December 17, 2024 • 42 mins
D’Arcy Waldegrave returned to wrap this week's sporting news. Highlights for tonight include:
Gary Stead - Blackcaps Head Coach
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Waldegrave
from News Talk ZEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Seven after seven. It is good evening. This is Sports Talk.
I'm Darcy Watergrave and on Tuesday seventeenth of December twenty
twenty four, welcome on a day to celebrate, Celebrate the
influence in the career of Tim Salvey, celebrate a teest
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victory in the English series, and celebrate we're only a
week away from Christmas. Coming up in this evening's program.
Toward the end of the program, all catch up with
James O'Connor, but say the Crusaders first eight, but he's
not yet, but he wants to be charge his way
into that position. We'll find out what makes the former wallabetic,
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why he's playing over here, what he wants to achieve.
The list goes on and on, James O'Connor joining us
latter in the show up. First, though, we go to
the man behind Test cricket in New Zealand. The coach
Gary Stead is the head coach. Looking back at pieces
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of this year so far, predominantly know the Test match
where New Zealand basically crunched the English and crunched it
in good style. As well a lovely way to sign
off for Tim Southey in his own home ground. Gary
Steed is going to join us shortly before we do that,
though it's still a wee bit of this sport today
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and in sport today. As I said, happy days for
the black Caps. After returning England's first to Test favors
by pum them for a monstrous victory in the final Test,
English captain Ben Stokes reflects.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
We know we just didn't play anywhere near our capability
and it's obviously disappointing to in the tour and then
the top year with a loss, but we came here
to achieve. We've monast achieve and lock. It's no mean
feet coming to tiniw Zealand and beating them because they're
a very very strong team in their home conditions.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
And you beat us well. Tim m Paine is staying
with the Phoenix for another three years. The right backs
down for to playing, sorry to carry on playing, and
he's doing well because of the consistency of.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Selection, the billy and the trust to be playing one
position and prominently there has really helped me kind of
progress and I think perform been performing.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Will be a nine year career. By the time he
hangs his studs up. If he does, he might not
he might carry on and on and on and keyw
darts player Ben Robb has been dumped out of the
World Championships already three sets to nill. It's the score
England's Connor Scut saw him off. Is the action on
sky Sport. Con Scut saves that a huge passage to
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the rest of the field save doctor massive matter to
the Australian number lof David Hatter two will be playing
night and that's sport today. It's the soundtrack of Summer
is ten past seven. Cricket is the subject and now
Gary Stead is our guest as we talk cricket for
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possibly the last time this year. Gary good evening. Welcome
to the show.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
Hello Darcy, how are you?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I'm very very well. What about yourself? The teest season
oddly has wound up. It is in the middle of December,
wound up with a victory hot cold the whole year
so far, how would you rate what you and your
men have achieved over the the Sri Lankan, the Indian
and then last of all, the English series if you
can put them in one bunch.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Well, look, I meant you're right, and might you say
that there's been some outstanding performances. I mean, probably nothing
greater than that Indian series, and I think this series
is another one that could have gone either way. And
I think sometimes you get fine margins in sport that
can make the results look like the blowouts. But I
think it was a fiercely contested series, this one against
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England and unfortunately they won the first two, but I
think the guys bounced back extremely well in this last
Test they did.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
How much of that though, was England maybe were a
foot on the plane and New Zealand knowing that it
was Tim Soudy's last Test match so it was a
massive improvement and then maybe slightly less from the English site.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
Yeah, I can't speak for England, but from our point
of view, we certainly wanted to send him out on
a really positive note and I thought the way that
we applied ourselves was fantastic throughout the game, and it
started off with that first session where Tom Latham and
Will Young got us through a tricky situation of batting,
and I thought the guy's bowl particularly well throughout the
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throughout the match as well, and you look at Matt
Henry tim So they will O Rourke and Mitch Satner
I thought did a fantastic role for us.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Mitch Santner quite something else that the coming of age
for a man who's been a lot of his time
tweaking when it comes to the white ball version, but
now he's shown in red ball he's definitely a guide
to not to be messed with.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean he's It's a pitch that we
thought would take some spin and Mitch came into his
own not only with the ball but certainly with the
bat at the start as well. And he is seventy
seven and forty nine that he scored I think was
really instrumental in the match. And put that alongside seven
wickets and buck he had an outstanding match and it's
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great to see him continuing to develop his red bull game.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
When you look across the just this series in particular,
what were you most impressed with about your side and
what they achieved even though they lost to one.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Look, I think we bound backwell, there's no surprise. I
think when you look back that first Test that you
look at the drop catchers was probably the difference in
the match. And we could be talking about a different
serious result here if we'd taken those but unfortunately that's
the game at times, and we were just a little
bit off on those couple of days in the field.
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But look, I think there's real resilience in this team.
I think there's some skill sets the likes of willow' rourke,
who I think is just going from strength to strength
with his test game. And there's certainly a guy that
I think is going to be talked about a lot
around the world whoever he plays against. With his pace
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and the bounce that he gets, I think he made
all the England batsman look uncomfortable. Came Williamson obviously continues
to impress with his ability to just keep churning out
runs and I guess he was the I guess rock
that everyone else battered around in our innings.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Here, will young wonderful time of it in India. He's
come back, He's slid in for that one game for
Devin Conway and proved that he's definitely a viable bat.
You can't really comment on what happens to the next
tiest because you may or may not be the coach.
Was nice to see will saying yeah, I can actually
open this is okay.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
Absolutely, And look, i mean I've said this many times,
but regardless of whether Will plays or not, he's still
a fine player for us. And that's one of the
things you're always, i think looking at as a selector
is who fits in and wear And we've got a
hell of a lot of respect for Will and the
way he goes about his game. He's certainly going from
strength to strength and that's always encouraging in any players
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that you have in your squad. So, yeah, delighted for
Will in the way that he played.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Rotten reve Indra. He's a guy who was going to
be suite something else. I've all seen that showing slight
lapses of concentration throughout the year. I'm presuming that's not
an easy fix, but something he has to work on.
He's got it all there, but every now and then
just blips, doesn't he Yeah, But.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Look, I mean he's twenty four, he's young in the
international game still, but he will keep getting better because
he's a classy person and a classy player, and whilst
he hasn't had perhaps the series that he's wanted, then
we have a lot of trust and a lot of
faith in the way he goes about things, and from
our perspective, I think Rachan's going to be here for
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a long long time and will definitely continue to be
a great player and probably a great leader in this
team in the future as well.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
A lot of pressure on you, Gary Steve when it
comes to some players not in great form, but I
believe you've always been very much. It's hard to get
into this team, but it's also hard to get out
because we put a lot of trust in players. Are
you still satisfied with that attitude, that philosophy and what's
happened throughout this season.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
You never select players because you want to get rid
of them at some stage, and so you select the
players that you believe are the best players in the country.
You select them for a reason, and sometimes form can
come and go a little bit, but I think if
you do continue to show that trust and players and
you get the best out of them as well. And look,
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there are times that I know that it's that people
want to see change, but I guess that's a decision
for selectors and the captain to make. And trying to
keep the consistency in the team and also consistency in
the dressing room as well, so people are really clear
on what their roles are.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
I'll tell you someone who's been consistent. Tim Salvey bows
out of the Test arena after I don't know how long,
what's sixteen seventeen years? He says goodbye. Suitable way to
send him on his way with a victory at his
home park. He's been. I don't like when they say
a servant to the game because I don't think it
suggests enough. He's been an absolute rock star, isn't he.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
Yeah? Oh, you think Tim came into the team when
he was eighteen or nineteen and a young guy who
I guess had a fantastic start in his first Test
against England as well, and I think since then he's
carved out an amazing career. When you consider the numbers
he's got, he's the only player in the world to
have three hundred Test wickets, two hundred ode eyes in
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one hundred T twenty wickets, So that says something in
itself about his longevity. But I think more than that,
that's what he holds in the dressing room as well.
Like he's a he's a cheeky character, but he always
has put the team first and done his very very
best to get around other players. And I'm sure that's
something that we look back in the future will be
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some somewhat of a legacy that he's left and he goes.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Away plainly very happy with what he's achieved. What about
reflections in the sheds afterwards, what was the champagne popping
people having a good old time to celebrate the end
of an era.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean we want, we want to, I guess,
toast him and to being the player of the man
that he's been within this group for for a long
long time. And I mean it's never easy saying to
by to someone, but I mean that always happens you
with any job you're in. I guess you reach the
end of your lifespan. And I think the nice thing
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for Tim is he's bowing out on his terms. He's
decided it's the right tent, right time to go for him,
and he will. He will leave the game, I think,
with many magnificent memories, but also some great mates as well.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
You'd say about people making their own decision, knowing when
it's time to step down and time not you would
have been handled with this question constantly. But you've got
a bit of a break now. I think your contract
expires before the next Test series starts and a number
of months time. How much consideration are you giving to
walking away from coaching the Test game because you've got
some one day international still to come.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Yeah, I mean it's something that you do always think about.
And look, I'm sure that my discussions with New Zealand
Cricket will continue in the in the near future. But look,
it's it's nice to get close to Christmas, to have
a little bit of time at home and spend some
time with the family, and that's certainly when you're in
the role for a long time, you certainly cherish those
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moments and certainly looking forward to a little bit of
just a bit of downtime before we get into it again.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
And so as far as that's concerned, you're not making
any calls or anything. And tell what, well into twenty
twenty five, you're just going to let it rest.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Yeah, not at the moment, Darcy. I mean, it's the
game's about the players, So first and foremost my job
is to try and prepare the Black players as best
we can, and when we get to that time to
make a decision. Then I'm sure you'll be first to know.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
I'll take you to that one last thing, Gary Stid,
your performance are as a coach, how have you waited
what you've achieved in these three tests series?
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Look, I mean you always want to win every test
that you go into and that's something you're always aspiring
to do. And we weren't quite good enough in the
first two. I mean, we miss some opportunities in that
first test that perhaps win us. That's always disappointing and
you always reflect first yourself and what you could have
done better. And like as a staff, where we're always saying,
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how can we prepare the players for them to be
out there and ready? But ultimately it does rest with
the players to be out there and to play the game,
and that's what the game's about to me. I mean,
as support staff, our job is to support the players
and to help them get ready. So you're always looking
for those little one percenters, I guess, and what you
can do differently and what you can change to get
them ready. But look, the ability and I think one
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of the things for this team that they do so
well is they have shown resilience and they've shown the
ability to bounce back. In my view, they've done that
very very well in this Test match.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Well you're back in control of things early January. But
for the here and now you get to sit back, relax,
not deal with media, not deal with players, actually not
even smell cut grass. Enjoy your holiday, Gary Steven, thanks
very much for all of your help throughout twenty twenty four.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Thanks drcchairs mate, share it from the PLA his names
and sports and men.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
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Speaker 2 (14:15):
The understated coach of the black Caps, Gary Stead there
essentially on their's this series to touch on Sauvie and
other bits and bobs as well as to Sauvie, I'd
like to go now, look still be around still, I'm
presuming packed in the One Day International, so I think
T twenty that horse as well and truly bolted. Actually
interesting to see if he does get pecked and if
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he wants to carry on. But at the moment it's
about Tim Sauvie the Test player. Very simple question, wild
and SALVII go down as one of New Zealand's greatest cricketers.
That's across the board, bowling, batting, fielding, one of our
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greatest cricketers. It's a pantheon that is not exactly stuff
with human beings. And when you think of the names,
the names of people that are in that pantheon that
we looked to and will always remember, there are some
heavy heading names there. Does Tim Southey deserve to sit
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there in such company as Sir Richard Hadley came Williamson,
as he will be Martin Crowe probably add a few
more to that as well. Personally are resounding yes. Yes
for the way he bowls, Yes for his longtime partnership,
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that devastating partnership with Trent bolt To, I expect would
also go down similar stature as Tim Soudy great because
of his carcass The bloke very rarely got injured or
had a sick day, did he? His longevity was huge,
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never reached the heights that the seventy seven promised, But
I think that was grossly unfair.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
That's not his business.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
He's a bowler first and foremost, fielded well, great in
the slips, traversed the terror firmal with pace. I think
he is one of our greats, one of our Test
cricket greats. Have you look at ten of them or
eleven of them? He's got to be one, surely your thoughts, Oh,
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eight hundred eighty ten eighty will he go down as
one of our greats? And why do you think that
is the case? And of course, being the contrarian that
producer Andy duff is, he said, and why isn't he
one of our greatest? Why is he not on that list?
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I'll be getting Andy on ere shortly to explain that quip,
but I'd rather hear from you. Oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eight will him go down as one of
our greats or not? This is sports talk. I'm downcy
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James O'Connor has been playing at the top level of rugby.
As long as Tim Southy has been up at the
top level cricket, they can't be march between it. Surely
both eighteen, weren't they when they represented for the first
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time internationally? Now there are kind of well, O Connor's
not on the way out. He's come to ride in
on a white horse and saved the day for the
crusaders again. A long and impressive career. He joins us
later on in the program, Right here, right now and
taking your calls over one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
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Will Tim Salvey go down as one of New Zealand's
greatest cricketers? I think yes been around for a long
time and maybe in tests over the last year or
so he hasn't been at his greatest, but he's still
been a huge part of the setup of the machinery
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behind that black cap side, and that experience invaluable. I'd
suggest didn't work so well as a captain, but he
recognized that the riding was on the wall, and the
wall got knocked down and when that said I'm out, Tom,
you take it on and look what happened. He's done
everything and cricketers and cricket fans always have memories and
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there'll be plenty from Tim Salvey and what he achieved.
Good Dave.
Speaker 8 (19:23):
Look, look he's going to all service and be there
in the background to help our bowlers. And look we've
got a great essays and want to walk one hundred
and fifty k is an hour, and we've got Mitchell
Saddler going to be going to be the greatest spinner
in the world.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
That might be a bit much, but he's definitely on
the improved it come back.
Speaker 8 (19:46):
But look willow Rock Bowl following at one hundred things,
that's pretty good, isn't well, rook is he's going to develop,
going to be a great bowler and pay some bounce
and the bowl of that. Then I get the Englishman
out like that and it's pretty good. But and Tim Salve,
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you know, passed away with the knowledge onto our cricket
on those test pays great, isn't it. He's given a good,
good service over the years. And yeah, the apal but
then in the background to help our bowlers will come
along as well too as well. You might be given
to the coaching role or something like that. Background, but
he's going to give a good, good service over the years.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Yes, and he's shown the way and you've got to
be impressed by that. Although you were talking Dave about O'Rourke,
the ability to bowl flat out doesn't necessarily mean you're
a good bowler. It just means you can bowl fast,
controls everything. And then when you look at Salvi and
what he provided, the control that he had the knowledge
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of his game, that's what set him above others. The
older you get, the wiser you become, you'd like to
think in most aspects of life. And I think with
Tim Salvee, even though he slowed down significly toward the end,
it was where he bowled and how he bowled, not
the pace at which he bowled, and his ability to
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form that outrageous combination with Trent Bolt, the hunting and packs,
the pair of them. But thanks for your call. If
you'd like to chime and and we'd love to hear
from you. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is going
to go down as one of New Zealand cricket's great cricketers.
I in Test cricket, yes, but then you look right
across take twenty one day internationals. He's got some astonishing
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records in that and even though determining a player's greatness
shouldn't entirely rest on figures, it has a huge part
of that is a part of the equation that figures
you cannot deny. But what he did, as Dave mentioned,
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as far as being a mentor, someone who held the
team together from the inside in his position, I think, yes,
he covered all of that, didn't he.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Tim Yeah, he was.
Speaker 9 (22:13):
I remember back in the day where he was touted
to be an all rounder and obviously that didn't work out.
So we're just talking about his bowling, and then if
you compare his bowling to someone like Bold, I don't
even I don't recall people giving the same credit to Bolt,
and I thought, you know, Bolt was probably the better
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of the two when they combined. But in saying that,
I think Sally is like he's done a remarkable thing
for the game.
Speaker 8 (22:43):
It's a New Zealand.
Speaker 9 (22:44):
I just I just think it's a little bit overblown
to suggest he's, you know, an all timer.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Well, so what what to you denotes an all timer?
What do you look at? We know that like, for example,
off the top of your head, who would be a
couple of three year old timers.
Speaker 9 (23:01):
Well, so to say, I'd say i'd put Saldi on
a similar level as Bold, right, And if we're saying
that Bolts and all timer, then then.
Speaker 10 (23:09):
Maybe that's true.
Speaker 9 (23:10):
So if you're talking about your top ten or twenty,
then then years short. But you know you're Richard had Leezia,
Martin Crows, the tory I think was probably up there.
Stephen Fleming is a captain. Yeah, so sort of those
are the four that would comes immediately to mind. And
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then yeah, he's kind of worked down from there and
eventually you'll obviously get to Saldi.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
But he spread that through though what he did with
in the field, his longevity, the amount of wickets he talk,
the amount of RUMSI scored, his partnership, and I think
you touched the night before, which is key these guys
hunting in packs. And would Trent Bolt have been Trent
Bolt without Tim Saldy at the other end.
Speaker 9 (23:58):
Or the other way around troupe? Yeah, maybe Taylor after that,
Taylor he'll be up there. So yeah, no, I certainly
I'm not doubting his service to New Zealand cricket. And
yeah he is a but if you're just looking at
the he what he as, what his skills did for
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the game for New Zealand, then yeah, he's not.
Speaker 7 (24:24):
In my mind.
Speaker 9 (24:25):
The sort of foremost I guess of of cricketers.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Was his batting something that sound for you, because after
that seventy seven a lot of people thought he is
an all rounder, this is the second coming. But he
never reached those heights again, and there was I thought
that he was a little flipping out in the middle.
He threw his wicket away, he didn't really carry it
with the respect that deserves.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (24:53):
Absolutely, if he turned into it, you know, a half
decent all rounder, then one hundred percent of would change.
Speaker 7 (24:59):
My mind, you know.
Speaker 9 (25:02):
But the the batting offered nothing really at the end, especially.
Speaker 8 (25:07):
Yeah, so that that would have.
Speaker 9 (25:10):
Been especially you know, there would have been so many
games where I can recall an extra at a thirty
from Saudi would have been crucial, and you know it
was instead six and out or something.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
That's a really good point, Tim, and I appreciate for
calling through and offering that up twenty five minutes to eight.
If you'd like to buy on in, please do. I
on one hundred and eighty ten eighty run through a
few texts for you, Saudi will never make the Hall
of Fame. No one is calling because everyone disagrees with you.
Speaker 8 (25:44):
SA.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
There was only ever average on the world stage. He
should have retired three years ago at least. Don't agree.
But that's okay. Three hundred and ninety one Test wickets.
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Three hundred and ninety one Test wickets, that's second behind RJ.
You don't get that by being average and just turning
up right bowling average just on thirty one Dame's Nason
was two hundred and twenty one wickets at thirty three
t twenties, one hundred and sixty four at twenty two.
That dad's impressive and it's his bowling that he remembered for,
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not his ability or in some cases inability with the
willow one hundred eighty ten eighty. Is he gonna go
down with one of our greatest or is he stained
or smudged with the lack of perceived lack of application
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with the willow, which I think is a shame because
he's a bowl at first and foremost. It's not his
job to prop up one ends. It's his job to
take wickets. It's what bowlers do. On ten eighty twenty four,
to eight. James O'Connor still to come, and this guy
said James wants a Super Rugby title on the CV,
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which you won't get playing with the Aussie team unless
of the Crusaders. He has a chance, Thanks Steve, James.
Around the corner is the news Talk's AB somebody sports
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talk on Newstalks AB one hundred eighty ten eighty May
should be judges for his batting when he was a bowler.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
Today, Phil, how are you.
Speaker 10 (27:45):
Very good? Thank you Darcy, and Merry Christmas.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Too, and happy holidays to you, sir.
Speaker 10 (27:50):
Thank you very much. I would next to which athlete
or Daniel Vittory, but rates him very close. The enjoyment
is longevity is hope in across all forms of ticket cricket. Sorry,
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he deserves if there's a Hall of Fame, he deserves
to be in there, to be there whenever it gets
what about.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
As the greatest thing, But he's not, Sir Richard Hadley,
But what he's provided, what he's done for such a
long amount of time is very impressive. I'm glad you agree.
Speaker 10 (28:30):
Thank you. That's That's that's all I wanted to say.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Phil, Thank you for contributing one hundred and eighty ten
eighty would like to make like fil free for number nation.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
Why cray good evening, he dares.
Speaker 7 (28:42):
How are you very well?
Speaker 2 (28:43):
What's on your mind?
Speaker 7 (28:45):
Oh? Just this south East thing? I think you're writer.
I think he'll go downs above the great Having said
that the fathers, I was thinking about this just today.
If I was to make up my greatest News on
test lineup, he wouldn't be in us. I think there'll
better players than a whole other positions. If I made
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my be twenty twenty lineup, he would definitely be there
in it, and I made my one day lineup, he
would be very close. If if he wasn't, then he'd
be very close. So but there's no denying the quality
of the guy. I think that that's pushing it if
you don't, so if.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
You for sleitting a teaste of leaving, if you will
plenty Richard Headley's one of your quicks. There's going to
another couple. Who's the other one? Who are the other ones?
Speaker 7 (29:34):
I would for me, well, I'm thinking about a number
six around as well, such as I'd put Bond on there,
he'd be probably number team and then I'd put my
number six would Oh, that's a trick about either be
maybe Headley or there's.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
No way Soudi's a sex. He shouldn't have even been
an eight. He's a team.
Speaker 7 (29:57):
No, I'm not saying I say Saldi should be in
number six. I said Headley maybe, but I'd probably have
Vitry in a as number six. As you're around it, So.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Your Bond and your Richard Hadley, are you tick quicks?
And then if you're running a third one in there
would be a bowler or someone that can do a
bit of a bit.
Speaker 7 (30:21):
I would probably look as me. I'll probably be more
inclined for the bolt and because he could do was
a better better.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
And that that's interesting, And thanks very much for your call, Craig.
That that is interesting because again predominantly he's a bowler,
but he appears to be tainted with what he did,
or more's the point, what he didn't do with the
Batonder how long that's going to hang over his head for?
(30:52):
Hopefully not too long. I'll go back to his wicket
tally across all of those games and his average. He
needs to be remembered as a great bowler, not as
a great bowler who could have done better with a bat.
I think it's unfair.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
This.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Texas says Salvey stayed too long and cost us tests
as a consequence, and possibly this test series. This too
has to be filed into the assessment of his legacy
and ranking in New Zealand cricket, a lesson for all.
I don't think you can blame Tim Salvee for being selected, right,
(31:34):
I mean, if he was the captain and the selector,
maybe he could, but it was he really no, I
don't think so. He was there and the selectors, the coach,
the captain had faith in him to do a job
and they knew historically he could, so I don't put
it on him that he kept getting selected. Yeah, granted
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it would have been a great brave dude to drop
him at the twilight of his career. Maybe that should
have been done, but that's not Tim's call. It's called
the eight. Coming up next on news Talkers, there'd be
James ok the Crusader's potential first five eighth, Formert Wallaby
and joins us to talk about why and what's going
to happen next. How's the training going, James O'Connor, have
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you got the stitch mate? Find out next on news
tools here.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
About to sell you are Cooper Cooper allowed to run
quite Cooper hight By brilliant pick ups Australia.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
He's got great hands, James O'Connor.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
That you're right, that dummy inside he also had Curdie
Beers slid on the inside, held up all the defenders.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
O'Connor was almost on his own.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
He's got great hands, James O'Connor. But it has he
got soft hands. It's one thing you definitely know for
absolute sure when you watch Test cricket is that came
Williamson has soft hands. It's soft hands, binger when you're
sitting in homie, get hammered if you play that. Please
don't anyway, enough of that. Let's move away from cricket
(33:13):
and go to rugby union. James O'Connor Crusaders, first five eighth,
potentially former Wallaby. Over to the Crusaders, he joins us.
Now James O'Connor, welcome mate. Hey, I'm doing very very well.
What about yourself acclimatizing to the funning games in the
south is and now that you are a Crusader?
Speaker 6 (33:34):
Yeah, indeed i am.
Speaker 11 (33:35):
We've just finished our second last day of preseason.
Speaker 6 (33:39):
So it's been tasty, it's been fast, it's been tough.
Speaker 11 (33:43):
I'm sticking in neck beefing up, so I'm really enjoying it.
Speaker 6 (33:46):
And yeah, they've definitely turned leather on loving that.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
I like that term. I think it might turn up
more often than not in sport commentary. Now tasty, that
sounds good. So James has Rob Penny been thrashing you
guys with a stick? What's the preseason look like compared
to other superclubs you've been involved with?
Speaker 11 (34:04):
Well, I think like to compare it to Australia, we
have a little bit longer preseason, so we're normally running
off like an eight sort of the ten week, whereas
here it's due to the MPC it's a.
Speaker 6 (34:13):
Little bit shorter. But just because it's shorter doesn't mean
it's not as tough.
Speaker 11 (34:16):
We're doing like triple sessions a day and big field
sessions and it's fast, man, the rock speed. I haven't
experienced anything like you do fitness games, but the rock
speed here on fifteen or fifteen is another level.
Speaker 6 (34:29):
So yeah, it's definitely asking a lot of me.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
So you've got a thirty four year old carcass Is
that a bit beat up at the moment, James.
Speaker 11 (34:37):
No, it's actually it's actually feeling good again. I've been
I've been looked after a while. I'm looking after myself. Well,
everything's so close here as well, so I got a
top quality sort of physio staff, the masusas are out,
you know, the gym's all sorted, recovery center.
Speaker 6 (34:55):
So staying on top of everything and yeah, moving moving well.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
And looking to sneer that team jersey. You've been pretty
upfront about that. And when we love a good Australian
front foot attitude, it's fantastic. So you think you're you're
trending toward that. You have an upset too many people
saying I want that jersey, Well.
Speaker 11 (35:14):
I think like everyone wants the jersey they want, Like,
I think that's the reality of the sport. If you're
not going for a jersey, then what's the point of
being in the team. Just going to be a squad
filler and you're not competing, so no one's going to
be getting better.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
Like as much as obviously I want to play talent,
that doesn't mean I'm going to get it.
Speaker 11 (35:30):
You know, Rivers and Taha are playing pretty well at
the moment from what I've seen in the preseason, and
they're like they have good rugby heads on them. So
for from my point of view, I want to be
a part of the team. I want to be a
part of the squad and I have put it out there,
but look, there's a lot of work that needs to
be done before any jerseys are handed out.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
As far as the work you're going to do with
those two youngest guys coming through, is that an exciting
prospect A reason why you join the Crusaders to have
a hand in the in providing some impetus and some
I suppose mentorship for these younger guys.
Speaker 11 (36:05):
Yeah, that was a huge of me coming to the
Crusaders was one again, like we said, that's sort of
the stage of my career I'm in. As much as
I want to be playing, the reality is will I
be able to do that? And a big part of
me coming is I spent a lot of time sort
of this year when I was injured, not so much mentoring,
but I guess sharing my knowledge with the younger tens
(36:26):
and younger sort of ball players at the Reds and
through sort of Queensland Rugby, and I guess that excites me.
Speaker 6 (36:32):
I enjoy teaching.
Speaker 11 (36:33):
I enjoy sharing the knowledge like I was sort of
given when I moved overseas and when I played with
some of.
Speaker 6 (36:39):
The great players in rugby. So yeah, I've sort of
That's that part of the career I'm in. And I
do want to compete. I want to keep competing. At
the same time, I love like the camaraderie you.
Speaker 11 (36:51):
Build when you you know, you can share knowledge between
each each of the players as well, like the game
continually evolves, so there's parts of the game that I
would see.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
More and how I've played probably you know, I've played
quite a few more games than both of them.
Speaker 11 (37:05):
But at the same time, you know, they're probably more
up to upbeat and they've seen, like the game evolve
in their sort of way too, So I'm learning off
them as well.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Friendships within the team playing the important. You see camaraderie.
Does that challenge make your desire to grab that team
and see it just a wee bit of friction in there, James.
Speaker 11 (37:24):
I said, I don't see it like that, because coaches
pick the teams. So as a player, you can do
or you can to make yourself better. But at the
end of the day, like I'm like, without saying it
too much, I'm here for the experience, and I'm here
like to be a part of a team that's going
to go deep into the finals.
Speaker 6 (37:42):
And I believe I came here for that reason because
I believe.
Speaker 11 (37:45):
In what the Crusaders can do. I believe in this squad,
and I believe in these coaches. So from my point
of view, it'll be pretty telling like who's in what position.
So like that's why I mean, it's exciting for me
because I just genuinely don't know. I know I can
play a certain role and I know what my skill
set is, but at the end of the day as well,
I am finally it is different over here.
Speaker 6 (38:06):
The ball, Like I told you, the looks are different,
the shapes different.
Speaker 11 (38:10):
So I'm just had to enjoying myself, compete, teach a
little bit, learn a little bit, and then just you know,
be with my.
Speaker 6 (38:16):
Feet out as I keep hearing over here, be present
and just enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Being with your feet out. James O'Connor a lot of
work in front of the Crusaders after being pretty much unbeatable,
completely dominant for years and years and years stumbled last season,
didn't get to the playoffs, a huge amount of pressure
on Rob Penny, the coaching staff and the players. It's
part of that encouraging you, was part of that challenge,
something that you really wanted to do at the stage
(38:42):
in your career.
Speaker 11 (38:43):
Well, I don't think I'd be here if this year
didn't happen, you know that. I think that sort of
opened the door for me to be able to come.
And I have played This is my nineteenth season now,
so I have played quite a bit of Super rugby.
I probably played twelve seasons of Super rugby in my time.
So from that sort of point of view, I do
know the game quite well. I understand it quite well.
(39:04):
I understand how I guess the Australian teams play and
the Kiwi teams play. So whether that is just sort
of more mentoring role and helping shape the attack and
you know, the game plans week to week, or whether
I'll be involved in helping.
Speaker 6 (39:16):
Run those game plans and you know much of boys
around the field.
Speaker 11 (39:20):
You know, time will tell, but it is it is
very exciting for me and one to just as an
Aussie with Kiwi parents, to be able to take a
peek behind the window and see, you know, a club
that's had so much success and to just be a
part of it and feel it. And you know, I've
got ambitions of doing into coaching, so yeah, I'm really
enjoying it.
Speaker 6 (39:37):
It's it's definitely different.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
So they're aware of that. So they're aware of that
you are going to lean into that coaching side, and
this is part of your signature that you intend to
I suppose start looking toward that. They're all cool with that.
Speaker 6 (39:50):
Do you mean stealing New Zealand's knowledge?
Speaker 2 (39:52):
No, no, no, no about about leaning with Rob Penny
and helping out in a coaching manner.
Speaker 11 (40:00):
Again, it's not like I'm not I'm not coaching here
at like, but at the same time, when you're a
ball player, you're I guess you're helping the coaches deliver
the game plan on the field.
Speaker 6 (40:10):
So I'm the eyes and ears for the coaches out there,
so that will deliver the game plan.
Speaker 11 (40:14):
As much as I'd like to be a part of that,
I don't know what that's going to look like because
we're not at that part of the season.
Speaker 6 (40:19):
But you'll have a game plan you're working.
Speaker 11 (40:20):
Out together, usually with your leadership group or your game callers,
and then our job is sort of tens and ball players,
is to deliver what the coaches have seen and then
adapt it on the gos things aren't working.
Speaker 6 (40:32):
So yeah, I do have.
Speaker 11 (40:33):
I have been coaching for a couple of years now,
at hat lower levels obviously, and I've been I guess running.
Speaker 6 (40:38):
Teams for the last sort of ten years.
Speaker 11 (40:40):
So that was part of the reason to come over
here was me being able to you know, get the
eyes behind that and experience, and also them to be
able to rely on someone who's I guess done it
a few times before as well.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
James, I kind of joining us. You played for the
Wallabies for a number of years. What twenty twenty two
the last time you put on the goal? Do you
harbor any aspirations of doing it again?
Speaker 6 (41:02):
If I got asked, I definitely wouldn't say that excited
that much fun? Uh, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 11 (41:09):
It's always It's always incredible to be able to play
for your country, especially when from my point of view,
I feel like I still have. I didn't give the
best version of myself again.
Speaker 6 (41:19):
Time will tell.
Speaker 11 (41:20):
We'll see how the season goes, how I'm moving, see
how the body's holding up, and then that's all sort
of down the track for me right now is again
bringing it back be with your feeder. I'm just enjoying
my life here, settling into christ Church, learning a good
little water hole.
Speaker 6 (41:36):
You've got to get water every day.
Speaker 11 (41:37):
So finding the lakes, finding the rivers, getting to the beach,
and then just getting stuck into rugby. And yeah, it's fast,
it's tough, it's everything I was expecting, probably more.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
No need for the DMO. We've got the breakdown on
Sports Talk, Cool News Talk.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
James Oh kind of a long time in the seat,
just like Tim South, he's just retired. Great to have
James on the program. Looking forward to speaking with him
more next year with him become the pivot or not
for the Crusader's interesting times ahead. And that's it. Andie Duff,
as always, thanks very much for your encouragement, you love
your support. You're the best producer.
Speaker 8 (42:18):
Good evening.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Seven after seven. It is good evening. This is Sports Talk.
I'm Darcy Watergrave and on Tuesday seventeenth of December twenty
twenty four, welcome on a day to celebrate, Celebrate the
influence in the career of Tim Salvey, celebrate a teest
(00:52):
victory in the English series, and celebrate we're only a
week away from Christmas. Coming up in this evening's program.
Toward the end of the program, all catch up with
James O'Connor, but say the Crusaders first eight, but he's
not yet, but he wants to be charge his way
into that position. We'll find out what makes the former wallabetic,
(01:15):
why he's playing over here, what he wants to achieve.
The list goes on and on, James O'Connor joining us
latter in the show up. First, though, we go to
the man behind Test cricket in New Zealand. The coach
Gary Stead is the head coach. Looking back at pieces
(01:35):
of this year so far, predominantly know the Test match
where New Zealand basically crunched the English and crunched it
in good style. As well a lovely way to sign
off for Tim Southey in his own home ground. Gary
Steed is going to join us shortly before we do that,
though it's still a wee bit of this sport today
(01:58):
and in sport today. As I said, happy days for
the black Caps. After returning England's first to Test favors
by pum them for a monstrous victory in the final Test,
English captain Ben Stokes reflects.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
We know we just didn't play anywhere near our capability
and it's obviously disappointing to in the tour and then
the top year with a loss, but we came here
to achieve. We've monast achieve and lock. It's no mean
feet coming to tiniw Zealand and beating them because they're
a very very strong team in their home conditions.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
And you beat us well. Tim m Paine is staying
with the Phoenix for another three years. The right backs
down for to playing, sorry to carry on playing, and
he's doing well because of the consistency of.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Selection, the billy and the trust to be playing one
position and prominently there has really helped me kind of
progress and I think perform been performing.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Will be a nine year career. By the time he
hangs his studs up. If he does, he might not
he might carry on and on and on and keyw
darts player Ben Robb has been dumped out of the
World Championships already three sets to nill. It's the score
England's Connor Scut saw him off. Is the action on
sky Sport. Con Scut saves that a huge passage to
(03:15):
the rest of the field save doctor massive matter to
the Australian number lof David Hatter two will be playing
night and that's sport today. It's the soundtrack of Summer
is ten past seven. Cricket is the subject and now
Gary Stead is our guest as we talk cricket for
(03:37):
possibly the last time this year. Gary good evening. Welcome
to the show.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
Hello Darcy, how are you?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I'm very very well. What about yourself? The teest season
oddly has wound up. It is in the middle of December,
wound up with a victory hot cold the whole year
so far, how would you rate what you and your
men have achieved over the the Sri Lankan, the Indian
and then last of all, the English series if you
can put them in one bunch.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Well, look, I meant you're right, and might you say
that there's been some outstanding performances. I mean, probably nothing
greater than that Indian series, and I think this series
is another one that could have gone either way. And
I think sometimes you get fine margins in sport that
can make the results look like the blowouts. But I
think it was a fiercely contested series, this one against
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England and unfortunately they won the first two, but I
think the guys bounced back extremely well in this last
Test they did.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
How much of that though, was England maybe were a
foot on the plane and New Zealand knowing that it
was Tim Soudy's last Test match so it was a
massive improvement and then maybe slightly less from the English site.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
Yeah, I can't speak for England, but from our point
of view, we certainly wanted to send him out on
a really positive note and I thought the way that
we applied ourselves was fantastic throughout the game, and it
started off with that first session where Tom Latham and
Will Young got us through a tricky situation of batting,
and I thought the guy's bowl particularly well throughout the
(05:09):
throughout the match as well, and you look at Matt
Henry tim So they will O Rourke and Mitch Satner
I thought did a fantastic role for us.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Mitch Santner quite something else that the coming of age
for a man who's been a lot of his time
tweaking when it comes to the white ball version, but
now he's shown in red ball he's definitely a guide
to not to be messed with.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean he's It's a pitch that we
thought would take some spin and Mitch came into his
own not only with the ball but certainly with the
bat at the start as well. And he is seventy
seven and forty nine that he scored I think was
really instrumental in the match. And put that alongside seven
wickets and buck he had an outstanding match and it's
(05:50):
great to see him continuing to develop his red bull game.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
When you look across the just this series in particular,
what were you most impressed with about your side and
what they achieved even though they lost to one.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Look, I think we bound backwell, there's no surprise. I
think when you look back that first Test that you
look at the drop catchers was probably the difference in
the match. And we could be talking about a different
serious result here if we'd taken those but unfortunately that's
the game at times, and we were just a little
bit off on those couple of days in the field.
(06:27):
But look, I think there's real resilience in this team.
I think there's some skill sets the likes of willow' rourke,
who I think is just going from strength to strength
with his test game. And there's certainly a guy that
I think is going to be talked about a lot
around the world whoever he plays against. With his pace
(06:48):
and the bounce that he gets, I think he made
all the England batsman look uncomfortable. Came Williamson obviously continues
to impress with his ability to just keep churning out
runs and I guess he was the I guess rock
that everyone else battered around in our innings.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Here, will young wonderful time of it in India. He's
come back, He's slid in for that one game for
Devin Conway and proved that he's definitely a viable bat.
You can't really comment on what happens to the next
tiest because you may or may not be the coach.
Was nice to see will saying yeah, I can actually
open this is okay.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
Absolutely, And look, i mean I've said this many times,
but regardless of whether Will plays or not, he's still
a fine player for us. And that's one of the
things you're always, i think looking at as a selector
is who fits in and wear And we've got a
hell of a lot of respect for Will and the
way he goes about his game. He's certainly going from
strength to strength and that's always encouraging in any players
(07:47):
that you have in your squad. So, yeah, delighted for
Will in the way that he played.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Rotten reve Indra. He's a guy who was going to
be suite something else. I've all seen that showing slight
lapses of concentration throughout the year. I'm presuming that's not
an easy fix, but something he has to work on.
He's got it all there, but every now and then
just blips, doesn't he Yeah, But.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Look, I mean he's twenty four, he's young in the
international game still, but he will keep getting better because
he's a classy person and a classy player, and whilst
he hasn't had perhaps the series that he's wanted, then
we have a lot of trust and a lot of
faith in the way he goes about things, and from
our perspective, I think Rachan's going to be here for
(08:31):
a long long time and will definitely continue to be
a great player and probably a great leader in this
team in the future as well.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
A lot of pressure on you, Gary Steve when it
comes to some players not in great form, but I
believe you've always been very much. It's hard to get
into this team, but it's also hard to get out
because we put a lot of trust in players. Are
you still satisfied with that attitude, that philosophy and what's
happened throughout this season.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
You never select players because you want to get rid
of them at some stage, and so you select the
players that you believe are the best players in the country.
You select them for a reason, and sometimes form can
come and go a little bit, but I think if
you do continue to show that trust and players and
you get the best out of them as well. And look,
(09:18):
there are times that I know that it's that people
want to see change, but I guess that's a decision
for selectors and the captain to make. And trying to
keep the consistency in the team and also consistency in
the dressing room as well, so people are really clear
on what their roles are.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
I'll tell you someone who's been consistent. Tim Salvey bows
out of the Test arena after I don't know how long,
what's sixteen seventeen years? He says goodbye. Suitable way to
send him on his way with a victory at his
home park. He's been. I don't like when they say
a servant to the game because I don't think it
suggests enough. He's been an absolute rock star, isn't he.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
Yeah? Oh, you think Tim came into the team when
he was eighteen or nineteen and a young guy who
I guess had a fantastic start in his first Test
against England as well, and I think since then he's
carved out an amazing career. When you consider the numbers
he's got, he's the only player in the world to
have three hundred Test wickets, two hundred ode eyes in
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one hundred T twenty wickets, So that says something in
itself about his longevity. But I think more than that,
that's what he holds in the dressing room as well.
Like he's a he's a cheeky character, but he always
has put the team first and done his very very
best to get around other players. And I'm sure that's
something that we look back in the future will be
(10:41):
some somewhat of a legacy that he's left and he goes.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Away plainly very happy with what he's achieved. What about
reflections in the sheds afterwards, what was the champagne popping
people having a good old time to celebrate the end
of an era.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean we want, we want to, I guess,
toast him and to being the player of the man
that he's been within this group for for a long
long time. And I mean it's never easy saying to
by to someone, but I mean that always happens you
with any job you're in. I guess you reach the
end of your lifespan. And I think the nice thing
(11:15):
for Tim is he's bowing out on his terms. He's
decided it's the right tent, right time to go for him,
and he will. He will leave the game, I think,
with many magnificent memories, but also some great mates as well.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
You'd say about people making their own decision, knowing when
it's time to step down and time not you would
have been handled with this question constantly. But you've got
a bit of a break now. I think your contract
expires before the next Test series starts and a number
of months time. How much consideration are you giving to
walking away from coaching the Test game because you've got
some one day international still to come.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Yeah, I mean it's something that you do always think about.
And look, I'm sure that my discussions with New Zealand
Cricket will continue in the in the near future. But look,
it's it's nice to get close to Christmas, to have
a little bit of time at home and spend some
time with the family, and that's certainly when you're in
the role for a long time, you certainly cherish those
(12:12):
moments and certainly looking forward to a little bit of
just a bit of downtime before we get into it again.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
And so as far as that's concerned, you're not making
any calls or anything. And tell what, well into twenty
twenty five, you're just going to let it rest.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Yeah, not at the moment, Darcy. I mean, it's the
game's about the players, So first and foremost my job
is to try and prepare the Black players as best
we can, and when we get to that time to
make a decision. Then I'm sure you'll be first to know.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
I'll take you to that one last thing, Gary Stid,
your performance are as a coach, how have you waited
what you've achieved in these three tests series?
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Look, I mean you always want to win every test
that you go into and that's something you're always aspiring
to do. And we weren't quite good enough in the
first two. I mean, we miss some opportunities in that
first test that perhaps win us. That's always disappointing and
you always reflect first yourself and what you could have
done better. And like as a staff, where we're always saying,
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how can we prepare the players for them to be
out there and ready? But ultimately it does rest with
the players to be out there and to play the game,
and that's what the game's about to me. I mean,
as support staff, our job is to support the players
and to help them get ready. So you're always looking
for those little one percenters, I guess, and what you
can do differently and what you can change to get
them ready. But look, the ability and I think one
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of the things for this team that they do so
well is they have shown resilience and they've shown the
ability to bounce back. In my view, they've done that
very very well in this Test match.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Well you're back in control of things early January. But
for the here and now you get to sit back, relax,
not deal with media, not deal with players, actually not
even smell cut grass. Enjoy your holiday, Gary Steven, thanks
very much for all of your help throughout twenty twenty four.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Thanks drcchairs mate, share it from the PLA his names
and sports and men.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Have your say on eighty Sports Talk or on your
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Speaker 2 (14:15):
The understated coach of the black Caps, Gary Stead there
essentially on their's this series to touch on Sauvie and
other bits and bobs as well as to Sauvie, I'd
like to go now, look still be around still, I'm
presuming packed in the One Day International, so I think
T twenty that horse as well and truly bolted. Actually
interesting to see if he does get pecked and if
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he wants to carry on. But at the moment it's
about Tim Sauvie the Test player. Very simple question, wild
and SALVII go down as one of New Zealand's greatest cricketers.
That's across the board, bowling, batting, fielding, one of our
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greatest cricketers. It's a pantheon that is not exactly stuff
with human beings. And when you think of the names,
the names of people that are in that pantheon that
we looked to and will always remember, there are some
heavy heading names there. Does Tim Southey deserve to sit
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there in such company as Sir Richard Hadley came Williamson,
as he will be Martin Crowe probably add a few
more to that as well. Personally are resounding yes. Yes
for the way he bowls, Yes for his longtime partnership,
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that devastating partnership with Trent bolt To, I expect would
also go down similar stature as Tim Soudy great because
of his carcass The bloke very rarely got injured or
had a sick day, did he? His longevity was huge,
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never reached the heights that the seventy seven promised, But
I think that was grossly unfair.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
That's not his business.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
He's a bowler first and foremost, fielded well, great in
the slips, traversed the terror firmal with pace. I think
he is one of our greats, one of our Test
cricket greats. Have you look at ten of them or
eleven of them? He's got to be one, surely your thoughts, Oh,
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eight hundred eighty ten eighty will he go down as
one of our greats? And why do you think that
is the case? And of course, being the contrarian that
producer Andy duff is, he said, and why isn't he
one of our greatest? Why is he not on that list?
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I'll be getting Andy on ere shortly to explain that quip,
but I'd rather hear from you. Oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eight will him go down as one of
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James O'Connor has been playing at the top level of rugby.
As long as Tim Southy has been up at the
top level cricket, they can't be march between it. Surely
both eighteen, weren't they when they represented for the first
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time internationally? Now there are kind of well, O Connor's
not on the way out. He's come to ride in
on a white horse and saved the day for the
crusaders again. A long and impressive career. He joins us
later on in the program, Right here, right now and
taking your calls over one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
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Will Tim Salvey go down as one of New Zealand's
greatest cricketers? I think yes been around for a long
time and maybe in tests over the last year or
so he hasn't been at his greatest, but he's still
been a huge part of the setup of the machinery
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behind that black cap side, and that experience invaluable. I'd
suggest didn't work so well as a captain, but he
recognized that the riding was on the wall, and the
wall got knocked down and when that said I'm out, Tom,
you take it on and look what happened. He's done
everything and cricketers and cricket fans always have memories and
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there'll be plenty from Tim Salvey and what he achieved.
Good Dave.
Speaker 8 (19:23):
Look, look he's going to all service and be there
in the background to help our bowlers. And look we've
got a great essays and want to walk one hundred
and fifty k is an hour, and we've got Mitchell
Saddler going to be going to be the greatest spinner
in the world.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
That might be a bit much, but he's definitely on
the improved it come back.
Speaker 8 (19:46):
But look willow Rock Bowl following at one hundred things,
that's pretty good, isn't well, rook is he's going to develop,
going to be a great bowler and pay some bounce
and the bowl of that. Then I get the Englishman
out like that and it's pretty good. But and Tim Salve,
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you know, passed away with the knowledge onto our cricket
on those test pays great, isn't it. He's given a good,
good service over the years. And yeah, the apal but
then in the background to help our bowlers will come
along as well too as well. You might be given
to the coaching role or something like that. Background, but
he's going to give a good, good service over the years.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Yes, and he's shown the way and you've got to
be impressed by that. Although you were talking Dave about O'Rourke,
the ability to bowl flat out doesn't necessarily mean you're
a good bowler. It just means you can bowl fast,
controls everything. And then when you look at Salvi and
what he provided, the control that he had the knowledge
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of his game, that's what set him above others. The
older you get, the wiser you become, you'd like to
think in most aspects of life. And I think with
Tim Salvee, even though he slowed down significly toward the end,
it was where he bowled and how he bowled, not
the pace at which he bowled, and his ability to
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form that outrageous combination with Trent Bolt, the hunting and packs,
the pair of them. But thanks for your call. If
you'd like to chime and and we'd love to hear
from you. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is going
to go down as one of New Zealand cricket's great cricketers.
I in Test cricket, yes, but then you look right
across take twenty one day internationals. He's got some astonishing
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records in that and even though determining a player's greatness
shouldn't entirely rest on figures, it has a huge part
of that is a part of the equation that figures
you cannot deny. But what he did, as Dave mentioned,
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as far as being a mentor, someone who held the
team together from the inside in his position, I think, yes,
he covered all of that, didn't he.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Tim Yeah, he was.
Speaker 9 (22:13):
I remember back in the day where he was touted
to be an all rounder and obviously that didn't work out.
So we're just talking about his bowling, and then if
you compare his bowling to someone like Bold, I don't
even I don't recall people giving the same credit to Bolt,
and I thought, you know, Bolt was probably the better
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of the two when they combined. But in saying that,
I think Sally is like he's done a remarkable thing
for the game.
Speaker 8 (22:43):
It's a New Zealand.
Speaker 9 (22:44):
I just I just think it's a little bit overblown
to suggest he's, you know, an all timer.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Well, so what what to you denotes an all timer?
What do you look at? We know that like, for example,
off the top of your head, who would be a
couple of three year old timers.
Speaker 9 (23:01):
Well, so to say, I'd say i'd put Saldi on
a similar level as Bold, right, And if we're saying
that Bolts and all timer, then then.
Speaker 10 (23:09):
Maybe that's true.
Speaker 9 (23:10):
So if you're talking about your top ten or twenty,
then then years short. But you know you're Richard had Leezia,
Martin Crows, the tory I think was probably up there.
Stephen Fleming is a captain. Yeah, so sort of those
are the four that would comes immediately to mind. And
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then yeah, he's kind of worked down from there and
eventually you'll obviously get to Saldi.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
But he spread that through though what he did with
in the field, his longevity, the amount of wickets he talk,
the amount of RUMSI scored, his partnership, and I think
you touched the night before, which is key these guys
hunting in packs. And would Trent Bolt have been Trent
Bolt without Tim Saldy at the other end.
Speaker 9 (23:58):
Or the other way around troupe? Yeah, maybe Taylor after that,
Taylor he'll be up there. So yeah, no, I certainly
I'm not doubting his service to New Zealand cricket. And
yeah he is a but if you're just looking at
the he what he as, what his skills did for
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the game for New Zealand, then yeah, he's not.
Speaker 7 (24:24):
In my mind.
Speaker 9 (24:25):
The sort of foremost I guess of of cricketers.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Was his batting something that sound for you, because after
that seventy seven a lot of people thought he is
an all rounder, this is the second coming. But he
never reached those heights again, and there was I thought
that he was a little flipping out in the middle.
He threw his wicket away, he didn't really carry it
with the respect that deserves.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (24:53):
Absolutely, if he turned into it, you know, a half
decent all rounder, then one hundred percent of would change.
Speaker 7 (24:59):
My mind, you know.
Speaker 9 (25:02):
But the the batting offered nothing really at the end, especially.
Speaker 8 (25:07):
Yeah, so that that would have.
Speaker 9 (25:10):
Been especially you know, there would have been so many
games where I can recall an extra at a thirty
from Saudi would have been crucial, and you know it
was instead six and out or something.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
That's a really good point, Tim, and I appreciate for
calling through and offering that up twenty five minutes to eight.
If you'd like to buy on in, please do. I
on one hundred and eighty ten eighty run through a
few texts for you, Saudi will never make the Hall
of Fame. No one is calling because everyone disagrees with you.
Speaker 8 (25:44):
SA.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
There was only ever average on the world stage. He
should have retired three years ago at least. Don't agree.
But that's okay. Three hundred and ninety one Test wickets.
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Three hundred and ninety one Test wickets, that's second behind RJ.
You don't get that by being average and just turning
up right bowling average just on thirty one Dame's Nason
was two hundred and twenty one wickets at thirty three
t twenties, one hundred and sixty four at twenty two.
That dad's impressive and it's his bowling that he remembered for,
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not his ability or in some cases inability with the
willow one hundred eighty ten eighty. Is he gonna go
down with one of our greatest or is he stained
or smudged with the lack of perceived lack of application
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with the willow, which I think is a shame because
he's a bowl at first and foremost. It's not his
job to prop up one ends. It's his job to
take wickets. It's what bowlers do. On ten eighty twenty four,
to eight. James O'Connor still to come, and this guy
said James wants a Super Rugby title on the CV,
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which you won't get playing with the Aussie team unless
of the Crusaders. He has a chance, Thanks Steve, James.
Around the corner is the news Talk's AB somebody sports
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talk on Newstalks AB one hundred eighty ten eighty May
should be judges for his batting when he was a bowler.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
Today, Phil, how are you.
Speaker 10 (27:45):
Very good? Thank you Darcy, and Merry Christmas.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Too, and happy holidays to you, sir.
Speaker 10 (27:50):
Thank you very much. I would next to which athlete
or Daniel Vittory, but rates him very close. The enjoyment
is longevity is hope in across all forms of ticket cricket. Sorry,
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he deserves if there's a Hall of Fame, he deserves
to be in there, to be there whenever it gets
what about.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
As the greatest thing, But he's not, Sir Richard Hadley,
But what he's provided, what he's done for such a
long amount of time is very impressive. I'm glad you agree.
Speaker 10 (28:30):
Thank you. That's That's that's all I wanted to say.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Phil, Thank you for contributing one hundred and eighty ten
eighty would like to make like fil free for number nation.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
Why cray good evening, he dares.
Speaker 7 (28:42):
How are you very well?
Speaker 2 (28:43):
What's on your mind?
Speaker 7 (28:45):
Oh? Just this south East thing? I think you're writer.
I think he'll go downs above the great Having said
that the fathers, I was thinking about this just today.
If I was to make up my greatest News on
test lineup, he wouldn't be in us. I think there'll
better players than a whole other positions. If I made
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my be twenty twenty lineup, he would definitely be there
in it, and I made my one day lineup, he
would be very close. If if he wasn't, then he'd
be very close. So but there's no denying the quality
of the guy. I think that that's pushing it if
you don't, so if.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
You for sleitting a teaste of leaving, if you will
plenty Richard Headley's one of your quicks. There's going to
another couple. Who's the other one? Who are the other ones?
Speaker 7 (29:34):
I would for me, well, I'm thinking about a number
six around as well, such as I'd put Bond on there,
he'd be probably number team and then I'd put my
number six would Oh, that's a trick about either be
maybe Headley or there's.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
No way Soudi's a sex. He shouldn't have even been
an eight. He's a team.
Speaker 7 (29:57):
No, I'm not saying I say Saldi should be in
number six. I said Headley maybe, but I'd probably have
Vitry in a as number six. As you're around it, So.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Your Bond and your Richard Hadley, are you tick quicks?
And then if you're running a third one in there
would be a bowler or someone that can do a
bit of a bit.
Speaker 7 (30:21):
I would probably look as me. I'll probably be more
inclined for the bolt and because he could do was
a better better.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
And that that's interesting, And thanks very much for your call, Craig.
That that is interesting because again predominantly he's a bowler,
but he appears to be tainted with what he did,
or more's the point, what he didn't do with the
Batonder how long that's going to hang over his head for?
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Hopefully not too long. I'll go back to his wicket
tally across all of those games and his average. He
needs to be remembered as a great bowler, not as
a great bowler who could have done better with a bat.
I think it's unfair.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
This.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Texas says Salvey stayed too long and cost us tests
as a consequence, and possibly this test series. This too
has to be filed into the assessment of his legacy
and ranking in New Zealand cricket, a lesson for all.
I don't think you can blame Tim Salvee for being selected, right,
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I mean, if he was the captain and the selector,
maybe he could, but it was he really no, I
don't think so. He was there and the selectors, the coach,
the captain had faith in him to do a job
and they knew historically he could, so I don't put
it on him that he kept getting selected. Yeah, granted
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it would have been a great brave dude to drop
him at the twilight of his career. Maybe that should
have been done, but that's not Tim's call. It's called
the eight. Coming up next on news Talkers, there'd be
James ok the Crusader's potential first five eighth, Formert Wallaby
and joins us to talk about why and what's going
to happen next. How's the training going, James O'Connor, have
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Speaker 1 (32:24):
About to sell you are Cooper Cooper allowed to run
quite Cooper hight By brilliant pick ups Australia.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
He's got great hands, James O'Connor.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
That you're right, that dummy inside he also had Curdie
Beers slid on the inside, held up all the defenders.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
O'Connor was almost on his own.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
He's got great hands, James O'Connor. But it has he
got soft hands. It's one thing you definitely know for
absolute sure when you watch Test cricket is that came
Williamson has soft hands. It's soft hands, binger when you're
sitting in homie, get hammered if you play that. Please
don't anyway, enough of that. Let's move away from cricket
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and go to rugby union. James O'Connor Crusaders, first five eighth,
potentially former Wallaby. Over to the Crusaders, he joins us.
Now James O'Connor, welcome mate. Hey, I'm doing very very well.
What about yourself acclimatizing to the funning games in the
south is and now that you are a Crusader?
Speaker 6 (33:34):
Yeah, indeed i am.
Speaker 11 (33:35):
We've just finished our second last day of preseason.
Speaker 6 (33:39):
So it's been tasty, it's been fast, it's been tough.
Speaker 11 (33:43):
I'm sticking in neck beefing up, so I'm really enjoying it.
Speaker 6 (33:46):
And yeah, they've definitely turned leather on loving that.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
I like that term. I think it might turn up
more often than not in sport commentary. Now tasty, that
sounds good. So James has Rob Penny been thrashing you
guys with a stick? What's the preseason look like compared
to other superclubs you've been involved with?
Speaker 11 (34:04):
Well, I think like to compare it to Australia, we
have a little bit longer preseason, so we're normally running
off like an eight sort of the ten week, whereas
here it's due to the MPC it's a.
Speaker 6 (34:13):
Little bit shorter. But just because it's shorter doesn't mean
it's not as tough.
Speaker 11 (34:16):
We're doing like triple sessions a day and big field
sessions and it's fast, man, the rock speed. I haven't
experienced anything like you do fitness games, but the rock
speed here on fifteen or fifteen is another level.
Speaker 6 (34:29):
So yeah, it's definitely asking a lot of me.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
So you've got a thirty four year old carcass Is
that a bit beat up at the moment, James.
Speaker 11 (34:37):
No, it's actually it's actually feeling good again. I've been
I've been looked after a while. I'm looking after myself. Well,
everything's so close here as well, so I got a
top quality sort of physio staff, the masusas are out,
you know, the gym's all sorted, recovery center.
Speaker 6 (34:55):
So staying on top of everything and yeah, moving moving well.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
And looking to sneer that team jersey. You've been pretty
upfront about that. And when we love a good Australian
front foot attitude, it's fantastic. So you think you're you're
trending toward that. You have an upset too many people
saying I want that jersey, Well.
Speaker 11 (35:14):
I think like everyone wants the jersey they want, Like,
I think that's the reality of the sport. If you're
not going for a jersey, then what's the point of
being in the team. Just going to be a squad
filler and you're not competing, so no one's going to
be getting better.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
Like as much as obviously I want to play talent,
that doesn't mean I'm going to get it.
Speaker 11 (35:30):
You know, Rivers and Taha are playing pretty well at
the moment from what I've seen in the preseason, and
they're like they have good rugby heads on them. So
for from my point of view, I want to be
a part of the team. I want to be a
part of the squad and I have put it out there,
but look, there's a lot of work that needs to
be done before any jerseys are handed out.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
As far as the work you're going to do with
those two youngest guys coming through, is that an exciting
prospect A reason why you join the Crusaders to have
a hand in the in providing some impetus and some
I suppose mentorship for these younger guys.
Speaker 11 (36:05):
Yeah, that was a huge of me coming to the
Crusaders was one again, like we said, that's sort of
the stage of my career I'm in. As much as
I want to be playing, the reality is will I
be able to do that? And a big part of
me coming is I spent a lot of time sort
of this year when I was injured, not so much mentoring,
but I guess sharing my knowledge with the younger tens
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and younger sort of ball players at the Reds and
through sort of Queensland Rugby, and I guess that excites me.
Speaker 6 (36:32):
I enjoy teaching.
Speaker 11 (36:33):
I enjoy sharing the knowledge like I was sort of
given when I moved overseas and when I played with
some of.
Speaker 6 (36:39):
The great players in rugby. So yeah, I've sort of
That's that part of the career I'm in. And I
do want to compete. I want to keep competing. At
the same time, I love like the camaraderie you.
Speaker 11 (36:51):
Build when you you know, you can share knowledge between
each each of the players as well, like the game
continually evolves, so there's parts of the game that I
would see.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
More and how I've played probably you know, I've played
quite a few more games than both of them.
Speaker 11 (37:05):
But at the same time, you know, they're probably more
up to upbeat and they've seen, like the game evolve
in their sort of way too, So I'm learning off
them as well.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Friendships within the team playing the important. You see camaraderie.
Does that challenge make your desire to grab that team
and see it just a wee bit of friction in there, James.
Speaker 11 (37:24):
I said, I don't see it like that, because coaches
pick the teams. So as a player, you can do
or you can to make yourself better. But at the
end of the day, like I'm like, without saying it
too much, I'm here for the experience, and I'm here
like to be a part of a team that's going
to go deep into the finals.
Speaker 6 (37:42):
And I believe I came here for that reason because
I believe.
Speaker 11 (37:45):
In what the Crusaders can do. I believe in this squad,
and I believe in these coaches. So from my point
of view, it'll be pretty telling like who's in what position.
So like that's why I mean, it's exciting for me
because I just genuinely don't know. I know I can
play a certain role and I know what my skill
set is, but at the end of the day as well,
I am finally it is different over here.
Speaker 6 (38:06):
The ball, Like I told you, the looks are different,
the shapes different.
Speaker 11 (38:10):
So I'm just had to enjoying myself, compete, teach a
little bit, learn a little bit, and then just you know,
be with my.
Speaker 6 (38:16):
Feet out as I keep hearing over here, be present
and just enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Being with your feet out. James O'Connor a lot of
work in front of the Crusaders after being pretty much unbeatable,
completely dominant for years and years and years stumbled last season,
didn't get to the playoffs, a huge amount of pressure
on Rob Penny, the coaching staff and the players. It's
part of that encouraging you, was part of that challenge,
something that you really wanted to do at the stage
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in your career.
Speaker 11 (38:43):
Well, I don't think I'd be here if this year
didn't happen, you know that. I think that sort of
opened the door for me to be able to come.
And I have played This is my nineteenth season now,
so I have played quite a bit of Super rugby.
I probably played twelve seasons of Super rugby in my time.
So from that sort of point of view, I do
know the game quite well. I understand it quite well.
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I understand how I guess the Australian teams play and
the Kiwi teams play. So whether that is just sort
of more mentoring role and helping shape the attack and
you know, the game plans week to week, or whether
I'll be involved in helping.
Speaker 6 (39:16):
Run those game plans and you know much of boys
around the field.
Speaker 11 (39:20):
You know, time will tell, but it is it is
very exciting for me and one to just as an
Aussie with Kiwi parents, to be able to take a
peek behind the window and see, you know, a club
that's had so much success and to just be a
part of it and feel it. And you know, I've
got ambitions of doing into coaching, so yeah, I'm really
enjoying it.
Speaker 6 (39:37):
It's it's definitely different.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
So they're aware of that. So they're aware of that
you are going to lean into that coaching side, and
this is part of your signature that you intend to
I suppose start looking toward that. They're all cool with that.
Speaker 6 (39:50):
Do you mean stealing New Zealand's knowledge?
Speaker 2 (39:52):
No, no, no, no about about leaning with Rob Penny
and helping out in a coaching manner.
Speaker 11 (40:00):
Again, it's not like I'm not I'm not coaching here
at like, but at the same time, when you're a
ball player, you're I guess you're helping the coaches deliver
the game plan on the field.
Speaker 6 (40:10):
So I'm the eyes and ears for the coaches out there,
so that will deliver the game plan.
Speaker 11 (40:14):
As much as I'd like to be a part of that,
I don't know what that's going to look like because
we're not at that part of the season.
Speaker 6 (40:19):
But you'll have a game plan you're working.
Speaker 11 (40:20):
Out together, usually with your leadership group or your game callers,
and then our job is sort of tens and ball players,
is to deliver what the coaches have seen and then
adapt it on the gos things aren't working.
Speaker 6 (40:32):
So yeah, I do have.
Speaker 11 (40:33):
I have been coaching for a couple of years now,
at hat lower levels obviously, and I've been I guess running.
Speaker 6 (40:38):
Teams for the last sort of ten years.
Speaker 11 (40:40):
So that was part of the reason to come over
here was me being able to you know, get the
eyes behind that and experience, and also them to be
able to rely on someone who's I guess done it
a few times before as well.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
James, I kind of joining us. You played for the
Wallabies for a number of years. What twenty twenty two
the last time you put on the goal? Do you
harbor any aspirations of doing it again?
Speaker 6 (41:02):
If I got asked, I definitely wouldn't say that excited
that much fun? Uh, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 11 (41:09):
It's always It's always incredible to be able to play
for your country, especially when from my point of view,
I feel like I still have. I didn't give the
best version of myself again.
Speaker 6 (41:19):
Time will tell.
Speaker 11 (41:20):
We'll see how the season goes, how I'm moving, see
how the body's holding up, and then that's all sort
of down the track for me right now is again
bringing it back be with your feeder. I'm just enjoying
my life here, settling into christ Church, learning a good
little water hole.
Speaker 6 (41:36):
You've got to get water every day.
Speaker 11 (41:37):
So finding the lakes, finding the rivers, getting to the beach,
and then just getting stuck into rugby. And yeah, it's fast,
it's tough, it's everything I was expecting, probably more.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
No need for the DMO. We've got the breakdown on
Sports Talk, Cool News Talk.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
James Oh kind of a long time in the seat,
just like Tim South, he's just retired. Great to have
James on the program. Looking forward to speaking with him
more next year with him become the pivot or not
for the Crusader's interesting times ahead. And that's it. Andie Duff,
as always, thanks very much for your encouragement, you love
your support. You're the best producer.
Speaker 8 (42:18):
Good evening.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
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