that guy and you've
got to show positivity and you've got to show character.
I think I didn't do a great job with that tonight.
I got frustrated, for sure. So it's just figuring out
that balance.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
You showed some character, just not the best character. When
I showed my character and the silver fur and skipper
Amelia Ana Canasio is all over a refurbished international experience
for netball. The ruling body is considering a number of
changes at the top.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
I think it's over du looking to commercialize the game
and looking for commercial opportunities like that. I think it
is time for the game to grow, so who knows
where it.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Will actually learn. But I'm really glad that the conversation
is happening. I think we all are. And that's Sports Today,
ten past seven. This is Newstalk's here bees sports Talk.
My name is Darcy water Grave and this bloke's name
is Andrew Ortison. Get Andrew al how is your day?
Speaker 6 (04:37):
Greeting stars? Yere terrific?
Speaker 5 (04:39):
They hear as a basin you can hear well, it's
familiar basin.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
The sounds I the.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Siren, it's the soundtrack of the basin. And as soon
as we come on here there it was like cockwick.
I love that that war really does.
Speaker 6 (04:54):
Unless it's AI generated anyway, but yeah, it's it is.
It is very much just like this.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
The Bahuda kara that are coming out and bloom as
we speak to and seagulls floating around and it's just
I mean a wonderful day is a test cricket. Plenty
of action too, I guess, both in New Zealand's favor,
but probably more so in England's favor with that superb
bowling performance towards the end Ya with that he's in
on now eighty six for five in reply to England's
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two hundred and eighty so lots of work to do.
But on the plazitive side for New Zealand are much
improved fielding performance today and taking their chances reducing in
that way. But I think really the big difference on
the day was Harry Brook with his one hundred and
twenty three water innings that was in circumstances coming to
the work at twenty six for three.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Does the more things changed the more they stayed the same?
Harry did this to us last time out. In fact,
if I recall last time we had them pretty wobbly
at seventy odd for four, he came in and saved
the day.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
Have we hit repeat, Yeah, he's got form literally for
this sort of behavior.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
And again another just like the first test at Christis
are another terrific part the ship one hundred and seventy four,
this time for the fifth wicket with Oli Pope, whose
effort can't be forgotten either. He made sixty six, given
they were forty three for four at one point. But Brooke, jeez,
he was just and he had just been the press
conference of them Darce, and he's just saying, oh, everything
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seemed to come out of the middle of the bad
particularly the one that's cleared the ground end up going
some way down Cambridge Terrace.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
So I'm led to believe so poor old Nathan Smith.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
But Smith did get the last laugh because he was
able to run out Brook, which seems to be the
most effective mode of dismissal to get him. If you
recall from the one run follow on victory from twenty
twenty three, Brook was run out without facing a ball,
So that really is the prime mode of dismissal.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
When you look at the efforts from New Zealand, And
started off particularly well, and that ball that got rid
of Crawley was quite something else from Henry, but it
started off with a hess and a roar. Yes, you
can credit Brook with making the runs get dropped five
times or seven or how long it was, which is granted,
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But what did New Zealand do to Aiden Bet that
did they pick did they learn anything from Hagley Oval
or was it more of the same.
Speaker 6 (07:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
I just don't think they were that bad really today.
I mean Brook was an exceptional performance. I think New
Zealand were relatively tidy. I mean England they're out for
turt to eighty. I think that the real problem is
the fact that New Zealand have lost five wickets eighty
six to five.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
Willow rawks there as a night watchman.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Williamson's gone for thirty seven, albeit he applied himself pretty well.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
England just bowled superbly in Brighton cast.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
He's such a fine for England, just steaming in and
there wasn't issue there.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
At one stage he no ball.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
After bowling came Williamson with an absolute each of a
delivery that hit the top of off stump. Williamson was
gone for twenty. As he walked his way back, he'd
been a no ball decision and cars was fuming about that.
I think the next delivery was somewhere in the forty
five covering up to was one hundred and fifty. I
think Williamson probably felt the way to that. But yeah,
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eventually gone for thirty seven. Williamson and England just they
just never gave up. They were they were really relentless,
ruthless and showed their class and New Zealand a lot
of work to do to survive tomorrow, to get that
score up a bit and really sample some of the
better batting conditions at the base on days two and
three with the fine weather forecast tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
At least, so in your mind when you look at
the efforts with the bat from New Zealand, how many
of them I won't say gave their wicket away, because
nobody would do that, but how many wickets are prized
out with good cricket from England as opposed to average
cricket from New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
Just trying to think back to them at the moment,
most are pretty good England crickets from memory. I mean,
if you look at the case of well, the one
that folks to mine is is Ravender with that ball
blooning out and Cars taking a catch off Waves, just
outstanding cricket from Cars. I mean, it's it's just thinking
that the openers both nicking away I think it was,
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and it's just spend some outstanding bowling really on the
part of England to come back into it like that,
because yeah, it was that you know, they've got a
relatively low total on the board, but it didn't stop
them in any way.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Well what was Mitchell doing following that ball around getting
caught by a pipe? It was that was that it
was brilliant last time but that's an example of don't
and yeah they would good deliveries and there they.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
Say that it's probably like a frustrating one.
Speaker 7 (09:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
Indeed, so we've got I rack last two and it
just added to the complications. And one more down it
stumps and you're halfway through the innings and you've got
a rock there too.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
It's it's not a good look a rock.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
I won't say covered himself in glory, but he showed
that he's not Chris Martin with the bat last time out.
How long did you expect him to survive? Respect Chris,
consider him a friend, he's a great man.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
But really are we having a word to Chris? Yeah? Hell,
eventually they had description of New Zealand cricket. It's almost
like you're not Martin Crawle, You're not Chris Martin. There's
those two ends of the scale.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
Isn't it but Chris Martin always took it in a
pretty good humor too. But I thought, yeah, he's had
a lot of application last time, and that's probably why
he's been promoted to night watchman duties. I think just
doesn't score a lot of runs, but also was able
to block it out and was able to watch the
ball in those circumstances.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
So yeah, an elevation up the peaking water for him.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
He did bowl Well's day rall too, and I would
I mean, I just think one of the highlights of
the day too, just while while they're.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Dusk, was Nathan Smith's run out of Brook.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
I mean that was just really sharp thinking and sharp
skill level.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
Was it.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
I mean, that's you have to seize your charts with
Harry Brook, and he did and he nailed it, and
so yeah, I think finding his feet a bit more
in his second test Nathan Smith, and I know he
got Hammond I think seven point three seven runs and over,
but four Friday six, So I was able to make
a difference in places.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
There and tomorrow. It's just a case of barnacling, and
isn't it really don't go out and I suppose you
get in that defensive mode I'm sure that Tom Blundell
will be in a very defensive mode considering paucitive runs
from that young man. But if you start defending your
asking to get rolled, and Glenn Phillips at least he
doesn't do that yet.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Yeah, I think that Blundle was pretty good at compartmentalizing.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
I don't think he gets held up too much on it.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
And he is a bustling, busy, adventurous cricketer, so I
don't imagine he'll be defending too much. And Phillips likewise,
I think there'll be they'll take more of a leaf
out of the Harry Brook book.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
If you like, and that wasn't intended by the way. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
But and go from there is to try and how
they approach this to be able to get up to
because if they get stifled, if they get stymied, I
think problems will be a Footphinezie. And given that aighty
six or five, if they're not at least endeavoring with
positive intent to get ahead and to procrease.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
That another day, another dollar and I'm sure another outstanding buffet.
And by the end of the series you're going to
have to give us a complete rundown on the best,
the greatest, the worst of all of the buffets around
the free test venues. I hope you've been taking photographs
to put on your Insta account.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
I've had one of those.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Anyway, I'll be rolling into the office.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
There's just bringing in that way.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
You've had morotin checking today, fresh out of the tangine,
I'm presumed, and I was lovely.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
But the cheesecake the highlight of afternoon te does.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
I had a boiled egg and a cheese cracker? The
joy of broadcast and good on your old son things
for your time.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
When there's an egg in the house, is a meal
in the house? Does ah?
Speaker 2 (12:53):
You know it? Thank you, Andrew? I know it. I
live on the things. Is it okay to eat half
a dozen eggs a day? Is that good or bad?
Don't even get me about cholesterol. Okay, it's fine. I
don't want to know that. Is Andrew Ortison covering off
the cricket for or in z for the held of
course news talk z B as well balanced the appraisal
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of what happened out in the middle. I appreciate that
not all of us about to sit around and watch
every last ball of the cricket. It is after all,
it's a working day. People have got jobs. But from
what you've seen, what you've gathered, I feel nothing's changed
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that the ability to catch. Yes, that was up and
the Mitchell catch was quite something else, but pretty much
got the same feel of last time around, hasn't. It
got off to a cracking start, then get owned by
the middle order, whip the tail off, come out to
bat and really don't impress at all. It's just the
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same same saying, how's your faith level? Right now? This
isn't They can spend as long as they want bowling overs, right,
they bowl fifty a day and not be fine because
the game's not going to I'm not going to go
at the end of the fifth the way things have
gone because anything changed. You think this New Zealand team
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has learned a great deal. Yet they learned how to catch.
But that's okay, they already knew how to do that.
It was all of those days. I'm I'm, I'm shall
I be concernsured? You be concerned? I feel a little
gut punched as a fan. I feel it Staja vu
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all over again. And no, that's not my quote. That's
a great baseball coach wasn't it from the States anyway?
Our eight hundred and eighty to ten eighties, anything changed?
You feel like this team has learned anything from last week?
Am I being grossly unfair? I mean the Mitchell dismissal
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was average, unlucky. I suppose for Revenger, yeah, and a
couple nicked out. But when you look at it at
Latham and Conway that well, Latham is never going to
get dropped as he's a captain. Conway's struggles street though
I won't drop him. Conway will have the next Test
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to play and they'll have this next innings. But stressful
being a cricket fan. Your thoughts so eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty, it's twenty one minutes after seven. Debbie
Hickley joins us later on on the piece after I
tracked it down in the middle of the tea and
Bob McMurray, you're talking a bit of Formula one. I
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love your thoughts, though lessons learned or n O. Eight
hundred and ten eighty. This is news Talks.
Speaker 7 (15:56):
There be nickers.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
From the biggest names in sports, and have your say
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Speaker 2 (16:29):
Twenty five past seven. Sports Talk care on News Talk
has said b robing on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,
it's pretty average days cricket. Really, I don't know if
anything was was packed up. This is all very well
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for me to sit here in this comfortable chair and criticized.
I'm all out there in the middle of door. It's
the same as we've watched and it's frustrating. Well, maybe
that's a sign of how evenly matched these two teams are.
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Not because England ran away from us. It looks like
they're going to be doing this again. One of the
more interesting points of this game is a record. Now
Tim Southey owns them. Of all the sixers, now is
in the first opening bowler to be smashed for six
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in the first ballerest. How about that? What a horrible
thing to remember or be remembered for. We shan't do that.
But the slump of this team, it's hard and I
know that this is not a punitive coaching staff that
punishes people quite fast, and they will give the Batsman
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in trouble till the end of this year to prove themselves.
The thing with that is, I want com way to
score runs. I want to prove me wrong. Rub my
nose in. It looked like he was coming back into
some kind of form and he looks all at sea again.
What will happen is that short version of the game
will be playing and by the time he next played
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Test cricket, which is about twenty forty eight to start
from scratch. And that's the disappointing fact of having a
one test series. It's a three test series, which is good,
but it's only one. They're no chance to improve, no
chance to build, swop them from one format to another.
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Anything that came to you in that game that suggested
something better was on the horizon, let me know what it is.
We know you're catching. That's great. Darryl Mitchell took an
absolute corker, which made up for the horrible shot that
he got out to Why is this team so limp
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in the face of Brook? Why does Brook make the
rest of the English batsman look so average? Maybe Pope
can be forgiven with a sixty odd. I suppose there
is hope tomorrow. It's a new day dawns. But I
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can't get it out of my head that nothing's changed.
It's depressing twenty eight minutes after seven. I caught up
with Debbie Hockley today. Debbie Hackley has I keep on
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wanting to say induced, But that's what you do to
a child inducted into the New Zealand Cricketing Hall of
Fame along with ten other players of some repute. I
think it's a very cool thing from New Zealand to
do this. Subjective, of course, no doubt. But the players
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that were nominated, that were named, that stood there the
highest order. And there's another part of this that I
enjoy and we'll talk about that later on. With Debbie Harkley.
So I caught up with her of this afternoon. She
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was standing right in the middle of a basement reserve.
You know how people standing around the basement reserve with
their hands clasped behind their back, looking knowingly at the pitch.
Speaker 7 (20:40):
They know what they're looking at.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I do it too, what I'm looking at. But I
stand there thinking I'm knowledgeable to strike my chin hands
behind my back. Debbie would. She was out there when
I caught up with her today, out there in the
middle of the basin reserve. And Debbie, a beautiful place
to be, in a wonderful place to be inducted into
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New Zealand Crickets Hall of Fame.
Speaker 8 (21:07):
Oh yeah, yeah, I was looking at some of the
photos of how it came to be and you know,
just the history of it's froming magical as well. And yeah,
when you know, when you when you see where it's
situated within the city, it really is very unique. So
you know, I'm really thrilled that, you know, the museum,
the stand at the museums and was done I think
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I think.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
It was earthquake repairs.
Speaker 8 (21:31):
But when you when you come and watch the ground
and you wherever you sit, it's just it really is
a wonderful place. And I'm sure that the New Zealanders,
but especially all the England touring fans will really be
relishing the opportunity to get out in the middle field
the grass under their feet.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
And it's very apt that this is the home is
where the Hall of Fame was started. Last night. It
was a huge occasion. I expect you must be absolutely beaming,
Debbie Hotly to be announced in that that first eleven.
Speaker 8 (22:02):
Yeah, I was, so, I'm standing here right now, I've
got my camp in my hands, like you know, like
a real wally just walking around with it, but it
was like it was to be one of the eleven
people with other fabulous players of New Zealand cricket. It's
actually been quite quite emotional because just being in the
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same room as either the players or the representatives of
the players, you know, people like Bert Cyclists and John Reid,
and with two of the women who I played in
my very first New Zealand team, with Tritian mcclvey and
Jackie Laud. You know, it's been very very cool and
great to meet those other players or their representatives.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
He played Test cricket, which in this day and age,
people go, what you're kidding me? Right back in the day,
you'd love that to come back. He didn't ever played
at the Basin. Actually I don't think I played.
Speaker 8 (22:57):
No, I didn't play a Test at the Basin, But
we were just talking about so the last Test that
I played was sort of a nineteen ninety six. But
someone just asked me that qu about Test cricket and
I was saying, you know, when I first played Test cricket,
we were only playing three day matches, so which is
kind of a waste of time.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
Perfect to be perfectly honest.
Speaker 8 (23:17):
So I think that if you're going to you know,
if you're going to play tests, they need to you know,
they need to be sort of treated with the respect
that they deserve. So so, and I was also saying,
while I was lucky, like I played about nineteen tests,
I think, but I didn't get the opportunity at all
to play in tea twenties. So you know, look, you
win some and you well, you don't lose them, But
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it just depends on what's being played at the time
that you play yourself.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Nineteen tests on three hundred and one runs at fifty
two point oh four. You'd take that, wouldn't you. If
you look back at your career and you are now
in the Hall of Fame, what do you think you'd
most like to be remembered for? As far as your
contribution to cricket over the years, I mean, first woman
president anywhere of a national cricket association, There's that, There's
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your holing, your caps, There's a whole lot of stuff.
What stands out for you?
Speaker 8 (24:11):
Do you know what stands out for me? Most I
have to say is probably the fact that I tried
to be quite consistent, but also that I was the
captain of the side for two of our Rose Bowl
wins over Australia nineteen eighty seven and then I think
maybe in nineteen ninety nine or nineteen ninety eight or
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something like that. And to be honest, that's probably what
I'm most proud of, Darcy, because it's having series wins
over Australia is seriously difficult to do, and to be
involved with two out of the three Rose Bowls wins
that we've had in our history, that's probably the thing
I'm most proud of, to be honest.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Some amazing names, plainly, and some of them very predictable
on the likes of Sir Richard Hadley and Glenn Turner.
They put them down first on the list. But when
you look across the eleven, I think it's fantastic that
women's cricket, because it is cricket, has been I mean,
you mentioned Tristan mcelvey, you mentioned Jackie Lord and of
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course he's Emily Drummond there as well. It's really important,
isn't it. Looking forward in New Zealand cricket.
Speaker 8 (25:16):
Oh well, I think that, you know, like I love
New Zealand cricket because I think that they have been
very inclusive, and I think that it's a fear reflection
like having four females and seven males in this initial
first eleven is reflective of the you know, the length
of time that cricket's been played by both sexes, and
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so I think that I think proportionality is great and
going forward there will be more people added to the
Hall of Fame. But you know, I have an enormous
amount of respect for New Zealand cricket for their inclusive
inclusivity and I think that the the the people who
have been in the Hall of Fame this time, I
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think it's a really good refreshed reflection of cricket over
the last however many years.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Suckcliffe read Lord mclvy, term Hadley, Hockley, Crow drum, Vittory
and McCallum. Now d is a first to leave in
on that. Congratulations and thanks very much for joining us
to me to go back to the cricket Debbie Hackley.
Speaker 8 (26:17):
Thanks very much for the opportunity, Darcy. It's been a
it's been a real thrill, so thank thanks for you know,
just just broadcasting about it.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
It's been great.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
The right call is your call on eighty eighty Sports
Talk call on your home of sports used talk Ziby.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Got to be it was Debi hockey. By the way,
you've got to be retired five years before they consider
you for the Cricket Hall of Fame with those names
out for you before I'm interested to see who's going
to be next, who actually deserves a place. Have you
been retired from top level cricket? Oh, from top level cricket.
I think I threw my last set of toys in
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my late twenties, maybe twenty seven, twenty eight. Oh okay,
so not that long ago then, all right? Yeah, yeah, no,
now four million years old that There was actually my
nickname in the teen Boone. We had a team called
teen boone and the team Boone is still playing, still
wearing the beige. I might add. This is in the
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christ Church region and we all had nicknames. There was
one guy called No Ball for the reason that he
constantly bowled nobles and even in practice he bowled no balls,
and I didn't matter how many times I told him,
you know, he practiced, that you're going to do it,
and then I won't what you do.
Speaker 7 (27:33):
There was.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Toys Boonie because he was always throwing his toys out
of the cot. Guess who that was. Yeah, I've had
prouder times, to be fair. In fact, they bought me
my own little set of plastic, colorful rattles to put
in my kit bag so I could get them out
at any stage in the game and throw them about
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the place. Complaining about whatever it was is complain No
hall of fame to me, But most of us don't
play cricket for that. Cricket because it's fun, right, cricket
because we enjoy it. And Dbi Hockley, first woman president
of a national cricket organization globally fantastic. Leslie Murtks taken
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over that role and as she said, it's super cool
that New Zealand Cricket have chosen to reflect on the
relevance of the women in the game as well. Not
sweet that under the rug And as Deevie pointed out,
they've always been very very keen on doing that, on
accelerating the women's game, and now they're the World twenty champions,
(28:49):
thank you very much. After a pretty dodgy year, but
they got there in the long run. Good on then,
who's next in the all of fame? Any ideas anyone
stand out to you. I was thinking a couple of
names of guys that have played particularly I say guys
have played particularly well, but they've got a bit of
scam surrounding them, so maybe they don't won't get there either,
(29:14):
any ideas maybe Right up there and at Islam we
talk with Brendan McCallum with his three hundred and Dan Vittorian.
Would you get Mark Richardson in the Hall of Fun?
Sorry for listening record, I'm just having some fun. It
is seven thirty eight coming up next, we'll look forward
(29:34):
to Formula one. It's the final round of a very long,
arduous season. Didn't start with a hess and a roar,
but by Kriky, the last few months have been quite
something else. Bob McMurray looks over the season. Next here
News Talks. That is very good at evening to Bob Murray.
Speaker 7 (30:07):
Okay, Darcy, how are you going very well?
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Very much looking forward to the end of the Formula
one season. Look, Bob, it started off with a sense
of predictability about it. Red Bull women, the championship makes
me staff and will drive off with the championship and
that's your season. Oh my, oh my, that change. It's
actually been an explosive end, isn't it.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
Bob, Yeah, exactly how things change when they stay the same.
You know, you still got Red Bull up there, and
you've still got all the the teams up there, but
it's changing all the time. It's quite amazing. I honestly feel,
Darcy that the season has gone on too long for
all these people. They've all been jammed together, especially after
two sets of three races back to back. They're all
(30:53):
bickering and moaning and complaining. Formula one needs to take
a couple of months holiday, I think, and just get
it all out of their veins and just get back
to basics of thinking about. This is a motorspoard thing,
not a soap opera, not a very good soap opera either,
And just I don't know, calm the farm, as they
(31:14):
used to say, cool the rockets. But we still got
one big thing to go through, and that is who's
going to end up Constructors Champion. And that's really what
you've got to focus on tonight, not all the bull
that's going on around things with I don't know Max
versus George Russell.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
And against himself.
Speaker 7 (31:34):
Exactly the President, I don't know what the President's against,
because it's everything that's going Toddo, wolf calling Horner a
yapping little dog and all sorts of stuff is getting stupid,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I don't think you're right though, about the fatigue that
has hit the entire circus. When you look at the
not only the amount of races, but the timing of
the racers back on back, on back a couple three
times during the season.
Speaker 7 (32:02):
This is not healthy, no, And when you think that
the back to backs have been continent to continent in
some places, you know, they were racing in Vegas and
all of a sudden they're shipped across the ocean to
the middle of Arabia Land. I mean it's it's yeah.
It is a not non ecological to do all that
(32:23):
sort of stuff. It is terribly wearing on the teams.
Many of the teams, of course, have had to initiate
some form of shift work for the mechanics, but many
of the mechanics are the same ones each race as well,
So yeah, it is terribly wearing. You know, Formula one
is noticeable for the high divorce rates or separation rates
(32:44):
between young mechanics and girlfriends and wives and young families
and that ain't going to help any I feel really,
I honestly feel sorry for a lot of those guys
because they work very hard. I mean, you know, these
days they're not allowed to work overnight and all sorts
of things, so.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
It's much easier than in the old days.
Speaker 7 (33:02):
But nonetheless it is a grueling, grueling schedule.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
So the race weekend it'll all be done and dusted
at the in sadly it's in a car park, would
so be it? And I note as well also that
the fun and games in Holand are going to end
in a couple of years. Zan bought on a few tracks.
It's actually worth watching go figure. But anyway, it finishes
this week in the big fight as you as you
mentioned the constructors Championship, With there any clue where this
(33:27):
may go.
Speaker 7 (33:29):
Three races, I would have said, yes, easily, it's going
to go McLaren's way because Ferrari are not necessarily the
fastest car. But after the debacle that was the final
the last race when Landa Norris was pinged for rightfully
so going through yellow flags, well I'm saying rightfully, so
you know, I think the actual punishment was way too
(33:51):
much way over the top. But nonetheless it's been done.
So now not only has the gap closed up this
race of this weekend lass is kind of tends to
favor Ferrari, so okay, they are they have to find
McLaren twenty one points ahead basically, so Ferrari have to
(34:11):
find quite a lot of points. But that is easy
to do when you come first and second and your
competitors do not come third and fourth. And that's what
McLaren have to guard against the fact that they are
right up there in the first four cars. They have
to be, both of their cars have to be in
the first four cars to win that championship. Essentially, if
that happens, fine, then they've done it. But Ferrari are
(34:34):
they are not outsiders in this Twenty one points can
disappear very very quickly when you're chasing championships and nerves
are on edge, and not necessarily the fastest car allays wins.
So it's going to be enthralling to see how they
manage it. And of course, first practice tonight and I
think ten thirty our time is going to give a
very good clue as to what might transpire over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Look, I had to say this because it sounds terrible,
But who actually can deal with the pressure with the
white they're on their shoulders because historically Ferrari aren't very
good at doing.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
That, are they No.
Speaker 7 (35:09):
Out of the four drivers, let's say the Science at
Ferrari and Lando Norris and Piastree. Out of those four drivers,
you know, the one I think can deal with it
best is color of Science because Color Science doesn't have
anything to lose. He is not driving for Ferrari next year.
He wants to win. He is very level headed when
(35:30):
he's in a very very good car. I think he
is the most level headed one of those four. Okay,
makes mistakes now and again, but they all do. Leclaire
tends to crack under pressure now and again. Orlando Norris,
we've seen that happen. And sometimes you get Pastre who
is as cool as a cucumber. Sometimes he just ain't
fast enough, but rarely does he get outsiched. So this
(35:54):
really is going to be a battle of four mentalities.
You could say racing there, because let's treat the cars
more or less equal. The difference in first or force
is probably going to be less than the tenth of
a second. So it's going to be the it's going
to be the one. The guy that's going to be
in pole position is the one that handles the pressure
and handles his car best on that circuit. Now, obviously
(36:16):
that's with the engineer and the team and all sorts
of things, but basically there's only one guy that's steering
the steering the thing around the circuit, and he's got
to perform.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
He got their two jokers in the pack. I'd say
one of them is Max Forstappan, who he's not superb
in the last few races, really has He's stood up,
which is great, so he'll throw a spanner in the
works by wanting to win. And he got Sergio Pirif
who still for some reason thinks he might have a
drive next year. Do you think finally he might actually
pull finger and do something.
Speaker 7 (36:46):
It's about time and it would be a revelation if
he did. I mean, you know, he hasn't exactly been
mister reliable on track? Has he Max? Withstappan for a start? Yeah,
you could. You could say that he is. You don't
forget the Ferrari McLaren battle. You could say that Max
is quite likely to as you say, be a spanner
in the works of both of those teams by going
out winning the thing, which means the points gets a
(37:09):
little bit mixed up. But then so, yeah, that could
have happened easily. Sergio prayers. Is he staying? Is he going?
I don't know. I've read all week that it's up
to him. He's got to go, He's got to go,
but it's up to him. He makes the decision. Apparently
he said about fourteen hours ago I read that he
is not going anywhere. He's staying next year, that's it.
(37:30):
Then I read seven hours ago he's had second thoughts
and he may well retire on his terms. I don't know.
And whatever happens to him very very much impacts Liam Lawson,
and if Sergio pres decided to have a really good race,
then it's going to impact those Ferrari and McLaren drivers
as well. The one thing about sport, Darcy is you
(37:51):
don't know what's going to happen, and the one thing
about motorsport generally is you don't always know what's going
to happen, and that is the fascinating thing about it.
We don't know what's going to happen, and.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
That's why I'll be watching and looking forward to wind
this chat up because playingly there's a lot more New
Zealand now who have engaged themselves in Formula One with
Liam Lawson and has rise and Rise. This will be
his sixth race of a dash to try and see
if he can get that top spot or even a
seat in Formula One. What he has to do this
(38:21):
weekend and what he's done in the last five weeks,
how does that come to a head?
Speaker 7 (38:26):
In your eyes, he's got to do better than he's
done in the last couple of weeks. That's the first thing.
He didn't have a spectacular weekend in either the last
two Grand Prix. Qualifying not so bad, but then it
all sort of fell away. He's going to Actually, the
first thing is you've got to beat your teammate. I've
said this all along. He has to impress the RB
(38:48):
team and the Red Bull management, especially that he is
faster than Sunoda, no doubt. End of story cuts Sunoda
out of the story. So that's the first thing he's
got to do. He's just got to have a very
good weekend because the future is not in his hands
apart from his performance on track. Now, I know the
RB team have made some absolute nightmare decisions, absolute nightmare
(39:11):
setups on the car. They have not given either of
those drivers the best car consistently, which is staggering sometimes
putting him on hard tires. Anyway, I won't go through it,
but they have made some fairly big old mares when
they're trying to work out the strategy. I hope that
doesn't happen to him. All he needs is a clean race,
a good race, a good competitive race, and you know,
(39:36):
get in the points and get more points than Sonoda.
That would be superb. If he was the joker in
the pack in the first four, mate, I'd be over
the moon.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Of course, tim orders and instructions don't help me either,
the way he's been treated with the red bulls and
the racing bulls. There again is another story. You see,
get through the race finish, take a clean car over
the line, he won't be doing a color pinto And
I found out something quite amusing over this weekend. You
Pierre Ghastly has cost his team no money at all.
(40:09):
He brings his car home clean every time. How good's
that exactly?
Speaker 7 (40:12):
And he's the only driver on the grid who have
done that, not a single penny in crash damage much
if he's born the few tires out when he's racing,
but not a single penny in crash damage the whole season.
That is remarkable. If he gets through this weekend, I
think it's got to be a world record, and no
wonder they're keeping him and getting rid of Ocon so
(40:33):
bit of a shame of hock on. But nonetheless, yeah,
Peter gasley Is, I think he's going to do better
and better next year. But like you, Darcy, like many Kiwis,
I've a lot of focus going on to Liam Lawson
this weekend and I can only hope that the abysmal way,
absolutely just disgusting way he's been treated by the Red
(40:54):
Bull management over the last one two, three years or
whatever just changes and he gets a good ride.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Bob, enjoy the week, I know you will as much
as I will, and then enjoy the rest before it
all starts again in Australia next to you. Thanks for
your time, mate, Just thank you, bar but sessiments two
eight that race thirty on Monday morning, take the day
off school and work. This is news talks, it'd be okay.
Speaker 6 (41:29):
So I got it wrong again.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
It was a replay Murray, go to school, go to work.
Speaker 6 (41:33):
The race is on at two.
Speaker 7 (41:34):
In the morning.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
What about I saying, I said, why is it on?
Speaker 7 (41:37):
That?
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Can't be on that?
Speaker 2 (41:38):
No, we're oh, what's looked it up? I mean you
cannot go to school or work and just watch the
replay at seven on a Monday. Just get up in
the middle of the night and watch it and it's
middle such thanks for pushing out the program of Darcy
Watergrave Good Evening.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Greetings, greetings, good evening, and welcome. My name is Darcy Waldegrave.
This is Sports Talk. It's a Friday night, December sixth,
twenty twenty four, bearing down on seven oh seven. Like
you wouldn't believe, coming up in this evening's program, surely
will take a stroll, an audio stroll. We'll wander down
(00:55):
the digital lines. We'll find that Andrew Allison who's been
covering the cricket all day and find out why the
Black Cats didn't learn anything from the first Test. Nothing.
Once we have talked to him, then we can complain
(01:16):
vociferously about the fact that Black Cats learned nothing from
the first although they did manage to pouch a few
catches which was uplifting. Got some thoughts on that, Love
your thoughts on that as well. Catch up with Debbie Hartley,
one of the New Zealand's great cricketers. Great New Zealander,
(01:37):
he managed to make it into the first eleven, the
first eleven cricketers in New Zealand inducted into the Hall
of Fame, which she caught up with this afternoons walking
around the middle of the base reserve during the d break. Yeah,
how do we chat about that? And later on in
the piece, I am looking forward to the end of
(01:57):
the Formula one season for many, many, many reasons. I'm
sure most of the teams are looking forward to the
end of the Formula one season. They would like some sleep.
And Bob McMurray is looking forward to the end of
the Formula one season because I told him to, and
he joins us toward the end of the program. Head,
look at it's a strange old season, the way it started,
(02:18):
the way it finished. What's actually crumbling apart in Formula
one Land, And we'll tell you later on Before we
do any of that, Let's do.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
A whole lot of this today and in sport today
all cricket, isn't it like everything that I'm not going
to play constant cricket cuts because at the.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
End of the day one it'd be pointless. But other
stuff happened. Auckland FC defender Nando Pinaker thinks his team
knows what it will take to break down the Wellington
Phoenix intomorrow's derby.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
We've looked at the footage they have obviously dangerous players
that we've looked at their strengths, what they're good at,
what they're not so good at, and how we can
play really well against him to win the game.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Former All Black Harry Plummer. They have fled the coup,
but he refuses to rule out a return to the
team that lifted him up.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
I'll never play calls on any teams, especially the Blues,
and you know there would be subscrived to potentially.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
Come back to the down road if even they correct
that nicely in France.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
But I meditate the breakers broke last night versus Melbourne
and prominent big man Sam Meninger, he also broke. He
was shattered at game's end as well, a ninety seven
to seventy loss. That'd do that to you though, right.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
You know, when it's tough, you want people to lean
on and you've got to be that guy and you've
got to show positivity and you've got to show character.
I think I didn't do a great job with that tonight.
I got frustrated, for sure. So it's just figuring out
that balance.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
You showed some character, just not the best character. When
I showed my character and the silver fur and skipper
Amelia Ana Canasio is all over a refurbished international experience
for netball. The ruling body is considering a number of
changes at the top.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
I think it's over du looking to commercialize the game
and looking for commercial opportunities like that. I think it
is time for the game to grow, so who knows
where it.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Will actually learn. But I'm really glad that the conversation
is happening. I think we all are. And that's Sports Today,
ten past seven. This is Newstalk's here bees sports Talk.
My name is Darcy water Grave and this bloke's name
is Andrew Ortison. Get Andrew al how is your day?
Speaker 6 (04:37):
Greeting stars? Yere terrific?
Speaker 5 (04:39):
They hear as a basin you can hear well, it's
familiar basin.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
The sounds I the.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Siren, it's the soundtrack of the basin. And as soon
as we come on here there it was like cockwick.
I love that that war really does.
Speaker 6 (04:54):
Unless it's AI generated anyway, but yeah, it's it is.
It is very much just like this.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
The Bahuda kara that are coming out and bloom as
we speak to and seagulls floating around and it's just
I mean a wonderful day is a test cricket. Plenty
of action too, I guess, both in New Zealand's favor,
but probably more so in England's favor with that superb
bowling performance towards the end Ya with that he's in
on now eighty six for five in reply to England's
(05:22):
two hundred and eighty so lots of work to do.
But on the plazitive side for New Zealand are much
improved fielding performance today and taking their chances reducing in
that way. But I think really the big difference on
the day was Harry Brook with his one hundred and
twenty three water innings that was in circumstances coming to
the work at twenty six for three.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Does the more things changed the more they stayed the same?
Harry did this to us last time out. In fact,
if I recall last time we had them pretty wobbly
at seventy odd for four, he came in and saved
the day.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
Have we hit repeat, Yeah, he's got form literally for
this sort of behavior.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
And again another just like the first test at Christis
are another terrific part the ship one hundred and seventy four,
this time for the fifth wicket with Oli Pope, whose
effort can't be forgotten either. He made sixty six, given
they were forty three for four at one point. But Brooke, jeez,
he was just and he had just been the press
conference of them Darce, and he's just saying, oh, everything
(06:22):
seemed to come out of the middle of the bad
particularly the one that's cleared the ground end up going
some way down Cambridge Terrace.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
So I'm led to believe so poor old Nathan Smith.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
But Smith did get the last laugh because he was
able to run out Brook, which seems to be the
most effective mode of dismissal to get him. If you
recall from the one run follow on victory from twenty
twenty three, Brook was run out without facing a ball,
So that really is the prime mode of dismissal.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
When you look at the efforts from New Zealand, And
started off particularly well, and that ball that got rid
of Crawley was quite something else from Henry, but it
started off with a hess and a roar. Yes, you
can credit Brook with making the runs get dropped five
times or seven or how long it was, which is granted,
(07:10):
But what did New Zealand do to Aiden Bet that
did they pick did they learn anything from Hagley Oval
or was it more of the same.
Speaker 6 (07:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
I just don't think they were that bad really today.
I mean Brook was an exceptional performance. I think New
Zealand were relatively tidy. I mean England they're out for
turt to eighty. I think that the real problem is
the fact that New Zealand have lost five wickets eighty
six to five.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
Willow rawks there as a night watchman.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Williamson's gone for thirty seven, albeit he applied himself pretty well.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
England just bowled superbly in Brighton cast.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
He's such a fine for England, just steaming in and
there wasn't issue there.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
At one stage he no ball.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
After bowling came Williamson with an absolute each of a
delivery that hit the top of off stump. Williamson was
gone for twenty. As he walked his way back, he'd
been a no ball decision and cars was fuming about that.
I think the next delivery was somewhere in the forty
five covering up to was one hundred and fifty. I
think Williamson probably felt the way to that. But yeah,
(08:12):
eventually gone for thirty seven. Williamson and England just they
just never gave up. They were they were really relentless,
ruthless and showed their class and New Zealand a lot
of work to do to survive tomorrow, to get that
score up a bit and really sample some of the
better batting conditions at the base on days two and
three with the fine weather forecast tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
At least, so in your mind when you look at
the efforts with the bat from New Zealand, how many
of them I won't say gave their wicket away, because
nobody would do that, but how many wickets are prized
out with good cricket from England as opposed to average
cricket from New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
Just trying to think back to them at the moment,
most are pretty good England crickets from memory. I mean,
if you look at the case of well, the one
that folks to mine is is Ravender with that ball
blooning out and Cars taking a catch off Waves, just
outstanding cricket from Cars. I mean, it's it's just thinking
that the openers both nicking away I think it was,
(09:15):
and it's just spend some outstanding bowling really on the
part of England to come back into it like that,
because yeah, it was that you know, they've got a
relatively low total on the board, but it didn't stop
them in any way.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Well what was Mitchell doing following that ball around getting
caught by a pipe? It was that was that it
was brilliant last time but that's an example of don't
and yeah they would good deliveries and there they.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
Say that it's probably like a frustrating one.
Speaker 7 (09:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
Indeed, so we've got I rack last two and it
just added to the complications. And one more down it
stumps and you're halfway through the innings and you've got
a rock there too.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
It's it's not a good look a rock.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
I won't say covered himself in glory, but he showed
that he's not Chris Martin with the bat last time out.
How long did you expect him to survive? Respect Chris,
consider him a friend, he's a great man.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
But really are we having a word to Chris? Yeah? Hell,
eventually they had description of New Zealand cricket. It's almost
like you're not Martin Crawle, You're not Chris Martin. There's
those two ends of the scale.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
Isn't it but Chris Martin always took it in a
pretty good humor too. But I thought, yeah, he's had
a lot of application last time, and that's probably why
he's been promoted to night watchman duties. I think just
doesn't score a lot of runs, but also was able
to block it out and was able to watch the
ball in those circumstances.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
So yeah, an elevation up the peaking water for him.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
He did bowl Well's day rall too, and I would
I mean, I just think one of the highlights of
the day too, just while while they're.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Dusk, was Nathan Smith's run out of Brook.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
I mean that was just really sharp thinking and sharp
skill level.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
Was it.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
I mean, that's you have to seize your charts with
Harry Brook, and he did and he nailed it, and
so yeah, I think finding his feet a bit more
in his second test Nathan Smith, and I know he
got Hammond I think seven point three seven runs and over,
but four Friday six, So I was able to make
a difference in places.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
There and tomorrow. It's just a case of barnacling, and
isn't it really don't go out and I suppose you
get in that defensive mode I'm sure that Tom Blundell
will be in a very defensive mode considering paucitive runs
from that young man. But if you start defending your
asking to get rolled, and Glenn Phillips at least he
doesn't do that yet.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Yeah, I think that Blundle was pretty good at compartmentalizing.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
I don't think he gets held up too much on it.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
And he is a bustling, busy, adventurous cricketer, so I
don't imagine he'll be defending too much. And Phillips likewise,
I think there'll be they'll take more of a leaf
out of the Harry Brook book.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
If you like, and that wasn't intended by the way. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
But and go from there is to try and how
they approach this to be able to get up to
because if they get stifled, if they get stymied, I
think problems will be a Footphinezie. And given that aighty
six or five, if they're not at least endeavoring with
positive intent to get ahead and to procrease.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
That another day, another dollar and I'm sure another outstanding buffet.
And by the end of the series you're going to
have to give us a complete rundown on the best,
the greatest, the worst of all of the buffets around
the free test venues. I hope you've been taking photographs
to put on your Insta account.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
I've had one of those.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Anyway, I'll be rolling into the office.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
There's just bringing in that way.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
You've had morotin checking today, fresh out of the tangine,
I'm presumed, and I was lovely.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
But the cheesecake the highlight of afternoon te does.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
I had a boiled egg and a cheese cracker? The
joy of broadcast and good on your old son things
for your time.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
When there's an egg in the house, is a meal
in the house? Does ah?
Speaker 2 (12:53):
You know it? Thank you, Andrew? I know it. I
live on the things. Is it okay to eat half
a dozen eggs a day? Is that good or bad?
Don't even get me about cholesterol. Okay, it's fine. I
don't want to know that. Is Andrew Ortison covering off
the cricket for or in z for the held of
course news talk z B as well balanced the appraisal
(13:13):
of what happened out in the middle. I appreciate that
not all of us about to sit around and watch
every last ball of the cricket. It is after all,
it's a working day. People have got jobs. But from
what you've seen, what you've gathered, I feel nothing's changed
(13:37):
that the ability to catch. Yes, that was up and
the Mitchell catch was quite something else, but pretty much
got the same feel of last time around, hasn't. It
got off to a cracking start, then get owned by
the middle order, whip the tail off, come out to
bat and really don't impress at all. It's just the
(13:59):
same same saying, how's your faith level? Right now? This
isn't They can spend as long as they want bowling overs, right,
they bowl fifty a day and not be fine because
the game's not going to I'm not going to go
at the end of the fifth the way things have
gone because anything changed. You think this New Zealand team
(14:23):
has learned a great deal. Yet they learned how to catch.
But that's okay, they already knew how to do that.
It was all of those days. I'm I'm, I'm shall
I be concernsured? You be concerned? I feel a little
gut punched as a fan. I feel it Staja vu
(14:47):
all over again. And no, that's not my quote. That's
a great baseball coach wasn't it from the States anyway?
Our eight hundred and eighty to ten eighties, anything changed?
You feel like this team has learned anything from last week?
Am I being grossly unfair? I mean the Mitchell dismissal
(15:08):
was average, unlucky. I suppose for Revenger, yeah, and a
couple nicked out. But when you look at it at
Latham and Conway that well, Latham is never going to
get dropped as he's a captain. Conway's struggles street though
I won't drop him. Conway will have the next Test
(15:28):
to play and they'll have this next innings. But stressful
being a cricket fan. Your thoughts so eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty, it's twenty one minutes after seven. Debbie
Hickley joins us later on on the piece after I
tracked it down in the middle of the tea and
Bob McMurray, you're talking a bit of Formula one. I
(15:50):
love your thoughts, though lessons learned or n O. Eight
hundred and ten eighty. This is news Talks.
Speaker 7 (15:56):
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Speaker 2 (16:29):
Twenty five past seven. Sports Talk care on News Talk
has said b robing on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,
it's pretty average days cricket. Really, I don't know if
anything was was packed up. This is all very well
(16:50):
for me to sit here in this comfortable chair and criticized.
I'm all out there in the middle of door. It's
the same as we've watched and it's frustrating. Well, maybe
that's a sign of how evenly matched these two teams are.
(17:13):
Not because England ran away from us. It looks like
they're going to be doing this again. One of the
more interesting points of this game is a record. Now
Tim Southey owns them. Of all the sixers, now is
in the first opening bowler to be smashed for six
(17:34):
in the first ballerest. How about that? What a horrible
thing to remember or be remembered for. We shan't do that.
But the slump of this team, it's hard and I
know that this is not a punitive coaching staff that
punishes people quite fast, and they will give the Batsman
(17:57):
in trouble till the end of this year to prove themselves.
The thing with that is, I want com way to
score runs. I want to prove me wrong. Rub my
nose in. It looked like he was coming back into
some kind of form and he looks all at sea again.
What will happen is that short version of the game
will be playing and by the time he next played
(18:18):
Test cricket, which is about twenty forty eight to start
from scratch. And that's the disappointing fact of having a
one test series. It's a three test series, which is good,
but it's only one. They're no chance to improve, no
chance to build, swop them from one format to another.
(18:45):
Anything that came to you in that game that suggested
something better was on the horizon, let me know what it is.
We know you're catching. That's great. Darryl Mitchell took an
absolute corker, which made up for the horrible shot that
he got out to Why is this team so limp
(19:09):
in the face of Brook? Why does Brook make the
rest of the English batsman look so average? Maybe Pope
can be forgiven with a sixty odd. I suppose there
is hope tomorrow. It's a new day dawns. But I
(19:30):
can't get it out of my head that nothing's changed.
It's depressing twenty eight minutes after seven. I caught up
with Debbie Hockley today. Debbie Hackley has I keep on
(19:51):
wanting to say induced, But that's what you do to
a child inducted into the New Zealand Cricketing Hall of
Fame along with ten other players of some repute. I
think it's a very cool thing from New Zealand to
do this. Subjective, of course, no doubt. But the players
(20:11):
that were nominated, that were named, that stood there the
highest order. And there's another part of this that I
enjoy and we'll talk about that later on. With Debbie Harkley.
So I caught up with her of this afternoon. She
(20:31):
was standing right in the middle of a basement reserve.
You know how people standing around the basement reserve with
their hands clasped behind their back, looking knowingly at the pitch.
Speaker 7 (20:40):
They know what they're looking at.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I do it too, what I'm looking at. But I
stand there thinking I'm knowledgeable to strike my chin hands
behind my back. Debbie would. She was out there when
I caught up with her today, out there in the
middle of the basin reserve. And Debbie, a beautiful place
to be, in a wonderful place to be inducted into
(21:04):
New Zealand Crickets Hall of Fame.
Speaker 8 (21:07):
Oh yeah, yeah, I was looking at some of the
photos of how it came to be and you know,
just the history of it's froming magical as well. And yeah,
when you know, when you when you see where it's
situated within the city, it really is very unique. So
you know, I'm really thrilled that, you know, the museum,
the stand at the museums and was done I think
(21:30):
I think.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
It was earthquake repairs.
Speaker 8 (21:31):
But when you when you come and watch the ground
and you wherever you sit, it's just it really is
a wonderful place. And I'm sure that the New Zealanders,
but especially all the England touring fans will really be
relishing the opportunity to get out in the middle field
the grass under their feet.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
And it's very apt that this is the home is
where the Hall of Fame was started. Last night. It
was a huge occasion. I expect you must be absolutely beaming,
Debbie Hotly to be announced in that that first eleven.
Speaker 8 (22:02):
Yeah, I was, so, I'm standing here right now, I've
got my camp in my hands, like you know, like
a real wally just walking around with it, but it
was like it was to be one of the eleven
people with other fabulous players of New Zealand cricket. It's
actually been quite quite emotional because just being in the
(22:23):
same room as either the players or the representatives of
the players, you know, people like Bert Cyclists and John Reid,
and with two of the women who I played in
my very first New Zealand team, with Tritian mcclvey and
Jackie Laud. You know, it's been very very cool and
great to meet those other players or their representatives.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
He played Test cricket, which in this day and age,
people go, what you're kidding me? Right back in the day,
you'd love that to come back. He didn't ever played
at the Basin. Actually I don't think I played.
Speaker 8 (22:57):
No, I didn't play a Test at the Basin, But
we were just talking about so the last Test that
I played was sort of a nineteen ninety six. But
someone just asked me that qu about Test cricket and
I was saying, you know, when I first played Test cricket,
we were only playing three day matches, so which is
kind of a waste of time.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
Perfect to be perfectly honest.
Speaker 8 (23:17):
So I think that if you're going to you know,
if you're going to play tests, they need to you know,
they need to be sort of treated with the respect
that they deserve. So so, and I was also saying,
while I was lucky, like I played about nineteen tests,
I think, but I didn't get the opportunity at all
to play in tea twenties. So you know, look, you
win some and you well, you don't lose them, But
(23:37):
it just depends on what's being played at the time
that you play yourself.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Nineteen tests on three hundred and one runs at fifty
two point oh four. You'd take that, wouldn't you. If
you look back at your career and you are now
in the Hall of Fame, what do you think you'd
most like to be remembered for? As far as your
contribution to cricket over the years, I mean, first woman
president anywhere of a national cricket association, There's that, There's
(24:06):
your holing, your caps, There's a whole lot of stuff.
What stands out for you?
Speaker 8 (24:11):
Do you know what stands out for me? Most I
have to say is probably the fact that I tried
to be quite consistent, but also that I was the
captain of the side for two of our Rose Bowl
wins over Australia nineteen eighty seven and then I think
maybe in nineteen ninety nine or nineteen ninety eight or
(24:32):
something like that. And to be honest, that's probably what
I'm most proud of, Darcy, because it's having series wins
over Australia is seriously difficult to do, and to be
involved with two out of the three Rose Bowls wins
that we've had in our history, that's probably the thing
I'm most proud of, to be honest.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Some amazing names, plainly, and some of them very predictable
on the likes of Sir Richard Hadley and Glenn Turner.
They put them down first on the list. But when
you look across the eleven, I think it's fantastic that
women's cricket, because it is cricket, has been I mean,
you mentioned Tristan mcelvey, you mentioned Jackie Lord and of
(25:10):
course he's Emily Drummond there as well. It's really important,
isn't it. Looking forward in New Zealand cricket.
Speaker 8 (25:16):
Oh well, I think that, you know, like I love
New Zealand cricket because I think that they have been
very inclusive, and I think that it's a fear reflection
like having four females and seven males in this initial
first eleven is reflective of the you know, the length
of time that cricket's been played by both sexes, and
(25:36):
so I think that I think proportionality is great and
going forward there will be more people added to the
Hall of Fame. But you know, I have an enormous
amount of respect for New Zealand cricket for their inclusive
inclusivity and I think that the the the people who
have been in the Hall of Fame this time, I
(25:57):
think it's a really good refreshed reflection of cricket over
the last however many years.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Suckcliffe read Lord mclvy, term Hadley, Hockley, Crow drum, Vittory
and McCallum. Now d is a first to leave in
on that. Congratulations and thanks very much for joining us
to me to go back to the cricket Debbie Hackley.
Speaker 8 (26:17):
Thanks very much for the opportunity, Darcy. It's been a
it's been a real thrill, so thank thanks for you know,
just just broadcasting about it.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
It's been great.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
The right call is your call on eighty eighty Sports
Talk call on your home of sports used talk Ziby.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Got to be it was Debi hockey. By the way,
you've got to be retired five years before they consider
you for the Cricket Hall of Fame with those names
out for you before I'm interested to see who's going
to be next, who actually deserves a place. Have you
been retired from top level cricket? Oh, from top level cricket.
I think I threw my last set of toys in
(26:56):
my late twenties, maybe twenty seven, twenty eight. Oh okay,
so not that long ago then, all right? Yeah, yeah, no,
now four million years old that There was actually my
nickname in the teen Boone. We had a team called
teen boone and the team Boone is still playing, still
wearing the beige. I might add. This is in the
(27:17):
christ Church region and we all had nicknames. There was
one guy called No Ball for the reason that he
constantly bowled nobles and even in practice he bowled no balls,
and I didn't matter how many times I told him,
you know, he practiced, that you're going to do it,
and then I won't what you do.
Speaker 7 (27:33):
There was.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Toys Boonie because he was always throwing his toys out
of the cot. Guess who that was. Yeah, I've had
prouder times, to be fair. In fact, they bought me
my own little set of plastic, colorful rattles to put
in my kit bag so I could get them out
at any stage in the game and throw them about
(27:58):
the place. Complaining about whatever it was is complain No
hall of fame to me, But most of us don't
play cricket for that. Cricket because it's fun, right, cricket
because we enjoy it. And Dbi Hockley, first woman president
of a national cricket organization globally fantastic. Leslie Murtks taken
(28:24):
over that role and as she said, it's super cool
that New Zealand Cricket have chosen to reflect on the
relevance of the women in the game as well. Not
sweet that under the rug And as Deevie pointed out,
they've always been very very keen on doing that, on
accelerating the women's game, and now they're the World twenty champions,
(28:49):
thank you very much. After a pretty dodgy year, but
they got there in the long run. Good on then,
who's next in the all of fame? Any ideas anyone
stand out to you. I was thinking a couple of
names of guys that have played particularly I say guys
have played particularly well, but they've got a bit of
scam surrounding them, so maybe they don't won't get there either,
(29:14):
any ideas maybe Right up there and at Islam we
talk with Brendan McCallum with his three hundred and Dan Vittorian.
Would you get Mark Richardson in the Hall of Fun?
Sorry for listening record, I'm just having some fun. It
is seven thirty eight coming up next, we'll look forward
(29:34):
to Formula one. It's the final round of a very long,
arduous season. Didn't start with a hess and a roar,
but by Kriky, the last few months have been quite
something else. Bob McMurray looks over the season. Next here
News Talks. That is very good at evening to Bob Murray.
Speaker 7 (30:07):
Okay, Darcy, how are you going very well?
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Very much looking forward to the end of the Formula
one season. Look, Bob, it started off with a sense
of predictability about it. Red Bull women, the championship makes
me staff and will drive off with the championship and
that's your season. Oh my, oh my, that change. It's
actually been an explosive end, isn't it.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
Bob, Yeah, exactly how things change when they stay the same.
You know, you still got Red Bull up there, and
you've still got all the the teams up there, but
it's changing all the time. It's quite amazing. I honestly feel,
Darcy that the season has gone on too long for
all these people. They've all been jammed together, especially after
two sets of three races back to back. They're all
(30:53):
bickering and moaning and complaining. Formula one needs to take
a couple of months holiday, I think, and just get
it all out of their veins and just get back
to basics of thinking about. This is a motorspoard thing,
not a soap opera, not a very good soap opera either,
And just I don't know, calm the farm, as they
(31:14):
used to say, cool the rockets. But we still got
one big thing to go through, and that is who's
going to end up Constructors Champion. And that's really what
you've got to focus on tonight, not all the bull
that's going on around things with I don't know Max
versus George Russell.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
And against himself.
Speaker 7 (31:34):
Exactly the President, I don't know what the President's against,
because it's everything that's going Toddo, wolf calling Horner a
yapping little dog and all sorts of stuff is getting stupid,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I don't think you're right though, about the fatigue that
has hit the entire circus. When you look at the
not only the amount of races, but the timing of
the racers back on back, on back a couple three
times during the season.
Speaker 7 (32:02):
This is not healthy, no, And when you think that
the back to backs have been continent to continent in
some places, you know, they were racing in Vegas and
all of a sudden they're shipped across the ocean to
the middle of Arabia Land. I mean it's it's yeah.
It is a not non ecological to do all that
(32:23):
sort of stuff. It is terribly wearing on the teams.
Many of the teams, of course, have had to initiate
some form of shift work for the mechanics, but many
of the mechanics are the same ones each race as well,
So yeah, it is terribly wearing. You know, Formula one
is noticeable for the high divorce rates or separation rates
(32:44):
between young mechanics and girlfriends and wives and young families
and that ain't going to help any I feel really,
I honestly feel sorry for a lot of those guys
because they work very hard. I mean, you know, these
days they're not allowed to work overnight and all sorts
of things, so.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
It's much easier than in the old days.
Speaker 7 (33:02):
But nonetheless it is a grueling, grueling schedule.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
So the race weekend it'll all be done and dusted
at the in sadly it's in a car park, would
so be it? And I note as well also that
the fun and games in Holand are going to end
in a couple of years. Zan bought on a few tracks.
It's actually worth watching go figure. But anyway, it finishes
this week in the big fight as you as you
mentioned the constructors Championship, With there any clue where this
(33:27):
may go.
Speaker 7 (33:29):
Three races, I would have said, yes, easily, it's going
to go McLaren's way because Ferrari are not necessarily the
fastest car. But after the debacle that was the final
the last race when Landa Norris was pinged for rightfully
so going through yellow flags, well I'm saying rightfully, so
you know, I think the actual punishment was way too
(33:51):
much way over the top. But nonetheless it's been done.
So now not only has the gap closed up this
race of this weekend lass is kind of tends to
favor Ferrari, so okay, they are they have to find
McLaren twenty one points ahead basically, so Ferrari have to
(34:11):
find quite a lot of points. But that is easy
to do when you come first and second and your
competitors do not come third and fourth. And that's what
McLaren have to guard against the fact that they are
right up there in the first four cars. They have
to be, both of their cars have to be in
the first four cars to win that championship. Essentially, if
that happens, fine, then they've done it. But Ferrari are
(34:34):
they are not outsiders in this Twenty one points can
disappear very very quickly when you're chasing championships and nerves
are on edge, and not necessarily the fastest car allays wins.
So it's going to be enthralling to see how they
manage it. And of course, first practice tonight and I
think ten thirty our time is going to give a
very good clue as to what might transpire over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Look, I had to say this because it sounds terrible,
But who actually can deal with the pressure with the
white they're on their shoulders because historically Ferrari aren't very
good at doing.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
That, are they No.
Speaker 7 (35:09):
Out of the four drivers, let's say the Science at
Ferrari and Lando Norris and Piastree. Out of those four drivers,
you know, the one I think can deal with it
best is color of Science because Color Science doesn't have
anything to lose. He is not driving for Ferrari next year.
He wants to win. He is very level headed when
(35:30):
he's in a very very good car. I think he
is the most level headed one of those four. Okay,
makes mistakes now and again, but they all do. Leclaire
tends to crack under pressure now and again. Orlando Norris,
we've seen that happen. And sometimes you get Pastre who
is as cool as a cucumber. Sometimes he just ain't
fast enough, but rarely does he get outsiched. So this
(35:54):
really is going to be a battle of four mentalities.
You could say racing there, because let's treat the cars
more or less equal. The difference in first or force
is probably going to be less than the tenth of
a second. So it's going to be the it's going
to be the one. The guy that's going to be
in pole position is the one that handles the pressure
and handles his car best on that circuit. Now, obviously
(36:16):
that's with the engineer and the team and all sorts
of things, but basically there's only one guy that's steering
the steering the thing around the circuit, and he's got
to perform.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
He got their two jokers in the pack. I'd say
one of them is Max Forstappan, who he's not superb
in the last few races, really has He's stood up,
which is great, so he'll throw a spanner in the
works by wanting to win. And he got Sergio Pirif
who still for some reason thinks he might have a
drive next year. Do you think finally he might actually
pull finger and do something.
Speaker 7 (36:46):
It's about time and it would be a revelation if
he did. I mean, you know, he hasn't exactly been
mister reliable on track? Has he Max? Withstappan for a start? Yeah,
you could. You could say that he is. You don't
forget the Ferrari McLaren battle. You could say that Max
is quite likely to as you say, be a spanner
in the works of both of those teams by going
out winning the thing, which means the points gets a
(37:09):
little bit mixed up. But then so, yeah, that could
have happened easily. Sergio prayers. Is he staying? Is he going?
I don't know. I've read all week that it's up
to him. He's got to go, He's got to go,
but it's up to him. He makes the decision. Apparently
he said about fourteen hours ago I read that he
is not going anywhere. He's staying next year, that's it.
(37:30):
Then I read seven hours ago he's had second thoughts
and he may well retire on his terms. I don't know.
And whatever happens to him very very much impacts Liam Lawson,
and if Sergio pres decided to have a really good race,
then it's going to impact those Ferrari and McLaren drivers
as well. The one thing about sport, Darcy is you
(37:51):
don't know what's going to happen, and the one thing
about motorsport generally is you don't always know what's going
to happen, and that is the fascinating thing about it.
We don't know what's going to happen, and.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
That's why I'll be watching and looking forward to wind
this chat up because playingly there's a lot more New
Zealand now who have engaged themselves in Formula One with
Liam Lawson and has rise and Rise. This will be
his sixth race of a dash to try and see
if he can get that top spot or even a
seat in Formula One. What he has to do this
(38:21):
weekend and what he's done in the last five weeks,
how does that come to a head?
Speaker 7 (38:26):
In your eyes, he's got to do better than he's
done in the last couple of weeks. That's the first thing.
He didn't have a spectacular weekend in either the last
two Grand Prix. Qualifying not so bad, but then it
all sort of fell away. He's going to Actually, the
first thing is you've got to beat your teammate. I've
said this all along. He has to impress the RB
(38:48):
team and the Red Bull management, especially that he is
faster than Sunoda, no doubt. End of story cuts Sunoda
out of the story. So that's the first thing he's
got to do. He's just got to have a very
good weekend because the future is not in his hands
apart from his performance on track. Now, I know the
RB team have made some absolute nightmare decisions, absolute nightmare
(39:11):
setups on the car. They have not given either of
those drivers the best car consistently, which is staggering sometimes
putting him on hard tires. Anyway, I won't go through it,
but they have made some fairly big old mares when
they're trying to work out the strategy. I hope that
doesn't happen to him. All he needs is a clean race,
a good race, a good competitive race, and you know,
(39:36):
get in the points and get more points than Sonoda.
That would be superb. If he was the joker in
the pack in the first four, mate, I'd be over
the moon.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Of course, tim orders and instructions don't help me either,
the way he's been treated with the red bulls and
the racing bulls. There again is another story. You see,
get through the race finish, take a clean car over
the line, he won't be doing a color pinto And
I found out something quite amusing over this weekend. You
Pierre Ghastly has cost his team no money at all.
(40:09):
He brings his car home clean every time. How good's
that exactly?
Speaker 7 (40:12):
And he's the only driver on the grid who have
done that, not a single penny in crash damage much
if he's born the few tires out when he's racing,
but not a single penny in crash damage the whole season.
That is remarkable. If he gets through this weekend, I
think it's got to be a world record, and no
wonder they're keeping him and getting rid of Ocon so
(40:33):
bit of a shame of hock on. But nonetheless, yeah,
Peter gasley Is, I think he's going to do better
and better next year. But like you, Darcy, like many Kiwis,
I've a lot of focus going on to Liam Lawson
this weekend and I can only hope that the abysmal way,
absolutely just disgusting way he's been treated by the Red
(40:54):
Bull management over the last one two, three years or
whatever just changes and he gets a good ride.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Bob, enjoy the week, I know you will as much
as I will, and then enjoy the rest before it
all starts again in Australia next to you. Thanks for
your time, mate, Just thank you, bar but sessiments two
eight that race thirty on Monday morning, take the day
off school and work. This is news talks, it'd be okay.
Speaker 6 (41:29):
So I got it wrong again.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
It was a replay Murray, go to school, go to work.
Speaker 6 (41:33):
The race is on at two.
Speaker 7 (41:34):
In the morning.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
What about I saying, I said, why is it on?
Speaker 7 (41:37):
That?
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Can't be on that?
Speaker 2 (41:38):
No, we're oh, what's looked it up? I mean you
cannot go to school or work and just watch the
replay at seven on a Monday. Just get up in
the middle of the night and watch it and it's
middle such thanks for pushing out the program of Darcy
Watergrave Good Evening.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
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